Wednesday, September 23, 2020

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  • Now the site needs to transform into sensational media coverage of mental health and police encounter with the mentally ill, in the spirit of kelly thomas – video front page.

    and to start being aggressive like TAC, beat them at their own game. Get aggressive. We’re only preaching to the choir 98% of the time and enlightening someone 2% at best.

    aggressive journalism, social justice. no trying to reform psychiatry – this is war now. we know they will never change or reform or stop, and god damn it, TAC is putting google ads on MIA and anatomy of an epidemic.

    So while your way of doing things is preaching to the choir in hopes of enlightening some passer-byes, TAC is using your website and work against you – people coming across MIA are getting ads for TAC

  • Anabolic-androgenic steroids. What I mean about psychiatry being dead is that throughout my 20’s, before I spent years being sick and under the radar from ulcerative colitis, every time I’d get in trouble with the law, the police and/or courts would involve psychiatry. It was beyond enraging, and led to more raging alcoholism. It’s been especially “crazy” the last year or so, but not a cricket so-to-speak from/about psychiatry. I can only hope it stays that way, cause I’m probably doubling down on the burnout this fall.

  • Let’s see, in the last months or so I’ve had about a dozen interactions with police, crashed my motorcycle three times (still fixing it to ride again after 110MPH wipeout/ditched the bike at a surprise curve), started using AAS again, broke a double ply window backhanding a fly in rage as I was chasing it around, cops came and put me under medical arrest and during all this time, psychiatry has been, for the first time in my life when things have been like this (they’ve been like this a few times before), completely absent. Around here at least, psychiatry appears to be dead. It’s almost like heaven.

    Oh I just realized that doesn’t make sense without more information. Yeah, that’s life! Damn near lost my finger though but refused to go to the hospital because you can’t bleed to death from losing a chunk-to-the-bone of your finger. It squishes blood but there’s no artery, not even a vein. I argued and argued… and now if I get covid…

  • Never mind, I found it; spirit of the times, eh.

    “To illustrate this, let’s consider another assumption that is nonsensical: that all criminal activity is ultimately the result of alien abduction during infancy. Let’s suppose that I, basking in the narcissistic, error-prone grandiosity of which supporters of psychiatry sometimes accuse me, subscribe to this belief. Let’s further suppose that, to promote and study this core assumption, I start a new scientific discipline, which for want of a better term, I’ll call E.T.ology.

    So I build a website, and attract a following, and we set about conducting E.T.ology studies to support our contention. We produce numerous papers showing that crime is most prevalent in areas where UFO sightings are most frequent. We demonstrate, through various statistical analyses, that criminals received less than average parental supervision during infancy, rendering them more vulnerable to alien abduction. And so on. And we publish these studies in our very own Journal of E.T.ology. We also speculate as to what the aliens actually do to their victims to instill the seeds of future lawlessness, and in this regard our scientists use colorful pictures of criminals’ brains to demonstrate chemical imbalances, neural circuitry anomalies, and other evidence of tampering. We develop and publish a manual for the early detection of abduction victims. The manual lists items like: failure to conform to age-appropriate social norms, deceitfulness, impulsivity, irritability and aggressiveness, recklessness, spitefulness, defiance, etc.

    We have impressive-looking graphs and tables in our journal articles. We use statistical terms like correlation-coefficient, standard deviation, confidence interval, risk ratios, etc., with an easy familiarity, and we dismiss the protests of dissenting voices as the bigoted railings of anti-science deniers. We construct a sophisticated propaganda apparatus, and in our annual conferences, we have sessions on “advanced communication skills for public engagement” and related topics. We develop close ties with politicians from all branches of government, and from all corners of the political spectrum, and we advocate relentlessly for the creation of “space-shields” to protect infants from these alien invaders, who are robbing our children of their future.

    We also, and entirely coincidentally, receive considerable financial support from the manufacturers of space-shield technology.”

  • I must be manic, because when I saw this I just busted out laughing like a high-on. You know you’re one of my favorite writers here, Phil, and the fact that this is still going on is just hilarious at this point… to me at least.

    I tried digging through your past articles to find the ETology one or whatever it was, but I unfortunately don’t have the time. Exposing the nonsense that is biopsychiatry; let’s assume all maladaptive behaviors are caused by alien abductions. That was genius. Can someone link me to that so I can read it again? – ear candy for all *laughs*

  • “She added that the limited budget didn’t allow for patients with different conditions and different needs to be separated into different facilities or wards. At least I had an answer; most of my questions about hospital conditions or treatments had been met with some variation of “If you question or resist, your stay in the hospital will be longer.””

    Yet these professionals and this paradigm of care are given tons of money, literally into the hundreds of billions. Meanwhile, the “patients” they disable, including children and into adulthood, are given a pittance in exchange for being socially exiled for the rest of their life. In any case, I’ve found no help from here or anywhere else either. No matter what I do, I’m fucked and alone and going to go broke and die in the near future.

    To hell with it. Sometimes death is better.

  • “Let’s be clear. The police have no role to play in responding to mental health crises. None. The idea that a person in emotional crisis needs a person in a uniform carrying a gun, club, handcuffs, taser, and pepper spray—someone who is trained to kill— to show up to “help” them is absolutely insane. Orwellian. Madness.”

    The sane are insane.

  • Hello, Daniel Kriegman. This is Jeffrey, the same “crazy” Jeffrey you… corresponded? With in the 2000’s quite a bit. The one that once blew your mind regarding something to do with emails.

    I’m glad you’re still alive, and hope you are doing well. I am better than ever, and pushing further every day.

    This is where I’m at in life:

    You once “treated” me as a “professional”, with the ultimate “conclusion” being, narrowly summed up, that I needed a partner. And you were right. Unfortunately, that’s never happened. It’s the “last” thing I need to “complete” my “recovery”, but with where I am at right now…

    Here’s a fun one for ya!

