Wednesday, December 13, 2017

Comments by JeffreyC

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  • “If Engineer and others who want to get rid of Trump continue using typically hypocritical and irrelevant liberal arguments based on playing with the vote count, manipulating the Electoral College, etc.”

    You’re not the same guy but you’re having problems with paragraphs too.

    >>

    “They will guarantee themselves a long season of marching around and shouting their protests at the sky, and an endless reservoir of things to be outraged about.”

  • Paragraphs, please.

    “Actually, if we are a country “divided” it is 50% who voted, and 50% who did not.”

    It’s the electorate. The electoral college could still this over but they wont. Something like this happened in the Bush-Gore election.

    “And, I am sorry, civics teachers, the one who chooses not to vote has ever right to complain,”

    Absolutely agree.

    This is one of the great things of living in nation that hopefully cherishes freedom. Thank you.”

    once again, you are welcome.

  • MIA staff ignore the report I hit the wrong link again.

    “A plausible theory I’ve heard is that the Republican establishment could help set him up to be impeached”

    Yes they absolutely could. That’s my whole point. He needs to tow the party line, but he’s not exactly what you think he is.

    Thinking about this another way; we have a president-elect who is a sexually deviant, racist, made fun of a great man with “disability”, said the most outrageous shit ever.

    My only fear is a hope (unfulfilled) damn I left that out I’m really glad MIA brought back the edit feature. I hope my theory about him is true; that’s he just trolled you all and manipulated the voters.

  • Trump’s demeanor changed very quickly as president-elect. Trump is not what he appears to be. Mike Pence is exactly what he appears to be, and is probably the most terrifying person in the world right now. If Trump gets impeached or dies, Pence is the last guy we want with control over weapons of mass destruction.

    Trump just played everyone. He’s smarter than you think. Beg for a Trump Vs Pence presidency. Nobody should want Mike Pence as president.

  • I lived with a visible TD as a teenager, over time it has become a teeth and jaw clenching thing. Nobody I meet knows I have it unless I have to talk to them. I’m 33 now and sometimes it goes away. Antihistamines like benadryl make it worse, way worse, but drugs like alcohol make it way better. Funny that.

    Children have no power. Everything you know about the effects of these drugs is on adults. Nobody ever bothered to find and know the effects of these drugs on children.

  • “To murder is human. To mass murder needs a regulatory apparatus.”

    The nazi’s were just following orders. Atrocities occur because people feel weak on their own. When it’s all said and done, only a small percentage of us refused the orders.

  • I’ve detoxed in several ER’s and rehab centers, not one of them used Niacin. It’s because I’m so skeptical about doctors and medicine that I learned so much about this topic in the first place (alcohol withdrawals and the do’s and don’ts of managing them)

    It’s also common knowledge that Niacin in high doses causes liver damage. It’s even been in the news over the years and with discussions about legally restricting it as a dietary supplement because of it.

  • It’s actually central nervous system excitation that makes alcohol withdrawals dangerous and produces the symptoms of acute alcohol withdrawal syndrome that can lead to delirium tremens. Nutrition has absolutely nothing to do with it (“wet brain” is another issue and thiamine is used to treat it). It’s because alcohol is a powerful CNS depressant, and of course the brain makes compensatory adaptations to changes in its normal functioning (decrease CNS, brain works to increase it; this is how tolerance develops in the first place)

    But I’m really only replying because I think your recommendation of niacin is dangerous. Niacin in high doses is very toxic to the liver and a chronic alcohol user likely already has fatty liver and increased liver enzymes (impaired liver function)

    The only tried-and-true treatment for alcohol withdrawal are substituting the CNS depressant effects of alcohol with a drug (benzos or barbituates) that also depresses the CNS and then tapering them off of that.

  • Somewhere a child is suffering “EPS”, dystonia,the inner muscles s of their mouth lock up, and their chest. They can struggle to swallow, struggle to breath. The nurses will call it “EPS”, a side effect of the “medication” and float their way one through their job disregarding you because you had the benadryl and cogentin. People need to stop talking and start acting. Power is power. Words have no power. No child should suffer what I went through.

  • Wow, there are a lot of comments here, all preaching to the choir, at least as far as I got through them.

    Nothing is going to change. It doesn’t matter whose right or who isn’t. Power is power. It exists independent of what is right. That’s how we got here in the first place.

  • I hate to always be such a downer, but psychiatry and it’s drug pushing is by far more powerful than ever. Tim Murphy’s bill even passed the senate with only one dissenting vote. It wont be long before family doctors / general practitioners are forced to screen their patients for depression. Schools are already doing such screenings for children and in many area’s forcing parents to comply with both the screening and the treatments that follow, with the power of child protective services at their disposal. This is on the verge of becoming a federal mandate.

    Meanwhile, psych drug prescribing is continuing to climb steadily, every year being more than the last.

    It’s depressing to think about, but this side of the fence is losing horribly.

  • “They just keep make it worse for themselves by opening their mouths / uncapping their pens.”

    Not at all, because their article is being read by mostly psychiatrists and some other mental health professionals, who take everything they say on face value, a tiny percent of which would ever actually come here and read Whitaker’s.

  • “I want to get out of this medieval torture chamber in one piece. I do not want to come out with brain damage, neurological disease such as tardive dyskinesia, cognitive impairment, cardiovascular problems, shortened life expectancy or severe psychological trauma, with nothing but a monthly disability check and government subsidized housing as “compensation” for my sufferings in this brutal system.”

    This is my life, although my brain damaging, life destroying experience with psychiatry was during childhood (with a handful of encounters as a guy having to spend his entire adult life on SSI/disability)

    “Let me make myself clear: I want to see psychiatrists punished for the criminal frauds and quacks that they are, perhaps before an international tribunal.”

    I’ve been saying this for years, but I refer to it as them being charged with crimes against humanity in nuremberg-esque trials.

  • Pretty sure I read about them knowing this decades and decades ago. Was in Elliot Valensteins Book Blaming the Brain as well as Whitaker’s Mad in America. Yes, let’s just keep blowing money of running the same sort of research studies over and over and over to come up with the same results because after-all, some people demand six-figures in paychecks.

