…..sniper fire in Bosnia lie Thats it, go back years to find a lie she told to make your case that what we need is a bigger liar who is so prodigious at lying that we can always discuss a whopper he told a few days ago.
…..sniper fire in Bosnia lie
Thats it, go back years to find a lie she told to make your case that what we need is a bigger liar who is so prodigious at lying that we can always discuss a whopper he told a few days ago.
Perhaps the main reason that the system is broken is that it is based on a false premise: that treatment fixes broken people. The Globe should use its resources to try and find any successful people who credit their success in life to psychiatry (such a task is naturally more difficult than to find people willing to debit psychiatry for their lives destruction). Surely such a person who has earned a large ego by overcoming such odds would be willing to give credit where credit is due.
does NOT excuse the behavior…….
Perhaps if you had violent neuroleptically induced akathisia you would feel differently. I would never as a juror convict a person of a violent crime if they were suffering from this form of psychiatric malpractice and did not have a violent history. Neroleptics reduce effective IQ to the mental retard range and the akathisia is a form of physical rage. The psychiatrist of the offending person should be sued by the victim for damages.
Psychiatry fails to appreciate how the influence of big pharma has warped their interpretation of scientific data. This suggests that the money big pharma spends lavishing them with gifts, from their perspective, is money well spent.
‘psychiatrists are not actual doctors’, and ‘psychiatry – not real medicine
Real medicine treats injuries and illnesses, psychiatry causes them. Unless and until this changes, real doctors will not be psychiatrists.
Perhaps this effect has to do with the rise of social media. People become unemployable because their mental illness can not be hidden from view anymore. This causes a feedback loop where a person is repeatedly injured by rejection thus aggravating and perpetuating their condition.
Those of us who have been subjected to this kind of rape understand what you feel.
This practice seems like tacit blackmail to all who can’t or won’t pay. A full page ad in the local newspaper warning clients of this tactic would perhaps be able to bring them to their senses as anyone who cares about ethics or privacy can take their business elsewhere.
Psychologist Rep Tim Murphy advocates torture (assisted outpatient treatment). Perhaps there is a lack of ethics that should be addressed in the current culture.
Allowing psychologists to prescribe drugs could be useful in helping wean people off the drugs that psychiatry has physically hooked them on. Most psychiatrists know little about human nature and psychology in general thus there reliance on pharmacology almost exclusively. Those of us with a critical experience with psychiatry come to accept the view that psychiatrists are not real doctors. By allowing psychologists the same rights as psychiatrists in prescribing drugs we can help diminish the prestige of psychiatry and hopefully discourage people from entering into that field.
This is appalling. I went 22 months without taking the prescribed abilify 10 years ago and never lied to the doctor about it: he never asked and I did not volunteer the information. It was only when I was informed that they were going to start requiring that I pay for it that I told him I didn’t need it since I discontinued it so long ago. Had I not been able to free myself from this potent neurotoxin I would have killed myself.
there are all sorts of “disabled” people who literally don’t have “disabilities”
many of those people suffer from social disability i.e. stigma, which renders them unable to overcome the barrier to entry back into the economic system available to those without social ostracism.
I agree with your statement but the ease I mentioned is the same one that most people use to prevent alcoholic seizures: lack of chronic use. To draw a parallel to psychiatric methods, seizures are prevented through the use of more alcohol with all its incidental problems and effects. Total abstinence from neuroleptics is the best solution to prevent the horrific torment that is neuroleptic therapy.
….any deep understanding of the psychic suffering occasioned by severe and enduring psychotic states
What about the severe physical and psychological suffering caused by neuroleptic poisoning? The remedy for this kind of malady is a simple one but because it provides no profit it is seldom used.
Big pharma and their puppets will do anything to prevent an antidepressant drug that actually works and that poor people can grow for free from becoming legal.
If the mental health system were in fact a solution rather than a problem, then this idea could have merit. As long as psychiatry retains and employs the power to destroy lives, this will be a bad idea.
At any rate serious “advocates” should not be dependent on govt. money
Your right. The Republican party is hiring people with mental disturbances ar a record pace. Insane people are being urged to run for congress and the presidency. Why apply for poverty when you can have a suggar daddy buy your way through life?
