Just about everyone believes that depression—the #1 psychiatric diagnosis—is explained in the same way as physical illnesses; that is, that depression, too, is of genetic/physiological origin.
Many people also believe the psychiatric drugs prescribed to treat depression are effective because they correct a verified biological causation for depression, a chemical imbalance in the brain.
These beliefs have been shaped by NIH’s National Institute for Mental Health (NIMH) and by psychiatrists, whose opinions regarding mental health care are trusted by the public.
NIMH and psychiatrists have not always explained depression to be genetic (as “running in the family”). For most of the 20th century, depression was viewed to be of psychological origin. NIMH regarded depression as a rare, non-recurring disorder, with a very favorable prognosis. It was treated psychologically, not medically. The head of NIMH’s Depression Section, Dean Schuyler, stated that most depressive episodes “will run their course and terminate with virtually complete recovery without specific intervention.” NIMH concluded, “Depression is, on the whole, one of the psychiatric conditions with the best prognosis for eventual recovery with or without treatment.” A psychiatric textbook (Silverman, C., 1968, The Epidemiology of Depression) reported that just 6% of the U.S population was diagnosed as depressed during their lifetime.
Today’s belief that mental disorder is of genetic/physiological origin best treated medically with antidepressant drugs was advanced in 1980 when the American Psychiatric Association published psychiatry’s third edition of their diagnostic manual of mental disorders, DSM-III. The manual’s publication was accompanied by psychiatry’s chemical imbalance theory of mental disorder and advocacy of medical treatment of depression by prescription of antidepressant drugs. Psychiatry’s rejection (including by NIMH) of the previous psychological viewpoint regarding depression (and other mental disorders) is referred to as psychiatry’s “medical revolution.”
Five times as many people now are diagnosed as depressed during their lifetime (primarily women). Tens of millions take these drugs every day. Moreover, depression now has a poor prognosis, with frequent relapses.
In assessing what to make of this changed conceptualization of depression and the much worse treatment outcome, it is important to understand the significant difference in the scientific credibility of the claims being made by psychiatrists compared with those of doctors who treat physical illnesses. Whereas an abundance of scientific research attests to the biological causation and the medical treatments of numerous physical illnesses, this is not true of psychiatric claims. Aside from just a few mental disorders—Down syndrome, dementia, and the organic disorders of alcohol and drug abuse—none of the commonly diagnosed mental disorders, including depression, has been found to be of biological origin. And despite what you may have read or been told, outcome research has not found antidepressant drug treatment of depression to be very effective.
This is not for want of trying. With regard to the causation of depression, NIMH has spent many tens of billions of research dollars over the course of more than fifty years seeking to find evidence for a genetic, neurological, or physiological basis for depression. Their efforts have failed. When biological evidence (genetic evidence) is found it is quite weak, providing insufficient accounting for the disorder.
As a prime example related to causation, in the early 2000s, a group of psychiatrists claimed they were ready to provide a new diagnostic manual (DSM-5) which would diagnose mental disorders on the basis of brain abnormalities. The American Psychiatric Association appointed them as a task force to implement their claims. Put to the test, they were unable to demonstrate that the mental disorders are biological illnesses. They could not distinguish one disorder from another physiologically, neurologically, or genetically; they could not specify biomarkers for any of the mental disorders; and the kappa statistical values pertaining to the reliability of their diagnoses were even worse than those for DSM-III.
Ultimately, when DSM-5 was published in 2013, the manual retained the descriptive stance adopted for DSM-III, which had ducked specifying any biological causation for the disorders. Robert Spitzer, who headed up the construction of DSM-III, acknowledged he knew of no such evidence apart from the few disorders I cited above. Nonetheless, psychiatrists have used DSM-III ever since to promote this contention that depression is a biological disorder.
With regard to assessments of the value of drug treatments for depression, not only have antidepressant drugs not been found to be very effective treatments for depression, the data indicate that when taken long-term, which is how these drugs most often are prescribed, the outcome is a worsening of depression.
NIMH’s research efforts to demonstrate that antidepressant drugs are of value began with studies of the antidepressant drug imipramine. Outcome studies failed to find the drug to be effective. Measured short term (after three months), patients treated with the drug did not benefit any more than those treated with a placebo. Even worse, when drug effectiveness was measured long-term, after 18 months of treatment (the more meaningful measure), the drug-treated patients received no more benefit than those treated with a placebo; the drug-treated patients had a lower number of weeks being symptom-free; they had higher relapse rates; and a higher percentage of the drug-treated patients sought additional treatment. Most damningly, patients treated with a placebo, and patients not treated at all, fared better than the patients treated with the drug.
Today’s favored antidepressant drugs are the SSRIs. Psychologist Irving Kirsch, who is the leading researcher on the placebo effect, re-analyzed the data submitted by the drug companies to the FDA (of measures taken short-term) that led to the FDA’s approval of the SSRIs as effective treatments for depression. He found that the FDA had erred. His statistical analyses of the data show the drugs qualified as producing a placebo effect, not a drug effect.
Outcome research conducted in other countries on the effectiveness of the SSRIs report results consistent with these findings. The UK’s health department found antidepressant drugs are no more helpful short-term than placebos and much less helpful than placebos long-term. A Swiss study found the long-term outcome for patients treated psychologically was significantly better than those treated with antidepressant drugs (SSRIs) and that patients treated with antidepressant drugs fared worse than those not treated at all.
In 2006, NIMH conducted the STAR*D study in a more concerted effort to obtain scientific substantiation for their beliefs that depression is a biological disorder and that the SSRIs are effective treatments for depression. Enrolling over 4,000 patients who were being treated in clinics across the country, and at a cost of 35 million dollars, the STAR*D study is the largest study ever done to determine the effectiveness of antidepressant drug treatment measured short-term and long-term and to provide evidence for depression having a biological basis.
The study’s results mirrored previous findings. Measured short-term, after a month of SSRI drug treatment, the results were modest (30-35% remission), closely matching what previous drug outcome studies and Kirsch’s re-analysis of the FDA data had found that the SSRIs provide a placebo effect. Measured long-term, after twelve months of treatment (the more meaningful measure of effectiveness), the remission rate was just 3%, agreeing with the negative results found by previous antidepressant outcome studies.
However, these findings are not what STAR*D’s investigators reported for the study. By various means of statistical sleight of hand, they claimed—quite falsely—that the drugs are successful treatments for almost 70% of the patients. NIMH, psychiatrists, and the media have been reporting these as the results of the STAR*D study ever since. They have succeeded in leading the public (and other doctors) to believe these drugs are of great value when that is not at all what the study found. Four publications have documented how these are fabrications, not the study’s findings—a major example of research fraud. The evidence has been detailed in these pages (see Whitaker, R., January, 2025, “Summing up the STAR*D Scandal: The Public was Betrayed, Millions were Harmed, and the Mainstream Media Failed Us All,” Mad in America).
A secondary goal of the STAR*D study was to provide evidence that depression is a biologically heterogeneous disorder successfully treated when patients are prescribed the drug that fits their form of depression, “matching patients with their optimal treatments.” STAR*D’s investigators falsely claim their drug treatment results verify this heterogeneity theory of depression. In fact, when analyzed correctly, the STAR*D data show that it did not matter what drug was prescribed. Every drug produced the same limited effect as every other drug. The data do not support psychiatry’s biological theory that treating patients with drugs having different biochemical actions enhances the outcome.
