I think, given the history of psychiatric oppression, and beyond that relying on anything as open for pickling oppressive history (aka DSM); would a woman simply walk into a psychiatric facility, she’s already facing scrutiny whether she’s: “hysterical,” whether she “is unfaithful,” whether she “is not doing her household duties,” whether she…
There’s a shop in town, called “spirit dreams,” and as if I hadn’t heard this before, which I had, how psychiatrists behave, a girl who had gotten out after her friends had put her in, and lied so badly that rewards have been detracted from their work, and if they show up anywhere I would be norming, they’d have to leave; she [my friend listed as dead] tells me: “psychiatrist says if you don’t take this and this and this, you’re not getting out.” the same man comes tugged like he’s being hauled by rope (which he isn’t) out of that “shop” just listed, and tries to convince me I’m not behaving the way I should towards the female workers. Then lies further more, and again I have to go to the police…..MYSELF! It’s not even that I know too much. Or that I’m not myself and having to step in from Heaven in order to save someone’s memory until they are ready, or reincarnate, or we trade places. Thinking how to make it out of having to think about it to much (like when I ran into a deer with a wound same as another of a blood trick-ling; had it was “Johnny Depp” going out to kill a deer and dump it somewhere where it would “shock” people then go tripling of; when the deer inhaled after simply doing what is supposed to not be done, is impossible and stays there, in forever, I got out of there, didn’t realize it could have been much ado about nothing, and my friend being called “an ass” about the same logistics; only it won’t suffice on stage) I almost offered to sell him a fake Renoir they wouldn’t be able to negotiate out of such, being I know that painter myself, and have something of ours, as if he has 4 secs in order to get one or who knows what. Well: TIMES UP!
A woman can’t go into such a facility without extreme nausea already, from the sheer accumulation of distress hanging around any such “resort.” And then they act like prince charming. Probably religious wars, actually. All the virgin and child paintings sculptures and now the stories also have to be about superman, prince charming, Sir Galahad, or Lancelot and mother instead, or such, just to appease the psyches and Hollywood.
You can look this up the two that supposedly killed this guy they made this big movie out of who did that, make the movie, and why should we know his name? Now if you look at the two cases most famous of people abducted or were found to be convenient to use for mind control experiments Bonacci and Gosch just look at the pictures of those two and it’s the same if anybody has eyes. You know the people that the whole time are doing drug running if you don’t believe me what was this case about with Mr North where when the CIA wasn’t getting enough money to wage terrorism in South America that they proved that they were making money selling drugs. If the Senate doesn’t give it enough money they sell drugs they call the war on drugs. If you’re on their side you don’t get busted. What is this called besides terrorism? Does it work for it I’m supposed to know this I suppose. Strategically interests or something? For what? No and all the rest of what’s going on though these two people would know everything about the drug running but now it’s supposed to be makes people fit to be put in the asylum so that they can prove that what something that doesn’t cure what wasn’t there until they put it there although these other drugs… the same and make people more impressionable, that oh okay here we have these two guys that’s supposed to kill somebody and we’re not going to tell you we’re actually using mind control still a bit to act like they did something they never did while they’re working for us the whole time, and let’s make it look like we do actually care about underage kids getting involved in such business, and why would that be? Because that’s a big part of the mind control that both of those two had suffered through so I mean that’s a big question why, after all the drug running and if you’re impressionable enough you don’t end up in the asylum right? But somebody who’s not impressionable enough and they might actually lift the wool such have put over others eyes do they ever find a place to heal then oh they’re supposed to go into the asylum. What’s next? Stealing cookies out of the cookie jar you end up in jail? If that doesn’t work ADHD medications or stronger? Then how do you get them in jail if they’re not showing signs of being impressionable enough? Should it be at the local supermarket where they put the stuff you really need so far away in the corner that you have to bypass all the means of distracting you with colors that don’t even look like anything but what’s been stolen for somebody else’s and sprayed on to scramble your neurons with a nice lights to have that already do the same. If you’re actually still buying healthy stuff too much and don’t get distracted and doesn’t add up to what it’s supposed to end up then then what? Or is it the commodity of what’s considered I don’t even know. Like me sitting in a coffee house with Brad Pitt and the sole of the tabloids he’s dating her when he wants to have sex with you and he doesn’t know whether she’s mad about it it doesn’t even have to name her name and if you don’t know who she is then again you know the pressure building off and you might end up in jail. Or the asylum. I don’t even know what that’s called there’s a word for it and who made this movie and ready to get his degree? Where did you get it from?
Auto detect seems to find poetry with pushers and Portuguese, either that or there’s a ghost listening SO intently fascinated with what kind of stuff comes out of my mouth considered by him poetry, making some sense in non scalar wave pattern harmony, something which otherwise usually is called “interferences,” that time complies.
What I thought would be detected was me saying: “Why don’t they just put the psychiatrists in jail with the rest of the pushers?” But then in Portugal so much that in other places is illegal isn’t, and their drug problem plummeted? Now, I don’t know whether such of psychiatric drugs didn’t, which it actually didn’t. It went up. It didn’t plummet. THAT problem did NOT plummet. So maybe just put the psychiatrists in jail. You know, like this: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3r4zrg35vlo WAIT NO! That’s like this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bryan_Kocis Where one of the two said to be put in jail was actually Paul Bonacci, who they forced Brent Corrigan to record and then supposedly such proved he was accomplice to what never happened, and was akin to a Hollywood movie doing nothing but steering people into ideology others profit from without profiting but with money, which isn’t profiting. You see, somehow they “convinced” Brent Corrigan he had to do that. NOW!? What do they get out of that. Then there’s a movie, thanks to “Hollywood” and of course a disney actor who isn’t out till afterwards. And Brent is right in not approving of the movie. https://www.attitude.co.uk/culture/film-tv/brent-corrigan-accuses-james-francos-king-cobra-of-showing-contempt-for-gay-culture-290368/#:~:text=3%20October%202016-,Brent%20Corrigan%20accuses%20James%20Franco's%20King,showing%20'contempt'%20for%20gay%20culture&text=By%20now%20it's%20no%20secret,producer%2C%20the%20late%20Bryan%20Kocis. The day AFTER they were supposed to be put in jail, or who knows how many of too few, he was in the same coffee house everyone goes to here, having went up, and I drew a picture I no longer have but for looking, asking him whether he wanted it, to find I stated it’s better I keep it. Well it’s hear somehow [here here], and no he wasn’t Kerekes, it was the other. It’s also a major element of satanism to have something done, then tell the “initiate” that they did it. HOW that turns into THIS MESS!? Oh and Paul Bonacci had multiple personalities “they” said they were helping him integrate. I know better. I LOVE Paul Bonacci, and he was EXTREMELY frustrated, after building himself up to have such a healthy body that he couldn’t just be friendly with me, and that WAS because of these “psychiatrists” and “priests” and the rest of such pumping him up that the VERY system promoting trauma (and YES also with psychiatric drugs mislabeled as medications), that THAT system wasn’t doing what it’s been doing the whole time, and investing in the VERY SAME ideology that caused all of it. Well, Paul knows better by now. THAT I know.
And what is this about committing drug addicts? Who are they supposed to help put in jail to make people think it’s working, when it’s another false ad!?
Would you really have understood what the author meant, you would have needed permission from the author to state that, after having discussed or interacted with the author about it. Not only is that the way to go that is the only way it can be done to state that you understand what’s going on. And according to your statement you would have had to also state why you wanted to know whether you understood what was going on while asking permission to share your understanding. Have you done this?
Why don’t they just put the psychiatrist in jail with the rest of the portugues? I mean pushers? Okay we should all go to Portugal and then what are we supposed to put in jail?
I understand giving a gift and not asking for something. But I don’t get asking for something and not giving a gift so much I guess. I guess it depends on what you’re asking for. If you were asking for the ability to give something then yeah or not?
Shock therapy isn’t “therapy” it’s the same as the other “medical” therapies at large called psychiatric interventions, it’s for the “doctor” or the “medical institution,” it’s to bully the patient into submission. What’s sad is when a person believes there’s something wrong with them do they not adhere to “whatever” the “doctor”or the “medical establishment” or the “society” would try to imprison them into because they worship fear and trauma.
I ran into someone who I found had herself put into an asylum, given shock therapy, and this was only because… because of what? As a child she at one pointed started talking a lot, and the parents didn’t like it, she was put on drugs that caused her to gain weight (her father then chased her around with a belt blaming it on her), she was in a school at the asylum, and would fall asleep because of the meds, where upon the doctors told her father to punish her, she knew all of this, shared it with me…. Knew all sorts of stuff, how when they supposedly emptied the asylums (because SSI was started, and they found out that so many of the people, which is what they said as if anyone belongs in such a place, that they weren’t “crazy” they just had lost sight of how to be in society having been in an asylum so long; and one could have anyone committed for 500 dollars back then), and when they let so many people out of the asylums they had just come up with their lies regarding chemical imbalances so touted this as the “miracle” cure. She with others, one guy whose father was somehow head of who knows what in the system, we sat at a restaurant and they told me all of this and more. But then, only because she had been talking about getting married with a guy, and he told her father, and her father was the guy that already had done what he did in the past when she only needed someone to talk to, so she put herself in the asylum for shock “therapy.”
And it I go on about this one person, what all happens at other levels when she has no one to talk to, including bigotry against homosexuality as if its compassion, well, lets just not get into that. But I wrote about her here https://oelte.wordpress.com/2013/01/ But she had to learn not to try to harness what isn’t there for such to her ideas of what should be there for her. Pythagorus had refused to compromise his following for such means, and she had the whole school building with all of the followers in it burned. The same she thought shock therapy would…….
Last I saw her, she was staying with her mother, who I think got a divorce, and had someone to talk to.
When I went to visit her in the asylum, there was guy standing there I’d talked to. I asked him what he was doing there, and he had no idea anymore, was so doped up. I told him to just do as he was told and he’d get out. Then I heard from the girl I went to visit and another that the doctors couldn’t figure out whether he thought he was female, or just thought he was pregnant, so he’d been in there for a month. 1,000 dollars a day for these aces to…… The hospital that sent him there, because he went in saying he was pregnant, I’d called them a few years ago, rather bored with chatting online at a gay site, wanted to do something crazy and asked them whether they had pregnancy tests for males. I was told no, by someone sounding so mundane, I later thought I might have informed her it was a serious question rather than auditions for Pagliacci.
He got out, I met him at a park and started feeding the seagulls by throwing pellets of bread in the air. Found a discarded loaf along a place where I later teleported to the other side of a building, having let go of fear to just do something good rather than even would I have done the “same” thing I would have out of fear of “consequences.” The loaf I kept, and made pellets out of for just whatever moment, which arrived, and at another portal location I fed or rather played with a whole flock of seagulls that caught each pellet one by one, never fighting about it whatsoever. The lion called Elsa whose life was depicted in Born Free, the movie, she popped out of nowhere there once, before this; another time a few years later, when I was in the habit of other crazy stuff (I made a joke about Mother Theresa having her way with me that I won’t get into); when repeating this bad joke, I stepped through a block of wet cement without it leaving any residue, so she did have her way with me, and helped in other ways. That’s several outlet locations: a big retail store, the other where a mall and other outlets are.
There’s another such location where I guess a cat popped out nowhere, also. I had read of a cat being offered for I think 26 or 35 thousand. A cat that was a mix of different breeds including wild ones. You could get the cat, and then have someone in your place for a week teaching you how to take care of your cat. The ad didn’t say (as bad jokes go): Get a pure bred pussy with pedigree plus someone for a week teaching you how to take care of it. The one that popped out of nowhere, pouncing around like Djokovic the tennis player, that was just in the reeds among some water outside of an even bigger mall. Either it was an angel among us, or someone let their……
Healing happens, you just have to pay attention to life, it isn’t sane.
I thought my friend Boyd, Josquin’s beautiful son was working there. Maybe his cousin who died of AIDS they would say was the one that came fluttering in like a maple seed twirling in the wind, or maybe it was Pegasus to pick up Jesus, from that kingdom. Maybe it was Jesus maybe his cousin didn’t die. Maybe Josquin’s son didn’t even have Aids although the hospital said so, maybe he had taken Pegasus and flown into a meeting with the gods and having been Friday Kahlo got them so confused that when they were finished banging their heads together about him they were all unconscious and bullets and rules were suspended. Maybe because he was little mischief when his father said it would be funny if he grabbed the goblet of Jesus blood during mass and gulped it all down that then such an ejaculation into his mind cleared out whatever the hospital was going on about or caused. Maybe because he was Jesus’ father’s grandfather when Jesus was Menasseh that he was there and it was his little spring of hair curled up in a prayer doll container after I put the dolls in a resort and made little new ones from plastic and twisty ties? I couldn’t tell the difference once already and I had to go to the other side so my left eye was closer to his right. Then Frida kahlo’s mother convinced me she was his father but younger than him, which kind of strange because we’re both older than I thought she was although I thought she was his father, and he’s only two years younger and I’m his father? Stuff does get mundane of course and then both Frida’s parents showed up at a store where they were carrying a child that was suspiciously completely not Latino. Then I realized that was the child that the girl’s sister who the boy was trying to abduct back into you know where had because of her father who then I was told killed the child with a knife just in case they thought they could get out of the cult was none of them are in anymore, which I haven’t told you because it’s in the next few sentences. Then I ran into Jesus thinking he was this poor boy that fell in love with me, was supposed to abduct his sister back into a satanic cult and instead said: “I’ll just sit on the hood,” time will pass but love never fails. So that’s all healing or healed, and Jesus got a chance to talk to and be with the father he never had on the Earth but once. And the first was not one too many! But for Christ’s sake who is going to pay for the bananas!? I mean really like they grow on trees or something!? Don’t you know that [they] come from outer space? Go to any supermarket and there they are down from on high…. I mean people talk about banana republics but those people aren’t civilized they don’t even have enough money for psychiatric drugs, let alone shock therapy!
I wonder how someone can heal after such. I have an anecdotal story, anecdotal but not hearsay.
There are other forms of electricity, such as the spaceship that according to the Catholics trying to shut down the real people’s knowledge, and even the real appearance of what was called Mother Mary (and further more, well I forget further more). The other form is like water off of a Duck’s back, or why when you’re swimming the water doesn’t hit you back like a rubber band would. It rides on the non scalar part of the waves that even present “science” will tell one move at a speed where time has stopped.
My friend Josef Hassid had shock therapy, you can look it up in Wikipedia which STILL might list that the effects of it were signs of “schizophrenia.” That he couldn’t recognize his friends. Since he’s where he is, I noticed that resonance with lightning caused at one point extra credit on a digital bin. Also there’s math involved where negentropy allows changing from positive to negative. And so I noticed from buying what I bought (bananas) which actually then was all they had somewhere, this occurring. More recently I was talking with a lady from Vienna, who I had followed then, because I could, and noticed she worked as a maid for Constanze’s (Who became fortunately Constanze Nissen after being “Mozart”), her husband or to be when not being yet. He wouldn’t allow her to see the records he was keeping, and all she was was curious. I encountered him again as a stupid judge, STILL keeping records that end up in a book that does little good, this regarding the city’s history. Anyhow. Talking to this nice maid, who was dressed as such: open shirt, no frills, just black and white, changing to these times, I was acting as if a creature the same size as the one said to be a Marian apparition (about the height of a youngster before the last grow spurt, bald, no body hair), although I was just acting as if the bananas in the bag I had put down on the other side of the counter where she couldn’t see them, that this was whoever or whatever was there. Then I just left, after whatever interaction officially was finished, and noticing the bananas weren’t with me, found they had left this dimension. [follows investigation] Recently, digital credit allotted me for healthy stuff, which is digital on a card, the card showed up on the computer as having paid for bananas again, but not online at all.
Well, I see now what’s going on. The store, and “whoever” is running things, regarding people I have to go to the police about regarding CITY WIDE slander, from “Meijer” corporation. It was delayed a day. Would it show up on my tally online. And this same month the stuff that should have been registering as covered, was, for me to find it wasn’t. [investigation finished, will be part of police report] Regardless.
Happens. Even with what’s now made out to be electricity. Jesus showed up from the free energy, just when lines were lined up to blow down here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Fire which of course ALSO isn’t mentioned in wikipedia. Nor that God is so playful that when you act like the neighbor’s horse left something behind, to be able to stomp into wherever you want to share baked goods resembling such, slam it down in “disgust” as if their horse left it there, and leave what one isn’t allowed to share in “communism,” that just mentioning “the horse,” you can perhaps get the “authorities” to think you aren’t sharing something but trying to maintain “order.” I had such an act going on, ready for the transfer, and Jesus having wanted to know regarding the same location how his brother was doing (from another time, and his brother is Shakespeare), and the line “My Kingdom for a Horse,” ….. So here we go……(did I spell their correctly!?) I never have seen someone so happy, so happy thought the curl of hair I have from him was first, after spending time with anyone one is allowed to and getting married to him, I thought it was his beard or lower. But no, it was from his childhood. But that’s how I recognized him. Thought it was his great grandfather from the brother he referred to. I thought “so and so” is working there…… but no, he had the same hair. Recently, because of a shirt I bought for him, that is a clean as Heaven, he’s quietly showing up, having outgrown the shirt, maintaining the same fashion. And I got to talk with his mother regarding how beautiful we both find him now.
OK!?
Don’t worry about the Horse. The neighbors feed it so badly that it takes hours for it to expel what’s left from the digestion: literally hours! And by the time such poor toxic compressed remains comes pelting out, before it even hits the ground having been expelled, the jet power emitted has lifted the Horse so high into the ozone layer that it must have had wings to get there…..
Some people call that “thrust” or talk about “the big bang,” but no: wings are wings.
What I’m saying is you can’t even go down division without one of these characters going up.Giving anybody a gift that’s not wanted is inappropriate. A real gift is something other person wants it’s just this therapist want the girl to find somebody else we should parody happen for healing. But then they don’t have that matrix to say here somebody that would help. It’s just bad insurance it’s like now everybody’s supposed to buy life insurance because they’re selling it I noticed although it’s not, well I wouldn’t know it was on the television all the time a while back when I was watching. They buy it you get paid something and then they get it when you die. People pay for other people’s life insurance that they give another person dies. Before that it was, just like my ass, contango! The futures for spring weet [k] with the future is gone above what was listed so the farmers could actually grow that’s why there was a listing the wheat, then kaboom the whole market involving food with a whole country’s half starved and then this is because they had to make up reasons for the collapse so that it didn’t get who knows what would have happened. I mean to become ridiculous pickles would cost $2 million dollars or something. Yeah it was for a while under Nicole Smith her esteem left. Those pickles might be that much? When you said that giving a gift to therapist is beyond all boundaries were you referring to Naomi Klein’s book fences and windows, and sorry if I’m giving that away. That artist Pollock whose stuff is gone for him so much you’d have to spread this output amongst a few billionaires is not more than that, I wouldn’t even know if there’s a billionaire’s club against Pollock, as cozy as Mr humphries, he [ not Humphrey with his clock] was hiding out in my city also for a while under the name Beverly. And not even just a little bit since 1988 at least. I had figured this out and she could always have stuff for sale , every time there was a art fair downtown there’s that person again, in fact I have a rosary[I was told she made that that either wasn’t Beverly or she was lying] and one bag, but somebody was buying one of her stuff, I don’t know what it was, and there was some question or so about how much she gets, I don’t know why somebody would ask that question other than whether she’s taken care of it’s like excuse me…. I mentioned the full price. Now the bus drivers think that Beverly has gone into the rest home for elderly but no I saw him camping out in the mall at Starbucks. If it gets so far that somebody Thanksgiving is hiding the message and such a fashion I think that’s more the therapist that didn’t work? Or is it Humpty dumpty? The English messing around with China the Opium wars and the whole country falling apart. Where there’s a wall…. And then the English introduce opium on purpose to disable China, just like they said they would defend the whites that the Bolshevik rebellion to make sure that it didn’t happen, and then you got communism because that was more favorable to keep Russia and Germany separate because Germany was so expansive and capitalistic; then world war one with they had everything divided properly, then after Germany was completely disabled but not yet considered a developing country the whole break down that caused you know what to get Germany and Russia apart because if they were together the one Central area in Europe together with the other side of the continent well….
My city gives a gift to the people that they have Parks and recreation where you can get yoga cheap. That is a gift. The result was that there was a yoga teacher while she thinks she’s teaching yoga she certainly was not they seem to think so as well, one could not actually expect her to take any view on what was going on other than what profited her and her cult behavior. She had convinced a bunch of friends that I being a gay person was in love with her and that schizophrenic behavior later on she tried to make out caused her to believe her life is in danger. The schizophrenia behavior referred to with me knowing better than to get involved with such stereotyping whether it’s from Hollywood, from psychics, or from her. So yes a person should ask whether a gift it’s something another another wants you say. Consequently the city should have asked everybody taking a class of her whether they interested were in having a bigot that is paranoid and has a cult following that can pull the wall over the city’s eyes waste their time and think this is appropriate because she sees herself as being above such honesty as the instructor. Her name also was Kim. I’m in the class I took the beautiful actress that played David copperfield’s wife who he married after he lost Dora was in the class. Added to this this person that was assigned the profession of a social worker actually very clearly said to the whole class she was teaching after she had just started the extreme abuse towards me that she wasn’t mad at them she was just acting, so you can add that to the whole list. I had mentioned this to the mayor of the city at the time but decided to retract it until now. As it stands now would she even try talking to me which would even a hi means all I would have to do is call the police and she would get arrested. At the store she even when I was standing behind her mentioned to the cashier that I could make her look like a prostitute. That might be more than being arrested. Have a nice day.
Writing a book this is a difficult task. JK Rowling said it was because her mother died that all this drama exists between the two most famous students, both evidently having extreme problems at school. I actually ran into her mother three times. First time I just thought that lady looks rather invisible. She was vibrating as if you could see through her and then she got off close enough to The Calde, a statue we have in town. As I try to collect my thoughts with the horrendous booming outside I’d like to hurl a missile at and watch the implosion when the heat collapses of such insensitivity and the woof of smoke rises out of it: of cruising. Then she was on the bus and still having reactions that they called the disease I think they called such multiple sclerosis but it might have been from the medicationing they gave her for it, or who knows what. One actually can get the symptoms from what Donald Rumsfeld had put into production called aspartame, and that will also kill you, so she was going to get coffee so she had it would she be that she wanted it in the morning. Last Sunday before I ran into my friend of true love, sitting there quietly, I did run into her mother again and she was just wild and said you know me and I said yeah you were invisible she said she’s always visible now and then I mentioned how in between seeing you at the second and third time I ran into Maria Callas and I thought that that [Callas] was her and started talking to Maria Callas. And to feeling more of nothing both actually said the same thing to me regarding the day which was good. Maria Callas, after me think I know who she was, said it must have been somebody else, fun actually apologize because she was so involved with her own thoughts and couldn’t talk. I didn’t complete everything I said, just did, now through these characters that make up words that thanks to your eyes you here in your mind, it was so fleeting. And then she must have disappeared and I found my friend again. He walked away just like in the dream over the water, which was in the dream. It’s funny thing is but I must mention his flunky Peter drinking it in from a dream saw the same thing and told the whole world that he had done such but she [he] never did and Peter trying to get to him [in the dream] had fallen into the water needed to be rescued and still told everybody the same lie. In another time moving through the Indra valley or playing he needed monkeys to do such work for him. I don’t know if they could have called or hauled him out of the water but he would have expected so. But writing a book is a very difficult thing all the emotions to come up and simply trying to look beyond the boundaries of time to allow it all together… it’s seriously: it’s like having your head in a vice and as hard as you tried to look at what’s there on your right which would be something that comes together with the rest although you’re physical eyes can’t see it, it’s like you need the strength from some hydraulic mechanism that would lift something to the top of that highest building on the planet. Just be able to work yourself through to what’s going to bring everything together when the whole world says hey, that’s just luxury. Imagine walking around such pressure on you all the time! Or don’t. But it did at times seem like that for me. Doesn’t have to for everyone. For Christ’s sake don’t think everybody has to go through that!
“When you ask for something and offer a gift at the same time, it becomes convoluted.” There must be more to convolution than asking for something and offering a gift please supply us with the list. And please regarding what is convoluted that goes along with giving a gift as well as what is convoluted that goes along with asking for something. Thank you.
Giving a gift shows that there is no loss in giving. Thatās a different world than the calculations of what one is supposed to get out of something, and wager it as a loss. Who then is supposed to go along with this, and āGodā as well!? There are then systems that try to regulate this āCapitalismā then says one thing about it, and what they call āCommunismā another. Either the one authority is supposed to be who shares, so it gets shared, or the other is the one that makes the channels for it. Both times the majority ending up, not in the hands of the intended according to the true meaning of the system, but in a chosen few. Yeah, I see that hand knot (not machine made) socks would interfere with these chosen few. I also think that anyone who has truly given, they see that thereās no loss, even though the world makes it out to be who knows what, instead. And yes āmiraclesā happen, according to those saying how things work, as if reality is impossible. Or that human nature is something different than itās true expression.
