I don’t normally post items so close together but today NAMI Ohio has successfully convinced a State Senator to sponsor a bill that I believe deprives individuals of their civil liberties, their due process, their dignity and their humanity.
I’ve copied the press release exactly as I’ve received it. Bob started this website, in part, to fight these very issues. Of course just because a bill has a sponsor doesn’t mean it will necessarily become law. I’m just offended that it’s been introduced and a bit ashamed by the lack of push back for those who know better.
Phone: 614-224-2700 / 800-686-2646 Email: [email protected]
MayJune 4, 2012
Dear Mental Health Advocates,
For those of you who follow NAMI Ohio’s advocacy efforts, you are probably aware that we have been working for some time on crafting a legislative proposal that would clarify Ohio’s court ordered outpatient treatment statute. We are pleased to inform you that Senator Dave Burke has introduced S.B. 350 at our request to do just that!
Specifically, S.B. 350 would eliminate any question on the part of Ohio’s Probate Court Judges about whether they may court order certain individuals with serious and persistent mental illness into outpatient treatment.
S.B. 350 would give judges clear authority to step in before someone with a serious mental illness who is unaware of his or her need for treatment becomes so ill that hospitalization or incarceration are the only options remaining. Lack of awareness of illness – a neurological syndrome called anosognosia – is believed to be the single largest reason why individuals with schizophrenia and bipolar disorder do not follow through with treatment. In many cases, such individuals can be persuaded with a court order to follow their treatment plan. This is commonly referred to as the “black robe effect.”
Court ordered outpatient treatment is not the answer for everyone who meets the criteria, but for some it could mean the difference between life and death. This bill simply removes any question on the part of judges that they have a tool they can use when there is clear and convincing evidence that without treatment, the individual will likely become an imminent threat to themselves or others and end up in the hospital, jail, or worse…dead.
It is important to note that no new programs or services would be required under this bill. However, it may mean that in some communities those who are the most ill would move to the front of the line if there is a waiting list for services. It is our expectation, based on the experience of other states and communities who use outpatient treatment, that there will be a savings in institutionalization costs that could be diverted to enhance community mental health services.
To view the bill in its entirety, please click here:
Of course, this means our work has just begun. To get this bill passed, we will need your assistance in getting the word out to legislators that their constituents support S.B. 350. Please take a moment to contact your State Senator and ask him or her to support S.B. 350 to clarify Ohio’s court ordered outpatient treatment law. In addition, NAMI Ohio is collecting stories in which court ordered outpatient treatment may have made a difference in someone’s life. If you have such a story and are willing to share it, we would love to add it to our collection. Please send stories to us at [email protected]
NAMI Ohio is grateful to have the support of the Ohio Psychological Association and the Ohio Psychiatric Physicians Association for this bill. We are also especially appreciative to Senator Burke for his willingness to sponsor this important legislation. And finally, we are thankful to NAMI Franklin County, and the families and consumers who make up their membership, for bringing the need for this legislation to our attention.
Your friends at NAMI Ohio
1. mailto:[email protected] 2. http://www.namiohio.org/ 3. http://www.legislature.state.oh.us/bills.cfm?ID=129_SB_350 4. mailto:[email protected]”
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This is awful. NAMI up to its old tricks once again but even worse than ever. I think I will write them a little e-mail and share a few ideas with them. Is anyone standing up to speak out against this insanity? What chance does it have of passing?
The statewide group representing peers (Ohio Empowerment Coalition – OEC) is NOT in agreement. Neither are the statewide organizations representing provider agencies and mental health & recovery boards (local planning authority).
Given that most legislators are wise enough to pause when these three groups don’t support an issue, my hope is that the bill fails miserably.
Any letters or thoughts are welcome. We appreciate that other States have gone through something similar (Connecticut) or could in the near future.
One last bit of irony. The fact they are using the term “anososgnosia” is ironic. Google Dr. Breggin’s piece on ‘Intoxication Anososgnosia’ when you get a chance.
You can’t stop this community forced drugging law. It will happen.
The only way it will stop is when broader society confronts the horror happening in all states and all countries in relation to this large scale rape of hundreds of thousands of living people’s brains.
Many more will have to suffer and die before it becomes accepted widely that this is abhorrent and unmitigated evil.
A law that gives people no place to run to in Ohio, as sickening and violent as this law is, is only a small cog in the machinery of forced psychiatry as an accepted concept worldwide.
When the majority have never had their brain raped, don’t expect to find majority sympathy for the plight of those who have, will and are having having their brain raped.
This is the sad reality, but trust me, it is the reality.
Well over 90% of people in the world are in favor of laws instituting the wide scale rape of the brains of anybody labeled ‘mentally ill’.
This is not an issue comparable to being gay in the 1950s, it’s an issue comparable to being a heretic in the 1400s. There will be nowhere to run to, until long after we all die, if ever.
If you are targeted for forced drugging in the community, your only escape is to go completely off grid. Many lives will be destroyed by this Ohio law, and the people in favor of it are all powerful, and not amenable to any considerations of the lives destroyed.
