Saturday, January 25, 2020

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  • The thing about psychiatry that becomes obvious, if you are caught in the trap, is that the shrinks don’t want to understand the deviant patient. That should explain a lot; because this is a situation of power. The shrink does not want to know why the patient behaved badly. Why not? Because the truth is that we are all connected and that the people in power share some responsibility–whether they admit it or not.

  • Psychiatry specialized in demonizing people who have become scapegoats. Life is complicated; but psychiatry over-simplifies it and pretends that everything is black and white. It is not–there is a lot more gray than psychiatry recognizes.

    That is why restorative justice is necessary. There has to be dialogue that will bridge the generation gaps. There must be dialogue to get us out of the scapegoating business. There must be dialogue to remind us that we began as united families–and it is institutional psychiatry that is tearing us apart.

  • Anti authoritarians are against gas lighting. We are against scapegoating. We are against torture. We are for restorative justice.

    Authoritarians rely on gas lighting. They love scapegoating and torture. They are against restorative justice; because they know that social problems are a lot more complicated than the simple, false narratives that they want you to believe.

  • It might be helpful to recognize what the confused teenager is up against. Who are the authoritarians? Well, it starts with the family. Then it progresses to the community and to the schools. So that is an overwhelming group of people that form alliances against him.

    The confused teenager knows something is not right; but he cannot fathom the extent of the conspiracy. He resists as much as he can; and yet he is basically a conformist in most situations because that is how he grew up–everyone he knew was a conformist.

  • Finally, Julie Greene spoke to me when she talked about the way mental health professionals purposely made her feel bad. This is gas-lighting that is all too common; and when people are already down, it can be paralyzing to self-esteem. It is spellbinding that is similar to the cults; because you don’t know how to move forward. The only answer is to move away from the oppressors –or stop going to appointments that are self-destructive– who are talking down to you; but it may take years for the patient to realize this.

  • Frank,
    Do you consider yourself a “trash” person? Let me answer that for you. No; so can we move forward and talk about social justice and restorative justice? Cards to me are like the bread of shame that Alex was talking about. It is intentionally marginalizing; and people on both sides know it.

  • Yes, after I got out of the bin in 2012, my NAMI mom gave me her NAMI magazines which were so condescending and demonizing of the so called “patients”. What kind of trap was I caught up in? NAMI’s propaganda threw cold water on my old idea that psychiatry was a legitimate branch of medical science. I began to wake up and realize that I was a scapegoat.

  • Obviously, politics is part of the equation too. There must be recognition of social factors including TBI cover-ups,gas-lighting, framing/entrapment, conspiracies, etc.

    When a scapegoat becomes a political target; there are bandwagons that many, many people jump on and take out their frustrations on that scapegoat. It is a sport that brings out the worst in people.

    MIA readers who understand that psychiatry is a fraudulent business must advocate for restorative justice for psych scapegoats. Restorative justice is healing that is badly needed in this society that depends far too much on punishment and throwing away keys to truth and justice.

  • The whole reason for psychiatry in the first place was specifically to cast aside people who bothered others.
    Let’s start talking about the truth regarding psychiatry. Then we must talk about restorative justice.

  • I am still beyond belief that this is happening. I thought that open dialogue was what the writers on MIA specialized in. I need restorative justice. I need open communication. Psychiatry is still on the wrong side of history because it is covering up my mom’s negligent behavior. I was brain-injured in 1966; and she was negligent. She covered that up; and then she actually had the nerve to blame the accident on me. This is crucial information that is being covered up in order to put forward a false narrative about me–it is a political scapegoating narrative that is simply not true.

  • One person is golden because she recognizes humanity that is locked up and stigmatized. However, I think she is very careful not to identify too closely with those people–especially the ones who have been condemned.

    She is doing a political dance. She is saying in effect: I am free now/ I got my freedom. It must be lousy to be stuck in there. She is not saying: we are all human and we all make human mistakes. At least I don’t hear that.

  • The phrase is:
    If you can’t beat them, join them.

    That is what is corrupt about the peer movement; and it turns psych survivors against each other.
    That is what is happening; and it happens over and over.