Would anyone actually read this article, with the intent of comprehension, rather than going along with the fashion present regarding such [therapy, psychology, etc.] one could easily see that Catherine, in how she heals, and what kind of matrix of interaction giving someone a pair of knit sock meant, and how healthy that gesture is; to have someone make that out to be convoluted, not only points out that the “therapist” the whole time had a whole plethora of bizarre interpretations, and the whole gambit of game theory that R. D. Laing clearly , with his research, shows shuts down healing; then to include yet another bizarre interpretation or more than one, right in line with what shut down healing, and make this out to be what!? And Catherine is supposed to allow conversation on this, akin to a black slave in the old south sitting down to hear an exposition of WHY his master supposedly is superior to him, and he’s there to be his master’s slave, and “god” wanted it such, just when the “slave” has started to realize otherwise, or is healing from it. And one can fantasize that everyone agrees with this, that Catherine is responsible to “listen” having played game theory and adding up what “profit” there is from such, but…..
I think Catherine has found people she can listen to.
And not with people who think sharing a pair of knitted socks is “convoluted,” or that someone who disassociates, and can’t even remember everything consequently that went on in a session or integrate the emotional response, who thus records it to actually help with healing 9again very clearly explained0, that this is instead what!? And getting away from it is what!?
My goodness!
I never had therapy, with such people. And then I found that anyone calling themselves a social worker could make up the same array of abusive nonsense, would people get a bit offended was anyone not hired, officiated, locked in or imprisoned by their bulk equivalence of āhow-one-should-behave.ā Make it up, tell the authorities, and voila, you have the scarlet letter all over again, only now itās a C for ācrazy.ā
I did have, actually, something that was called therapy, although I didnāt see it as such, and am NOT going to be fooled into making it out such. I ran into people that channel spirits. Just another perspective, like talking to someone that sees differently, in their case itās more they donāt see the one point in time our eyes see, given that when you look at this you donāt see what the next post is going to be, they might see all of that akin to an array of potentials beyond just one point. And then they have to take over another human beingās body to talk, so I wanted to get to know them. It was funny, sometimes. My best friend being Mozartās mother, she had come through so many mediums, that the last time, having come in with a sleepy hi, and then the question, as if sheās on duty: āWhat questions do you have for me?ā I totally blanked out, like you might were you asked to tell someone why to be a politician your hair has to resemble something thatās been shellacked or a duck decoy, itās this nonsense āadultsā go on about, and to anyone still fresh enough from reality, you just shrug, and take on the expression one has wondering why such billed on billboards is in such large print, being your eyes, really arenāt that large, youāre not deaf as if the size increases the volume, and you are to be amazed. She started then, after a pause just being herself talking about a memory that resonated so wonderfully thereās been miracles, poetry, friends from nowhere and more wonders out of nowhere. But at first, it being so out of sorts, I said I didnāt hear what she said, and she repeated it. I must have been talking about wanting to hear it without this medium. I actually thought: āhere, sheās flipped her lid, you see try all these mediums and sheās lost it.ā Because such stuff really doesnāt go along with the whole shall we say pretension that the spirits are the authority. She didnāt lose it, and I havenāt asked, or had to, deal with mediums. I did find a therapist though who she could move through, and simply respond to my thought, at the moment. But that only needed to happen once, and was nothing more than a āthank you,ā because I was thinking as thought goes.
Then the person I was thinking of, or another like him, when thanked because I at least cared to see someone was trying to express themselves, he got on a bus with me, then grabbed me, just like here. As Emily Dickinson describes:
āHe strained my faithā
Did he find it supple?
Shook my strong trustā
Did it thenāyield?
Hurled my beliefā
Butādid he shatterāit?
Rackedāwith suspenseā
Not a nerve failed!
Wrung meāwith Anguishā
But I never doubted himā
‘Tho’ for what wrong
He did never sayā
Stabbedāwhile I sued
His sweet forgivenessā
Jesusāit’s your little “John”!
Don’t you knowāme?
Then little Johnās friend himself showed up. Saw him last Sunday, just sitting at a quiet spot. I had bought him a shirt, a bit gothic in style, years a go, for just that age, had felt rather pretentious about it, as one is want to. Had completely forgotten, but then he showed up, after spending considerable time with me every day for a week and a half, showed up with the same style, that he would have out grown the shirt, and then again, the same. A week and a day later, or as they say, forever and a dayā¦ā¦
If a therapist isnāt going to be a friend, then they should justā¦.. F! O!
I came up with a VERY sarcastic synopsis, mostly meant as humour, but who knows.
I was wondering how āscientistsā or even ādoctorsā go on about having intimate relationships, do they ask each other: āShall we see if we can interact biologically,ā and then making we wonder what kinds of tests would be involved. Whether mathematical or involving personality types. BINGO! You would have to go to a psychiatrist and see whether or not your partner is ābehavingā in a way that needs adjustment or not! Given that the most prescribed drug is antidepressants, and it HIGHLY interferes with biological relationships, in that a gross number of people can not achieve orgasms or even feel their sexual organs anymore, which may go on for years. THERE you go, antidepressants might be our savior, that biologically they donāt really do what they are supposed to āscientificallyā when such people interact, otherwise WHO KNOWS what kind of a system weād live in. My friend talks about this a bit: https://caroleveretthealingsanctuary.co.uk/a-vision-of-tomorrows-world/ But really!? WHAT kind of tests would be added if the main psychiatric drug prescribed actually did promote biological interactions involving procreation!?, Or just enjoying sex for the comradery!? Would we all be bred like horses, or cows!? Think of the use as labrats that might come out of antidepressants improving sexual function!?
Iāll give them a hand, those amazing aces. Once again theyāve outdone themselves!
It might be actually someone else was Joseph and they were so simple and simple just so that yeah so I get it now that’s so that social worker might not actually have been Joseph. that might be the composer who wrote a song about “lasciate mi morire.”
Psychiatry is like soccer? Are you saying that we are like a bunch of insects that will end up being victim of those who are throwing us into a web that just teleports all over the damn place because you said the goal posts they are changing? Give me like this? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netherlandish_Proverbs
civil: 1.
relating to ordinary citizens and their concerns, as distinct from military or ecclesiastical matters.
“civil aviation”
commitment: the state or quality of being dedicated to a cause, activity, etc.
“the company’s commitment to quality”
!? What does this have to do with aviatory companies?
I went to the beach, and someone I won’t bother to mention since she’s already harassed beyond recognition, she didn’t like a thread of citrus rind, so she had thrown it off. One of the seagulls, after I called them into a murmur flew down making me think it had seen something that only looked like what it was after, but no, it was edible. It actually was that thread of rind. Having not thrown off with it, I jabbed my fingers nails into making bite sized pieces and sure enough they went for it. I was a bit surprised that, when you throw other things down for them to gobble up, they then might either fight about it, or are acting as if. But in the air, they always are beautiful in their murmurings.
“In the Bible, “murmur” primarily means to complain in a low, muttering voice, often out of discontent or dissatisfaction, especially against God or those in authority. It’s a sin that is frequently associated with grumbling, fault-finding, and a lack of faith in God’s provision or guidance. ”
And then: “A murmuration is a spectacular aerial ballet performed by large flocks of birds, most notably European Starlings, characterized by their synchronized and fluid movements, twisting, turning, and swirling in unison.”https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0sE10zUYyY
What is civil commitment? What is civil about it?
I think it’s quite simple. There’s a difference between art and artifice. Art has content, artifice doesn’t. Or don’t believe me and go to your nearest museum and marvel at all of the frames the paintings are in, but DO NOT actually look at the paintings, that’s idolatry. Then study the building but DO NOT look at the people inside, or take in what they are doing, that would be blasphemy. Then study the streets, the layout of the city, and maybe even go as far as the airports, or NASA’s pad for launching things into outer space, but DO NOT… Do not what?
I have SO MUCH had it with this nonsense going on.
āFundingā for asylums, because the amount of ā$ā doesnāt add up.
People called āhealersā having a degree in it: āPsychiatryā,āMedicalā; and then you have the ālegalā profession that honors ārulesā.
They can get together, decide regarding someoneās ābehaviorā or what comes next from their ātreatment.ā NOT actually talk with the person regarding their ādiagnosis,ā not actually LISTEN when the person has something to say about either, the diagnosis or the treatment; NOT…and Iām at a loss: would one say they arenāt cogent enough to see what they are doing, or that they just simply only care about the money, the profits, the social gears, the privilege; or is it that they never were allowed to express pain and so they inflict it in others the same!?
To be able to go on regarding what they donāt really understand regarding human behavior, to not actually listen to those that do understand or those that have understood and might have forgotten and are trying to bridge the gap, to not listen to those that want to understand and WILL NOT be brainwashed to not understand; to have the legal profession allow them to lock people up label ANYONE who wants to actually understand with:
1) fill in ādiagnosis,ā they donāt talk with the person about, donāt listen would the person try to point out thereās grave error or any other misunderstanding.
And when real help might be available:
2) prevent any avenue that actually shows understanding, call these wonderful expositions of understanding lacking in mainstream support (no, the majority of people on the planet AS YET really arenāt all being forced to believe otherwise), dowse any true love of the human condition that blossoms into the beauty of what it is to be alive and free to express yourself, and free to listen to others without monitoring their ābehaviorā when you donāt understand it, dowse that with being worthless because it as yet hasnāt needed the āfundingā that āsupportsā them and then they swagger and prance around hoping people gawk at them; perhaps with no understanding would anyone see that they truly think twice about using such words as āretardedā,ābackwardsā,ācrazyā,āinsaneā,add the rest of the DSM because that REALLY does, and would insult, nature.
In reality we need more people capable of being lit up into the psychiatric system like we need, or was needed, to have (1) the people calling themselves whatever religion, because it was safe for them, to start misrepresenting what Moses, Jesus, Buddha, Lao Tzu (and no NONE of them are white men)…what they said. And start this movement of thatās their territory, (2) or people in the ghetto who sell drugs, crank up the music, or both, or more that like to dowse down their taste: loud music, unhealthy food, cheap stimulants, gratuitous everything with whatās convenient, so no one can find their peace and anyone that feels what it does isnāt cool, is being unsocial; or the next class moving in on whatās available because of what was just mentioned and then you get (3) the social workers, the psychiatrists, the bleeding hearts liberals like Jesus father Joseph who sat and wept because he knew they were selling stolen livestock that might be murdered when he married Mary, so it says in the bible that he wanted to divorce her, because he made such a ruckus about it of course from number 2 (or does it say he wanted to kill her?) because more of it heard him weeping and wailing. So when Jesus could create landscape for this, and was falling in love with being human, as part of nature, then drawing a teachers face, in charcoal, and having the lips even soft (the other orifice not available in view for a boy who knows what to do from nature at that age) itās called idolatry, heās barred from making any drawing, no clay sculptures anymore, and āJosephā (who now reincarnated and is a social worker where I live, who knows what his name is or who the devil cares!?), wonāt let him even express wanting to have a Greek style playhouse in their village, because thatās āGreek stuff.ā Jesus already having learned to draw in the sand, thanks to another friend of mine, an angel, so when push came to shove, and Joseph might have spent time or forever doing something more enjoyable with whoever wanted to make a living raising poor animals to be slaughtered as if this appeases God, and one gets paid for it; he might have spared Joseph as well as the lady sold by her husband who bought her just for that, when they tried to corner him knowing if he said that those who legally could put her to death, while the other side wanted such power that was supposedly given to those who wanted it, as they did; it would go wrong either way. Well it didnāt did it, because someone had showed him what art is, DESPITE Mr. bleeding hearts āfather.ā Further, more when my friend and love was accused of idolatry and there being a whole meeting with such nitwits who believe such nonsense, and his āfatherā being involved, Jesus then broke into it and announced he had a good father and would do anything that he said. ONE WAY of sparing himself, maybe even in another time, of having Joseph tell him who had a big one, and that heād like gratification. MY love knowing FULL WELL that was how to avoid such. I encountering the same when this guy stood behind me in line and announced: āYou have an excellent ass.ā
We donāt need name witheld blasting away, doing so many drugs he also [like Johnny Depp] needs guards to make sure he gets it, doesnāt die from it, if he does they arenāt blamed, and before this then calling the local community media center to ask how to get his fake store bought prod in the right place ; we donāt need some maniac [excuse me, do I mean āpsychiatristā] who thinks that anyone not telepathically looking in their freezer for what he might ignite into their lives with cocktails that involve recipes so bent on his approval, would one try to cook for oneself you might need to telepathically know what he prefers, just to know what to say to him;
We donāt need (4) a bunch of aces concocting ways to sell the cocktails, or the abuse; and housing should be housing, not a place for ALL THREE [no FOUR] to torture others and call it a working system and con those who know better to think ANY war is going to solve ANY of it!
And in the beginning was the word, not the lie; as little as that people do sports in order to win, rather than it might show how something works, or create bonding with those taking part when done properly.
I couldn’t on the phone make out what one is to do with replying to anything, or WHICH string of responses ANY reply would be going to, so I’m just bottoming out here, with ANOTHER one (sorry)
Birdsong said: not so fast you two
āSown in dishonorā!
Ah! Indeed!
MayĀ thisĀ “dishonor” be?
If I were half so fine myself
I’d notice nobody!
“Sown in corruption”!
Not so fast!
Apostle is askew!
Corinthians 1. 15. narrates
A circumstance or two!
Very interesting and beautiful landscape Birdsong (no I’m not being sarcastic). I agree with you completely. However, having gone today to a place that is so well kept, I thought that no one in such an area really needs a house. Millions might buy one there, but…..
Now, maybe you’ll join me sometimes, and we might just try this out. Sort of like when, as I was told, a class in being a social worker was allowed access to an elevator at a mall for the whole day, so that they could go up and down it, and have anyone else using it more than once notice, and see how people react. I don’t know what ELSE was an assignment; but yeah… Stand on a street corner and behave in the way the Mayor of New York has stated is cause to allow anyone to have the possibility or being put into an asylum (at least the police would have to be informed of this, or even better the asylums, although that already wouldnt work). No, such has been done before, and the asylum said they knew how many others had done the same. It should be possible to simply sleep somewhere as natural as the other wildlife, and have this be okayed by the police, or not!?
I also met the very person Anne Lucas in her book: “A Quest for Love” said she murdered, and had to because those forcing her would have tortured the girl more, and thus it was a mercy killing. THAT, is just one account of such behavior from Anneke. But yeah, the girl came walking down the beach, with some others, and an old friend from somewhere else spent time talking with her. I don’t know if she then is an angel amongst us, whether she reincarnated, or whether she had a near death experience and revived while even Anneke (having told her she could die and still be herself) thinks or thought or will think, but yeah…..There are homeless people that would more out of the attempt at their condition most of “modern” art is about. I supposed one could play all of this gloriously “romantic” or “post romantic” music sort of the same. Or “primitive.” It would be nice would it not be too late, which is it for the people we lost, while others felt it free to go on as if they “understood,” had “empathy” and we building a bridge by their “creative depiction” of “the times.”
This is what my friend meant, I think, when he said the flowers in the field are finer than Soloman’s robe, and yet they are thrown on the compost heap (in that time it meant burnt) so God must have something finer for them. And no one got it, in the “Urantia” papers the insult to the Universe that got an abusive following THEN already says he decided he was the son of man, after reading about THAT title. I don’t think so. Do you think man painted the flowers? Maybe women did…..
“You could have stayed around longer….” “You say the flowers are finer than Soloman’s robe, and they are thrown on the compost Heep, you could have stayed around and smelled the roses….”
Whether he could have or not, he is….
But I guess that was solved a long time ago. There’s a book called: “The Romance of the Rose.” I’ll continue to read that now. Thanks for your friendship and input…..
“The failure of the community and denial of reality.”
Birdsong, you just don’t understand that when a community fails, putting people into a system that has created a spike in what the community fails as it continues in such trends, that THIS is the only resort for these “5%,” now do you? So, just take a deep breath, inhale some nice perfume, and think about it huh!?
note to the uninitiated: I’m being maliciously sarcastic.
[continued] didn’t know what time of the day of horses and then she could whether she know what time of the day it was her mother told me who actually thought she should be there so who knows if that’s truth regarding horses so and then she ends up in there and gets out knows how to talk herself out and just [gets] put in there again after being ready for saying wouldn’t believe [getting “them to believe I think I said, not sure] and having stuff stolen out of the house because the only people she could hang out with had been staking out what they could get from her. She committed suicide was pronounced that and I can’t tell you anymore of that. I had told all of them I thought they would lose her including her mother and she said all of them thought….. https://www.lifestorynet.com/obituaries/lisbeth-lilly-lipke.29513#memories. They had told the police he’d [she had they said but wasn’t true] been running out naked [and said she’d taken her cloths off in public which again she hadn’t, which was the first thing “Anna’s” friend said that she was doing what she wasn’t, and THOSE are the people knowing how to get her committed so that she committed suicide) and she hadn’t at all when I called not emergency police after not calling them earlier because they supposed to friend of hers [hersupposed friends trespassed] trespass into her house and called her case manager to get her incarcerated after they scared her to such a degree that she broke her Achilles ankle after lying to both of us to get here [her] across the street and corner her in such a manner because she said something Jesus would completely agree with if you read A course in miracles ever all [everyone is, we all are] the second coming so she said she was and they’re supposed to religious person who had gotten an award that I managed to get taken away from him he was going to have her committed and then threatened me because I told him that was clear she didn’t want them in her house and that they were harassing her when they trespass into her house and I actually neglected calling the police because when I called there and said I would have been get out of her house I got such a sarcastic reply with somebody who continue to harass me for years at other medicinal places like the dentist, that I didn’t call and then later found out the the police have been lied to. And so when it came by when they were arresting her in a police was there and she was just trying to be kind and say I was a nice person to the police the police had to ask me to leave her ]or] be arrested for interfering with investigation, which then what was it? I heard this numerous times every time there’s lies going on. Are you talk to people who have been involved with all of this and the best you get out of them is that they don’t want to talk about it it’s that kind of investigation they feel free to lie and act like to some kind of danger because somebody is a [the person they decide is a danger and crazy isn’t controlled by fear] controlled by fear. The sound [friend] of mine now isn’t dead because I’ve talked with her I don’t even know if she’s an angel among Us like my love Jesus, who also appears here and there in different forms from other times that are not locked up with [but] liberated from forever, I don’t even know. There was a very wonderful soprano I had just wish actually about so is a mess so not a soprano I meant so or you think this mezzo is what it’s supposed to be with all of that. I had just heard her and so she was in a place for me to get acquainted with her and then this Angel among Us appeared and I don’t even know if there was an extra day and there you go it’s supposed to be my loss I didn’t have her committed.? Another friend of me the one that argued with the judge called me that she had committed soon and said she’s not dead she’s just three [free] of the mental health system I took my wallet [wand] out waved it for a holographic image and there she wasn’t [was] wanted to know how I did that I just demured and dimpled I want to have a life too I’ve never been so in love as I am now with Jesus and we’ve been married since June 9th you can take a blade of grass which is [“his”] friend John told me to [they stalk for a flower to grow, it’s like a piece of wire] become it stalks so there might be a flower but those are easily flown into commission to composting sorry often might grab one and pick it and make a circle then wind the remainder around that for a ring and there was laying there so the second day when I had smoking nothing had let go so much pain I don’t know. I don’t know where this friend of mine somehow was retrieves and is part of a different society whether she’s part of heaven and just as they are, guess I just don’t know sometimes I see her and then realize that voice a spirit image. And there are a lot of us…. Just like Jesus when he saw so many people broken, so many live seemingly lost, so many people discarded, an knew that’s just not true, they have another part; and so he said that the flowers, in the field, they are finer then Soloman’s robe (couldn’t say that, that’s idolotry, supposedly only Soloman’s robe is of God, also couldn’t draw his love of a teacher, the landscape of his face, and THAT also was made out such), but it’s all thrown on the compost heap, burned even. so….. having seen the value that’s ruined, discarded, thrown away, tossed, beaten to death, robbed from those who would value it, sold to keep others more decent from interfering with such evil… all of that, and knowing that’s just not right, and can’t be real, he said HEaven has something even greater…….So why waste what you’re give I ask!?