Worldwide, supporters of freedom have been asleep at the wheel on forced psychiatry for generations. The battle is now hundreds of years away from being won.
I was living in the past when I got into the system. I was under the mistaken impression that psychiatrists still did talk therapy. Wrong! I knew sort of what to expect since my wonderful grandmother, a truly Wise Woman in the ancient sense of the title, was incarcerated in the state hospital numerous times and had her brain raped by ect. Although I was not forcibly medicated while on the unit of the hospital there were numerous peoiple who were. As they were made to stand against the wall in front of the med station after taking their pills, to make sure that they didn’t cheek them etc., I realized how they were singled out and discriminated against and got into trouble because I began standing with them. I was ordered to leave their presence and go to my room, which I refused to do. They even threatened me with calling security and I challenged them to do so since I was doing absolutely nothing wrong, other than not complying with their stupid order. My two and a half months on the unit opened my eyes big time to the plight of people labeled as mentally ill and disabled. Up until that time I was a member of the vast majority that never gave things a second thought. We all have to stand in solidarity or the quacks and snake oil peddlers and the drug companies will take down everyone in America. This is one of the reasons that I sought a job at the very hospital where I was kept.
“This is one of the reasons that I sought a job at the very hospital where I was kept.”
That’s so awesome, Stephen.
“to this large scale rape of hundreds of thousands of living people’s brains.”
Correction: that’s wrong. Millions of brains it should be.
Worldwide 7 billion people, 3-5 billion adults, 3,000 million, 1% approximately have experienced forced psychiatry, therefore somewhere in the low tens of millions worldwide, between 8 and 25 million living adults, and many more million long since dead, have experienced forced psychiatry at some point in their lives.
Trouble is, the other 6,988 million people don’t give a (censored).
I love your feedback A. but I find myself still hopeful that change can/will happen (naive? perhaps.)
I know these types of bills have been beaten back in other States, so it’s possible. Slowing the inexorable tide of chemical imbalance myths, calling life struggles “illnesses, Pharma, Psychiatry, Government and Education in the same hammock…these issues do get me down.
I appreciate your thoughts and I’m pretty sure Kermit will let them stand!
That reminds me. Maybe Corrina or someone she knows can do up some MIA shirts for sale.
My concept is a MIA logo on the front and on the back, “I got censored by Kermit — 2012”
It will get a discussion started when you wear to your favorite eatery!
lol I’d buy it and wear it proudly!
David Ross, is there any detail about what “outpatient treatment” means?
Yes, this is the dangerous point. Outpatient Treatment includes any of the following:community psychiatric supportive treatment (case management), assertive community treatment, medications, individual/group therapy, peer support services, financial services, housing or supervised living services, alcohol or substance abuse treatment and “any other services prescribed to treat the person’s mental illness and to either assist the person in living and functioning in the community or to help prevent a relapse or deterioration.”
So, pretty much whatever a professional determines a person needs can be ordered. When the individual refuses any/all services or isn’t “compliant” they can be found in contempt and hospitalized where “treatments” like medications can be forced.
Thanks, by the way, for keeping us informed of what is going on.
Missouri put up a bill that judges could send anyone they “thought” had a mental illness to jail for “evaluation” for 6 weeks. You can see a few problems with this, of course. That bill got shut down, though. In Missouri the Corrections Department got money from the state to hire insurance companies to provide mental health care, then does things like charge for 60 minutes of therapy when only 5 minutes were delivered. So adding people to the corrections rolls was highly profitable. My friend Edward Duff brought this out and got that insurance company’s contract canceled.
Many advocates completely ignore the corrections side of things when they have some of the worst issues going on in mental health care.
Corinna, this is an important point. There haven’t been too many blogs or news stories on MIA yet specific to those classifed as “mentally ill” in the criminal justice system. Whether we’re talking jail, prison, or persons determined to be NGRI (Not guilty by reason of Insanity” or IST-U-CJ (Incompetent to Stand Trial, Unrestorable, Criminal Court Jurisdiction) and being considered for Conditional Release or otherwise on parole/probation.
You can see the extreme power differentials at play. In fact, I’m embarrased to do this, let me provide you with a link to a recent story here in Ohio which involves the head of NAMI Ohio and relates to mental illness and the criminal justice system. If this doesn’t keep you up at night…well here’s the link:
Here in the UK a couple of people in the group I helped start, Speak Out Against Psychiatry, are resisting what in the UK are called, Community Treatment Orders (CTO). They were threatened with Depot injections of so called anti-psychotics. They both wrote to their psychiatrists saying they would not turn up for the injections but were willing to take pills. They both got what they wanted from their psychiatrists. Whether, and how they take the pills is up to them and can’t really be checked by the Dr’s. They are also considering appealing the CTO.
They have the support of the group, have people to phone and talk things over, have lawyers and advocates to support them and are looking into alternative forms of care such as self help groups and private therapists. People from the group have gone to meetings with psychiatrists and other staff with them.