  • I live under a rock, not literally of course. I wasn’t able to catch the airing but I would like a summary of it. I scanned the posts here the best I could and didn’t find anything that caught my eye. To be honest though I might have missed it as I glance through the articles on the front page. I’m looking for Robert Whitaker. I’m almost totally blind at the moment, I can only read through the corner of my eye, it’s a long story that’s NOYB. I’ve been here for an hour and cant find anything relevant to this. That’s not to say it’s not here, but in my current state I can not find it. Where is Whitaker’s take on this? I would read that how ever hard I had to struggle to do so.

  • It’s important to sum things up. I’ll do just that; psychiatry and the “mental healthy” professions rely on money and prestige, the latter of which produces for the the former.

    Whitaker has now, and often times before, proposed a question that is still unanswered;

    “How can we yank power from a medical discipline that resides within such a dissonant state, and yet has such an impact on our lives?”

    Stop ruminating. Stop “acting”, stop protesting and stop arguing. Start thinking.

  • “that studied the connection between benzodiazepines and mortality.”
    Actually, that should say the connection between ABUSING BENZODIAZAPINES WITH ILLICIT DRUGS AND MORTALITY. There has been a lot hate and attack toward benzos in the media these last several months and it has been growing for years, but has it really gotten to the point where a long-term high-tolerance herion addict is injecting enough herion to knock a horse out for surgery, then takes half a bottle of xanax and dies… and we’ll blame the xanax? Attack the doctors who prescribe it? Seek legislation to restrict them and make a million legitimate patients have to fight tooth and nail to get them? Then the tragic irony is that then anxiety patients are just put on neuroleptics like seroquel/abilify/latuda/risperdal, etc or so called “anti-depressants”, which not only don’t work but often make symptoms of anxiety and panic attacks worse and are way, way more, astronomically more dangerous and harmful (and even permanently so, and completely on their own) than the benzodiazapines.

    We’re almost there… “Hey doctor, I’ve having constant anxiety attacks, it’s screwing with my neurological system, I get massive chest pains, shaking fits, I cant feel myself breathing and then I panic because I think I’m dying! I feel this pressure just building in my skull and sinuses sometimes, and it literally makes me have to scream without control and I tore a chunk of my hair out the other day. My throat is tight when I swallow and muscles in my upper abs keep involuntary clenching and…”

    Doctor: “Stop, just stop right there. Well, in the past I’d give you some ativan or klonopin or something. It works 100% of the time as it’s just a simple central nervous system depressant. But, those drugs are supposedly dangerous now, so I’ll prescribe you some risperdal/seroquel/abilify,etc instead. Ironically, these can cause those symptoms in 12 to 30% of the people who take them and cause serious adverse reactions that could even drive you to impulsive suicide. There’s no evidence or otherwise any good reason to think they might help, but they’re all that we “ethically” have now because they’re not controlled substances. Oh and they can cause permanent brain damage, including permanent involuntary movement disorders and life-threatening metabolic disorders, as well as the development of compulsive behaviors and addictions, apathy, malaise, etc. Oh and the life expectancies of people who take them are 25 years less than that of the general population. But I cant give you the xanax anymore. Those drugs are dangerous! They might kill you if you abuse them with alcohol and/or opiates!”

    In a country where anyone over the age of 21 can go to any grocery store, department store or corner store in the country and buy all the alcohol and tobacco they can afford and drink and smoke themselves to death if they want, JUST FOR FUN, there is absolutely no good reason that doctors should be gatekeepers to anything. If aliens with advanced intelligence came down to Earth, this is one of the many ridiculous and illogical things about our species that they’d be shaking their heads at.

  • Yeah, it’s become a mind field that might be all for the better if not for a lack of real mental health services, in place of typical “mental health” business-as-usual. I just got back from my final appointment with this GP. He “progressed” some no longer trying to refer me to psychiatric treatment by giving me an ultimatum; that he would only continue prescribing me xanax if I agreed to take other “medication” that would “help me more.” He was right in his statements that the body adjusts to xanax very quickly and that continued “treatment” with it would result in the need for periodic dosage increases and an eventual “horrendous withdrawal syndrome”, so for his accuracy in that I’ll give him credit. It’s just too bad that some of the more “enlightened” doctors still have a generation to go before they finally have it all sorts out. For crying out loud, he recommended wellbutrin and abilify; wont even go into the experience I had on wellbutrin as a late teen and the horrific “anxiety” it induces, a neurological episode that made me thought I was having a constant seizure while somehow swallowing my own stomach every second. But to even be on 10mg of xanax a day would be astronomically “safer” than a neuroleptic like abilify. I plan on tapering off of xanax with the final RX he gave me, “the final” being his words. I see no point in trying to find a new GP since this is all in my medical reports and I’m surely been documented as a “doctor shopper by now”… I only wish that there were real help for me. I never would have went back on benzos if there were and now that I wouldn’t “need” them if I had access to real treatment.

  • I sent the original article to my current GP’s office a couple of weeks ago after “my doctor”s physician’s assistant tried to refer me to psychiatric treatment. This was after I already told this new GP how I had felt about him referring me to psychiatric treatment based on the combination of the facts I have a psychiatric history in my medical record and was asking for a prescription for xanax. I’m not sure if anyone read it or not, but I think it’s currently by and far the greatest article to use in that situation and I’m glad it’s at least available.

  • “Morphine calms and induces sleep.”

    Not necessarily. Many people experience agitation and anxiety from opiates. My father is one of those people and I am when it comes to certain ones, especially oxycontin. Much of if not virtually all of the people mixing opiates with benzos are doing it for this reason, since the two drugs do not have desirable effects that go good together (opiates can create a sense of euphoria and dream-like dissociation, benzos make you lethargic and create a sense of dysphoria and boredom)

  • “I have no answer but I know that I have seen so many people suffer off any medication or without any treatment who could not identify that they had any problems and the 180 turn around when they finally are treated.”