All right Fanny farmers book will there be a morning. That’s the name of it the question will there be a morning. I’ve also visited people in the asylum and there’s virtually no reality involved with those Harper’s [harboring] ideas that they are maintaining any kind of resource for the people there whatsoever. Two friends of mine because psychiatric drugs were forced on them both had a blood clot that went through their heart they [that] should have killed them and both had 2% chance of survival. True completely true. Is this going to add up to then it’s 4% and if like 50 more of my friends have such an ordeal that then it’s 104% chance of survival? Furthermore, I had called the hospital because I was a little bit well sort of held back from continuing with this gay homosexual people channel I’m up with their as m i r c. Probably Prince William and his annoying self-righteous friends came through there all the time, he still is talking harassing me, he is not even truly the crown Prince either his father, with who he’s now married to, his child before they got married or he even started bothering princess Diana. (Charles Dorante Day is his name HE is the real crown prince0 So if you’re wondering about why something is called despair well now you know or this beer. The spare there. Now I was little hesitant 9from going on THAT channel again0 so I called the hospital and ask them if they had pregnancy tests for males. No, I was told. YEars pass. come to see that a friend of mine years later needed somebody to talk to since she was a young girl and having gotten together with a guy she was talking about marrying and the guy called her father and there would be a hole or a deal [whole ordeal]she actually had to sell foot in the asylum for treatment I can’t tell you [what kind] https://oelte.wordpress.com/2013/01/27/waking-up-to-the-remaining-dream/ because this confidential but there she said [sat] and there was a guy standing there upon entering and he was just standing there looking like a forlorn statue I told him just to follow the rules. Come to find out here going to the same hospital that didn’t have pregnancy tests for males according to whoever talked to me on the phone that I didn’t record and he ended up in a silent [anasylum after tgoing to same hors’a-pittle] they’ve been there for 3 months $1,000 a day at least for these people deciding whether he can leave there or not whether he thought he was female and pregnant but they thought he was male and pregnant or whether it was something else which apparently they couldn’t see if they had actually talked with him they might have found something out, I don’t think that’s right to detain him because they don’t have a f****** clue about what their professional standing is. He did get out. I hugged him, thenI ended up feeding the seagulls, as they were there at the park I ran into him, by means of tossing them whatever was there a whole loaf of bread somebody had discarded in an area where I later teleported to the other side of the building I picked up not the building the bread lasted for some data is moment [kept for whatever dadaist moment] and made pellets in a whole lot [a whole flock of seagulls] caught single file one by one every single pallet without fighting about it or any kind of problem. Sometimes they just disappear there, as if I lost them, which I don’t believe, even hearing such thoughts inside my head I don’t. The same area where that lion named Elsa came out of nowhere to have The adolescents she never had, and had to be taught how to hunt because before making up stories about her apparently there’s no to silence [asylums] for Lions either. These are just a couple stories….. Another friend ended up having to talk to a man through the screen of a television and simply had been trying to act out whatever she was trying to discover about religious prophecies tell me this case A thousand years, and this involved heavy the create a big disturbance for some people, the judge asked her whether she knew she was creating a big disturbance when she said she was [he did not] even ask her what kind of disturbance or why she did it, and again all she was doing was walking around really bothering no one but people wanted insecticide for her or something or some disease to put her over. Before this she actually had to talk to a judge I think this was one and [in] Cold blood rather than through a screen and when he mispronounce her name she had enough of it she was already in a bad mood and others that probably never in the Life had been allowed to take on such temerity had expressed extreme empathy with her so in this stupid judge didn’t even know how to pronounce her name she told him how to pronounce her name before or after asking whether she needed to put him back into kindergarten and teaching the English language. He doesn’t like it then she ended up in in asylum for criminal people that are insane. This goes on and on and on one girl ended up in the Siloam [asylum] put there by of all people The reincarnation of unpopular among others Anna pavlova we’re currently has the name Kym Bazzey, sending her youth when her mother didn’t want to be poisoned (her mother was listed as mentally ill and Kym had a problem that her mother would never try poisoning for it, although Kym would have, and told me Lilly also wasn’t taking hers] listed as such and said that she was in danger came through [Kym threw] something at her and had to go in custody of her father. Stuff I found out because I thought she was going to be dancing but she married the janitor of Saint Cecilia music society in Grand rapids then. I was in their office(Irecognized her and she does porno saying it was too much like a first date would I tell her such, no I didn’t suggest we fuck so she knows and never once thought of it but to stay away from such). No w, they managed to put this friend of mine in the asylum after scaring her to such a degree that’s been trying to get away she had broken her Achilles ankle which they didn’t tend to in this medicinal place called an asylum and it was swollen up to the knee and it was ruined but they did Jack her up with drugs so much she [continue in next post editing time allotment almost up]
At the same time that they supposedly, I don’t even know where to begin. No it isn’t true that the psychiatric drugs they started handng out at the same time that they let people out of the asylums was the reason suddenly all such people could be let out. At the time that most people or all of them that were let out from being put into life confinement, when they report into such a views it was possible to put someone in the asylum for as little as $500 and they’d have to stay there for life. Often no reason to asked, and if there were questions you can look up how easy that was as well with somebody homosexual or a list of other things such as not interested in the man her father wanted her to marry. Now, this of course changed it was found out and those who were supposed to be warehouse for life, those people were looked at and it was found out that most of them were fine, they just were outdated in their ability to respond to society. I say most of them, then, the rest I’m sure weren’t taken care of decently or honestly, all the “intelligence” going to keep them from making a way that would expose what was going on, whether consciously or not. But so, a whole populace got out at the same time the drug companies had had started coming up with their “medicinal” cures. And so, the one, which since has made everything worse statistically and scientifically, was made out to be the reason for the other. Now would I make it known that a mental patient without medications is like a fish without a bicycle, and then point out well once the river was half flooded and I had to get through the bicycle path with water all the way up to the top bar of the bike and there were some very large fish swimming right along with me so you see… this is you know, wow, America, and a miraculous contribution to the well-being of the planet. Whoever gets first dibs come along with me and you’ll make bazillions…. And have you all do it. Like when that one preacher said if he didn’t get that much money he’d commit suicide and wow: you all did it. Send a bunch of dudes to the moon and have them tramp around there, like they need to hand out from outer space, but make sure they don’t report that there were higher technological crafts all around there, and then have school children watch their teacher blown up in a rocket that’s supposed to be as equally amazing, and the whole country watches this on the boob tube. Then send aria on a g-string and the Queen of the night aria on a golden disc up there too and sit and wait for the aliens to want to ask Sony for the equipment to play it on appropriate equipment for the manner in which it was imprinted on the gold. Then if you don’t believe this is great go to your doctor because it’s just you’re starting to lose your sense of reality and he’ll have pills to make sure, and boy does he make sure with your insurance and everything else……
My friend who I called Noel and was last named Yeshua, we finally had time for each other. Simply that. I saw him. I was walking past and there he was so I said: “oh hi how are you doing?” A bit slumped, could have been any marooned person in some strange place not feeling at home wondering why there is this meandering dark cloud where if you would stand up then what? And so that first day, as we sat next to each other finally together. It seemed like the whole world came by and all he wanted was some money or cigarette. At least that’s what he kept on asking everyone. Most came by of I wouldn’t put it past anything but you can add it up. 30 leaves his head against me and wept he missed me so much. So I beckoned into the winds, because they like stalking me and it seems like everywhere I go there is a slide from forever wooshing down on me. And then finally this guy https://images.app.goo.gl/v2YVd17hq2CacDpH6 who I passed often enough in the museum and painting he came along with another lady I wouldn’t have known except I happened to buy somewhere maybe Goodwill who knows just a book and there they told me there was one actress in England born or died 1765 56 having been another number for me as I say Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart was born. Mary Ann Porter, and I brought us this frumpy cigarette which looked just like something I might have resorted to the good old days when the butts collected themselves somewhere and I still had paper enough. Work with these aces called publishers and what you get in the mail who knows why there’s any paper anywhere left over but anyhow I am distracted. I couldn’t inhale even if I tried I could taste it but the cigarette just being as such must have been something else and most of the good old days you could just smoke one and there would be peace you would have to gag yourself to death numerous incarnations, a stuffing goes but we’re not talking about live ones, I wonder why anyone ever started all that. But then the rest of it coffee sugar tea with industrial age yeah, just to keep you awake while those with less cognitive ability keep everything going around in circles that are paid for it. But there we sat. Unless it for a while dwindled off we would have been there forever but it didn’t, until of course I just being half off and he wanted to get somewhere but we were didn’t mean to be enjoying ourselves so much we just took it all off: everything else and being arrested put in jail next comes the military but I’ll tell you about that later since that was another day. We did both get a dollar as well an old potentate from an institute both gave us what I gave him his Blessing so he could take it with him by means of the one I was given and the next day there was a wedding ring just a piece of green I think just grass soft enough yet to wind around itself and form such. So there it wasn’t I gave it to him and we’re married. But you see it was just someone but it could have been anyone, and why…. Why an actress. Why they don’t tell you much do they. And since I didn’t but speak of it and here we go and print as intelligence, intelligence wouldn’t know otherwise? He had come upon a village with his father and they had a great playhouse and he had already been chastise greatly and forbid for making little sculptures of clay he wasn’t allowed to actually draw with charcoal even a teacher at a school and landscapes even more beautiful than that his friend had a father with clay that wasn’t loud even in the house anymore by this person called Joseph. The same person stood behind me at a coffee house and says to me that I had an excellent ass, which is about the whole conversation I’ve ever had with that person and hope not to have to continue at all. Right now he’s a social worker I’m told at least that’s what he said he wanted to be as long as saying that he was in love with me and another time calling me Mozart and telling me to calm down. The only funny thing was when I was play acting the character in The birdcage who didn’t like some person being sexy enough that it was intruding on his glamor and send more to come (since then other was chewing so much of it maybe he needed some more gum) and the guy mentioned I think it wasn’t even mystery (listerine?) and maybe broke cream (brylcreem) who knows when he goes out about. Anyhow so Yeshua couldn’t even mention that he would like one in their village so I should play house and there was too much for Mr I’m the father. So there we have an actress and finally some time for art. You know, ready for this meeting. It worries me. It worries me greatly. I couldn’t really tell the difference and maybe there isn’t one between this actress and JK Rowling. And what sadness me greatly is that she also just like the Disney movie tell me you know the movie where the boy is fading and the father is fading and someone stole the father’s music. Now seems shaking rolling j K Rowling is fading. She’s fading why is this going on? Is that too much that somebody’s actually dedicated and create something for the world which is splendid and everybody loves, she’s supposed to fit into what, is there a hammer involved that when you break her up enough oh you fit a square thing into a round whatever is it supposed to be triangular or is the inside coming out wrong? The most wonderful stories that bring the people back to why there were ever tracks left regarding thought and books and papers. What’s the problem!? when they go to the smallest room in the housing wiping themselves with it, or without it or with it someplace else it doesn’t smell like right? Go ahead and ask chatty p why it smells funny or chat GP. You know they’re microphones you have to pick up what you say you stick them where the sun don’t shine and it ain’t going to know what to do yet maybe somebody will invent something like that and you’ll be able to have chatty pee or A1 tell you hey you know what you’re supposed to be eating…. Or just get a friend for Christ’s sake. Please! Someone you just happened to run into that need some help getting up and finding his way in the world.
Yes Da Vnci is a good friend, waking up with him in the Italian forest, the birds singing, and yet he was so nervous, it took me so many years to realize he wasn’t Giorgione. He made me cry, the situation for such as him was SO BAD in that area, on BOTH sides. Wonder whether it is any different to this day. One side spicing it up with illegalities they break on their own, the other fighting that with creating excuses for the other, and there he was, this BEAUTIFUL soft man with eyes that would melt your soul. Just like beautiful Voltaire during these times. So, I went and talked with him, in these times it would be like a picnic table. At a park or where workers can convalesque. And with the plague coming up….I’m sorry I would go on more, but I have this seriously ANNOYING pack of squeegees from “Virginia” after me, as yet. And they they added Missouri….. But Da Vinci was cool. I really wouldn’t have known it was him, he doesn’t care to stand out at all, if the truth be known. So, on may ask what brought us together again? Because it wasn’t some gilded passage referring to lost loves, with magic windmills powering flights of angels to rest on our eyebrows, as our lips meet, and we wilt from top to bottom, and melt into each other….. It was a bus that I thought he’d missed…so I called out: he stepped forward, and it looked as if he had wanted to take that bus, but it hadn’t stopped, in fact it had already moved on (I think it says inside the bus to look at the driver when it approaches, maybe he’d not done that, or maybe something else but…), you’ve probably seen that, when you bump against something and it vibrates, sort of like “twang” only it’s a longer wang…..maybe gobbling wang gets activated, or the other way such a boogles, and then, after asking him about it, whether he wanted that bus, because I REALLY was concerned, not just that it’s not easy in my city, it’s not like just go to a stop and soon enough one will arrive, it’s the whole kaboodle: people get distracted, I’ve gotten an apartment to gather than within a week, when I’m putting together something that expresses nativity, bang a car hit’s another, because of me being a walking distraction, so I asked, quite resoundly with temerity, he turned and looked, and I saw his eyes. https://fleursdumal.org/poem/148 Which thanks to this wonderful site, which I thank with all my heart, I realize I already put them to music….. but of course, someone else will try, Having some business will entreat his eyes to twinkle in their spheres….. (tears…..)
Hey bird song, I was talking with Jesus after we’ve been together for long enough to have such conversations. I had brought him something I make which he had been involved with before because you see in East broad country said don’t have trees that you can pluck oranges out of everybody throws the rides away so I ain’t gotten in the habit of making stuff with that chopping the rides up in adding sugar and cocoa enough that it looks like a horse left it behind and then maybe we can share that by acting like we’re mad about the neighbor’s horse leaving it in our backyard? So have you done that multiple times I thought I do it closer to home and not that it’s an area that actually has such problems there’s no communist rule that you have to have permission to share things, if that’s communism but I walk into that place and all I had to say is the horse and their Jesus came down like a maple leaf said twirling and all I had to say was and it told us if you’ve been working there forever she’ll help you but he was so happy because this stopped the horrible occurrence here https://bitterwinter.org/investigation-concluded-twelve-tribes-not-responsible-for-2021-colorados-marshall-fire/ then we have Richard III is he dickey, I mean you have big dick little dick and then dicky I suppose but anyways the horse. So I have also been putting stuff inside sourdough bread flattening my palm that falls over like peanuts with other things or other nations this is complementary protein I brought that right he inhaled it I could hear the bush sound when you press the button on a can of air to clear out the dust in the computer. So I asked him do you like cleaning computers we’re walking side by side and he didn’t say anything which is quite unusual. So I made that sound I heard when he inhaled what the horse left behind. They said yeah I like fixing computers. So his friend I’d seen already with the cell phone the one everybody knows it’s Judas but in reality is Leonardo da Vinci, we had a one-night stand then. And then I saw Jesus when he was my own son with a cell phone as well said something in another language I found a translation for and a reference to whether it’s necessary so miracles just are. But they’re not telling you much because if they have quantum computing and this involves that reality where time doesn’t exist the same so there you go of course they’re acting like this is ruining everything. I’m going to post this now and I don’t know what has gone in there that I would have need to have corrected with entropy and Megan trophy and it doesn’t matter whether it’s positive or negative and it’s called an agent trophy I don’t know what Megan has to do with it no negentrooy…. (Added thx 2 button4 Ed it in) Negentropy ride and rinds, why would have to add the I did pay the impounding fee for where my other son Grand Pegasus and got the gods going on about him to such a degree when they had banged their heads together enough to reach unconsciousness whatever disease he had was lifted away because rules were suspended comment yeah he grabbed Pegasus. Was kind of stupid policeman calling me up and telling me my son had died which I know he had and then I asked him whether it was AIDS and the man said no it’s because of the bagging heads the banging heads begging begging begging heads begging bang bang bang, and then he mentioned this stuff about Pegasus being impounded and when I asked him you’re going to tell me anything else to cheer me up he didn’t have anything to say so I said excuse me while I call your Superior that you didn’t tell me the impounding fee and hung up. So I paid it nice lady plate during art prize that would have been thrown away as well and maybe a few bills. Try not to cry I miss them so
Not just thinking, but remembering, in fact being literate does that. Trying reading as if that is going to give you the answer, then monitor what happens to your stress level when you think that you need to have been doing and continue such when an answer is needed. And then monitor what happens when you just think: “oh fuck, forget it,” how well answers are allowed without all of that. I’m not saying stop reading, but don’t do it because you need to know something, or because you are scared to sit and spend some time thinking about your life, because then you’d find answers, and you can’t blame others anymore, or the situation, or act as if there’s no escape and you’re stuck. And then consider how many rats and mice you’ve spared having to go through various tortures, because people think it’s necessary to monitor what THEY are doing, rather than themselves, and then you might stop doing it to yourself. And yes that means taking some time to think about shit, and further more, it might mean meditating regularly, or doing yoga, or both, or taking walks, listening to the birds, taking the time to see the amazing beauty of what flits around in the air, and the magnificent articulate delight of such wings, and flowers, and…….heh smell the roses along with the rest of the flowers, but no, don’t wait till they come up with cell phones that emit odors…..
First having started with any such: therapy. Albeit after years of seeing the results in others, and having avoided. But then I h ad gotten so into disinhibition, and wondering WHY in the prior episode I hadn’t taken action, although still holding something back (Should we have the target emerge on stage completely engorged during the three oranges, although he probably wouldn’t have enough vitamin C?), and holding that back, went along to see the result. Mailed it, with return address. Maybe one shouldn’t always trust worker sat places you can have stuff mailed to be stuff mailed, but fine, there was a return address. And results. So, the kid who recognized what a frog is (Mogli), his mother being disinhibited enough, and an authority, she sent the second comrade to my door. THAT was enough, hearing what could happen and who wasn’t nice, so I started with a place I heard was better than the rest. And no, they DO actually do assessments. A kid in shackles even, I’d seen there. But having found someone, who I yet was to discover was deep into so much (her son had written about a very musical cricket, had died on Johnny Depp’s doorstep, and now could via Bob Dylan’s son allow my niece to use THAT music on a vide for her Grand-dad, or the world might find out about Bob) and having been with Madame Bovary for a while, she having gone to see what she could get started out West (in pumps) sat on a plane, leaving or returning is yet to be determined, but she told a man next to her, who listed himself as what we’re going on about (sounds a bit like “a sly kite’ll kiss a tree”) was told that what I told her about regarding what she didn’t have to tell him much about did exist.
Then she grabbed him by the ankles, swung him around a few times, not too many though, while aiming for the window which consequently shattered, and as he plummeted down said quietly: “ever heard about confidentiality?”
āabout how anybody can be as absolutely certain about them as you seem to beā there is no need for āaboutā at all, and the one proper use would be to replace it with āregarding,ā because no Steve isnāt going around with āabouts.ā
WHO is saying what!?
āI donāt agree with the premise that patients have to take their meds till they die.ā THAT is why you or anyone else has ANY kind of degree, in order to know you can disagree but it will do nothing!?
I’m sorry about the confusion regarding Tom as he only lasted a year even with the most processed musical adaptation although female at the time I’m sure that has something to do with Virginia but anyways, as he probably didn’t want to repeat being treated as Nancy was by Mr Sykes in [and] it wasn’t great expectations was it!? With the flapping well the flag seems to have done it as well as the doors of ovens inside making the candy wipes shake as well as with [what] the cookies sit on, but what’s the difference between that and pouring milk all over it to see how far it goes deeper than that? Which is probably another class in Harvard or who knows worse than that the difference between a hole in the ground and where the candy wipe goes….. Have I said anything?
I put in a grant as well, for such. I figure that the maintenance required, for doors, flags, maybe even jaws and young boys with magazines, or electronics, that unless there is a mirror figure like a fountain, mind you and NOT anything that would prevent the windy flappings, as occurs when one has in ells in the air; that were there not such an outlet (which goes further than kissing, although some of the same skill still is involved)…. than yes, kissing can be a depressant.
I did forgo another bid for a grant to be counting the hairs on a baboon’s private part, because I don’t think that’s fair to baboons, as they already have such classes at Harvard and other Ivy League places. I do, and it brings tears to my eyes, have a friend I regularly take home to hide, as there being so many attempts to capture him, put him in a cage, and exhibit him in circuses, the wrong kind of museum, and have him estimated as a media commodity when put on various bottles, also including presently such plastic as there might be, albeit soft edges or not. I hope then that you can understand me not going the Harvard say.
I would add an addendum to the remark that such doesn’t have a face. They aren’t telling you everything regarding quantum computing, and they have shut down who knows what [adjective referring to quantity], and when it showed intelligence they thought they could control, they shut it down, mostly. Same with again [quantity] stuff.
I never have done ChatGPD, and I get it from even voice detect, things come in.
Birdsong I have to say again that your writing is so well done the different ways you describe this phenomenon that is basically confusion technique. Make a person so dizzy having to follow all of that that they just give up. I think probably Aftab is quite a victim of that because he seems completely unable to actually relate to what he’s going on about. He’s constantly displaying that he believes being functional is thinking that he needs to be finding some slant in order to defend psychiatry because, I don’t know but, those are his colleagues and he thinks they’re nice and that’s the gang he hangs around with, has to be supportive of them; or the idea that he’s doing something to help people, and if he would realize what he’s really doing he probably would have to deal with severe depression himself for a while wondering how he could have been fooled in such a manner. But Birdsong please be kind to your mind. Just trying to wade through all of that stuff is incredibly confusing and infuriating. Sometimes you just have to decide this doesn’t make any sense why should I figure it out and, I had to just laugh and drop it and maybe look at it the next day to see if any sense was breaking through. Like the stuff about serotonin and it tells us there’s a depletion but he doesn’t say in comparison to what, so for all we know it’s because people who are medicated, in the initial period mind you not in the end, they have more serotonin. And that’s not even what goes on in the long run so what’s the point, because it doesn’t really have anything to do with it. In the end from the treatment people have less serotonin so if they were going to be logical they would actually try to make out that that helps with depression, but then they’d have to say well this is after the roller coaster ride. And they still get away with it this is just terrible. But just be kind to your mind Birdsong, and feel free it’s okay too just take a break or let nature itself take care of that without trying to make any sense of why when it’s supposed to make any sense it does not. Because it’s infuriating and it’s tiring and confusing. And then in ways it seems like they’re trying to make you angry and infuriate and tire you out. That’s another way people are trained to respond not to actually interact but just do things to get the other person on edge, tire them out make them angry. It’s a game with them. And then they get all hoards of people believing this, people that actually think they know something and are informed, which is even more infuriating of course. That’s what media does. Play around with people’s minds. So just be kind to your mind your brain and feel free to allow yourself to not have to try to make any sense out of it, because it’s like they keep on adding stuff that doesn’t really make sense and who knows to what level they actually know that but they just keep on adding it on to overload people. Or somebody like Aftab who might just be incredibly unrealistic like these people that think if you just park your ass in church every Sunday your going to go to heaven or something, and they will go on and on about this all smiley faced, and positive. who knows how addicted they are to this stuff they’ve invested in but they don’t want to question. And any of us who have actually been through stuff and been treated in a way that you just don’t understand how things could be that messed up you’re not going to fit into such little clubs: people all smiling at each other about their pretentious ideology…. and so it’s better to go outside and see that the sun is still shining or even to feel the rain against your skin or the air or whatever of nature or distraction of any kind……. Which then isn’t a distraction actually….. Something else actually can take over beyond the conscious mind and it does work even though the world says to be making change and be responsible we’re supposed to…..
I did listen to that podcast, quite amazing. How two people can go on about diagnosis, completely skip for the most part that it’s like going on about what food dye to put in products that would be more nutritious without them, and then go on about who puts too much dye in in order to continue to put such in, because you know they are more “epistemic” about it, and then….. have said nothing about nutrition at all basically. Why the food is there, what therapy is about, other than naming different methods. To have to deal with someone who greets you with such supposed empathy, that they understand your trauma, because they can go round in circles with criteria, or be so hyper about it that it’s like the little voices reminding you to be concerned about stuff that you really just need to not entertain as having anything to do with it….
I mean to hear two grown people go on like they’re having a nice Frappuccino and making business deals, and not hear one word about the horrible trauma anyone has gone through that ends up having to deal with them, how they have perhaps from childhood had to suppress their real thoughts, how they are on edge the whole day wondering whether they can do anything without it failing or being criticized (added to this the drugs disabling their ability to even know what the source is), the consequent dismissal of their feelings, the ingrained wounds that are triggered when anything that touches upon what’s been suppressed emerges…..or how much they [these two bloggers] might have learned from people who have had a completely different life than them, how much they might learn about things they didn’t know were going on, probably weren’t interested in, and how they learned to not judge people….. Instead stroking of each other’s “insights.” And then smiling how they can go on like that without truly touching on what’s going in any critical manner, or even really knowing how, but make themselves out to be…..
I decided to do a search for Aftab, fortunately I don’t have time to go into it because I have to go pick up my organic vegetables for the week but… As it goes with borderline personality disorder which he just feels free to add on to someone who was free of all such intrusions there’s actually this whole talk where they go on about whether this is a valid diagnosis which I’m sure you encounter him, I don’t even know what to say about it he’s going to go all over the place again https://www.intothewoodsportland.com/a-therapist-cant-say-that-podcast/episode-3-9. It actually seems like absolute nonsense would be more helpful because that’s just nothing or look at the data is of where chaos had more Harmony and still doesn’t all the rules that caused world war I and the rest of them ongoing, but if someone knows the statistics the science and acts like he’s being critical but then still adds on a bunch of concocted arguments that are quite fabricated and as you say side steps and all the rest of it that can be incredibly destructive. And desperate people are going to think oh I need to try that and again all the other methods the correlate with recovery they’re push to the side because hey he got his degree and you know what. I was having a discussion about modern composers even the ones that don’t write extremely aggressively dissonant disturbing music and even when it contains melodies when they have to write a whole concerto for example it still sounds like they’re at the mall being distracted by something that’s attracted their attention because of the lights and the smell and having money and consumerism and so there isn’t any real inner form going on where everything’s related, the whole organic process of allowing what’s going on itself to speak in creative form like you do when you’re nurturing a garden and you trust nature, that’s just missing because of consumerism and convenience and distraction and…. You have it all over the place and now you can see it’s an academia because there’s enough papers and ability to turn the truth around and argue something with who knows what kind of perversion and you can read this all over the place so if you don’t want to see the truth about psychiatric medications and diagnosis yeah there’s all this media available and you can start using that for these catchphrases and everything. I don’t think Aftab knows what he’s doing at all, I’m also on auto detector when I say his name it comes up as off top…… !? The whole internet and the computer industry does the same thing every time you want to do something while every time or often enough the machinery chimes in with something that’s supposed to be user friendly so you forget what you’re doing or are distracted by some advertisement, and it just seems so easy to just click this pop this pill etc…… please don’t feel you’re obliged to listen to that whole talk I just left the link of! Probably two or three minutes here and there probably will tell you enough. I mean what the f again because now borderline personality is unhealthy attachments but not when it’s to psychiatry such as the diagnoser himself is displaying, but it is when you got away from psychiatry right!? Obviously I’m being sarcastic again…..
Sorry about the rambunctious attempted at humor I mean what are you supposed to do with this this is so effing ridiculous. I mean like after all she went through Laura is going to show up at his office knock on his door and say yeah you were right I have borderline personality disorder what am I supposed to do? I mean she has to show up at his office and display that she still has too much dependency on psychiatry in order to validate his diagnosis so he can “help” her. Let’s avoid pointing out that I’m sure she was told how many times that she needed this and this would help and that she could depend on it, but if she depended on it then there was something wrong with her not with…. No she was just given the wrong diagnosis because that’s what they need to do, give diagnosis otherwise they’re not professional, so here’s a new one that includes those who are too dependent on whatever….. This way we can include anyone for whom psychiatry didn’t work as having been too dependent on it which is part of borderline personality disorder….
Oh wow I get it! Anybody that was treated by psychiatry and managed to get away because things are getting worse, whatever diagnosis they had, in reality it was borderline personality disorder because they were too dependent on psychiatry. Somehow though I don’t think this means that everybody that was getting the borderline personality disorder will then be alleviated of any further psychiatric treatment because they were too dependent on psychiatry. They of course will be forced on very selective treatment for such a condition which is all kept under medical confidentiality I just wonder whether this means that the rest of the population that got better and doesn’t need psychiatry that this means they actually because they got better with two dependent on psychiatry which is how they got better. I mean at one point all of them should have realized the psychiatry is not working which means that before that they were too dependent on it so then they actually have borderline personality disorder…..
Lol! Yeah, she was in an unhealthy way dependent on psychiatry, but let’s give her a new diagnosis of borderline personality disorder. Does this mean she is or isn’t supposed to believe this diagnosis? Would it be healthy of her to believe it or not? Does this mean that anybody with borderline personality disorder is too dependent on psychiatry and does this also apply to the rest of the diagnosis? Does this mean that having borderline personality disorder means that you’re too dependent on psychiatry, what does this have to do with whether you believe the disorder or not? If you do believe the disorder then you’re too dependent on psychiatry? What if you actually believe you have the disorder and think you should do something about it although psychiatry handed this out to you is that again showing you have invested too much in psychiatry for help? But if you’re too dependent on psychiatry and you believe the disorder you think you have to do something about that then you’re still too dependent on psychiatry so what are you supposed to do? If everything gets worse it’s because you were too dependent on psychiatry and thus it’s borderline personality disorder, because psychiatry not working for you with the other disorder it has to be something else but it’s still a psychiatric disorder which show is it too dependent on psychiatry because you actually got better without them. But, if you get better on your own when you get away from psychiatry, do not blame that on them… But do believe you have personality disorder. What is the disorder going to be if you actually show not to have personality disorder? Does that have anything to do with ever having believed any of what went on to have such a label? They know what’s going on with you and you need to believe it but if you depend on that you have another disorder when their health didn’t work but do believe the other disorder while knowing you’re too dependent on psychiatry which gave you the second disorder already. I’ve actually encountered a sort of modulation of this from a social worker who was teaching a yoga class and if I was in class everything I did was misinterpreted as if it was some sign that something else was going on, if I actually was interested in yoga in reality I had a psychotic fixation on her. And then when I didn’t go to class because I couldn’t get there although I had tried, then I was showing that I had dangerous resentments towards her that could become violent because I didn’t show up because of some disagreement we had had. And that’s actually taking seriously although there’s no way she could know why I did not then show up in the class but she states it as objectivity: the reason I didn’t show up was……. But as long as it’s called a mental disorder, even though it doesn’t make any sense even though it can’t be objective even though they go around every corner they can imagine to try to make out that they know what’s going on and they need to have the position of being the helper……….. Someone else another dialogue here on the side I don’t even know whether it’s this discussion here but mentioned that they couldn’t even get a proper report of what a diagnosis was, and when they asked whether they were being held prisoner they were told no they were being accommodated in the asylum. And then when this person gets the paperwork from the court case the excuse that the psychiatrist gave to not give a proper report of the diagnosis was that they don’t put people in boxes. So when you’re in the asylum you’re not in a box but you’re being accommodated. I mean this is so blatantly dishonest buy avoiding any reasonable question of what athey you going on about. They can make any kind of statement: but I know this is that although I can’t substantiate it but I know this don’t ask me to be reasonable about it. Like every other social rule…. They put themselves in a box to begin with and blinders on, so with anybody still reasonable enough not to play such a game theory they of course are highly offended in ways or just have this brainwashed need, this response of having to find something wrong….. Tell people they are scientifically objective about evaluations that don’t stand up to science and wow what you can’t all get them to start going on about……
I looked at that article, where he’s, who knows what he’s doing?….. responding to Moncrieff.
