Wednesday, October 23, 2019

Comments by Stephen Boren

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  • It’s amazing how even a former “mental patient” who is noncompliant, I take no psych drugs at all, can throw them into a tizzy and get them all upset! What’s it to them if I don’t take toxic drugs?!!!! I have the feeling that there’s a big control issue going on with NAMI, which they cover up under the guise of “parental concern.”

  • Wasn’t it a student of Adler’s who stated,”We cannot protect our children from life and that is why we have to prepare them for it.” A paraphase but I think it gets the general idea.

    I often think of how in many childrens’ sports programs these days there are only “winners” and everyone gets trophies. I don’t want to make little kids feel badly about themselves because they may not be the greatest athelete at the age of six, but I think that giving everyone trophies denies a valuable learning opportunity for the kids and a great teaching opportunity for parents. As we all know, in real life everyone doesn’t get a trophy and to instill this expectation in kids is a disservice to them in their process of development. It hurts to see your child hurt, but learning to accept adversity and defeat is a vital part of developing. Parenting is the most difficult job in the world but if you don’t work with the development of your children you do them no service, even if you give them all opportunities and all the material goods. Sometimes, I get the feeling that it’s easier to let the child get labeled with a diagnosis than it is to work with their development as you did with your kids. Poking pills down them is a lot easier than dealing with their aggravating and disturbing behavior.

  • I have really mixed feelings about all of this. I have great respect for Dr. Breggin and all, and I’m certainly against the SSRIs. It kind of reminds me of what Sandusky’s lawyer may try to do in his trial where they may pull some mumbo jumbo hocus pocos diagnosis from an obscure corner of the DSM to save him if the trial goes against them and it looks as if he may get convicted of the 52 cases of sexual abuse of kids. I’ve been around quite a few people on SSRIs and have never observed this kind of behavior from anyone. Just because I’ve never seen it doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen.

    I would like to hear what others think about this. I wish Anonmymous would log on and share some ideas.

  • Thanks for logging in. I appreciate what you’ve shared here. What really irks me about NAMI is that they act as if they speak for all of we survivors. They certainly don’t speak for me at all. I’m glad that we finally have organizations of our own that speak the reality of what is, as compared to the fantasies of MAMI. MAMI is paternalistic, or maternalistic as the case may be and the membership is certainly not composed of peers. Our voices must become stronger to stand against their desires and message of no hope, no life, and only a broken brain.

  • I don’t hate them, but I’m not going to support them and their agenda either. The NAMI group in my city just held their annual walk-a-thon. I was invited to walk. I graciously declined and when they asked me why I told them that I could not support their agenda at this time because it did not work for freedom of choice in treatment. All they support here is the old toxic drugs treatment with no deviation and forced treatment if you won’t comply. They were incredulous and then I very quickly became persona non grata. They weren’t very gracious about it.

  • I agree totally. All of this is based on diagnosis and all of that is based on faulty fantasies cooked up in the DSM.

    It is not necessary for me to know a person’s diagnosis for me to “walk” with her/him on their journey of dis-ease. I don’t need to diagnosis the person; such things really have no bearing on dealing with the issues. It is in making the human connection with someone suffering dis-ease that makes the true difference. It is not a diagnosis nor is it toxic drugs. The issues are dealt with only in the listening and the caring for that human individual who is in terrible distress.

  • I know someone exactly like the person you describe. He is not ill in any way, just eccentric for a young person. He is wonderful and witty and wise in so many ways and is an extremely talented artist who can work for hours on one of his projects. He isn’t interested in a lot of the “fluff” that makes up so much of modern life and because of this he got the dredded ADD label. He does not have a disorder, he just knows what he’s interested in and will not waste precious time on things that don’t matter to him.

  • I believe that most state hospital have revolving doors these days because the dis-ease that causes psychosis never gets addressed or resolved. People never get the chance to deal with whatever it is in their experiences which needs tending to. The toxic drugs do not help, they only tranqualize and hide what needs to be dealt with. I think this is why places like where you worked and Soteria House were successful; they listened to peoples’ stories and dealt with the dis-ease because they were not afraid of it. People today are very uncomfortable with dis-ease; this is one reason why most people in America run to the doctor for a “pill” when they don’t want to deal with anything difficult or messy in their lives. I believe that many psychiatrists are very afraid of emotions and dis-ease and this is why they drug people into oblivion. If they actually worked and did talk therapy, they would have to roll their sleeves up, get right down there in the nitty-gritty, and have to get their hands “dirty” in all of that dis-ease, disconnect, and huge emotions. That is much too powerful for them to look at because it often stirs up some of their own dis-ease, and they sure don’t want to have to deal with that!