    But there is a serious confounding factor not being taken into account in virtually every situation like this and it’s that a long line of research — which has been in some way unintentionally replicated or supported by other studies many times over — suggesting that this is usually due to brain alterations caused by the drugs, either iatrogenic damages to the brain and/or a drug withdrawal syndrome. Even mainstream psychiatry’s most beloved and accepted research shows that over the long-term, the symptomatology of “chronic disorders” typically change in both form and severity — something that has for generations been arbitrarily blamed on “the underlying illness” being degenerative, but which scientific research has shown would be much better explained by the effects of psychiatric drugs on the brain.

    Even in times when this is not the case (really, especially in times when this is not the case), there is a robust and growing amount of research showing that non-drug therapies are at least as effective in helping these people. Even aside from the brain damage evidence, considering the serious and irrefutable harms caused by these drugs such as permanent involuntary movement disorders and life-threatening metabolic disorders, I would not consider it to be of good moral or ethical integrity to support these drugs when 1) there’s a long line of scientific research to suggest the drugs are responsible, at least to a significant degree and 2) relatively benign and helpful treatments are not being given the respect they deserve, thus are almost never available and even when used are typically done in a back-handed way by biased people who hope and expect the treatment to fail in support of their own favored business-as-usual.

  • Yeah, that’s actually a very good strategy. One of the major disagreements I always had with the MFI folk, is that if the law is on their side but the victims aren’t willing to break the law to exact justice, then what exactly might even possibly stop the atrocious victimization’s from occurring? Protests. That’s right; “blow up” the phones by trying to call them 500 times a day, try to get 10-20 people to stand outside the hospital holding signs then try to get a journalist to “cover” it because supposedly then a THOUSAND people might show up! Ridiculous. Protesting has never accomplished anything. It’s not but annoyance, and if anything that only fuels your oppositions disdain for you even more. A recklessly dangerous thing to do when the health and well-being of the person you’re protesting for is in the control of the haughty professionals you’re protesting.

    Let a forced drugger know how seriously you feel about it, how there’s zero chance that you’ll “let it go” at ANY length of time and how “functional” you’ll be in “such matters” and unless you’re a ward of the state he can have shipped off to a group home 100 miles into the middle of nowhere, your odds of escaping that needle have just gone up astronomically. If one person who made that stand got the needle and followed through with natural justice, the odds that anyone would escape the needle from then on would go up astronomically.

    Like it for not, violence and “terrorism” work. If not, then tell me why the media wont show a picture of mohammad.

  • “One wonders what happens in the minds of these professionals when they read articles showing how psychiatric drugs cause permanent damage and even death – when they read what happened to Luise. Do they feel guilt? Shame? Panic? Fear? Love and blessings to you Dorrit – and Luise.”

    They don’t read it. It’s routine in psychiatry to ignore stuff like this, or to shrug it off as nonsense otherwise. As Whitaker has documented in his books on psychiatry and its history, there was no point throughout time where the profession wasn’t being hammered by complaints of grave harm and even torture being done by them to their patients, combined with no absence of studies revealing that these atrocities for their patients were real. The result? They ignored it and re-wrote their own history and are still busy patting each other on the backs and reassuring each other that their PR campaigns will continue to give them credence with the public and make their victims powerless for yet another generation.

  • I would strongly disagree. Seroquel is a neuroleptic just like any other, and the one and only time I took it (after naively being convinced it wasn’t a neuroleptic back in the late 90’s when I didn’t have the sort of access to information I do now), it made me dystonic and gave me sleep payalysis. I was certain it was a neuroleptic not even an hour after I took it, and I would turn out to be right.

  • I’ve glanced at headlines and articles referring to the use of neuroleptics in parkinsons patients before and have never really been able to comprehend it. My brain just locks, it freezes. I’m struggling, to grasp the absurdity in using a drug that blocks/reduces dopamine in the brain in people whose disease causes its symptoms and suffering by doing the same thing.

    I still cant grasp it. Neither have I ever been able to grasp the reality of how doctors use neuroleptic drugs in patients on mechanical ventilators and who have fevers or for whatever reason are “delirious”…

    It just cant really be happening. Could any doctor, let alone thousands of doctors, really be that stupid and dangerously psychotic? And if so, why would it be allowed?

  • Morphine is worthless. When I was in the hospital with an ulcerative colitis flareup they kept giving me shot after shot after shot after shot of morphine and it didn’t do a damn thing. It dropped a 7 out of 10 pain down to about a 6.8 out of 10. It got to the point that if they were to continue having to use morphine, they’d have to put me in “twilight”, which adds a benzo and puts you on breathing support. I said no and demanded they give me something else. 1mg dilaudid every 4 hours from then on and I was practically floating through space and time.

  • The so called “atypical antipsychotics” / second generation neuroleptics would be by and far the biggest culprit. And as for whether or not it is… I think the answer is… DUH!

    How can people be so blind. About a decade ago there was a lot in the news about childhood obesity and especially children getting type II diabetes for like the first time in human history and then everyone was quick to blame fast food and soft drinks and then that was that. Never mind that at least a million children had been put on second generation neuroleptics at that time, and obesity and diabetes are common long-term “side effects” of them.

    This was a huge issue all over the news on and off for like a year or two, and NOT ONCE was it ever mentioned that there had been this drastic, astronomically high increase in the numbers of children being forced to take psych drugs and that weight gain and diabetes were among their most common “side effects”.

  • “people who will ALSO SUFFER when yanked off of their benzos or forced into similar rapid tapers when a doctor becomes aware of their addiction history.”

    And then can go to any corner store, grocery store or department store in the country and buy as much alcohol as they can afford, which is many, many times worse. Doctors who act like gatekeepers to drugs need to get their heads checked and/or come off their high horse.

  • I was hospitalized several times in the years between about 91-92 to 97 before beidermans risperdal and “bipolar boom” had really eve taken off, before things were even nearly as bad as they’ve been in this millennium. My longest hospital stay was 4 and a half months in a state mental hospital at the age of 13. All of these hospitalizations were a result of coercion by the state amid custody battle over the fact that the schools insisted I be drugged (and later that I had to go to school, even after my parents arranged for me to be professionally home schooled) but soon after I began complaining about the drugs, my parents realized they were screwing me up and started to fight back.