“would severely disable protection and advocacy organizations from protecting the civil, legal and human rights of people in mental health services”
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me. – Martin Niemöller
It is not ironic that the Nazis started with those labeled mentally ill the same way Murphy seeks to do. All wingnuts like Hitler and Murphy start out sounding reasonable
Assisted outpatient treatment laws are enacted under the false assumption that people with a mental illness which is treated would not choose to commit evil acts unlike people who have no mental illness do. This absurdity, if taken to the next logical step. would say that people with treated mental illness are better neighbors and citizens than those without mental illness. The fact is that social class is the best predictor of potential criminal conduct and society puts the mentally ill at the very bottom of the social-economic strata.
It must be big pharma
This kind of predation on the weak is common in human nature. A person need not be personally weak to stoke the anger of the bullies amongst us. Arbeit macht frei was the taunt of the Nazis against the people who they expelled from college, fired from their jobs in civil service and boycotted their businesses. It was not the fault of the Jew that they were ruined.
People who are unattractive to employers for being older or out of work longer are being discriminated in the market place. This causes psychological damage to them. If there is a genuine desire to help these people it would come in the form of assistance to find work or a better monthly stipend than they get on the dole. Increasing the social stigma they face and using the old conservative taunts against them are unproductive.
Perhaps the most effective argument against Murphy’s bill politically is the economic one: most republicans(Murphy’s political party) don’t like giving out something for nothing i.e. they have been cutting food stamps etc. The cost of some of these drugs is more than the monthly welfare stipend that politicians like Murphy are loath to hand out to destitute people who are unable to overcome stigma in order to reenter the workforce.
They are not stupid in the ability to get good grades in school but in the area of common sense. Like the nerd who gets straight A’s but can’t get a date because he is socially clueless. The link between brain shrinkage and psych drugs was ignored due to what psychologists call cognitive dissonance. To accept that they are shrinking their patients brains to their patients detriment conflicts with the idea of the Hippocratic oath and would make them uncomfortable, therefore their attention is diverted from this idea.
5.8% of people reported having a psychotic experience in their lives.
And that figure is self reporting. Just listening to some political discussions in the media suggests that the actual figure is far higher.
This study confirms what has been my observation about psychiatrists all along: that as a group they tend to be more unbalanced than people of other professions. This helps account for some of their defective reasoning that is so common amongst them.
Most insane people know better than to create murder and mayhem just as most sane people do. His mental illness was incidental to this crime and not the cause. I would find him guilty as charged.
This is a tacit admission that doing so would hurt sales.
I have been trying to generate outrage about the new iteration of the Murphy Bill
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” – Edmund Burke
Thank you for taking action
Watching the videos of him talking stuck me as ironic….I have never heard a shrink talk with the insight and intelligence of this man….and it was shrinks that said that he was crazy.
no, both raised dopamine levels….one as a stimulant and another as a depressant…dopamine gives reward or pleasure….the lack or blockade of it causes despair
Antipsychotics were designed to reverse the effects of stimulants (Dopamine hypothesis of schizophrenia). Prescribing both to the same individual is a tacit admission of fraud.
This solution to the problem would work: give the money spent on “mental health” to the desperate kids with no hope rather to the mental health system. It would cut the suicide rate in half.
Thank you, spell check, for thinking “Abilify” is a misspelling for “ability.”
Strange how a drug that comes with so many side effects that can disable you could be confused with ability. Isn’t it ironic; don’t you think?
As a victim of this potent neurotoxin I can’t even see the irony….Its Orwellian doublespeak evil….thats all
This article does at least acknowledge that it is possible for psychiatry itself to pursue crank remedies for perceived problems. This is a good first step.
Abilify Promotions Are Misleading Physicians and the Public
They always did and only now the FDA is catching on. Perhaps Otsuka tried to cut costs by reducing the amount they were willing to spend on “education”.
Of course these people would have believed that tobacco smoking has a causal effect on psychosis as well because people with psychotic disorders are much more likely to be tobacco users than the public at large.
