Monday, March 27, 2017

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  • Were you the sort who uses nutrient therapy along with psychotherapy, I’d suggest you use the Hoffer-Osmond Diagnostic or the Experiential World Inventory tests to monitor your progress. You’d also find out something about your clients’ inner worlds, helping you understand what perceptual experiences are influencing their behavior.

  • I suspect you were talking about Abram Hoffer (1917-2009) when you mentioned his work with B3. I also found it interesting that the researchers in the study you mentioned never used B3 when treating the study patients, even though B3 is the primary vitamin used when treating “schizophrenia”. In his later career, Hoffer stopped using the word schizophrenia, altogether, when diagnosing, preferring the term “vitamin dependent pellagra” to psychiatric diagnoses.

  • These guys aren’t good for anyone’s health, but they’d make interesting victims for a TV crime show, being done in by their own experiments and financial issues- the guy giving the speed to recovered patients to see if they’d relapse is found, filled with several hundred milligrams of meth, is found in a locked room. In a steamer trunk, that also holds the key, is a pop-up monster that springs up when the lid is opened…

  • Absolutely right. There’s a lot of fraud in the pushing of these so-called natural supplement combinations, particularly when knows that certain fairly common cheap supplements will work just as well, if not better, than these expensive poseurs, for a number of conditions. I pay no more now, for sugar and starch free niacin, than I would have, 40 years ago.

  • You’ve got it generally right, lily, though we’re also dealing with treatments that can use very high doses of certain nutrients (B3, B6, B12, C the usual suspects), instead of psych drugs, as the core of treatment. Interestingly enough, this only occurs with males. I found mention of this in a volume called Orthomolecular Psychiatry, Linus Pauling and David Hawkins MD, editors, in a paper by Hawkins, describing the North Nassau Mental Health Center, which he used to run (an old guy, he retired and I don’t know if he’s still alive). Good luck finding the volume, though it’s probably in the Library of Congress.

  • This conversion stuff is pretty ridiculous, but the advocates of this sort of abuse would be even more outraged to know these conversions sometimes happen with males treated for disperceptive illnesses by orthomolecular practitioners, where the practitioner ISN’T (I use the caps because I got flamed earlier on this subject and now have to explain myself to keep this from happening again) trying to change their patient’s sexual orientation, but trying to remove “run of the mill” perceptual distortions through nutrient therapy.(When I have to do this with appropriate individuals, I explain it is a side effect I can’t control).

  • It says something about your psychiatrist, that she didn’t know that anxiety can be the result of magnesium deficiency- the heart palpitations are a giveaway. I bet she didn’t ask you if you suffered from cramps in addition to the palpitations. You may think of me as crass, but that is why I don’t suffer from leg cramps at night, anymore.

  • Maybe he can’t, Matt. About the only biological theories that makes sense are anathema to mainstream psychiatry. Since you’ll want to know about them, here they are: certain of the neurochemicals will break down to oxidized variants sometimes known as chromes, when under stressed conditions, and these chromes are hallucinogenic. The one I’m most familiar with is adrenochrome, a breakdown metabolite of adrenaline, which has to be metabolized fast when you get wired. It, and its sister chemical, adrenolutin are very long-acting hallucinogens, but not psychedelics, and adrenochrome has been found in the body. You could get the most detail about them from the ancient (1967) volume, The Hallucinogens, by Hoffer and Osmond. Good luck finding it, because it’s out of print and I won’t let you take mine- maybe the Library of Congress has one.

  • The difficulty arises from depression being a syndrome that could be brought on by a variety of entities, a number of which are nervous system reactions to chemical effects and changes in other parts of the body, e.g. liver disease, blood sugar irregularities, chemical and food sensitivities, plus other things that can’t be treated with SSRI’s (or other antidepressants, for that matter).

  • I hate to bring this up, but just as the Russians initially beat us into space, they also preceded our entry into coercive psychiatry, in which dissidence is seen as a mental illness, in which treatment consists of turning the dissident into a pliable mental incompetent. Interestingly enough, both these advances took place in Krushchev’s time. That’s what the Serbsky Institute was all about.

