Monday, September 24, 2018

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  • The inhuman, severe cruelty of the known effects of these drugs only proves that psychiatrists think people are worth nothing, we are just “outcomes”, not lives. They dont care if people kill themselves, as long as they get their money. Consider the violent genital mutilation that many have suffered including me, which also causes people’s partners to leave them and for life to lose its meaning and pleasure: This probably causes more suicides than people know, not to mention the damage that psychiatrists cause with their hopeless “you have a chemical imbalance and only I can save you” liar, enslaver, abuser schtick.
    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2018/jun/08/my-life-in-sex-after-taking-antidepressants-my-genitals-felt-numb
    https://www.menshealth.com/sex-women/a19533268/antidepressants/

  • Thanks for your efforts to memorialize and honor Dan, who I agree, was targeted by amoral predators for financial and political gain, under quite similar conditions to Nazi era atrocities. I hope someone that he would approve of doing so will make a youtube video of Dan’s story to make it more widely shareable. This man died a horribly terrifying and painful death that was 100% preventable.

  • You made a huge leap of assumptions when coming to a conclusion that the comments section is somehow negative or not going well and that’s why 10% aren’t commenting and a 57% reads/observes but doesn’t comment. MIA increasingly gives carte blanche publishing ability to any shrink or theRapist who comes across the least bit progressive regardless of the highly profitable harm they still cause. The articles stuffed full of psychobabble jargon and the ones basically pushing stockholm syndrome and abuse apologism through gaslighting such as the phrase “psychiatric care” make me angry and I would never put my own personal information or opinions out in the open to be further devoured by these profiteering human rights abusers and their supporters. I read and watch without commenting because I am this close to never reading here again. Even in your own wording James, you say “Regarding our writers, some of you said that you wanted to hear less from professionals, but more personal accounts and others preferred less of these but more from professionals. We take this as a sign that we are holding to our vision as a space for a range of views, experiences and perspectives to come together to enable discussion and debate.”

    Psychiatry being fake science is settled- so MIA’s vision is to throw the victims of this abusive scam under the bus by allowing the perps to publish their drivel as if we didn’t get enough of that while they were abusing us? And then we’re supposed to somehow want to “engage in debate” with them?!?!? That’s like if this was a blog for rape survivors and you allowed “rapists who are thinking about changing” a platform, and the platform encouraged rape victims to “dialogue” with the rapists. Think how violating that is. You really need to question your assumption about why more of us are never commenting. It has nothing to do with “diversity of viewpoints”, which by the way should never be conflated with giving predatory scams, abuse-apologism, and dehumanization further platform. I’ve officially lost hope that Mad in America stands for victims and survivors because you clearly don’t.

  • This is a relief. I have barely visited let alone commented on this site in years. At one time, I was a donor but no more. The reason is that it has become over-run with abuse apologists cloaking themselves in the bullshit terms “reformist” or “critical psychiatry”, and also overrun by SJW & postmodernism ideologues. Psychiatry is a barbaric and deceitful pseudoscience. Its “practitioners” are predators who use lies, self esteem and personality breakdown, coercion, and force to obtain money regardless of any bodily harm, financial loss, or even death of the “recipient” of these drugs and lockups. I need a barf bag for half the stuff on this site due to the level of stockholm syndrome, persistent belief in fake science, or abuse apologism. I just want someone to know that many of us with permanent physical injuries as well as deprivation of rights and severe loss of money have stopped reading and commenting because like I said, this site has sold out from our perspective- it doesn’t stand unwaveringly for victims any more, the people who are suffering most. I couldn’t care less if some shrink or theRapist learned a thing or two and feels “woke” now- reality is, they typically are carrying on as usual, leaving harm in their wake, just with extra self righteousness now. I don’t trust a platform that conflates “diversity of opinion” with “giving a platform to snake oil salesmen/predators/abusers/harm apologists”. I trust that Steve will be able to make that distinction better than others.

  • Is it possible to bankrupt the MH system by refusing to take even the microchipped version, forcing them to come visit you or hospitalize you? Obviously, such a thing would be very traumatic for the person attempting to resist and result in violence towards them, so I don’t mean to be offensive in suggesting it. But I do wonder if trying to run up the highest possible bill with these people, refusing to pay any out of pocket cost, and then declaring civilian bankruptcy is a final remaining way to resist the “MH” system. At the end of the day, they are looking to maximize profit and reduce cost, so I wonder what it would be like if a bunch of people purposefully ran up an extremely huge bill. Perhaps it could get them to lay off. In reality, I think they just try to kill you to get rid of how “much you cost” if it’s a lot.

