And these guys are the alleged “Thought Leaders” of Big Time Psychiatry? Are we sure they aren’t space aliens seeking to turn the entire population into hapless zombies?
No, but there are a number of conditions which can mimic the syndrome shrinks mistakenly call schizophrenia. As far as I know, psych drugs have positive effects on few to none of these mimics, other than to perhaps give you dyskinesia, should you be daft enough to call that a positive effect.
Big Pharma has to deluge the market with dubious antipsychotic drugs. NAD (nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide) is coming on the market. It has the same antipsychotic properties as “straight” niacin, but works much faster in the treatment of various “schizophrenias”, which must be hidden to preserve the market for allegedly antipsychotic drugs, as it’s unpatentable.
With 5 rounds in the revolver instead of one.
Bad idea. Now many more companies will use these guys as models for their own policies. Under our present leadership, the Shkreli Award winners will be models of how to conduct profit-making health care businesses.
This trial was bound to fail, given the molecular nature of “depressions”, which are likely to be as varied as the other “mental disorders”. They’re in the same league as the Michigan shrinks many years ago, who couldn’t understand why a state hospital’s “schizophrenic” patient’s hair turned green (Wilson’s Disease should be coming to mind for you MIA MD’s).
My mother had to put up with that jive back when I was first symptomatic. Fortunately, she no longer put up with it after finding out I was simply B3 dependent and likely low in zinc. (I was in school in Michigan’s copper country during my first bonkers period)
I avoid contacts with shrinks who scream about pill shaming, because I don’t want to show my prophetic powers-“you are about to have a bad physical experience that could be life threatening…”
Dr. Friedman isn’t going to be able to do anything about suicidally depressed teens, because he thinks depression is some kind of exotic disease to be treated with equally exotic drugs. Well, Doc, depression’s a syndrome that can arise from multiple (pedestrian) causes, not an independent illness awaiting treatment with a magic (and expensive) cure from Big Pharma.
Unfortunately, the best treatments for suicidal depression are fought tooth and nail by Big Time Psychiatry because they aren’t drug based. What psychiatrist is going to risk his reputation, his office toys and his free vacation trips at pharmaceutical company expense, just to keep his patients safely alive, when they were bonkers enough to consult with him because they were severely depressed?
Maybe megascorbate taken at the level just below the one that gives you the trots. It has antiviral properties at high levels.
Another case of monumental ineptitude for the ages. Big Time Psychiatry fumbles another post partum incident. Of course it was too much to do this right, using an HOD test to quantify things, checking her nails and asking her if she remembers her dreams. You’re going to treat her with B6, zinc (and maybe magnesium), B100’s and C (which the article’s antidepressant shrinks would find deadly dangerous), raising the B6 to the point where dreams are remembered. Do your tapering after several months. This “depression” is pretty likely the result of high serum copper at the end of the pregnancy. This sort of treatment has only been around for 30+ years.
Well, if the doctor gave you a fatal OD, you wouldn’t be part of the group of depression sufferers any more, would you. Strike another successful therapeutic blow for psychiatry!
It’s easy to see why this study proved to be raw material for cellulose insulation- the only thing the study participants had in common were depressed moods. Other than that, they were probably a heterogeneous group, depression being a syndrome instead of an actual disease.
It doesn’t seem to have occurred to the article’s “thought leaders” that this ennui about aspirations and goals might come from an individual’s energy levels that might be fading for some reason or other, making the aspirations and goals harder to pursue. Apparently, trying to find out why doesn’t have much of a following in psychiatry.
And the same guys who did these alleged studies would roar with fury at the thought of using B1 and/or B12 as a treatment for depressions, preferring treatments they’d falsely proved to be effective, despite also knowing they’d scammed the results of their alleged studies.
Don’t forget Slavery is Freedom and Ignorance is Strength.
They’re afraid of embarrassment at having their mistakes become public.
To do it correctly, you’d need to replace “schizophrenia” with a number of terms. “Schizophrenia” isn’t a disease at all, but a syndrome- a collection of symptoms and signs with multiple possible origins and treatments- no “one treatment fits all.”
I would be interested in seeing if niacinamide has any value in withdrawing from benzos, occupying the same receptor sites that benzos do. I know it doesn’t work for alcohol withdrawal (but niacin does), but theory suggests it might for benzos.
No. It’s use is more or less confined to antipsychotics, which antagonize manganese. I don’t know what the story is on SSRI’s, which seem to induce certain neurological properties that resemble dyskinesias brought on by antipsychotics.
His passing shows the limits of conventional formal education in pharmacology. He suffered for years from dyskinesia/akathisia without realizing that manganese is therapeutic for it, if we can believe Richard Kunin, MD, who treated a small series of patients with it in the 1980’s. Maybe that’s because the orthomolecular guys took it up right away and now routinely use it, proof positive to the orthodox that such treatments are useless.
Distortions in perception that can involve sight, hearing, touch, smell, taste and perhaps interpretation. Some of them, for example, like those of being watched or talked about, can lead to spectacularly (and frequently) bad results. Hallucinations are obvious ones, but suffering from subtle ones can lead to more unfortunate outcomes.
I wonder if these researchers paid any attention to whether their subjects had dysperceptions prior to their getting ayahuasca. Dysperceptions, particularly numerous ones, are a contradiction against psychedelic therapy, and the most efficient way to find them (HOD test and its relatives) are on the Big Time Psychiatric Black List, thanks to their frequent use by the dreaded orthomolecular practitioners.
I understand, Steve. It’s just that the crazies shout loudest to make their messages real and pretend they’re a group much larger than reality permits. The Republicans with brains are overshadowed by the professional nitwits, in terms of air time.
I wonder if the President should have himself committed, as he’s far more dangerous than all the country’s bums put together.
Removed for moderation.
You’ve got a point there, OH. Nothing’s too ridiculous for psychiatrists to puff- I’ve seen that piece on ketamine in this issue.
Well, the psychiatric “thought” leaders and their Pharma Bros. would have kittens if they knew tardive dyskinesia wouldn’t exist if “antipsychotic” tablets had one mg. of manganese added to each and every one. This information has only been around for 30+ years, which hasn’t given the “thought” leaders time enough to test the hypothesis.