    And you were right; life is trouble; XD XO XD No but seriously, I’m one the edge, feeling like a spiritual successor to Hunter Thompson.

    I never did pay you for your online “therapy”, it doesn’t feel right considering how much it has guided me to where I’m at now. Get ahold of me.

  • This reminds me of that Dianne and Vincent Boothe story that unfolded in the Early to mid 2000’s. The last I found anything on it, maybe 5 years ago, Dianne had gone “psychotic” (gays and lesbians are conspiring with satanists to blahblahblah so the state can take away children), and apparently there has been no finding Vincent. I’m still interested to see whatever happened to DJ Koontz from “the medicated child”, seeing as how he had severe neurological damage and the sort of closed head injury brain damage that … wow, just wow. I wonder where he is today, and why journalists didn’t keep track of any of this.

  • Beginning in the 1980’s and exploding in the 1990’s, child psychiatry barged its way into the school system and millions of kids got caught up in it, especially for ADD/ADHD or “bipolar disorder”, and I’m sure that group homes across the country are full of wards of the state that have this background, and many more dead or suffering with nowhere to turn because society doesn’t really talk about child issues, and adults who’ve had horrific childhoods are expected to just buck up and move on, or become the cash cow on SSI/SSDI for psychiatry. Sometimes, as my story will one day be told, you can be trapped in both identities; a psychiatric victim/’survivor’ and a “disabled mentally ill person”, because there appears to be no real way to move on, especially without societal acknowledgement of the abuse, trauma, brain damage and subsequent ruined-life at the tax payers expense via psychiatry in the schools; and often against the parents wishes, using coercion and threats of taking children away via “medical neglect” as “child abuse” or denying services to parents that refuse to go along with the gravy train and drug their kids for these sick profiteers.

  • Hello, Daniel Kriegman. This is Jeffrey, the same “crazy” Jeffrey you… corresponded? With in the 2000’s quite a bit. The one that once blew your mind regarding something to do with emails. Anyway, I’ll be publishing my personal story soon. Sorry that this is off topic, but it’s about to be not-so; I see that as always, your writing is incredible and must be “studied”, or analyzed. Michigan also has a law for “sexually delinquent persons”, and I ranted about it once on a blog that I don’t think exists anymore. I didn’t have any followers and was just yelling at a cloud, so to speak, and on many issues.

    I’m glad you’re still alive, and hope you are doing well. I am better than ever, and pushing farther every day. Trying not to waste my time anymore. I’m checking out a property that I think has real potential as a safe house for people –

    If I can’t get it through my father, then I hope I may be able to find some other “investor”; someone passionate about creating a safe place for mostly young adults and psychiatric survivors who need to break free from psychiatric shackles and work on aways to find independence.

  • “While I have been a regular reader this site for a while, it’s because of things like this and the article that claimed all religious people are delusional that I generally don’t feel comfortable commenting (let alone donating).”

    MIA, nor it’s authors, ever claimed any expertise or authority. This is a place for discussion, which includes virtually everyone, and virtually all views. It’s especially a place for publishing articles that an author is serious about, but would never be posted elsewhere due to social, political or professional concern. Don’t get personally attached to MIA. It is a place where people who feel silenced and/or otherwise abused by psychiatry/mental health systems, etc, can get published.

    That should remain regardless of whatever else may get caught in the grinder; politics, religion.

  • “How about instead of demanding she be given equal time, we instead simply criticize the Times for publishing Leiberman’s opinion that Trump is a jerk? This is also not news.”

    I would like to think that what powerful or “important” people think is certainly news. It’s something people should want to know. Fox News, etc, frequently reach out to this guy, that guy, expert or radio host, to weigh in with his/her take or opinion. It should be a very small part of the news, but it is news.

  • “When you are taking an anti-depressant or other pharmaceuticals, you can stop taking the pill and your body will naturally flush the chemicals out of your system in time. With TMS, there is no way for your system to do that.”

    I can assure you that there is no return to back to normal after psych drugging, either. At least and especially not in my case being drugged as a child into becoming disabled. Most people can go on to cope and develop work-arounds to function after some drug induced brain and body damage, especially if it were minor, but otherwise, there are people in group homes rocking back and forth, grunting and drooling and bobbing their heads around with tardive dyskinesia because of psychiatric drugs they were put on as children, and as this is NOT politically correct or culturally acceptable to acknowledge for what it is, they remain labelled as mentally ill and are forced to take cocktails of the very drugs that ruined them in the first place.

    Oh, and at an astronomical cost to tax payers while professionals and drug companies have nothing but benefited. Few as lucky as myself to have supportive parents still suffer the damage to their brain resulting in cognitive problems, emotional problems, multitudes of odd and sometimes transient movement and sensation problems, and all that you could expect to result from that; substance abuse and addiction, depression, and words that do not even exist to describe the anxiety, rage and desperation.

    And it is still occurring. Psychiatrists and parents, with support from society, are drugging children with psychotropics to manage emotional and behavioral problems, and “mental illness”, and the professionals and drug companies are still bringing in profit and benefitting.

  • Bippy, the love of my parents is the only reason I’m still here. As soon as they’re gone, out the door I go, so to speak. It’s been agonizing having to live this way, too. Just constantly worrying about your parents, because of course I have a survival instinct and would like to enjoy life, and do in a sense here and there — playing guitar, etc — , but I’m certain that I want nothing to do with this world without them, and so far the world has shown the same attitude toward me.

    This situation has been a race to the grave ever since I was a young adult, just trying to die before my parents. But not wanting to. It’s agonizing.