These negative results should not be surprising. Psychiatry’s justification for prescription of the SSRIs is based on the chemical imbalance theory of depression, that depression is caused by a deficiency in the brain of the neurotransmitter serotonin, and that the SSRIs correct this deficiency. Research conducted by UK psychiatrist, Joanna Moncrieff, which applied five different methods of biological analysis, soundly disposes of this theory. She found no support for the chemical imbalance theory of depression.
Psychiatry’s “medical revolution,” which has shaped the beliefs of doctors and the public into believing depression is a biological illness best treated with antidepressant drugs, is contradicted by scientific testing. Follow-up data show that rather than alleviating depression, psychiatry’s medicalization of depression is contributing to it (see Robert Whitaker’s book, Anatomy of an Epidemic, and Laura Delano’s book, Unshrunk). Quite plainly, psychiatry’s medicalization of depression exists in great contrast to the standards of scientific testing adhered to by researchers studying the cause and treatment of physical illnesses—research standards that have led to successful treatments for so many commonly occurring physical illnesses.
Patients being treated for depression are led to believe in antidepressant drugs by drug company hype, trust in their doctor’s advice, the popularity of taking these drugs, the placebo effect, and misinterpretation by the doctor and the patient of adverse drug effects as a recurrence of depression. Not by biology, not by genetics.
The science that confirms the genetics related to animal behavior originated with the observations of Charles Darwin and Gregor Mendel. Richard Dawkins, the evolutionary biologist, advanced our understanding of how genetic changes occur by pointing out how evolution depends upon an animal’s movements (behaviors) which happen to take advantage of opportunities presented in the immediate environment—a process that plays out genetically over eons.
This principle has generality. It not only explains genetic changes that are biologically determined, including explaining some physical illnesses, it also explains the process of learning, which is determined psychologically. Behaviors that are synchronized with what the environment has to offer are subject to learning because they are reinforced. Importantly, this learning process occurs over days and weeks, not eons.
The science related to human behavior tells us that our behavior, in contrast to lower animals, is primarily a function of learning, not genetics—a psychological process. Mammals evolved with larger brains, expanding their potential for learning. Humans enjoy the greatest advantage. This is not to deny the importance of the biology of the human brain. Our brain houses the substrates necessary for our psychologically determined behaviors to be learned, such as memory functions, the reinforcement system, and our cognitive ability.
Behavioral principles, honed over decades of psychological research, explain how our behaviors are created, how they are shaped and maintained, and how they are ended and replaced. Scientifically sound behavioral research provides the explanation for how the commonly diagnosed mental disorders, including depression, arise as learned dysfunctional behaviors—and how they can be unlearned by making use of the same principles. Mental disorders that cannot be explained biologically can be explained psychologically.
During the 20th century there were two psychological explanations for the causation of depression: psychoanalysis, which was widely-accepted, and behavioral psychology, which was less well-known and whose basic features were still under study. Psychiatrists at that time explained depression and other mental disorders according to Freudian psychoanalytic theory, which holds that depression is caused by unconscious conflicts related to unresolved negative childhood experiences. The theory is speculative, incapable of scientific testing, because case histories are cited for its basis. Case histories do not qualify as science because they are subjective, which limits scientific testing of the theory and of whatever elements in this psychological treatment may be contributing to its success.
However, patients diagnosed as depressed were not treated with psychoanalysis (or with drugs, which came later). Psychoanalysis is a lengthy treatment of several years’ duration—even its abbreviated versions last a year or longer. The prime treatment for depression was relaxation and exercise. As I indicated above, the outcome was quite favorable compared to the outcome found for other mental disorders and off the charts in comparison with today’s results for the diagnosis and treatment of depression. It is easy to speculate that in addition to whatever relevant societal changes have taken place in life experiences since then, the prime contributors to the success of this simple psychological treatment is that patients experiencing normal sadness were not misdiagnosed as depressed as they are now, and those who were depressed were not told they had a brain disease and they were not poisoned with harmful drugs.
A psychological, scientifically sound understanding of depression (and other commonly diagnosed mental disorders) originated in the early 1900s in psychology laboratories, where behaviorally oriented psychologists conducted studies on the process of learning. Behavioral psychologists are strict empiricists, and they reject theories that are not data-based. Their stance is very much in alignment with the scientific standards of Darwin, Mendel, and Dawkins. By the mid-1900s, their animal research had advanced sufficiently to enable studies of human learning, including of the behaviors that characterize mental disorder.
They found, as suggested by Dawkins, that the dysfunctional behaviors that characterize the mental disorders not only are learned behaviors, they are learned in the same way as normal, functional behaviors. With regard to depression, behavioral scientists found the chief causes to be adverse environments, dysfunctional responses to these negative conditions, and traumatic experiences of loss.
Several forms of learning were discovered. The simplest form of learning is Ivan Pavlov’s classical conditioning. Pavlov demonstrated a dog could be conditioned to salivate to a sound when it was paired with food—a physiological response not under voluntary control. A second form of learning, studied extensively by B. F Skinner, is called operant conditioning. This form of learning takes place because of the effects of a response. Favorable effects increase the likelihood a behavior will be repeated; unfavorable effects reduce that likelihood.
Behavioral research has revealed how the behaviors that characterize the mental disorders are learned according to these principles. An important finding is that learning can be determined by the short-term positive effects of behaviors even when the long-term effects are decidedly negative. Avoidance behaviors are governed in this way and have been verified to be the origin of the dysfunctional behaviors that define several mental disorders, including depression. Importantly, research results confirm that the deviant behaviors characterizing the mental disorders can be eliminated (cured) by applying these same principles to change this dysfunctional learning. This is the research that gave rise to the development of behavior therapy.
The first behavioral treatment, developed by Joseph Wolpe in the 1960s, was based on laboratory studies of fear conditioning and extinction which disclosed how fears are learned and how they can be unlearned. Wolpe was a psychiatrist, whose dissatisfaction with what he had learned in his psychiatric residency led him to apprentice in a psychology laboratory where psychologists were studying fear conditioning and extinction in cats. Based on that experience he developed a straightforward behavioral treatment designed to cure phobias. He stated that phobias are learned fears that can be eliminated by applying a simple procedure based on what he had learned in that lab. His treatment alarmed the psychoanalysts, who were the dominant mental health practitioners at that time. They regarded phobias as unconscious representations of hidden childhood traumas, and they were convinced by this theory that eliminating the phobia would precipitate a psychosis. The controversy continued in psychiatric and psychology journals for several years until Wolpe demonstrated his treatment, which he called systematic desensitization, worked well without any such disastrous effect. This treatment continues to be the treatment of choice for phobias.
Another treatment of a commonly diagnosed mental disorder, obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD), also was devised on the basis of research in psychology laboratories on the process of learning. Edna Foa, a psychologist, devised a behavioral treatment for OCD, called exposure and response prevention, which also is based on eliminating avoidance behavior. It continues to be the best treatment for this disorder.
The best treatment for borderline personality disorder, a very serious mental disorder that previously was regarded as intractable, is Marsha Linehan’s dialectical behavior therapy, which she derived from psychological research.
Aaron Beck’s cognitive-behavioral treatment (CBT) for depression is based on how depression is caused psychologically by faulty assumptions, beliefs, and behaviors that adversely affect a person’s views of self, others, and the future, leading to depression. Beck, who was a psychiatrist, stated his treatment is educational, not medical. In great contrast to the negative outcome of antidepressant drugs, psychological treatment of depression is found to be significantly more effective than placebo, significantly more effective than drug treatment, and its effectiveness increases with time, probably because patients apply the lessons learned after treatment ends.