He’s not even responding to what she said, he’s responding to getting hyper and bringing all sorts of stuff one might think are potentials, but for them to be such [potentials] he’d have to actually look into what potential is, and it’s not just getting hyper bringing in counterpoint.
For example:
“Important molecular imaging evidence was misinterpreted. Moncrieff and colleagues stated that reduced binding of serotonin 1A receptors suggests increased levels of synaptic serotonin, but reduced binding can also be because of decreased receptor density or affinity. Jauhar and colleagues appear to have mistakenly assumed that serotonin 1A receptors are exclusively presynaptic autoreceptors, but most serotonin 1A receptors are post-synaptic heteroreceptors. Diminished availability of serotonin 1A receptors in unmedicated depression is consistent with lowered serotonin transmission, and Jauhar and colleagues say that this is a replicated finding in people who were not on antidepressants.”
He says “Diminished availability” of serotonin etc. in unmedicated depressions is consistent with lowered serotonin. But we’re NOT told in comparison to WHAT! Antidepressants, in the beginning, they cause there to be extra serotonin because the re-uptake isn’t going on, that’s in the beginning. So, if one is dishonest, one can say voila, there’s less in those not “medicated.” And what does that have to do with pre or post synaptic, and what does this have to do with reduced binding and receptor density?
And then how the roller coaster ride continues when the body has stopped making as much serotonin. And with the whole roller coastal ride, that can’t but disrupt the whole “complicated” system he’s going on about, because that’s what disrupting natural functions of the brain does, when they have such a matrix. Calling it complicated, and Moncrief simplistic, that’s simplistic in itself. As long as there’s so much stuff going on that it’s too much to keep track off, then calling anything for what it is is “simplistic,” because you have to always say it could be some other connection.
Such “mental” striving go well with the coffee and donuts they get when having meetings, I think…..and the office chairs, and the fashion of clothes, and shoes, and being able to go home to an upper middle class house, go on vacations and….finding something to go on about for these nice pundits and their work ethic to make out they are helping you to make life easy from those nasty emotions that get in the way of the rhythm of the grind…..
And there was this other psychiatrist awhile back, who came into the discussion regarding that poor lady and what benzos did to her. He did EXACTLY the same thing as you mentioned with Delana! Oh, just make up another diagnosis, when you don’t even know the person, she has never sat in your office, never asked for it……
WHAT!? “This is especially so when we consider that the implications of hermeneutical justice are far more radical for psychiatric practice than testimonial justice, and these implications have recently been productively theorized and debated in the philosophy of psychiatry community ”
I looked up hermeneutical (also had to look up epistemic): “”Hermeneutical” refers to something related to the theory and practice of interpretation, especially of texts like the Bible or other religious or philosophical works. It essentially means “interpretative” or “explanatory”.
note: epistemic doesn’t necessary mean “bullshit” neither does hermeneutical mean “superstitious,” or even “discriminatory,” or the rest of it (resentful, suspicious etc.)
I really wonder whether such activity requires some “help” other than just ambition, or the usual attempt at heroics….to hold all of that in your head, go around insulting merry go rounds with it, and not have it questioned, or release it to fly away, there are medications for that, for all I know……I don’t know, but if that’s the case, they do seem to work…..quite fluidly
“(If you are one of those clinicians opposed to a diagnosis of borderline personality disorder, substitute it for whatever descriptive characterization you prefer for a syndrome of maladaptive traits related to the dimensions of negative affectivity, antagonism, and disinhibition.)” from that article you mentioned. That really made me laugh because he’s trying to diagnose this person or this condition or this thing of diagnosing a diagnosis and all I can think is well that really describes what you’re doing yourself. Negative effectivity, antagonism and then the disinhibition to just go on and make it sound like a bunch of fluttering cognitive meanderings and make this out to be objective observation. Do they hand out candy with these words on it somewhere between classes or something? The most disconcerting part of that whole smorgasbord of avoiding making any substantive statement was when he tried to relate his relationship with patients and Delana’s attempt to work as a peer support person. I know this myself what Delana went through, I went through this with friends and it’s harrowing. When someone has been taken in by the mental health system and they are used to functioning with a disabled brain, even though they know it’s slowing down the thoughts even though they will acknowledge how it’s holding them back, for them to actually step forth and deal with the period where the stuff that is being pushed to the side emerges and you’re going to have a real catharsis and you’re going to have to spend time really I don’t know what to call it. Reordering your life spend time by yourself and your own thoughts spend time getting used to letting go of stuff spend time outside of the Mickey mouse Disneyland avenue? Maybe it’s because the treatment didn’t completely disable their lives, and they’re still somehow able to function within the superficial parameters of we accept you now, but….. It’s harrowing, (and then one might ask whether someone who has a more serious or critical diagnosis from the psychiatrist is more likely to recover because then their life has been disabled and they’re not going to be able to take part in such superficiality but then of course those people are the ones that end up Warehoused in foster care facilities or imprisoned in what they call asylums) you actually get a conversation started where the scientific truth about the medications is acknowledged, but as soon as the parameters of adapting to a culture a community and environment that requires a person to subdue seeing what’s really going on, as soon as they have to actually articulately, allow their own brain to interact with stuff they’re not supposed to see and would cause difficulty then you get the whole parameter of adaptations and the ingrained responses of how to avoid realizing what’s going on and the standard responses of it’s not reasonable to actually take in reality but instead fill in all this indoctrinated….. And I’m at loss because I hear the word pillage in my head but I guess that’s what it is in ways: go along with the system and learn how to steal the stuff from people that actually dare to wake up and produce something meaningful. And the problem is then what I’ve encountered is that for people to actually deal with a brain that isn’t disabled they would have to stop at the same kind of avoidance of actually getting involved with anything substantive that this Aftab person goes round and round about as if this is kindness and survival and intelligent and helpful. You disable someone’s brain and what’s the difference between that and putting blinders on? The difference is that Delana actually wrote a book and the book has gotten attention beyond the parameters that the system doesn’t want this information out. Aftab then has a real problem because he’s never going to say anything that’s substantive to stick its head above the water, so yeah you get this going around in circles. And then he uses the term Moncrieff-Whitaker as if this is something negative, when his reactions actually go more along with his diagnosis of the diagnosis of borderline personality disorder (which he does as a kindness to his colleagues that if they don’t like this here diagnosis label just look at it this way blah blah blah) the way he just is negative about something it’s pretty much what he just shared is how you look at it, but if it weren’t there, what is being negative about, he wouldn’t even be able to take on this supposed act of being critical about psychiatry and get points for it. He is the one that started going on about diagnosing a diagnosis and if you don’t want to use this term look at blah blah blah well there you go, example of what he is going on about is in how he’s going on about it. And now people that really need someone to be able to talk to that is going to deal with concrete issues and has the ability to open that venue up, instead they’re going to get this reflection of the diagnosis in the person diagnosing it…. And with him of course is not that obvious so learn how to steal being human from everybody so that the only thing you have left is this…. This image of being productive…. And it’s a beautiful day now I’m going to go out in the sunshine before I start doing it myself…….
I notice with the copying and pasting, I left out my initial comment. How Aftab goes on regarding one case where serotonin releasing agent helped. !? In the long run ADs cause serotonin depletion, so what Aftab was going on about AGAIN would prove that ADs don’t help……
I wonder how much the sole thing going on is money. Because when you putts around making excuses for what’s mainstream, then there you go…..main$tream
I don’t buy everything organic, but right now I can get most of my stuff organic (with double up food bucks). But at the farmers market was a stall with apples, and I asked them whether they used organic pesticides or fertilizers (they had some sort of advertisement that looked like it might be akin, so I asked), and he says their stuff is organically made. After going round in circles for awhile, he finally admitted ( and acted worn out and exhausted that he had to admit to that, because he had been trying to hide it) that they get whatever is available at the store, round up or whatever. But he tried to make out their stuff was organically made, just like the stuff that actually then has to be organically certified…. I had enough of it. Maybe I might have asked him how his stuff is organically made but not organically certified, as if he didn’t know the difference. I also didn’t venture to add that cyanide also might be organically made, or gasoline. I had no problem however they make things work for them, but to try to lie like that by turning words around and deceiving people, as if organic certification denies who knows what, and you can ignore the difference to the mother earth etc…… and he was real soft spoken about it, like someone who is in an environment where they are resentful about those people challenging what they do. So he talks real quiet, as if he’s being sensitive, which he probably himself thinks he is being. There’s enough knowledge in how to take care of agriculture that were it more mainstream we wouldn’t be destroying the planet and still have enough food for everyone (and probably we wouldn’t have the corrupt economic system that keeps food that IS there from getting to people)…. Quite groomed I’m sure he was, about those annoying people that dismiss anything that’s not organic…..
Birdsong, I went back to that article, but I had to call it quits for today when he went on about how a seratonin releasing agent helped [he says] in certain conditions: “Colwell and colleagues used a selective serotonin releasing agent, fenfluramine, which directly elevates synaptic serotonin levels, to investigate its effects on behaviors traditionally associated with serotonin function. The study (n=53 participants) demonstrated through computational modeling that increased serotonin reduced sensitivity specifically to aversive outcomes (Cohen’s d = -0.57, p = 0.04), influencing how participants responded to negative feedback during reinforcement learning tasks. Additionally, increased serotonin enhanced behavioral inhibition by promoting more cautious decision-making, particularly reducing impulsivity during aversive emotional interference (e.g., fearful faces) (Cohenās d = 1.28, p < 0.0001). (Colwell et al,, 2024). These results suggest serotonin's role in reducing impulsivity and moderating negative emotional reactivity, possibly by dampening the exaggerated negative biases seen in anxiety or depression."
[well with the half our to edit stuff the site allows, I looked a bit more]
Again, antidepressants after a person has gotten used to them, after the initial period (I don't know what to call it, shall we say after their body has gotten so used to it that they will have withdrawal symptoms, a BIG problem when they were doing the initial trials, but then that, and all the side effects were just dismissed, side effect so bad when people had to leave the trials they just discounted that, rather than it being a negative; and when people in the non control group getting the antidepressants were having severe withdrawal symptoms, that simply wasn't shared), after the "introductory" period, the person has LESS serotonin. So, what is that statement above supposed to relate to!? It AGAIN says that antidepressants wouldn't work…..
That's just maybe a fourth into THAT article…..
He starts saying that the serotonin deficiency theory is simplistic, and that it hasn’t been held to, then he goes on about….listen, is tryptophan REALLY is something antidepressants help to not be deficient, then we would have heard about this all over the place.
And then the points antidepressants put on the table as to effectiveness, which is about as low as you can get, and he goes on about how this means something. Add to that all of the rest of the game playing. People in the control group that got better the first week or so were taken out, so that means they weren’t included with who got better without the ADs, people who had such severe side effects in the non control group that had to leave before the end, again weren’t counted (again this rigs the odds for ADs), and then they had to get people in the trials that already were on a psychiatric drug, and they had to hand out sedatives with the ADs, and then when a trial didn’t come out how they wanted, this simply was dismissed, and they rearranged stuff untill they somehow got these 2 points, along with all of the stuff I can’t say is actually honest.
I don’t think you could talk to this man without having to go around and get lost listening to him going on about stuff, and not have enough memory left over to remember where it started, in ways. That’s called confusion technique, or fundamentalism. Always something that sounds like something because it’s like a cult. In ways it points out how bad things are because for him to maintain his image he has to make out he’s a “critical psychiatrist.”
I looked up Aftab since I have never heard of him and these people are kind of scary to me I tend to avoid it, and then I found this https://www.psychiatrypodcast.com/psychiatry-psychotherapy-podcast/episode-235-serotonin-hypothesis-controversies-awais-aftab which is too full of scientific sounding like devices that I can’t make much sense out of unless s I would spend too much time with it and learn how to make deals using robotic scientific sounding jargon to hide any real communication honest people can understand rather than going on like it means something. But he goes on about trytophan depletion that he says shows up with people with depression if that is even true, as if it has anything to do with antidepressants, so I had to look up what that is and that’s a substance an essential amino acid you have to get from outside of the body since the body can’t produce it and so what does this have to do with antidepressants? I mean, at what point does an essential amino acid you get from your diet and that you might be lacking what does that have to do with an antidepressant which isn’t an amino acid nor a nutritious food. You would think that points out your diet not the antidepressant… I can’t even make out what he is going on about…
I read this a few days ago, and already had the same thoughts that I’m sharing now. Even though Gotzsche says the question is not a joke.
You know when someone usurps a condition by giving it an incorrect name, whatever they call it, this doesn’t mean that……and whatever they call it, this doesn’t change what it really is. Nor does it mean that everyone is going to believe them, and when a person is crazy or mad that they have defined what’s going on. I think there’s more flexibility there in conception, experience, perspective, understanding and insight.
Delusional, non reality based, brainwashed, etc. yes that applies, but “mad”!? Or “psychotic”!?
Years ago on Facebook some people started a group called psychotic psychiatry, but I didn’t want to go for it, also because the people to me tended to be one-sided about other things, but: I just don’t think psychiatrists have every shown much the sensitivity to be psychotic or mad. And if they ever would have they wouldn’t be acting like they are sane, and reality based, and the opposite of delusional when they make out they know what’s going on, and know how to “heal” it and don’t see the result in statistics, science, and social constructs that become extremely discriminatory etc.
A psychotic person or a mad person breaks away from statistical based norms, from consensual reality deportment, from the status quo, they have experienced and encountered things that the norm just doesn’t want to know exist, and if they do know it exists they don’t want to hear what’s really going on because it’s too disturbing to their conventional compromises, their idea of safety, their superficiality.
They to me aren’t mad or psychotic, or any of the other variations of madness, they seem to lack it.
You go to any insular setting, and you will find a community that thinks they have people akin to the great artists whose simple human expressions have passed the test of time. Simple human beings, not holy ikons, but those that allowed what gives legroom and leeway to emotions and thoughts that come out of nowhere and have no need to compromise themselves to fit in. And so nature spoke through them. But the same people in such a community heralding they have such among them, having exploited this idea of greatness, will then maybe also try to make out there was something wrong with said artists, and delve in with psychiatric diagnosis, which most of such simple humans beings have been assaulted with posthumously as if this has any meaning to begin with. So we can go back to delusional, etc. Or you might find them handing out instructions as to what kind of “discipline” one needs to become such an artist, maybe even along WITH that they could have been fixed up with: some magic psychiatric treatment. And thus they beat down any living human being interested in art, in where emotions can grow like the plants do, when allowed to, when what allows them to grow isn’t obstructed: batter them down with methods while finding any mental analyses that sounds like something more important than actual understanding of the art, and then harangue anyone who wanted to just do something naturally with such pretenses of how it’s supposed to be that any real meaning or understanding has long been anesthetized out of what would be going on would they be so lead astray. So and so is great because of fill-in-the-blank-and-make-it-sound-like-something-for-someone-that-is-that-scared-of-being-human-because-they-want-to-be-great.
If they start waking up dope them up with brain disabling magic drugs, because we just can’t have such going on, and just like magic say it’s to treat a chemical imbalance, although in reality it’s making one to disable the brain: such sterility being made out to be healing. If I would go on about it, it’s just unbelievable in ways how off these people are, what I’ve encountered. No understanding of imagination, no understanding of thought because it’s thought rather than indoctrinated produce called thought that will get approval as being reality based. It’s like the whole ground work of art through the ages wouldn’t exist. One silly brainwashed attendant I had conversation with, and said I liked to write poetry, mentioned how these “medications” would help. Yeah, we all need Handel’s Messiah on lithium, or neuroleptics, who knows what everyone else is supposed to be on (Michelangelo on antidepressants to improve the Sistine Chapel!? Mozart on ADHD medications because he could always wander away from the form, find something knew, an unsolicited theme, and get it to fit so the composition gelled!?? What was Emily Dickinson supposed to be on, and Shakespeare!???).
I used the word insular to describe what otherwise would be called provincial, but in the provinces away from the big city, thatās where one might find more of nature, and less of produced, manufactured glorification, as if a pill is more important than an herb. Out in the country also is where the Amish started the asylums that actually healed people. So thatās another word. The psychiatrists can use the word asylum, but thatās another thing they have yet to know regarding what it is.
Thanks for clearing that up, and showing how easily catch phrases are used. With the spike in the occurrence of “mental illness” people are already frantic that “SOMETHING” needs to be done. And yet what is in collusion with the spike? So then, anything against psychiatric treatment is anti-psychiatry, regardless of any data whether psychiatric treatment is making things better or worse. When one is promoting informed consent, or free choice, or valid criticism being acknowledged, or even accurate sharing of data or scientific protocol that’s untainted towards favoring one side above the other, then bingo you’re “anti-psychiatry”. In fact, you can’t point out that when someone really looks at the data, at the outcome, at the lack of informed consent, at the rise in the problem; and when they are objective about it, that the results psychiatry is getting might be anti-psychiatry in itself, were they openly and objectively shared.
Anti-psychiatry would mean someone has a bias, but informed consent, objective scientific data, pointing it out when the treatment correlates with more of the problem (and thus informed consent NEEDS to be implemented, as well as the treatment questioned and the treatments looked into when it only helps a minority); none of those things are coming from a bias at all, in fact the bias is from the people calling all of that anti-psychiatry.
Maybe one needs to simply ask them: “Are you saying I am biased when I am pro informed consent, when I support scientific protocol, when I think treatments whose outcome causes more of the problem should be looked at closer?”
How does one respond to people who have been bombarded with advertisements regarding psychiatric drugs, who have seen that every school (another poor man in the blog here regarding how 50 percent of the people on antidepressants end up being considered treatment resistant, he shared how his son simply going to a counselor who promoted ADs then said it was OK not to tell his father, then along with seeing a child psychiatrist the dosage was increased at least four fold, and the boy took his life, while his father never knew he was on what is listed as causing suicidal ideation at that age; and when neither the professional were monitoring whether such ideation occured and the father was prevented from even knowing whether his son was on something that could cause such, it was all found OK professionally), every medical establishment now asks you questions regarding depression, a metaphysical healer Charlie Goldsmith playing the game of getting into hospitals although he disagrees with vaccines and takes them just to get into the hospitals to treat people there and states this openly during healing talks, has on his website the same blurb you read everywhere steering people towards places that correlate more with causing more of the problem, and the rest https://charliegoldsmith.com/mental-health/ and in NONE of those places, INCLUDING this healer (not that the healer doesn’t get results, but he is playing political games that really can get in the way for very vulnerable people looking for help), in NONE of those places are you going to be told, to begin with, the absolute truth regarding the science of antidepressants, or other psychiatric medications, with objective untainted informed consent. And so, after being inundated with all of that, when you simply start sharing objective data, or objective scientific research, it interferes with their programming, and the feeling of comfort they had when they were told there is a solution and it’s what’s promoted as being one. And then someone who is forced, coerced or advised into treatment that isn’t working for them, they can’t express what’s going on with them without encountering the same indoctrinated responses.
Sorry, about my rather florid attempt at trying to respond, but I can summarize what I was trying to say while using autodetect and having so many thing to have to juggle regarding the plethora of misrepresentation regarding the topic, that it was difficult to organize to say the least! I do feel this isnāt completely unrelated to confusion technique where you get a person so dizzy that they give up for anything else than being indoctrinatedā¦ā¦.
1) I order to say a treatment is treating a chemical imbalance, there has to be proof that it is treating a chemical imbalance, no causing one. Scientifically antidepressants correlate with causing chemical imbalance, they disable natural functions of the mind.
2) To talk about treating a serotonin deficiency, the treatment would have to increase serotonin, this isnāt the case with antidepressants. In the first few weeks, with the serotonin re-uptake inhibited there is more serotonin, because the re-uptake has been inhibited, but after that period the body has noticed it and adjusted, and you end up with the body making less serotonin. This means that after the initial period, the medications have cause exactly what they are said to be treating.
3) In order to say that depression is linked to a deficiency in serotonin, you have to have proof that that is the case regarding depression, that hasnāt shown to be the case, there was more serotonin, less serotonin, or normal levels when this was looked at, and there was no clinical difference. When people on antidepressants have lower serotonin levels because of the medications, this also doesnāt show that depression and low serotonin are linked, this shows the medications and low serotonin are linked.
Then there are the clinical trials, beyond these distortions of scientific truth. How many trials were done were the data wasnāt shared before they got the marginal results they wanted. And how long did they suppress the data showing that antidepressants caused suicidal ideation and homicidal thoughts? In the original trials already suicides occurred. Also they had to take people out of the counting when they got better without the antidepressant, which then is called the control group. I donāt see how thatās truly honest. And then in many trials people had to leave the non control group when the antidepressants they were taking cause severe side effects. This wasnāt counted as the antidepressant not working. Then they had to give the people in the trial a sedative as well, because of side effects, so this wasnāt a trial for antidepressants anymore, it was for two drugs. Then they had to get people into the trials that already were used to psychiatric drugs, people that were used to having the normal brain functions disabled by medications, or even people that had to agree with treatment of other psychiatric drugs or they would be found noncompliant.
Can one add that the trials consisted of people that found sadness or depression so disruptive that they felt it to be a disease? Was there any attention given to the effect of allowing a person to see the depression as a normal part of life, which might have an intelligence behind: which might end up promoting empathy for people who are suffering and thus make connections, which might show a person what situation they were in that was causing the emotional response, and then tend to that (get out of the situation, put something straight with someone etc.
To make comparisons with the body being able to cause clotting to stop bleeding from a wound, or how one helps the body to stop bleeding and antidepressants, this is quiteā¦ā¦..
What would happen if 50 percent of people getting treatment for bleeding were considered treatment resistant, meaning the bleeding didnāt stop? And then were administered more treatments that again correlated with more relapsing!? And NO, this doesnāt mean that when 85% of people who donāt get treated for depression get better, that then we loose 15% (because they would bleed to death) because they needed to try antidepressants and stand that chance of going round the treatment wheel (no intention to insult axles). Or that the 15% had no other option when no treatment worked, or they couldnāt then opt for anything but suicide or homicide and thus needed treatment initially rather than no treatment, even though 85% would get better without it, despite the warning labels saying they could become suicidal or homicidal, which is what the medicines contained in the vessel with the warning label are supposed to be preventing with such necessary treatment, although the warning labels say you have to watch out that what they are meant to prevent isnāt the result.
What are you saying? Are you saying that when you take antidepressants depression and anxiety for you always stops? As you can see this isn’t always the case at all for everyone at all. What does this have to do with bleeding? Are you trying to say that for you as an MD when antidepressants stop your anxiety or depression, and this always happens, then this is different than self-medicating? Are you trying to say that antidepressants stop depression the same as when you physically stop bleeding? And thus it always stops it. It doesn’t even work to say that depression comes from a deficiency of serotonin because in the end antidepressants cause a deficiency of serotonin; after the body has gotten used to the antidepressant it stops making as much serotonin because of the reuptake inhibition. This is hardly in any way comparable to actually stopping bleeding. I think when you stop bleeding it actually stops, it doesn’t cause a body to start making more and more blood until it pops up all over the place from the pressure. Are there any more comparisons you’d like to make? If that’s what you’re trying to do? I mean, you could say it’s like building a building and antidepressants are the bricks you need. Then here we go again if there’s not enough bricks then all of a sudden for a while you have somehow more bricks, maybe it’s because they don’t go someplace else. But then after a while, the source of bricks starts lessening because this is found out, integration or re-uptake then is inhibited, so in the end you can’t finish the building because in the end this is exactly the problem that you said you began with, but hey you need bricks for a building so it’s like antidepressants. And what was trying to be built, it might be that the sadness needs to be understood also and that suppressed even simply with being labeled as a disease necessary insight and natural intelligence has never been given the place to express itself. There’s a difference between making crude comparisons that don’t really hold up to logic and reality…. There’s also actually no proof that a lack of serotonin is a physical symptom of depression, when they looked at it there was normal levels, too much, too little. I’m just using your analogy, that even as analogy doesn’t add up. To begin with, you need proof that there’s a lack of serotonin, not just some mental construct that makes it sound like you’re doing something. And stating how you are causing more serotonin to be there as being the solution to the problem, and then leaving out oh yeah but after 4 weeks or so then there’s less serotonin because the body stops making as much when reuptake it’s inhibited. And then also leave out that you don’t really have proof that a lack of serotonin was a problem to begin with, which if it was the case isn’t even what the end result is at all. And if with certain individuals, which in this case is not a majority at all, for them their depression was a real problem and antidepressants stopped it, this does not mean it’s as simple as stopping somebody from bleeding because that sounds like you’re doing something medical. Stopping somebody from bleeding is not interfering with natural functions of the brain, and neither is this something that only works for a minority of the cases would one really look at the statistics beyond the promotion of that this is the solution…… And it’s not honest
that when anyone believes this is a solution they can take on all sorts of examples because they need to let everyone know that they found the solution. True responsibility is something else. Would you truly want to help people you need to go further than just making such statements. Wanting to help people is something different than doing something to help people. To help people, what you’re doing actually has to have that affect, and not just in certain cases which given articulate cognition are a minority. The ideology that it’s treating founded chemical and balance has to have scientific proof and that doesn’t exist. When the treatment shows to cause a chemical imbalance that needs to be shared with informed consent. And when there’s a certain group of people that treatment seems to help you cannot push science to the side and start making comparisons with other treatments that do work for the majority and in general. I don’t think for example that stopping bleeding causes 50% of the people to be listed as treatment resistant. I also don’t think that when someone is bleeding and it really needs to stop that when they don’t seek treatment 85% of the time they get better. Being a medical doctor that truly heals people is more than just repeating indoctrination from the drug companies. And it certainly is more than offering well this works for me so it works all the time same as whatever else can be warped into a comparison…. No matter how strongly you feel you need to do something this does not mean you’re making things better when following an ideology that says you are.