  • In ancient times the first doctors were priests first and doctors second. I believe it’s true that many maladies of the body and all psychological and emotional distress are spiritual problems. I am using spiritual on a much broader understanding and basis than religion. Ancient docotrs investigated the spiritual health of a person before they ever began poking or proding the body. I think that we in the modern world could take some good lessons from the ancients. Perhaps we should begin our journeys seeking better health with an excellent “priest” or “minister” before we ever approach any medical doctors.

  • You obviously know this before I post it, but excess B complexs vitamins, being water soluable, get excreted in the urine and cannot build up and cause harm.

    I also use B complex, with extra niacin and folic acid. I am brighter, more aware, and have fewer periods of “difficulty” than when I took the Effexor or Zoloft. I won’t go anywhere near an antidepressant of any kind these days. B complex vitamins cost a whole lot less than the toxic drugs so you can’t beat that with a stick!

  • The SSRIs are probably “effective” in the short term because of the placebo effect. When I got started on them I was so sure that they were working after the first day of starting them. Looking back on it all, I think I was just convincing myself that they were working, especially that early. I also do not believe that they work, at all. And in fact, we know that for many people put on them for the first time, they experience mania and then they get zapped with the dredded Bi-Polar label.

  • The question that I have is whether or not the people you feel have benefited are experiencing this benefit over a long period of time or whether it is short-term benefit. Studies show that there is some benefit at the beginning but over the long term this disappears and people move into some unpleasant experiences with these drugs. The SSRIs over long periods of time tend to induce depression and the so-called antipsychotics bring on TD and other horrible effects. I am sincere in my asking this question of you and think what you have to say is important. I don’t always agree with you but am so glad that you have taken the stand that you do. For every psychiatrist who even comes close to where you are, a little bit more of the battle has been won. Thank you for approaching things with a more open mind that many psychiatrists. I am always interested in what you have to say.

  • Not only are these nasty drugs used against children in the foster care system, they’re being poked down older people in nursing homes. If you’re old and you are feisty or tend to speak out about the quality of care you’re receiving from the nurshing home, all of a sudden you end up locked in a gerry chair and drooling all over yourself in a drug-induced stupor. Problem taken care of. It’s awful.

  • This is one of the most powerful things I’ve ever read here on MIA. it also stunned me so that I just sat, looking at my monitor screen for a number of minutes. You are a courageous woman. I also have to witness the “sham” of justice that takes place “to make sure that these poor people get the treatment that they so badly need!” It’s very difficult to endure as you watch people being condemned to no life, no justice, no hope, no release; and it’s all done in the name of “caring” and “justice” and all of those other nice words.

    Thank you for sharing this very powerful experience.

  • I agree that there are many people behind this who should be sitting in prison at this moment, starting with people like Beiderman and people of like ilk. Once again, they’re attacking a helpless segment of society who can’t speak out in their own defense. Rathr than question why we have so many children in institutions and the welfare system we attack the victims and shut their mouths so society doesn’t have to listen to them scream in spiritual pain. Perhaps our society needed to be indicted at the same time as numverous individuals. We break their spirits and when this leads to emotional and psychological anguish and disconnect we claim that they have broken brains and “mental illness.” It’s all very disgusting and extremely sad. My question is what can I as an individual do to work to stop this? It’s obvious that our society doesn’t care and will not do anything.

  • I think it was in April that Johnson and Johnson lost a court case in Little Rock, Arkansas for their drug Risperdal(?). The fine levied against them is $1.1 billion. Of course, they quickly appealed the decision. Even though this seems like a huge amount of money to the average person, the drug companies look at it as nothing that bad, jut the price of doing business.

    And now Mr. Gottstein is being punished for doing the right thing. What’s wrong with this picture?

  • Kudos to a brave person and for being willing to stand up and speak the truth. Hopefully your example will strenghen others with the resolve to follow you in speaking the truth. Thanks you.

  • All of us survivors who post here know all of the adverse effects of these toxic drugs. We’ve read all the studies, reports, commentaries, etc. and are informed. How is it then, that doctors sit there and claim that they never knew any of this and didn’t have access to it? If we survivors could gain access to it, some of us being so poor as to have to go to the public library to use the internet, then the doctors could and can do the same thing. But if you point this out to them they claim that you are making a public attack against them here on MIA. If I could find out, and I am a person barely computer literate, then the doctors can and should do the same thing.

    As far as a lot of psychiatrists and staff working in places like state hospitals and community health clinics are concerned; they assume that anything out of the mouths of “mental patients” is always suspect and probably nothing but lies since all we try to do is “manipulate” them. I hear this all the time every day in the state hospital where I work. Many of the psychiatrists and staff pay absolutely no attention to anything patients say to them. And if you make too much of a fuss you get even more meds in your little cup at med time!