Behavioral treatments based on operant conditioning research are the best treatments we have for cocaine and amphetamine addiction.
Take note of the wide range of mental disorders treated successfully by psychological treatments derived empirically. If NIMH was doing its job, it would be developing a new DSM that follows the standards of diagnostic manuals for physical illnesses by specifying the psychological causation of each of the mental disorders and recommending the psychological treatment that causation dictates—neither of which is provided by psychiatry’s DSM.
Publication of the success of these psychological treatments predated psychiatry’s “medical revolution.” These treatments were found to be superior to psychoanalytic treatment when that was the treatment of choice, and they have since been found to be superior to drug treatments. This has not mattered to NIMH and psychiatry even if it has required making stuff up. Psychiatrists are determined to medicalize mental health care regardless of the research results which show that human behavior is largely a function of learning, not biology, and that behavior therapy, based on verified psychological principles, is effective whereas drug treatment is not.
Despite having had miniscule funding by NIMH in comparison with the funding of drug research, behavior therapy is the best treatment we have for depression and the other commonly diagnosed mental disorders. This is not to claim that behavior therapy is fully developed. More research is needed to advance how it is delivered in order to improve its effectiveness and efficiency. There is considerable reason to believe that if NIMH increases its funding of behavioral research the treatment will become even better.
The value and generality of behavioral psychology’s research findings has been amply substantiated by the ubiquitous application of this research for other purposes related to controlling human behavior. Google has used these principles in the design of its apps and Apple in its design of iPhones. Political consultants use them to get their candidates elected. The drug companies, who spend billions of dollars to prevent public understanding of the superiority of behavioral treatments over their drugs, are a prime example of how industries depend upon these principles to enhance their bottom line.
Sports psychologists and behavior therapists make use of these principles to help individuals, not powerfully funded commercial and political interests. Psychological principles are there for the taking. They exist in the same way gravity exists. The methodology is just as available to be used to benefit individuals as it is to serve commercial and political interests.
The scientific record is clear. The awful truth is that the claims made by psychiatric authorities are not to be trusted. Scientific research does not support how NIMH and psychiatry have influenced the public to believe that depression is of biological causation best treated medically. Psychological principles derived from research in psychology laboratories explain the causation of depression as psychological and verify the effectiveness of behavioral treatment for depression.
Rhetoric, not science, has determined the public’s erroneous beliefs of a biological basis for depression and the supposed value of antidepressant drugs. We are paying a heavy price for this misguidance.
Scientific data tell us that whereas physical illnesses have physical causation and should be treated medically, depression (and other commonly occurring mental disorders) is different. An abundance of scientific evidence tells us that depression is of psychological origin and that it should be treated psychologically by behavior therapy, not medically by antidepressant drugs.
Dr. Leventhal has given us a superb critique of the pseudomedical model of mental illness, which preaches that if there were no “mental illness,” then our lives would be a carefree utopia of interpersonal harmony. But perhaps life itself is inherently tragic, filled with losses and setbacks, and our goal is not to seek an elusive cure, but to find ways to survive the storms that are sure to come our way.
Why do medical doctors, who supposedly can read research and scientific studies, adopt the bogus theories of psychiatry? Yet general practitioners are wholeheartedly diagnosing depression and prescribing antidepressants.
And while clinical psychologists are not medical doctors and cannot prescribe medications, many of them have also adopted the DSM and make arrangements for their clients to get prescriptions from MDs. After all, psychologists, counselors, and social workers have a valuable product to sell on the open market: confidential, voluntary, talk “therapy.”
Meanwhile, Leventhal’s superb summary can be shown to people to give them an alternative path to take in their lives. At least then they will have the informed consent they have been denied by their medical professionals.
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All DSM “bible” billers are the guilty, based upon my experience, and medical records. And they should all repent, burn their “invalid” DSM billing code “bible,” and change from their evil, pathological lying, and highly delusional ways.
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“Why do medical doctors, who supposedly can read research and scientific studies, adopt the bogus theories of psychiatry? Yet general practitioners are wholeheartedly diagnosing depression and prescribing anti-depressants?”
Here’s a few reasons:
1) Most medical doctors aren’t taught—or may lack enough adequate training—to critically examine research studies effectively
2) Some may be ignorant of or indifferent to the fact that most drug “research” is funded by pharmaceutical companies
3) Most are afraid of being sued for not performing “Standard of Care”, which today calls for a “diagnosis” of “depression” and the subsequent prescribing of “antidepressants”
And very likely:
4) Most medical students are trained to believe uncritically whatever they’re taught as medical school is a place where questioning authority is rarely looked upon kindly, to say the least; in other words, believing uncritically what you are taught and doing uncritically what you are told are often the only ways to survive such a brutally competitive environment.
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The very screening process for who gets INTO medical school tends to weed out the creative and rebellious types and selects instead for those most successful in adhering to the authoritarian requirements of their school environments. Anti-authoritarians rarely become doctors, and those who survive are pre-selected to be less likely than most to question “the authorities” who are telling them what is what. And I highly admire those who manage to push through all of the authoritarian training and still maintain their integrity and independence of thought. I find such specimen rare, indeed.
IMHO.
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Yes. Integrity and independence are not just discouraged, they are usually derided.
Conformity is implicitly demanded.
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CORRECTION: “independence of thought”
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That is so well said, and most of us here know that deeply. I see there is a revolution to come from it. Thank you.
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3) Most fear being sued for not practicing “Standard of Care” in case their patient chooses to commits suicide or homicide, etc.
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“Dr. Leventhal has given us a superb critique of the pseudomedical model of mental illness, which preaches that if there were no “mental illness”, then our lives would be a carefree utopia of interpersonal harmony. But perhaps life itself is inherently tragic, filled with losses and setbacks, and our goal is not to seek an elusive cure, but to find ways to survive the storms that are sure to come our way.”
One can hope, but that would mean the majority of the population would have to stop believing in psychology and psychiatry’s many priests and priestesses, most of whom aren’t about to let anything like that happen anytime soon, as the majority of these folks are too busy feeding at its all too lucrative (and ego-enhancing) trough.
Personal and interpersonal harmony are worthy aspirations, but the truth is life will always be riddled with personal and interpersonal conflicts because wrestling/finding peace within one’s own human nature is ultimately what living life amounts to, with or without psychiatry or psychology’s list of “illnesses such as “depression”, “anxiety”, “bipolar” or its fondest pet ailment, “personality disorders.”
IMHO.
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Finding peace within one’s own human nature is ultimately what life is about—with or without psychiatry or psychology’s ever-growing list of “illnesses” such as depression, anxiety, bipolar, or its favorite pet ailment, “personality disorders” and, most importantly, with or without its myriad of so-called “evidence-based therapies” that too often lead too many unsuspecting people more ill and confused than before they ever sought so-called “professional help”.
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Finding peace within one’s own human nature is difficult for every human being, and even more so for those disproportionately burdened by insurmountable struggles NOT OF THEIR OWN MAKING.
It is PROFOUNDLY UNHELPFUL to have one’s life further complicated by the misguided interpretations of group made up (mostly) of self-important individuals whose ideology is (intentionally?) rooted in medially objectifying human beings rather than recognizing them for who they truly are—persons of inestimable dignity.
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CORRECTION: “medically objectifying” human beings
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The medical school experience for most students is uniquely transforming as it subtly overtakes a student’s mindset/identity, imperceptibly distancing them from the rest of humankind intellectually, psychologically and emotionally. Many call it brutal, and some call it traumatizing. And a similar phenomenon can happen with people in non-medical graduate psych programs.
