Thursday, February 22, 2018

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  • I am not sure we should be blaming the mental health system, I think a better approach would be to directly blame the individuals who are abusing people and hold them accountable. I was threatened with an assault and injection when I refused an overdose of their lobotomy pills.

    Lucky for them they never assaulted and injected me cause after it was all over if the legal system did not give me justice I would have got justice myself with a baseball bat breaking some knee caps as they walked to their cars after “work” in that hell hole posing as a hospital.

    The mental health system did not abuse me, a few people “working” in that hell hole did.

    Some people will say they are “just doing their jobs” often known as the Nuremberg defense, lawful orders or by the German phrase Befehl ist Befehl “an order is an order”… Its not a legitimate excuse.

  • In my years in recovery from alcohol and Rx drugs going to AA and volunteering at a treatment center I have heard 100s of stories from completely normal people who did absolutely crazy S wile on benzos including bank robbery in that memory blacked out state. I believe that benzo induced insanity is what allowed this to happen. This guy likely had troubles and even thoughts of mass murder but in my option it was benzo insanity that lead to or “allowed” him to carry it out. It had to be.

  • In 2001, historian Roger Ekirch of Virginia Tech published a seminal paper, drawn from 16 years of research, revealing a wealth of historical evidence that humans used to sleep in two distinct chunks.

    His book At Day’s Close: Night in Times Past, published four years later, unearths more than 500 references to a segmented sleeping pattern – in diaries, court records, medical books and literature, from Homer’s Odyssey to an anthropological account of modern tribes in Nigeria
    Read more

  • People are almost twice as likely to be taking antidepressants or other psychotropic medication just before getting a divorce.

    Citalopram is the divorce drug

    “The Unrecognized Marriage-Killing Effects of SSRI Antidepressants

    In this paper, I will identify the three primary neural systems involved in mating and reproduction: the sex drive, romantic love, and attachment; I will discuss the effects of general and SSRI antidepressants on the neural systems; and finally, I will demonstrate how SSRI antidepressants may be an unrecognized and leading cause of infidelity, resulting in an increased divorce rate. ”

    Antidepressants May Thwart Quest for True Love

    I though of the idea that the mass drugging of the population with drugs that cause sexual dysfunction was increasing divorce rate, then I found this stuff online so I was not the first.

  • “Have you ever wondered if all those people you see staring intently at their smartphones — nearly everywhere, and at all times — are addicted to them? According to a former Google product manager you are about to hear from, Silicon Valley is engineering your phone, apps and social media to get you hooked. He is one of the few tech insiders to publicly acknowledge that the companies responsible for programming your phones are working hard to get you and your family to feel the need to check in constantly. Some programmers call it “brain hacking” and the tech world would probably prefer you didn’t hear about it.”

  • Dropping the Abilify Chip pill into Acidic warm water should fool this system into thinking the victim ingested it as long as it is kept near the receiver.

    How could this system tell if the pill is in a persons stomach or some 98 degree acidic liquid in a cup or even there own stomach contents they vomited up kept warm and dropped the pill into ?

    “A new chapter in human darkness has descended” Well said.

  • Trump

    “We must embrace new and effective job-training approaches, including online courses, high school curriculums, and private-sector investment that prepare people for trade, manufacturing, technology, and other really well-paying jobs and careers. These kinds of options can be a positive alternative to a four-year degree. So many people go to college, four years, they don’t like it, they’re not necessarily good at it, but they’re good at other things, like fixing engines and building things. I see it all the time, and I’ve seen it — when I went to school, I saw it. I sat next to people that weren’t necessarily good students but they could take an engine apart blindfolded.”

    I am watching the news and next thing they might talk about is our “broken education system”.

    Meanwhile I can learn about anything in the world right now by typing it into search on the upper right side of my screen.

    What would I like to learn today ? How about how to build a rocket and land on the moon.

    About 9,230,000 results (0.80 seconds)

    Education system is not broken, the internet is the most amazing education system ever built. And ADHD is a huge crock they WANT the population stupid. Its functioning just as they designed it too.

    I am accused of so called ADHD and I was always smarter then most of my teachers. Lucky I am old enough to got out of school before the mass drugging began.

    Amphetamines work, get high study and ace the test but you don’t retain all that detail you “mastered” studying high. Short term memory retainment boost. Its fake.

  • A little off topic alot went down I am drinking beer again and happier being away from those AA nuts in my town. Ok I lost the who can be sober longer game, I always do but I am more of a winner in 1000 more things then 85% of the people at the 8 pm dip shit show at the 8pm AA in my town.

    What if I go to the 8pm AA meeting and tell them I am happier drinking a few beers at night then being around you crazy dipshits and inspire one of them to go get some beer and they die somehow die, will I be guilty of manslaughter like Michelle Carter ?

  • I should stay out of Michelle Carter story cause I have not studied the story but seems to me that dude was using suicide threats to manipulate that girl and she said just go do it.

    Like that opiate addict couple from AA that was manipulating me for money, like stalkers, money they ‘need’ to get better and stay afloat, rent money and suboxone, then buying crack and dope with it instead.

    F off already go shoot up a big bag try not to die I guess and leave me the hell alone.

    Am I guilty of something if they OD ? Go shoot a fat bag and leave me alone. Get real real high and have fun doing it.

  • 1. The Industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race. They have greatly increased the life-expectancy of those of us who live in “advanced” countries, but they have destabilized society, have made life unfulfilling, have subjected human beings to indignities…

    Text of Unabomber Manifesto

    This article just reminded me of the unibomber writings.

  • All I know is alcoholics anonymous has become drugs anonymous because the psychiatric industry funneling everyone into AA.

    Alcohol is different then doing drugs so go to NA.

    Done with AA for a wile after encountering these toxic stalkers after my wallet all the time for their effing dope habit. Our rent and our problems. Help us help us … We are trying to stay sober… F off. Stay away and don’t call me or I will hurt you (again). They got the message.

    Mistake my kindness for weakness, big mistake.

  • I forgot the password to that e-mail years ago.

    What did I misrepresent or misinterpret ? Thought this was a public forum and we discuss things.