Actually, organized psychiatry has historically been hostile to the notion of nutritional medicine, (correctly) fearing that any GP (or even former “mental” patients) can treat mental conditions as well, or better, than they can (there go the paid winter vacations in the Caribbean).
Try going to the orthomolecular web site. It even has lists of practitioners and even a library, where you can look up pioneer issues of the Journal of Orthomolecular Medicine. I think it’s called orthomolecular.org. (I use the site but haven’t looked up the proper web address for some time as it’s in my machine’s memory, now).
She already knows more about “depression” than conventional psychiatrists, thanks to her experiences. Good thing for them she didn’t recover from a schizophrenia syndrome, which would expose her to constant abusive “correction” from these guys.
This may be interesting, as the nutritional approach to “mental” health is oppositional to big-time corporate pharmacology, as well as big-time psychiatry, which have doubtlessly spent millions “proving” your diet has nothing to do with your sanity, compared to the beneficial effects of “antipsychotics” and “antidepressants”. Don’t forget the “minor” tranquilizers.
Mallet therapy would do the same thing as ketamine at a fraction of the price, there being no drug cost involved in having your head smacked at regular intervals. Though I doubt anyone would look forward to mallet sessions any more than they’d seek to have ECT sessions regularly.
From a dreary career haunting houses to presently writing professionally groundbreaking medical articles about state of the art pharmaceuticals- it’s been a profitable time for the nation’s ghosts.
Makes me wonder how Joe Adams is doing. He had two spectacular psychotic episodes about 60 years ago in which he suffered various delusions about being reincarnated religious fanatics of the early Reformation era. Eventually he became California’s Director of Mental Health (this was probably when the state was toying with alternate “mental health” treatments in the 1960’s, Adams having been working for Hoffer and Osmond when he had the hallucinatory episodes and received megavitamin B3 and C as treatment).
Years ago, the late Abram Hoffer suggested that governments create agencies that did nothing except test therapeutic claims and remedies and was without connections with manufacturers and pressure groups. Considering his reputation as the evil wizard of psychiatry, manufacturers and organized groups benefitting from their largesse will fight tooth and nail to preserve the present business-oriented system.
Biological cause unknown? That’s strange- I can think of several possible causes for each of the above five symptom complexes. I can even treat some of them using off-the-shelf materials, despite being a psychiatric nobody. How am I supposed to be impressed by this psychiatric pretentiousness?
Well, if you’re a shrink, you’d better know about these diseases and be able to identify them- it could be expensive if you didn’t. Though psychiatric patients don’t sue, I suspect a real patient will if wrongly treated for a “psychiatric” disorder for a “mental” disease (s)he didn’t have and you gave them akathisia (to boot) with a misdirected attempt at pharmacotherapy for the nonexistent mental condition.
Mental illnesses probably don’t have an independent existence, but “mental” consequences of physical illnesses certainly do. Obvious things are dietary deficiency diseases like pellagra, heavy metal poisoning, metabolic excesses or shortages. Just being a psychiatrist doesn’t exempt you from knowing these things, while simultaneously pretending to have secret “bio-medical” knowledge unknown to peasants.
AI is probably useless for psych diagnosing, as psych “diagnoses” are totally subjective and inconsistent. With some decent data, AI diagnosticians could identify conditions that led to the alleged diagnoses, but incapable of telling shrinks anything about what they wanted to hear to direct their faulty prescribing.
And he also found out what addictive allergies are all about, while avoiding another session of going bonkers for science.
One separation, though trivial- the number of younger general officers in the Wehrmacht (and likely the SS) having to go on convalescent leave because they suddenly developed heart problems (Guderian, Rommel, etc.)
For the budget minded, it would be interesting to use proper nutrient assisted therapy with the pre-diagnosed losers and psychos, while letting the goody two shoes folks get their usual drug-filled relief from their symptoms.
These contorted efforts to find a positive score for an experimental group lead me to suspect that this was a manufacturer’s sponsored experiment that needed to find something positive about the experimental subjects’ treatment experiences.
True psychiatry in action- trying to make an ineffective treatment worthwhile by doctoring rating scales. Assuming that depressions may have multiple sources is still too much for the psychiatric “thought” leaders to grasp.
There are numerous sources of depressed moods. Without making any effort to identify the particular one(s), antidepressant treatment is no better than random chance in raising an individual’s mood.
I have, but I prefer niacin. Because I have a history of excessive drinking and doping, I don’t mind flushing. Besides, taking 6g daily (2g t.i.d.), I only flush first thing in the AM or if I dally with midday doses. Anyway, now I only feel the flush, but I usually don’t turn red.
Besides, this gives me the opportunity to play evil pranks on those who like to ransack other people’s cars. A dozen 500mg. tablets in a bottle that says “take one at bedtime” stashed in the glove box makes a perfect gift for such individuals. Besides, this way the thief has enough tablets to give to friends.
What about getting addicted to them? Is a nine month course of them a long enough time to develop a jones, the junkies’ term for an active addiction?
There is a way to target such drugs, but the tests enabling one to do so are ridiculed by Big Time Psychiatry, which despises quantifying symptoms, in lieu of blindly following the advice of Big Pharma salespeople pushing the latest psychiatric Wonder Drug (you wonder why it was prescribed for you when it doesn’t do anything constructive for your condition).
There are drugless techniques that can be used to keep troops in the field longer, but I’m not revealing anything to the Green Machine’s poohbahs if I can help it. The lifers would just use any such techniques to keep their troops forward for truly excessive time periods, so they’d go bananas anyway.
You were lucky, Subvet416, to have found this out. Had the VA shrinks found out you were going orthomolecular, they’d have twisted themselves into pretzels trying to stop you from using this deluded form of treatment. I just keep taking my B3 and don’t let any mental health personnel find out what I’m doing. Surely I must be tortured by side effects I’m unaware of, despite taking megavitamin B3 for 45 years (plus assorted other nutrients).
It’s a hard idea to get across, at first. These are the conditions that the psychologically inclined frequently fumble, because they aren’t quite aware of interactions between body and mind- that this is a two-way street.
Someone’s trying to eat their cake and have it, too. Our Distinguished Politician from Texas wants a safe state while ignoring its armed, but voting, morons walking around on city streets with their AK’s and AR15’s, just looking for a chance to open fire in a crowded street. He also is unaware of the nature of the paranoids’ mentality, which will easily outwit these screening plans, being easily able to see through the reasoning behind the questions in the universal tests given them while they’re still in school.