This is truly frightening. I would not have been able to discontinue the Abilify I was taking without my shrinks knowledge or consent if it was in the injectable form. That was 9 years ago. There was obviously no justification or benefit to its use whatsoever from my health perspective.
Zyklon B was a known carcinogen prior to its widespread use and this fact alone failed to even make a dent in its sales. As long as it is profitable to sell these drugs they will be pushed on unsuspecting dupes.
If only they would counterfeit toxic drugs like Abilify and Resparital, we could show that the recipients of the fake drugs fared better than those given the actual product.
What next? RTPD, Rational Thinking Personality Disorder? What kind of drug would a psychiatrist give to someone who suffers with that?
A neuroleptic drug of course.
Psychiatrists are giving drugs to most people with emotionally unstable personality disorders outside of the best-practice clinical guidelines
Pharmaceutical companies are giving away money to psychiatrists. Perhaps their is a method to their madness.
Please, do not use the term anti-psychotics when referring to neuroleptics….. it suggests that these eliminate something negative…i.e.psychosis….as opposed to what they accomplish…retard all cognitive function.
This effect is the very reason psychiatrists are required to be medical doctors – to be persuasive. As regular visitors to this website know all too well, psychiatry does not actually use medical knowledge in the course of practice. By having the credibility of a medical doctor , they can persuade subjects to consume costly and toxic pharmaceuticals to their detriment.
It sounds like some FDA bureaucrats are reluctant to alienate potential future employers. The system is truly rigged.
If AstraZeneca could find an objective advocate for their neuroleptics at little or no cost then they would do so. Science is unwilling to sell them based on evidence.
Neuroleptics need to be put on schedule 1 in the US as a dangerous drug class with no legitimate medical use with a high potential for abuse (in this case the abuse is by the prescriber)
As long as corruption by the pharmaceutical industry of doctors is legal it will persist. Perhaps a searchable database of each doctor should be made publicly available listing each of the doctors pharmaceutical sponsors with each product of that sponsor. This data can help consumers decide if their physician is a real doctor or just a sales representative.
…..but he has an ideological grudge against psychiatry for whatever reason
No, he is objective about the topic and that is what makes him so effective. Those of us who have been destroyed by psychiatry have the grudge.
Lieberman then compared taking antidepressants to taking insulin for diabetes
The irony is lost on him that psychiatry is a leading cause of diabetes.
I stopped taking Abilify 22 months before I told my shrink. The only reason I brought this fact to his attention was because they were going to start having me pay the $1400 per month for the drug which previously I had gotten from them for free. I told him that I would not be needing it since I stopped it 2 years earlier and he was shocked and asked why I didn’t say anything. I replied that I did complain many times to the previous doctor that I was unable to control my hunger and weight gain and that she would not give me the antidepressant that I begged her for. Since the Abilify made me so sick I couldn’t possible justify taking it. It just shows how clueless these people are that they cant tell the difference between someone taking the drug and not taking it. I would have been much better off stress wise it they had given me the $28,000 to pay my bills rather than giving it to a corrupt pharmaceutical company for a product I had to put in the trash. I have been neuroleptic free now for nine years.
The implications are that trying to keep patients in therapy when the relationship is poor is not appropriate
This suggests that the term “poor compliance” is actually a red flag for a bad therapeutic alliance.
The consequence for the lack of treatment is the same as the consequence for the lack of income. Many businesses have a preference in employment for people without mental health issues and screen out applicants with the telltale gaps in employment history. Since treatment is often accompanied by a disability check to take care of basic expenses, the individual loses the incentive to undertake illegal activities to make ends meet. This is what reduces homelessness and incarceration, not the intoxication with profitable pharmaceuticals.
Antipsychotics work by blocking dopamine where as stimulants work by raising it. One cancels out the other. This is proof that the goal here is to sell more product. The doctors writing these scripts should be investigated for fraud.
This is just common sense. Neuroleptic drugs help give a person insight into mental illness because their effects are so devastating and disabling that a person can’t possibly miss their profound impairment.
…an adverse effect of antidepressant and ADHD stimulant drugs is mania
Thats what happened to me and because its more important to cover up the liability of the malpractice by blaming the victim, I had a course of further malpractice and a ruined medical record. Its too bad that a person can fix their credit report and wipe away blemishes after 7 years but medical records can remain stained for life. Misinformation on a medical record can deny a person proper care in medical situations which can be life threatening.