    I notice that there is little to no mention of the dehumanizing labels in this article, which I think the author was given. It would be refreshing if the author could look at her situation from a Mad Pride perspective, instead of as an altruistic giving perspective.

    Then there would be less of the stigma by the people who are left out.

  • There is a very obvious divide here. There are people who are/were Mad but are finding acceptance in society, partly by “giving”. Then there are the Mad people who are condemned, who are not accepted back into society. This is also part of the dilemma of the “peer” movement–is it selling out?

    It is pretty obvious that there is “giving bread of shame”; and that itself is shameful, in my opinion. What Alex wrote did sound like the truth on that subject.

  • Another thing about Julie that I think about is a sense of shame for not believing in herself more than she did early in her life. Perhaps I am reading too much into what she wrote, but I know it is true for me. She seemed to be telling readers: believe in yourself strongly so that you won’t be taken for a fool by the cults or by the shrinks.

    She had tried very hard to trust those fraudulent “doctors” and she paid the price when her kidneys shut down. Learn from her; and believe in yourself. You can heal yourself without drugs. She knew this in the end; and she knew that the drugs had been causing her constant suffering in the last years of her life.

    I am skeptical of all of the so-called mental health “categories”. However, when a person goes to a doctor or therapist and they are in distress, the professional has got to be honest. I think it could have been a lot different for Julie if her professional simply told her the truth–that they just did not have much or any experience with EDs. Then, probably, Julie would have taken more responsibility for her own situation.

  • I agree with Vanilla that MIA should do more to recognize Julie’s suffering. She was so angry, because the so-called “professionals” had no idea how to help her with ED. That is what generally happens in psychiatry. A person goes for help in a state of distress; but finds out that the “helpers” are not actively caring about the people who seek help. How confusing and disappointing is that?

    And so begins a bad situation that drags on as long as the patient or insurance can afford to pay the bills. And of course, there are the drugs, which are disabling and addictive. What a waste. Of course Julie was angry. All of us should be angry.

    I felt affinity with Julie mostly because I was duped by a cultish religious group, as she was. This was the first duping / gas lighting before the major gas lighting by psychiatry. I think Julie was pretty accurate in
    recognizing how similar a cult is compared to the cult of psychiatry. There is peer pressure to do what the group wants you to do–even though, if you stepped back at the time, you would have seen it as a hoax.

  • Wow Frank,
    That is obviously not helpful. I think that this needs to be put in some perspective. First there was an accident in 1966, in which my mom was negligent in my TBI. Then there were years of slow learning as a result of the TBI. Also there was gas-lighting in which she blamed me for her own negligence, including calling me demeaning names for years. Then there was bad teenage behavior in 1981 as a result of teen angst, as a result of the gas-lighting. That is when I became a target–and yet it took me decades to understand that I was a target of a political scapegoating campaign. It was only in the last few years that I have realized that a conspiracy was formed in the 1980s and that was the decade I became a target. I never intended to become a target.

  • Not a Happy new year. Why not? Because the home invasion and torture continue. Because the PR campaign against scapegoats is intensifying. Because psychiatry is as powerful as ever as a propaganda tool.

    I am still fighting for restorative justice. I am still resisting the torture and the conspiracy against me. I am still finding allies in the Hong Kong struggle for justice and freedom against state sponsored police brutality
    and surveillance.

  • The reason that anti-authoritarians are diagnosed as mentally ill is that everything is basically a political struggle; and the powers that be recognize this and are willing to use the pretext of “mental illness” to silence,
    torture and harass individuals that they see as dangerous to their status quo.

    If the powers that be were a little more forward looking, then they would see that the criminal justice system is broken. They would see a system based on vendettas. It is a system that is extremely vindictive and draconian. It is a system that is the polar opposite of what is needed: restorative justice.

    It is a system that actively divides families. It is a system that will go so far as to invade homes and torture individuals in their homes for years, night after night. I am not making this up–I am living this situation; and it is an assault on human rights.

  • Generational Trauma must be recognized and it must end. Stop perpetuating punishment. Restore justice.
    Open Dialogue.

