Saturday, June 24, 2017

Comments by madmother13

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  • I read ur piece with increasing credulity as i went aLONG
    U really have no interest in mad people at all
    Quite why u have been allowed on this site I don’t know.
    Your belief in the genetic eugenics biological model sitting there in ur peals god forgive u and the obsequious response from members of this forum shame on u
    really need to get over yourself and go back to whatever u did before and you multiple houses etc while the rest of us just get on with it and avoid enforced imprisonment as best we can

  • Arron this is a fantastic piece
    well done
    they have no interest in the actual truth just lies , what suits, an oppressive system whatever they can get away with because they can
    I love the first person pieces on MIA because of the guttural honesty that resonates
    thank you !

  • Dear Anne
    I am in oz too in WA and that sounds so horribly typical. they label they vilify and they love their drugs it is unbelievable,
    the well paid chief psychiatrist and the minister for MH purportedly there to ensure protection and balance just sides with his negligent abusive mates who can lock u up whenever they feel like it
    Well done u for carrying on it gets very tiring to constantly be fighting this injustice but at least ur not going under
    take care of u and yours
    kind regards from someone who understands

  • these “professionals” can lock you up for as long as they want in a place that is worse than hell
    this week in australia on primetime tv we have seen the horror of Lismore Base hopsital psych unit the deaths and cruelty inflicted there by staff who drugged at will secluded at will and spent the night shift watching tv and sleeping while people fell multiple times in the locked cells!
    those are your helpers !
    the “alternative” helpers as monica says quite rightly can be just as abusive, the do gooding NGO’s with their peer support workers usually part of the problem not the solution, the lived experience people can be as toxic choose carefully who you will share anything at all with
    this was a wonderful post Monica and a timely reminder to all of us of the way forward thank you

  • Here in Australia we have Dr Patrick McGorry leader of the Early psychosis program
    what this means is drugs, drugs and more drugs ! he does love his drugs bet he wouldn’t give them to his own family tho ..
    the proponents are zealots -on a mission to root out any sign they consider to demonstrate psychosis . they are like the witch finder general or the inquisition.
    my family member was once asked why he was watching the trick cyclists hands answer “because you move them about a lot” (this was true i have never seen such an arm waver) this was viewed as evidence of psychosis (the watching and the answer) and drugs increased as a result! last visit to that person
    the dr was mad as a cut snake but a very powerful snake and he damaged many many people that year
    The McGorry protocol for anyone not wanting to take drugs is a community treatment order, clozapine and or ECT ! truly he wrote that as a protocol and was made Australian of the year for his efforts that year !!
    yes they are desperate the Australians like small children
    Millions was pored into this program across Australia no money for anything else that might actually help
    Those of you who have suffered on this site and say avoid the system and its servants are correct
    don’t engage with them there is no point, avoid and work out your own ways forward do not afford them any legitimacy. Turn your back on them but only after you have put two fingers up at them .. they are not fit to wipe your shoes.

  • Dear Matt
    brilliant piece, i was a member of ISP”s ( I’m a nurse general trained not Mh thank God and family member who has survived a lot of pressure personal and professional to keep my family afloat and to fight the system) unbelievable stuff vicious and cruel fascist in the extreme. you note i say “was” member of ISPs I got really tired of their turgid journal with its we aren’t like those psychiatrists stuff in fact they are exactly the same just less well paid.. just as keen on drugs and imprisonment really studies dressed up with numbers to make them look like professionals.. little vignettes about some “patient” interspersed best to unsubscribe ….!
    keep the good blogs coming matt!

  • thank you Johanna I found your book the bitterest pill on the horror of anti-psychotic drugs inspiring and it firmly set me on a path that has led to major conflict with the evil that is psychiatry, Never have so few done some much harm to so many and with so little care and zero consequences for them other than earning the big bucks !.. when in doubt increase the drugs .. and ensure nothing else is available so they can continue to label and vilify some of the bravest and nicest people you are ever likely to meet!
    nothing will ever steer me from the belief that avoidance of these powerful people ( I use the term loosely) is the best solution for survival. shrink that is what they do shrink you to a one word label
    Garth Daniels featured here some months ago who was forcibly given ect against his and family consent in Victoria ‘escaped” to Queensland and is now locked up again being given clozapine by a different shrink..
    keep up the good work Johanna it is refreshing that you are genuinely interested in a debate and response and actually post a reply unlike other ‘famous” professionals!