While this approach is not applicable in most cases, I do think that collecting and publishing stories of how people have resisted compulsory treatment is a useful tactic that might help resist and ultimately change these laws.
We are also looking into the UN Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities which could be interpreted to outlaw this type of law. The UK has signed up to this but acts as if it does not apply to people with mental health diagnosis. We are thinking about how to challenge the government on this. As a first stage we are writing a report to the UN on our experiences of how the UK breaks the terms of the convention by it’s use of degrading and dangerous forced treatment.
I agree with you John and appreciate you responding. “Degrading” and “Dangerous” are exactly the right words. Less than human also comes to mind for me.
***Some breaking news***
I will have an opportunity for a face-to-face conversation with the NAMI Ohio Director June 15th.
I doubt I’ll change his mind, but I’m going to try.
Good luck with this. If possible it would be good to know how it goes.
I sometimes think a well aimed custard pie (plus a press release) can be better than a simple conversation. But I also know it takes all sorts of actions to bring about social change.
I just sent an email to NAMI Ohio.
I’ll add it to the hundreds sent over the years…
All the “pretty-please” letters and phone calls, emails to Governors, state reps and senators.
This crap NEVER ENDS until we get a bill written, sponsored, lobbied, passed and signed into law –
That’s my call.
And I’m stickin’ to it.
It looks like a good initiative to me and well worth promoting. I hope it gets a lot of support.
Thanks for your support Duane! I will update everyone after talking/debating the NAMI exec next Friday.
Good luck with the Ohio NAMI executive.
I’m looking forward to the day that a federal law lets you spend more time at home, doing the things you enjoy.
Hopefully, that day is in the not-so-distant future.
In the meantime, thank-you for all you’re doing.
I got an email back from NAMI Ohio this morning…
It seems they think that forced drugging is already a “least restrictive” means.
Best of luck with the dialogue.
This is why we MUST get a federal law passed to protecty people in all 50 states.
And why we MUST act sooner, rather than later.
When Senator Grassley investigated the ties between the pharmaceutical industry and NAMI National and State NAMIs, they discovered NAMI Ohio was the second largest recipient of Pharma dollars in the country. Hearing the executive director of NAMI Ohio speak is like listening to a drug rep. He is paid to advance their goals.
I am glad you wrote and they responded. They know that people are not just going to yawn and look the other way.
I will definitely let you know how the meeting goes Duane.
I fully support National reforms as well.
In most comments there seems to be a “rationalization” about how life “should” be? That fair minded human beings should “care” about what happens to those of us unfortunate enough to have been deemed mentally ill.
Perhaps we have an assumption about consciousness that is not born out by the reality of human functioning, self-preservation rules the day, with most people barely conscious of what internal arousal needs are being “acted out” in a presumption of “normality?”
Most “normal” people enhance their sense of self by a “not like them” perception, and those considered weak, do their societal duty by full-filling that NEED. Consider the great observational thinking that came out the 1950’s and was rejected in favor of maintaining an “unconscious” status qua?
“The societal projection process: The family projection process is as vigorous in society as it is in the family. The essential ingredients are anxiety and three people. Two people get together and enhance their functioning at the expense of a third, the “scapegoated” one. Social scientists use the word scapegoat , I prefer the term “projection process,” to indicate a reciprocal process in which the twosome can force the third into submission, or the process is more mutual, or the third can force the other two to treat him as inferior.
The biggest group of societal scapegoats are the hundreds of thousands of mental patients in institutions. People can be held there against their wishes, or stay voluntarily, or they can force society to keep them there as objects of pity. All society gains something from the benevolent posture to this segment of people. A fair percentage of people are too impaired to ever exist outside the institution where they will remain for life as permanently impaired objects of the projection process.
The conventional steps in the examination, diagnosis, hospitalization, and treatment of “mental patients” are so fixed as a part of medicine, psychiatry, and all interlocking medical, legal, and social systems that change is difficult. There are other projection processes. Society is creating more ‘patients” of people with dysfunctions whose dysfunctions are a product of the projection process. Alcoholism is a good example. At the very time alcoholism was being understood as the product of family relationships, the concept of ‘alcoholism as a disease” finally came into general acceptance.
There might be some advantage to treating it as a disease rather than a social offense, but labeling with a diagnosis invokes the ills of the societal projection process, it helps fix the problem in the patient, and it absolves the family and society of their contribution. Other categories of functional dysfunctions are in the process of being called sickness. The total trend is seen as the product of a lower level of self in society. If, and when, society pulls up to a higher level of functioning such issues will be automatically modified to fit the new level of differentation. To debate such a specific issue in society, with the amount of intense emotion in the issue, would result in non-productive polarization and further fixation of current policy and procedures.