I know what the ankh was, but it was around 2,000 years before the Christian Cross.
I thought the caduceus was the symbol of Asclepius, the Greek God of Medicine. The caduceus is his staff.
Frank. Mark Vonnegut seems to be doing well, though. He’s practicing medicine in upstate NY, last I heard.
Yes, helpstillneeded. I had a couple of conversations with a gent moving north from the Oakland County area in my state. He was an old internist who became interested in therapeutic fasting, studying under Theron Randolph. He wanted to move to a less-polluted in our state, where he could supervise fasts (Randolph had him fast as part of his own instruction). As he was moving in, I got free instructions for adjusting my B3 (he was a shock doc downstate and probably started using B3 to help save his patients’ long term memories).
Curiously, the hospital he was moving to wouldn’t let him fast patients because “it might be too dangerous”, but saw nothing wrong with his shock doc past (he did them all at his former hospital- thousands of them), an interesting observation on the psychiatric mentality.
I found out about him at a monthly meeting of a group of former patients. One of the regulars was a guy who’d had 200 (plus or minus) zaps from assorted inept MD’s, who saw nothing wrong with the doc in question.
When did this take place? If it was back in the 1980’s or earlier, you might have run afoul of Carl Pfeiffer and his Brain Bio Center. I’ve read his stuff, and he tended to be heavy on initial drugging while he sorted out his patients’ chemistry. He had a background as a Professor of Pharmacology at Emory U. at Atlanta (among other things). I don’t think he ever did LSD and adrenochrome like Hoffer and Osmond did.
Sounds more like attempts to market antidepressants than to actually properly treat the youthful depressed, who will frequently respond to treatments that don’t use drugs at all, if the alleged professional knows anything real about the bio-social origins of depressed moods.
I think all of Trump’s sayings and shouting signify that his self confidence is actually crock solid, rather than rock solid. His fear of reverses is the giveaway, but his fans will never see that- they’re not supposed to, and they work as hard as they can to stay hypnotized, in order to remain blind.
They might feel less toxic and more comfortable, but that certainly can change, once the drugs deprive them of enough manganese.
More importantly, you can deceive yourself.
These investigators have also avoided paying attention to mega-nutrient therapies as well, maybe because the villainous psychiatric knight, Abram Hoffer, recommended them after his success treating PTSD troops and Death Camp survivors with multigram doses of B3 per day.
I didn’t stay on them for long, not realizing I was supposed to sleep 15 hours a day, which I haven’t done since. Fortunately this was long before the days of the “atypical” antipsychotics, so it was a snap.
It isn’t necessarily stupid if you’re a believer in Psychiatry Unlimited, which I, alas, am not.
Actually, benzo withdrawal is worse than alcohol withdrawal. Alcohol withdrawal can be sped up and done safely with liberal use (multiple grams/day) of niacin, which speeds up (safe) withdrawal to a couple of days. No such luck with benzos, which are fat soluble and therefore much slower to clear. Maybe niacinamide would work there (it doesn’t with alcohol), occupying the same neural sites as benzos, but the process would need to be directed in a hospital (I’ve directed alcohol withdrawals at home, though I wouldn’t recommend that, either).
I’ve seen a number of self-accounts in copies of the Journals of Orthomolecular Psychiatry and of Orthomolecular Medicine. Maybe that was one reason they’re blackballed by the psychiatric community, and probably now also by the orthodox medical community (in addition to publishing stuff about nutritional treatments for fatal diseases like HIV/AIDS) except in British Columbia.
Naturally the study was a waste of time, relying on behaviorally centered diagnosing. You knew that papa was a fruitcake who beat on his daughters, but not any physical reasons why. Nobody bothered to quantify his altered perceptions. Nor did the savants know anything about what we call PTSD, although that’s likely the result of chemical changes due to stress (Abram Hoffer treated a number of Canadian POW’s and concentration camp survivors with niacin, achieving some success). The tests for pyroluria didn’t exist, which might have proven of value once the stressor, AKA Papa, was out of the way for an extended period of time (that is, if he had pyrolles in his urine, for starters), to reduce the likelihood residual effects from situational factors.
This was also done back in psychiatry’s Jurassic epoch, which didn’t help its validity any.
I know too much to be involved in peer support. I dare not work with any agency because I actually know how to treat some of their patients, which will get me terminated, particularly if the patients I see greatly improve and the professional staff’s initial assessment was shown to be incorrect. This already has happened once, with alcoholics in residential treatment. And I’d have done it again, were I not let go. Fortunately, I’m now on Social Security, so treatment centers can shove it.
The first question to ask is whether the depressive symptoms preceded the phone use, or whether the phone use preceded the symptoms. In the Jurassic preceding smart phones, in my old crisis center days, I recall depressed individuals who just wanted to talk to someone.
I thought you GOP guys were true conservatives, eyes fixed on the past, but you don’t remember 19th Century mental institutions, which were far from cities, so escapees were easily caught. These institutions couldn’t exist without the patients, because the patients did all the grunt work, and then some. The grounds had farm acreage and barns because the patients fed themselves and did the necessary work maintaining them, the excuse being that this was a part of their treatment (a more cogent reason was that taxes to support them were less needed, once the early ones “silted up” with patients).
It’s cheaper and more tempting to go with starchy and sweet pseudo-foods, particularly when the costs will be passed on to the criminal justice and/or “mental health” system and the taxpayers, instead of the schools, themselves.
May I point out again that l-glutamine antagonizes these ketamine and phencyclidine(PCP) class drugs, as they antagonize its metabolite, glutamate. Since glutamine is comparatively cheap in bulk and can’t be patented, your friends in Big Pharma will never consider marketing it, themselves. It’s on the market as a bulk powder for the hyper-athletic, because it helps supply oxygen for their muscles. As a side note, it also reduces the desire to drink alcoholic beverages.
Don’t forget about the school cafeteria. Removing the junk food is likely to lead to fewer behavioral episodes and afternoon snoozers driving your teaching staff crazy, as well as providing a better internal attitude to learning for the students.
Those foreigners don’t understand that the only purpose of creating new drugs is to increase earnings. It doesn’t matter if the new drugs are worthless or even dangerous, as long as the company increases its earnings by selling them.