    You might have the the ability to not allow “misrepresentations” here on this article or website but as long as you are making threats at me I must remind you you have no power over what I can write on the rest of the internet. And since I am not a representative in any way of the We-Bad that makes misrepresentation impossible.

    I am going to make a new e-mail for this account out of curiosity of what was sent but it still seems if my thoughts about this are “misrepresentations” simply pushing the reply button and explaining how things really are is a real easy task.

    Why cant someone just explain how it is not AstroTurf or point or post me a link to a page explaining all this ? Thats it what I have been after the whole time.

  • Of course I don’t know for certain what that sentence about refills actually entails. It was designed as deceptive vagueness because they knew if they explained it too many people wouldn’t like it.

    What doctor would write a 10 day supply with 3 refills instead of 1 Rx for 30 days ? Why would they possibly do that ? You really don’t need to be that smart to see they are attempting to ban small prescriptions.

  • “Written prescriptions for less than a 10-day supply will not be refilled.”

    They think that one size fits all work will work for everyone, I bet it works so well for many they end up in the ER after their doctor doesn’t answer and they get that message call 911 or go to the ER.

    And like I said already then the ER gives them Haldol for anxiety cause benzos are bad

  • “Much less wage war.” You are Waging war with “Public citizen” those snakes from Washington.

    “Written prescriptions for less than a 10-day supply will not be refilled.”
    -the Massachusetts Benzodiazepine Bill.

    World Benzodiazepine Awareness Day, Benzo Buddies and the various support groups are all participating. This initiative developed after speaking to the non-profit organization “Public Citizen”

    “Public Citizen” is calling for “widespread assisted outpatient treatment programs” Forced drugging

    “widespread assisted outpatient treatment programs” Read more Page 12.

    “assisted outpatient treatment programs” = Kidnapping, restraint , injection

    The whole Idea of working with “Public Citizen” the architects of “widespread assisted outpatient treatment programs” is being like Nazi Collaborators

    Nothing but dishonesty, deception and lies by omission from you people.

    This whole thing is AstroTurf as you people troll the internet fishing for victims to make it look grassroots.

  • I am a survivor, I did an unbelievable hell and back ride. I agree with this person, not so much the screen name “addiction myth” its provocative but the part about these We-Bad people don’t need to be stirring up a government drug war. Of all the psychiatric drugs I bet they have never had to force beznos anyone cause in a crisis they really help.

    Once these We-Bad people get done how many people in an emotional crisis will get Haldol instead of Ativan cause the “We-Bad” benzo prohibitionists made such a stink and got there way ?

    “the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few” And sorry but its only the few, including myself, that get hurt.

  • Maybe some people would like to try but the lord and master lefties got to try outlaw it.

    What if a young man is attracted to other men and decides this kind of sucks or I want a family and learning to like chicks if its possible is what I want.

    Guess he is going to have to pay cash or travel abroad. Big nanny state always knows best right ?

  • I think I am done, this website is stupid now. Figure out how many links I donated my time, wasting my time posting and putting in the google index to bring people to this site and do an equal number of this site sucks posts.

    Look at the story next to to the right “The Need for Empathy-Based Medicine”

    How about a story of the assaults and restraints and F needles paint a picture of that.

    This place sucks. OLD HEAD was right.

  • Proverbs 18:14 A man’s spirit can endure sickness, but who can survive a broken spirit?

    Nope we don’t have spirits anymore everything is now “broken brains” , Psychiatry views man as entirely physical being composed of soups and sparks and rejects the dichotomous nature of man possessing both body and soul.

    The word “psychiatry” comes from the Greek and literally means, “doctor of the soul”, yet psychiatrists and the DSM-V actually mock the idea that man has a soul or a spirit. So psychiatrists are doctors of something they do not even believe in and while posing as “authorities” on the mind and mental health, psychiatry has no scientific basis for any of its treatments or methods.


    Headline: How severe, ongoing stress can affect a child’s brain.

    “The approach starts with the premise that extreme stress or trauma can cause brain changes”

    Premise – a previous statement or proposition from which another is inferred or follows as a conclusion. 2. Base an argument, theory, or undertaking on.

    “Nelson’s research on neglected children in Romanian orphanages ‘suggests’ that early intervention might reverse damage from toxic stress.”

    “Experiments in animals and humans also ‘suggest’ persistent stress ‘may’ alter brain structure”

    (Experiments in Animals- Just imagine the torture all the poor creature did was exist and these crackpots torture it then kill and dissect its brain.)

    How Severe, Ongoing Stress Can Affect a Child’s Brain: There is no scientific evidence to prove this: it always remains what the “fine print” in the studies tell you: “suggests,” “may” and “it is hoped.”

    Fake news psychiatric propaganda.

    So now MIA promotes all the broken brain psych industry BS and animal experimentation “its for the children”.

    I see whats going on here, its incrementalism or gradualism starting off hitting the industry real hard to attract people who were harmed and want to fight back and gradually change the agenda to the children have broken brains and all the crap the industry has always been saying.

    I want to believe this article was put here for us to pull apart and expose.

    Title of this thing should have been – The Psych Industry Pushing Same Broken Brain Crap and Torturing Innocent Animals.

    That would be real news.

    And how EXACTLY did they “stress” the animals, how is that done ?

  • “collective behaviors”

    Maybe they would not feel so marginalized if the T.V news all news stopped labeling every single group besides white heterosexual males as radical leftists trying to turn America into Venezuela.

    People from all over the world come to America to flee socialism and communism because it wrecked their countries, they don’t want to bring it here.

    When many people read stuff like “pro-social behavior that promotes our collective well-being” they think of Cuba Venezuela and everywhere else that sucks and then have even more negative feelings against minority groups.

    Stories like this are a major insult to undocumented immigrants, they did not make epic journey for public services free heath care … they came to work hard and the American dream that’s actually still not that hard to pull off.

    Most came to make it in America not take it from America.

  • “Gender neutral movement” came right up in Google autosuggest soon as I put gender and an N, I know what that is. That’s social engineering.

    The worst of it is they are trying to like feminize men, look at TV , not many strong man get er done figures in TV shows anymore, the male figure is usually a bumbling clown now. Homer Simpsons. a bumbling clowns now or all soft. Thats by design.