The most vulnerable new groups for objects of the projection process are probably welfare recipients and the poor. These groups fit the best criteria for long term, anxiety relieving projection. They are vulnerable to become the pitiful objects of the benevolent, over sympathetic segment of society that improves its functioning at the expense of the pitiful. Just as the least adequate child in a family can become more impaired when he becomes an object of pity and over sympathetic help from the family, so can the lowest segment of society be chronically impaired by the very attention designed to help. No matter how good the principle behind such programs, it is essentially impossible to implement them without the built-in complications of the projection process.” _Murray Bowen.
Does this ring any bells, in the current state of societal functioning? Bowen predicted that this unconscious process would come to a head in the middle of this century, when we will have to face up to our “rationalizations” about our individual motivation.
Until we recognize and accept our own “slight of hand” rationalizations about our deeper motivations, nothing will change. Instinct & the need for self-preservation comes 1st, not the intellect & our so-called reason. When you you accept this, you understand why people want diagnosis and welfare payments?
“To debate such a specific issue in society, with the amount of intense emotion in the issue, would result in non-productive polarization and further fixation of current policy and procedures.”
I take this idea seriously. I believe this is a real possibility when passionate people with definite but different views debate and discuss anything.
I do believe vigorous oppostion can turn back the tide and is worth the risk of further polarization. Duane has commented before about the need for broader reform efforts, I believe, for this very reason. He’s tired of nibbling around the edges. I support opposition efforts at multiple levels I guess. I don’t want to concede this fight in the hope that a second order change (federal legislation) will occur (but of course I hope it does).
I understand what your saying David. That such injustice demands a “fight,” yet its the us & them nature of a predator/prey axis to all animal life, which begets this emotional projection process, as an unconscious metabolic arousal need.
Our aspiration ideals are wonderful, and well projected into a better future, yet will we realize these ideals by “acting out” the same old us & them reactive nature? As long as we cling to an outdated “I think therefore I am,” view of ourselves, we will not address the feet of clay, Descartes error stands on.
As Daniel Fisher points out, its time to turn Le Superior Frenchman on his head & shake the cobwebs out of our subjective illusion about “them.”
What Bowen is saying, is that for every action there is an equal & opposite reaction at an unconscious level, which either enhances or depletes one’s sense of self.
The emotional system of human societies is going through a chaos phase transition, which will bring a new order of stability. The way forward is NOT more “us & them,” unconscious projection, its a deeper realization of what we are, and our common humanity.
The best thing we can do for psychiatry, is pile up the research and knowledge base which points out natural cause, to highlight the way forward. You cannot effectively shift a delusion by destroying it (by fighting), nothing will change until the solid platform of new ground & new direction is clearly articulated.
Yet instead of seeing this we get caught up in unconscious reactions of us vs them fighting & simply sustain the status-qua. We do this because we are less than honest with ourselves about our own self-preservation motivation, preferring to believe we are righteous, when we are simply projecting an emotional need, like everybody does.
To see how this “unconscious” self-preservation need works & is rationalized, browse the comments on any thread topic, & contemplate how people choose to take from an article/essay what they need, & leave the rest.
We do this by “scanning” for emotional resources that will enhance our sense of self, rationalizing our response as intelligence & critique? When the topic is “charged” we do what Bowen describes as emotional projection, or Fritz Pearls “one up, one down – top dog, under dog,” and we really need to be more realistic about our own functioning before we can hope to change anything.
Your nervous system unconsciously scans at millisecond speeds, seeking resources for survival, the reactive choice is made long before your reasoned rationalizations? See Stephen Porges “Orienting in a Defensive World.”
Why is the Oracles advise to “Know Thy Self,” written above a cave? The cave is your body & its instinctive nature, that constituted “matter” which is the shore on an ocean of being. Realization, is what is needed, not more bloody Revolution. More “being” and less re-actively doing?
When you feel the need to “fight,” are you certain you “know” the reason why?
Read Reverend Martin Luther King Jr’s ‘I Have a Dream’ speech (from the ‘March on Washington’).
Revolutions are sometimes necessary.
To clarify – the message about Dr. King was meant for David Bates (not David Ross).
Your points are well taken. My training in motivational interviewing techniques is very consistent with this approach. When someone is the earliest stages (pre-contemplation/contemplation) on an issue/idea/behavior, it’s not very productive to engage in a tug and war.
Sometimes you have to say/act in a way you believe is “right” regardless of whether anyone is persuaded or the outcome you desire comes to pass. I don’t want to get into too much of a philosophical bent, but I find postmodern philosophy irrational. For instance, I’m not going to concede that NAMI Ohio is equally right in their push to force meds as I’m right to reject such efforts.
I’m definitely thinking through my strategy though!
You can call me MasterBates, David, it gets a good laugh every time.
My Grandfather insisted on it until well into my forties and I used to hate it.
Then I came to understand his lesson about humility, even though I’ve often lost it, when pain – anger – rage & unconscious reaction, stimulated my cerebral “tone” of subjective rationalization?
The postural attitude comes 1st, then the reason?
I tend to put the reason first, but admit that, as an emotional creature, it doesn’t always work out that way. I don’t find it reasonable or necessary for one group of people with power to exercise it in such a way to deprive another group of people (with less power) of their basic rights (in US) of life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.