    The state hospital was by and far the worst when it came to drugging (Hawthorn center in Northville / Livonia, still open and going) as EVERY child was put on haldol as a matter of course. I was on it within the first 20 minutes that I got there, at the time having had no outbursts or seen any sort of medical professional at all. While billing the tax payers what had to be at least several hundred dollars a day, the 4 and a half months I spent there were just a matter of putting me in a routine and keeping me drugged. Waking me up every morning, sending me to “class” (a sort of school simulation where you didn’t have to actually do any school work, just sit there while some guy pretended to be a teacher), three meals a day, an hour of quiet time (everyone in their rooms) some recreation time and then bedtime.

    They did nothing to try to help me with anything at all. They collected all that tax money just to keep me drugged while keeping me away from my family. At the time I did have serious social, psychological and emotional problems from the hell psychiatry and the schools had put me through up to that point, but they couldn’t have cared less about that. Not to mention all the drug-induced problems I had up to and beyond that point.

  • “Bob, does this not indicate you are agreeing that using literal drugs for metaphorical “diseases” and calling them “medications” is sometimes acceptable, and it’s just a matter of figuring out the optimal way of doing so?”

    I’m pretty sure he’s made it clear for a very long time that he’s done his best to separate his personal opinions from that of his interpretation of the scientific literature. If he were a guy just running around screaming his opinions through a bull-horn, nobody but his own would listen to him.

  • Can we please all keep in mind that these drugs are being used in countless numbers of CHILDREN, almost entirely for purposes of behavioral control. And what I mean by that, is that even if you believe in the whole “childhood bipolar/brain illness” fraud, much of child psychiatry’s use of these brain damaging drugs is ADMITTEDLY TO CONTROL BEHAVIOR. In their own words, “to reduce irritability in children with autism (or honestly any disorder)”, to break and prevent temper tantrums or “meltdowns”, and I kid you not, EVEN AS SLEEP AIDS!

  • It is actually very common, routine actually, that psychiatric drugs are used purely for behavioral purposes in jails and prisons. This case is just one example that I remember the news media had actually reported that fact, and even most of the articles you’ll find on it leave that fact out; http://newsone.com/3116094/graphic-video-james-brown-iraq-war-veterans-death-in-police-custody/

    “Eventually, the officers lift Brown over their shoulders and carry him into another room, where his face is covered with a “spit mask,” according to CNN.

    Officers inject him with two shots of lorazepam, a sedative, according to KFOX. Brown begs for water, telling officers, “I’ve got problems.” They eventually give him a small cup half-filled with water. After the officers take Brown back to his cell, his breathing worsens. He can be seen on the floor, unresponsive.”

  • “Back when I was in high school, it was unheard of for a police officer to come to school,”

    But probably not unheard of for a teacher to grab a student and beat the living snot out of them. Or for dangerous and/or “crazy” students to wind up at the work farm, boot camp, “insane asylum”, illegally drafted underage to WWII, Korea, Vietnam. Times have changed indeed.

    I cant verify for sure if any of it is 100% true, but both my father and grandfather have attested to it.

  • And for the sake of fun, I thought maybe a visual presentation of my point might be worth yet another comment post.

    In this scene, “lord baelish” — a backhanded man with a lot of “dirt” of a lot of people — is trying to coerce Cersei shortly after she had come to power by implying that he his aware of her secretive incestuous love affair with her brother; https://youtu.be/ifaRhL95HUM?t=1m43s

    The time stamp should begin the video at 1:43.

  • “Well one thing is for sure, in the decade or so that psychiatry quickly rose to prosperity, they had little if any credibility with the public. They did it through gaming the system;”

    I want to add that my experiences with psychiatry as a child were a perfect example of what I mean. In all my years of being tormented and permanently damaged by them in that time, I don’t recall ever coming across another kid who wasn’t in a situation like mine or very similar. Psychiatrists hooked up with the schools, teachers began reporting “problem child’s”, parents were referred to psychiatrists, child protective services were on-board to get involved if they didn’t cooperate.

    Take away psychiatry’s partnership with the government school system and their coercive powers through CPS and B.S. like “child abuse by medical neglect”, and I bet there would had been very few children in the 1980’s and early 90’s whose parents would have ever taken them to a drug pushing psychiatrists, or consented to putting them on those drugs.

    In the new millennium, propaganda forces have changed things quite a bit. There is definitely much more public approval for psychiatry today and many more parents not only willing but who are the agents-in-control forcing the torment of forced drugging on their children. But it all began with gaming the system. Psychiatry never bothered wasting its time trying to raise “public awareness” for their propaganda until after they had already established their power.

  • Well one thing is for sure, in the decade or so that psychiatry quickly rose to prosperity, they had little if any credibility with the public. They did it through gaming the system; having allies like Big Pharma, and the best lawyers money could buy.

    I’m saying the way to reverse this, is to do exactly what they did for themselves, except against them. Game the legal system is such a way as to find any and every loophole there is that could crush them one by one and piece by piece, and fight THAT battle, because the public doesn’t have any real power in this, only authority does.

  • When I was growing up as a kid, it was right around the time the shift in the U.S. was occurring, where the unions were being dismantled and outsourcing began and competition between the U.S. and the rest of the world in our economy took off.

    My grandfather retired at the age of 50 owning a home with acres of land and having enough money in the bank to live well up to the age of 92 without ever needing any government or charity assistance. He worked at A.C. Delco making spark plugs. One of my uncle’s retired on work-related disability from General Motors in the 1980’s when he was about 40. Was merely a janitor, yet owned/owns a home, an RV, a boat and can still afford to buy new vehicles every year.

    Times have surely changed.

  • “The first challenge is raising public awareness– ”

    I feel I have to come back to this. In terms of getting the right lawyers to take interest in finding the right avenues for seeking justice, exactly what is public awareness going to do?