  • thank you Rufus. As usual a fantastic piece from someone who is actually helping people instead of just talking about it !
    You can organise a march but you will just be labelled as mad people because that is what they do … label you and nullify you .. the power is with the psychiatrists and will remain with them because that is how society contains its fear and anxiety.
    Most psychiatrists are pathological liars for a start off they have the upper hand here and yes despite people trying to tell us differently at the top of the comments a CTO here in Australia means just that it is an ORDER and if u do not obey u will be formed under the powers of the law and psychiatrically imprisoned for as long as they feel like banging u up for because not wanting drugs that give u diabetes heart disease and an early death must mean there is something very wrong with you!
    there are no checks and balances here and there are no alternatives , no Rufus around the corner to help and support u you find the help yourself or u bounce back to the trolley locked and shackled for 97 hours while waiting for a bed ….
    Hang on in there people and rufus keep up the good work – eternally grateful to know ur out there X

  • Dear Judy
    so sorry to hear your story and about the loss of your beautiful boy.. it is a very familiar one
    We only learn about the alternatives after it is too late and the damage is already done and I dont know how we change that fact.
    Its not as though we prepare for this situation or think it will happen so we only come to the alternatives too late and when we are in the thick of it often our first response is fear not awareness
    I’m a nurse too..
    take care of yourself too
    You are very brave and making a difference
    much love and thoughts to you karelX

  • Dear Steven
    thank you for this. Here in Australia 4 point restraint with straps is very common except quite often it is on a trolley in the middle of the emergency department no curtains, 27 hours tied up or more, 27 hours was described as lucky by the complaints manager as “lots of people are restrained for longer than that” – no one even pretends it is a helping room! and there certainly is no love there. Actually I’m wrong an old lady with a broken hip lying on another trolley beckoned me over “is that your son love ? they have treated him worse than an animal.. he looks like a lovely boy and I’m really sorry for what they have done.” That moment of love from a person in pain who didn’t know me probably saved me that day but those paid to “care” showed only callous indifference.

  • well everyone its great if you can access open dialogue sadly most people cant so it is a moot point What most people get is tranquilizing drugs that give you a fasting blood of 6.3 and a rubbish made up diagnosis and for some people locked up over and over again so not sure why you all think you can access open dialogue – where are you going for that ??? You are all missing the point in your tidy little world… so lovely… it does not exist you are delusional… these people are all sleeping in doorways in Perth Australia no open dialogue for them…

  • thank you Matt for your excellent article it was good to see a wider cross section of responders than is often the case on this site including some family members and your due diligence in replying to people.
    I often find the responses quite negative and aggressive and there appears to be no moderation applied at all.. it is very easy to take a hard line about drugs and psychiatry and have a little tantrum about it and them but at the end of the day everyone has do what is right for them and usually with the odds stacked completely against them. So people on this site attacking others for their opinions is not helpful or supportive in any way and in fact you are just emulating the bullying moronic behavior of most psychiatrists and others in the field who do not give a toss about people in the slightest and enjoy locking them up and drugging them to within an inch of their life.

  • thank you Matt great work and lovely to see you responding to everyone
    a much wider cross section of comments than usual including some family members,
    essentially for most of us in this boat there are either professionals over drugging,psychiatric imprisonment, labeling of anyone they feel like labeling or nothing at all other than trying to work things out for yourself and avoiding hospitals at all costs.
    Thank you for your references list much appreciated take care

  • Dear David
    amazing post I just read from Australia. Thank you and good luck that you recovery from this toxic crap they fed you while pretending to be “professionals”. Everyone out there the best thing you can do as MIA bloggers advise over us and over is avoid these people…

  • John Read’s correspondence reads like my own file of “appeals” in Australia albeit in a different state. All ignored, all fobbed off, labelled as anti psychiatry . No checks ,no balances and no one actually cares because it won’t happen to them or their relatives. They call it the lucky country- lucky if you don’t live here. TS Eliot said human kind cannot bear very much reality here not only can’t we bear it we actively avoid it !

  • Sadly Australian psychiatry is characterised by over medication, polypharmacy and ilegal detention.if you complain you will be labelled, libelled and villified. As John Read notes the regulatory bodies will merely support those you are complaining about. Essentially bullies with unlimited power. Your best hope is to have as little to do with these ‘people” as possible. Do your own research, find your own supports – dont give up.
    Amnesty should adopt Garth Daniels as a prisoner of conscience because that is what he is. Good on you John Read for your support for Garth and his family for which you will not be popular!