  • I accept it as rubbish. Besides, that I take a lot of B3 every and also believe megascorbate is useful for preventing and/or treating virus ailments, is data that shrinks would use to affirm my incurable mental disability, and do such an excellent job of treating me that I wouldn’t be able to remember my name and address.

  • Maybe he already knew that form of hysteria was due to calcium deficiency brought on by lack of Vitamin D3 to metabolize it (remember Victorian women with their all-covering dresses and huge hats to keep their skin white and pasty, the desired complexion in women of that era, according to its literature).

  • Harvard Medical school probably never had what you might have hoped. Many years ago, on the old NBC Tomorrow show, Mark Vonnegut (now MD) had an enlightening story about applying to Harvard Medical school shortly after his autobiographical book about when he went psychotic big time in British Columbia. He related his episode to the School, but the admissions office accepted him anyway: although he was diagnosed schizophrenic in BC, he was accepted, even though the School didn’t accept prior schizophrenics- he’d recovered, which the school believed to be impossible; therefore, he couldn’t be schizophrenic, as they were incurable. Should you be surprised the school fell in with the legal dope pushers later?

  • Stalin tried as hard as he could to be as inept as the French. Certain that the Germans wouldn’t attack him immediately, despite their moving most of their army to his borders, he squirreled away the multitude of reports from his many spies, certain the reports were part of a German disinformation scheme to extract concessions on the prices of the materials he was sending them. Then he forced the units on the border to display that they were totally unready to fight (probably as a cover for his intended betrayal of the Germans at a later time- the units were amassing artillery ammunition), letting the Germans fly photoreconnaissance missions over his territory.

  • The French did themselves in. The first of their three inept commanders made his headquarters in a remote chateau without a phone or radio (maybe he saw himself as a military artist who needed to secrete himself to enhance his martial creativity) who had to communicate with his army via a motorcycle dispatch rider. The second one had to take himself on a military grand tour to inspect his decaying front before he took action. The situation was beyond hope by the time the third one was installed.

  • I don’t know if it’s valuable or spiritual, but around 40 years ago I quit drinking after eating a dozen bell-shaped Panaeolus mushrooms I found in a cow pasture near my home. They informed me they would return when needed if I didn’t let myself get blotto with outrageous chemicals and drugs. They came back about 20 years ago when I was working a midnight in a residential treatment center. An unstable resident had cut his wrists during the day. He was poorer than a church mouse and consequently would never take an ambulance to the hospital if he cut himself again, which would mean waking all the other residents and driving them with him, guaranteeing they’d get no sleep and be disciplined the next day for something I did, once they failed some therapeutic activity. I was fretting about this, when
    the mushrooms suddenly appeared and said, “you don’t have to put up with this.” I shortly wound up secretly putting him on niacinamide. He graduated from the center’s program, to the amazement of the staff.

  • One of the things most of the bloggers don’t know, is that the various attempts by mainstream guys to understand psychoses came from attempts to disprove another biological notion- that the syndrome isn’t a brain disease at all, but a metabolic disorder in which one’s own body produces hallucinogens, especially under stress, which can come from any number of stressors.

  • This is what happens when you try to stretch the parameters for a particular class of drugs uses. Initially, SSRI’s were used for OCD symptoms, for which they worked. Then, someone got the bright idea to use them for depressions featuring compulsive and obsessive thinking, which is where we are now. Perhaps the notion for using them after leaving alcohol rehab is the same mentality in a different setting, one more aptly served by having alcoholics using niacin or inositol nicotinate (no flush niacin) for the same purposes.

  • I have similar thoughts to you on the subject, but I occasionally take heat from some of the bloggers, myself, usually because they’re unfamiliar with the subject you’ve been writing about, perhaps because they devote a lot of energy going after psychiatric pseudo-medicine with all its arcane disorders of one kind or another.

  • Liz. He isn’t familiar with biological therapies that are actually based on biological reality, such as the various orthomolecular treatments that his profession has kept secret from him in its effort to suppress heretical thought. The old megavitamin therapy’s been around for about 65 years, as has fasting therapy for cerebral allergies. Thyroid for recurring catatonic episodes got its start around 60 years ago. I should be worried about telling you this, as I’ll be executed for witchcraft or sorcery in the Brave New Psychiatric World. Or maybe just scheduled for an infinite daily series of bilateral ECT.