There are a number of physical depressing things that DON’T involve things in your brain you can localize, but that certainly involve things in the rest of your body that may or may not be localized that are involved in depressed moods. Therapists should be aware of them so their clients won’t wind up in the clutches of people like me- and one of my interests involves others’ treatment failures.
They likely do, but it’s also likely depressing circumstances can lead to a depressing diet and depressing habits and activities. If I had to do psych first aid and couldn’t find anything I was familiar with, I’d send the individual to you, being too weird to be properly attentive, myself.
I don’t know about this. As a former 11 bangbang with a Combat Idiot’s Badge (the writer will know what those things are), Lieutenants were people trained for the mission to get me stupidly killed. Cannabis helped get me through my tour, but I hear they drug tested during his active service days, as they probably do now. By the way, before I went to the Land of the Little People, I washed out of OCS because I couldn’t look like an officer should.
But then I was in a different army in a different time.
He was also interested in unusual states of mind, building a collection of several hundred autobiographical books by mental patients, alcoholics and addicts, LGBT folks, including cross-dressers. He wrote reviews about a number of the individuals who appeared in the several hundred volumes in his collection (some, like Aliester Crowley, rather infamous). In his profession he started as a GI man, not a shrink, but became interested in the subject when he experienced a flow of patients with what we used to call psychosomatic gut problems over his GI years. The title of his book was *Minds that Came Back*
Not in the modern sense, but was was no Bible thumper or closet Nazi. He was very open minded for his day and even got his newspaper column demoted to remote regions of the NY Times for bad-mouthing psychoanalysis as a treatment.
And what, may I ask, is this effort to globalize psychiatric pseudo-medicine all about? Enlarging the market for pseudo-therapeutic drugs? Providing new territory for expanding pseudo-benevolence? Promoting careers delivering pseudo-benevolent solutions to solve local problems?
And I thought grandiosity was supposed to be a symptom of psychiatric pseudo-illnesses.
Acting weird on 10mg. Haldol? You were probably lucky you could act at all.
Think of Sun Tzu’s first maxim. “Know your enemy, know yourself and you can never be defeated.” Thus you can anticipate hostile actions and prepare yourself to avoid them or defeat them.
Imbalances can be a touchy subject here, because some of the contributors have confused real medicine with psychiatric pseudo-medicine, which doesn’t seem to grasp the idea that your mind functioning well is dependent on how well the rest of your body functions, thus ignoring things like metabolic imbalances, allergies and heavy metal poisoning as sources of mental disturbances.
Notice how none of our authorities have grasped that low calcium and/or Vitamin D3 might have anything to do with these mistreated “depressions” and the sorry results of pharmaceutical treatment.
Also notice how it presumes depression to be an independent entity unto itself, and not the result of one or more biological malfunctions that can induce it (also known as a syndrome that requires examination to realize the proper treatment).
This is the stuff you get when you believe that depression comes from some localized brain area’s simple malfunctioning, instead of presuming it to be a syndrome that can originate from one or more of a multitude of health related conditions. This seems to be some kind of Adventure in Psycho-neurology where it’s assumed one’s brain works exactly like a computer, where the brain is composed of isolated pieces that can be subjected to control by turning the right ones on and shutting the “wrong” ones off, like doing electrical repairs on your car or an appliance (click, click and all is well).
Not that radical. I’ve read stuff by the late Walter Alvarez, MD, written over 50 years ago on the same topic. He was hardly a left-wing radical, yet he treated the subject evenly, honestly concerning himself with how the matter affected those most affected by “unusual” sexual and gender preferences and beliefs. But then, he was an early advocate of Hoffer and Osmond’s megavitamin B3 therapy for schizophrenia syndrome.
The actual treatment for pyroluria can be quite cheap, as the basics are B6 and zinc, which aren’t patentable. The B6 is adjusted by increasing it until you remember your dreams, the zinc until you don’t get new white spots in your fingernails. Naturally, this process is too complex for modern pseudo-medical psychiatry and its galaxy of side effect inducing drugs.
Elizabeth D, I actually went to my orthomolecular site. Simple name-Orthomolecular. org. Site has directories of practitioners for every state.
Well, the DSM disorders have to do something, seeing as how they have no relationship to the proper treatment of the conditions they allegedly describe.
BPD is a prominent inhabitant of the diagnostic wastebasket, supported by hearsay. Like the other alleged psychiatric diagnoses, it’s a behavioral description that can arise from multiple origins. Its primary use is to get you kicked out of therapy because the therapist thinks you’re an untreatable (and maybe a shamming) geek who craves attention.
The Canadians have a site sponsored by their International Schizophrenia Foundation (you’ll have to look up the site’s name, as I can’t remember it offhand, having it in my library of programs so I don’t have to look). They have an index of Canadian practitioners, but I don’t know if they include US practitioners and their addresses as well. The guys I saw were all old at the time (40+ years ago) and I take care of myself, so I can’t really help you there.
This demonstrates why you should get the functional testing done early, BEFORE you go see conventional shrinks. If you’ve got to see a shrink, look for an orthomolecular practitioner- they’ll do functional testing as well, before they prescribe anything. Actually, some of these tests can be quite cheap- a lot cheaper than continuous visits to a conventional practitioner with an eternally ready prescription pad.
Since I don’t think that psychiatric “diagnoses” are real diagnoses, I find this article to have a certain “tempest in a teapot” quality. Unfortunately, it seems to reinforce the notion that “depression” is a real disease entity unto itself, which leads down countless blind alleys in the search for “treatments”, while ignoring the real issues in dealing with depressed moods.
It would be more of a surprise to discover antidepressants did work, since depression is just a behavioral description that can have many different causes. The one thing they do accomplish is magically transporting your money to pharmaceutical companies’ bank accounts.
Well, with most psychiatric drug based treatments, the patient never recovers, but now has this beef against anything claiming to be treatment and will do anything to avoid going back. The only plus about this stuff is that the treatment zombifies patients so they can’t do anything while you keep them around, vegetating for the rest of their lives, because you can never tell if the public will be safe from them.
I don’t know about psychology alone, but if you take your supplements, watch what you eat, avoid sweets and desserts and stay away from stimulants and hallucinogens, you can make a decent approximation without a great deal of difficulty.
Maybe a key editor took it unto himself to prove the mushrooms on the cow flop were edible.