    I forgot to mention that my son Eric was tricked into taking a dangerous acne medicine, Acutane for years. I
    believe that this drug damaged his critical thinking as well as his immune system and digestive system.

    He is being targeted just as I am being targeted. Stop this inhumane, draconian punishment. Stop using
    “medicine” to punish innocent people. I have no more words to describe how wrong this is.

  • Furthermore, I have reason to believe that the people who are out to punish me are also punishing my son.
    It is not obvious punishment; but indirect punishment. He is in a fraternity at Ohio state and his so-called “brothers” have been encouraging him to do dangerous behavior.

    This includes vaping, which is very dangerous, especially since my son Eric had very bad asthma as a boy. He is 21 now; but all of his terrible wheezing symptoms have returned as a result of e cigarette vaping.

    Needless to say, the lack of media attention to the vaping crises has been abysmal; and far too many people are suffering as a result. People are going to the emergency room and dying as a result of very little media warning about the dangers of vaping.

    The other dangerous behavior at the fraternity is the roller coaster of too much coffee, too much beer, and not getting enough rest. When he does visit home, he is always exhausted.

    I want to take care of myself and my family. I want restorative justice. I want open dialogue. Please do not punish my son in order to punish me.

  • I think there has to be some awareness, also, that political scapegoats are trapped. They can be physically tortured in their own homes. They can be psychologically tortured by constant surveillance. There is no exit, and there is no justice.

    I am not waking up at 1:30 in the morning because I want to. I am being woken up because I am being tortured. This is outrageous; and it has been going on since January, 2012.

  • Another of my favorite signs that I have been holding up in protest is:


    I know it sounds like be true to your school. That is on purpose; and I do believe in loyalty to your school.
    However, I believe that my story is much more complicated.

    I was run over by a car in my driveway in 1966; and my mom was negligent in that accident. I was her trauma victim. Furthermore, she gaslighted me by calling me demeaning names throughout my childhood: Bonzert, Cakey, and Poosey. She also told me that I was ambidextrous (Big lie #1) when I asked her why I throw right handed but write left handed (I asked when I was about ten or eleven years old, around 1975 or 1976).

    Also, she made me write in my fifth grade autobiography that the 1966 accident had been my own fault (Big lie #2). I dutifully (and foolishly) wrote down what she told me–even though I knew it didn’t sound right. I was too astonished to question her like I should have. She was gas-lighting me, and I was dumbfounded.

    So I think about all of this when I hold up the sign.

    I also think about the fact that my parents used my school to gang up on me and to humiliate me. It is still happening today, although now it is just the whole community–not just one school. In other words, it is worse than ever today.

    So my objective in carrying that sign is to say, Hey wait a minute. I am a victim of TBI first. I am also a victim of gas-lighting.

    Thirdly, I am a victim of a very unfair political conspiracy that my parents have used to clear themselves of REAL Negligence. In other words they have changed the subject.


    If people just become more aware that the labels are just one part of a dehumanizing process, then they may realize that this is about SLANDER. It is a systematic Negative PR Campaign; and it has been proven to work, unfortunately. The powers that be are following a script to discredit and torture individuals that they find to be
    irritating. In other words, people who are speaking TRUTH TO POWER.

  • What is dark and darkest is that psychiatry continues to follow the script that targets victims. TBI survivors are often victims of parental negligence.

    Psychiatry is more than willing to create a political narrative that is fiction–and yet, that narrative can never be questioned. Why not? Because the double victim (first from TBI, second from the insults of the DSM) has fallen down the psychiatry rabbit hole, in which he loses all of his civil rights.

    The victim also finds himself surrounded by people who find it in their economic, politcal and social interest to maintain that false political narrative. Even when the victim reaches out to people that he thinks should be his allies, he is disappointed to find out that the conspiracy against him is everywhere.

  • My favorite protest sign on Thursday was “STOP POLICE BRUTALITY/ STOP POLICE TORTURE”.

    It is still unbelievable (but now obvious) that the police have always known that my house was invaded and I have been tortured nightly since January, 2012.