  • I have to take issue with the research/thinking methodology involved with saying that smartphones themselves are the cause of smartphone ‘addiction’. Correlation does not imply causation, especially not in the simplistic way that the whole “smartphones are bad” crowd says it. I say the following as a young adult+ heavy internet and phone user myself: what if people are always glued to their phones because they’re broke and phones are a gateway into endless free of cost music and information? I do agree that the specifically informational and image based nature of what phones can show people can change their unconscious tho, in ways that people need awareness about. But who is the right authority to warn people? What should the warning be, exactly? This blog post has an undercurrent of authoritarianism in some ways.

    You can bet if I had disposable income, I would have hobbies, go on vacations or visit restaurants without caring about picking up my phone. The truth is the phone is a source of small hits of reward and pleasure, and small vacations from daily stress or from social anxiety that comes from interacting with people face to face when you’ve had a truckload of trauma. When faced with a boring work or school environment, of course people would rather reach for the phone. I don’t know if that makes any salient point about phones. See: rat park (famous experiment where rats with a social, positive, needs meeting environment chose to drink drugged water less.)
    http://www.stuartmcmillen.com/comic/rat-park/

    I’m way more concerned with the way that phones are an opiate of the masses for being trapped in bad marriages, being in boring and miserable low paying jobs and schools, and seeing the country go downhill and treat so many of its members poorly. Smartphones are ultimately a symptom of other issues. That being said, I am glad the blogger here wrote about pornography and young kids having phones, because the mainstream liberals never talk about it but *preteens* are watching hardcore pornography, often involving violence and dehumanization these days and the effects are not good.

  • I like your comment and want to add that the majority of us “ex patients” have had our earning capacity permanently lowered as a result of missing prime wage growth years and suffering difficulty functioning as a result of psychiatric injury in “normal” jobs. These psychiatrist people are making an absurd amount of money per year. They should try living on $12k per year two years in a row like I did. Psychiatrists act like if they make less than $150k per year that they will be suffering severe poverty and thus must continue to find new victims, er patients to “treat”. Wtf? Either these people have expensive lifestyles that require an assembly line of new people to label or they are really that out of touch. People who make $150k are extremely out of touch. Try telling psychiatrists to get some roommates and take the bus! Watch them diagnose you with Reasonable Budget Lifestyle Disorder.

  • “They had a choice, they chose to destroy for money and when they were faced with their own abuse they chose to blame the victim. These people lack the strength of character to do the decent thing – admit the harm they have been involved in, move out of their destructive behaviour and get another job”

    AMEN

  • A sweet sight for sore eyes. I love this post. Not sure how the author would call his overall views, so I don’t mean to say his are the same as mine, but I’m personally so over the whole “critical psychiatry” nonsense. For me,anti psychiatry and very clear, explicit exposing is the only rational way to approach things. This piece is a form of justice for what I went through. It calms me as a sufferer of “PTSD” caused by the quacks and their gaslighting lies and someone with firsthand experience of the drugs in question. To hear someone speak what i know to be the truth plainly and without the watering-down effect of using psychiatry’s cult speak is what I am here for. Too many people are sellouts to “compromising” with psychiatry, the “critical” psychiatry crowd who are quick to shut down pieces that are “too anti-psychiatry” (which begs the question, for who are things ever “too” anti? Psychiatrists who might get their precious fee-fees hurt? Because I’m a survivor of abuse,force and chemical maiming and I’ve yet to see something “too anti” for me). Another category of sellout is those who support “choice” which is a joke when we are talking about a field entirely built on aggressively propagandist lies. Keep writing clearly and without moral and intellectual dilution! Pieces like this are why I donated to MIA in the past.

  • :'( wow… this is super upsetting. Speaks to the empathy-starved power hungry types that do gravitate towards the psychiatric “professional field” though. It is not that hard to be human to someone. I can’t understand how this happens. To just watch someone die of something and not do anything to stop it? I feel that it takes actual effort and purposeful cruelty and neglect for people to be harmed this way. I’m picturing the intense suffering the people who died went through before they died. People who work in psychiatry are some of the most soulless people I have ever met to be honest.

  • Can this guy see a naturopath? I know not everyone takes much faith in “functional medicine” but a naturopath really helped me with these same neurological symptoms from SSRI harms. I know Luke was also on benzos and that that is different in the long term harm it can cause. Magnesium, b complex, MTHFR specific folate, probiotics, over the period of a year my brain really felt better but never like it was before SSRIs.

  • “I also wonder how I can know when I am misled in my assumptions.”
    “[I like the drug focused model] because it helps me to consider these drugs not as a specific treatment for a specific disorder but as psychoactive drugs that may have some benefits for some people at some times.”