  • There’s no surprise in this, because BC pills raise one’s level of serum copper. Although copper’s a necessary trace mineral, in excess in can promote depression and dysperceptions. Your mainline psychiatrist will disbelieve this, at least partially, because it was mentioned by orthomolecular guys like Carl Pfeiffer around 45 years ago(if you can find a copy of (hardcover) Orthomolecular Psychiatry, David Hawkins and Linus Pauling eds.). Another minus to this perception is that mega B6 and zinc were mentioned as the chief treatment for this in the Journal of Orthomolecular Psychiatry in the 1980’s, in preference to psychiatric drugs, which made it certain humbug to orthodox psychiatric minds.

  • I’m not a professional therapist, so if I’ve got to do a psych-type interview, I need help deciding how to do my interview unless there’s something I can see and readily identify. If I have to do psych-type stuff, it’s generally with someone else’s treatment failures.

  • Good to see that you’ve caught on to depression as a syndrome with multiple causes. Some are: simple inadequate diet that the writers reviewed, vitamin dependencies (B1,B3,B6,B12, folate likely most common), blood sugar fluctuations, thyroid problems, metal poisoning (lead, copper, aluminum the most common), BC pills (they raise serum copper), subclinical scurvy, etc. Notice also, how few mainstream shrinks ever bother to review such things, which is why they think 50% improvement rates of medicated patients is such a great thing, while simple investigation can get 90% improvement rates, IF our shrink can pick treatments properly.

  • Blood sugar spikes are responsible for a variety of “mental” symptoms. If you wanted to test yourself, the “clinical” way would be to test at hour intervals for 5 or 6(best) hours after your test meal. The medicos who routinely do this just use glucose for a standard test meal but a high carbohydrate meal may do as well, as you’re doing a rough field survey, in any case.

  • Who, me? Remember my biases, Steve. Although I don’t remember calling Soteria a fiasco, I’m also familiar with true biologically based treatments (sans drugs) that are effective for the schiz. syndrome. I also know Mosher got shut down by Soteria’s neighbors, who were spooked by sudden elopers (I do know the psych meaning of that term) suddenly entering the community on the run. To me, mainstream psychiatry isn’t using a medical model, but a muddled model, with elements of the impaired (“you’ll never get well”…) and moral models (pathologizing behaviors one doesn’t like). This may seem pedantic, but I’d suggest you read Models of Madness, Models of Medicine, by Miriam Siegler and Humphry Osmond. As my copy’s print date is 1976, it may be hard to find, but it really helps to clarify a subject of controversy among the bloggers.

  • Unwilling to have his dues to the APA used for attacks on him, Abram Hoffer also dripped out of the APA around the same time. I don’t know if he bothered with a resignation letter. Despite his letter, Loren Mosher was certainly enthusiastic about the niacin study in which he was a co-author. It was pretty APA of him to insist it was properly done, but then he never took any niacin himself, to realize its effects, which was actually also pretty APA of him.

  • Although the contents of the article were no surprise, I did accidentally find out why Loren Mosher allowed himself to be one the titled heads of a biased, poorly done, but widely publicized, pseudo study of the old time megavitamin therapy in 1973 in New Jersey (after Humphry Osmond had gone to Alabama). He was trying to get back into the APA fold, after being ostracized for the Soteria fiasco.

  • You don’t have to be insane to do a catastrophically bad job of governing. If you’re not totally for sale, all you need is total attachment to some kind of faulty policy, combined with the obstinacy to be deaf to any advice hostile to your fixated preconceptions.

  • Shelling out $30/mo. for supplements is more like it, though that’s on the heavy side if you haven’t become chronic like me or my friend, Henry the Paranoid, who took about 15-20g of B3/day (I once saw him take 10 500mg niacin tablets in one gulp at a drinking fountain- yes, he knew he was a paranoid, but his bearing would greatly improve over time, while on the B3). The idea is to buy them in bulk or when “twofers” are offered as a special. Niacin, you buy at the pharmacy counter by the 1000’s. Remember, the idea is to take as little guff as possible.