    There must be restorative justice. There must be a pathway for individuals who have been run over in the driveway and gas-lighted about the 1966 accident.

  • Out-of-control government torture is what is truly dark and darkest. The reality check should be that psychiatry and the government are linked at the hip. The reality check needs to be the realization that we have out-of-control punishment for 1981 juvenile behavior that never should have become politicized.

    The reality check is that we have to have open dialogue and restorative justice; or else
    the issues will never be resolved.

  • This is not something that I want to be doing (protesting at my last surviving parent’s place); but I feel like I have no choice.

    My mom clearly knows that I am being tortured in my house every night since January, 2012. She is fine with that. Also, she very deliberately made sure that I got a DSM label (also in January, 2012) that would make her negligence in the 1966 driveway accident become overshadowed.

    I am protesting because I believe that I deserve restorative justice.

  • MIA readers should know that slander is often used to change the narrative. Negligent parents can pretend that they were never negligent when their brain-injured children get an SMI label. (And By the Way: notice who is the eager person driving the future SMI label victim to the shiny new looney bin get his phony diagnosis: the negligent parent). This is Public relations–not medicine.

    This happened to me in January, 2012. And the shiny bin is the Lindner Center of Hope, which is a misnomer to me.

  • The parent may see the child as an embarrassment — that may be true–but only because the parent was negligent in a totally avoidable TBI accident in 1966.

    The parent should be embarrassed, because the parent failed to do their job–protect the child from the car in the driveway at 8550 Keller Road; Cincinnati, OH 45243.

    The brain-injured, surviving child is a constant reminder to the negligent parent (Treon McGuire Christine) that the parent made a bad mistake.

  • When I say “people like you”, I am thinking of my mom, who was a social worker. It was and is ironic to me that she was more than willing to let me suffer alone after bad behavior in 1981. It is disappointing that social workers and others do not try to heal social wounds–but instead, make them worse in order to punish a scapegoat.

    Why was it so easy for her to do that? Because she was negligent in the driveway accident in 1966; and to make me a scapegoat in the 1980s might turn the attention away from her own negligence in 1966.

  • The author seems to delight in confounding people who have fallen into the trap. He won’t respond to any calls for dialogue; and he doesn’t admit that No Dialogue is a huge part of the problem.

    If brain-injured, gas-lighted individuals were allowed to have restorative justice, then all of the torture and lying would be unnecessary. The same people who were negligent in the brain injuries and gas-lighting are the ones who insist on no dialogue. Why? Because they were negligent in the first place (and they are still negligent). They simply will not admit that they were at fault.

  • Recognize that both parties (the family and the complicit psych system) may embrace a false narrative in order to gain public support for their Public relations/oppression campaign against the scapegoat.

    The scapegoat never is given a fair chance to refute that false narrative.

    Part of the oppression campaign includes nightly home invasion and torture. This has been happening since January, 2012.

  • Please acknowledge that there are probably thousands of people with TBIs that are being scapegoated by psychiatry. Recognize that TBIs are real traumatic injuries–unlike the DSM book of insults. Recognize that many TBI survivors are gas-lighted by the family in order to maintain their standing (power) in the community.

    Recognize that family often turns to psychiatry to formally disown their children in order to complete the power play of scapegoating. Psychiatry is only too willing to conspire with negligent families, because there is money to be made and power to be gained.

  • It is bad enough that the Thought Police do exist. The worst part of it is that they make false assumptions.

    Once they have wrongly decided that you have made an illegal thought, then they can make your life a living hell. Furthermore, they can and do punish you by going after your spouse and children in order to alienate you even more.

    This is un-American and a violation of civil rights (and that is an understatement).

  • When authority figures including police, doctors, lawyers, etc. lie over and over to TBI survivors, then the system is broken. When they only want to use you for political purposes, then the system is broken.

    When it becomes obvious that your occupation has become “political scapegoat”, then the system is broken.

    When you know that you can still contribute to society, but the only response you get is ridicule and charades; then the system is broken.

  • I should say: Traumatic Brain Injuries associated with Psych diagnoses.