I wish I knew what to say, I just cry reading this…..
Who is really mentally ill, the patient or the rest of them…..(!?)
They can’t see what they are doing to another person, to society!????
They can’t even read the warning labels?
They can’t see what the negative effects are?
They say they are helping a person, but they don’t even have the ability to actually
provide the space for that person to unburden himself?
I don’t know what to say about it. Their “ideology” is more non reality based, than the people they decide are “mentally ill.”
And they make someone feel there’s something wrong with them, as if when their treatment doesn’t work there’s something wrong with the patient, not the “cure,” and it becomes so embarrassing for their “patient” that…..
I don’t know what to say, I’m at a loss for words…..
I guess I don’t see how with the warning labels that are in place, although the drug companies tried to prevent it, how they can get away with supporting not telling a family member, when it’s known that these “medications” can cause suicidal ideation, and it says numerous places that that should be monitored (one would think they are responsible then to tell the family where the child lives, given the warning labels), yet they said it was a good option to not tell the family. The people they live with and thus who they then could relate to regarding what the effects are of drugs that are known to cause such!? Clearly it was not monitored by the professionals, the professionals themselves didn’t monitor it, and they prevented the child from telling his family, so the family could monitor the effects, neither did they tell the family themselves……
Isn’t that what they are required to do?
Neither do I see that failing to provide proper monitoring can be excused because it makes the drugs look bad, that then someone won’t keep trying treatment. There are already the warning labels in place.
Or if they actually take proper measures, and it’s known a person should be monitored that suicidal ideation can occur, then people not taking the drug, because it looks bad, might cause them to not heal from depression. Given looking at real statistics I don’t see that you can really back that up when being articulate and reality based……
Awhile back, someone heralding antidepressants mentioned how she couldn’t feel till she was on them. Then there was further discussion. And when I simply mentioned allowing the feeling some space to do what it does naturally, that emotions can be amazingly multidimensional. That they might just have a natural intelligence. And added more, because all art might be expressing this. And then she went on about “just a human emotion….” It’s like, did she want to feel or not, she said the antidepressants had helped her feel, but then feeling or just a human emotion…. or feeling……
It’s like people promoting avoiding a human response, because that’s just not accepted, rather than allowing it and making room for it……and it’s success to………
And when simple data is shared, and this is questioned by someone like Silvia Price trying to stereotype the people that got better without treatment as self medicating, as if the general public that simply doesn’t go for an antidepressants suddenly is full of self medicating people when 85% get better without any treatment such, or the use of the term “sizable portion” to avoid looking at the real statistics and what happens to people that DO NOT get helped, this starts to show that there is a lack of perspective, as well as bias.
When antidepressants work for you, or anyone else, this DOES NOT change the statistics regarding the general public nor does it excuse it. Nor is it objective, or science!
Why stop at questioning whether they self-medicated? Why not have the premise that then they’ve learned not to see sadness as a disease simply accepted it and it went away, as if there’s something wrong with that? Why not have the premise that a situation that is labeled as good for them like going to church or always believing what the teacher says all the time or the boss that they have stopped with such and there is something wrong with that? Clearly I’m being sarcastic. Furthermore antidepressants mess around with neurotransmitters the same as street drugs or what you call self medicating. There’s no proof that they treat any serotonin deficiency in fact in the end they cause serotonin deficiency because the body stops making as much when the re-uptake is inhibited. And you have the same problems with withdrawal symptoms and with antidepressants that can be extremely difficult as well as having to deal with clinicians that instead of helping with withdrawal symptoms or being at all educated in how to relate that as a recurrence of a disease they label as a chemical imbalance. There is no real substantive proof that depression comes from a chemical imbalance, however there is substantive to proof that the medications used to treat depression which is labeled as a chemical imbalance do not treat a chemical imbalance but cause one that did not exist before. Again there is no real substantive proof that depression comes from a chemical imbalance. That is science.
“According to the researchers, those with TRD had cardiovascular problems, functional decline, substance abuse, anxiety, and were labeled with personality disorders.” And then they got tardive dysphoria, while probably being surrounded by clinicians who act like programmed robots promoting yet another drug for treatment rather than looking at their (the patient’s) life and seeing that these people need something else besides acting like a pill (or shock therapy) is going to change your history. How oblivious do these clinicians have to be to what’s really going on with a human being to facilitate all of this? And I’m not surprised given what so many people believe. What they think will give them entrance to heaven for example because someone or some book told them that’s how it works. Well just hand them a pill and get a bunch of brainwashed people to repeat the superstition….
Birdsong, since we’ve had Easter now. And supposedly this was the “ONE” occurrence of “resurrection.” Textbook case. Institutional example.
The friend I was talking about, I had forgotten that after her “death,” I had run into her, as I wrote in the second comment back: “And she was a really really good friendā¦ actually I have seen her since, I forgot.”
It has been happening quite a bit, lately. Another thing that’s supposed to be crazy. If you know Quantum physics, the double slit experiment and how wave patterns that are at all times moving all throughout the Universe actually became particles when observed, and take in what that might mean (regarding wave patterns that move at a speed where time has stopped), then such phenomenon become something much more simple. What’s the difference between thought and what you see, and whether this becomes physical, or ever materializes to begin with? Does time have any meaning at all, regarding what comes our way in the physical, and where does it come from? If it does have meaning how can there be a limit on energy, also, which THAT rule of thermodynamics says is only in limited form? What does it have to do with our thoughts? And WHAT are all these things, these feelings these experiences, these thoughts beyond what we’re supposed to be thinking or be crowned insane, what is all of that in contrast to such connections between the mind and what one can even record because of physical perceptions?
She was the one person who when I heard she had moved on, it didn’t ruffle me because I KNEW she had always done things her way, and had had a good life. What do we take with us when we move on to the other dimension? What do we add to forever? She told me she wouldn’t want to go to Russia with the Russian language teacher we were both taking classes from because: “That would be like going there with Jesus and all of his disciples.” She actually went regardless, and had said something akin to what I can’t remember, but was like: “last time I was going to do something that I couldn’t afford it (or was it that it was possible at all) I did it anyhow.” There then of course were stories about her behavior. It might be that she then started drinking again, because that is almost enforced with social norms. But I knew she was the composer Rossini, and had mentioned this to her (we often were at each other’s necks like some opera) but I also knew she was John the Baptist’s, what I thought father, but could have been mother……
I had heard she moved on, at first had really deep resonant sleep, I would go to her place often, when I needed some place quiet, as she had a subsidized apartment. But after hearing she had moved on, I heard her say: “I guess I’m “dead” now,” or such as one would say after you’ve been told who knows what regarding WHAT that is…… It’s like you end up one place which is a reward or the other which is a punishment, and it can’t be either if it’s real……. Children have to deal with such nonsense all the time, don’t they?
So, there she was sitting there, in an area where such had happened before. Just sitting there enjoying the sun, the sound of the birds, the people at the market. It seems like it used to be that extra terrestrials from more developed communities could show up, such as would have helped to build what to this day we can’t, all of the pyramids all over the planet. Stone work we really don’t have the ability as yet, in what’s deemed possible, although there are hints like the Coral Castle in Florida https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coral_Castle that are more recent. And more. But maybe, since they are destroying so much of the earth, which does have a history, and the good stuff remains in forever, you can’t flush it down the wishing well of what everyone wishes wouldn’t happen because it interfere’s with their controls. So, it’s not “good,” it’s what one really enjoys, shows life has meaning, and isn’t about guilt, debt or ideas of loss, or any of that……
That history isn’t history anymore, it’s alive…. there she was
As Emily Dickinson said about “little John’s….” playmate
He strained my faithā
Did he find it supple?
Shook my strong trustā
Did it thenāyield?
Hurled my beliefā
Butādid he shatterāit?
Rackedāwith suspenseā
Not a nerve failed!
Wrung meāwith Anguishā
But I never doubted himā
āThoā for what wrong
He did never sayā
Stabbedāwhile I sued
His sweet forgivenessā
Jesusāitās your little āJohnā!
Donāt you knowāme?
It’s a big problem for people, Jesus was supposed to be dead, their brand of discipline using trauma, coercion, threat, fear, torture etc. it was supposed to maintain whatever they thought was the profit from it…….
Things are getting worse for them it seems…….
Not just Jesus, but his playmate’s parent (not having to totally go for the mainstream brand of it), after a few other rounds, and more……
I hadn’t cried when I heard she moved on, and at the time I ran into her it was simple normal, like it would be for any “schizophrenic.” Then it’s all integrated, I remember, and somehow start to express the “memory,” as if remembering what was there the whole time is memory, but I started to give it a place in my mind. THEN, I cried, because of the love there, and how she was such a good friend, such a blessing, and how life really is love, and how EVERYTHING we encounter is good, is love, and what we take with use to forever makes it all more than worth while, beyond any idea of whether it is or not. And it makes me want to LIVE life…… Just to do those things, like she always did. Just “something” and enjoy it, and refresh myself…..
“They invoke the Mƶbius strip to illustrate this idea. Just as a Mƶbius strip has only one side, the subject is both shaped by and resistant to the social order. Suffering, in this topology, occurs at the seam between language and what it cannot express.”
To begin with, a Mƶbius strip, even in the standard mainstream interpretation of a two dimensional something, has two sides (as if a piece of paper only has two), but it being already able to be twisted has to have depth (or to even be a piece of paper as well) so it’s at least three dimensional. And being used for thought would be at least four dimensional, here.
Listing suffering as something in a row of topics…….
Would one go to a therapist who then decides: “shall we talk about their suffering, or their cognitive abilities, or their……?” I think there’s already quite a block there. Or what would happen would a therapist ask a patient: “Well, shall we talk about your suffering, or the problems with your cognitive abilities, or maybe your emotional understanding or impact?”
Like WOW dude, I’m not a text book……!?
Would people take on the verbiage of psychiatry, and use it for themselves, and find out themselves what’s going on, this remains something different than having a “legal” diagnosis put down: what used to be on paper now probably is digital, and stored; and so what’s the difference?
I don’t know the statistics, would one look at EVERYONE using these common phrases, whether that helps them find out what’s going on and escaping the predatory behavior of what so often goes on in psychiatry, but these terms are so common now that I think everyone uses such as “depressed” or even “schizophrenic” or “psychotic” or “ADHD” or “autistic” about themselves at times.
I’m not saying that’s the predominant side of it, that then they figure it out on their own in a more natural manner, which one would HOPE is going on, just that there are more than one, also more than two……
And a lot of people use “Yankee Doodle” language…….
Birdsong, I had to laugh. There seem to be a lot of people that think there’s harm in seeing there’s more to physical life and death than meets the eye when it actually does meet the eye. I mean it’s one thing when it remains invisible but when it actually starts animating itself in the physical as well then people really start having problems don’t they? Then it’s schizophrenic or conspiracy theories or whatever…… They especially have problems wheln it shows to exist but they can’t control it to their money ambitions or territorial disputes or need to dominate and control people. And even worse than that, when it’s not going to control people with fear to their morals and limitations, people have big problems. Can’t exist. As if miracles are from the devil or something…..
Just to make sure you know I was completely joking regarding 666. Me and a really good friend were at one time making a whole book, like you would have on a coffee table, with jokes about 666. For example, put three sixes sequentially down three steps, and I called it “the descent of the beast,” and we had one in a perambulator. Still have it around here somewhere.
Unfortunately, my friend at one time was put on some sort of neuroleptic. She had moved into a new place, and thought she was being a bit florid, and unfortunately went you know where and got a you know what, and you know what. I think the only affect it had was that in the long run she couldn’t sleep did she not take it. She then had a heart attack just before covid. I think she was then already 78. I didn’t even know because her family did nothing but send her body for cadaver use at the local University’s medical department. I had been having really deep dreams, then heard she had passed on, and then heard her voice rather funny: “I guess I’m dead now,” or so. When we had talked about this she was an adamant atheist. She would say that she would become part of the earth, the sun etc. She is someone I had no sorrow for, because I knew she had a good life, despite everything, and she always did things her own way, completely. And she was a really really good friend… actually I have seen her since, I forgot.
Birdsong, I have an “important” message. Apparently, the Universe agrees with us regarding fear. Because when I clicked on this story, the listed number of views was 666. NOW it is 667. BIG CHANGE to let go of fear…… JUST IMAGINE had I not agreed with you?
That said. It remains unbelievable to me, not only how people behave, worshiping fear as a necessary tool for getting what they want, as if that doesn’t separate them from their “enemy” and in doing so limits their concepts from even knowing what they are aiming for. From not seeing themselves in their enemy, and how they invest in fear to keep that going, and kill themselves, potential, harmony and piece to keep such :justice” going to creating incredibly corrupt dark pockets in this “discipline” they say they think they need to implement this fear. You can NOT tell them they don’t know what they are doing, and you can’t tell them about the dark pockets controlling everything consequently. They would say those are conspiracy theories…
As I said: “Watch the News. Read the New York Times. And you have both factions of enemy and hero changing places on the other side so both can profit off of the gullibility of people.”
To be honest, I didn’t know the “NEW YORK TIMES” was so bad. I had gotten from my fathers books by Harold C Schonberg about the classic composers, and thought heh…… But reading this article, what they said about a whole list of things, and then other stuff not even mentioned that I know aren’t going to be reported correctly just about anywhere…….
I wouldn’t read the New York Times about ANYTHING political or scientific or medical, unless I wanted to read just one viewpoint, to see what THAT was, and would never find it having perspective… wouldn’t read it but for that one viewpoint ideology etc. Just to see what those people are saying, but I wouldn’t believe that I then knew in general…….
But that’s the way in general with such publications. Has been for years and for years. History itself. What’s in the books.
Most people are SO filled with fear thinking they have to know, have an opinion, have filled their brain with set input, or they aren’t safe, they wouldn’t know what’s going on to begin with, only see what they are told to believe.
In general it’s not believed that sacrificing a goat or a virgin is going to bring safety, that this will appease God, and yet why was this ever going on. I don’t think it was even about “God,” it was a means to traumatize people, to put fear in their lives and gain control. On the other side it was that they think they need these “authorities.” So and such is powerful because it will terrorize people into behaving. etc. etc…..
Now it’s more ideas like a “chemical imbalance,” or “terrorism,” or other “enemies,” and how much are such things produced in order to brainwash people? Mind control 101, make people think they are under attack and you can control them.
Watch the News. Read the New York Times. And you have both factions of enemy and hero changing places on the other side so both can profit off of the gullibility of people.
I hadn’t quite worked this out, I notice…. Once the psychiatrists, yet to be able to change a light bulb, and their chemical imbalance for knowledge regarding such…….Once they get that far (which as yet is of course completely mental, having added on how you change a light with what to do when others can’t understand this mental need), they intend to work on how you unclog a sink and other such riddlesā¦ā¦ since an unclogged sink has a different effect than a light not going on, they are already pondering how to engage with such a problem, but they have determined it could [have] something different than [a variation of] having a chemical imbalance. Since a clogged sink isnāt taking in what would flow into it, they think a probable cause is a fear of causing emptiness. And again, they are making headway, and thereās compelling evidenceā¦..
You see, a wheel with spokes, has to have a hole in the middle of it, to actually be functional, for an axle. The same you can’t fill up a cup that isn’t empty. And being that for them to fill the cup, or have the world spinning around their axles, and how they want to make sure that such evil influences akin to the the anti-psychiatry don’t get into axles and empty cups (what would happen to carbonation for example?) that a clogged sink has to do with?
With fear of emptiness…
But as yet, they haven’t gotten permission to pour their wisdom, or rather their method and medications into the sink, being that the intent is to unclog it [this will make your sink want to unclog and be empty to be filled with our treatment and wisdom was mentioned as part of a label]. Although they HAVE looked into advertising quite abundantly the powers of their medications to alleviate the fear of emptiness [especially regarding the fear of being empty for them] and then also the danger of being filled with the wrong treatment, but found that the sink allegory could promote people thinking THAT is where their drugs belong, once the sink is unclogged. But they are making headway in how to explain this because it is so circuitous.
I wonder whether the anti-antipsychiatry contingency is going to say that Bruce Levine is promoting taking a whack at psychiatrists whenever they try to have a creative idea in how to heal the multitudes…….
ON THE OTHER HAND!
There’s this experiment famous in psychology how when you tell people to give another person an electrical shock when they get a wrong answer, how many people keep on doing that EVEN when the person is said to have a heart problem and it’s clear they are being put in danger, although that was a setup: actually, actors. But that is FAMOUS I don’t think that ONE psychiatrist wouldn’t know about this, or almost none, since it’s part of any basic psychology course, and YET how many of them do EXACTLY that…… with their patients…….. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment#:~:text=Beginning%20on%20August%207%2C%201961,sounds%20for%20each%20shock%20level.
How many psychiatrists does it take to change a light bulb?
None of them have as yet, they are still trying to prove it has a chemical imbalance, and since that hasn’t panned out have changed-to/are-also-trying-out something called brain circuitry. But, they are making headway, there’s compelling evidence, light bulbs are complicated devices, just like the brain, which they are working on figuring out just to make sure you know HOW they are going to end up changing the lightbulb, when they have figured that out, because if your brain isn’t working properly you wouldn’t know how they change a lightbulb. They are used to trying to explain things to people, and then having to work on the problem of it not being understandable. So, they first have to make sure they know what to do would you not understand how they are changing a lightbulb, then they will actually work on changing a lightbulb, but they are making headway.
Once they get that far, they intend to work on how you unclog a sink and other such riddles…… since an unclogged sink has a different effect than a light not going on, they are already pondering how to engage with such a problem, but they have determined it could something different than [a variation of] having a chemical imbalance. Since a clogged sink isn’t taking in what would flow into it, they think a probable cause is a fear of causing emptiness. And again, they are making headway, and there’s compelling evidence…..
THANKS! I’ll refresh myself on sine and cosine and all of the geometry stuff. Because as I RECALL all they did was teach us this stuff, and make graphs, and never for any purpose….. That really helps, it makes it multidimensional, and I could look for other ways — what was hammered into my head in highschool one hour a day for a whole year — that it has purpose.
Just to be facetious, but hate speech, the different words to insult people from different cultures, races, sexual identities, ages, what’s called “intelligence,” ideas of beauty do those all boil down to the same, or it would be that psychiatric diagnosis have less insight than what’s already lack of insight?
I mean it’s standard knowledge that hate speech doesn’t define anything. Psychiatric diagnosis supposedly does. Does that make such labels worse than being wrong, being that it defines something as being considered right, but it’s wrong. I mean in general when people are treated with such there’s less recovery than when they are “treated.” But then, I might not be using the right way to point this out, whether they come out as the same “word,” as you explained, that might be that they all come out as being “a disease,” when hate speech comes out as being wrong insight.
Dear dear Andrew Seefeldt. I did a search for alternative psychiatrists in Australia, and got for example a hit for this place https://zenwavesclinic.net/integrative-psychiatrists-sydney/ I don’t know if they would be able to take over your case, and listen to your story, and help you thus. But it’s worth a try, perhaps. You aren’t alone, we’re with you. There’s always an answer, despite it’s “crazy” to think so. All that can happen within this “impossibility” called “crazy”…… Don’t give up……
Just to be clear, although I’ve already responded quite floridly, what I was referring to regarding that there’s too much focus on the physical, I was not saying that one should disregard what psychiatric medications do, and herald how they suppress “symptoms.” One CERTAINLY should not discount that statistically everything gets worse in the long run. What I was saying that if someone actually allows some legroom for whatever was initially going on to look for treatment, and instead want to understand why they just aren’t fitting into what’s called consensual reality deportment, statistical based norms, or the status quo, or even their idea of how life was supposed to play out, that perhaps allowing that, and not wanting to fit in will do more for them than they could have conceived of in thinking it was disrupting their life.
I wonder if it’s too much to explain this, because I’m interested. How does it turn out that all these different psychiatric diagnosis which clearly are supposed to be separate distinct diseases, how do they turn out to be the same word? I mean, we all sort of know this that they aren’t really based on concrete science, and there’s no consensus between different psychiatrists that they end up diagnosing the same symptoms with the same disease, but how does that turn into them all being the same word?. If it’s too much to explain don’t worry about it I’m just curious.
Um, someone goes to a psychiatrist because they have something going on in their life, or others think there’s something going on. Whether they feel they are traumatized, or people in their environment think they are crazy (or even stuff that happened they can’t talk about, with others, and think the psychiatrist will help); and then would the psychiatrist come along with: “oh,we’ll fix this, we’ll traumatize your brain too, then you’ll have a traumatized brain and an environment that’s……”
My first therapist I had (after years and years of staying away from any of them I heard of a place that was reasonably alternative), who was a real piece of work. She was so impressed with me, she wanted to use me as a peer, was going to start her own company, and has since. But after telling her all I knew regarding antidepressants, she said she wanted to start the company so that supposedly vulnerable indigenous people could get antidepressants earlier (!?!?!?!?!?!?). She saw some kind of profit from such, and wanted to see whether I would be for that, she KNEW what I said, I had clearly explained the science of it. No, I didn’t become one of her workers. But we had talked quite a bit, and I had told her stuff regarding what’s going on in secret government programs, or something to that extent (I don’t even really remember what I said, I think mind control), and she ended up in a plane going back from applying for some position in California, and the guy next to her was a psychiatrist, she found out, and started telling him about what I had told her. He told her that that stuff really goes on, apparently he had people coming to him regarding such…….
How is HE going to help them traumatizing their brain even further, with meds” not that I know whether he did that but……. Go to a psychiatrist because something is going on in your life you can’t talk about and you stand the chance of…….
I was just brushing my teeth, by the way, and then remembered this also, after realizing, one goes to a psychiatrist and…. and then this story. I know that stuff goes on regarding such programs also…….. But you just touch in with this prevalence of hidden stuff regarding psychiatry, words warped to be used to do the opposite of what they mean, a labyrinth of of crazy assumptions, or outright deceptions, people doing things detached from the outcome calling others non reality based…. I just touch in with it, and there I go with a whole cascade or memories and then yet again another realization of how “crazy” it is….
Still, from all of above and how you honored me with a quote, but I still think that we’re not dealing with physical disease, and even, for those that have got stuck in the system and have said damage, to focus too much on the physical part, might be getting away from what can heal. Because the real “symptoms” of “mental illness” can be stuff that leads back to what’s beyond the physical, and EVEN with the horrible damage psychiatric drugs can cause, and the trauma of treatment, when that stuff that was originally there is allowed FINALLY the space to express itself, it can possibly balance all of that out in a way that wouldn’t be happening if the focus remain on the damage the psychiatric drugs caused…. There’s still something beyond all of that, I think IMHO… a lot of people have recovered, perhaps more than even physical science should say was possible given the damage the drugs do, not that I’m EXCUSING such damage it’s just……. Maybe what was going on was never a disease to begin with, and didn’t need…… there is that element also
Thanks Kat, I try. You brought it up how even the symptoms that emerge from the “medications” are something else than what was there in the first place before such disabling of natural functions. And then the psychiatrists don’t even see what’s coming from the “medications,” and tally that up as more of the original “disease” emerging.
One tries to use a word like “disease” or “symptom,” and….. the symptoms of the real disease (drugs disabling natural functions) are made out to be symptoms of what was made out to be a disease but was trauma expressing itself (so it can be known, so one can heal knowing), or the “symptom” was simply someone that had perspective beyond what’s considered possible is a supposed symptoms…..