  • You need to stop shouting, Steve, or I’m going to write in your chart that you’re violently agitated and then have you forcibly injected with “medication”! and of course you won’t be allowed to leave until you convincingly say it was all for your own good and that you’re grateful. (Fuller Torrey and others have outrageously used statistics in this way, discharge surveys so to speak, to “prove” that people find it helpful to be tormented and permanently damaged. It’s not like there’s any power imbalance here or anything to skew stuff like this…)

    But really, I fear that people aren’t going to be amendable to the fact that we need a new economic system, or a change within, and not just because of this, but because we’ve been putting it off for far too long. Science and technology have taken or could take and will take almost all jobs, and that is a good thing. We need to merge into a society devoted to science and the arts, equality, etc…

    But I fear that wars are brewing.

  • A lifetime of revolving through abuse, trauma, rejection, and then loneliness-anxiety-depression-hopelessness induced substance abuse and self destruction as an adult has made me 37 and im elderly health; I even have a colostomy bag after losing my colon to bleeding ulcers.

    Where are these “psychiatric survivors” that are healthy and/or care about their health, beyond making it just a few more days at least? How did they get that way? What would I have to do?

  • “Individuals still need to be held accountable”

    I get angered by opinions like this. You just got done saying that they are not in control of their actions, yet somehow they should be held accountable?

    It reminds me when I used to hang around the psychcentral forums for awhile, and when a news story came out regarding a lawyer fighting to get a person with extreme and disabling social anxiety from going to prison, just trying to find some way to convince the judge of something else; E.g. house arrest.

    Floods of comments from people who should have had all the empathy in the world came in along the line of;

    “It’s lawyers and people like this that give us all such a bad name” and “do the crime, do the time”, etc.

    It’s barbaric, irrational and inhumane.

    And for instance, torturing criminals is not legally allowed, and incarceration should be considered illegal if it involves suffering. People without serious issues have little to no problem with incarceration, they even make friends and get an education, etc. But what is the rationale for locking up emotionally damaged and sensitive people who experience nothing but 24/7 suffering, often in solitary confinement?

  • This is really disturbing to me, considering that I’ve lived most of my life this way, involuntarily.

    I’m referring to being alone. As I read into the article more, it seems they are talking about people placed in a sort of … concentration camp? I don’t think this article makes it clear. Googling quarantine brings up references to things like “isolation” and “staying home”, but also being locked away…

  • Focus on the children. We need far more news, stories, documentaries, etc, regarding the atrocity of child drugging. Seeing kids develop permanent involuntary movement disorders, become disfigured from dystonia, die, etc, and then the obvious … I just think this could all be over quickly if something like a paid airtime video showing kids suffering this, with narration as to how and why, were shown…
    Stick it in peoples faces and see if humanity really is evil after all.

  • And what about the children. I’m still waiting for other victims of childhood psychiatric trauma and brain damage induced child drugging to rise up and at least demand acknowledgement. I know that many of them either got out and are afraid to expose themselves as having been “mentally ill”, while others are trapped in the psych system, cash cows in a coercive and dangerous business enterprise that thrives off the trauma and disability they create for their lifelong patients to-be. How can they be rallied to speak out, when trapped in a group home or under the “care” of a deluded parent that won’t accept the reality of what actually happened?

  • I’ve repeatedly found that there is no help to be found, not even from people who purport to be championing the cause for such people. We’re all on our own, and for some people like myself, even just finding a companion is a life-long failure. With that in mind, prevention is the more reasonable route to go, and society desperately needs to stop letting government play nanny to it’s people and quit restricting access to opioids (and all other drugs, especially in a society where any adult can legally drink and smoke themselves to a miserable death, while afflicting everyone in their life — and society as a whole — in the process) and assisted suicide. One so that people can at least find some way to enjoy what life they can have, and the other for when a reasonable time to exit presents itself.

    Forcing people to endure pain and even continuing to live a unlivable life is a violation of human rights.

  • I’m going to just be blunt. … did I just say that… — deciding whether to go with a stream of consciousness, afterall, it’s what you really think — .

    Raising the minimum wage won’t work without taxing the rich and setting hard caps on salaries. There are too many ego driven -aholes, that when they find out the people “pouring salt on fries” are making nearly as much money as them, will demand their employer pay them more, and the employers will take advantage of that.

    We really need to just tear it all down and start over. We’re living under the brilliance of people who were in awe of such technologies as railroads and lightbulbs.

    Good, the edit feature is back. Humility is what people need. Whatever you’re doing, a computer or machine or computerized machine should be doing it instead. Jeff Bezos and co. have vehicles that can drive themselves, and work like vending machines. Yet right now, being a parcel driver is a good job, one of my nephews works for UPS – is he gonna have a job 10 years from now, and if so, should he?

    The best future for the human species is sciences and the arts, with work being done when it’s needed. That oh so unrealistic utopia. Looks pretty realistic now, doesn’t it? Just pull out your “cell phone” and see what it can do.

    I guarantee this is what will happen if the minimum wage is increased.

    Businesses will see “extra” money is moving about, and adjust their intake accordingly.

    Stopping that from even being possible is necessary before even beginning to try to fight for just more money, which is all the minimum wage is — it’s supposed to be enough money to live off of, but it’s never been. Gee, I wonder why. If you don’t control the amount of money that people in power can demand, all you’re doing is fattening the rich. It’s not even a worthwhile symbolic victory.

  • Absolutely agree with Andrei. If we’re not fighting this as a battle against our opposition, then all we’re doing is whining and arguing. And so long as our opposition has the authorities on their side, then that’s the #1 thing that needs to change. Drugging a child with neuroleptics is absolutely child abuse, and a horrific abuse at that, with permanent consequences. The police should be locking people up for doing this.

  • Things like religion, politics and even social etiquette just truly do not matter to life and existence, they only matter when we, as part of human endeavors, make them matter, and doing so has resulted in almost nothing but harm at every point on the spectrum from social rejection to atrocities like holocausts and crusades.

    People need to just chill out, and find the love for another by realizing they are a vessel for life no different than you, except for all the perceptions that truly don’t matter.