    I quoted these because I want to respond to them alone, at risk of replying out of context, rather than the overall topic of the article which is a synthesis of different pieces about acknowledging of mistakes, changing perspectives, and moving on. For me the only ethical answer in these scenarios is for the “client” themself to be the one to have FULL access NOT to “informed consent” regarding drugs but to the gamut of materials disproving the chemical imbalance theory and reviewing the horrid past and current behavior of psychiatry as a field. I still get a sense that some psychiatrists feel that there is a “time and a place” for an authority figure (ie a psychiatrist) to “choose when to employ drugs” as a “part of that client’s plan”. I guess I feel like the client should always be the one and only authority figure in the room, which means, what is the role of the psychiatrist? A redundant question, since if the psychiatrist has no authority to suggest actions then they serve as a figure for someone to come to and say what they want, ie the “psychiatrist as a vending machine”.

    Like some other commenters I think there is never a legitimate time or a place for these drugs, that they do more harm than good, that completely “untreated” fill-in-the-blank is preferable to going on the drugs, and consider myself a psychiatry abolitionist. I’m not sure if I even want you to reply to this, and I do not mean this as a personal attack but rather what came up for me reading certain sections of this. These select quotes, which may or may not be out of context, just reminded me of how I feel that even psychiatrists who dedicate their life to learning how to cause the least harm and be the most human are often still open to letting people choose to roll the dice at times and still open to holding secret knowledge in the room above the client even if the psychiatrist is armed with quality literature such as Anatomy of An Epidemic. I mean, how many psychiatrists directly tell their clients about Anatomy of An Epidemic even if they have read it themselves? I feel that the only real way to stop the harm is for psychs to completely stop prescribing and instead to use sessions showing people where they can start their own research into alternatives, or helping them taper off, then letting them go. Not as a personal attack to you Sandy but rather just in general sometimes this type of article makes me feel jealous that I have to be on “this side” of psychiatry, I have been chemically mutilated, made disabled and traumatized and it’s not a question of somewhat abstract ethics or moving a field forward for me. It’s my life. I wish I had my life and my health back.

  • My first reading of this piece lead me to feel encouraged, that you woke up and cannot continue in a morally bankrupt and harmful field and that you have the beginnings of understanding what is going on. Drawing from what foglight wrote, I have to agree that you can make good on your years in this horrible system by staying in it, but becoming vocal against it, trying to turn other docs/shrinks to see the light, being available for helping people taper, teaching them directly about alternatives, and helping them get away from involuntary commitment.

    Unlike you, who likely made a long career earning a generous wage with a stable job, free from risk of physical harm, many of your “patients” have or will become disabled and injured from the racket of psychiatry even if you did not understand that it is a racket at the time and you did your best to limit prescribing. I know I would be homeless and suffering severe neuro injury still without family support.

    I want to see more remorse and atonement for the MANY people that you’ve put on these drugs. It seems you have an honest sense of conscience about the obvious profiteering that keeps increasing, but I feel concerned that a large part of your motivation for leaving is your own discomfort rather than most centrally and foremost deep concern for the “patients” who are harmed and duped by psychiatry, given that you assigned a large number of these people labels and gave them prescriptions. You said you saw 1000+ patients in the last year. How many of those have you called up and told them you made a mistake, assuming you put them on drugs?

    And yes I said drugs and not “medication”, like many other psych victims I refuse to play into the fantasy that what psychiatrists do is medical in any way. I am very grateful for you being here but I really hope your realizations here are just the beginning. You have a lot of power and opportunity to make yourself useful to people by being available to help them get off drugs, learn the truth about psychiatry, learn about alternatives. Please keep speaking out. Tell your colleagues, tell the world.

  • I am sorry you went through that, so incredibly abusive, and I went through similar. I am female, and was basically painted as hysterical, sexual damages caused by drugs not taken seriously because female sexuality unimportant and I’m too emotional and irrational to understand what is happening my own body right?!?!?? Definitely had my health and reality “mansplained” to me so many times. Psychiatry is openly contempt-filled towards females. Female bodies are getting toxic chemicals dumped into them, psych drugs and birth control, all kinds of stuff, at record rates. No respect for sacred femininity.

  • It’s worth noting the similarities between biological psychiatry and transgender ideology: this analysis was written by a friend of mine:

    Biopsych: your symptoms are caused by an imbalance of neurotransmitters in your brain (nothing to do with your life experience or how you interpret it).
    Trans: your dysphoria is caused by a mismatch between your brain and your body (nothing to do with your life experience or how you interpret it).

