Dr. McLaren: In your comment here, what do you mean by “a mechanism for integration”? Can you define that and give some examples? In this interview, I really like most of what you say and also I agree with things like how the biological model does not make any sense at all and that psychologically people get caught up in self-sustaining loops. I also agree that medical students are brainwashed, etc., which is such an unfortunate situation. But to make progress, instead of completely denying the biopsychosocial model, what we need to do is to carefully examine what exactly is meant by biological, social and psychological factors in the biopsychosocial model (i.e., define them, etc., and see how they influence each other). For example, studies show that psychological factors (e.g. getting caught up in self-sustaining loops, which is about getting caught up in rumination, worries, etc.), brings about changes in body physiology as well as changes in the brain and these changes reverse when these psychological issues are addressed etc – this is even evident in animal studies. There is much more I can write about, and as I see it, clearly understanding these types things can take us a long way in understanding broader mental health issues.