  • I’ve been living much of this philosophy my whole life, really since my earliest memories in childhood, and it’s precisely what got me in so much trouble to begin with — A childhood of drugging, custody battles, forced drugging, adverse reactions to nearly every single drug I was given; escalating diagnosis, culminating in a 4 and a half month long stay at a state mental hospital when I was 13 against both my and my parents demands, narrowly avoiding being shipped off to a group home to live out the rest of my life.

    For some of us at least, I’m sure that help needs to come from others. Solidarity, safety, love and a meaningful social life. Virtually impossible for someone tagged by psychiatry to achieve, and I still live in search of it, hanging on by a thread.

  • That photo is a beautiful “kitty”, say hello to the gremlin; she’s a genius 😉

    Women are the epitome of suffering.

    Could you imagine bringing life to this world, and getting nothing but pain and chaos from it, to eventually find love, and be tucked into the identity of a weak, “pathethic” female?No you can’t and neither can I. Women are bitchin; rock on!

    So says a guy who knows nothing about women, except never to hurt them. Existence is chaos. Life is fragile. In a bad situation, I could incidentally/accidentally kill a baby with my grip. The same grip I would use to build structures for housing and such. It’s a terrible dilemma. I cant remember what this article is about. It really doesn’t matter.

  • I think that the difference is in the complexity and differences of the drugs themselves, their[]… and use within a culture and the purposes for which they are used.

    On one hand, their are drugs that come from nature and have been used for some time with no biological understanding of their[]… and are only now in recent times being studied scientifically from that perspective.

    On the other, there are drugs that are “engineered” by chemists and biologists/neurochemists/etc that work by interfering with the brains natural mechanisms involving the affected neurotransmitter systems.

    Two completely different “realm” of drugs, so to speak, thus there’s bound to be confusions regarding their usage and disposition within an intellectual community.

  • And on another note, so to speak, Maria’s fortitude is incredible. I can only imagine the horrors she experienced, as her experience was not mine. Why is often a bad place to start, but why do only some people have the might to persevere regardless of suffering and the overwhelming reality that this could all end in an instant. To face that fear, I believe, or rather attest to, is something you are forced to do when the shit hits the fan so to speak. There is no other way. Tread carefully, it all begins with safety.

  • I think it’s critically important to go back to emphasizing that the majority of mass shooters were on psych drugs, and that psych drugs, particularly SSRI’s, can make people crazy that way. I know, then you risk being called a scientologist, but I really feel it’s the only way to finally pop this balloon of insanity regarding what psychiatry really is, what they’re really doing, and of course regarding their drugs. Of course the relevance to this article is that the majority of mass shooters kill themselves afterward.

    Also think about that…

    In that situation, shouldn’t someone be surging with adrenaline, defecating and urinating themselves? Puking even. Yet somehow these shooters are chill as ice and then pop goes their head.

    As if they were numbed and desensitized by something…

  • “As real as the opioid epidemic.”

    Perhaps the epidemic of patients being cut off by doctors and having to turn to the streets, resulting in an explosion of fentanyl and herion-laced-with-fentanyl deaths. Back in the 2000’s when doctors were accused (rightly so) of handing opioids out like candy at a parade, annual deaths were in the 4,000-7000 range, reaching a high of around 9,000 in 2009, and even most of those were street drugs, or people mixing opioid pills with alcohol and/or benzos at high doses. There is a very real epidemic of people with chronic pain committing suicide because they are left untreated or undertreated, and an epidemic of desperate people — abandoned by their doctors — having to turn to the streets, where purity and potency is impossible to determine from dealer-to-dealer or even batch-to-batch, fueling the death statistics.

  • “I think the evidence for opiate-induced hyeralgesia is very weak. All the studies I read seemed really agenda-driven, and I’ve never met someone who actually experienced these issues, but I have not worked with many chronic pain patients, only a handful. If this exists, my bet would be it only shows up over 10 ME per day.”

    Meanwhile, millions of people are suffering because of being yanked off their opioids or reduced to inadequate doses, and an alarming number of them are either turning to street drugs or killing themselves.

    Meanwhile, it’s legal for any adult to drink and smoke themselves to death while creating misery for everyone around them and costing society countless amounts of money. Yet it’s opioids that we need a war against? They ought to just be deregulated and available for any adult to purchase online or at a pharmacy. It’s fentanyl and herion laced with fentanyl that’s killing the vast majority of people, and they’re only turning to it because of lack of better options. It’s no mere coincidence that the more healthcare providers and the government has cracked down on opioid prescriptions, the higher the death toll has risen. From 5,000-9,000 a year back in the 2000’s — when doctors are accused of handing them out like candy at a parade — to being around or approaching the 80-90k a year that alcohol reliably kills each year.

  • And of course at least most if not all of the interventions are inevitably going to be or involve psych drugs, brain damaging, sometimes life-destroying, and certainly capable of traumatizing psych drugs. (especially regarding psychiatric hospitalizations and custody battles over refusal to drug a child or a child’s insistence not to take them because of the harm they’re experiencing; oh wait, it’s just kids being silly because ‘kids don’t like medicine, pooey!’ )

    And if you think I’m exaggerating;
    Or more accurately, “must assaulting your child from the inside out, with damages they may never recover from, and damaging the most important organ in their body always involve a game of tag?”

  • “Now he will have to overcome the internal demons and the external pressures and conflicts that landed him in such a dreadful place.”

    And the trauma and brain damage, even if relatively “mild”, that will possibly torment him for the rest of his life.

    Money and people having to do stuff, especially when there’s less and less things that actually need to be getting done due to technology, is the root of this evil. I can’t think of any less important things to be done than the current mental health professions.