    Biopsych: your symptoms can and should be treated with drugs which will make them go away.
    Trans: your dysphoria can and should be treated with cross-sex hormones which will make it go away.

    Biopsych: upon taking your drugs you may (probably will) have a transformative, freeing experience of being able to Function more effectively in a respected social role.
    Trans: upon starting hormone treatment you may (probably will) have a transformative, freeing experience of being able to Function more effectively in a respected gender role.

    Biopsych: anyone who says or suggests that you should not be taking your drugs is blaming you by using a simplistic “mind over matter” view to label you as morally defective and denying the reality of your brain disease.
    Trans: anyone who says or suggests that you should not be undergoing hormone treatment (or otherwise changing your gender performance) is a reactionary bigot with a “mind over matter” view who only sees you as a contemptible sexual deviant and denies the reality of your brain-body mismatch.

    Biopsych: if you think you might have Depression/Anxiety/Bipolar/Schizophrenia/some other Disorder then you probably do and should definitely see a professional who is very likely to give you a diagnosis and a prescription.
    Trans: if you think you might be trans then you probably are and should definitely see a professional who is very likely to confirm you are trans and give you a hormone prescription.

    Biopsych: you will probably need to take your drugs for life in order to manage your symptoms.
    Trans: you will, after genital surgery, definitely need to take your hormones for life in order to maintain your gender performance. (And to prevent osteoporosis, etc.)

    Biopsych: it is more important to fight the stigma against people who use psychiatric drugs than it is to look for psychosocial/trauma/not-directly-biological causes of their symptoms.
    Trans: it is more important to fight the stigma against people who seek medical transition than it is to look for psychosocial/trauma/not-directly-biological causes of their dysphoria.

  • Tabita, I shared your diplomatic article here on Facebook. The dialogue and the centering of personal connection and personal stories is deeply important. As I have noticed myself, throwing facts at people or telling them that they are wrong, even if their wrongness is readily provable, creates lots of friction and often turns off their willingness to listen. In my opinion psychiatry is a secular religion and a cult belief system, so direct challenging of it can actually deepen its hold on people. Once the dialog has been created then the articles and facts can come out! Another problem with psychiatry is that the person being drugged or coerced can perceive it as caring even if is actually hurting them.

    People who are actively experiencing the black box warning can perceive that the antidepressant is the only thing that is stopping them from killing themselves! Wild. I say that because it happened to me! It was only after I had a near death experience and permanent brain damage that I woke up. And when I said I need to get off the pills and stay off, everyone was against me trying to keep me on even though they knew about the harm that the pills did. Others have mentioned before that unless one has personally been on these pills that it can be hard to get how “crazy” they can make someone and how much they can harm.

    And I’ve gotten the same pushback saying that me telling my story is “preventing others from getting the help they need”. BS! Keep speaking up. Thank you for your efforts at dedication to your daughter and children everywhere. Your posts elsewhere on the site show an attempt at humility and self reflection that few parents are willing to do, esp given the conclusion that you unknowingly had some part in something that harmed your child, which was allowing them to be given pills. Too many parents are not willing to examine that something bad is happening to their child because of what it might say about them even if they had nothing to do with it, as psychiatry lies and tricks parents and children alike.

  • I am so glad to hear you stood up for your daughter. Also, she should know that there are many safe, natural herbal and nutritional options for anxiety- the only choices aren’t suffer or take these horrible drugs. I use them myself for fairly intense posttraumatic stress and other fairly severe anxiety, to take the edge off and calm down a bit- look up passionflower(Solaray makes good capsules, the Republic of Tea makes a tea called “get relaxed”, kava (yogi tea brand makes a good tea), skullcap (solaray makes capsules), and tulsi (try the organic india tea). You can find reviews of all these things on Amazon.com. I also do some magnesium supplements from a reputable brand and I stopped drinking caffiene years ago, started focusing on getting great sleep as much as possible, as well as reduced sugar and carbs and added more protein and fat in its place. All these things can help. Dealing with anxiety naturally takes some adjustments but it’s been so worth it for me to avoid these horrible pharmaceuticals. Again, thank you for looking out for your daughter.

  • They feel threatened by you! And they should, they are wrong. You always remain civil and engage in dialogue and meticulous research as much as it is needed, and that is why we are all here, to read it because we know you are being ethical. Keep doing your thing. They are reading what you write and like someone else commented them sneering at you is a high compliment to the integrity of your journalism. Psychiatry is a cult and more and more people are reading what you say too. I fear these psychiatrists are too steeped in their ego and even narcissism to ever see the truth about their “profession” but this web site and leaving psychiatry has saved my life and made it worth living again.