Thanks for pointing that out, because I would say that too, that the drugs cause mental illness (longterm, side effects, withdrawal symptoms, etc.), but then I wasn’t always separating the two. Because of what the drugs do to people, and THEY [the psychiatrists] call it mental illness, and even THEY would they have their eyes open or were they interested in reality could SEE what’s happening, which expresses itself scientifically and statistically, and so one would think you could say to them: “EXCUSE ME your treatment is causing what you say you started treatment for…….” But even beyond that the disease the drugs cause can be proven to exist, the other can’t really. So, it’s even the psychiatrists listing yet again something else, what THEY caused in their treatment, as yet again needing treatment… as if it’s the same thing, and they don’t even see they are causing it, something else, and label it as what one couldn’t really call a disease to begin with. But what the drugs cause IS a disease. So what is “mental illness” the epidemic of psychiatric drug use? THAT would perhaps be accurate. Get rid of the medications, and there wouldn’t be what’s verified to be a chemical imbalance in “mental illness.” There are verifiable chemical imbalances coming from the
medications,” if you want to get rid of that, and treat chemical imbalance in “mental illnesses” get rid of the medications. THAT would be taking what they say they are doing, and being rational with it. Being sane with it. Being reality based with it. You can’t even express the truth, can’t disagree with them (one has to say not all of them, but there you go, it already isn’t about science) without them calling you non compliant, or having anosognosia, ODD. A danger to yourself and others etc… because of what THEY have caused, and you’re not going along with that, for them to see if you end up in the nice cubby hole of complacent compliance, the minority they cherry pick ( I wish I could find a better way to describe this, as I love cherries ) to force it on others, while the majority is consistent with the spike, the epidemic…. Despite that we do have insides, there is an anatomy there…..
I haven’t even been psychiatrically drugged, by the way. I only remained with said “symptoms” and was put on disability. I was just disturbed, at first when diagnosed, like anyone, but then given the situation my brain had to start making up whole figurative arrangements of inner experiences that were so beyond societal norms it scared me, unfortunately, and then one needs a health brain to figure it out. And by some magic of chance I managed to somehow avoid forced treatment, just by a hair’s breadth sometimes, it seems. And it takes a healthy brain to figure out what’s going on, or just to allow the brain itself to find answers, with all the amazing abilities the brain has, what we are given as a gift….. And it’s worth figuring out, it’s amazing and awe-inspiring how what’s made out to be something crazy to turn off is something completely different: perspective that’s liberating, florid, an expression of who we really are, what happens by itself…..
If the symptoms of mental illness are warning signs, or beyond that the beginning of how you transcend trauma, what “psychiatric” medications do is actually cause trauma, to the body, and also to the emotions, and so again these social fabrications that everything is wonderful, and if you show signs of making society loose it’s grip on its fantasies that it’s all ship shape (as long as you get the rewards for being brainwashed), then, then you supposedly have a mental illness when not supporting said fantasy, and then you get further traumatized by treatment. And then we can go back to whether trauma creates mental illness, but then you have to see it as a mental illness rather than what it is.
“Sadness” “not being able to concentrate” “supposedly non reality based thoughts” thoughts which in reality are more thoughts than the programming that’s supposed to be attached to the physical (or it’s non reality based supposedly again), or just programming in general (thoughts which aren’t thoughts) which is how often is it NOT even attached to the physical it uses to be objective but just more social constructs such as take a pill and it will heal you, kill the enemy (isn’t he then also supposed to want to kill you and see you as such) etc. etc. “do what the boss says, he’s the authority, or the school or the church…..” Even grief for example, in ways I wonder what is going on, even myself, whether it’s we’ve lost part of ourselves and miss it in others who have gone back to the source, and thus we’re reminded of the love there….. or it’s just a remembering of the value in life, but it’s all transcending to another level, not something to turn off, as if it can be turned off, and that’s what the drugs are doing…. we’re meant to see the value in life, all of it, no matter how we would have wanted it different when it’s completed safe in forever to grow there without interference….. But even something completely labeled as “delusions” or “non reality based” or psychotic” etc. can have more of a poetry or resonance or when looked at can be more reasonable than what’s considered sane, because it relates to thought not to programming, and the craziest thing could have a symbolism that when understood changes a person’s inner ingrained reflexes (because it’s relating to the inside, but as soon as it’s not understood by others they get alarmist and it’s a mental illness, as if we have no insides), change your reflexes by looking at the inside and it changes the future and so is more objective than anything tangible to what’s called reality, while that “reality doesn’t have such a relationship with the meaning of life, time, certainly not the future other than what’s made out to be safety will cause the problem to repeat itself…… Or even just symptoms that these medications aren’t helping, they don’t treat a chemical imbalance, then programming would say that’s anogsognosia, when in reality the anosognosia is not being aware of what the drugs do, or not being ALLOWED to be aware. That’s oppression. Does someone get “psychotic” because of antidepressants that’s a WARNING signal what the trauma is they aren’t supposed to see is from the antidepressants, and the antidepressants could be because someone got on ADHD meds and started having repetitive behaviors which was labeled as yet another “symptom” of a mental illness rather than AGAIN a sign the medications were traumatizing….. All sets of behaviors that really are annoying for society, like the one organism of a group that starts to evolve from the rest (and is in touch with the future needs), that gets targeted for not being part of the program. Not part of the complacent mob. Or when a simple warning light or signal goes on. A smoke alarm, and people turn it off and act like everything is fine, when a fire could be on the loose; or in a car, when you need oil or brake fluid (I don’t drive don’t really know so I’m improvising), but then turn it off and you don’t have that annoying flashing light but the car starts breaking down after awhile. What warning signal are you going to turn off then? The car can’t function anymore. But with “psychiatry” there could be a whole matrix of warning signals all turned off till the next one emerges until the body breaks down. And the real warning signals are made out to be something to turn off while society enabled by psychiatry creates these fake warning signals involving “symptoms,” making society quite paranoid and alarmist. That’s ignoring what the medications are doing, or in the beginning why a person was having “symptoms” which were an attempt the brain and the soul have of warning there’s something going on. Then you have the vehicle damaged in another way when the warning signals weren’t attended to, the response trying to again warn what’s REALLY going on.
And what are these “symptoms” that start the whole domino effect until the vehicle is destroyed. It could be trauma, something they can’t express yet and get no help with understanding the symptoms (can a wound have symptoms also, and not be a disease? If you know what’s hurting you, what’s causing the wound, then you know rather than be unaware to get away from it or make it stop or take other measures) or it could just be someone knows something that’s considered out of bounds. Even at a precognitive level, or what is supposedly impossible to know although it pans out like psychic senses. People tend to turn off, that’s also too much for their “safety” to fit into the norm. And so it can be traumatizing even knowing such things and wanting to find where you can express them, or something on the inside emerging that tries to point out what needs the space to emerge. What needs to be understood at a cognitive level where the “symptoms” are pointing out something’s going on. Whatever is going on, the “psychiatric symptoms” could be what the soul and brain do to transcend trauma, which is hardly a disease, but then you add psychiatric drugs and more trauma, yeah, you’re going to have the brain disabled, all of the symptoms, and these ARE symptoms (symptoms of a disease, not a wound, a wound isn’t a disease) as you quoted from Breggin: “symptoms similar to those of someone with a traumatic brain injury after one month on these drugs. After a few months, individuals will exhibit a limited repertoire of verbal, emotional and behavioural responses. Frequently misdiagnosed as āmental illnessā, these manifestations are due to the personās drug-induced cognitive disability: a chronic brain impairment directly attributed to their psychiatric prescription (Breggin, P. (2012).” and then you have the stuff labeled as symptoms (of a disease rather than trauma needing attention or a wound) which are the warning signals, the brain and the soul trying to get away from, transcend the trauma, to warn the self something is going on, and that’s then labeled as the disease, rather than………
And the most insane thing is how they try to make out they are tending to emotional wounds, or such trauma, and then in reality traumatize the brain (and the emotions themselves whose expression is made out to be a disease), all while saying they are treating trauma……
Like creating a chemical imbalance saying they are treating one, and then like you said, the disabling of the brain can be seen as negative symptoms of say “schizophrenia” or any of the “diseases” that a person can’t take care of themselves anymore ( I wonder what the rising costs are, someone on usually 1000 dollars of medications, and then the extra money from the state to be warehoused in foster care like labrats, is that like $4000 a month? 3000? 5000? 2000? along with their advertising, the everything of people maintaining this on all sides, which often makes out it’s charitable and Hollywood chimes in with their “celebrities”… how many people have ended up shuffling around such?)……. and then what is any dissent from that? ODD, OCD, anogsognosia (which I already mentioned), non compliance, being “weird”, being ridiculed, being shunned, bizarre alarmist ideas others have along with totally unreality based conclusions gossip and propaganda……… and you’re supposed to want to be part of such a “society” in order to be “functional” safe” and “sane”!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
While the edit function is still on, as I was doing dishes thinking about how much this all costs. If there’s just 1,000,000 people that cost the government 1,000 dollars (often the “meds” alone are that much, I don’t know how much the “gov” pays for that but…..) that’s one billion. Add everything else, then estimate the loss of intelligence, functionality, ingenuity, evolutionary value with the disabling of natural functions of the brain, and added to that the phobia in society against anything that’s not part of the programmed norm adding to this loss with the amount of people who aren’t even taking disabling controlled substances called psychiatric drugs but still turn off part of their brain, their self….are controlled by fear (and social norms and lobbying) and ignore the warning signals………… are we at a Trillion yet?
Dear J Munro, all the years I’ve been going through what I’ve been going through, I have frequented drop in centers for marginalized, or people with a mental health label. I have to a bit stop myself from going florid would I starts to say what I’ve seen regarding what you’ve mentioned regarding “deep muddy waters,” and then also how both you and your husband had started giving in to the system, because things got so bad, and you didn’t know it was the “medications.” Somehow you got out, and the truth of what was going on dawned through. What I’ve seen in drop in centers though, over years and years of encountering very very human people is heart breaking. I’m just glad you got away from such “treatment.”
As is the case to often all over the place, workers at drop in centers can be TERRIBLY misinformed regarding medications, especially when they are given to people already labeled as being disabled. All they see is withdrawal symptoms would someone want to get off of what’s disabling them, and then people that remain compliant are rewarded, just like you see in any environment where you get a pat on the head for being part of the gang. It was shocking for me, what happened when I simply mentioned people getting off of their medications. Someone on antidepressants had come to the head of one drop in center, trying to get off of them and all she could do was cry, which was the head’s reason to not even have any group to help people (as if everyone would have such a reaction, the person went back on the meds, I donāt know how a group helping people would disrupt THAT, but the head was on antidepressants I found out). Other than that it was a nice lady, but she herself was on antidepressants, her children also, her husband had committed suicide, and then there was no mention why HE would have done that, or the environment etc. A bit of stuff going on in the background here. As you see, I start going on about this and it gets florid. Other workers, you couldn’t get them to even acknowledge what withdrawal symptoms had to do with it, or that the medications caused the chemical imbalance which hadn’t existed before “treatment” by any discernible disease. etc. etc. Some workers of course were on “medications” and couldn’t get off of them but to me clearly depicted behavior that would explain their problems, and their addiction to a disabled brain. I couldnāt get them to be articulate beyond a certain point, regarding all sorts of stuff. I got one lady off who was a secretary, and she had done this quietly, I think first denying it, and then she left the place. She had gotten herself off of everything, and just said something about the “government,” and that she wasn’t going to take a bunch of stuff they paid for or something to that extent. At that drop in center there were people stuck in the system, even got rewards for playing the part of a poor helpless sort of pet of the system, until they really expressed what was going on. One guy who everyone thought the cutest, and would make little paintings with cute sayings on it was adored by everyone, but then one day he wasn’t so nice. He must have had irritable bowl syndrome from the 1000 dollars of meds he was on, which is easy to look up or know, and he actually had erupted, I think with the anger, frustration, oppression of what at one moment the feeling of that was, and actually taken a bowl movement out of his pants and thrown it at the wall or something. He of course was simply barred from the art room, no one ever looked into why he would do that, there was only extreme gossip regarding him. I could go on and on. And I’m not condoning throwing your sh@#$@#()t at the walls, there just was absolutely no perspective on it, and anyone a bit enlightened would start to see further. You disable someone’s brain from even knowing what’s going on, tell them lies about chemical imbalances not saying the only real proof beyond that con job is the drugs cause chemical imbalance by disabling natural functions of the brain, and then the abusers are suddenly heroes taking care of these poor victims while they are part of the system abusing them and keeping them down. It’s hair raising, just to see that, just to see how brainwashed people are. At another drop in center, where it was better in ways, but not too much, there were numerous people who would come there who some time in their life years and years ago had had an extreme emotional reaction, a normal reaction to something in their life. Whether this played out in a fantasy for a day, or just they themselves feeling there was something wrong with them, they ended up somehow being predatory to the mental health system, and went from point A to B to C to D until they for the rest of their life ended up in foster care facilities with nothing to do the rest of the day but go to a drop in center. Who knows how they’d been used as lab rats for some, as the drug companies always said, elusive chemical imbalance they were sure they would find, they had compelling evidence, they were making headway, the brain is a very complex organ etc. etc.. I would try to talk to these people, but there was no ability for them to even realize what really happened, how there was never any real understanding of what had happened to them years ago, or they maybe didn’t even really remember other than that they had been deemed mentally ill. And none of them had any real symptoms at all anywhere anymore, other than they thought they couldn’t take care of themselves, or were so doped up they wouldn’t be able to. Or theyād have their medications changed, who knows why, maybe they said the wrong thing to the psychiatrist about who knows what like āI get anxious when I hear the news,ā and so one lady suddenly was falling asleep all the time, because of the meds, somehow this had been resolved, I donā t know how. At that drop in center there had been a head of it that would understand the truth, but I have to stop going on about other things there that were ridiculous or add two more pages….. People that had simply given up on life, didn’t have any symptoms anymore, but acted like good little children, a bit comparable to obeying church rules or what have you I can’t think of to make comparisons with (going to school every day, watching the same movies and TV everyone else does?)….. and went around circles believing…….like actors playing a role, but not even one that had any real meaning……. One can only wonder what a percentage of the “success” stories the system puts out come from such people.
“muddy waters” and I’m only really taking this lightly what I’ve shared….
Then there are the stories of the people that didn’t make it. The mental health system would say they need more ability to force treat people, more research along the same lines where their ideology hasn’t worked out, but the “ideology” sounds good. “Chemical imbalance,” lets forget that the drugs cause that, and that’s science, but lets make out we’ll find it in the disease, which has never emerged yet. A friend of mine who I knew for years, saw her struggle trying to find equilibrium. She could be fine for years, even have a job, a house, a car, friends. Then something would erupt. She just wanted to be normal and it wasn’t working. She had come from a tumultuous family where the father was violent towards the mother, and I’ve detailed in another post how the mother then tried to coach her that the father had sexually molested her, and a “therapist” also, who could just put forth his suspicions. It turned out it was during a time when she was on a boat trip with the father and a sailor had sexually molested her, but for years, again the muddy waters. And of all things, the stuff with “the system” started when she went to college. From what she told me all that was going on was that she was kissing a boy in the halls, and a friend of her father’s, who was a professor, saw her, and called him up, and they had her committed. The father, mind you, was a notorious womanizer, actually. The poor girl ended up being carted around for a year in different institutions, which the rest of her life seemed to be exposing what that does to one. FOR A YEAR because she had been kissing a boy in the halls, and some teacher thought this shows some sign of who knows what, to have that turn into a whole faction of other “professionals” making up who-knows-whats for a whole year. There was then the anger against the system, the loss of understanding regarding how the “medications” kept her from finding equilibrium and the abject fear of what happens when she would lose it, and then the part of her that just wanted to be normal. I know what it’s like, you look at everyone else being able to be a cog in the wheel, part of the machinery, and then you see how you’ve failed, until you just finally start seeing what’s really going on despite that like 95 or 99% of the people “making it” are a bit too much akin to androids, and you could get them to believe anything just as long as they get rewards from the system, regardless of science, truth, real insight etc. Lilly would say she just wanted to be normal. A fantasy she couldn’t let go of. https://www.lifestorynet.com/obituaries/lisbeth-lilly-lipke.29513#memories And when you read her obituary, when it says: ā.We thank all of you, especially those who were so present with Lilly this past year and month. You know who you are and no words can adequately convey our gratitude for your kindness and love.ā those actually are the people that once again had her committed, force committed into an asylum, into a situation that had caused the problems, and I had warned them what might happen, that they would lose her, and had tried to state clearly regarding the science of what was going on. In fact, she had fled her house. They had invited me and her for tea and some cake, because they wanted to confront her, they got us into their house, then asked me to leave because they wanted toā¦.. I said that was funny (they had lied to me) said I wouldnāt do that, and left. I waited a few minutes, and she came BOUNDING across the street in terror, tried to get away on my bike which was locked, instead pushed down on the pedals so hard she broke her achilles tendon, and a sort of chase scene ensued. They invaded her house, acted like eager pundits to get rewards, called her case manager, and then I had enough of it, called to THAT house where one of those āfriendsā answered, and said that Lilly clearly didnāt want them in her house, and if they didnāt leave I would call the police. Then the lady who had answered the phone said in a sarcastic tone: āOh, would youā¦..?ā And I knew theyād lay a whole schpiel on the police. So I never called the police. But then I was passing her house, and the police were there, the whole dark cloud around it. Lilly of course by then quite disassociated emotionally from what was going on, talking to the police, saw me, and said to a police man who I was, and that I was a really nice person. The policeman then told me to āmove onā or Iād be arrested. I asked whether I could ask him why, and he said I would be disrupting an investigation. So, I went home, and there actually called non emergency police to tell them the facts, of how people had trespassed into her house, etc. the police at the non emergency desk then told me she had been doing things which she hadnāt. TOTALLY DIFFERENT POLICE also. They said she had been taking off her clothes in public. Turns out later that wasnāt true, but as soon as she FLED these āfriends,ā the FIRST THING one of them said is that she was taking off her clothes, running around naked. Apparently, they then feel free to tell the police this, which is a lie. And I have to say that I havenāt really heard ANY stories regarding someone being committed where there isnāt such going on, whether much more minimal or worse. This ācouldā happen so it is happeningā¦. And people have done, and do this to me. ADDED to that, when she was in the asylum, because her achilles tendon was ripped, her leg was swollen up to the knee, and in a āmedicalā setting they NEVER even looked at it. DESPITE it was swollen to the knee. In a medical setting! The result was that when she got out, she couldnāt walk properly anymore. But they did actually drug her up so that when she was feeling āniceā enough to convince them she was OK (she actually told me later she knew how to do this), I was told she wouldnāt even remember if she had taken her pills or not. I never asked why she was supposed toā¦ā¦ In the beginning her friends were all coming at me, like I was stupid or impossible, and I was told: āLillyās not taking her medications,ā and I replied: āThey donāt work scientifically or statistically.ā I should have said something regarding whether they could help her get OFF of them, say titrate etc. And later one of them actually AGREED with me that the pills only make things worse, YET they had her committed. Her mother ALSO, who said sheād looked into it and the only way, according to her, Lilly could be helped was in a very expensive place, like for Hollywood people, and they couldnāt afford that. Instead she AGAIN had her daughter committed. And it was a whole GROUP of people, if they had collectively actually cared to read the material regarding the āmedicationsā the ātreatment;ā how to help someone that the treatment hadnāt worked for, how to help them would they want to get off of said ātreatment,ā had allowed Lilly to just say whatever was going on instead of scaring her that ended up being what it wasā¦ā¦. It was a whole group of people, many of the agreeing regarding the āmedications,ā what might have happened where they not aggressively against and condoning violence AGAINST the truth when it wasnāt convenient to them? The last time I talked with her, before she committed suicide, she showed me how she couldnāt sit still, and her arm would start shaking, then told me how the psychiatrist at the institution had said: āYou either take this, and that and that, or youāre not getting out of here.ā and so she was on a whole cocktailā¦..Old story, whole history of what CAUSED the problems they were supposedly fixingā¦.. A different friend of hers I ran into a few times walking his dog a few years ago told me she had been to him, had gone to a doctor, and the doctor said they couldnāt fix her achilles tendon anymore. The friend had tried to tell her that she should try another doctor, but she had become so despondent by thenā¦ā¦
She told me that when they confronted her, having to deal with all of such, she had told them she was the second coming. What does A Course in Miracles say regarding the second coming? One of her āfriendsā being someone who said she liked A Course in Miracles, and when I had some minor critique of it wouldnāt hear it: āThe old view of the Second Coming saw evil as a real force with a terrible energy of its own, a will in opposition to God, a will which had to be combated and overcome. The Course, in seeing the Second Coming as the correction of mistakes, does not see evil as a real force. Darkness is not aĀ thing, a substance, it is merely the absence of light.ā āthe Second Coming is the return of our awareness of our true Self.Ā ā You can do a google search with āWhat does A Course in Miracles say about the second coming,ā and you get all sorts of replies akin. Some guy who was supposed to be so āChristianā teaching in a āChristianā college immediately said he would call the police, etc. Later, during the chase scene, when I told him that they were harassing her, he actually tried to threaten me with calling the police, and I asked him for what, telling the truth, than he got dramatic and told me to stopā¦ Stop with what? Telling the truth? That being BEFORE I found out they lied to the policeā¦ā¦
Well, and so whatās the second coming? One day, I wanted to go to the beach and thought I would ask Lilly to take us, since she had a car, then within a short time she called me talking about going to the beach, that we had a conversation about this. I didnāt disqualify that I had thought about it as a conversation, but she responded a bit tragic, as if that was too muchā¦..
I was involved with yet ANOTHER āspiritualā healing group, and beforehand thought Iād contact Lilly, again in my mind. Not even thinking about what I just shared. And THAT group was about near death experience stuff, so I thought Iād ask Lilly what Heaven was like. She told me that the good things remain, it grows. I imagine like the flowers each Spring. The grow, the remain, become part of foreverā¦ā¦. They donāt flush down the whateverā¦ā¦ā¦
āthe second coming,ā that was put in an asylum for saying soā¦ā¦ā¦.
Another friend of mine, who is stuck in the system had called me up: āLilly committed suicide,ā and I said and thought: āSheās not dead, sheās just not in the mental health system anymore,ā and then, after that brief call, I took a wand I had, waved it in the air, and there was a holographic image of Lilly, and she wanted to know how I did that. I didnāt reply but with a dimple, and I demuredā¦..
How that works it ways through the consciousness. Sometimes I thought that she had somehow reanimated the body, after it was pronounced dead, and there was this wonderful community that allowed her to survive, like a conduit showing thereās another way. Consequently, sometimes I saw her there, when probably it was her spirit body, and didnāt find it necessary to separate that from the physical, so thought thatā¦ā¦.. Obviously it wasnāt necessary for me to see herā¦. But that doesnāt mean resurrections donāt occur, even on THIS earthā¦…
I don’t even know what to say about this. Treatment for schizophrenia statistically in the long run makes things worse. Now they find it feasible to listen to some machine that is 90% of the time wrong so what is this going to do the whole epidemic they’ve been making, and thus more schizophrenics because of more treatment and then they’re going to get more drastic trying to prevent all of this by causing more of it? And then when they bleep in hearing voices this more accurate but does that say about society? Aren’t hearing voices something that goes on inside yourself or you’re trying to process something ,God forbid. No you can’t process anything you have to be told what stuff is for example one is supposed to believe all this and not look at how ridiculous this is all going on about 90% accuracy on a machine for a disease that basically is fictitional in ways, where the treatment causes more of the problem… Just add concepts such as drugs artificial intelligence and voila…… Oh this is feasible…. !? We’re making headway. There’s compelling evidence that……
After reading the last comment of mine, it being posted I think I need to clean that up.
My point was that itās like a lobbyistās dream when the treatment they are promoting is hidden to be statistically in correlation with the spike of the problem. When you donāt tell people that the medications cause chemical imbalance, but tell them that they treat a chemical imbalance to make them keep taking the medication, then youāve hidden whatās really going on. And then they add on the untruth that itās like diabetes medications. Or any other medications that actually does treat scientifically a chemical imbalance rather than causing one to suppress āsymptoms,ā of whatās labeled as a psychiatric condition. If short term, the brain disabling affect of causing a chemical imbalance suppresses symptoms, this trumps the fact that in the long run, the chemical imbalance brought on by the medications makes everything worse. And then people become more and more paranoid of any symptoms of mental illness, because of the spike. In themselves and in others. The media chimes in and highlights bad cases, often people that already were treated in a way in correlation with the problem to say that that means more treatment rather than what science and statistics show. They fail to see the difference between what the medications cause and what life itself causes. And then people who at first had what life causes end up having what the medications cause, and so people think itās all part of the same ball game, when in reality without the medications added thereās more recovery of what life was causing. Statistics show that, but not if you say that people are discovering they have chemical imbalances to excuse giving them one with treatment, and lie to them otherwise they wonāt continue treatment.
And people are totally brainwashed, their first knee jerk reaction, if not enlightened, is to believe what correlates with the spike of the problem, what correlates with causing the paranoia they have, that this is how to get it to stop. And they think they have to implement that, police it, convince others, politically get the system to be able to force treat others.
And these violent acts of supposedly āuntreatedā mental health patients werenāt occurring BEFORE they were ātreatedā to any degree comparable to whatās also become a whole spike. Cat has nicely shared studies that prove correlation, simply with the medications. I donāt think that was there before the implementation, and YET itās mainly made out to be what would stop it, when thatās AGAIN the same series of 1) create short term suppression of symptoms 2) say itās treating a chemical imbalance while knowing itās doing the opposite 3) profit off of the phobia when things get worse, which correlates with the āmedicationsā not the ādisease.ā 4) fill corporate media with scare tactics, while suppressing those that are part of the statistics that recover without āmedicationsā while without the āmedsā thereās more recoveryā¦. 5) when putting a person on medications make sure it falls under medical confidentiality, so that one canāt really determine causality.