  • Your assessment is wrong based on many variables; some of them simple as a placebo effect, others tardive dyskinesia (not mentioned ttbomk) and the general state of being on drugs and how they affect or effect and ultimately affect the human psyche. I could write forever on this but I steadfast on the punisition that people should have a right to choose, so long as they have truly informed consent. And that includes everything, even opioids and psychedelics.

  • “and this preventive effort needs to be combined with efforts to identify and treat patients at high risk for developing numerous debilitating health problems, physical and psychological, related to adverse childhood experiences.”

    And what of the dilemma of psychiatric/”mental health” treatment being an ACE itself? Forced drugging, adverse drug reactions, being segregated and stigmatized and treated differently than other children, being bullied as a result and it being blamed on you, being sent to special schools, being drugged more and more as you naturally resist, developing permanent involuntary movement disorders, being taken away from your parents for refusing to keep drugging you, on and on it goes, eventually becoming a disabled adult on SSI, trapped under that same psychiatric system, hiding the best you can, trying to slip through the cracks while still receiving your monthly pittance.

    But I imagine that will never be considered an ACE. It would just be way too awkward, now wouldn’t it?

  • Well this pretty much explains my childhood and why I’m still a brain damaged disabled miserable bum, counting the months (23) to my next CDR for SSI where I’m re-abused and traumatized all over again in order to get a tiny pittance that for a whole year isn’t what a medicaid funded psychiatrist gets in just a few weeks (literally – 9,000 a year compared to 160-220k a year), yet I’m supposed to be in “treatment” all these years, racking up millions of dollars in medicaid costs throughout my life, so the people that ruined me in the first place can live upper class lives while I’m shamed for occasionally buying some decent food like digornio pizza with my bridge card.

  • They’ve been saying and doing this stuff for 30 years. Even back when I was a kid, it would pop up at least every year; it’s just like protesting, and serves the same purpose. They get together and act like they’re going to accomplish something, bring attention to what they think is wrong, then disperse while patting themselves on the back, and the process repeats itself ad infinitum while child druggers march on.

  • “Why can’t they just let him be? He is no danger to himself or to anyone else. “

    It’s their job, and they get paid a lot of money to do it.

    “have become somewhat cynical and skeptical, partly due to my experiences talking with various psychiatrists over the years regarding my son’s dis-ease. Yet, in spite of my son’s treatment, I do want to acknowledge that there are psychiatrists and psychologists around the world who are not so closed-minded and who are doing work that is beneficial. “

    Have you had this experience with a psychiatrist, and if so, are you sure they weren’t just humoring you since they obviously weren’t involved in your sons treatment (else they’d stop it if they truly cared)? Or do you mean in the sense of writing books critical of psychiatry, or otherwise being critical of the profession?

    I’ve observed that many of the worst psychiatrists I’d ever been harmed by would turn around and tell other people, including and especially my parents, things that demonstrated them being completely two-faced. And of course David Healey has been criticized for just that; attacking “anti-depressants” in the guise of patient safety while advocating for and profiting from electroshock.

    E.G.: Suffering from dyskinesia and intermittent dystonia following a days long dystonic reaction, being told that it’s just a “side effect” and even that I’ll “get used to it” and being left on the drug that caused it, then hearing that psychiatrist tell my horrified parents visiting me at the hospital something along the lines of “oh yes, so terrible, 1 in 6000 it’s so rare, we’re doing everything we can, it should be over soon. Oh no it’s not permanent, it’s an allergic reaction, we took him off that ‘medication’ and put him on another and it’s gotten better, soon it will go away and we’ll get his meds sorted out, like finding the right keys to the locks.”

    And all the meanwhile I was still on the very drug that caused the dystonic reaction (risperdal) and was just doped up on benadryl and cogentin for as long as I was there.

  • Well of course, those drugs permanently damage the dopaminergic system in the brain. Not even having to adhere to the biochemical-is-all view, the dopaminergic system is certainly important to happiness and joy and especially euphoria. It’s been known for generations, both in society and in science, that most (and to some degree I’m sure it’s all) cocaine users lose their abilities to experience joy in at least the first several years they come off the drug and especially in the first few months. And, of course, ADHD drugs are just pharmaceutical cocaine.

    And many of these ADHD kids will spend their lives abusing drugs that get normal people high, just so they can experience the normal feeling of natural joy, or something similar at least.

    The drugging of children will go down in history as the greatest human atrocity, and for far more many reasons than this too.

  • Well the powers that be already know without a doubt that neuroleptic so called “anti-psychotic” drugs cause permanent brain damage, and as Whitaker and others (Lars Martensson, Elliot Valenstein) have documented, psychiatry has known this since the very beginning, at least in the upper echelons.

    Yet millions of children are forced to take them anyway. Many millions of more throughout time, even back in my generation – early and mid 1990’s. Damaging children’s brains just isn’t a big deal to psychiatry, the FDA, the law and the police and courts that enforce it – the same people that, in most states at least, would arrest and charge a parent for harming a child in some physical, non-permanent way such as a bruise. But brain damage has just become a fact of life, along with all its consequences; permanent involuntary movement disorders, sensation disorders, cognitive problems, emotional problems, behavioral problems, and I’m sure there’s many more.

    But apparently not a big deal because a “doctor” said they were sick and that is that.

  • And of course since they’re bound to make up nonsense about it being rare and rarely permanent, “Shouldn’t psychiatry be held responsible for when this does happen? Most people who suffer this wind up on SSI and stay trapped in the mental health system the rest of their life while living in poverty, where they’re often coerced or forced to continue taking the same type of drugs. Why isn’t this considered medical malpractice, or even a human rights violation? Would you do this to your own child if you have one?”

    And of course, pry into just how little (routinely nothing) they look for evidence of child abuse, or how the parents and/or the environment may be impossible for any child to grow up healthy in.