Then the posture is assumed!
I wouldn’t have written the couple of emails to NAMI Ohio (from Texas) if I were willing to concede this fight (at a local level).
In other words, I’m still “nibbling around the edges” as best I can, but see a far bigger fight that needs to be won, so these matters (which are Constitutional rights, not state matters) can be put to rest.
I truly appreciate all you’re doing, David.
I guess we could liken it to a ship at sea, there is no full stop and turn around action available.
There is a steady altering of coarse?
I mean an emotional sea?
This was the greatest error of the ADA, the DSM, and the APA: People can not be categorized into these simplistic headings and be expected to be treated as people. We should have learned it when we thought we could classify people’s skills and capabilities by color: WE DID NOT. The first things that needs to be done is to combat the ever present media that stigmatizes mental illness. Every shooting.. every horrific act of violence and the accusation of mental illness is hinted. The numbers of actual violent acts by the mentally ill need to be used to combat this. We also need people who are not affiliated with any of those groups that are successfully living with their mental illness. People who are opening doors. They shouldn’t be famous. They should be people who could live next door to every one. The first step in overcoming this sort of stigmatized thinking is for the general populace to be able to identify with those they stigmatize. We need to make the connections they can’t. I did a research paper following the history of stigma and mental illness. It established crucial points of social decline against decisions that stigmatized or used the mental ill and why. Right now, we are disposable people. That’s what they call prostitutes, escorts, street people, in cases of violence. It’s the reason those cases aren’t investigated and tend to fall through the cracks. We can’t be disposable anymore and that means being seen. That’s a big risk.
Terry Russell the Director of NAMI Ohio was quoted online as saying: [In contrast, Russell said the mentally ill commit 50 percent of the “horrendous crimes” in Ohio]
What do you think of that acid pop? Either Mr. Russell was misquoted or the head of NAMI Ohio thinks the mentally ill are monsters.
I would ask to see who is on the list of his donations. What boards does he sit on? I would also like to see those numbers and cases with medical history prior to their sentencing against the number of cases found under an insanity plea.
Yes, the IRS 990 form is of little help. State and local NAMI’s should follow the same guidelines as NAMI National in disclosing their funding sources and levels. Although that’s not a guarantee of a complete picture. It’s relatively easy to “shield” funding types legally.
No evidence supporting his outrageous statement was given. Link to the full Vindy.com story is posted above in an earlier response.
The “dangerousness” of the mentally ill is used by NAMI as a way to convince lawmakers of the need for coercive care. Of course, this is done to “help” them. They don’t know how sick they are, but if they did, they would gladly take the medications in spite of the devastating side effects.
Anosognosia they say. A term being misused but that could be applied, at least in the way they are using it, to anyone who disagrees with you. “I know you don’t agree with what I’m saying but that’s only because you’re suffering from anosognosia which prevents you from seeing how right I am. Trust me; I’m acting in your best interest…”
Thanks for your thoughts and comments acid.
You are kinder than me because I don’t credit the lawmakers with the empathy that requires coercion. I see the same mindset as I found in cases of severe prosecutorial misconduct where they deliberately withheld evidence, prosecuted men they knew to be innocent… in higher numbers in capital cases. They chose a “disposal” person to secure their conviction rate and often, a monthly bonus. The polity feel comfortable doing that with us for lobbyist funding or merely to appear in control of sudden acts of violence. Following the 13th amendment, mental illness, with the inclusion of idiocy, was used to deter interracial relationships. Moral hysteria was the diagnosis that kept wives and daughters in line. What I have to wonder, being so sick and dangerous, is what does it take to do that?
Pull out the crime statistics in Ohio.
And present them to NAMI Ohio.
Homicides will be listed, along with other violent crimes, and whoever reviews the stats will see them broken down by law enforcement.
What they will NOT see is a correlation between “severe mental illness” and violent crime. What they WILL see is perpetuation of violence on these groups.
Violent crimes are committed for many reasons – crimes of passion, drug-related, etc… each state will break them down (good or bad) by age, sex, race, etc.
These stats that are used… that “untreated mentally ill” people are behind the majority of thesse crimes are made out of whole-cloth.
It’s right outta the TAC, D.J. Jaffe, Dr. Torrey playbook.
To set the record straight, NAMI Ohio receives less than 5% of our funding from pharmaceutical companies. Betsy Johnson, NAMI Ohio
That was not the conclusion of Senator Grassley’s investigation Betsy. You may want to read the facts of that investigation below:
NAMI National was pressured to start posting their finanical information on their website and they have started to do that. Senator Grassley urged State NAMI’s to do the same. Will NAMI Ohio list their funding sources and level of support similar to NAMI National?
That level of transparency would go a long way in clearing up whose message it is when NAMI Ohio speaks.
Over 80 percent of NAMI National funding comes from drugmakers.
And what does that have to do with NAMI Ohio?
The NAMI state groups operate from the same play-book as the national organization… Promoting “proper diagnosis” and “treatment” of the “mentally ill”.