    Is there a belief that if enough people know about it, AND agree with us, that judges and politicians will just start taking matters into their own hands, regardless of the law and how the government works? Really, places like MFI have been protesting for decades, and not only haven’t accomplished a single thing, but have made many things worse (like turning Chris Busche’s 2-3 week psych unit incarceration into an 18 month state hospital one by “advocating” for him) and regardless of their activities one way or another, psychiatry and big pharma soared to new heights as if all the protests and “public awareness” weren’t even as much as a fly in the room.

    Besides that, even if you do manage to get the public’s awareness, it wont be for long. Even the most horrific mass shootings like Adam Lanza’s are mostly forgotten by everybody in just a few weeks. People are busy living their lives. They’re not going to be able to help us. They’re certainly not going to form a mob to go and arrest people like Joseph Beiderman.

  • “The first challenge is raising public awareness”

    I would disagree, sounds like a sister form of protesting, which has already been done extensively for generations and has never accomplished anything.

    Besides, the best public awareness would be thousands of journalists across the country having to cover a story as profound as high-level psychiatry experts being charged with crimes related to their scientific research the fraudulent disinformation it produced and the subsequent harms that millions of people — including children — had suffered and even been irreparable harmed from.

  • You comment reminds me of this, I think one of the best things ever written;
    http://realmhchange.org/2015/12/07/a-psychiatrist-opposes-h-r-2646-heres-why/

    ” From a public health perspective, at the risk of being provocative, if the goal of such legislation is really to reduce the incidence of aberrant public behavior, what we need instead is a law that prohibits the consumption of alcohol; if the goal is really to reduce healthcare costs, what we need instead is a law to force diabetics to comply with recommended treatment; if the goal is really to decrease the risk of gun-related deaths, what we need instead is a law to keep firearms out of the hands of males. Obviously few people would ever consider legislating these violations of people’s rights even though these changes would make a significant impact on these important public health problems. I would put it to you that the reason we are even considering violating the rights of individuals having psychiatric disabilities is because they constitute a small, highly stigmatized, and vulnerable group who will generate little push-back.”

  • This is what should be happening with all the psychiatrists in academia who are accepting money from drug companies while running studies and publishing results that do not hold up to scrutiny. Really, if they were just so incompetent that peer review and independent researchers could keep finding so many flaws in their studies, then why would they keep getting paid so much and be considered experts? The proof of corruption should be easy to prove to any reasonable jury. I’ve said this many of times, that this is where the efforts of all “anti-psychiatry” “movements” should be. It’s time to stop arguing with them and start going after them. We need to find a way to maneuver the legal system to bring justice to the Joseph Beiderman’s, Stan Kutcher’s and Charles Nemeroff’s.

  • “my adult medical records contain a history of psychiatric bullshit, including a coerced and an involuntary commitment.”

    *Although I think it went without saying, I think maybe I should add that this often leads to me being treated like someone whose “slipped through the cracks”, and once they suspect that, it typically leads to an attitude toward me that I find not only enraging but is the only reason I suffer so immensely from untreated ulcerative colitis and now gastritis 90% of the time. I’m at the point now where I wont even go to the hospital, even if I’m sure I’m dying.

  • It certainly goes far beyond a presidents speech. The mental health “industry” has been pushing for universal screening of children and adults for a generation, and has been greatly empowered in recent years by the conservatives who scapegoat the “mentally ill” whenever gun control becomes an issue.

    Here was something recently in the news about the push for screening; http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-screen-adults-pregnant-postpartum-depression-20160126-story.html

    Many states and health plans already have requirements for screening, or at least that’s what I have been told by the last two GP’s I went too. “We cant accept you as a patient until you fill out this questionnaire (with questions ranging from “have you ever had kidney stones” to “do you often feel anxious around others” to “does anyone in your family have a history of [insert diseases]” to “have you ever had thoughts of harming or killing yourself?”)

    Of course, not much else to do except just lie on all the mental health questions. To make matters worse though, my adult medical records contain a history of psychiatric bullshit, including a coerced and an involuntary commitment.

  • “Perhaps we’re witnessing the death-throes of a profession. Locked irrevocably to a bio-bio-bio ideology; buffeted on all sides by critics, including some from within; and with no defense to the conceptual and practical criticisms, they tilt at the flimsy windmills of college banter in their futile drive to establish their medical bona fides.”

    I only wish this were true. Here in the U.S. at least, psychiatry is getting bigger and more powerful all the time. I cant go to any general practitioner/family doc without being asked about my mental health and being referred to mental health services. Even after I made it explicitly clear with my current doctor how I feel about that, it occurred again in a following appointment by his physicians assistant while I was waiting for my papers to leave. After I made it explicitly clear with the P.A. how I felt about that, he went off like a fanboy about how wrong I was and how invalid my experiences were to the point that I just walked out the door and got my prescriptions from the nurses at the desk on my way out.

  • Psychiatry and the re-emergence of ECT is just a sign of how big of a desperate failure they really are. For about three decades they lied to the public and pushed pills that were no better than placebo, causing atrocious levels of harm with no real benefit and leaving the truly depressed to just suffer in agony as they couldn’t respond to the placebo effect, and then of course there’s all THE MONEY that psychiatry made in that time.

    But not in the last 10 years or so, since the work of Irvin Kirsch, the medical community and a growing percentage of society have come to have negative views toward “anti-depressants”, and millions of people have been harmed or at least let down by these drugs.

    But the fact that psychiatry, in its desperation, has to reach FOR ECT as its new “treatment” to try to polish in the public’s mind and for its future, just shows how despicable and horrendous that profession really is.

  • “It was only a month after he had sought help with his addiction to Xanax, a sedative used to treat anxiety, at a $60,000-a-month residential facility run by Caron Treatment Centers in an upscale oceanside neighborhood in Delray Beach. ”

    And he got the treatment-as-usual, the very same that is doled out to people on SSI and medicaid. Yet all you ever hear from the “mental health” professionals, organizations and advocacy groups is that “services” are grossly under-funded, that they need more money, as if not throwing another trillion dollars at it to begin with was the problem all along.

    Gee, I wonder where all that money goes, since unlike things like food and energy costs, services like these do not rely on natural or otherwise objective resources.

    “The system has failed, we pump out close to 400 billion a year in psychiatric care in the U.S. and we’ve still failed miserably, it cant be our fault we must just need another 400 billion a year, we’re grossly under-funded!”