  • I was living in the past when I got into the system. I was under the mistaken impression that psychiatrists still did talk therapy. Wrong! I knew sort of what to expect since my wonderful grandmother, a truly Wise Woman in the ancient sense of the title, was incarcerated in the state hospital numerous times and had her brain raped by ect. Although I was not forcibly medicated while on the unit of the hospital there were numerous peoiple who were. As they were made to stand against the wall in front of the med station after taking their pills, to make sure that they didn’t cheek them etc., I realized how they were singled out and discriminated against and got into trouble because I began standing with them. I was ordered to leave their presence and go to my room, which I refused to do. They even threatened me with calling security and I challenged them to do so since I was doing absolutely nothing wrong, other than not complying with their stupid order. My two and a half months on the unit opened my eyes big time to the plight of people labeled as mentally ill and disabled. Up until that time I was a member of the vast majority that never gave things a second thought. We all have to stand in solidarity or the quacks and snake oil peddlers and the drug companies will take down everyone in America. This is one of the reasons that I sought a job at the very hospital where I was kept.

  • Hinduism seems to understand this. Many of the Hindu gods and goddesses have two, opposite aspects. My favorite Hindu paradox is: “Everything matters, nothing matters.” Both parts of the paradox are true. In Buddhism the goal is to turn loose of our ego and realize that we are all one, we are all interconnected. I think it is difficult for Westerners to accept duality. Enlightenment happens when we can let go of the ego and allow ourselves to be one drop of water in the huge universe of the ocean. We are both/and, all at the same time. It is a great move forward to be able to accept this as our reality.

  • Your post made me think of the fact that back when I was a kid, many years ago, we had things that were initiation rites from childhood into adulthood. We didn’t call them this, we called them by such things as high school graduation, etc. These things were aids in helping kids make the next step. I think we’ve lost many of these rites, or we’ve trivialized them to the point that they have no meaning. Now, we have graduation from kindgergarden! Doing something like this takes away from the specialness of the act and empties it of meaning and therefore it can no longer help people move into the next stage of life. We have little kids dressing up like adults and they all have their smart phones, and they have nothing to make them realize what a big step it really is ito adulthood. I’m not one to tell people how to live, but this has even happened to marriage. When people were ready for the next stage they prepared to get married. It acted as the initiation rite into becoming a real part of the community because you added to that community by way of your children who were born Not anymore. You move in with someone and have no real obligations to and for that person what requires you to make relationships work. We are a society who no longer has any myths to guide us nor rites to mark the movement from one thing to the next. We have lost our way and it doesn’t surprise me that this makes it more difficult for our young people. And if they experience a disconnect because of all this stuff, then they’d better watch out because the quacks and the system will get hold of them and pump them full of drugs which make things even worse. This probably makes no sense but thanks for prompting me to do some thinking about why this might happen to people.

  • Supposedly, our government is forbidden to use electric shock on prisoners being interrogated. So, why is it perfectly fine to shock these kids, up to 70 some times in three hours? this is what Skinner did to his rats. Skinner was not a well man or he could never have come up with half of the stuff he did. What is happening at this place is barbaric. I’m glad that the U.N. is getting into the mess so that it can be exposed more broadly for the torture that it is. Israel probably needs to be prosecuted. He doesn’t deserve the title of doctor.

  • He’s the only person standing between us and Pharmageddon since the sheeple public accepts anything and everything; hook, line, and sinker, that the drug companies and the media feed to us. And then you have the quack psychiatrists revving up with their DSM-5 for broader labeling and catching more people in the nets of mentil illness. And of course, they don’t have to support anything with any shred of real science.

  • At the state hospital where I work I sit on the Patient Grievance Committee. As a peer I keep pointing out that if we don’t understand why patients on the units don’t go to groups or want to comply with the wonderful treatments the only way we can find the answers to the our questions is not to sit and assume we know what’s going on, but to go to the source and get it from the horses’ mouths. You’d think I’d brought up the most revolutionary idea in the world when I state the need to ask patients why they do or don’t do things. It’s not rocket science but the assumption on the part of so many staff is that the patients aren’t capable of telling them anything useful. It’s disgusting, disrespectful, and demeaning to the patients, and to me as a peer. However, we may be making progress. The woman responsible for investigating complaints and grievances stated at the last meeting that we are so far off the mark of accomplishing what needs to be done, and we will continue to be so, until we have patients sitting as members of the committee! The rest of the members froze in their seats with these strange looks on their faces!

  • This is awful. NAMI up to its old tricks once again but even worse than ever. I think I will write them a little e-mail and share a few ideas with them. Is anyone standing up to speak out against this insanity? What chance does it have of passing?