The main reason I think such experiences are so cognitively impactful is because most of the people who enter such schools are still relatively young, meaning they’re still in the process forming an adult identity, an identity they’re made to believe is the only ticket to worldly success. However, the worldly success most of them seek is for a world most of them have limited experience with, meaning wisdom—and the courage to speak up—have yet to develop and hopefully someday finally manifest.
IMHO.
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Simply put, the graduates of most psychology and psychiatry programs are, for the most part, woefully unprepared to deal intelligently, realistically, creatively and humanely with the emotional/existential struggles many people face because such intensively myopic training (indoctrination) leaves little room or time for their own deep self-questioning and personal explorations/excavations—the very things that would qualify them to be in a position to truly help their fellow human beings.
IMHO and personal experience.
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These sorts of articles have been written to death on here for the past 12 years. I see little that changes at the ground level. I don’t see a single commenter get a permanent resolution to their issues.
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Why can’t it be both? If a person has a polymorphism in their genes severely inhibiting T4 to T3 conversion, they will more than likely experience “depression”, but so may a perfectly healthy mother who just lost her children in a car accident.
Besides what is depression? What I call depression may not be what you refer to as depression. It cannot really be defined only a list of symptoms described. How on earth if you cannot scientifically define the problem, can you determine from whence it came?
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Finally someone said the obvious truth that some how not many people seem to understand. True physiological depression does exist, but it is very rare and most cases of what is considered “depression” is either psychological or situational or both. True physiological depression is a constant dysphoria that is not affected by circumstances or thoughts. Very different from feeling empty because you pursue materialism over more fullfilling pursuits, or being stressed and unhappy because you’re struggling to make ends meet. Yet a wide range of diverse things are all lumped together under the label of depression, which confuses everything and ultimately prevents anyone from getting the help they actually need.
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“none of the commonly diagnosed mental disorders, including depression, has been found to be of biological origin.”
Dr Lisa Pan from Pittsburg University found a large number of treatable METABOLIC abnormalities in people with “treatment resistant” depression including low cerebral folate and low tetrahydrobiopterin as well as abnormalities in lipid and purine metabolism.
None of the controls had any of the abnormalities. She treated the ones with low cerebral folate and low tetrahydrobiopterin with Folinic Acid and sapropterin and ALL improved.
So that makes depression a NEUROMETABOLIC condition. Since SSRIs lower Folate and affect lipid and purine metabolism as well as gut bacteria, their use should be contraindicated.
“Metabolomic disorders: confirmed presence of potentially treatable abnormalities in patients with treatment refractory depression and suicidal behavior”
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36330595/
“Metabolic features of treatment-refractory major depressive disorder with suicidal ideation”
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10721812/
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No, it makes a certain SUBSET of depression a “neurometabolic condition.” Unless EVERY case of “depression” has low folate, etc. it is wrong to say that it is the cause of all cases that fit the “major depression” label.
In other words, low folate is a condition that might cause depression and is treatable by folic acid. We would be treating LOW FOLATE, not “Major Depression.”
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I had to stop reading this about 2/3 of the way through. I’m sure some of this resonates with some people, but the problem with some of these articles is how black and white things are portrayed. There is no line between psychological and biological and mental health issues arise from multifactorial causes. In my case it must have been primarily biological in some sense because I had a happy childhood, no trauma, and I suffered miserably for 8 years without any kind of intervention with no improvement at all, and when I started SSRI’s I finally saw a dramatic improvement (only in some of my symptoms, others persisted, but my quality of life improved a lot. I didn’t have any psychological issues when depression first started, but I developed psychological issues as I tried to understand why I felt so awful. So I didn’t have any psychological issues prior to depression but being depressed then caused psychological issues that took quite ab bit of therapy to later unravel. MIA has kind of extreme views, the truth is generally in the middle. Medications are neither categorically good nor bad, but MIA articles portray them as bad across the board.
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Things that happen to people like Kate W are pretty extreme. This is one of the only places on the internet that allows you to even express it.
For example, on 24-Apr-25, I got banned out of a mental health chatroom for saying that psych labels are not explanations of problems (they are just categorisations). The “you are not a medical professional” card was used and I’m allegedly a danger to the chatters with my views. Also had the false allegation of “you are attempting to talk people out of seeing their doctors” put. Pretty extreme don’t you think?
There was a woman writing about how she’s borderline and that makes her meet narcissists and psychopaths. I found it sad how people view their lives through the prism of such terms instead of just seeing it for what their individual lives are as they are. I mentioned that going through problems is bad enough without seeing your life through the prism of such labels.
Here is a transcript (usernames have been changed to Mod and me):
Mod (18:39:16)
Hello, me, I’m a mod for this chat and I need a moment of your time, plz.
Please respond here.
me (18:39:23)
yes
Mod (18:39:58)
I am sorry, but as you are not a medical professional, and are attempting to talk people out of seeing their doctors, you are being removed.
me (18:40:05)
huh?
Mod (18:40:10)
TY for your time, please DO NOT return in 48 hours.
me (18:40:14)
i did not attempt to talk people out of seeing doctors
that’s not true at all
Mod (18:40:33)
You are saying psychology is not a valid medical field.
me (18:40:43)
how does having a conversation about psychiatric categorisations have anything to do with not seeing doctors?
i said no such thing
Mod (18:40:52)
You are mistaken, and because such views are dangerous to our chatters, you’re being removed.
me (18:41:01)
please show me where i said “psychology is not a valid medical field”
Mod (18:41:21)
[08:07:37] i don’t care how many times they call psych categorisations as diagnoses. they aren’t. we’ve been forced to believe they are, but they aren’t
me (18:41:44)
yes, and i stand by that
https://www.madinamerica.com/2015/04/psychiatric-diagnoses-labels-not-explanations/
Mod (18:41:46)
categorisations which are often applied against a person’s will is different
me (18:41:53)
there are articles published on it
by licensed psychologists
since that’s something that is valid for you
Mod (18:42:08)
as I said, you are not a medical professional, and your views are dangerous for our chatters, so you’re being banned.
Please do not return in 48 hours, ty.
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I’ve been banned from forums for being a medical professional, for “being too honest”, for using the name “nursey”, which they said implied that I was an expert….and the most recent one, for quoting Robert Whitaker.
However, sometimes getting banned turned out well. I was once told I was scum and to go ask Veterans why. Back then Veterans were trying to prove the instrument used to vaccinate them gave them hepatitis C and I was a hepatitis C speaker, so that made me scum, you see.
So I dumped the speaker role and joined Veterans.
I would have told the moderator that back in the 80’s psych professionals didn’t give their patients a “borderline” diagnosis because they believed it was impervious to treatment and didn’t want them having a meltdown in their office.
They also believed that substance abuse was a personality flaw and denied them a psych diagnosis/treatment until they stopped using.
and that’s who she’s promoting.
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And yes, pills work great for some. There are people who want pills but don’t want labels and files. People who are fine with labels and files but don’t want pills. People who are fine with both. People who want to get the hell away from Psychiatry altogether.
The truth isn’t necessarily in the middle. The truth is probably just individual.
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I don’t think there’s much truth in the “mental health” field AT ALL, in the middle or anywhere else. And that’s the problem. The lack of truth leads to gaslighting people into believing that psychological and emotional problems are medical when most of the time they are social. The result being you have a world where medical doctors recklessly prescribe mind-altering drugs under the guise of correcting “chemical imbalances”, and a shitload of “psychologists” recklessly labeling people with the medicalized garbage contained in psychiatry’s DSM—something that too often acts as a smoke screen for WHAT’S REALLY GOING ON in a person’s life which THEN sets the stage for the psychologist to coerce “patients” into performing surface-level “behavioral methods”—like dogs in obedience school—or, worse yet, giving “clients” the impression that their problems CANNOT BE RESOLVED without the “help” of a “qualified professional”.