  • I think that what are referred to as and diagnosed as “anxiety” and “panic attacks” are too diverse for anyone to even bother trying to find a single go-to treatment for it. For some, anxiety is that feeling you get when you have to wait in line to use the bathroom. For others, it feels like you’re literally having a heart attack while having a bad-acid-trip-esque neurological episode where you head is the size of a hot air balloon and your limbs keep shrinking, your teeth go numb and your tongue feels like it’s twice the size of your mouth. Consequences can range from losing sleep and pacing around too much to desperation drug and/or alcohol consumption and suicide.

    When it comes to anxiety and benzos, I think the patients should be in charge, not the doctors or DEA or anyone else. Especially as long as they can go to any corner store, grocery store or department store in the country and get something many times worse (alcohol).

  • Overdose death from benzodiazapines is caused by excessive central nervous system depressing that cause symptoms beginning with respiratory depression and if CNS is severe enough then sudden cardiac arrest.

    What is not being pointed out about this obvious anti-benzo campaign, is that this is the exact mechanism by which overdose results from too much alcohol, and that benzos themselves are almost never the sole cause of a drug overdose death. I follow drug deaths and damages very closely and I think it shows a strong anti-benzo bias that these authors aren’t pointing out that virtually everyone in those deaths statistics were also either taking opiates (which themselves are even safer than benzos) or combining the benzos with alcohol.

    As is the case with opiates, the big issue is mixing the drugs in dangerous combinations. Not to run campaigns against individual drugs themselves that threaten to leave pain patients writhing in agony and anxiety and panic patients jumping into oncoming traffic.

  • Yeah I read a lot of those back when this as first going on. Don’t have the stress tolerance to do it again. But you might be amazed by how many people defer to authorities, no matter what, and how many people consider doctors themselves to be authorities. Most people are afraid of chaos and of death and will try to comfort themselves with their faith in “protectors” from it, until that comfort is broken by either suffering the consequences of doing so or a realization of the harm and suffering they are causing.

  • If Joesph Beiderman and Kayoko Kifuji (psychiatrist who killed Rebecca Riley) didn’t get in trouble then there is no real hope to be found in the “justice” system.

    Beiderman is responsible for the massive increase in the use of neuroleptic drugs in children over the last 20 some years, and all the brain damage and permanent neurological problems that ensue from it. He was caught in undeniable guilt as official documents from both him and drug companies had him admitting to fabricating results, cooking data, promising them positive results for studies he hadn’t published yet, all while accepting AT LEAST 1.6 million dollars from them to do so.

    Got away with it, completely. They all do. They always do.

  • Possibly the most uplifting comment I’ve read on MIA. If more people were willing to actually take these matters more seriously, to see them for what they really were, people would do more than just complain to professional and politicians or whine about it on the internet.

    We have children suffering permanent neurological movement disorders from being forced to take drugs for simple behavioral problems, and nobody is doing anything real about it at all, but thousands upon thousands of people are doing “something” that has no hope of accomplishing anything and then using it as their own emotional band-aid to move on with their life while Little Johnny continues spasming out in the corner from all that rispderdal/neuroleptic brain damage and now “destined” to a life of being a pharmaceutical cash cow and a “bum” on disability.

  • “Before we can have good research, there needs to be an admittance that these drugs can damage GABA receptors and cause symptoms which look like pathological states but are actually an injury.”

    This is true of all psychiatric drugs regarding just about everything. Although I barely consider benzodiazapines to be “psychiatric” drugs, the fact that neuroleptic “antipsychotic” drugs cause brain shrinkage (and what are probably a myriad of other brain damages too) is especially concerning when patients who take these drugs are regularly getting worse and becoming disabled over time while doctors continue blaming it on their “underlying illness”

  • Update from the future: man who previously fought and won against forced electroshock now so heavily damaged from the subsequent high-dosage neuroleptic drug induced brain damage that his full body dyskinesia and dystonia has made it virtually impossible for him to function; to dress himself, to shower, to eat, etc. Now that he requires “living assistance” in a group home / “nursing home for the mentally ill”, his dose of neuroleptics have consequently and understandably increased.

  • “But this idea is even more pernicious because of the lethality of buprenorphine and the fact we are already in the midst of a prescription opioid epidemic.”

    A concern that exists only because of the media. I challenge anybody to look at the statistics and compare opiates (taken alone, and especially non-synthetic) fatality rates to that of psychiatric drugs and to that of alcohol and tobacco. I did it once years ago and concluded that opiates have never deserved the negativity that surrounds them because of the government, the media, and consequently, society.

    The facts:
    1) Opium is a 100% natural chemical that we’ve evolved around so extensively over the millennia that we’re actually born with opiate receptors in our brains.
    2) Few people have ever died from ingesting natural opiates themselves, at any amount.
    3) Virtually all deaths are attributable to interactions with drugs that themselves kill astronomically more people completely on their own.
    4) Liver failure from the acetaminophen (Tylenol) in Vicodin/Norco is responsible for a majority of all deaths attributable to that drug even when drug interactions are included — and the DEA has even admitted on record that it forced drug companies to add the drug to hydrocodone tablets to identify and punish drug abusers.
    5) Unlike alcohol and benzodiazapine withdrawals, opiate withdrawals are virtually harmless, albeit unpleasant.

    Despite all of these facts, opiates have become the evil scourge of our generation, much as LSD and Cannabis were of the previous generation. Yet in all this time you can go to any corner store, grocery store or department store in the country and buy all the alcohol and tobacco you want and nobody can legally stop you from drinking and smoking yourself to death even though those two substances kill over a half a million people a year in the United States. And that’s not including all the people that are killed or otherwise adversely affected by the mind and behavior altering effects of alcohol such as car crashes, domestic assault, murderous rage (and murder), property damage, etc.

    A more reasonable society would ban alcohol and tobacco and if human nature demands mind and behavior altering substances, then legalize opiates and certain psychedelics. Of course, our species does not consists of reasonable societies.