Electricity passing through the brain cannot be focused like a laser beam, it takes the path of least resistance where ever that may be. Imagine if a brain surgeon did not care where he cut when he opened up a skull. Police officers in the USA are required to be tased before being issued a taser. Were this requirement extended for the practitioners for ECT, you would see the practice abolished.
Lets consider the influence role of big pharma in the scenario listed above:
Client’s parent: Why is my son so paranoid? Why does he just sit in his room all day? Why won’t he do anything?
Psychiatrist: Because he has an illness called schizophrenia.
Parent: How do you know he has this illness?
Psychiatrist: Because he is so paranoid, sits in his room all day, and won’t do anything.
The psychiatrist is now in a position to pitch a profitable neuroleptic drug to correct the “chemical imbalance.
Lets consider the above situation with a professional with an intellectual curiosity who does not receive free gifts from big pharma is not influenced by those who do:
Client’s parent: Why is my son so paranoid? Why does he just sit in his room all day? Why won’t he do anything?
Psychiatrist: He takes Dexedrine for ADHD and this can cause paranoia and possible psychosis. Could he possible now be using methamphetamine?
Parent: He has been taking dexedrine for the last few years without a problem He is so secretive
Psychiatrist: Drugs like this cause a hyper focus and his drug induced paranoia will make him very discreet……
The APA’s Ethical Maneuvers: Making Torture Possible
Rep Tim Murphy is also a psychologist who is an active proponent of torture (assisted outpatient treatment).
…..I realize that some people who are involuntarily hospitalized are terribly traumatized,” adds Miller. “I don’t think psychiatrists see that
Perhaps they don’t but it comes across as that they are indifferent to the suffering they are a party to. If they are in fact blind to this it could be a form of tunnel vision that the pharmaceutical industry has shaped into them in order to focus first on the profitable path to treatment.
It should be clear that the fear of release of this information on the internet does not constitute paranoia but rather a very real possibility. People should consider this very carefully before seeking any mental health care services as the stigma may cause them more distress than any initial complaint to which they consider care for.
Neuroleptics can cause a person to lose their will to live and the corresponding loss of hope that is the result of neuroleptic use probably plays a role in some of these early deaths. The use of these chemicals on people against their will is evil.
Its always nice to hear from a sober doctor who understands science and embraces ethics in practice. Perhaps the best solution to the rampant corruption to the psychiatric profession would be not to just publish the payments from pharmaceutical companies to doctors but to outlaw the bribes altogether.
……primarily because they believe the drugs will help them improve their academic performance
The other reason for this is that amphetamines elevate mood. With the elevated mood comes impaired judgement. This can lead down a dangerous slope and can end up ruining a persons life. It did mine.
….. only medical specialty with an anti-movement
It is the only medical specialty that uses force against those who choose to opt out. People who choose not to have sex are not forced to do so because it may traumatize them. Force is about disrespect, power and control. It devastates the victim emotionally. Evil is as evil does.
The article is correct. Laws that equate psychiatric patients with criminals only serve to further ostracize already fragile people from society.
“…… like giving them pizza or cake”
LOL, thats it….let them eat cake.
Where have we heard this proposed solution before?
“….psychiatrists generally expect to make $250 to $400 per hour for their services”
Thats the point…the expectation and focus is not to help people but to make money.
The increased use of stimulants will increase the misdiagnosis for severe mental illness since stimulants do induce mania, especially if they are mixed with antidepressants. If this happens the victims life will likely be totally ruined.
This is true of psychiatry in general. As long as the focus of psychiatry is on profits and the quickest way to achieve them is through the prescription pad, the status quo will persist. There could however be another reason for this as well. It has been my observation that many psychiatrists themselves seem to be somewhat socially awkward and naive. Its as if they grew up as outsiders to their peer group and developed a curiosity as to why they never fit in and why people think the way they do. The social status of a nerd is a painful one growing up. These kinds of people do well on standardized tests but lack common sense. Unfortunately, one can not produce a book on common sense.