    Then again, PBS’s “the medicated child” showed a kid develop TD, and the parents with the female child on thorazine that went on to become celebrities. The father wrote a book where he admitted to abusing her, even shaking her as a baby, and from the “my kid has bipolar disorder” crowd, HE GOT SYMPATHY!

    Where is the investigation into that? Psychiatry; letting bad people off the hook by silencing (even destroying) their victims. It’s what their profession truly does, and why it was even created. Asylums were the first prisons, to lock up “the fools” at most often their families request to avoid embarrassment for them not conforming to social and cultural norms.

    It’s wasn’t even long ago, 1950’s and 60’s and even into the 70’s, that a husband could commit his wife to the “mental hospital” for trying to divorce him; parent’s could have their gay or transgender teen locked up, electroshocked, destroyed even, ultimately hidden from sight. I’ve come across many anecdotes online suggesting that the latter still happens, just with some smoke and mirrors to suggest they’re doing it for other reasons. They don’t, or at least rarely, treat the patient for their own good, as the patient sees and feels and ultimately prefers it. If they did, I’m sure many people would prefer humane and empathetic treatments, which are virtually nonexistent and far from the standard, especially if you’re not rich. Most prescriptions written for psych drugs for demanding pill poppers are written by general docs/family docs anyway. By the time you get to psychiatry, it’s a matter of control, not of improvement and quality of life. If it were, they certainly wouldn’t use drugs that cause brain damage, certainly without admitting it and giving everyone a choice without coercion. That’s the discussion our society ought to be having; can brain damage ethically be considered medicine, and if so, when? And what’s the difference between that and bashing someone’s head to zonk them out? Does calling it medicine really change the reality of the damage that’s being done to people, that if it were called anything else, would we even be having this discussion or would it already be illegal due to the bill of rights?

    All in the name of medicine, by people who are legally recognized as doctors, but with more authority than police officers and since mental health courts are kangaroo courts, more authority than even the courts.

  • Doesn’t appear to be any mention of drugging. As much as people are going to have bleeding hearts for this story, I’d personally say this person got off easy, and I’d love to trade places with them if I could anyway. Considering I’m still suffering the effects of the neuroleptics drugs I was forced on when I was 13 over 20 years ago at Hawthorne center in northville/livonia, I would had taken corporal punishment with a smile in comparison. Oh and I would love to hear the journalist hit them with this one too; “Aren’t there other ways to correct children’s behavior that doesn’t cause permanent brain damage? Psychiatry admits that these disorders weren’t made up and aren’t new and have been around since recorded history, is this the first time in history that child rearing has involved causing permanent brain damage using medical treatments?”

    The worst assault, battery and torture is done physiologically within. The rest is just life, as brutal as it can be, and people have evolved to overcome it; you cant overcome brain damage induced movement disorders anymore than you can overcome cerebral palsy. Maybe find some happiness here and there anyway, but your “life”, in a normal-persons sense; occupation, love-life, etc, is over.

    Even psychiatry tacitly admits this is numerous ways; denying tardive dyskinesia’s existence for 20 years, almost no research at all into the “disorder”, rejecting the fact the drugs even cause brain damage (to which they do far beyond that which produces TD), and admitting in textbooks and training manuals that the only way to treat TD is “prophylactically” and yet go on to prescribe, coerce and even force the drugs on just about everyone, including millions of childrens, oh but of course they’re still in denial of the new ones causing it or having unsubstantiated beliefs like the number is “1 in 6,000″ or that so many movement disorders and symptoms of neurological damage by neuroleptics/”antipsychotics” isn’t TD because it doesn’t mirror an exact description of just one variant of it, and of course they never diagnose it either.

    I really wish a journalist would do a “hit-piece” on this, especially in regards to children and forced drugging. See an old video of little jimmy or sarah doing O.K., but then one day blahblahblah wouldn’t go to school or started having temper tantrums, then all the sudden they’re rocking back and forth grunting, turning their head, pulling their shoulders up, twisting and contorting in ways most people didn’t think was possible. Then stick a camera in a psychiatrists face and ask how this is an appropriate children’s medication for “behavioral healthcare/medicine.” – something that shouldn’t even exist, the term itself sounds borne of human rights violations. Oh and I would love to hear the journalist pull this question out “Psychiatry claims these disorders weren’t made up and have been around at least since recorded history, are there any other ways to correct behavior or otherwise rear children without using medicine to cause permanent brain damage?” Oh and this one “Psychiatry’s biggest claim of the last 50 or so years are that mental illnesses are brain illnesses, that brain health is essential to mental health and wellbeing, wouldn’t drug-induced brain damage contradict the goals of psychiatry?”

  • It should be mentioned, acknowledged by everyone in this discussion, that drugging children and trapping them in the psych system is an ACE itself; a life-shattering and truly traumatic one as well in my experience, which I’m sure is not unique. Especially when the child is practically (if not literally) kicking and screaming to be off the drugs, but gets forcibly drugged anyway. And of course these drugs are almost always being used to try to sweep other physical or sexual abuse under the rug, especially when they are used for behavioral control, which is very common. In some ways, that can be considered worse than rape. The “side effects”, the feeling of being harmed that last for days, weeks, months on end to which there is no escape, not even when you’re alone and in the safest physical space you could be in. A torment with no respite, not even for a moment, until at least the child becomes an adult and discovers alcohol and/or herion, such as I did and then that’s a relief followed by a suffering that’s at least a good distraction. The permanent brain damage — it never goes away, especially if you develop an involuntary movement disorder, or vision focusing problems, dystonia, etc. Psychiatric drugs can and often do harm children in ways that they literally can not possibly recover from, not with all the therapy in the world. At least with psychological harms there is hope. But the brain damage caused by psychiatric drugs, particularly neuroleptics, produces permanent damage to the most important organ in the body, and I’m sure the total count of in what ways this has adversely affected children for the rest of their lives will never be fully assessed, it’s undoubtedly a countless number of ways. Yet it’s rampant and I’ve almost never heard anyone writing articles like this address it, let along explain the atrocity of it.