And these guys are the alleged “Thought Leaders” of Big Time Psychiatry? Are we sure they aren’t space aliens seeking to turn the entire population into hapless zombies?
No, but there are a number of conditions which can mimic the syndrome shrinks mistakenly call schizophrenia. As far as I know, psych drugs have positive effects on few to none of these mimics, other than to perhaps give you dyskinesia, should you be daft enough to call that a positive effect.
Big Pharma has to deluge the market with dubious antipsychotic drugs. NAD (nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide) is coming on the market. It has the same antipsychotic properties as “straight” niacin, but works much faster in the treatment of various “schizophrenias”, which must be hidden to preserve the market for allegedly antipsychotic drugs, as it’s unpatentable.
With 5 rounds in the revolver instead of one.
Bad idea. Now many more companies will use these guys as models for their own policies. Under our present leadership, the Shkreli Award winners will be models of how to conduct profit-making health care businesses.
This trial was bound to fail, given the molecular nature of “depressions”, which are likely to be as varied as the other “mental disorders”. They’re in the same league as the Michigan shrinks many years ago, who couldn’t understand why a state hospital’s “schizophrenic” patient’s hair turned green (Wilson’s Disease should be coming to mind for you MIA MD’s).
My mother had to put up with that jive back when I was first symptomatic. Fortunately, she no longer put up with it after finding out I was simply B3 dependent and likely low in zinc. (I was in school in Michigan’s copper country during my first bonkers period)
I avoid contacts with shrinks who scream about pill shaming, because I don’t want to show my prophetic powers-“you are about to have a bad physical experience that could be life threatening…”
Dr. Friedman isn’t going to be able to do anything about suicidally depressed teens, because he thinks depression is some kind of exotic disease to be treated with equally exotic drugs. Well, Doc, depression’s a syndrome that can arise from multiple (pedestrian) causes, not an independent illness awaiting treatment with a magic (and expensive) cure from Big Pharma.
Unfortunately, the best treatments for suicidal depression are fought tooth and nail by Big Time Psychiatry because they aren’t drug based. What psychiatrist is going to risk his reputation, his office toys and his free vacation trips at pharmaceutical company expense, just to keep his patients safely alive, when they were bonkers enough to consult with him because they were severely depressed?
Maybe megascorbate taken at the level just below the one that gives you the trots. It has antiviral properties at high levels.
Another case of monumental ineptitude for the ages. Big Time Psychiatry fumbles another post partum incident. Of course it was too much to do this right, using an HOD test to quantify things, checking her nails and asking her if she remembers her dreams. You’re going to treat her with B6, zinc (and maybe magnesium), B100’s and C (which the article’s antidepressant shrinks would find deadly dangerous), raising the B6 to the point where dreams are remembered. Do your tapering after several months. This “depression” is pretty likely the result of high serum copper at the end of the pregnancy. This sort of treatment has only been around for 30+ years.
Well, if the doctor gave you a fatal OD, you wouldn’t be part of the group of depression sufferers any more, would you. Strike another successful therapeutic blow for psychiatry!
It’s easy to see why this study proved to be raw material for cellulose insulation- the only thing the study participants had in common were depressed moods. Other than that, they were probably a heterogeneous group, depression being a syndrome instead of an actual disease.
It doesn’t seem to have occurred to the article’s “thought leaders” that this ennui about aspirations and goals might come from an individual’s energy levels that might be fading for some reason or other, making the aspirations and goals harder to pursue. Apparently, trying to find out why doesn’t have much of a following in psychiatry.
And the same guys who did these alleged studies would roar with fury at the thought of using B1 and/or B12 as a treatment for depressions, preferring treatments they’d falsely proved to be effective, despite also knowing they’d scammed the results of their alleged studies.
Don’t forget Slavery is Freedom and Ignorance is Strength.
They’re afraid of embarrassment at having their mistakes become public.
To do it correctly, you’d need to replace “schizophrenia” with a number of terms. “Schizophrenia” isn’t a disease at all, but a syndrome- a collection of symptoms and signs with multiple possible origins and treatments- no “one treatment fits all.”
I would be interested in seeing if niacinamide has any value in withdrawing from benzos, occupying the same receptor sites that benzos do. I know it doesn’t work for alcohol withdrawal (but niacin does), but theory suggests it might for benzos.
No. It’s use is more or less confined to antipsychotics, which antagonize manganese. I don’t know what the story is on SSRI’s, which seem to induce certain neurological properties that resemble dyskinesias brought on by antipsychotics.
His passing shows the limits of conventional formal education in pharmacology. He suffered for years from dyskinesia/akathisia without realizing that manganese is therapeutic for it, if we can believe Richard Kunin, MD, who treated a small series of patients with it in the 1980’s. Maybe that’s because the orthomolecular guys took it up right away and now routinely use it, proof positive to the orthodox that such treatments are useless.
Distortions in perception that can involve sight, hearing, touch, smell, taste and perhaps interpretation. Some of them, for example, like those of being watched or talked about, can lead to spectacularly (and frequently) bad results. Hallucinations are obvious ones, but suffering from subtle ones can lead to more unfortunate outcomes.
I wonder if these researchers paid any attention to whether their subjects had dysperceptions prior to their getting ayahuasca. Dysperceptions, particularly numerous ones, are a contradiction against psychedelic therapy, and the most efficient way to find them (HOD test and its relatives) are on the Big Time Psychiatric Black List, thanks to their frequent use by the dreaded orthomolecular practitioners.
I understand, Steve. It’s just that the crazies shout loudest to make their messages real and pretend they’re a group much larger than reality permits. The Republicans with brains are overshadowed by the professional nitwits, in terms of air time.
I wonder if the President should have himself committed, as he’s far more dangerous than all the country’s bums put together.
Removed for moderation.
You’ve got a point there, OH. Nothing’s too ridiculous for psychiatrists to puff- I’ve seen that piece on ketamine in this issue.
Well, the psychiatric “thought” leaders and their Pharma Bros. would have kittens if they knew tardive dyskinesia wouldn’t exist if “antipsychotic” tablets had one mg. of manganese added to each and every one. This information has only been around for 30+ years, which hasn’t given the “thought” leaders time enough to test the hypothesis.