The lack of insight or “street smarts” common among psychiatrists makes them vulnerable to the charms of the slick, socially successful pharmacology sales rep. As long as psychiatry continues to attract the wrong kind of people into its ranks it will not improve.
It is probably due to the fact that the manufacturers of this product can not attribute the growth of male breasts as part of “the illness” that juries have been sympathetic to the victims of this form of damage. Were this true of the other more serious and less cosmetic forms of disfigurement that this defective product induces, the FDA would be required to remove it from the market.
If those who treat the mentally ill would listen to them rather than to those who seek to profit off of their distress, they would have a better grip of the reality of the situation. Treatment with neuroleptics is a devastating and debilitating illness with symptoms of physical and mental illness. As long as a person is treated this way they will not recover. Physicians who prescribe the potent drugs should be required to try them themselves before being able to dispense them…much like police officers being required to be tased before being issued a taser.
People who use neuroleptic drugs are at a much higher risk for hospitalization than are those who smoke marijuana.
Neuroleptic therapy is a severe and disabling illness which would be eradicated if not for the lack of financial incentive to do so.
Religion and psychiatry are innately incompatible since the founders of the religions are by psychiatric definition delusional.
This idea raises the tacit concept of there being two kinds of drug addictions, one good and one bad. Alcohol and illicit drug abuse is considered bad and psychiatric drug addiction is deemed acceptable and is even encouraged for some people. The morality used here is dictated by who is to benefit from addiction. Certainly those forced to endure neuroleptic suffering do not benefit any more than those abusing cocaine do. Both are the cause of functional disability for many people but the fox in this case is guarding the chicken coop.
When greed led many in the medical profession to start writing scripts of opiates on demand for cash, the government stepped in and clamped down on it. Its about time the equally immoral practice of forcing drug addiction on those who know better than to live life in a constant stupor to stop.
Prisons are not allowed in theory to directly torture the inmates. Psych wards have a long proud tradition of violence, whether the brain injuries are produced mechanically (lobotomy), electrically (ECT) or chemically (neuroleptics).
>>Psychiatric Times Still Seeking Suggestions for Broken Mental Health System
The mental health system is not broken as it has never worked in the first place. The notion that it can “fix stupid” and make idiots act in their own best interest is pie in the sky snake oil salesmanship. This is the bill of goods it sells to the public and those of us with the misfortune to have had to be educated on this topic know, its just a profit oriented business that is effectively unregulated.
Here is an example of staff assaulting patients :http://www.naplesnews.com/news/crime/employee-charged-having-sex-mental-patients
The facility mentioned is a for-profit psychiatric hospital where the clientele are typically medicaid and medicare types. In order to profit from these low rates of compensation the facility has to keep its costs low. It would be interesting to note if this sort of predation is more common in the for-profit environment.
One of the greatest deficits in psychiatry besides accountability is common sense. Alcohol use precedes hypo-manic behavior in some people and it is generally recognized as the cause. Few folks who get involved in bar fights or domestic disturbances after drinking are labeled as having bipolar disorder since alcohol effects are so well understood by the public.
If mania is going to be claimed to be a result of a chemical imbalance in the brain, it must be assured that the imbalance is not man made (from drugs). Since antidepressants alter the natural balance in the brain, it can be safe to assume that the negative effects are more than mere coincidence. When mania is the result of psychiatric therapy it needs to be acknowledged as such. Failure to do so damages the individual victim of malpractice and makes psychiatry the danger to the public that it is in its current form.
As many of us who have become knowledgeable in psychiatric practice are well aware, psychiatry has divorced itself from the Hippocratic philosophy of legitimate medical practice. As such, psychiatric prescription powers should be shared with clinical psychologists. This will strengthen the suggestion for the public that what psychiatry does is not real medical doctoring.
….Despite the high prevalence of these agitated and aggressive behaviors, there are currently no treatment options approved by US Food and Drug Administration for this indication.
Agitated and aggressive behaviors are normal human resp0nses to acute mistreatment and disrespect. When people are treated with dignity and understanding they tend to recover. Unfortunately, unless this treatment becomes as profitable as neuroleptic drugs or ECT, it will be passed over for consideration.