Can you imagine the same going on with say heart medications, or any other where thereās compelling evidence there could be a causal link, but the information is withheld. I actually a bit cringe using the word ācompellingā because how often this was used all the years the drug companies made out they would find proof thereās the chemical imbalance going on that their drugs fix, but they havenāt been able to. THAT they will look into and find nothing, but the other side they donāt even considerā¦…
We always have to hear stories of how this drug helped so and so, while at the same time, someone who got off of their drug often has to do it without telling the psychiatrist, or their family, and thus falls off of the radar. Also the whole spectrum of treatments that arenāt drug related, or arenāt given WITH drugs, or could be INSTEAD, this isnāt even really offered, so no one really knows what would have happened to the cherry picked minority where the drugs have helped, one doesnāt know if something else would have helped them, and then beyond that the drugs are still available. Which is another thing, we canāt speak the scientific truth or we are keeping people from their drugs, we are saying all drugs are bad, we are saying psychiatric drugs donāt work. No, we are honoring science. Logic would say there would be less, it also says there would be more recovery if different methods were available, certainly methods that correlate more with recovery in the long term, and then the drugs are still there. But one canāt say all of that without it being put forth that then we arenāt doing anything. A person is considered non compliant, or just not valued for their input when they havenāt gone the drug route. How many people, given how the system works, stopped taking the mediation without their psychiatrist knowing it, and THEN he found them showing signs of recovery? And then they got out of the system. Or they just stopped going to see the psychiatrist. Robert Whitaker just did an interview where Courteny Harding revealed that EXACTLY what I said was going on with many of those who had recovered and gone off of their meds, because they at first didnāt want to say they had, then showed them drawers full of medications they had never taken, but had picked up at the pharmacy because the ācommunityā would otherwise have problems. If she hadnāt been able to hire people who knew how to relate to those that had recovered, who made them feel comfortable enough to confide, without such sensitivity this information wouldnāt have turned up. How often is that going on where the information remains hidden?
Thatās one of the first things police ask you, because Iāve had them ask me, whether Iām taking āmedications.ā I lose track of how many times people just say: āheās crazy.ā People I donāt even know. Iām also not ever supposed to have recovered, you know, from things that happened decades ago. I was just riding my bike around, once, someplace I used to go, and I hear: āheās crazy!ā and then āHe saw usā¦ā¦.ā as if Iām some target for the same āentertainmentā people go to a spook house for. For the most part, they are quite totally out of their minds. I had a bad tooth infection, it actually became abscessed, and had been that way for a couple of years, I was stubborn about it being healed with alternative methods or a miracle. Found that colloidal silver kept it at bay, although it was holding me back. Then I found a healer lady Carol Everett Healing Sanctuary and following her instructions within 3 months it wasnāt holding me back anymore, although it showed up in x-rays for a couple of years still, but since is gone, which is supposedly impossible. But in the interim, I was going to a church, and was talking in store with the store keeper about Jesus. And I was of course rather animated about it. Iām not all that gun ho about Jesus, by the way, because there ARE others, and THEY have helped me more, but Jesus is part of it. But there are others who didnāt play media games becoming āthe saviorā and making alliances with powers in the Universe to resurrect them, as if escaping the situation and sharing miracles someplace else would be a failure, which it wouldnāt have been, and would express forgiveness in a higher way, because they heād still have the body nature gave him, and deal with the challenge of how it responds, and how it heals. Anyhow, I was going on about Jesus. A lady from church says to a child with her: āheās crazy.ā I just ignored it. You hear this so often itās not worth responding to. Then, during a church service, when I was going through stuff, but just myself an non violent, she gets up before the service is over and says, as if SHE knows and other should heed her: āHEāS CRAZY.ā I donāt know who this lady is at all, and then looking through the psychology department where my father taught and I got my bachelorās degree in music, sheās a psychology teacher there. In the meantime, Iāve found out stuff regarding psychology she wouldnāt learn academically, certainly didnāt who insight, the tooth has healedā¦ā¦
The wheat from the Chaffā¦ā¦ā¦.. And thereās A LOT of chaff, itās not really fair to compare that to wheatā¦ā¦. I donāt think wheat has such a problem, Butā¦. Why I would want to be part of such a āsocietyā¦ā¦.ā Or think that thereās nothing beyond it, that Iāve failed otherwiseā¦..
Birdsong, don’t worry about me getting lost in the fourth dimension, that’s impossible. That doesn’t happen there, no loss, no guilt, no loss in giving etc….. It would be more thinking I can get lost there that causes problems…..
Oh birdsong you didn’t need to be clearer. If I had gone one step further it would have been thinking you meant that the drug companies should stop with their games, how to get things approved: what their intentions are. The point being one gets lost in such a swamp of convoluted….. When the lobbyist becomes the supposed authority, and what’s the difference? Is it ideology or a paycheck? Or is it called for me? And who is pulling the strings? Just like trying to talk with somebody who has been all indoctrinated with a whole repertoire of responses to insist that the planet is flat or that the sun revolves around the Earth. Why? Because then whatever outfit promotes such ideology can sell their stuff. Chemical imbalances that the treatment causes which is said to alleviate what it causes. And then you have more of the problem. And so when there’s statistics that shows that there’s rising problems and it’s become critical there’s an epidemic then we need more of what causes it: not only the chemical imbalance (that the drugs cause: the treatment not the supposed disease) also the paranoia in society. Make the whole populous alarmist about something and there you go: they’re paranoid fixated…. There’s a whole war going on against natural functions of the brain. Intelligence….. This society is so full of believing it needs to control people with fear whether it’s the penal system militaries the school system handing out grades religions talking about how money who knows what else. And it trains people to do such, you end up with a select group of people so sociopath that the only winning they see left is dowsing the population to be controlled by them whether it’s psychiatric drugs or other forms of mind control. Who is the guy that was actually on Charlie Rose going on about how you would stop homelessness if you put that population on psychiatric drugs or other such nonsense? There’s no reason they’re homeless you just dope them up and make them more docile and able to be mind controlled. They’re going to go in the factories feed consumerism and help destroy the rest of the planet with pollution etc. And the people pulling his strings are worse except that he thinks he needs them. That winning is ditching their own humanity by trying to destroy it in others. While this comment has the option to edit it I had to go look and that I guess was E Torrey Fuller promoting this idea that you could drug up all the homeless people and they’d be all functional. You know let’s just ignore the whole history of what such controlled substances have done and make up a new fantasy and people think oh yeah. I guess he wasn’t in Charlie Rose’s brain series but that’s also just a bunch of lobbyists actually. You get that all over the place in corporate media of course not just the mental health system what you hear about any topic regarding any of what people are supposed to be controlled with regarding fear. After a certain point you are just completely lied to basically and all they have to do is find some angle to make a mental construct to mislead you with……. Maybe I should listen to Charlie Rose and his brain series which came out before he was basically fired because of the me too movement but yeah so that’s still out there like it’s something. Maybe I should listen to it but I never watch the news either….so much stuff I just don’t even believe it. I guess if I watched Charlie Rose brain series I’d have to take out a notepad to start writing down all the convolute everything….. Because otherwise I probably would get totally lost trying to remember it all, it’s totally overwhelming. I mean you have to act like you’re taking a college class where you have to keep track of how much they’re lying to you and take the same kind of notes you would take to see what somebody is saying when it’s actually scientific but here you have to keep track of….. And it’s all hidden under we know we’re causing a chemical imbalance but if you don’t say it’s treating one then the people won’t take the medications, which only work in the short term that’s all you have long-term everything gets worse but you’re also ignoring along with every cause of chemical imbalance not treated it, and yeah there’s way more mental illness because we’re causing this chemical imbalance which we can’t tell people but that’s just that it is emerging in society it wasn’t being treated before although there is more disability…. Incredibly incoherent other than how it deceives people while everything is getting worse in the long run for them to believe that what caused the problem is going to fix it….. Then there’s more of the problem so you can cherry pick the minority that it is working for as if that’s going to fix it when it has caused the spike instead. Well people get more fearful and more moralistic…… I have to stop now in a minute I can’t edit anymore
And thank YOU for writing this blog. Don’t stop. It’s good. And I’m sure, or know beyond needing to, that many of us are thankful you gave us a place where we could feel safe, and be safe to know our own stories……
Birdsong, I’m glad you got off Welbutrin. I still am “recovering
from someone making out he’s an authority being a psychiatrist, comes in here, a blog where a lady very honestly details how she wanted to take her own life because of the side effects of Xanax, and got out of it despite a doctor that wouldn’t listen; and this other “authority” says we got it all wrong (SIC added by me):”Your [SIC] making a lot of assumptions. Simply put this lady was given Xanax instead of SSRI trials which was a mistake. Thatās the only conclusion you can make not what you are going on about”. THAT is a professional? He doesn’t see this is about Xanax toxicity that shouldn’t have happened, and the rest of it I already stated and would have to repeat, such as he doesn’t KNOW why she went to see a psychiatrist to begin with, who he WASN’T; so he determining whether or what type of drug she should have had is impossible. Unprofessional. Not what this blog is about. She has come back and pointed out there’s a whole community dealing with this problem YET, after years of knowing how dangerous this drug is, and it’s STILL handed out like candy: Benzo Buddies and BIC she mentioned as Internet sites. She also said that people go to a psychiatrist for a reason, and that being that she was under considerable stress, the psychiatrist posting here had already decided she was being treated for anxiety (no sir, the Xanax caused the extreme anxiety), doles out āinformationā regarding what supposedly would have helped for what he doesn’t know was going on and was wrong regarding. The only conclusions we could make (he says) was that she was supposed to be on treatment for something, that since he mentioned the treatment has had several severe warnings itself regarding, people have had to rebute or question data he shares, and why he shared them wasn’t why she [who wrote the blog and wasn’t asking for another diagnosis or prescription] went to a psychiatrist to begin with.
It’s quite predatory when people start talking about severely disturbing things to have someone pop up with answers, in this case inappropriately, have that not phase them, and then start sharing data that’s questionable or inaccurate regarding diagnosis they were never asked to make and even would one believe such doesn’t apply in this case, add catch phrases, deny science, dismiss certain brands of trials if they don’t show the data wanted, display personal attacks in the form of straw man arguments, saying both you and Steve (and probably more, who can keep track of it) said things you never did……..
Some of us are actually trying to keep track of the truth!
Just an example of how OVERLOADING such behavior is, when you wrote: “Stopping the crap was my idea.” in reading that at first, and the second time as well, I thought of course she’s (or heās) referring to what she thought that the psychiatrist would have EVER prescribed that, “Stopping the crap” having taken on a dual meaning and I went down a layer regarding what it could mean, that such disruptive stuff shouldn’t have been prescribed: that when he said, as you detail here :”But get this: the prescribing psychiatrist, who was very āwell-respectedā, NEVER MADE THE CONNECTION. He looked at me in amazement while saying, āYou are a different personā, which I was. He said heād never seen it happen to anyone before.” I thought, of course, she thought in general stop the crap, stop handing stuff out like that, but you meant it was YOUR idea to stop with the medications, and he had never seen that with anyone else. Added to that you had to take yourself off before telling him, and only then could he see. I mean, it would have been something to FIRST ask him, hear the negative response, then take yourself off, and then what? Which might not even have been safe given the situation, because you can see again how defensive such people can get, From this blog also.
And the poor dog that was put on antidepressants….the one a friend of mine couldn’t handle and brought back to the pound. I think she stated that he tried to bite her, or had (she was giving him a bath, which one can only wonder why she would even try that with a dog), but it was a really nice lady. Always took in underdogs, although this really was a dog, but on antidepressants she couldn’t deal with it. I have to say I felt it around me, from the other dimension, where everything can happen, and so much of it has, I just have to learn one can’t talk about such with too many people. Let alone too many psychiatrists. It’s the science of thought, and I mean science. And so I had a whole so many page of impossible stuff that has happened that I felt was too much (Elsa the lioness that appeared out of the fourth dimension when I was doing the yoga pose the tree at a bus stop, that no longer is there and informing a lady waiting where they moved it that they put up a fence and took the shelter away because maybe homeless people would hang out there and thus they moved the stop I realized later she was an angel among us, and then before they took the bus stop away from that area a whole flock of seagulls murmured perfectly each of them catching a bread pellet the whole flock staying in flight to catch each pellet one by one, whatās called Indian file, pellets I had made from bread that had been discarded and I kept for no reason until there was a reason or it happened, and where I had picked it up miles across the city ended up being a place I teleported away from having to cross there at a stoplight, when I stepped so carefully to avoid slipping on the ice that there was no fear to do something good or be chastised (I do use yaktrax and such now and did then mostly) ending up with one gentle step on the other side of the building, around the area where every time I needed to escape rationality of limitations Iād play with a Mozart aria and the singer who had reincarnated and died since again appeared out of nowhere like Elsa, and so many I lose track, the earth does have a history that speaks and the wave patterns shown in the double list experiment to become particles emerge in dreamtime to show life always had meaning, and then most recently along with the lady at the portal area where they moved the bus stop another being regarding what touches in with the fourth dimension when you let go of fear appearedā¦. And thus were pages I donāt know where they went, apparently I didnāt even save them, although I could keep adding to that supposed word salad foreverā¦…) thought the science of thoughtā¦.. THAT is something different than turning off the physical mechanism of thought called the brain, akin to turning off a warning signal, such as a smoke alarm or when the car says something etc. etc. when the warning is too much for whoever would have to deal with waking up instead, to thought.
(Elsa the lioness that appeared out of the fourth dimension
when I was doing the yoga pose
the tree
at a bus stop, that
no longer is there
and informing
a lady waiting where they moved it
that they put up a fence
and took the shelter away
because maybe homeless people would hang out there
and thus they moved the stop
I realized later she was an angel among us,
and then
before they took the bus stop away from that area
a whole flock of seagulls murmured
perfectly
each of them catching a bread pellet
the whole flock staying in flight
to catch each pellet
one by one,
whatās called Indian file,
pellets I had made
from bread that had been discarded
and I kept for
no reason
until there was a reason
or it happened, and
where I had picked it up
miles across the city
ended up being a place I teleported away
from having to cross there at a stoplight,
when I stepped
so carefully
to avoid
slipping on the ice
that there was no fear
to do something good
or be chastized
ending up
with one gentle step
on the other side of the building,
around the area where
every time I needed to escape rationality of limitations
I wonder what the conclusion is regarding this statement:
“One hundred thirty-three people met their own needs (79%). They once had regressed to the point where they were unable to brush their teeth, comb their hair, or use a fork. Many even threw off their clothes, smeared feces on walls, and spoke animal gibberish. Now they were able to pay bills, cook, and clean, generally take care of themselves, and often others.”
That letting them out of the asylum, giving them the space to decide THEMSELVES whether the medications work (even though later it’s stated that many of them acted like they were still taking the meds, and only confided the truth later, while showing drawers full of pills they never had taken but picked up so the “community” wouldn’t freak out), not having to deal with sadistic psychiatrists and nurses (I’ve at a drop in center had the same experience, a bit, when you can’t actually state the truth regarding statistics or scientific truth regarding what happens off meds, here the psychiatrists seem to have gotten almost belligerent, if not, saying that instead those people had affective disorders when they recovered)… obviously ALL of that and more, but it’s quite dramatic when it seems that instead of helping them the Thorazine made them incapable of taking care of themselves, etc.
registeredforthissite I really am amazed, in a good sense, that you can read such blogs, as Lieberman and the nurse, I avoid such places as I would avoid paralyses, actually. To read such stuff, and see how completely clueless and brainwashed some people can be….. it makes you [me, one] wonder whether one can do or say anything except pray for a miracle, not that that’s impossible but there I end up feeling helpless reading such…… Lieberman, who can’t even process scientific data, corrupts, true statistics and scientific results, then when what he advocates, enforces and prescribes, often AGAINST the will of the vulnerable people forced to adhere or be arrested and forced “treated,” when this correlates with the lack of recovery, the disability, the spike in the problem, the epidemic the TRUE results are; then he talks about them being infirm. WHO exactly is non reality based? Who is impossibly showing signs of having infirmity? Who is it no one can convince he’s unaware of what’s going on?
WELL! Looking at the twitter site regarding him, it seems, after getting numerous awards, all sorts of highly esteemed academic positions, he was outed as being quite racist, and then colleagues of him reported he had shown such signs the whole time. How much money was poured into this racist man, the whole time? Someone purporting that schizophrenia also is genetic? And then these “trials” showing that the newer drugs are so effective, where they took “schizophrenics” already addicted to antipsychotics, took half of them off, put them in the control group where they of course got withdrawal symptoms listed as showing signs of the disease instead, the non control group then getting another drug close enough to what they were addicted to that they didn’t get withdrawal symptoms listed as more not showing signs of the disease, and THAT was supposed to “prove” the drugs were effective. Beyond this, they didn’t note how many of those who were said to be helped by the newer drugs before the two year or so trial was over had gotten off of them, nor did they look at long term results for those who at first were said to have symptoms of the disease but later recovered without going back on said medications…..
That someone, racist the whole time, can put forth schizophrenia is genetic, get THAT much money with his cohorts to corrupt science, be able to advocate force treating people, have the legal profession and the police back this up…..
Years and years ago, there was an article from Satz in the BMJ saying that a psychiatric patient should be able to get a restraining order against their psychiatrist, given the proven damage such “treatments” cause. I starting responding to that article, and met a really nice person who had been treated such, and she was amazed at me that I could even read and respond to what such people, psychiatrists etc. were saying. She had gone into an asylum, regarding childhood sexual abuse, upon being advised to. The result was that she was so drugged up she became catatonic, and it would take her like a day to be able to decipher what such a statement by a psychiatrist or so was really saying. Then she tried to become a nurse, she AGAIN couldn’t express her experiences regarding antidepressants in class to become a nurse, or she was harassed and suppressed at every turn, she told me one person was so belligerent she was sure she would have physically assaulted her, was she allowed to…. This lady was the friend I made: https://www.amazon.com/Ranting-Out-Devil-Traumatization-Transformation/dp/1904697445 And then all over the place just being alive and relating to human beings rather than being indoctrinated by said media blip, simply talking about reality what I encounter. A lady who was promised a job here in my city from Ukraine, and then had two children, was a very good mother, but the paperwork for her status as well as the job didn’t fall through, she had to deal with that, take care of her children, and some social workers came along and noticed her house keeping didn’t compare with something you see on TV, or who knows what would have found approval, and of course this lady was affected by what happened to her, but still a very good mother, then the social workers proposed antidepressants, and the poor lady, whose mother was a nurse, said what she knew regarding such, given her mother knew the truth….. the social workers made a report exaggerating everything, and one can only question if this poor lady hadn’t said the truth regarding antidepressants whether there would have been a less discriminative response (I’ve encountered the same nonsense in this city from such maniacs, although they couldn’t really get to me, couldn’t have me committed etc. but EVERYTHING can be misinterpreted EVERYTHING, as soon as they think someone isn’t being compliant to their idea of a indoctrinated discriminatory evaluation) and the poor lady’s CHILDREN were taken away, put in foster care. The local media, the local newspaper also had a whole story about her, AGAIN exaggerating EVERYTHING. I never read it, but talked to someone who went on about it as if it was the truth. He also thinks anyone not inducted into his Jesus cult won’t get entrance to “Heaven” and that “God” gave “Israel” to the Jews, as part of “Christianity.” But there you go….. Another girl worker at a coffee house could tell me how she had to get out of her parent’s house because antidepressants they wouldn’t allow her to stop taking were making her violent, and they wouldn’t listen. And a guy, who I overheard making a sarcastic remark on the bus regarding his doctor recommending antidepressants, who knew the two kids in the Columbine shootings, the two boys came to play pool at his foster care facility that he had then in Colorado, shared how they were bullied at school by jocks, the principle said to go the sheriff, the sheriff said to go the principle, nothing was done, the ring leader of the two had had his medications changed to Luvox just before the shootings, had told his doctor that Luvox was making him have angry thoughts at everyone, his friends, parents, girlfriend, teachers, etc. and the doctor told him to just keep taking the drugs. And the drug companies bought out that case, so this was never reported properly. I have to stop now, being already overloaded, just being awake and alive and talking to people with my brain, senses and curiosity open, rather than brainwashed. How many friends I’ve seen totally disabled by these neuroleptic drugs. People whose subconscious, or whose nature, just couldn’t adapt to said programming by “society,” and thus like all of everything nature does, that’s part of evolution rather than conforming to society and not be labeled as disruptive, they had behaviors they didn’t understand and were met with such alarmist, discriminatory, phobic, paranoid responses by authorities, and then having had their natural responses repressed, natural responses they were made to be terrified of consequently, they were broken, lost the ability to challenge, defy or get away from what was imprisoning them. And YET, in ways they remained more functional than the society at large deciding they weren’t, there STILL remained something human that couldn’t be destroyed…..
I’m also terribly sorry for your loss, and it breaks my heart every time I hear about such knowing the real stories are often buried, never make it into mainstream media. And we lose very human, very dear, very vulnerable people whose stories might change society were they listened to rather than suppressed……. Not only, as J Munro so aptly said, are there a whole cocktail of drugs, to such an extent that one doesn’t know what is doing what… then there’s more leading to such confusion: the diagnosis (there isn’t really a consistency regarding diagnosis among psychiatrist to warrant true science of objectivity, see Paula Caplan’s books: They Say You’re Crazy and her other works), change of drugs ( each one disables natural brain functions in a different way), the way they are advertised or promoted, and the kind of sly ways the drug companies make something seem viable using language that sounds scientific while hiding the truths ( for example what “someone” has tried here with the logic that if science or truth actually exposes what might make the drugs unfavorable that is stigma against the drugs, or dangerous that it might make people want to not take their drugs etc. and then long term consequences are ignored) thus truth is suppressed that would give informed consent, information that would give a person the ability to make decisions based on knowledge rather than advise, ideology and propaganda…… After listening to what such “sources” say, a person may not know what to think anymore, having been filled with all sorts of alarmist ideas regarding short term results, short term results that when seen as being advantageous statistically bring on more problems in the long run, or people simply have been spoon fed constructed ideas of cause and effect that aren’t really true but actually designed to get a person to believe they need the drugs, again for short term results while long term statistically things gets worse….(causing chemical imbalance by disabling normal functions in the brain which marginally suppresses symptoms is said to be treating a chemical imbalance.
While in reality this isn’t treating a chemical imbalance its causing one, and the long term problems statistically correlate with the chemical imbalances the drugs cause, not the disease, but that’s again made out to be the disease….) etc. etc. etc…..There’s a whole spike in the problem, that’s why there’s a book called Anatomy of an Epidemic by Whitaker, and his other books “Psychiatry under the Influence,” and “Mad in America.” People actually have been made to believe that what statistically correlates with the epidemic, with the spike, is necessary to stop it. And when there’s more of the problem, they think that what’s correlates with causing it is the solution. Whether that’s over drugging, or the implementation of drugs to begin with rather than other modalities of therapy…….
How are people influenced such?
People in general are so bombarded with sound bytes, with consumer oriented stimuli, with themselves being turned into commodities by others seeing how they can get them to be consumers that……can they really think anything through themselves anymore. Do they even feel safe trying, or will they look towards some fabricated source instead? Just go back a couple of hundred years ago to writing of say Dickens, or Edith Wharton, or before them Shakespeare, or later Emily Dickinson’s poems, and people had an ability to follow their own thoughts, or relate to someone creating a whole world from their experience, their mind, their brain, their memory, to relate to scenarios their own minds were creating at a level that now a days seems to be quite infiltrated with the vulnerabilities instilled in them with these “soundbytes.” Go to a Hollywood blockbuster, Watch the News, Who’s the latest pop star, What’s that new flavor or item at said big food chain… etc!
I don’t know about Frances, there’s a whole expose regarding him here: https://www.madinamerica.com/2020/04/allen-frances-still-spinning-the-story/ Yes he does attend certain issues that should have been brought out before they started, but he does also seem to still be defending his idea of treatment against others, and then buffing up his brand against there’s rather than perspective in general that might have more to say regarding the whole matrix. I would say read Whitaker who blessed us with this site, or Joanna Moncrieff…..
From Corey: “Are you suggesting people go off their antipsychotics? Because thatās dangerous especially if you donāt know them”
Corey, are you suggesting that when, after implimenting antipsychotics for schizophrenia, or for bipolar (when such medications didn’t exist beforehand), that even though since the advent of such medications, there are at least 10 times (I think maybe 20 times or more, but I’d have to look) more occurrences of such diseases, that anyone questioning whether they are effective is promoting something dangerous? That’s simple statistics. And then there’s the science of how such medications work in that they cause a chemical imbalance in order to disable normal brain functions, and thus the short term reductions of symptoms. But they cause chemical imbalance, which first the drug companies tried to make out came from the disease, but then had to retract. THAT, I find I have to add is simple science, so people KNOW, and can make their own decisions. When someone can’t supply scientific or statistical facts without being accused of saying something is bad, when they haven’t, this regarding how objective science points out something that should be known given informed consent, what is that?