  • And this is exactly what people were saying in the 1990’s. Except it was actually much more controversial and more damning for psychiatry, yet here we are.

    1990: “The numbers of children being prescribed dangerous amphetamines for a controversial diagnosis continues to soar, blah blah blah blah blah.”

    2018: “Lancet Psychiatry, highlighted the ‘urgent need to refine evidence-based guidelines for stimulant prescribing’. However, despite this ballooning use of stimulants, Sibley goes on to suggest that those with ‘legitimate’ ADHD ‘fail to receive treatment’ due to ‘stigma’ and problems with ‘stimulant acceptability'”

  • This is what I don’t like about discussions. Would we be discussing the end of our lives if people had guns to our faces? This is going on. The children bare the most of this deceit and opportunity to make a difference. We need to free them from the group homes, and the parents that enslave them, often into their 20’s and 30’s, and eventually into death. I narrowly avoided it. I want more people like me to buck the system. We’d be good at it. Kids that are forced to take psychiatric drugs, especially neuroleptic drugs, especially after they’ve begun developing permanent movement disorders/dystonia, in forced settings as usual, some of which die — all of which will die prematurely — are going to be looked back at in the future (if the truth gets known) as being this generations victims of human atrocity, like Jews in the holocaust.

  • More and more and more people will just turn to alcohol, so perfectly legal and cheap anywhere you go.

    The DEA cracking down on opiods is exactly why there’s been a huge increase in the amount of herion (most of it laced with deadly fentanyl) on the streets, and it’s just that which is driving the death tolls, not prescriptions for norco or oxycontin, and yes that gateway drug “1 in 4″ become addicts” is a myth and has been refuted by researchers. And nevermind that the DEA’s job is to fight Richard Nixon’s war on drugs, not to get involved in people’s healthcare, no wonder they don’t seem the slightest bit disturbed by this massive increase of herion+fentanyl on the streets, it just ensures their survival as tax payer funded professionals for another generation.

    I’m as anti-psych drug as I think a person can get while still remaining reasonable, but benzos should be left alone. They’ve saved my life at least a few times. There are many people that at some point during the year will reach a breaking point that could lead immediately to suicide or impulsively violent behavior, and without that xanax or klonopin or whatever benzo to reach for to knock them down a bit for awhile, they and whoever their victims would be (including, especially those that love them) are doomed.

    Lest they make it to the liquor store and down a bottle of bourbon in time, but of course everyone knows that alcohol is good for you and has never messed people’s lives up or caused society any trouble let alone killed anyone.

  • “Second, we will implement a method where comments can be “liked.” This will give you, as community members, the chance to self-select the responses that you feel add value to the discussion. In addition, you will be able to view comments sorted by the oldest, newest, or highest rated.”

    I’m not sure if I’m the first to say it, but this is a very bad idea. It’s going to lead to mob-rule. Wherein the clique of users on this site that comment the most can essentially take over the comment section by liking each others and outnumbering the dissenters. Most people, on any site, select “highest rated” for anything anywhere even if to just get an idea of what the “community” is like. Before this is implemented I think it should at least be given much more thought.

    Perhaps a better, and perhaps revolutionary system would be to just categorize comments along the lines of those who liked the article, those who didn’t, putting comments in sections of “approval”, “disapproval”, “correction / addition”, whatever.

    This way instead of the dissenters to whatever the popular view is at the time and place getting buried into oblivion, they just appear in their own section, and people would curiously browse them separately.

  • In the United States they work hand-in-hand with child protective services or whatever they are called in certain area’s and just have the children taken away from the parents over medical neglect allegations. It happened to me as a child more than once and that was in the 1990’s. It’s gotten much worse since then. It’s a slam-dunk if the school’s are involved and they can play the truancy card — “contributing to the delinquency of a minor” > but he can’t go to school because they wont let him unless he’s on “meds” > parents refuse to force kid to take “meds” > child taken away from parents and drugged in foster care.

    External and internal trauma + brain damage = super slam dunk for psychiatry. Another child psychiatrist with yet another notch in their belt, patting themselves on the back for keeping yet another genetic defect from disrupting the normies by giving that useless eater the whooping of a lifetime, and from the inside out at that. Big, big man. Or powerful, powerful woman. And with 160k a year salary, too. Almost entirely tax-payer funded, of course. Don’t mention that though if you’re a patient or parent of a child with “mental illness”, I mean if you thought pointing that out to a police officer was bad, be prepared to meet them along with an ambulance if you insult a psychiatrist that way. Someone threatened to kill themselves or someone else? Your word against theirs.

  • “If they won’t even chase people accused of felonies logic dictates that chances are 99.999% certain no one is going to bother looking for or doing anything about someone that ditched on a forced drugging order.”

    But you’re neglecting to acknowledge that criminals have rights and their due process is actually real and probably no less than a million lawyers and the Supreme Court’s fight for their rights all the time. The mentally ill are in a class well below fleeing felons.

  • This is a 20 year old discussion. People have already made up their minds and at best you’re asking history to repeat itself. If you have a problem with it then move on to legislation because diagnosing and drugging children is in fact child abuse.

  • “Being held down kicking and screaming to be injected with a benzodiazepine.”

    Just think: that’s nothing compared to neuroleptics. I had numerous forced injections of neuroleptics as a child, and developed dystonia. Terrifying, torturous experiences that left me terrified even months (and even to this day when dealing with doctors, especially psychiatrists or even any part of the mental health system) after the symptoms of that brain damage wore off. Although symptoms of the brain damage from all my childhood drugging is still present and ruining my life, just be glad you didn’t get to be a psych kid 5-15 years later. Benzos in children in the 90’s? NO WAY! That’s a DRUG! They use that on the STREET! You would have gotten Haldol, an “anti-psychotic” “medication” that’s “oh so wonderfully helpful” and to this date people are considered delusional by the medical professionals if they disagree that neuroleptics are just the chemical lobotomies that they are.