Hardly the stuff of truth, in my humble opinion.
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Dear Registeredforthissite,
In the field of psychiatry, it is important to recognise that all ‘disorders’ lack a biological basis. The drugs prescribed are brain-disabling neurotoxins, and the files kept by ‘mental health’ quasi-scientists are nonsensical, subjective and used to stigmatize and control innocent individuals. The “truth” in this instance is not unique to any one person; rather, it reflects a divide between those who are educated and those who remain uninformed or misled.
Kind regards,
Cat
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@Cat:
The stuff that you have written and the way you have written it will not be taken seriously by anyone and will simply weaken any criticism of psychiatry graduates and what they do. People hardly get justice from them, this just makes it even easier for them to invalidate you.
“Lack biological basis” –> “Here is a systematic review showing brain differences in ‘schizophrenia'”.
“Stigmatise and control innocents”–>”Here is a guy who threatened to kill his family”
“Neurotoxins and brain disabling”–> The above commenter Mbs finds SSRIs helpful and increases his functionality.
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Dear Registeredforthissite,
I would like to clarify that my previous statement was directed specifically at you, rather than at “psychiatry graduates”, which is why I addressed my observations directly to you.
Thank you for the personal criticism: “The stuff that you have written and the way you have written it will not be taken seriously by anyone” (Registeredforthissite, 2025). It seems that someone took my comments “seriously” enough to critique them and “invalidate” me—namely, you!
The insights I shared are rooted in the critiques of several prominent figures in the field, including Thomas Szasz, Bonnie Burstow, Peter Breggin, Gary Greenberg, Loren Mosher, Robert Whitaker, Peter Gotzsche, and Joanna Moncrieff, among others.
It’s important to note that you did not provide links to the references you cited, which were quite limited and pathetic. The endorsement of a theory by a single study or individual doesn’t validate it as a fact.
In response to your allegations:
1) Currently, there are no biological tests or imaging techniques that can definitively identify any form of ‘mental illness’ (CEPUK, 2025; Burstow, B., 2016; Szasz, T., 1961). According to Daniel Regier, psychiatrist and co-author of the DSM-5 (APA, 2013), diagnostic criteria “are intended to be scientific hypotheses, rather than inerrant Biblical Scripture” ( Greenberg, G. 2013, The Book of Woe: The DSM and the Unmaking of Psychiatry, p. 125). Additionally, psychiatric drugs, particularly tranquillisers known as ‘antipsychotics’ cause brain atrophy, which accounts for what you refer to as “brain differences in schizophrenia” (Moncrieff, J. 2013, Whitaker, R. 2010).
2) Homicide is classified as a criminal offence and exists independently of any psychiatric considerations. How does your reference allude to the stigmatization and control of innocent people? Notably, psychiatric drugs such as amphetamines and benzodiazepines have been directly associated with homicide, homicidal ideation, and physical violence (CCHR., 2018).
3) You mentioned one commenter who seems to endorse the brain-altering effects of their prescribed neuroleptic drugs. Have you had a chance to explore any literature on psychiatric treatments? Research has demonstrated that psychiatric drugs are neurotoxic and cause brain damage (Moncrieff, J. 2013, & Breggin, P., 2010). Furthermore, numerous studies have shown that “Prozac (fluoxetine) is most commonly associated with aggression, increasing violent behaviour by 10.9 times. Paxil (paroxetine), Luvox (fluvoxamine), Effexor (venlafaxine), and Pristiq (desvenlafaxine) are linked to violence at rates of 10.3, 8.4, 8.3, and 7.9 times, respectively” (https://www.livescience.com/32934-do-antidepressants-increase-violent-behavior-111102html.html). In 2004, the FDA issued a warning regarding the rise in depression, hostility, and suicide among individuals taking ‘antidepressants’ (https://industrydocuments.ucsf.edu/drug/docs/#id=znbn0225).
Perhaps you could consider engaging with multiple academic references and Peter Breggin’s “Toxic Psychiatry” before relying on hearsay as fact and abusing me online.
Kind regards,
Cat
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Doesn’t matter. I could provide links to all of it, write a comment which makes it look like an academic piece and it wouldn’t make a difference. You can go to the Debunking Denialism website, go to the sections on Psychiatry, read the articles and comments and see the responses to all the kinds of criticisms you have shared.
I’ve done this stuff for years so I feel weary. I know the kind of arguments people put forward on either side and it’s just a waste of time to me at this point.
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“The truth is individual.” I like that way of seeing it!
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“The truth is individual” isn’t good enough when most doctors and psychologists NEGLECT TO INFORM their “patients” that psychiatric “disorders” ARE NOT BIOLOGICALLY VERIFIABLE and then NEGLECT TO INFORM that the “medications” meant to “treat” them DO NOT CORRECT CHEMICAL IMBALANCES but instead ARE ONLY ANESTHETICS, and can be DANGEROUS ones at that.
In other words, “patients” are rarely given something called INFORMED CONSENT!!!
P.S. I guarantee you’d see things differently if things hadn’t worked out well for you.
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@Mbs:
I’ll tell you this. I don’t know what your age is and how much of Psychiatry you have experienced. You probably experienced this:
i.) Feeling depressed
ii.) Being categorised with Major Depressive Disorder (or whatever else they categorised you with)
iii.) Being given SSRIs
iv.) Experiencing improvement
This is a very straight-forward mild path. Hence, you see things the way you do. There are complications that occur, medically, socially, legally, that you probably have absolutely no idea about. And you may never experience those depending on your individual circumstances. But if you do in the future, you’ll see things very differently. You will understand the “extreme” things people write and why they write them.
There are many people who do not have much experience with the deeper end of this profession who consider Mad in America to be an affront to them. “How dare they criticise Psychiatry?! I could not concentrate for 10 years and my psychiatrist correctly “diagnosed” me with ADHD and gave me Ritalin and I’m able to perform like never before! We should get people who have benefitted from Psychiatry to debunk these anti-psychiatry idiots!”. Again, a short-sighted view due to their immediate improvement after a prolonged phase of suffering. Psychiatry graduates and supporters of this profession use this to their advantage.
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Sometimes I wonder how to convey some of the absolute horrors related to Psychiatry to people like Mbs who have much more straightforward paths through it: how people use it against others, how they exploit others using it, how side effects of drugs are labelled as new and even more serious mental illnesses, how psychiatric terms are used as slurs, how it destroys reputations, can result in lost jobs, people having to move states to escape their past with psychiatry etc. People just don’t get it till it happens to them.
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It’s entirely possible that a lot of the people who “improve” on psych drugs are experiencing something called “spellbinding”, an effect similar to what happens after drinking alcohol. In other words, they don’t realize their ability to perceive clearly and make sound decisions has been tampered with via the alcohol.
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That happens in specific cases. In other cases, when the right pills are properly taken at the right doses for the right reasons, it actually improves perception.
There are many many things which happen as a result of psych drugs. It has to be assessed on a case by case basis.
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That’s not the situation by a long shot because the reality is NO DOCTOR HAS ANY WAY OF KNOWING what the “right” pills, are much less what the “right” dose is! Therefore, no one in their right mind can deny that psychiatric prescribing is anything more than a CRAP SHOOT—and a dangerous one at that. No more, no less.