  • The only people you might give a psychiatric diagnosis are those in difficulties who voted for him, propelled by the delusion he might do something for them despite his ample history of thinking only about himself and his own personal advancement. They did get the president they deserved.

  • But you had a shot with the shysters, if you could get one for the price of a piece of the action if you won. You’ve the danger of some cheesy settlement if your lawyer has pressing debts, but he still has to so something to maximize his piece of the pie. The EEOC is your evidence, so you’re (to lawyer) not so crazy if you can point this out, so there is material for a case. You may want to see several of them predetermine local greed levels prior to employment.

  • You’re right about inertia. Cold canvassing for a complementary practitioner can easily become an exercise in watching otherwise distinguished practitioners making peculiar contorted faces when you bring the subject up with them. The Canadians have an advantage here. Their orthomolecular web site lists pages of them for every province.

  • An interesting thing about traumas is that normal disintegration patterns of metabolizing adrenalin, a potentially dangerous stimulant, can result in it becoming adrenochrome (first) and then adrenolutin (second). Both of these chemicals are long-acting hallucinogens (in Hoffer and Osmond’s (now rare) book, The Hallucinogens, is an account of a subject’s 100 hour adrenolutin trip, while driving from Saskatoon to Ann Arbor, MI in the pre-interstate days).

  • Hi Liz. I use 9g/day (3gx3/day), similar C (also partially for viruses). The basic level Hoffer used to use was 3g/day, but I let myself get chronic- probably because I didn’t give up the caffeine and because I suffered a head injury about 10 years ago. My friend from support groups meetings, Henry the Paranoid, used about 15-20g/day, but he was chronic and may have had cerebral allergies as well.

  • I’d pay more attention to this trauma stuff, had I not accidentally treated myself for schizophrenia syndrome. I was collecting wild hallucinogenic mushrooms and had studied the old megavitamin therapy in case I spaced myself out by accident, which I did. I took B3 for a number of weeks while experiencing irritating hallucinations of several kinds, and then continued to take it afterward, when they were gone, because it suppressed hay fever symptoms. A couple of weeks in the fall, after I stopped B3, I reverted to a spacy, depressed state that I felt was my real personality. I started on the B3 again and ceased being spacy and depressed (although some of the bloggers might say I’m not there), although it took some time to discover I had serious temperamental reactions to caffeine, which I no longer use.

  • The eugenically minded have blinded themselves to the positives of “schizophrenia” that manifest themselves as true positives in their first order relatives. In this Age of Trump, who wants to eliminate the EPA and reduce pollution standards, schizophrenics have one great advantage- they don’t get cancer (unless on neuroleptics). Of Hoffer’s 5000 schizophrenic patients, only five had cancer. Their increased death rate from smoking is due to COPD, et. al., not lung cancer (their lower mitotic rate, which delays tumor formation, decreases their ability to replace tissue lost to nicotine).
    Schizophrenics also age more slowly, due to this lower mitotic rate, which is also responsible for their lower susceptibility to viruses. They’re less susceptible to wound shock.
    The question is whether schizophrenia is really a defect, or a stage in evolutionary adaptation to a grossly polluted environment, and therefore an early appearance of evolutionary positives.

  • You’d better understand that Mr. Trump has already lost the War on Terror during his first week in office. Now that his failure has cost him any chance of having reliable Islamic allies, he has nothing except torture and spraying the region with blind aerial bombardments. Since he can’t admit to any of his mistakes, I’m sure we’ll see the African and Middle Eastern deserts turned into tektites by nuclear bombs detonated in his furious blind bombardments.

  • I have an idea why this happened. When speed was the rage in ADHD drugs, it was possible for kids and parents to sell it on the open market instead of consuming it. Neuroleptics don’t have the alcohol-related buzz of ordinary downers, merely turning you and your kids into zombies, instead- no market outside of places using zombies for cheap labor, as in Ghana or Nigeria.