Actually, organized psychiatry has historically been hostile to the notion of nutritional medicine, (correctly) fearing that any GP (or even former “mental” patients) can treat mental conditions as well, or better, than they can (there go the paid winter vacations in the Caribbean).
Try going to the orthomolecular web site. It even has lists of practitioners and even a library, where you can look up pioneer issues of the Journal of Orthomolecular Medicine. I think it’s called orthomolecular.org. (I use the site but haven’t looked up the proper web address for some time as it’s in my machine’s memory, now).
She already knows more about “depression” than conventional psychiatrists, thanks to her experiences. Good thing for them she didn’t recover from a schizophrenia syndrome, which would expose her to constant abusive “correction” from these guys.
This may be interesting, as the nutritional approach to “mental” health is oppositional to big-time corporate pharmacology, as well as big-time psychiatry, which have doubtlessly spent millions “proving” your diet has nothing to do with your sanity, compared to the beneficial effects of “antipsychotics” and “antidepressants”. Don’t forget the “minor” tranquilizers.
Mallet therapy would do the same thing as ketamine at a fraction of the price, there being no drug cost involved in having your head smacked at regular intervals. Though I doubt anyone would look forward to mallet sessions any more than they’d seek to have ECT sessions regularly.
From a dreary career haunting houses to presently writing professionally groundbreaking medical articles about state of the art pharmaceuticals- it’s been a profitable time for the nation’s ghosts.
Makes me wonder how Joe Adams is doing. He had two spectacular psychotic episodes about 60 years ago in which he suffered various delusions about being reincarnated religious fanatics of the early Reformation era. Eventually he became California’s Director of Mental Health (this was probably when the state was toying with alternate “mental health” treatments in the 1960’s, Adams having been working for Hoffer and Osmond when he had the hallucinatory episodes and received megavitamin B3 and C as treatment).
Years ago, the late Abram Hoffer suggested that governments create agencies that did nothing except test therapeutic claims and remedies and was without connections with manufacturers and pressure groups. Considering his reputation as the evil wizard of psychiatry, manufacturers and organized groups benefitting from their largesse will fight tooth and nail to preserve the present business-oriented system.
Biological cause unknown? That’s strange- I can think of several possible causes for each of the above five symptom complexes. I can even treat some of them using off-the-shelf materials, despite being a psychiatric nobody. How am I supposed to be impressed by this psychiatric pretentiousness?
Well, if you’re a shrink, you’d better know about these diseases and be able to identify them- it could be expensive if you didn’t. Though psychiatric patients don’t sue, I suspect a real patient will if wrongly treated for a “psychiatric” disorder for a “mental” disease (s)he didn’t have and you gave them akathisia (to boot) with a misdirected attempt at pharmacotherapy for the nonexistent mental condition.
Mental illnesses probably don’t have an independent existence, but “mental” consequences of physical illnesses certainly do. Obvious things are dietary deficiency diseases like pellagra, heavy metal poisoning, metabolic excesses or shortages. Just being a psychiatrist doesn’t exempt you from knowing these things, while simultaneously pretending to have secret “bio-medical” knowledge unknown to peasants.
AI is probably useless for psych diagnosing, as psych “diagnoses” are totally subjective and inconsistent. With some decent data, AI diagnosticians could identify conditions that led to the alleged diagnoses, but incapable of telling shrinks anything about what they wanted to hear to direct their faulty prescribing.
And he also found out what addictive allergies are all about, while avoiding another session of going bonkers for science.
One separation, though trivial- the number of younger general officers in the Wehrmacht (and likely the SS) having to go on convalescent leave because they suddenly developed heart problems (Guderian, Rommel, etc.)
For the budget minded, it would be interesting to use proper nutrient assisted therapy with the pre-diagnosed losers and psychos, while letting the goody two shoes folks get their usual drug-filled relief from their symptoms.
These contorted efforts to find a positive score for an experimental group lead me to suspect that this was a manufacturer’s sponsored experiment that needed to find something positive about the experimental subjects’ treatment experiences.
True psychiatry in action- trying to make an ineffective treatment worthwhile by doctoring rating scales. Assuming that depressions may have multiple sources is still too much for the psychiatric “thought” leaders to grasp.
There are numerous sources of depressed moods. Without making any effort to identify the particular one(s), antidepressant treatment is no better than random chance in raising an individual’s mood.
I have, but I prefer niacin. Because I have a history of excessive drinking and doping, I don’t mind flushing. Besides, taking 6g daily (2g t.i.d.), I only flush first thing in the AM or if I dally with midday doses. Anyway, now I only feel the flush, but I usually don’t turn red.
Besides, this gives me the opportunity to play evil pranks on those who like to ransack other people’s cars. A dozen 500mg. tablets in a bottle that says “take one at bedtime” stashed in the glove box makes a perfect gift for such individuals. Besides, this way the thief has enough tablets to give to friends.
What about getting addicted to them? Is a nine month course of them a long enough time to develop a jones, the junkies’ term for an active addiction?
There is a way to target such drugs, but the tests enabling one to do so are ridiculed by Big Time Psychiatry, which despises quantifying symptoms, in lieu of blindly following the advice of Big Pharma salespeople pushing the latest psychiatric Wonder Drug (you wonder why it was prescribed for you when it doesn’t do anything constructive for your condition).
There are drugless techniques that can be used to keep troops in the field longer, but I’m not revealing anything to the Green Machine’s poohbahs if I can help it. The lifers would just use any such techniques to keep their troops forward for truly excessive time periods, so they’d go bananas anyway.
You were lucky, Subvet416, to have found this out. Had the VA shrinks found out you were going orthomolecular, they’d have twisted themselves into pretzels trying to stop you from using this deluded form of treatment. I just keep taking my B3 and don’t let any mental health personnel find out what I’m doing. Surely I must be tortured by side effects I’m unaware of, despite taking megavitamin B3 for 45 years (plus assorted other nutrients).
It’s a hard idea to get across, at first. These are the conditions that the psychologically inclined frequently fumble, because they aren’t quite aware of interactions between body and mind- that this is a two-way street.
Someone’s trying to eat their cake and have it, too. Our Distinguished Politician from Texas wants a safe state while ignoring its armed, but voting, morons walking around on city streets with their AK’s and AR15’s, just looking for a chance to open fire in a crowded street. He also is unaware of the nature of the paranoids’ mentality, which will easily outwit these screening plans, being easily able to see through the reasoning behind the questions in the universal tests given them while they’re still in school.