  • Also, I think you missed my point. If 100 psychiatrists chipped in a fraction of their salaries to a fee or donation to, say, the APA, that could easily come out to hundreds of thousands of dollars. It would take thousands of MIA donations to reach that. If only counting the victims of psychiatry, easily beyond tens of thousands. My point is to highlight the stark contrast between how privileged and affluent the psychiatrists are relative to the people who’ve been harmed by them and want justice. It’s demoralizing to consider that for every psychiatrist permanently damaging a child’s brain, it may take 1,000+ victims before anything might be done about it. And that’s assuming the victims aren’t brainwashed into blaming the damage on their illness, and that they’re functional and/or safe and supported enough as adults to even raise their voice at all.

  • Well therein lies the problem. Most people who would want to support MIA are probably disabled victims of psychiatry and living on SSI. If not for bumming off my parents on SSI, I’d either be a ward of the state in a group home or living in a tent somewhere.

  • “We have set a goal of raising $250,000 to fund our operations in 2016. ”

    I can imagine a psychiatrist just pointing and laughing at that. Put this into the perspective of what the typical psychiatrist makes in a year, how many of them there are and of course the do-nothing, no-skills-required, lazy drug prescribing that they do to “earn” it. Just think of the huge economical contrast between them and their victims.

  • He’s right. But it’s not a black and white issue. I think the extremism on the part of the pro-cannabis is well deserved in that the laws against it are in fact hypocritical at best, but ultimately racist in origin and only preserved today for economical purposes. Cannabis does harm and even kill people. Everything kills people, to some extent.

  • “Many psychiatrists are not even aware that they are retaliating”

    That is only an assumption on your part. After years and years of trying to figure this out, I had concluded that they are perfectly well aware. They would have to be so illogical and ironically delusional otherwise, that they would be unable to function the way that they do in all other regards. They will look at a patient suffering from obvious “side effects” of drug treatment, and when the patient tosses it out after leaving the hospital and winds up back, will tell the judge with a straight face that the problem is they keep feeling so much better on the drugs that they don’t think they need them anymore and so they quit taking it.

  • “Taking a public stand against psychiatry is not as easy when one has a loved one in the system and retaliation is a very real possibility.”

    And just think… we’re talking about what is supposedly a medical profession. I cant think of any other example in “medicine” where someone can be threatened with treatment, or doctors can “retaliate”, but of course we all know this is going on in psychiatry. Just think about how often the “mentally ill” are threatened with hospitalization for bad behavior. Now imagine that same scenario for someone with diabetes.

  • ” We medicated our children, and when parents objected, …” Child protective services were often called. Parents were accused of child abuse via medical neglect. All across the country, children in foster care are forced to take psychotropic psychiatric drugs at a grotesque rate, with few people willing to point out that this was why they were put in foster care to begin with.

  • When I first read this I was hostile, as I felt it was coercing me to try a new drug. I have since tried that “drug” and I totally agree with you. It can be helpful, but I only smoke a very tiny amount or else it gives me panic attacks. I think that’s because of the higher THC content in street stuff today. I don’t know what to do. But there is at least some truth in your words, Will Hall.

  • Let me “correct” this one quote for some perspective;

    “If a drug leads to tardive dyskinesia at a higher dose, but doesn’t at a lower dose, is the problem the drug or its use? If a drug at one dose is useful and at a higher dose is harmful, does that mean the drug is “useful” or “harmful?”
    [neuroleptics are frequently used to treat tardive dyskinesia as well as tourettes in children and other movement disorders, even though they damage the same part of the brain that causes them in the first place]
    “So we begin to see one explanation for how a drug that many people find useful for tardive dyskinesia can be the very drug that causes it for many others.”

  • “Now this study says there is no link between canabis and mental illness.”

    I can guarantee you that there is. This is a self-evident fact that many people have experienced to such a profound degree, that really even having this link on MIA is going to damage its credibility.

    If I take one hit of weed, as I’ve done several times in the past, I go completely manic. Literally, something straight out of “reefer madness”, talking 2 million miles a minute, face red and sweaty, laughing like a lunatic, unable to finish sentences or string coherent words together E.G. “word salad”, and of course panic attacks are inevitable. From what I’ve gathered from a lot of reading over the years, about one-third of people have the same reaction to weed, albeit to varying degrees. I absolutely never have those “symptoms” otherwise, although profound anxiety issues plagued me for weeks after each exposure to cannabis.

  • “How many elderly dads and moms are out there, heads and eyes rolling from side to side, desperately trying to but unable to speak, who are not so fortunate?”

    Let’s not forget that these drugs and even more commonly used in children for truly the same purpose. Such “side effects” are not simply a quality-of-life issue near the end of their days, but rather the sign of permanent brain damage that will complicate if not completely ruin the rest of their lives.

  • “The long-term effects of psychiatric medication are unknown.”

    Umm… no, they’re not. The fact that they cause “structural changes” (brain damage) is indisputable, in both human and animal studies. Science knows far more about the effects of psychotropic drugs on the brain than they do the effects of “mental illness” on the brain. In fact, you of all people should know, that 9 out of 10 times they think they’ve discovered “new evidence” of biological correlates to “mental illness”, they’re actually observing the effects of drugs on the brain.

  • “And prescribing antipsychotics seems predominantly aimed at aggressive and impulsive behaviors, especially in males, where the disruption in school and home insists on action and remediating symptoms.”

    This is where psychotic delusions and rationalizations are going unaddressed in people who think this way. In reality, they are HURTING THE CHILD, to control behavior. When they call it “remediating symptoms”, it doesn’t change that fact. I’m sure history will eventually look back on it for what it was, and wonder why an entire generation of people allowed children’s brains and bodies to be injured — even permanently so — to break temper tantrums and deal with bad behaviors that have always occurred in children throughout time. While I’m no advocate for corporal punishment, just imagine if spankings caused tardive dyskinesia. Today, it’s illegal to so much as leave a little red mark on a child during a spanking, because supposedly THAT is wrong. But permanently damaging their brains, giving them life-long neurological symptoms that make their own body a 24/7 demon they must endure with involuntary motor movements, FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIFE… that’s just a consequence of “remediating symptoms”, a “side effect” of “treatment.”