It all starts at the top.
Michael Fitzpatrick, Executive Director of NAMI National gets paid 200k per year to push drugs.
He’s a well-paid prostitute.
The state NAMI folks may get paid much less.
They are cheap prostitutes.
But prostitutes nontheless.
I got on NAMI Ohio website.
Where are your funding sources listed?
Also, last legislative session’s pending bill are posted… what about the current bills, such as SB350?
What are you trying to hide?
Then put the information on your site!
Betsy Johnson (NAMI Ohio),
I noticed on your website, Family-to-Family section that NAMI Ohio teaches a course in “Facts and Feelings: Knowing the Difference” –
I would like to suggest that you and the other officers with NAMI Ohio invite Robert Whitaker to present at this class… So the “biological” “lifelong, incuarable brain disease” myth can be laid to rest in Ohio… and so that you and your staff can really learn the difference between facts and feelings.
By the way, I have a slogan I constantly use publicly, on the web… It goes like this:
“Friends don’t let friends join NAMI.”
I just sent you a private email, and was going to keep your name anonymous on the Mad in America site, however because you’ve joined in this conversation, I will re-post my most recent response for Mad in America readers:
I choose to assume the best… namely, that your heart is in the right place.
However, these laws traditionally have led to forced drugging, impeding recovery and causing lifelong disability.
Why drugs, and not the other methods mentioned?
Because of financial ties… money.
Most folks with local NAMI organizations are unaware of the ties between NAMI National and the major pharmaceutical companies. Are you aware that NAMI receives over 80 percent of its budget from the drugmakers? –
In other words, in spite of your best intentions, NAMI Ohio is moving in the wrong direction.
Recovery tends to take place best when people move beyond a “mental illness” management model, and toward one that offers hope for wellness and recovery.
And these plans are best put-together by the individuals themselves (not mental health professionals) –
Starting with the basics…
The label of “mental illness” is hardly condusive to helping somebody heal, recover, overcome –
And the psychiatric drugs, particularly, the antipsychotics (neuroleptics) have a track record of impeding recovery for the vast majority; especially when used as a first-line of treatment, for the long-term –
Note: The email was in reference to your comment about Ohio Senate Bill 350 (SB350):
The services may include, but are not limited to all of the following: (1) Community psychiatric supportive treatment; (2) Assertive community treatment; (3) Medications; (4) Individual or group therapy; (5) Peer support services; (6) Financial services; (7) Housing or supervised living services; (8) Alcohol or substance abuse treatment; (9) any other services prescribed to treat the patient’s mental illness and to either assist the person in living and functioning in the community or to help prevent a relapse or a deterioration of the patient’s current condition.
What Ohio legisltor acts as the Committee Chair for this proposed bill?
The reason I ask is that this bill needs to be stopped dead in its tracks… NEVER GET OUT of committee!
Please post the bill sponsor’s email address, along with the Committee Chair’s email address, so we can inundate their offices with objections, and stop this thing from seeing the light of day!
And when we get this bill stopped dead in its tracks, lets’ begin to think pro-actively for once.
Let’s stop constantly focusing on defense, and begin to focus on offense as well!
Let’s get our own damned bill passed and signed into law…. and put an end to this crap! –
Chief Sponsor is State Sentor Dave Burke contact below:
This is going through the Judiciary Committee contacts below:
Great letter to Betsy by the way.
Appreciate all the support. This is the wrong approach to helping those struggling with mental health issues. Focusing on the way we provide services and the types of services is what other states have found make the difference. Not criminalizing people who don’t “do as their told”
IMO, recovery begins with “non-compliance”!
Thanks for the links.
I’ve got a very busy week lined up, but will send an email to each of the legislators in spite of my business and personal calendar!
I don’t know how much weight they will hold from a Texan; hopefully, some folks from Ohio will contact both of them, and make sure this proposed bill never sees the light-of-day.
To NAMI readers: The revolution has just begun!
You da man Duane!
We’re trying to bring a fellow Texan Mike Halligan to Ohio in a few months for a peer conference. We’re mobilizing responses in Ohio against this bill too. Have a great weekend.
Remember the Alamo!
Sent a couple of letters off today (emails) to Burke and Wagoner.
I’ll keep you in my prayers with SB 350.
P.S. I love this piece by C.S. Lewis…
kinda says it all –
“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victim may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.” – C. S. Lewis
That’s a brilliant quote. Had not heard/read that before. Thanks again Duane for all your efforts.
I sent a letter by email to each of the Judiciary Committee members as well.
You may want to track this bill, and find out when it’s scheduled for a public hearing; bring a group of folks to provide committee testimony on why it needs to be stopped.
Have a nice weekend, David.
A couple of thoughts:
1) Don’t let NAMI Ohio make this bill appear to be more than it is. In spite of the verbage, this will lead to forced drugging. It has in each of the states where similar bills were passed.
2) Re: Committee Testimony… Find out what rules are in place in Ohio about testimony. If NAMI Ohio received state money, and organizations that receive state funds are ineligible to testify in committee hearings, then hold the Ohio Senate to its own rules!