    Back to the original subject I like Tom Boys for girlfreinds better anyway (a girl who enjoys rough, noisy activities traditionally associated with boys.) Help me finish the motor out in the garage then lets see how fast it goes… Later if you want we can play paint toe nails girly stuff.

    I am all about be who ever you are, conformity sucks cause it does but I think alot of that social engineering can take a hike cause its just more conformity.

  • The Outcast (Star Trek: The Next Generation)

    The Enterprise is contacted by a humanoid race called the J’naii. They are a race who have no gender. They ask the crew for help in finding a shuttle which has gone missing. It is theorized that the shuttle disappeared into a pocket of null space

    While Soren and Riker work on the shuttle, Soren confesses that she is attracted to Riker and further that she has female gender identity. Soren explains that the J’naii are an androgynous species that view the expression of any sort of male or female gender, and especially sexual liaisons, as a sexual perversion. According to their official doctrine, the J’naii had evolved beyond gender and thus view the idea of male/female sexuality as primitive. Those among the J’naii who view themselves as possessing gender are ridiculed, outcast, and forced to undergo “psychotectic therapy” – a form of therapy meant to remediate gender-specificity and allow acceptance back into J’naii society.

    Is that what they want to do to our society with all this gender neutral stuff ? I wonder sometimes

    Take an airline flight on on a non US airlines and the stewardesses are gorgeous. The US is so full of crap already with “equality” . Whats wrong with beauty in the world ? Look at all the art from the ancient world its not like we just started doing this.

    I can trash trashy Hooters but not the whole idea that we can’t celebrate beauty.

    Its been a wile since I crossed an ocean, I should, and I am going off topic now to but another thing I noticed traveling abroad that went against everything I was taught as a kid was that people in many other countries had more freedom. You could see and feel it.

    And Americans the traffic light turns green and they just sit there “duh I am major stupid but I guess I will move now but extra stupid slow” then they go home and complain the traffic was slow. Just the shuttle from the airport in many countries they get up and move out and its wow not like home.

    They should require Americans to travel abroad at least every ten years.

  • Those ‘Breastaurants’ seem to attract narcissistic customers the same way nightclubs do, nothing attracts narcissists like nightclubs ‘admire me’ look at me theaters of fakeness. I am sure some of them make very rude comments about the women working at breastaurants wile eating there.

    Some women thoroughly enjoy being sexy and its not a problem for them but I would imagine others like the pay but hate the job and many of the customers.

    The beauty and fashion industry has been preying on women’s insecurities since like forever but one thing you will never hear from a guy is she looks nice but with a ton of makeup she would be gorgeous. I think in the entire history of men none of us has ever said that. Women look nicer in flip flops or barefoot then in $600 shoes.

    Its just part of the world, we look at each other.

    I have always been tempted but not reckless enough with my health to try steroids, kind of the male version of disordered eating to live up to those artificial standards of whats hot and whats not and beat the system. Steroids work, in a few months your a hunk years later your junk but it worked for A Schwarzenegger.

    Proper steroid and gym regime maybe I could work at Chippendales but that’s not exactly one of my goals. In fact yuck no thanks.

  • a person does not have to be off all medications to show “complete recovery” from “mental illness.”

    I believe I have completely recovered from alcoholism and addiction but I still party pretty hard sometimes if and only if I know its going to be a fun time. I guess that’s off topic a little but I am completely recovered but the psychiatric and AA version of recovery says otherwise. Maybe I should leave AA out of it they only suggest total abstinence but the psychiatric version calls it a relapse.

    I am so brainwashed by the whole thing, do I post this? A few people know my screen name … He is not sober not in recovery he is still sick some would say.

    That word recovery is so tricky.

  • Good one Sera, get everyone to search: Hearing Voices Movement and change Google autocomplete in the process. Well done.

    Did it improve after 420 views of this ? HVM was the 3rd suggestion in autocomplete when I tried it.

    420 views already I missed alot of people but everyone do the search like 10 times a day for wile till the HVM gets really stuck in autocomplete.

  • Help “Public Citizen” with their agenda take to away your benzos and force people on to mood remover pills nueroleptic injections.

    We can pretend its grassroots wile we play on the AstroTurf.

    Its OK we only got hurt with benzos who cares how much the people subjected to the “Public Citizen” forced drugging campaign suffer. Widespread Kidnapping Restraint and Injection for a whole lot of people, Sucks for them.

  • I just read the whole thing again and ask myself are we talking about lab rats or children ?
    Really get psychology and psychiatry the hell out of schools.
    School is supposed to be learning to read, math history science social studies NOT be a damn mental institution and psychology experiment.

    But since we a doing it anyway

    “Already-existing interventions, on the other hand, seem to have been borne out of the deficit approach and assume that success involves getting stress-adapted children “to think and act more like children from low-risk backgrounds,”

    Can’t we just talk in English ? How do we remove ghetto culture from kids instead calling self perpetuating ghetto culture “high risk backgrounds”

    Maybe talk about this honestly and maybe teach kids that rap videos are stupid are designed to make you act stupid and so is covering yourself with cheap tattoos and stuff like that. TV ‘programming’ said looking and acting like a criminal looser is cool 1000 different ways. So they copy it.

    Maybe teach kids how the brain washing dumb you down crap on cable TV works and why its like that ? Have a whole class on it.

    No you have to sugar coat it “scientifically” so no ones feeling get hurt. Its not working.

    Feelings hurt “waiting for moderation” is that next ?

  • “Insomnia is a symptom of depression” so treat depression is what kicked off my psychiatry pill nightmare. Then its anxiety (self explanatory) ADHD and bipolar the latter 2 I knew nothing about like most people, I knew nothing about any of this “mental illness” had no interest in it and was never around it or talked of it or knew anyone that “had” it. All I wanted was a go to sleep pill. Got 10 years of hell.

    I remember getting told ADD or ADHD in the office and my thoughts were what the heck you say I have what the special ed kids have ? Then its explained an I am like I guess so. Then I was introduced to the amphetamine high, its awesome till it turns destructive. Pain pills screw that “nod out” how boring Dexedrine Focalin lets party.