  • As other commenters have described, I really enjoy reading Dr. Hickey’s sound logical rebuttal to Frances’ writing. I share in the feeling that the HuffPo article is frightening and that the piece’s main interest is clearly to defend psychiatry and the status quo. The boogeymen “bad psychiatrists” and “bad GPs” do not exist. There is no good psychiatrists vs bad psychiatrists, there is only psychiatrists who believe that the human before them has a brain disease. Psychiatrists are also human, and humans are prone to the confirmation bias – thinking suffering is a “disorder” and that drugs are “good” except when prescribed “badly” will of course lead to a prescription for everyone who walks in the door. Frances’ “moderation” argument is no argument at all, if the system stayed the way it is I guarantee every psychiatrist could read it and come away agreeing with it and assured that they are not the “bad psychiatrist” prescribing antidepressants as a result of seeing the flattening effect of antipsychotics or what have you, but rather for “real” severe depression (happened to me). Humans also have a need for ego protection which is why cognitive dissonance occurs, and thus this article cannot possibly enact any real change. Like Dr. Hickey pointed out, he appears to be arguing for something good but upon any amount of close viewing, there is just very vague allusions to nameless “bad” doctors dispensing drugs like candy while the “good” doctors are helplessly, victims of the system, watching it happen. Despite my extreme harm at the hands of psychiatrists, I believe that the majority of psychiatrists *believe* they are doing something good and that their personal error rate is low or zero. If only they understood how much the DSM has been DESIGNED (by Frances!) to be difficult to use “correctly” to identify “real” mental patients, and to instead sweep up and harm massive amounts of people, for profit! If only each and every psychiatrist could take responsibility for being a part of a system that harms, similar to how members of dominant racial groups, etc must also acknowledge their place in our systematically racist society.

    If I could add to Dr. Hickey’s thoughts with my own, I want to point out how much it hurts that Dr. Frances and psychiatrists always seem to discuss the issue of iatrogenic harm/”over”prescribing/”mis”diagnosing as if it were some far off abstract dilemma existing only in theory, which can be solved by some kind of similarly vague abstraction and closer adherence to the vague theories of “real” psychiatry. Which presents the hurtful attitude that many psychiatrists seem to hold, that our lives as harmed patients are disposable given that other patients will benefit (at least in the short term). As if patients were objects, toys in a toybox to be taken out and played with, all fun and games until someone gets hurt… and when someone is hurt it’s the fault of some abstract reason apparently… in the sense that psychiatry is a belief system, it seems abstract and not specific to any one person but truly it IS personal, real and non-abstract. And what of the value of the lives who are now permanently crippled or traumatized? What I hear emotionally in Frances’ article apart from the logical flaws that Dr. Hickey has pointed out, is that the individual harmed lives have no value, and no credibility in the discussion.

  • 1) To add to this comment, Dr. Brogan’s disclosure and description that she used to be a typical psychiatrist but then changed is so encouraging. hank you to her. I am shocked (in a good way) by it because I feel a great deal of hopelessness that psychiatrists generally are willing to share about the harm they personally have probably caused by prescribing pharmaceuticals. Seems like some psychiatrists are willing to speak out, but not name themselves as part of the problem. This blog nicely breaks that pattern and hopefully encourages others to come forward. I’m wondering what her experience is if or when she tries to directly address colleagues and tell them about this from this perspective (personal journey/personal change of heart). As a psychiatric survivor, I have had very limited to no success in addressing psychiatrists and getting them to see the harm of their mode of operation… I blame power dynamics, cognitive dissonance, finances at stake, and psychiatry’s view that those labeled are truly “sick” and therefore with no credibility … I’m also wondering more about how she felt or what she thought when she realized the great hoax and if she ever reached out to past patients and told them what had happened. Something that’s so inhibitory to truth about society is the fear that many professionals of all kinds have of being sued or losing their ability to support themselves if they disclose that they have harmed and that they have then changed. Such a thing is one of the best ways for the system to stop harming or even stop existing.

    2) “I call this collective set of notions the Western Medical Illusion. It sets up a vicious system that ushers you into lifelong customer status, dependent and disempowered.”

    Amen. People do not realize that in a capitalist society, corporations/industries do not have to tell the truth while trying to sell their products. Not at all. Psychiatry’s depression model is false and harmful, but one can be viewed by everyday others as a conspiracy theorist by simply trying to explain what Dr. Brogan is saying here. Again, the voicelessness of being abused by psychiatry in the patient role often repeats itself in the form of the voicelessness felt by trying to spread psychiatric survivor materials and perspectives.