This is about stopping this bill.
Do what you need to do (legally, morally) to stop it!
Duane your point about NAMI Ohio receiving “State” funds raises an important question and potential opportunity.
NAMI Ohio does receive a large amount of funding from the Ohio Department of Mental Health (for “advocacy”) but the funds are Federal Block Grant Funds funneled through ODMH to NAMI.
The opportunity is to continue to engage the Department in a conversation about NAMI’s efforts. Does the Department agree with their advocacy? How does that position harmonize with statutorily defined client rights? How has the Department determined that advocating for forced care is preferred over focusing on advocating for alternative services for people in crisis or “headed towards a crisis”?
As always, your interest and commitment are appreciated.
NAMI Ohio made Chuck Grassley’s ‘Top Ten” list (2005-2009) with money received from Pharma:
California NAMI: $632,000 ($126,400 per year on average)
– Delaware NAMI: $269,000 ($53,800 per year on average)
– Florida NAMI: $414,000 ($82,800 per year on average)
– Indiana NAMI: $356,000 ($71,200 per year on average)
– Massachusetts NAMI: $308,000 ($61,600 per year on average)
– Minnesota NAMI: $291,000 ($58,200 per year on average)
– New York NAMI: $448,000 ($89,600 per year on average)
– North Carolina NAMI: $250,000 ($50,000 per year on average)
– Ohio NAMI: $623,000 ($124,600 per year on average)
– Pennsylvania NAMI: $250,000 ($50,000 per year on average)
Don’t let NAMI Ohio claim this is a “red herring”!
It is not.
This is about expanding marketshare for drug companies, while keeping a broken paradigm of care up-and-running.
Their bill has nothing to do with care.
And everything to do with failed “treatment” by force.
It’s been a BUSY day, but I’m working on this when I can…
Normally, I write privately on these bills, but thought this might be a perfect opportunity for fellow blog readers to see how simple this process is… Emails to Committee members can be short-and-sweet, to the point.
This is an example of one that was sent to a member of the Ohio Judiciary Committee –
Re: SB 350
The proposed senate bill 350 is not good legislation.
Historically, when passed in other states, assistive outpatient
treatment has led to forced drugging with powerful and dangerous
antipsychotic drugs – Drugs that impede recovery and cause disability –
More importantly, is the issue of due process –
Please stop this bill from seeing the light of day in Ohio.
Duane Sherry, M.S.
Lastly, NAMI Ohio needs to make its finances public – for all to read, including its percentage of money it receives from Pharma.
I’m going to write a letter to U.S. Senator Charles Grassley asking that state NAMI offices be required to:
1) Publicly post their funding sources (as required by NAMI National)
2) Operate in keeping with IRS regulations for a non-profit, 502 (c3) operation – namely, not get involved in political action. This is the law, and it needs to be upheld. NAMI’s politics are not “advocacy”… they are involved in legislation to increase marketshare for drugmakers, plain-and-simple, and it needs to stop!
I will post the letter to Grassley, when I have a little time to write it.
Give ’em hell, David!
typo, 501 (c)(3)
David posted the contact information for the bill sponsor and Judicicary Committee members.
Please take a few minutes to write some letters.
Let’s stop NAMI Ohio, and do it publicly.
Post your letters on this blog, so others can read them… and so that NAMI Ohio understands they can NO LONGER continue to practice politics-as-usual!
This is a great example of where your leadership and experience can help others Duane.
I can’t say enough how grateful I am that you’re taking the time to advocate for humane care and respectful treatment.
Friday is shaping up to be an important meeting. While I don’t expect to change any NAMI minds, they will know that we don’t approve of their position and we’re going to enlist as many people as possible who feel the same to way to speak out.
Glad you’re out there, David!
You’re what we Texans (who speak a little broken Spanish) call “Buena gente”.
… y vaya con Dios, mi amigo.
(mi esposa es latina)
I spent some time on the phone today with a woman on U.S. Senator Grassley’s staff, and sent this email to her (to forward to the senator):
Thank you for all you’ve done to insist on transparency in the area of federally-funded pharmaceutical research, particularly in the area of psychiatric drugs. Many of us are grateful that the National Alliance on Mental Illness (NAMI National) was called to task, and is now publicly posting their funding sources. –
Unfortunately, the state NAMI offices remain silent in regard to their sources of funding, and continue to operate as front-groups for pharmaceutical companies – expanding marketshare, under the guise of “advocacy”.
These state NAMI offices receive non-profit, 501 (c)(3) status from the federal government. Because of this tax-exempt status, it would seem only reasonable that the federal government provide oversight into their operations, to make certain they are maintaining federal (IRS) guidelines in the following areas:
1) Making financial information (including funding sources) easily available to the public
2) Not becoming political arms (or front-groups) for businesses or industries
Please investigate each of the state NAMI offices, to include NAMI Ohio, an agency that insists it only receives 5 percent of its operating budget from major pharmaceutical companies; while actively lobbying to have more people court-ordered to take psychiatric drugs (Ohio Senate Bill 350).