    All I wanted was a pill to go to sleep, I am not tired till way after midnight. I knew doctors had pills that worked better then that over the counter stuff. The world is set up for morning people and cheery and crap at 7 am jobs all want early birds.

    Stimulants , Benzos, Remeron Zyprexa then psych hospitals sickness anxiety attack hell withdrawal hell a dozen times. All I wanted was a pill for sleep.

    Life was good till I trusted those quacks stole everything send me to hell for 10 years.

  • The news media and television could be saving countless lives every day if they were running non-stop headlines about the dangers of drug mixing, but they are not.

    On March 5, 1982, Belushi was found dead in his hotel room at the Chateau Marmont in Los Angeles, having been injected with a “speedball”, a mixture of heroin and cocaine. It became part of the culture or common knowlege that speedballs are death.

    With today’s fake news the headlines for Belushi if that happened today would be “Another Opiate Death” maybe they would say something about other drugs being involved and the end of the article.

    Notable deaths attributed to speedball use

    10 Celebrities Who Died from a Heroin-Cocaine Speedball

    Celebrities who died from painkillers and heroin –

    Then Fake news CNN goes on to list the people who died from speed-balling after its fake headline. Then of course when they get called out as fake news they headline is “Trump Supporters Call CNN Fake News” NO everyone is sick of you CNN. And controlled opposition Fox News all you mainstream monopoly clowns.

    More than a quarter of overdose deaths in New York City involve mixing three drugs together, with the most common combination being heroin, cocaine, and alcohol. … Cocaine, alcohol, and benzodiazepines can be fatal when mixed with opioids.

    “Benzodiazepines were found in 60% of overdose deaths involving Synthetic Opioids, 36% of deaths involving heroin, and 58% of deaths involving methadone in 2013. Alcohol was found in over half of the unintentional drug deaths during the last three recorded years” – New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene August, 2014

    Keep calling it an “opiate epidemic” FAKE NEWS, you are killing people.

  • Its going to become a feedback loop snowball now with people Googling gabapentin and stories coming up that if you take alot it might get you high so then more people start abusing leading to more stories about people abusing it that more people find.

  • “no protection at all from corporations (and individuals) who do serious harm.”

    I don’t pledge allegiance to any political system, that’s for extremist retards but the libertarians say the only role of government is to protect you from harm. They are the only ones without glaring contractions like the Democrats and Republicans so called “ideologies”.
    Google says I got it right.

    Anyway I won’t align myself with the “widespread” forced drugging people “public citizen” and their NAZI inspired plans to control undesirables with kidnappings restraints and injections. I just can’t do it.

    I could tell something was up with that “W-BAD” from the very start with the deceptive vagueness, I know that technique from reading psych industry propaganda.

    I could see they were mirroring what the war on pain patient opiate crew is doing, drug testing and databases turn your doctor into a probation officer that’s been a total backfire like you used either on a diesel but alignment with the forced drugging NAZIs, again like the NAMI’s patient lemmings who fight against their own rights. Count me out.

  • It is quite common to hear persons bemoaning the state of the family and of families in America. Is that just hype and rhetoric? Are American families really “disintegrating” today? Sadly, a lot of evidence seems to indicate that traditional American families are an endangered and disappearing species.

    I read something that claimed Veterans PTSD is more about going from being in a tight unit like a family where everyone always has your back to back home to quite the opposite.

    I remember the 70s and early 80s family keg parties and holidays everyone managed to get the time off, the ‘corny’ idea that most businesses closed on Sunday was still around. Wasn’t just my family the other kids had a lot of get together events too. School was different too, no surveillance cameras on the bus and the school building wasn’t designed like a prison and of course no drugging for so called ADHD.

    I am not an anthropologist but who would have guessed all the advancements in communications , cell phones and Facebook would also lead to more loneliness ?

    The opiate and mental health ‘crisis’ is not a result of the usual stuff it gets blamed on at all, we always had drugs and alcohol and ways to get them. Think of the rat park experiment. Plus we did not have mass incarceration, the drug war was just starting and they sucked at it wasn’t till the 90s US really became a police state.

    Empathy-Based Medicine, sounds like a good start, things are such a mess, younger people can’t even see it, they have nothing to compare now to besides maybe old TV shows and movies I guess. Things were not TV show perfect back then lots of the same problems but was alot better then now.

    How about an Empathy-Based DMV , code enforcement, property tax collectors, justice system and drug war instead of the cut your throat bleed you dry “just doing my job” system we have now ? We can have Empathy-Based everything. Seems like no one wants it.

  • Anyone who has waited in the ER for anxiety attack or anything psychiatric knows the never even bother asking whats wrong, whats going on in your life you are showing up here such a mess ?

    Nope, sometimes its a wait and you might spend some time thinking up how you are going to coherently explain it in chronological order so they understand but its not happening, the nurse that takes vitals might be nice and listen but non of that gets addressed then its get in the gown and sit in a room alone for observation. That like fish tank kind of set up they have for psychiatric.

    If your lucky you get the ativan, you cloths wallet and freedom and go home, sometimes you might get admitted if your anxiety is really “mania” , then the fun starts.

    Very unlikely anyone is going to do much asking about whats wrong.

  • The leftists gave birth to today’s crony capitalism with their millions of rules and regulations making it so only big corporations with massive legal departments and all kinds of staff to keep up with them can survive. Companies like Walmart and Monsanto would never have dominated in a true free market without the endless leftists rules and regulations to suppress the competition.

  • “Written prescriptions for less than a 10-day supply will not be refilled.”

    -the Massachusetts Benzodiazepine Bill.

    This ain’t about warning labels, these people have another agenda are tapping benzo survivors to make the whole thing look grass roots same way NAMI gets their patient followers to fight against their own rights.

    “Written prescriptions for less than a 10-day supply will not be refilled.”

    Well when your stuck in the insanity of withdrawal when they won’t refill your scripts or having an “all natural” anxiety attack try and act calm in the ER so the don’t sign you up for “widespread assisted outpatient treatment programs”

    “Written prescriptions for less than a 10-day supply will not be refilled.”

    See how they just sneak that in there wile telling you the whole thing is about informed consent warning labels.