The only thing that anyone can say for sure is that meaningful informed consent has to be implemented to prevent as much harm as possible.
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Dear registeredforthissite,
In response to your above comment directed to me, you allege that you’ve “done this stuff for years so (you) feel weary. (You) know the kind of arguments people put forward on either side and it’s just a waste of time to (you) at this point.” Yet, you continue to regularly post on MIA, and your writing is contradictory.
Previously, you alleged that you were banned from a ‘mental health’ chatroom for stating: “I don’t care how many times they call psych categorisations as diagnoses. they aren’t. we’ve been forced to believe they are, but they aren’t” and lament how you find “it sad how people view their lives through the prism of such terms instead of just seeing it for what their individual lives are as they are” (registeredforthissite., 3rd June 2025). Then, in paradox, one day later, you share one study claiming that people with ‘schizophrenia’ have “brain differences” (Registeredforthissite., 4th June 2025). Two days pass and you “wonder how to convey some of the absolute horrors related to Psychiatry” (Registeredforthissite., 6th June, 2025). Your comments clearly alternate between different conflicting ideologies.
I researched the Debunking Denialism website you recommended, read the articles and comments about psychiatry, and saw the “responses to all the kinds of criticisms (I) have shared.” I came across these unsupported statements that argued: “Anti-psychiatry activists who are creationists blame the patient for causing his or her own condition by inviting satanic powers into their lives”, “The anti-psychiatry movement resembles the anti-vaccine movement and HIV/AIDS denialism” and “anti-psychiatry is a pseudoscience” (https://debunkingdenialism.com). None of these contentions were supported by research.
You allege that you can “provide links to all of (the evidence and) write a comment which makes it look like an academic piece”, yet your writing demonstrates no evidence of this assertion and is paradoxical.
Kind regards,
Cat
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Long article on “depression.”
But there has been a rift between Psychiatry and Psychology for a long time, particularly since Psychiatry abandoned psychoanalysis.
And so this PhD psychologist pushes “Behavior Therapy.” But he earlier quoted a researcher as asserting that depression tends to “resolve” (go away) of its own accord, without any intervention.
Hopefully two things will happen to help repair this mess:
1) We’ll stop labeling people who are momentarily very unhappy – or even chronically so – as “having depression.”
2) A more workable understanding of the mind (such as the one Hubbard advanced in 1950) will become better known and people will begin to know what we are really dealing with.
Currently, Psychology does not know what we are dealing with. And of course Psychiatry doesn’t know (and doesn’t want to know). That is the main challenge I see ahead.
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Nice work. But here’s my issue:
Just like psychiatry, psychology folks often put way too much faith in its “behavioral methods”. Their so-called “behavioral research”—which, let’s be real, includes a fair amount of animal torture—misses a key point: humans have always found ways to deal with distress, long before professionals showed up to dictate “treatment”. Spiritual rituals, deep conversations with trusted confidants, and artistic expression—people have been managing emotional struggles for centuries without external “intervention” from emotionally dissociated “experts”, usually armed with their own agendas based on their own particular brand of psychological—and more often personal—misinterpretations.
Additionally, the following statement, while true, is both revealing and troubling:
“The value and generality of behavioral psychology’s research findings has been amply substantiated by the ubiquitous application of this research for other purposes related to controlling human behavior.”
Translation: Clinical psychology is just as misguided as psychiatry. Instead of helping people actually understand themselves and their world, both fields seem more invested in manipulating vulnerable clients into accepting the status quo—which, surprise, surprise, conveniently maintains the unearned authority of blowhards in these “professions”.
IMHO.
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CLARIFICATION:
“Spiritual rituals, deep conversations with trusted confidants, and artistic expression—people have been managing emotional struggles for centuries without external “intervention” from emotionally dissociated “experts”, many of whom these days are out to make a name for themselves in whatever symbiotically engineered echo chamber they’re attracted to, typically armed with their own brand of psychologically rigid—and very often personal—misinterpretations that very often lead to more division and dissention in an already fractured society.
But here’s the good news: Slowly but surely, more and more people are finally taking a long, hard look at how they’re being played by a certain body of individuals more interested in flexing power where it doesn’t belong through the dissemination of toxic theories, labels and drugs under the guise of “therapy”—all of which work together (not incidentally, mind you) to enhance their “professional” and public reputation, status and bank accounts.
IMHO.
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— often much to the detriment of their FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS, most of whom are trying their level best to live a life with at least a modicum of dignity — a dignity up for grabs for power-hungry “professionals”, most of whom are all too ready to continue poisoning the zeitgeist with damaging labels in order to “treat” the vulnerable, and (ultimately), TAKE TO THE BANK.
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“Scientific data tell us that whereas physical illnesses have physical causation and should be treated medically, depression (and other commonly occurring mental disorders) is different. An abundance of scientific evidence tells us that depression is of psychological origin and that it should be treated psychologically by behavior therapy, not medically by antidepressant drugs.”
Great article. Thanks.. I agree with that last emphatic statement above. Also, if you allow me too, I would like to add something.
All psychological problems (mental disorders/mental illnesses), including depression, are related to the person’s own soul. Mental problems are something related to the soul. They are not related to the brain. They are not a physical problem.
You can’t fix something that doesn’t exist in the brain with physical treatments (psychiatric drugs and so-called physical treatments like ECT). They’re not fixing it anyway. On the contrary, they cause psychological problems to become worse. Also.. They cripple (injure) and even kill people, both physically and mentally. These have been proven.
What needs to be known is this; “The human soul is an emotional being. However, the human body (including the brain) is not an emotional being.”
The distinction between these two is very important. Throughout human history, humanity has had the false impression that the human being itself (i.e. the human body) is an emotional being.
For this reason, they have tried to treat all kinds of psychological problems (mental illnesses) with physical treatments. However, they have never been successful. In other words, they have not been able to treat mental illnesses.
The “spirituality” measure that came later with religions has revealed that all kinds of psychological problems originate from the person’s own soul. And this has revealed that the condition for treating psychological problems is that the person depends on the treatment of his own soul.
In other words… If the psychological problems that exist in a person are to be treated, the only thing that needs to be done is to treat the person’s own soul. If you treat the person’s own soul, you will also treat the psychological problems (mental illnesses) in the person.
The treatment of one’s own soul can only be done through spiritual rituals. These spiritual rituals include the spiritual correction of human behavior. These spiritual rituals, also called behavioral therapies, have been successfully implemented throughout human history and have made great contributions to solving (treating) all kinds of psychological problems in humans. It has been revealed that people who do not engage in spiritual rituals (i.e. do not have non-drug treatment methods that include behavioral therapies) have tried to treat their psychological problems with various physical treatments (such as drugs, chemicals, and today psychiatric drugs, ECT) but have not been successful in this.
In summary… All kinds of psychological problems (mental illnesses) are completely related to the person’s own soul. And these cannot be treated or fixed with physical treatments such as psychiatric drugs and ECT. The solution to all kinds of psychological problems is in spiritual rituals – that is, in spiritual treatments such as human behavioral therapies.
The rule is this; “If you treat a person’s own soul, you will automatically treat all kinds of psychological problems that a person has.”
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This is what psychiatry does not understand (more precisely rather does not want to understand). Psychiatry has never been able to treat or correct mental illnesses because it has a Darwinism approach.
The Darwinism approach uses the human body as a basic tool. It have a psychotic approach that foresees the correction of the human brain with chemicals. At least, this is the case for the ‘psychoticized mainstream psychiatrists’ who support Darwinism.