I know what the ankh was, but it was around 2,000 years before the Christian Cross.
I thought the caduceus was the symbol of Asclepius, the Greek God of Medicine. The caduceus is his staff.
Frank. Mark Vonnegut seems to be doing well, though. He’s practicing medicine in upstate NY, last I heard.
Yes, helpstillneeded. I had a couple of conversations with a gent moving north from the Oakland County area in my state. He was an old internist who became interested in therapeutic fasting, studying under Theron Randolph. He wanted to move to a less-polluted in our state, where he could supervise fasts (Randolph had him fast as part of his own instruction). As he was moving in, I got free instructions for adjusting my B3 (he was a shock doc downstate and probably started using B3 to help save his patients’ long term memories).
Curiously, the hospital he was moving to wouldn’t let him fast patients because “it might be too dangerous”, but saw nothing wrong with his shock doc past (he did them all at his former hospital- thousands of them), an interesting observation on the psychiatric mentality.
I found out about him at a monthly meeting of a group of former patients. One of the regulars was a guy who’d had 200 (plus or minus) zaps from assorted inept MD’s, who saw nothing wrong with the doc in question.
When did this take place? If it was back in the 1980’s or earlier, you might have run afoul of Carl Pfeiffer and his Brain Bio Center. I’ve read his stuff, and he tended to be heavy on initial drugging while he sorted out his patients’ chemistry. He had a background as a Professor of Pharmacology at Emory U. at Atlanta (among other things). I don’t think he ever did LSD and adrenochrome like Hoffer and Osmond did.
Sounds more like attempts to market antidepressants than to actually properly treat the youthful depressed, who will frequently respond to treatments that don’t use drugs at all, if the alleged professional knows anything real about the bio-social origins of depressed moods.
I think all of Trump’s sayings and shouting signify that his self confidence is actually crock solid, rather than rock solid. His fear of reverses is the giveaway, but his fans will never see that- they’re not supposed to, and they work as hard as they can to stay hypnotized, in order to remain blind.
They might feel less toxic and more comfortable, but that certainly can change, once the drugs deprive them of enough manganese.
More importantly, you can deceive yourself.
These investigators have also avoided paying attention to mega-nutrient therapies as well, maybe because the villainous psychiatric knight, Abram Hoffer, recommended them after his success treating PTSD troops and Death Camp survivors with multigram doses of B3 per day.
I didn’t stay on them for long, not realizing I was supposed to sleep 15 hours a day, which I haven’t done since. Fortunately this was long before the days of the “atypical” antipsychotics, so it was a snap.
It isn’t necessarily stupid if you’re a believer in Psychiatry Unlimited, which I, alas, am not.
Actually, benzo withdrawal is worse than alcohol withdrawal. Alcohol withdrawal can be sped up and done safely with liberal use (multiple grams/day) of niacin, which speeds up (safe) withdrawal to a couple of days. No such luck with benzos, which are fat soluble and therefore much slower to clear. Maybe niacinamide would work there (it doesn’t with alcohol), occupying the same neural sites as benzos, but the process would need to be directed in a hospital (I’ve directed alcohol withdrawals at home, though I wouldn’t recommend that, either).
I’ve seen a number of self-accounts in copies of the Journals of Orthomolecular Psychiatry and of Orthomolecular Medicine. Maybe that was one reason they’re blackballed by the psychiatric community, and probably now also by the orthodox medical community (in addition to publishing stuff about nutritional treatments for fatal diseases like HIV/AIDS) except in British Columbia.
Naturally the study was a waste of time, relying on behaviorally centered diagnosing. You knew that papa was a fruitcake who beat on his daughters, but not any physical reasons why. Nobody bothered to quantify his altered perceptions. Nor did the savants know anything about what we call PTSD, although that’s likely the result of chemical changes due to stress (Abram Hoffer treated a number of Canadian POW’s and concentration camp survivors with niacin, achieving some success). The tests for pyroluria didn’t exist, which might have proven of value once the stressor, AKA Papa, was out of the way for an extended period of time (that is, if he had pyrolles in his urine, for starters), to reduce the likelihood residual effects from situational factors.
This was also done back in psychiatry’s Jurassic epoch, which didn’t help its validity any.
I know too much to be involved in peer support. I dare not work with any agency because I actually know how to treat some of their patients, which will get me terminated, particularly if the patients I see greatly improve and the professional staff’s initial assessment was shown to be incorrect. This already has happened once, with alcoholics in residential treatment. And I’d have done it again, were I not let go. Fortunately, I’m now on Social Security, so treatment centers can shove it.
The first question to ask is whether the depressive symptoms preceded the phone use, or whether the phone use preceded the symptoms. In the Jurassic preceding smart phones, in my old crisis center days, I recall depressed individuals who just wanted to talk to someone.
I thought you GOP guys were true conservatives, eyes fixed on the past, but you don’t remember 19th Century mental institutions, which were far from cities, so escapees were easily caught. These institutions couldn’t exist without the patients, because the patients did all the grunt work, and then some. The grounds had farm acreage and barns because the patients fed themselves and did the necessary work maintaining them, the excuse being that this was a part of their treatment (a more cogent reason was that taxes to support them were less needed, once the early ones “silted up” with patients).
It’s cheaper and more tempting to go with starchy and sweet pseudo-foods, particularly when the costs will be passed on to the criminal justice and/or “mental health” system and the taxpayers, instead of the schools, themselves.
May I point out again that l-glutamine antagonizes these ketamine and phencyclidine(PCP) class drugs, as they antagonize its metabolite, glutamate. Since glutamine is comparatively cheap in bulk and can’t be patented, your friends in Big Pharma will never consider marketing it, themselves. It’s on the market as a bulk powder for the hyper-athletic, because it helps supply oxygen for their muscles. As a side note, it also reduces the desire to drink alcoholic beverages.
Don’t forget about the school cafeteria. Removing the junk food is likely to lead to fewer behavioral episodes and afternoon snoozers driving your teaching staff crazy, as well as providing a better internal attitude to learning for the students.
Those foreigners don’t understand that the only purpose of creating new drugs is to increase earnings. It doesn’t matter if the new drugs are worthless or even dangerous, as long as the company increases its earnings by selling them.