These drugs impede recovery and cause disability for the vast majority, particularly when taken for the long-term. –
NAMI is not “America’s voice on mental illness”…
It is nothing short of the lobbying partner of the drug companies, and millions of Americans are being injured by their “advocacy”.
Duane Sherry, M.S.
That tagline, “The voice on mental illness” Rubs me the wrong way. It’s arrogant for anyone or any group to think they speak monolithically for another.
NAMI National did comply to Grassley to some extent. It’s unclear to me if State chapters can do the same. Examining their IRS 990 form it’s not clear what income is pharma or not.
Hopefully, Grassley will make the state chapters reveal the sources of their revenue.
Re: “Voice on mental illness.”
Actually, NAMI may have a point…
They’ve done more to promote “mental illness” than any other group!
I like to think of their name change… and how they ALMOST got it right, not once, but twice.
The first name should have been the
National Alliance ON the Mentally Ill…
The second, the
National Alliance FOR Mental Illness.
Remember, “Friends don’t let friends join NAMI.”
Just wanted to update folks on our meeting Friday with NAMI Ohio leadership. What became clear from the very beginning was that no positions were going to be changed based on the information exchanged. NAMI Ohio seems to believe it’s in a person’s “best interest” to be subject to involuntary outpatient commitment. They need to be protected from themselves. Recovery principles don’t apply because the person can’t make “good” decisions when “in this state.” References were made to T.A.C and NAMI National (no surprises).
In short, we have to fight for a view 180 degrees different from the NAMI view. We will be trying to influence professionals, politicians, state and local policy makers, families and peers of our position and encourage them to speak out.
1. Involuntary Outpatient Commitment (IOC) Remains Unproven
2. IOC violates fundamental rights of autonomy, liberty,
choice, freedom and confidentiality
3. IOC is inconsistent with Recovery and Trauma Informed
The only glimmer of hope (and it was faint) was an acknowledgement by NAMI that if different services existed, perhaps IOC wouldn’t be needed. I agreed that different services are in fact needed but IOC is never needed.
The next few months will hopefully see us successful, like Connecticut, in defeating this inhumane Bill.
Thanks for everyone’s interest and support!
Being a bit of a lay person not fluent in legalese, I am reluctant to write a letter and send it off to the appropriate parties in Ohio. How likely would it be to get a general form letter or a link to a petition on a general activist site such as signon.org, that briefly outlines our concerns and/or our reasons for wanting this bill to be stopped. Such a letter or link could easily be passed through social networking websites (Facebook, Icarus Project) and personal blogs and thereby guarantee a uniform and consistent message from concerned citizens.
That’s a great question! Let me work up a template that can be used as you suggest. Thanks!
That would be great!
After five years of institutionalization (in which I never say a lawyer or a judge until he granted my freedom at ordered my parents out of my life until that time in which I invited them to be part of it. It has been 22 years, and I still wake up thinking I’m still there. That feeling is like the need to stretch but so intense it turns your stomach. Then panic and despair. On other nights, I am paralyzed in my dream reliving the few memories I have until I finally can scream and wake myself up. I would rather die than live like that. Anosognosia is nothing more than an profit diagnosis. I also like the added insinuation that we are so incompetent we can’t even tell we’re incompetent. I like how Torrey notes an inability to understand how someone can be sick and not know when the symptoms are so obvious. Yes, when you make them up at your convenience I”m sure the symptoms become quite striking. I think, in order to strip someone of every aspect of their humanity, you should have to endure it yourself first. I don’t think they would make it a day.
On a legal note, I would like to know what makes judges equipped to decide the severity of someone’s mental illness?
And if I was their lawyer, I would demand to see clear and concrete evidence anytime a psychiatrist claims to have neurological proof of mental illness. Further, I think if they want this level of power and control, they should be held to the same standards as a criminal commitment. If I’m going to be treated like a criminal, I’d like to at least have the right they are afforded.
I find it insulting to my intelligence that at this juncture we’re still pretending that you are motivated by the greater good. Usually, the greater good gets considerably less monetary perks. The best thing for the mentally ill at this juncture would be to rid ourselves of any and all contributions by NAMI, APA, ADA, psychiatrists, and the media. At least that way, I wouldn’t feel like I was actively participating while they further their own monetary and political agendas at my expense. I honestly think we would do less damage representing our own cause, and our complacent passive acceptance of the ADA instead of proper legal guarantees is ridiculous. I don’t want their limited protections of the rights they will allow me as long as they don’t interfere with their campaign contributions. If my complaint is constitutional, I should still be granted constitutional review. It is blatant proof of prejudice that Congress instead decides to create the ADA and hide their findings of long term stigma and prejudice. As to findings of risk and possibility of dangerousness, as heinous and cruel as these shootings have been, they don’t hold a candle to the danger presented by people in power who are willing to sacrifice so many human lives and hopes for monetary gain.