    And yeah, all off this is happening to millions of children of this generation and the one before it. And don’t forget that ALL children are forced to take these drugs, since none of them are given a choice and will be coerced and even punished if they don’t. Now imagine all the “side effects”/damage and especially the permanent ones and how a child must internalize that given those circumstances. I gave up hope a long time ago that anything will change. Had MILITARY POWER not have defeated Nazi Germany, the whole world would just be glossing over and/or rationalizing or denying stuff like the holocaust and eugenics. It’s the way people work. As long as something is approved by the authorities in our society, it will continue to be and anyone against it is a wackjob.

  • “If Engineer and others who want to get rid of Trump continue using typically hypocritical and irrelevant liberal arguments based on playing with the vote count, manipulating the Electoral College, etc.”

    You’re not the same guy but you’re having problems with paragraphs too.


    “They will guarantee themselves a long season of marching around and shouting their protests at the sky, and an endless reservoir of things to be outraged about.”

  • Paragraphs, please.

    “Actually, if we are a country “divided” it is 50% who voted, and 50% who did not.”

    It’s the electorate. The electoral college could still this over but they wont. Something like this happened in the Bush-Gore election.

    “And, I am sorry, civics teachers, the one who chooses not to vote has ever right to complain,”

    Absolutely agree.

    This is one of the great things of living in nation that hopefully cherishes freedom. Thank you.”

    once again, you are welcome.

  • MIA staff ignore the report I hit the wrong link again.

    “A plausible theory I’ve heard is that the Republican establishment could help set him up to be impeached”

    Yes they absolutely could. That’s my whole point. He needs to tow the party line, but he’s not exactly what you think he is.

    Thinking about this another way; we have a president-elect who is a sexually deviant, racist, made fun of a great man with “disability”, said the most outrageous shit ever.

    My only fear is a hope (unfulfilled) damn I left that out I’m really glad MIA brought back the edit feature. I hope my theory about him is true; that’s he just trolled you all and manipulated the voters.

  • Trump’s demeanor changed very quickly as president-elect. Trump is not what he appears to be. Mike Pence is exactly what he appears to be, and is probably the most terrifying person in the world right now. If Trump gets impeached or dies, Pence is the last guy we want with control over weapons of mass destruction.

    Trump just played everyone. He’s smarter than you think. Beg for a Trump Vs Pence presidency. Nobody should want Mike Pence as president.

  • I lived with a visible TD as a teenager, over time it has become a teeth and jaw clenching thing. Nobody I meet knows I have it unless I have to talk to them. I’m 33 now and sometimes it goes away. Antihistamines like benadryl make it worse, way worse, but drugs like alcohol make it way better. Funny that.

    Children have no power. Everything you know about the effects of these drugs is on adults. Nobody ever bothered to find and know the effects of these drugs on children.

  • “To murder is human. To mass murder needs a regulatory apparatus.”

    The nazi’s were just following orders. Atrocities occur because people feel weak on their own. When it’s all said and done, only a small percentage of us refused the orders.

  • I’ve detoxed in several ER’s and rehab centers, not one of them used Niacin. It’s because I’m so skeptical about doctors and medicine that I learned so much about this topic in the first place (alcohol withdrawals and the do’s and don’ts of managing them)

    It’s also common knowledge that Niacin in high doses causes liver damage. It’s even been in the news over the years and with discussions about legally restricting it as a dietary supplement because of it.

  • It’s actually central nervous system excitation that makes alcohol withdrawals dangerous and produces the symptoms of acute alcohol withdrawal syndrome that can lead to delirium tremens. Nutrition has absolutely nothing to do with it (“wet brain” is another issue and thiamine is used to treat it). It’s because alcohol is a powerful CNS depressant, and of course the brain makes compensatory adaptations to changes in its normal functioning (decrease CNS, brain works to increase it; this is how tolerance develops in the first place)

    But I’m really only replying because I think your recommendation of niacin is dangerous. Niacin in high doses is very toxic to the liver and a chronic alcohol user likely already has fatty liver and increased liver enzymes (impaired liver function)

    The only tried-and-true treatment for alcohol withdrawal are substituting the CNS depressant effects of alcohol with a drug (benzos or barbituates) that also depresses the CNS and then tapering them off of that.

  • Somewhere a child is suffering “EPS”, dystonia,the inner muscles s of their mouth lock up, and their chest. They can struggle to swallow, struggle to breath. The nurses will call it “EPS”, a side effect of the “medication” and float their way one through their job disregarding you because you had the benadryl and cogentin. People need to stop talking and start acting. Power is power. Words have no power. No child should suffer what I went through.

  • Wow, there are a lot of comments here, all preaching to the choir, at least as far as I got through them.

    Nothing is going to change. It doesn’t matter whose right or who isn’t. Power is power. It exists independent of what is right. That’s how we got here in the first place.

  • I hate to always be such a downer, but psychiatry and it’s drug pushing is by far more powerful than ever. Tim Murphy’s bill even passed the senate with only one dissenting vote. It wont be long before family doctors / general practitioners are forced to screen their patients for depression. Schools are already doing such screenings for children and in many area’s forcing parents to comply with both the screening and the treatments that follow, with the power of child protective services at their disposal. This is on the verge of becoming a federal mandate.

    Meanwhile, psych drug prescribing is continuing to climb steadily, every year being more than the last.

    It’s depressing to think about, but this side of the fence is losing horribly.

  • “They just keep make it worse for themselves by opening their mouths / uncapping their pens.”

    Not at all, because their article is being read by mostly psychiatrists and some other mental health professionals, who take everything they say on face value, a tiny percent of which would ever actually come here and read Whitaker’s.