New York’s “Mental Hygiene Law” is a form of social eugenics. People on the list are deemed to be too worthless to need to protect themselves. Imagine the psychiatric distress this list will create when hackers publish it online for all to see. The best predictor of violent behaviour is past behaviour, not what some subjective individual projects onto a person hardly know to them. This ultra creepy database should be a lesson to those who consider consulting psychiatry that their status in society will take a huge hit if they put themselves on law enforcement radar by going to a psychiatrist. Innocent people will be accused of crimes as a result of it.
English should have a word that means “on being sane in insane places’ since this effect is seen in the west as well. Psychiatry is philosophy and not science and as such lends itself to subjective error.
Thats the perfect compromise. They i.e.big pharma and their MD salesmen, can make the profits and the consumers can keep their health.
This effect is shown to happen even when the brain itself is not shocked into seizure. Perhaps ECT too is harmful to a persons ability to give informed consent into continuing the procedure.
Since human biology has not changed over this timespan the actual effectiveness of placebo and neuroleptics have not changed either. Only the clinical perceptions have changed. The wishful thinking in the earlier years of the efficacy of neuroleptics has been tempered by the increasing scepticism of researchers doing these studies producing more candid and honest results than in the past.
This suggests that English psychiatry attracts people with sociopathic tendencies. As any rape councillor will admit, rape is an assault of power and control and not sex. Violating people by inducing distress and despair through drugs and disrespect must give these psychiatrists a certain “fix” of joy.
…..Society is more likely to believe the big lies
“The masses indulge in petty falsehoods every day, but it would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths and they are not able to believe in the possibility of such monsterous effrontery … The bigger the lie, therefore, the more likely it is to be believed … Besides, even the most insolent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down.”
– Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf”
…..People are far from straight forward in their dealings with staff.
You have that right. I let my pdoc think I was taking the 20mg of Abilify he was prescribing me for 2 years until I was told that I would need to take up the tab and pay for it myself. This was not an active deception on my part as he never asked me about how the Abilify was working or if we could try reducing the dose. His shock seemed genuine that I threw $28,000 worth of it in the rubbish. That was 7 years ago and I have been neuroleptic free ever since my discontinuation 9 years ago.
Clinicians refer to a patients perception of stigma as paranoia rather than social insight. This leads to the circular reasoning and bad medicine that is so destructive to the injured individual. Insisting that a person take neuroleptics to ward off stigma is applied magical thinking. Only those who are on the drugs are influenced by them, not the folks who reject the mental patient.
This barbaric relic of the Nazi era would make Dr Josef Mengele proud. Like Mengele, its practitioners view the hippocratic oath with the same contempt that they hold their victims in.
This study suggests that the questionnaire was written with the assistance of the pharmaceutical industry.
…for clarification I was being facetious
…..But I’m sure it is in no way influencing how the doctors prescribe or conduct drug trials…
Or drug sales for that matter…LOL
your comment suggests you need one of their products….LOL
It would interesting to know how much of this money trickled down to these doctors needy patients. If pharma freely gave this money to doctors who didn’t earn it then you might see this kind of charitable gift giving to be repeated by these doctors to their needy patients. If trickle down economics is real then you should see it here.
The UK also is a much less violent society with a much lower murder rate than in the US. Perhaps there are lessons to be learned about cause and effect.
The National Institute of Mental Health should look at suicide completion rates of those exposed to the mental health system and those who have no history with it. Perhaps they already know and are unwilling to publish the details for adverse marketing reasons.
This would be a perfect solution to the problem. Imagine having a doctor like Peter Breggin or someone like him who understands theoretical and applied psychiatry rather than an egotistical pill pushing profiteer. The only way to change the status quo is to make it less profitable than patient oriented mental health care.
The doctors pushing profitable drugs on vulnerable people suffer from moral anosognosia: they are doing evil but lack awareness into their own moral bankruptcy.
….Staff say the differences they’ve since seen in their patients have been incredible
If staff were required to get a shot of haldol while in training and before they were permitted to ever administer it…you would see a greater reduction in its use. This kind of requirement does have a precedent…most cops need to be tased before being issued a taser..