    The two go together more often than people acknowledge. I think it is just another example of the
    scapegoating of the individual. There is almost always more to the story if society wants to know the truth.
    One is an actual injury; while the diagnoses are scapegoating tools.

  • This is what they mean when they say “adding insult to injury.” The first problem is the very real TBI injury.

    The second problem is the insult, that is the phony DSM labels that are put on the victim, often after bad behavior that often occurs because the first problem– trauma–was avoided by the parents and the community.

  • When communities go to great lengths to play charades in order to isolate and ostracize their scapegoat, then democracy is in trouble. How about restorative justice? How about open dialogue? These are progressive ideas that can actually bring about resolution and healing.

    How about recognizing that their was harm done to a person who was run over in the driveway in 1966? How about admitting that parental gas-lighting is damaging to a child?

    How about admitting that lying to a child about a brain-injury is damaging as well? (or that never even discussing a brain injury that occurred is damaging to that child?).

  • Euthanasia is a misnomer for what psychiatry does to people; because I seriously do not believe that death by drugging is painless. It is torture, in my opinion. Also, there does seem to be a targeting of young people; so I might call it Youth-anasia.

    Stop scapegoating bad juvenile behavior. How about trying to understand why the young person did it in the first place? Are the people in power too scared to find out that the parents own behavior (or negligence) might have something to do with it?

  • MIA would be doing a better service if it explained more about the conflict between civil rights (especially for juvenile bad behavior) and community scapegoating/ conspiracies. There is a larger perspective of this political situation that needs discussion. It is not just about phony “diagnoses” and torturous “treatments.”
    It is about political narratives that are imposed on people who do not deserve it. It is about assumptions that are not true. And, finally, it is about shutting down people’s voices. It is about fascism.

  • I appreciate MIA. However, I think there are more than a few inconsistencies. I am talking about picking and choosing which lies to confront and which to leave alone. Yes, MIA is pretty good at attacking the “medical model”; and telling most of the truth behind the phony labels.

    However, there doesn’t seem to be enough examination about why families scapegoat their children. Even MIA is prone to joining bandwagons that are promoting false narratives.

  • To borrow words from the debate last night, in order to describe what is happening every night, it is “state sponsored crime” for someone to invade my home and torture me. This has been going on every night since January, 2012.

    “Cruel and unusual punishment” seems like an understatement to describe this. Draconian is a little better.
    It does seem like something from the 17th century. It certainly feels like vindictive scapegoating to say the least.

    I am outraged by the criminal justice system’s behavior. Obviously there are a lot of people who are willing to join a mob in order to punish someone. However, this is mob behavior; and there must be consideration for civil rights and restorative justice.

    Obviously, a lot of people have suffered by the legal actions of our system. I know I am not alone in feeling
    stunned at the cruelty of our system.

  • Speaking about behavior, I should elaborate. People who have been scapegoated know that childhood trauma probably had a lot to do with their own bad juvenile behavior. Oftentimes, the trauma was a direct result of parental negligence. It was for me.

    As a parent, being responsible for your own negligence might mean taking your child who has been run over in the driveway to the doctor to have his injured skull examined. Don’t be surprised if the doctor tells you your child suffered a Traumatic Brain Injury, (because you the parent were negligent). If this indeed happened, my parents never told me.

    You the parent know there was a lot of blood and his skull was cracked in several places. Eventually, as the child grows up it would be responsible behavior for the parent to tell the truth to the child about the accident.

    Don’t tell the child he is ambidextrous when he asks you why he throws a ball right handed but writes left handed. (This happened to me). Tell him the truth: that he was brain injured in 1966 and you the parent were at fault. This would be a very good time to apologize to the child.

    Also, don’t tell the child that the accident was his own fault when he writes his fifth grade autobiography (This happened to me). This is a flat out lie. Tell him the truth that the accident was your fault because the child was only 18 months old when he got run over.