  • “Public Citizen” calling for “widespread assisted outpatient treatment programs” Forced drugging

    The whole Idea of working with “Public Citizen” the architects of “widespread assisted outpatient treatment programs” brings me to > Nazi Collaborators

    For a wile the NAZIs had an especially successful track record, they kicked butt at warfare and then there was that thing of the first ones in the gas chambers were the mental patients.

    “Widespread assisted outpatient treatment programs” is there anything more NAZI inspired then rounding up undesirables who committed no crimes for force drugging with Nueroleptics depot injects against their will ? Kidnap them , restrain them , inject them. Widespread.

    Thats the problem with leftists, they have no honor, not for themselves or anything, they can’t even understand what the fuss is about.

  • I am trying to be polite and not spam up the comments but I would like to know why any psychiatric survivor would want anything to do with this “Public Citizen” organization when they are calling for Page 12 “Public Citizen” calling for “widespread assisted outpatient treatment programs” Forced drugging, they are promoting psychiatry’s very worst human rights violation, why would we want anything to do with them ?

    How could you stand in the same room with these people ?

  • Anyway I solved the puzzle as to why no one cares if this benzo awareness thing lands more people on Anti psychotics , I did not even buy a vowel.

    Fuller Torrey, NAMI …

    “He that lieth down with dogs shall rise up with fleas”

  • “This initiative developed after speaking to the non-profit organization Public Citizen”

    “Public citizen” gives Edwin Fuller Torrey a voice

    Until Mental Health Services Are Improved, Tucson-Like Mass Murders Will Not End
    Statement by E. Fuller Torrey, M.D. and Sidney Wolfe, M.D.
    Unless two predictors of mass murder are addressed and changed, the United States will continue to lead all developed countries in the number of people killed by inadequately diagnosed or treated people with serious mental illness.

    Ban those evil benzos but force those nueroleptics ! “Public citizen” typical Liberals nothing but hypocrisy and contradiction.

    WHO: Moderator: Dr. Sidney Wolfe, founder and senior adviser of Public Citizen’s Health Research Group
    Dr. E. Fuller Torrey, founder of the Treatment Advocacy Center
    Dr. Azza AbuDagga, health services researcher of Public Citizen’s Health Research Group

    “A joint report of the National Alliance for the Mentally Ill and Public Citizen’s Health Research Group.”

    Not with a 10 foot pole “Public Citizen’s Health Research Group”

  • You want awareness ?

    Lets see what you activist are made of, lets see one of you bring it there. Its worth 1000s of views and if done right could attract /create alot more activists. Me and that site battled. You will likely face opposition. This a job for someone besides me. They will resist, watch it or they accuse you of having an agenda and ban you. You have to infiltrate smart. Good luck.

    Resistance if futile you will be assimilated… Just don’t tell them that.

  • Now I am in a heck of a spot not very nice to argue with someone who lost a brother to it. I lost my brother before I got well from this.

    But suicide, what other drugs did they send him home on ? Its rare anyone goes home from treatment without a prescription for non benzo stuff. Stuff many will testify doesn’t exactly help. My case Zyprexa. I got suicidal from Revia (naltrexone) this was years before the stuff was well known. It was not for opiates, never had that problem, it was new the thinking was “it blocks the high” from alcohol that I used on the anxiety from the benzo disaster. I blocks the high but not the low is what I think happened that suicidal night broken windows and police cars. And the legal system hell that followed like they wanted me dead.

    Benzo was my problem but “addicts can’t ever drink” we all know that one size fits all strategy. Sober or nothing.

    I am stuck, I know that place home from treatment feel like hell the shame and guilt if you go back to it. I know this thing inside out from being in a dozen places and worked at one for a wile trying to help people get through it driving them to the ER so they don’t get the ambulance ordeal where they refuse to turn off the flashing lights bring a ladder truck for some reason and insist on making a big scene.

    I feel like I should not be asking this but if they did not give him alternate benzos would he have stayed or said screw this and left ?

    I have been though so much and know this thing so well but feel wrong questioning the conclusions here. Yes the cause of death is ultimately the benzodiazepines that lead to the entire course of events just like with me.

    I will raise awareness, my experience has value years and years of it hospitals rehabs the other pills even worse for me and I kicked it when they all said I was hopeless unless I submitted to a life subdued by anti psychotics.

    Sorry for your loss but I have to keep saying it, we can’t mirror the tactics used by the opiate raise awareness people without expecting similar results.

  • And a hassle at the pharmacy is “protecting my rights” how ?

    Doesnt NAMI also “protect” patient rights ?

    I will not be like a NAMI lemming and just jump on a band wagon or watch this group hitch their wagon to the psychiatric survivors human rights movement without asking questions.

    I was reading the website before they edited the crap suggesting drug testing so a benzo patient is allowed their prescription.

    Then I am told I read stuff wrong but the webcatch page proved otherwise.

    The deceptive vagueness of that entire website is a red flag to me.

    The “benzos are bad” theme led to me be handed that sample bottle of Zyprexa. At least on klonopin you can feel and enjoy life if they are not screwing with your supply.

    You can’t just go around yelling benzos are bad at government types without thinking about unintended consequences , its reckless and dangerous.

  • It is not possible at this point in time to receive Social Security Disability benefits based solely on Drug Addiction. The Social Security Administration (SSA) will not grant disability benefits to people with disabilities that have been caused or worsened by addiction.

    Typical word semantics games- addiction, dependency, iatrogenically ill. No difference what so ever. Zero Zilch Nada Nothing. Same poison, same effects and same results.

    Why isn’t this W-BAD pushing to make it easier for patients to sue doctors that harmed them ? This is a battle between different factions of the psychiatric industry itself, legislation is fair game but suing and lawsuits is too below the belt for them. They argue but will almost always protect their own.

    This whole thing is just AstroTurf posing as a grassroots campaign by benzo victims.

    Let the doctors off the hook and stick the taxpayer with the bill through disability and make a few bucks at the same time with a new billing code to treat the condition they created.

    (Anatomy of an Epidemic investigates a medical mystery: Why has the number of adults and children on disability skyrocketed…)

    If the medical malpractice insurance industry got the bill doctor behavior just might change.