There are a number of physical depressing things that DON’T involve things in your brain you can localize, but that certainly involve things in the rest of your body that may or may not be localized that are involved in depressed moods. Therapists should be aware of them so their clients won’t wind up in the clutches of people like me- and one of my interests involves others’ treatment failures.
They likely do, but it’s also likely depressing circumstances can lead to a depressing diet and depressing habits and activities. If I had to do psych first aid and couldn’t find anything I was familiar with, I’d send the individual to you, being too weird to be properly attentive, myself.
I don’t know about this. As a former 11 bangbang with a Combat Idiot’s Badge (the writer will know what those things are), Lieutenants were people trained for the mission to get me stupidly killed. Cannabis helped get me through my tour, but I hear they drug tested during his active service days, as they probably do now. By the way, before I went to the Land of the Little People, I washed out of OCS because I couldn’t look like an officer should.
But then I was in a different army in a different time.
He was also interested in unusual states of mind, building a collection of several hundred autobiographical books by mental patients, alcoholics and addicts, LGBT folks, including cross-dressers. He wrote reviews about a number of the individuals who appeared in the several hundred volumes in his collection (some, like Aliester Crowley, rather infamous). In his profession he started as a GI man, not a shrink, but became interested in the subject when he experienced a flow of patients with what we used to call psychosomatic gut problems over his GI years. The title of his book was *Minds that Came Back*
Not in the modern sense, but was was no Bible thumper or closet Nazi. He was very open minded for his day and even got his newspaper column demoted to remote regions of the NY Times for bad-mouthing psychoanalysis as a treatment.
And what, may I ask, is this effort to globalize psychiatric pseudo-medicine all about? Enlarging the market for pseudo-therapeutic drugs? Providing new territory for expanding pseudo-benevolence? Promoting careers delivering pseudo-benevolent solutions to solve local problems?
And I thought grandiosity was supposed to be a symptom of psychiatric pseudo-illnesses.
Acting weird on 10mg. Haldol? You were probably lucky you could act at all.
Think of Sun Tzu’s first maxim. “Know your enemy, know yourself and you can never be defeated.” Thus you can anticipate hostile actions and prepare yourself to avoid them or defeat them.
Imbalances can be a touchy subject here, because some of the contributors have confused real medicine with psychiatric pseudo-medicine, which doesn’t seem to grasp the idea that your mind functioning well is dependent on how well the rest of your body functions, thus ignoring things like metabolic imbalances, allergies and heavy metal poisoning as sources of mental disturbances.
Notice how none of our authorities have grasped that low calcium and/or Vitamin D3 might have anything to do with these mistreated “depressions” and the sorry results of pharmaceutical treatment.
Also notice how it presumes depression to be an independent entity unto itself, and not the result of one or more biological malfunctions that can induce it (also known as a syndrome that requires examination to realize the proper treatment).
This is the stuff you get when you believe that depression comes from some localized brain area’s simple malfunctioning, instead of presuming it to be a syndrome that can originate from one or more of a multitude of health related conditions. This seems to be some kind of Adventure in Psycho-neurology where it’s assumed one’s brain works exactly like a computer, where the brain is composed of isolated pieces that can be subjected to control by turning the right ones on and shutting the “wrong” ones off, like doing electrical repairs on your car or an appliance (click, click and all is well).
Not that radical. I’ve read stuff by the late Walter Alvarez, MD, written over 50 years ago on the same topic. He was hardly a left-wing radical, yet he treated the subject evenly, honestly concerning himself with how the matter affected those most affected by “unusual” sexual and gender preferences and beliefs. But then, he was an early advocate of Hoffer and Osmond’s megavitamin B3 therapy for schizophrenia syndrome.
The actual treatment for pyroluria can be quite cheap, as the basics are B6 and zinc, which aren’t patentable. The B6 is adjusted by increasing it until you remember your dreams, the zinc until you don’t get new white spots in your fingernails. Naturally, this process is too complex for modern pseudo-medical psychiatry and its galaxy of side effect inducing drugs.
Elizabeth D, I actually went to my orthomolecular site. Simple name-Orthomolecular. org. Site has directories of practitioners for every state.
Well, the DSM disorders have to do something, seeing as how they have no relationship to the proper treatment of the conditions they allegedly describe.
BPD is a prominent inhabitant of the diagnostic wastebasket, supported by hearsay. Like the other alleged psychiatric diagnoses, it’s a behavioral description that can arise from multiple origins. Its primary use is to get you kicked out of therapy because the therapist thinks you’re an untreatable (and maybe a shamming) geek who craves attention.
The Canadians have a site sponsored by their International Schizophrenia Foundation (you’ll have to look up the site’s name, as I can’t remember it offhand, having it in my library of programs so I don’t have to look). They have an index of Canadian practitioners, but I don’t know if they include US practitioners and their addresses as well. The guys I saw were all old at the time (40+ years ago) and I take care of myself, so I can’t really help you there.
This demonstrates why you should get the functional testing done early, BEFORE you go see conventional shrinks. If you’ve got to see a shrink, look for an orthomolecular practitioner- they’ll do functional testing as well, before they prescribe anything. Actually, some of these tests can be quite cheap- a lot cheaper than continuous visits to a conventional practitioner with an eternally ready prescription pad.
Since I don’t think that psychiatric “diagnoses” are real diagnoses, I find this article to have a certain “tempest in a teapot” quality. Unfortunately, it seems to reinforce the notion that “depression” is a real disease entity unto itself, which leads down countless blind alleys in the search for “treatments”, while ignoring the real issues in dealing with depressed moods.
It would be more of a surprise to discover antidepressants did work, since depression is just a behavioral description that can have many different causes. The one thing they do accomplish is magically transporting your money to pharmaceutical companies’ bank accounts.
Well, with most psychiatric drug based treatments, the patient never recovers, but now has this beef against anything claiming to be treatment and will do anything to avoid going back. The only plus about this stuff is that the treatment zombifies patients so they can’t do anything while you keep them around, vegetating for the rest of their lives, because you can never tell if the public will be safe from them.
I don’t know about psychology alone, but if you take your supplements, watch what you eat, avoid sweets and desserts and stay away from stimulants and hallucinogens, you can make a decent approximation without a great deal of difficulty.
Maybe a key editor took it unto himself to prove the mushrooms on the cow flop were edible.