  • I have been reading the Don Weitz book, and I must say that he is a hero to marginalized people everywhere. He speaks truth to power; and power is what psychiatry is all about. Don’t pretend there is an “illness.” This is about how we perceive people who have been down and out; and how we mistreat them over and over in order push them aside and forget them. Where is our humanity? Where is our restorative justice? Where is our forgiveness and understanding? They are hard to find, except in Don’s writing.

  • I challenge my extended family to get out of the punishment / scapegoating business. I challenge them to embrace the healing of restorative justice. I would also call for them to embrace the movement for slavery reparations that is clearly needed for national healing for this divided country. I know that it is the right thing to do and it is necessary to begin to start anew for families living in the aftermath of slavery. This is still extremely painful for the nation to even talk about; but once the process begins, then healing can begin. I think there will be a bright future and that reparations are necessary and overdue.

    The truth is that I have no contact with my extended family. I would like to re-establish contact with them.
    I know that my stupid behavior in 1981 caused a lot of pain, and I am sorry for causing that pain. I think restorative justice would help to heal that pain. I think there is a lot of confusion that is only amplified by not talking or holding any dialogue. I am trying to do the right thing. I am trying to turn a bad situation into a better one. Torturing my body and my mind is not the right thing to do. I know that the whole
    family needs healing and I want to be a part that healing.

  • When there is no debate, of course people get frustrated. Meanwhile, there is home invasion and torture every night since January,2012. What to do? I know that I am not alone in being a political scapegoat. I know that other people are aware that forensic psychiatry is playing very loosely with politics and law. People know that scapegoats get shafted and negligent people walk away freely. People know that the system is rigged and that even TBI victims who get run over in the driveway can be gas-lighted and framed in order to protect those negligent parents.

  • Psychiatry has “the power to control people who bother us in our midst”. Wow, isn’t that a broad and open-ended category. Isn’t that leaving the door wide open for fascism? Who gets to decide who is bothering “us”.
    How might this vague definition be abused? Countless ways, for sure.

    Isn’t it conceivable that the people who are being incarcerated, drugged, abused, etc. have found their abusers to be “people who bother us in our midst”? Isn’t this all open to perception of people in power vs. people not in power? This seems like a 17th century political discussion.

  • In the interview Dr. Cohen does something that seems contradictory. He seems to want to have his cake and eat it too. He rejects the bio medical model, and yet he still seems to be fine with the role of psychiatry to scapegoat people. OK, I don’t think he says “scapegoat” specifically, but I think it is implied. He does not seem to explore, or even consider, restorative justice. Why not?

    He does talk about coercion and says he thinks it is necessary. I find this very disappointing; but I also think about Dr. Caplan’s article defining words. Does “coercion” always mean forced drugging? Perhaps it may mean forced prison only? Perhaps smart prisoners can pretend to take their drugs like the “doctors” pretend to “care” for them.

    To me “coercion” always implies some kind of trickery, so that the victim is blindsided by a decision that is beyond his control. This is what is most frightening about “coercion” to me. Dr. Cohen does not define his terms; and that makes his comments somewhat vague and confusing.

    Dr. Cohen describes himself as someone who has rescued many people from forced drugging in Canada. But now, he seems to be arguing for forced drugging. Isn’t that contradictory? He seems to see both sides of the argument; but he choses now, in middle age, to side with the powers that be.

    Perhaps, decades ago, Dr. Cohen was more aware of the scapegoat’s unfair struggles. Perhaps he was also more aware then how political and arbitrary the decisions to torture people can be.

    As I have mentioned before, I would really like to see the numbers of people in the U.S, Canada, and elsewhere where people are force drugged. It is scary as hell; and yet it is so difficult to know how many people are suffering in this inhumane way.

    People should be outraged that this is happening; and yet it seems to operate so secretly, that most people are not even aware of this torture. Where is this information? The people who have it are not sharing it.

  • I don’t think fascism can be so easily justified. I don’t think it is a necessary evil–it is just evil. I would really like to discuss the possibilities of restorative justice with Dr. Cohen and/or others. I don’t think it is a “cop out”; and I would argue that the system as it is, is not working (except for the drug companies, the private prisons, and the psychiatrists who insist on telling lies every day).