  • “However, it frequently generates unreliable findings.”

    An observational study is probably the only real, genuine kind of scientific study there is. An observational study is the study of reality. Observation is what science is supposed to be all about. Let me guess though, all these “scientists” are just upset that they don’t have THEIR HANDS in it, able to manipulate the data any way they want, as they do in controlled studies. Sick of not being able to get the results they want.

  • “It is frightening that Abilify is now the top selling medication in the U.S.”

    http://www.askapatient.com/viewrating.asp?drug=21436&name=ABILIFY
    Granted it gets better ratings at the more corporate websites, but not even much, even though we know it’s probably that those other sites are corrupting the results, or drug companies are submitting false ratings by fake users, and yet still struggle to reach a 5/10 rating.

    What has concerned me more than anything over the years though is this:
    http://www.askapatient.com/viewrating.asp?drug=17854&name=REGLAN

    They give this drug to INFANTS, and to pregnant women for morning sickness! This drug has by and far the highest incidence of tardive dyskinesia and dystonia of any neuroleptic, and I know from experience how life-destroying even a mild-to-moderate case of TD can be. At least with “schizophrenia” and such, there was some understanding to how doctors could blind themselves to the serious harm of those drugs. But for nausea? Motion sickness? Vomiting? This drug has been becoming so popular that after I was hit with ulcerative colitis, I’ve had to go far out of my way to instruct doctors and nurses never to give it to me, because I’m already battling TD I got from forced neuroleptic drugging as a child, and even then they’ve come close to sticking me with it a couple of times at the emergency room!

  • Ted Chabasinski: “I have a strong feeling some of the people who know me are really going to go after me for this, but at the very least I think this particular psychiatrist is sincerely trying to have an honest dialogue here.”

    I’ve actually been on this page for over an hour now, completely dumbfounded. This guy is by and far the most reasonable, reality-facing psychiatrist I have ever come across, anywhere and in any way. If I had the power, I’d rise him to the top so the rest of them would be forced to listen to him.

    That’s coming from the same guy who advocates for nuremberg-esque trials of the whole psychiatric field.

  • Or correction: Implication usually being that the “mental illness” and SMOKING are the cause of the increase. I’ve read a couple of articles as well blaming “sedentary” lifestyles in those with “severe mental illness”, without acknowledging that sedation/somnolence is a common side effect of the neuroleptic and “mood stabilizer” drugs routinely prescribed to those people.

    And since the biggest increase in mortality has been in the last 20-30 years, and during this time the cost of living has gone up drastically while SSI keeps increasing by pennies a year… how are all these “SMI” patients buying cigarettes? That’s like 5-8 dollars a day, if they are a one-pack a day smoker. SSI is 733 dollars a month, or roughly 24 dollars a day.

    Besides, smoking decreases life expectancy by 10-12 years, not the 15-25 that we are seeing today in “SMI” people.

  • But what makes this important is that whenever a report or news article comes out suggesting that people with “mental illness” have shorter life expectancies, the implication from psychiatry is always that it is the “illness” causing the increase in mortality.

    “…. are associated with an increased risk for several physical diseases, including obesity, dyslipidemia, diabetes mellitus, thyroid disorders, hyponatremia; cardiovascular, respiratory tract, gastrointestinal, haematological, musculoskeletal and renal diseases, as well as movement and seizure disorders.”

    Of course psychiatrists, indeed all doctors, have known this from the beginning. It’s right on the drug store pamphlets for the drugs even. Could it even be possible that a doctor be competent, while not knowing or unable to acknowledge that obesity, diabetes, respiratory diseases, etc would increase mortality in patients and shorten their life expectancy? I think the term is called Cognitive Dissonance. And much of psychiatry appears to be drowning in it.

  • Previously, theloniusmonk said: “regarding the comment about Robert Whitaker’s book.I have read it.It is sensationalistic and not based upon one shred of scientific fact.It is tantamount to a birther or conspiracy theorist.It is a collection of information, then slanted with poorly thought out assumptions.”

    Another science-denier who makes assertions, but can not back them up with science. He cant tell you why this study is pseudoscience, for the same reason that nobody has been able to rebut Whitaker, despite the fact that we know that thousands of professionals have tried and doing so would serve the interests of mega-billion dollar industry.

  • It’s no secret that benzos CAN CAUSE amnesia. They use them for surgical operations in that regard. I was hospitalized several months ago for a ulcerative colitis flare-up and they had to perform a sidmoidoscope. I told them not to give me anything, they told me they’d only give me demerol. I checked my records and they gave me “midazolam” (a benzodiapazine) and demerol. Apparently, according to the records, I was totally awake and able to follow their commands. I don’t remember a single thing.

    It’s no secret that benzos can cause amnesia. The rationalization on their part is that out-patient, “therapeutic” dosages don’t cause brain damage and subsequent memory problems. To be fair though, and I will be fair, because I voluntarily took benzos for years, although I feel I lacked true informed consent, but to be fair, I think most doctors would admit this. I don’t think there is a real argument out there about it.

  • Let me put this one other way, for some perspective.

    When I was a child, I went through a traumatic abuse that lasted for years. It’s the same one that I’ve come to know from many others who have received “psychiatric treatment”, at any time of their lives. The drugs were prescribed like candy, messed me up, then some “underlying illness” was blamed for the problems. I lived with tardive dyskinesia for two years undiagnosed from when I was 12-14, because the doctors told my parents it was just a “tic” and it was no big deal. I still suffer from tardive dyskenisia. This is 20 years later.

    All across the country, kids are going manic on stimulants and “antidepressants”, and doctors are just re-diagnosing them with “bipolar disorder”, calling the drugs a “diagnostic tool” that “unmasked the underlying condition.”

    Is there any scientific support for that? Whitaker has brought forth a good degree of research showing that these drugs could, from a scientific point of view, be most probably the cause of that. I know from experience that he is right. But the science itself should at least put a dent in the delusional belief of psychiatrists that these drugs are benign. Cognitive dissonance and rationalization seem to be the achilles heel of psychiatry in this regard.