  • SECTION 6. Section 23 of said chapter 94C, as so appearing is hereby amended by adding the following 2 subsections:-

    (i) A written prescription for less than a 10 day supply of a benzodiazepine or a non-benzodiazepine hypnotic shall not be refilled.

    Some of us lived the nightmare of “sorry we can’t fill this” with that DMV style attitude of “just doing my job” that legislation always inspires. Sorry we can’t fill this you can always go to the ER if you are not feeling well…

    How exactly is this 10 day thing “protecting our rights” ?

    What happens if I go to ER and then doctor wants to give me under 10 day supply ?

  • “Isn’t the solution to get as far away from psychiatry as possible?”

    Exactly ! I am guessing you smell it too.

    I had long exchange with one them and I am very skeptical of their activities.

    I see it kind of like Mothers Against Drunk Driving “helping” Alcoholics. MADD started all that show ID crap in America meanwhile in other countries without drinking ages they have fewer alcohol problems.

    When does the benzo nightmare really rear its ugliest head ? When they screw with your supply. Who has real problems the first week after getting a new Rx ? Its that last week when the bottle is running dry or empty the nightmare begins.

    “I am not stable enough now to be accepted at Pathways [another drug rehab center] and withstand further withdrawal…”

    If these “W-BAD” people continue stirring up government types to “do something” about the benzo “epidemic” its very likely to mirror the war on pain patients that is also leading to suicides.

    I think its likely Doug is dead because they “helped” him with his Xanax problem by cutting him off.

    Are alcoholics better off after MADD declared war on alcohol ?
    Are people with opiate dependencies and pain patients better off now with “awareness” and the government actions against opiates ? Friend of mine just died from fentanyl laced dope, I am sure he would have rather had dilaudid and not taken chances but they raised awareness of the pills and so.

    Who is at the top of this “w-bad” organization ? I smell something like a NAMI and MADD structure tapping our energy for their agenda.

    The Benzo Nightmare came real close to killing me wile it dragged me through an unimaginable hell, I should be all over this w-bad bandwagon making the most noise but I am very skeptical.

    I am waiting to see if you get a response, I already had my exchange with them.

  • How many of these stories have to pile up on the internet before the mass drugging of the population experiment is declared a failure and is scaled back or just ends ?

    It is a failure, more harm then good. I would not take part in this if I did not believe that to be true.

  • Meanwhile if the benzo hell ride takes you down the path to drug and alcohol rehab like it does many of us that path leads to AA and 12 step. I won’t bash AA, its actually a wonderful place cause most of the people know what hell is and have been though it but I will bash that unofficial rule that says don’t bash psychiatry .

    That is correct I am not a doctor, gee thanks capt F-ing obvious as if the room believed I was a Dr but my story is my story and I am not sugar coating it for anyone.

    I went from the frying pan of not being able to sleep without a drink to the raging inferno of Xanax Clonopin Remeron and then “ADHD” and Dexadrine and then Zyprexa ,,, a decade of indescribable hell ruined so much as a direct result of these “doctors”.

    I should be quite psychiatry becuase is an “outside issue” ? F off , I will not.

  • What that S did to me and to this day with family or anyone back over 1000 miles away in the land of my old life the alcohol still gets the blame. I am still not ready to type into this website much of what happened but I took drastic destructive action to try and end the nightmare. I will just describe it as property damage no people or animals got hurt. I wrote try and end the nightmare but actually it worked. It changed everything, I knew my death was next, that time line had to be changed. Sorry for the vagueness that might just have people imagining something worse then what went down, a desperate act. “ssri stories” I was listening to this song and got inspired

    “It is said that when a body hits the blue water, there under the Sunshine Skyway Bridge, the dolphins circle the body to protect it from being eaten by sharks.”

    I was in that very spot July 4th about 11:30 PM alone in a small speed boat I went under the Sky Way going home after a party on the beach, been boating at night for decades most of it up north but I got spooked worse then in a long time being in unfamiliar waters black as ink, do I go to the left or the right of that green blinky thing ? Keep the Greens between me and the Gulf now where is the next one ? Thinking about those sharks, stingrays and sandbars with the razor sharp oyster-beds. OK motor now would not be a good time to act up, volts good and water pump stream looks good next pole green triangle stay sharp . I run a tight ship I am here typing and been to hell and back in this life I guess God looks out for me.

    I was a little busy to give thought to the darker side of the Sky Way Bridge. I planned on doing a few bottle rockets by that bridge and listening to the cool echos from the reports bouncing off all that concrete but miles to go and that channel is not so easy to locate at night, that problem took priority. I admit it I was scared.

    What I am giving thought to now is what I have said it before but I think its time for me to move on from this payback the psychiatric industry thing I do online. I raised alot of awareness, just one topic I made that I won’t name cause I don’t want people messing with it draws thousands of people to this website. I look for stuff online to post and find stuff I posted, I did alot.

    I survived a decade in that horror of psych med hell, that indescribable horror that goes with the worst of it but I should “let it go” I hate that saying but I should. I am back I am me again with July 4th – boats – fireworks – booze… Back on the the sea the place I always loved even in the middle of the night on a small boat in a scary predicament.

    “we must think of those we lost and be a beacon of hope for those who are in the darkness that is psychiatric drug withdrawal”

    Well you can make it back from that darkness, I did. I don’t know what to write exactly that kind of messed me up that Skyway thing with the sharks and Dolphins I was just in that spot.

    That beacon of hope, the green blinky thing the channel markers, in your journey through the darkness that is psychiatric drug withdrawal your channel markers are in your memory of what you were like before the psychiatric drug nightmare, going off course is thinking that state of withdrawal is a permanent condition.

    I remember the clinicians with me using that word “exposure” to basically describe exposure to all that psychiatric poison in 2007 then Zyprexa and another round of high dose Benzo dependency to come off that that was even worse. I was Exposed to alot and Remeron a decade of ADHD drugs…and I am OK, you can be OK again. I am proof of that.

    I know that space, that thinking in the hell of it “I will never feel OK again” its not true.