  • Well, you should know your guy’s likely to have the feeling of being watched much of the time. Don’t be surprised if he also wonders about folks on the street talking about him- he may have the audios. I’ll want to know how well he’s slept recently. I’ll ask about his eye, how he knew it had to go, and about other sensations he’s experiencing. If I’m someone like a psych resident, I’d better find out if my new acquaintance is having anticholinergic hallucinations (e.g. bugs crawling under the skin) lest my bungling lead to devastation of patient, ward and self- no neuroleptics, please.

  • Nothing necessarily wrong with chemical psychotherapy if you use the chemicals already present in the body instead of drugs. This is the 60th anniversary of Mayer-Gross pointing out that all neuroleptic drugs do is replace one psychosis with another, the tranquilizer psychosis.

  • One thing neither the conventional shrinks nor many MIA bloggers seem to do is consider the bio-physical environment as a potentiating factor in episodes of “mental” illnesses. Whenever I read about extreme states, the writers always seem preoccupied with social factors when bringing up hostile environments, neglecting physical elements that can contribute to psychological distress.

  • What? And deny our Donnie the experience of being deceived by those the Chinese call Death Agents? For those who haven’t read the ancient Military Classics, death agents are expendable individuals primed with false information and set up for capture by the enemy, to prime him with the bogus “data” and be executed when the information proves false, usually after the agent-induced disaster has taken place.

  • Big Time Psychiatry will never use evidence-based diagnostic data, because that would mean caving in to the unwashed, who use diagnostic techniques the psychiatric mavens have fought against for decades, creating giant structures of baseless criticism to suppress. Better to diagnose using info God has given you via auditory hallucinations than to use physical techniques like hair analysis for poisonous heavy metals and urine tests for pyrolles resulting from B6 & zinc deficiency.

  • No, it presents more like reality than an excursion into Diagnostic Wonderland, the reality being that depression is just a syndrome with a variety of origins. I hate to bring this up, but Hoffer was treating depressions with folate decades ago- the work isn’t that original. These subsets that respond to various treatments other than psych drugs aren’t ever going to have psychiatric diagnoses, because they’re physical conditions, anathema to psychiatric “diagnosis” and treatment.

  • At least the MH community needs to be aware of physical conditions that are markers for proper “mental health” treatments; e.g., loss of sense of taste and smell + depression, which suggests treatment with zinc salts plus educational counseling instead of antidepressants. Or the relationship between anxiety and low magnesium, particularly if the intake also complains about cramps and/or heart palpitations.

  • He wasn’t a psychiatrist by training, but sent to various early 1950’s psychiatric training institutes for short stays, after the government of Saskatchewan gave him a billet as Director of Psychiatric Research for the province in order to give him experience in what was going on in the psychiatry of the day. He was as unimpressed with these observed psychiatric activities as psychiatrists were unimpressed with him, after he and Humphry Osmond devised the original megavitamin therapy just prior to the arrival of the neuroleptics. Consequently, I don’t reveal to mainstream shrinks my own vitamin consumption, and stay in good shape, in order to avoid them.

  • Fransesca.The niacin’s actually better for you than the meds, if you can stand the flushing. Most of the shrinks in BC probably thought he was a quack, as well. Did he give you an HOD test before putting you on the B3? I only brought it up because I’m a schizophrenic and do 9g/day, among other non-med things. But I’m glad I don’t live in BC, because they’d try to medicate me and I don’t find sleeping 15 hours a day to be particularly therapeutic.

  • Now I see why Abram Hoffer dropped out of psychiatry in 2005 and arranged for his secretary (who earned a Doctorate in Naturopathy while working for him) to take over his patients after he died, which he did, in 2009.

  • No he’s considering a conservative, who knows that the main purpose of drug therapy is to make pharmaceutical companies healthier, while your health is inconsequential in the real scheme of things. To the observed mentality, this should be the true way this should be done- you don’t want anyone growing old enough to get and stay on Social Security, costing Uncle Sam precious megabucks that could be spent usefully on weapons’ R&D, instead.

  • They’re signs something may be amiss with the wiring, but not necessarily what the fix is. We can presume pharmacotherapy is not the fix- its poor results guarantee that. We can also presume not understanding real illnesses that cause “mental” symptoms, but also have mundane origins, is a handicap too many shrinks possess.