Results… The Darwinism approach to treating mental illness (in psychiatry) has led to mental illness getting worse.
Probably… Every year (the exact number is not known), it has caused tens/hundreds of millions of people to die and be disabled (injured); (And it is causing this every year.) At least… more than 1 million people are harmed, killed and maimed every year.
So, say this… Probably… The Darwinism approach in psychiatry causes the deaths and injuries of at least more than 1 million people every year.
In fact, this is a GENOCIDE. “THE GENOCIDE OF PSYCHIATRY.” A genocide that has not yet been named..
The thing to wonder is; When will states, governments, media and societies see this painful and sad reality (the genocide of psychiatry)?
How many more millions of innocent people will be killed and disabled by psychiatry (due to psychiatric treatments) every year? When will mainstream medicine see this painful truth? Best regards…
With my best wishes… Have a nice weekend… Y.E. 🙂 (Researcher blog writer (Blogger))
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What to say…
well recently on this forum we had a practitioner advocating for “psychodynamic therapy”, and failing to supply the evidence of its helpfulness in the treatment of our dysfunctions.Now we are told that our behaviors are maladapted responses to adverse environments, which can be unlearned.And of course we require an omniscient psychologist to analyse the situation and lead us out of dysfunctionality into a well-adjusted appropriate condition.But once again the evidence for this is absent.In the U.K. there have been efforts with Cognitive and Behavioral approaches and not much success, although professional psychologists have been maintained in their customary manner, no doubt.
People in emotional distress require moral and material support to help them work through things.
We do not need to be told that we’re dysfunctional by representatives of a would be technical upper-caste.
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“People in emotional distress require moral and material support to help them work through things.”
Hard yes.
“We do not need to be told that we’re dysfunctional by representatives of a would be technical upper-caste.”
Another hard yes.
“And of course we require an omniscient psychologist to analyse the situation and lead us out of dysfunctionality into a well-adjusted appropriate condition.”
OVER MY DEAD BODY.
Thank you. So good knowing someone else speaks my language.
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“What to say…”
Well, how about this: life is really about learning self-trust and living authentically than about pledging allegiance to ancient myths steeped in rigid dogmas or, worse yet, to a “mental health system” that masquerades as science, a science more grounded in politics than honestly questioning its own rigid assumptions, when it ought to be about offering moral support and helping hands more interested in giving than taking.
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“What to say…well recently on this forum we had a practitioner advocating for “psychodynamic therapy”, and failing to supply the evidence of its helpfulness in the treatment of our dysfunctions. Now we are told that our behaviors are maladapted responses to adverse environments, which can be unlearned.”
I noticed the same thing. The author seems to regard psychology’s behavioral research and “treatment methods” almost as uncritically as the medical establishment does for its antidepressants—as well as for all of its other so-called “psychiatric medications”.
But here’s a thought: the similarities among establishment psychiatry, psychology and religion are glaringly apparent, but only if you are willing to step away far enough emotionally and intellectually seriously question the dogmas deeply embedded within each one.
The truth is establishment psychiatry, psychology and religion all demand a level of acceptance intolerant of well-reasoned disagreement, a situation that reminds me of why I walked away from all three of these amorphously reified intuitions—all became places where it was no longer possible to keep talking myself into accepting dogmas engulfed in shadows and a willfully unprocessed sadness.
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CORRECTION: “amorphously reified institutions”
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The world DOES NOT NEED “practitioners” who are ultimately more beholden to insurance and pharmaceutical companies than to the people they claim to be psychologically “healing”—especially when in reality what they are really doing is creating and maintaining a class of human beings permanently dependent, both psychologically and physically, on their so-called “services”.
IMHO.
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Morning Birdsong and greetings from Scotland,
Thanks for your acknowledgement.
I’m mulling it all over.
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Thank you, Jim Paterson. I wish more people would mull it all over too instead of automatically buying into whatever the “experts in mental health” want them to believe.
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Jim, I think a lot of people’s confusion comes from the sad reality that most psych professionals believe uncritically in psychiatry’s Diagnostic and Statistical Manuel of Mental Disorders or “DSM”—something I now refer to as The Bigotry Bible. Most psych professionals point to it with pride—and some really go to town with it in more ways than one (books, videos, podcasts, etc.).
I think it’s pretty disgusting the way establishment psychiatry and psychology keep morphing more and more into making mincemeat of the human soul, especially when you realize the only thing most people really need is someone to talk to, someone who knows how to listen without labeling—and without charging a fee!!!
I swear to God hearing just one professional (p)sycophant preach/drone on and on in their precious psych-lingo online makes me wonder which way is up, too.
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Jim, the reason I call the “DSM” The Bigotry Bible or The Bigotry Book is because it presents itself as being an authoritative, scientific guide when in reality, it is influenced/shaped/constructed by political, social, and personal prejudice, cultural favoritism, shifting definitions, and even financial influences. Therefore, it is NOT the purely objective scientific resource it claims to be simply because ALL of its so-called “disorders” are VOTED INTO EXISTENCE by psychiatrists (of course!), many of whom have or have had ties to the pharmaceutical industry ($$$).
Simply put, the DSM is not objective because it only reflects opinions, trends, and, worst of all, systemic biases. In short, it is bigoted.
A brief definition of bigotry: “an intolerance toward those who hold different opinions or beliefs. It often involves prejudice, discrimination, a stubborn refusal to accept differing perspectives without considering other viewpoints and can appear subtly within a culture and institutional policies”.
All of which have lead to the following:
1) the over-diagnosing of normal emotions,
2) the promotion of sigma
3) the reinforcement of cultural biases
and most disturbing,
4) deep seated identity struggles not easily corrected
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CORRECTION: 2) the promotion of STIGMA
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Hello Birdsong. Regarding the DSM that you so condescendingly, unprofessionally and disrespectfully refer to as “The Bigotry Bible,” I’m planning on buying the most recent edition for personal use and fact checking. There’s a large, self service, five floor, multi-department, independent bookstore here in Cleveland.
Due to the controversial nature of all editions of the DSM, and because this bookstore has multiple departments and is one of the largest self service bookstores in the Midwest, in your humble opinion, so I don’t waste my time or spin my wheels going from department to department, will I find a current copy of the DSM in the Fiction or Non-Fiction, Sales or Science, Medical or Pseudo-Medical, Entertainment/Occult/Spells/Zodiac, Anachronisms or Conspiracy Theory, False Narratives, Reality Distortion Fields, Brainwashing, Gaslighting, or Spin, Scams and Snake Oil department?
Hell with it! I think I’ll just buy an Anthology of Erotic Poetry.
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POSTING AS MODERATOR: I am approving the above on the assumption that the comments re: Birdsong are intended as sarcasm.
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🙂
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Eric Maisel, in one of his books called the DSM “a fraudulent and illegitimate
document.” FAKE and COUNTERFEIT are synonyms. Regardless of which of these words one uses to describe the DSM they all imply CRIMINAL OFFENSES.
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Jim, if you’re in the mood to explore the subject of this blog in more detail, I suggest you listen to the following video as it might go a long way towards clarifying any residual confusion you may still be experiencing regarding the medicalized maze of so-called “mental health” and the role of “anti-depressants”.
“This Psychiatrist Says Chemical Imbalance is a LIE”, an interview with Dr. Joanna Moncrieff from Dr. Josef’s Witt-Doerring’s vast video series on YouTube.
I hope you watch it and share it with all your friends and family.