  • Come up for something for Zypexa olanzapine withdrawal micro tapering, I can’t even come up with a string of words to describe the wicked evil nightmare that is. I lived it when they gave me that poison to “help” with Xanax Xr withdrawal after 8mg to 0. Don’t worry it is “non addictive”…. Bastards.

    Its all the anxiety insomnia hell of benzo withdrawal combined with the nausea vomiting effects of opiates plus this bad trip like terrifying psychosis. It goes on for weeks. Its pure evil. One thing in common with everyone who writes about it online is they use words evil devil wicked and hell.

    Zyprexa victims don’t have the voice that people with the benzo sickess have but it is BAD S—-. For the full year of 2012, worldwide Zyprexa sales totaled $1.701 billion… Plus that olanzapine is generic now I can’t even guess how many people are stuck in Satans version of a rock and a hard place.

    The rock is the Zyprexa anhedonia that robs your ability to feel pleasure from anything and the hard place is the hell inspired withdrawals.

    A micro taper method for that stuff would make the world a better place for alot of people.

    In the hospital that I went to twice with vomiting and panic attacks getting admitted the second visit that luckily was not overly abusive, it took 8mg a day of Ativan to combat the Zyprexa withdrawal. The tryed to give me Geodon I said get lost but there I was 5 months after kicking the Xanax Xr back on Benzos to kick the “non addictive” poison they gave me. Back to benzo dependency then 2 years later kicking benzos again.

    And of course they tried pulling a “Part II” on me once again with the “non addictive” continuation but I knew better.

  • Its been my experience that hell must be payed and I don’t think there is any way to pay less. How many months in that state of like tolerance withdrawal is required to quit the “easy way” ?

    I just still think the best way to beat the hell collector out of some of the pain of that withdrawal state is looking forward to and knowing a nice reliving dose is coming night and a complete break from it to get thoughts and reality back in order. Rest up and prepare for battle the next day.

    I don’t know what the best way is for everyone but the worst way is when someone else dictates it and starts playing games with the Zoloft and Abilify or what ever there favorite concoction is.

    Never once heard anyone in group say some crap concoction like Zoloft and Abilify was helping them in any way only complaints of side effects and the doctor being a moron looking things up on Google during the session.

    I think/know a good drug to battle benzo withdrawal is Seroquel, alot of people absolutely hate it cause they were given too much, restless legs all night then zombied out the next morning… Its a weird drug in that less is more when used for sleep and I think its good for the end of the benzo battle. Keep it @ <= 25mg. Get all hungry zombie then eat and sleep. Trazadone is a toxic bad joke, Trazodone has a narrow "window" of sleep-promoting effect. That stuff completely sucks.

    The people in detox would miss the "window" but not the other effects up all night pacing and miserable.

    That micro taper would never work for me, I would start drinking to get right after being stuck in that state of half ass withdrawal for weeks.

  • And beware beware beware of this “non addictive” S— will help with the anxiety… And they send you down the road of Paxil, Cymbalta, Zyprexa, Lamictal, Zoloft, Abilify…

    After going to rehab myself and living the “this ‘non addictive’ S— will help with the anxiety” nightmare then working in one and watching them do it to so many other people I named it “Benzo nightmare part II”

    I never understood this logic: “You are mentally ill and need to take psych pills every day but not those benzos because they cause dependency and you will need to take them every day”

    Wait what ?

    “You are mentally ill and need to take psych pills every day but not those benzos because they cause dependency and you will need to take them every day”

    So here is your “non addictive” Paxil, Cymbalta, Zyprexa, Lamictal … and its so “non addictive” you will get really sick if you stop taking it abruptly so check with your doctor before discontinuing this medication.

    So here is your antidepressant that “helps” with anxiety. It helps anxiety so well even the pharma paid off FDA could not approve it for anxiety. It takes 6 weeks to “get in your system” (what “system” are they talking about?) anyway this crap doesn’t “work” for six weeks but we will just load you up on it now wile your body, mind and nerves that are already a mess from benzodiazepines withdrawal just to give it more to deal with and lots of fun ‘side’ effects.

    And you are an “addict” and since we know addicts love to fly high, party and feel good here are some mood stabilizer mood remover pills to make sobriety feel even more flat, dull , tired and boring. When you go home and get sick of everything feeling flat dull tired and boring and drink or score some party drugs to overcome the flatness for a wile we will put all the blame on the “disease” of addiction.

    Just watch out for the benzo nightmare part 2.

  • There is no painless way to do it.

    “Quitting by the gradual withdrawal method. I discuss this method quite extensively in my seminars. I always tell how if there is anyone attending who knows a smoker who they really despise they should actively encourage them to follow the gradual withdrawal “cut down” approach. They should call them up every day and tell them to just get rid of one cigarette. Meaning, if they usually smoke 40 a day, just smoke 39 on the first day of the attempt to quit. The next day they should be encouraged to smoke only 38 then 37 the next day and so on. Then the seminar participant should call these people every day to congratulate them and encourage them to continue. I must reemphasize, this should only be done to a smoker you really despise.”

    The way I think best to quit benzos is to take that first dose later and later every day. No pain no gain. Don’t even play with the night dose and the insomnia till you make it through a full day without any benzo.

    I lived the force you off benzos “for you own good” so many times and those clueless people usually, no always gave the last pill in the morning.

    There is always hell to pay quitting benzodiazepines, one way or another either months of “minor” hell or a week of major hell, hell is going to get paid.

    Pay hell during the day as long as you can taking minimal amounts till you can make it a whole day with none and continue to take a nice 2mg Xanax, Klonopin, Ativan or what ever you are up to … at night during that time. It makes it easier to pay off hell during the day knowing that nice relief is coming that night. Then as I already said when you have gotten to the point of doing your day without any then start cutting the night dose and maybe messing with other sleep aids.

    Thats how its done. I got myself out of the benzo trap that way on my own the very last time no help from the “professionals”. I had to, supply running out and I was just was not playing that game anymore.

    Be careful with the alcohol, it can carry you though a tough spot but the rebound seriously erases forward progress.

  • “And consider pursuing policies that promote equality for all Americans. You won’t just have a fairer society—you’ll also have a healthier one.”