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Dear Allan,
The mind does not exist, and cannot be studied. As Szasz argues, “Psychotherapy is a private, confidential conversation that has nothing to do with illness, medicine, or healing.” Where is the “abundance of scientific evidence (that) tells us that depression is of psychological origin and that it should be treated psychologically by behaviour therapy”?
Kind regards,
Cat
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Here’s a link-
https://www.criticalthinking.org/critical-thinking-therapy-toolbox-book
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Sorry for posting this here but I really need answers and hope people will see this and reply. I am familiar with the scientific literature regarding schizophrenia, and it seems to fit my experiences very well (including the neglected non-psychotic symptoms such as anhedonia, poor sense of smell, inability to filter out sensory stimuli, constant difficulty falling asleep and being very easily roused). I’ve struggled with these symptoms since birth and according to the scientific literature they are due to an abnormality in the thalamus (part of brain responsible for sensory processing). Before my psychosis began, and so before I had ever taken antipsychotics, I had searched for the cause of each symptom and when all the symptoms led me to schizophrenia I came to the conclusion that I had “simple schizophrenia” (ie schizophrenia without the psychosis). After my psychosis began I needed an explanation for my extremely strange and disturbing experiences, and schizophrenia certainly provides one. But… I also have another theory that fits pretty well too: being a victim of mind control. How do I know which of these two is true when they both fit my experiences so well? I can’t find anyone who admits I’m a victim of mind control, but here you say schizophrenia doesn’t exist so does that mean you think I’m a victim of mind control?
Btw either way the antipsychotics are ruining my quality of life and health and if the schizophrenia theory is true, then I am stuck in a cycle of rebound psychosis of having my antipsychotic dose increased then lowered again as its ridiculously high and intolerable, but lowering dose triggers rebound psychosis so it’s raised again. Only way to fix this is to stop the “medication” but psychiatrists refuse to respect my human rights and most other people enable them
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Dear Killed by capitalist psychiatry,
I can understand your confusion. What I take issue with is the belief that certain signs/symptoms/sufferings mean someone has a discrete, biologically identifiable ‘mental illness’. The fact is, there are no lab tests to isolate and verify most ‘mental’ conditions. But this doesn’t mean the signs/symptoms/sufferings aren’t real.
If I were you, I’d look online for the Inner Compass Initiative, or The Taper Clinic. Both specialize in helping people taper off psychiatric drugs hyperbolically.
Good Luck to you,
Birdsong
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ANY mental condition, actually, at least if we are looking at the DSM. Not one of them is verifiable by physical testing.
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Thank you, Steve.
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What do you believe is the cause of the signs/symptoms/suffering then? There’s only 3 types of possibilities: biological, psychological, or circumstances. It’s definitely not psychological (although some people with psychological problems may get misdiagnosed with psychosis when they don’t actually have it) and if it’s not biological then that only leaves circumstances. So then, which circumstances are responsible for these strange and disturbing experiences?
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I think I understand why you would ask that question. But maybe it might be more helpful to ask yourself why you think you need a definitive answer.
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Which circumstances are responsible? For me, “Multi-generational Family Dysfunction” set me up to get saddled with a big bunch of unwanted adverse effects. The adverse effects are normal and natural reactions (not diseases, sicknesses, or imply that something is wrong with us) that go with the dysfunctional environment, are par for the course, to be expected, and can even be predicted.
None of us are robots. Other peoples thinking and behavior towards us can have effects on us for better and for worse. The dysfunctional family I grew up in set me up to fall into the cracks of the dysfunctional Mental Health Enterprise back in the Spring of 1989.
I’ll post a song by Melanie titled “Look What They Done To My Song Ma.”
https://youtu.be/r44Ach4mXE4?si=Z9tRrOTGLYDTA-SG
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To killed by psych,
Here’s a song about the importance of Silence: https://youtu.be/M1r-SUPHwN8?si=BJeZJ6l64x6jHBNt
I’ve heard that questions are the engine that drive our thinking. If our questions are superficial, we get superficial answers. Essential questions would be more specific and detailed. Issues are matters that need to be decided upon. The best decisions are well informed decisions. What information do you need and where can you find it-inside you, or externally?
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Yes, The Inner Compass Initiative is a credible source. Also https://www.criticalpsychiatry.co.uk/ The Critical Psychiatry Network.
Please consider suspending judgement for the time being because it’s pretty perplexing what you’re experiencing and your external circumstances, past and present also play a big part too. I had a similar “diagnosis” but what “they” said didn’t match up with what I went through. Notice I said “WENT:” past tense. I’m fully tapered, so no more refill appointments or “character beatings.” I’m a sexual being again, an X-mental patient, and a damaged psych survivor with 1-3 years left to live due to the psych chemicals. There was an article in MIA about psych chemicals being the third leading cause of death in the U$A, Inc. In the MIA menu bar there’s lots of info under the “DRUGS” heading.
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Video/Song: https://youtu.be/WD8G26Q3epM?si=paHMZrzMp2keY7Y0
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Song Lyrics.
https://youtu.be/ouqljb5g1eU?si=eZMuCmxSP3TH0w3E
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Poem. By Joy Harjo
https://youtu.be/ouqljb5g1eU?si=VnYe9QNEytYSLeWm
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Song-The Voice
https://youtu.be/I_TNd5x55qM?si=6tVWSTR-wiCu76EB
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Dear “Killed by capitalist psych”
I’d say you’re “going through something.” Your questioning. My question when I was “going through” whatever was, “Is this a symptom or is this reality?” That’s an appropriate and essential question and definitely qualifies as an “Issue.” Issues are defined as “matters that need to be decided upon.” I addressed the question and decided I didn’t know if what I was experiencing was a symptom or reality. I was honest. I was concerned that I didn’t know. It scared me that I didn’t know. Since I didn’t know, I decided to “let go” of the question for the time being. The fact that I was honest and “let go” brought me some satisfaction, peace of mind, and relaxation. I don’t know what you’ll experience. I was proud of myself that I addressed the issue. I continued to have “experiences” and continued to ask the same question, had the same honest answer and let go. Over time, the time in between “experiences” that I questioned, became longer and longer, and fewer and fewer “experiences” occurred. I also realized that what other people were saying about what I was going through was distracting me from concentrating on focusing on me, my thoughts and my concentration. My thoughts were not delusions. They were metaphors, allegories, symbolism- and I figured them out-I got to the bottom of them, got to the roots. I put my thinking through a fine tooth comb, under a microscope, held my thoughts up to the light of reason. I didn’t have a lifetime disease or disorder. My thoughts were not persecutory. My family, the medical professionals and MH bunch all betrayed me but I was true to myself. I persevered. The duration was trying. I found the trustworthy MIA community and maybe the safest, knowledgeable, and confidential peer support phone line in the whole country at the Wildflower Alliance in Western Massachusetts, and eventually decided to start preparing to slow taper one psych drug at a time. The Inner Compass Initiative/Exchange community was trustworthy.
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For “killed by capitalistic psych:”
https://youtu.be/M1r-SUPHwN8?si=vyu-4iatzXFmzLbe
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For “Killed by capitalistic psych:
https://youtu.be/3hyCS3E8w74?si=caJfmJwGobC4B8N4
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For “Killed by capitalistic psych:”
https://youtu.be/wz8DH5aIj38?si=8SyQzYh5w9LcvVT2
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For the “Lived Experience” Community.
https://youtu.be/k-d7ZIi2hsE?si=a9UBPyZ5a2IF6TAE
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For The People: Flash Mob while stuffing your face…
https://youtu.be/RSgRApOXd9Q?si=pb5S-k6Pi857uau4
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