    Meanwhile in Venezuela where they tried those ideas – To the regime, you are either a socialist or you are dead. In fact, Maduro reaffirmed his position last week: “If Venezuela was plunged into chaos and violence and the Bolivarian Revolution destroyed, we would go to combat. We would never give up, and what we were not able to do with votes, we would do with weapons, we would liberate the fatherland with weapons.”

    Given the chance most of these make everything fair people would convert the United States of America to a third world socialist wasteland.

    But one thing is also certain about modern capitalism: it is moving towards a rent-based, almost neo-feudal barbarism.

    “The primary source of income and wealth inequality in this country is from homeownership. But far too many poor families are shut out of the opportunity to improve their lives because of big banks working hand in glove with the government. We have to change that if we’re going to combat inequality.” Thats a Bernie Sanders quote and I agree with that.

    I think more liberty not socialism is the way to combat neo-feudalism, start by going after the zoning boards and the 1001 stupid pointless rules that make houses so expensive. Next stop those property tax people and their license to steal and extort.

    Concrete blocks are 8 inches by 16 inches. If you were building a 20X50 building with 8 foot walls then you would need approximately 1,260 blocks and they are like $1 each

    Only a few generations ago you just build a house, now with all the 1001 BS rules, taxes and financial scams most millennials are living with parents when they a plenty young and strong enough to easily build a home, those new tools in Home Depo are cheap and are so kick ass and they keep getting better. The housing system today is such incredible BS. Construction is so easy.

    Homelessness should not exist.

  • And after everyone became “aware” of those evil benzos millions of people got put on Paxil, Zyprexa, Cymbalta, lamictal and the other chemical nightmares instead !

    Epic long discussion on the last one

    The odds overwhelmingly predict these people are going to make things worse the more they stir up the busybody government control freaks the same way the opiate prohibitionists created the war on chronic pain patients and turned their doctors and pharmacists into probation officers databases black lists and pee in this cup wile we look at your privates and all.

    The last thing we need is the government types putting a virtual DEA agent in our doctors offices and practicing medicine with their “legislation”.

    Not trying to be a troll here, I survived the benzo nightmare, I know alot about this. I say beware of benzo awareness day.

  • The American Psychiatric Association (APA), which includes more than 37,000 physician members, also called the bill “deeply flawed” . The organization, among several other prominent health groups, says it was not consulted during the formation of the new bill. “The Senate proposal represents a significant move in the wrong direction, resulting in fewer people having access to insurance, fewer patient protections and less coverage for essential behavioral health care,” said Dr. Saul Levin, CEO and medical director of the APA, in a statement. “We urge the Senate to reject this harmful legislation and start again on a health care bill that puts patients first.”

    Translation: “We urge the Senate to reject this legislation and start again on a health care bill that puts the psychiatric industry first.”

    “Our nation cannot afford to go back to the days when insurers selectively enrolled individuals to avoid financial responsibility for needed services. Nor can we afford to return to viewing mental health and substance use services as optional”

    I would have rather got the bill for a few days of alcohol detox after very voluntary going to the hospital instead of buying more alcohol that morning to feel “good” for “just one more day” and got the the inpatient nightmare and false accusations of being bipolar, suicidal and the threats of injections when I refused their frighteningly high dose pill lobotomy. I lived the UHS nightmare > I lived the UHS nightmare as a direct result of having coverage.

    Almost 4 weeks into the UHS kidnapping nightmare I called Mindfreedom, someone had passed the number to me about year before but I thought it started with 1-800 and it didn’t work but then I eventually thought to try starting with 1-877 and got through. The way David talked to these people was epic “Put him on the phone !!” when they talked to him with that authority voice he was having none of it. The results were epic too, the nightmare was over a day and a half later.

    Thanks Again David for ending that nightmare, I don’t know how long that would have continued. If I ever fall into that pit of alcohol again and can’t crawl out I know to stay away from hospitals if I have “coverage” for mental health kidnapping.

    I just lost an AA friend to a heroin or fentanyl overdose, had not seen him in a wile but we did July 4th 2014 together and I was with 2 of the same other people this last July 4th. I just got to thinking of that becuase the health care bill web pages on mental health all mentioning opiate addiction and lumping it together with so called mental illness.

    Its possible it was that same fentanyl dope that another friend of mine from AA ODed on but lived about 5 weeks ago. I always see these war on pain pills articles on MIA and I think my friend might still be alive if he was able to get dilaudids and knew the exact strength and composition of what he was doing instead of using that street crap. I still can’t believe he did that, he was a smart dude.

    Why is it that people with opiate dependencies who seem to be dying all around me can get treatment in unlocked nice places many very similar to vacation resorts yet people accused of mental illness get the locked inpatient nightmares cause they are a “danger to themselves” ?

  • I think trump knows all about the anatomy of the epidemic, psychiatry’s keep you sick scam, because he called out the vaccine autism link. How can you know about the autism vaccine link without knowing about the anatomy of the psychiatric epidemic ?

    Hillary Clinton advocated biological psychiatry and drugs. She introduced New York University psychiatrist Harold Koplewicz, one of the most radical … “Talking Back To Ritalin: What Doctors Aren’t Telling You About Stimulants …”

  • The new healthcare crisis? Doctor burnout, thanks to paperwork.

    Even the article photo is people staring at computer screens with piles of papers in front of them.

    “This danger is invisible to some but familiar to the Poles — the steady creep of government bureaucracy that drains the vitality and wealth of the people,” Trump said. “The West became great not because of paperwork and regulations but because people were allowed to chase their dreams and pursue their destinies.”

  • “Far more extensive and arguably even more torturous was the Motivation Attitude and Participation Program, in which “patients” were kept on the floor and not allowed to move a muscle for hours at a time”

    But first of course these monsters gave them drugs known to cause akathisia and involuntary muscle movements.

    A landmark victory would be the perpetrators going to prison. Justice would be inflicting the same torture on them they inflicted on others. So whats going to happen will they punish all the taxpayers by making them pay restitution for what these people did ?

    I pay taxes all the time.


    I guess it is a landmark victory when a judge can’t deny involuntary psychiatry is torture. Epic victory would be what I already wrote.