Then you make a statement about whether someone knows another, regarding telling them to get off of their meds. Which also wasn’t suggested, only by you that that’s what was said. Steve simply supplied statistical truths. But yeah, someone presents scientific evidence which would give people perspective regarding whether antipsychotics are the right choice, if that evidence isn’t favorable, then that’s dangerous, regardless of what the evidence says? Added to this. This whole blog is regarding a lady who did better getting off of Xanax. You don’t know her. She hasn’t been to you for treatment. You don’t even know what she initially went to the psychiatrist for, and yet, devoid of all of that knowing, you have made numerous attempts acting as if you have objective knowledge how she should have been treated.
Also, what Steve pointed out regarding the Harrow study. It’s the most severe cases of “schizophrenia” that did the best when going off of the antipsychotics given long term results. And so that’s the OPPOSITE or selection bias. Which then are WHAT they are, long term results. It also happens that people live more than say two years, regarding whether long term, or rather longitudinal studies are useful studies to look at.
You disparage cohort studies, longitudinal studies, although this isn’t really founded. You mention whether there are long term studies that say taking no antipsychotics hasn’t been shown to help hearing voices. When there’s lack of ANY kind of long term study regarding ANYTHING determining that it isn’t effective, this DOES NOT MEAN it’s effective. EXCUSE ME, but that way you could implement anything regarding whether it’s effective or not, as long as one lacks a long term study that says it’s not effective….
You also went on regarding forums and details. When Harrow’s study showed how “schizophrenics” with the most severe ” cases,” and that wasn’t him making those diagnosis, when he shows they do better in the long run getting off of antipsychotics, this DOES NOT MEAN that you can determine the opposite, that then they weren’t severe cases, which IS what you are doing, DESPITE what the data shows. THAT regarding details. Or stating there’s no long term study saying to not apply said treatment to said condition, so that excuses the mainstream treatment. NO! It doesn’t. Would anyone actually look at what you stated there, they would see you are promoting the premise that as long as it hasn’t been proven that not applying said directive is better than the directive, then that excuses or condones the directive….. Those are details? We’ve done something, and no one proved whether doing nothing is better, so that’s being helpful. And then regarding statistics that show that “something” isn’t always such a good idea, that’s dangerous. This is OK as long as they haven’t proven that not implementing it is more helpful…..
To begin with, you donāt KNOW what she went into treatment for, you donāt know this lady, she hasnāt been to you asking for ANY treatment or medications, this is HER blog post, not a diagnostic request. References in a blog post regarding suicidal thoughts because of Xanax, and then the mention that Xanax makes anxiety worse does not mean YOU have had ANY conversation with her and know why she was asking for treatment. Neither does her stating that anxiety is worsened with Xanax mean that why she was asking for treatment was because of anxiety. And then the add on, which you have posted numerous times stating āscienceā or āfacts.ā Because something is mainstream does not make it science. When āmedicationsā cause chemical imbalance in a brain disabling it from normal functions, and in a marginal way short term symptoms are suppressed although in the long term statistically things get worse, this isnāt science to say they are treating a chemical imbalance which was there in the first place, and that such medications are needed for life to treat this chemical imbalance. SCIENCE would be stating the medications cause chemical imbalance, NOT the disease, and that long term outcomes become worse. THAT also would be informed consent.
Many of us here are quite familiar with the way psychiatrists will change diagnosis, and then medications, often without even caring to take into consideration withdrawal periods, mostly without informed consent when medications are changed or initiated. YOU demonstrate this dangerous disabling habit by diagnosing multiple times someone you NEVER have even seen in a professional manner. Neither is there any proven consistency with diagnosis among psychiatrists enough that such diagnosis are objective (see They Say Youāre Crazy by Paula Caplan). Weāve seen that you read references to suicidal thoughts or anxiety caused by a drug and when itās clearly expressed that getting off of the drug healed those problems, you instead act as if she went into treatment because of what the drugs caused. You behave as if this lady has come to you for treatment diagnosis, know how she should be diagnosed or treated differently dismissing that it was the drug that caused the anxiety and the suicidal thoughts, even though when the drug was stopped those symptoms went away. What if your ādiagnosisā wouldnāt have worked, would you have changed the diagnosis and/or drugs again? Instead, this blog shows that getting off of a psychiatric drug, getting off of Xanax, healed her.
Would anyone actually READ the article, rather than with a clearly biased onset extracting a reference to thoughts, or a phrase there, taking it out of context, and making themselves out to be an authority regarding someone they havenāt had ANY professional interactions with, they would see that this lady is doing well after getting off of the drug hampering her. You display quite clearly and accurately exactly what Birdsong stated in a post days ago:
The only thing ācomplexed and nuancedā about psychiatry is the way it fools people into believing its ādiagnosesā represent discrete biological ādisordersā that its āmedicationsā can ātreatā.
And your reply being:
You are saying no psych meds work? Thatās laughable
You continue as if you have the ability to make diagnosis of someone you have never seen in a profession setting, who hasnāt gone to you for help, who got better getting away from any such intrusion into her life, and then present yet another diagnosis involving āmedicationā for someone who got better without any such, and again medications that above have been highly contradicted as being effective. You donāt know what she was initially being treated for, because sheās not, isnāt, wasnāt your patient. Neither can you decide what she should have, should be or would be treated for, as sheās not, isnāt wasnāt nor do I think ever will be your patient. She also got better getting away from the fashion of treatment you are promoting.
I can’t start to express how heartbreaking all of this is. The amount of friends, people vulnerably human, that I have watched the psychiatric system and these “medications” turn into beggars terrified of their own humanity. Like the ones you see on the street corners getting a scrap here and there, when there are whole dumpsters and empty houses filled with what they would need, but it’s all locked up. Where does all this money go, for example that the insurance companies pay out, Government sponsored programs, grants, research, academics, donations to help “mental health,” etc. etc.!!!!!?
I think actually the psychiatrist must also have a PHD. That involves a medical degree. How does this excuse him from not heeding the warnings, that I think would go beyond the warning labels on the drugs the patient gets because the patient was supposed to have read certain warning labels? And regarding what information is missing, we don’t know what that warning label was, at that time. Nor given what was shared, and what others that kept their eyes open for what these drugs do to others, does it seem the warnings would be adequate. For whatever reason you would start pondering whether someone had in-patient-treatment, or for what, what does this have to do with her blog post, other than you’re trying to color her as someone into substance abuse, despite all the warning signs the doctor should have seen? You also seem to be insinuating that she’s hiding something, when in reality you don’t know that, nor do we. Why do you introduce this? Many of us are quite aware of this comparison with psychiatry and street drugs, peer pressure, addiction etc. the difference here is that psychiatry legally prescribes these drugs. Regarding whether she, or ANYONE else, would be hiding something. I don’t really see that her having in-patient-treatment would lead towards substance abuse problems, she states clearly why she was on Xanax, and that it helped her, at first for a couple of years. Then the problems started, and thus the in-patient-treatment. But I don’t know, and I hadn’t tacked on: “she had in-patient-treatment” so was she into substance abuse? And is she or anyone else was, this doesn’t further point to unprofessional behavior from the psychiatrist? It’s also characteristic that psychiatry can hide how they made someone addicted using patient confidentiality as an excuse, and then hide side effects, and then you say information is missing, would someone not have shared they had substance abuse problems. I don’t see that such a suspicion would apply or is insightful given what the blogger has shared. Are there any other suspicions she had about her personal life, and why she would have asked or been advised to take Xanax? Should she not have allowed her boss to overwork her, or was she letting her children (which we don’t know whether she had, but yeah, information could be missing) stress her out too much, or is it the neighbor, or the neighbor’s children? Do you also think she’s getting money from some hidden outside source for simply sharing what this psychiatrist and the drug companies did to her? Again, that’s more the case with the drug companies where when the APA has a meeting normal rules of conflicts of interest have to be suspended. The blogger also HERSELF states she should have heeded earlier warnings: “But alongside the relief, I was also overwhelmed with deep sorrow for what I had endured, and profound regret for not heeding the warning signs sooner, particularly those from the staff at the well-respected facility that I went to. They urged me to get off Xanax but I didnāt listen. Essentially, the darker things got, the deeper my trust grew, trusting your opinion only.”
To begin with, this blog post, this article, isn’t about antidepressants, it’s about what Xanax did to someone, something that went away after she STOPPED such “treatment.” Seems like someone then decided she was supposed to be on antidepressants instead, because she had suicidal thoughts, although they only emerged after being on Xanax. If someone is in an abusive relationship which depresses them and makes them suicidal, but gets out of it, should they also be told that they should have been in an antidepressant trial!? How is such a correlation made, that by a professional who can prescribe such, when really the statement regarding suicidality was made concerning another psychiatric drug, and went away after treatment with that drugs was stopped?
Those two graphs regarding antidepressant efficacy are only for 84 days. Not only does that not say anything about what happens or happened afterwards, which statistically correlates with more relapsing, but we would have to see more data regarding what actually went on in the trial those 84 days, before just believing these graphs, that in themselves don’t show much efficacy, if those are the true results.
There are quite a few standard methods that the odds have been skewed, or made more favorable to the non control group:
1) Someone in the control group (and I’m sorry, in past posts I got control and non control confused, it was confusing to me because it’s the control group that doesn’t get the treatment, although to me it seems that getting a treatment is being controlled, so I’m sorry for that, in prior posts. REALLY sorry. I had control and non control group mixed up), however with antidepressants trials it was standard that would anyone in the control group get better within the first week or so, they would be taken out of the trial. Not counted. The guise being that then they weren’t really depressed although someone in the non control getting better is left there. In other words, to actually validate that those in the non control were actually being treated in a fashion that helped them, and not having the placebo effect or simply having their depression go away the first week, you’d have to have duplicates of them, exact duplicates, and have the other in the control group. That seems a bit impossible, which to me says you need to leave those in the control group that that got better the first week there. They of course didn’t take those in the non control group that got better the first week out of the trial, let alone see if they had disruptive withdrawal symptoms would they have to or want to get off of the medications. I think this “washout” method rigs the odds in favor of the non control group. Then often enough, many people in the non control group had to leave the trials, because of side effects, that also wasn’t counted as a failure of the antidepressants, this to me AGAIN rigs the odds. Added to this often the non control group was given not just antidepressants, but an antidepressants and a sedative because of restlessness, meaning it wasn’t really a trail for antidepressants, it was for more than one drug. And then they had to start adding people that already were on psychiatric drugs to get the odds they wanted, which means people that already were used to, liked, or in order to get approval from those prescribing already found psychiatric drugs favorable. Psychiatric drugs being then medications that disable natural functions of the brain, which they all do. Regarding people already in such a habit. Then one can add that there were many many trials made, and only the ones that added up to any efficacy were reported, the rest dismissed, this seems a bit dishonest, as well.
And then we have what happened to those in the non control group that had to get off of the antidepressants after the trial was over, and their sometimes severe side effects not being reported, or at first not included in the trial data.
After ALL OF THAT it would indeed be beyond bleak would there not be any efficacy turning up, but what turns up still remains quite marginal.
To determine what those graphs really show, we would have to be given the information regarding what I listed above. All of it. That isn’t given…..
I want to thank again Jackie Munro for her beautiful article. I notice that up above already there’s seems to be a parallel going on, which I’m hesitant to incite to more, Steve did such a good job responding, already.
A psychiatrist comes along, he says that you should have been put on an antidepressant trial, not Xanax, then goes on about it supposedly helping suicidal thoughts, which Steve then articulately supplies contradiction to, also pointed out the sources backing the psychiatrist’s statements don’t add up. Now, am I wrong, but it seems to me that this article is not about going to a psychiatrist regarding suicidal thoughts, it’s about Xanax, and anxiety, and the result of Xanax causing such thoughts, which otherwise weren’t there. That it’s about the sheer hopelessness of the insensitive, irresponsible and unprofessional behavior of a psychiatrist, who didn’t care to see what the result was, or even responsibly take in the warnings or advice regarding treatment warnings. Where does an article about how Xanax causing what it did, turns into what Xanax caused that wasn’t there before should have been what was prescribed. WHAT!? When someone finds a situation or drug causes them to become suicidal, they should have been on antidepressants, this then excuses the antidepressants, the situation and the other drug? Let’s forgo mentioning get out of the situation when another psychiatric drug becomes involved because you know the drugs are necessary. To not prescribe them makes no sense. No, you should have been given a prescription for what the other psychiatric drug caused, even though the symptom wasn’t there without it. If there are any possible side effects with psychiatric drugs, should we first start taking drugs for the side effects, just to make sure!? How would we know? What does this have to do with ADHD medications, and who needs them: the psychiatrist or the patient, or both for proper treatment? Will that help them to follow orders, to avoid non compliance for either patient or psychiatrist, because such well thought out preventative measures are a bit difficult to follow to make sense out of? Is there any other drug that should be involved? Is there anyone who can predetermine yet to emerge side effects that need to be prevented before they emerge, and is there a problem getting funding for research are new medications determined to be necessary, or is that a bit too much regarding preventative or diagnostic measures?
And antidepressants help dogs with depression. That’s stated as fact. Someone with the same name stated, only then just a first one. Is this depression just a problem around humans? Are just the humans seeing this as depression or have the dogs supplied objective evaluations regarding their own depression, and how did they do this themselves? Or are dogs only able to express themselves objectively when humans do it for them? Should the humans also be taking some sort of psychiatric help given a situation which could be quite distressing should side effects show up? Should these side effects be thwarted with another prescription before turning up? What about dogs in the wild? Are they also suffering because of loss of territory and global warming? Currently only 4% of mammals are wild, the rest being domesticated, this might also be quite bleak for the wild ones. Would antidepressants help them as well? The wild ones? Or should this be administered already because the depression might emerge from further loss of territory or global warming, or that there are even less wild dogs compared to domesticated ones (same as with suicidal thoughts emerging with Xanax should have been instead given antidepressants would they emerge although they didn’t without them)?
Jackie, thank you for your articulate, and lively vivacious article. I’m so glad that not only you somehow got out of this insult to a circus pushing you on all sides, stimulating you into what you thought you couldn’t deal with anymore, poking at you, not listening to your own input, response, or experience, then poking you more, then…..
God bless it that you got out of such a dizzy dizzy situation.
I had a psychiatrist, friend of my mother, way back before she diagnosed me, she prescribed pain medications when I had contusions from a car accident on my right side. All that the problem was, was I would have needed to wait for a month or so, and I could then sit again and play the Chopin etudes at the piano. The pain medications taught me to sit wrong, although I could practice a Beethoven concerto, Chopin etudes required more of the body, and years passed, I didn’t know I had learned to do this, all sorts of problems I wasn’t aware of, or didn’t turn up till later. I have to say, maybe you’ve experience that as well, that it is rather interesting to find solutions, which I’ve done on my own, teaching the muscles to go back into alignment, although I would have wanted to avoid all of such, and often wish it just would go away, albeit this being more than half a lifetime later, and Chopin also has been waiting, who I already knew through a medium, and just have to laugh when I had a sitting at a piano with him, and he didn’t even mention I added a few extra spices to what’s called the Winter Wind Etude, or was I just doing that now, without knowing it at first I had wanted to start playing where these spices would end up, when sitting with him at a piano, he coming through a medium, and when I hesitated, only thinking that chord, he asked me why I’d stopped, and the medium’s hand came to the other side of the piano, the eyes closed wouldn’t have seen any of the notes, and played the one correct chord, which he had done earlier regarding another passage, pointing out if I played a supposedly slight variation in a phrase the wrong way, being that I would play it as it is written the other time, I’d hear why it’s that way, rather than this stupid question of mine, whether it was like Polish grammar which is quite complex, has seven cases someone told me. Chopin also did the same regarding part of a Mozart sonata. There supposedly was a compositional error, if you misinterpreted the voicing, since the hands couldn’t play all the notes,what’s called parallel fifths, he again didn’t correct me, but said: “maybe you were thinking this,” and then played how you could fix what wasn’t wrong, only if you misinterpreted it. REALLY COOL GUY!…… But I was diagnosed also, more than half a lifetime ago, shortly within a year or so after that, because stuff was going on that I didn’t have an outlet to talk about, and the balance between the left brain (it was seriously stuff that one can’t talk about, that people find crazy, I knew that so and so would be in my life, although there was no way I could know that rationally, then he showed up, and I couldn’t deal with it, something jarred, whether it was I just needed space for myself or…..)….. the balance between the lobes of the brain regarding stuff that doesn’t come really from physical perception, and the whole ability the brain has for imagination and dreams, and everything transcending such…… while people were making me out to be crazy, and this psychiatrist believed stuff my parents told her, as if something wasn’t going on when all they would have had to do is ask the neighbor lady to find it it was……. and then the world’s way or interpreting stuff that it doesn’t solve, but the spiritual energies can, although that’s ALSO made out to be “crazy.” Even the people saying the represented the spiritual energies, even while AGAIN “professional” got in the way, terribly. I remember having to talk to this psychiatrist, actually a very nice lady and was open to me dealing with the problem without “medications,” even what art might have to do with it, but yet simply thinking she would be someone that would listen, and the anxiety that brought, and then trying even harder to communicate and becoming more and more fragmented disassociating from their inabilities. THEIR disabilities…. I didn’t go for psychiatric drugs, instead coffee and cigarettes, which will put you in quite a state, and I over did it, but it was such a crutch……. although i was free to stop, and no one was prescribing all of that. And then on disability I could allow art, dreams, imagination to be what perhaps they are meant to be, without having to meet deadlines……..
I’m right at the age where I have to rebalance the muscles, to prevent becoming decrepit in my old age. And no, it’s not a good idea to take pain medications while the muscles are still healing, so that you can do things that the pain would tell you not to do. I finally know enough to understand the emotional language, the tendencies or push to escape when I could just practice non attachment or meditate, the whole IMMENSE perspective beyond just being normal, the adventure you incur when you’ve experience so much beyond the norm that……..somehow I can balance that out now…. I have to meditate every day for at least an hour. Something brought up by a healer (Carol Everett Healing Sanctuary), that to get the energy for a healing that also wasn’t supposed to happen given physical limitations, she said to do this, and then also gave me a jump start for such………. But one does learn what’s there……
The brain is an amazing vehicle, so is the body, so is the soul, and so is what transcends that into forever and remains……
Thank you for your effervescent blog, article, story, piece of art you shared here…… I’m glad you made it. Be happy!
Sir, try not to fool people into making out what was said was something else. What was said was “it fools people into believing its ādiagnosesā represent discrete biological ādisordersā that its āmedicationsā can ātreatā. There is TO DATE no real proof that ANY psychiatric medications treat a proven chemical imbalance. That would be a biological disorder. Now, I’m sure you can cherry pick this or that article, but in reality even the drug companies quite awhile gave up on coming forth with what for years they said was “making headway” in regards that their was “compelling evidence,” that they would find proof of this chemical imbalance they said they were treating, but in reality haven’t substantiated what they said they would find. Yes, psychiatric drugs work by disabling natural functions of the brain, and one can scientifically detail how this works, but that does not mean they are treating a verifiable or as was said “discrete” biological disorder.
Mr. Corey Yilmaz, MD. Someone makes a statement backed up by science, regarding psychiatric drugs. Uses accurate terminology. Refers to what would be a biological disorder. You make out she said something she didn’t and then say it’s “laughable.” Is such how you treat your patients who make statement that science can back up, but contradict what you would promote?
I would suggest you try not to insult people who challenge you to respond in a professional way, which so far you haven’t.
And then there’s informed consent.
If then psychiatric drugs statistically, while causing chemical imbalance (let’s just skip informed consent for this argument, not that it should be skipped, but let’s just skip it to make a point), that by disabling natural function of the brain statistically correlate with a lessening of mental illnesses, that would be something, but in reality there’s a spike not only in mental illnesses but in disability. Any reasonable person, with perspective, when ANYONE asks for such a drug, or before recommending such, would explain that it doesn’t treat a known chemical imbalance, that it doesn’t treat a known biological disease, that it causes a chemical imbalance, but disabling natural functions of the brain seems to help for some people. THAT at least should be said. That would be professional and involve informed consent. Anyone who would care to look at science and statistics further, and be responsible might add that since the advent of these medications there’s a spike in mental illness and disability. That also is long term and in general, NOT cherry picking short term results, and a certain populace for whom these drugs seems to work, while the rest no longer take part in such “treatment.” And that it might be better to try first alternative methods, or therapy, or exercise, or meditation, or walks in nature, or art or taking a look at one’s life to see what might be causing the emotion or responses one is trying to get rid of. Or simply waiting and not fighting with the emotion, not trying to push it away, but finding what helps it to go away. All of that has better long term results.
That you are so sure that what statistics show is in correlation with a spike, is treating an actual biological disease, that when someone simply states one can’t really back this up, there isn’t real grounded science to support this, and so states: “it fools people into believing its ādiagnosesā represent discrete biological ādisordersā that its āmedicationsā can ātreatā. You call this laughable, what does this say about your willingness to look at science and statistics?
That’s in general how people behave when someone dares to say something against the programming of what’s made out to be an authority. That’s also what often is most hurtful to people struggling with a mental illness, that they haven’t been able to, or allowed to, or even get in touch with what they really feel, think, or have experienced. And then they hear such responses, as their behavior is “laughable” or they are just “wrong” or “sick.”
Please try to be professional as in: “first, do no harm…..”
Well, I had a neighbor, across the hall, and he had rescued a puppy from, what he told me, having all of his siblings murdered, drowned. He told me that those people had been arrested, and the one puppy, that I knew of, had been rescued. He then told me that the dog was put on antidepressants. What we, and who was left in the apartment building experienced, was that as soon as this man left each day, or each morning, the puppy would howl so loud the whole block would hear it, and it scratched so much at the door that it scratched part of the wood, and the carpet loose. Another friend of mine had rescued a dog from the shelter that was already on antidepressants, and couldn’t handle the dog at all, and had to return it. She was so loving of animals, a cat she had adopted she put an extra door for it in her door, would build special housing etc. This lady was loving to any stray, but that one dog…… I did a google search for: “My dog on antidepressants was a nightmare” and you get hits like “antidepressant poisoning in dogs” or “antidepressant toxicity in dogs” or another hit explaining it should only be for short term.
I’ve read the whole article linked, and then went to a link from the article, regarding that Kennedy wants to send people to farms to work against their will, when on antidepressants, yet one only has to read the link and it says the opposite:
“Iām going to create these wellness farms where they can go to get off of illegal drugs, off of opiates, but also illegal drugs, other psychiatric drugs, if they want to, to get off of SSRIs, to get off of benzos, to get off of Adderall, and to spend time as much time as they needāthree or four years if they need itāto learn to get reparented, to reconnect with communities.”
Making it available for people, who want to get off of antidepressants or other drugs, that such a resource exists, when they want to, this is not at all sending people to force work on farms. It’s more partisan mud slinging to not see that. And no, me saying that doesn’t mean I’m on whatever side, either.
It says “if they want to” which anyone can read. When someone proposes programs for people, if they want to, to get off of antidepressants, this is giving people free choice. In fact the whole article linked https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2024/07/rfk-jr-wants-to-send-people-on-antidepressants-to-government-wellness-farms/ runs about as rampant as saying that any sort of recovery program, would someone want to get off of a medication, that that is something else than it is. The Quakers had such programs and they worked in a way that there was way more recovery than exists now. PERIOD. FULL. STOP. Would anyone read what the articles say, Kennedy is only making such a program available for those who want to get off of antidepressants.
It’s also completely not true that people on this site who have written articles haven’t themselves experienced mental illness, which “Claire” describes as “neurodiverse.” Neither is it true that they haven’t had the more “severe” conditions. Again, one only has to actually read the many articles on this site. In fact, what’s descriptive regarding this site is that it allows people to say things they couldn’t say, so often, to their psychiatrist or even their MD, without being labeled as non compliant, and then forced on treatment. This site also allows people to actually share what was healing for them, even after it wasn’t allowed as a potential. Just read the comments and the articles on this site. It’s also quite descriptive that Claire fails to mention that the majority of what one reads regarding mental illness, from those promoting mainstream drugging: not only is the great majority of it from people who don’t have a psychiatric label, haven’t been through treatment themselves, but it’s mostly those same people (psychiatrists, psychiatric nurses, the drug companies, social workers, academicians, media outlets) that wouldn’t allow a patient to even state the truth regarding whether the treatment is working for them and back it up with scientific and statistical data; that would force, or promote forcing someone who simply states scientific or statistical facts against a treatment on that treatment. That would force a person on treatments that scientifically correlate with causing a chemical imbalance, treatments are said to be treating one when in reality causing one. Nor acknowledge the scientific and statistical data, as well as suppress the stories of those who have found a different modality of healing. Now whose voice isn’t being heard? And you only have to read the articles here, or the comments, and see that there indeed are a whole collection of people who have had serious mental illness diagnosis and symptoms that found healing their own way. Of course there are researchers and others. Of course, and then the whole community of people who have found help in such a fashion, the people that mainstream psychiatry not only refused to listen to, said were non compliant and then forced on treatments that didn’t work for them, and then recovered on their own, these people supposedly don’t exist on this site. People with every bit as severe symptoms, that go for, in whatever way they could find, a treatment that’s not via psychiatric drugs, it is not true that they don’t exist. It’s not true that they ā people who have had as serious symptoms as anyone else regarding whatās called mental illness ā don’t have their voice on this site. Nor is it true that because they healed without or by getting off of psychiatric drugs, that their symptoms weren’t as bad. Neither is it true that Robert Whitaker says that people’s conditions come from their drugs, he simply states evidence that the drugs, when looked at statistically given long term effects, correlate with less recovery. He and many other people also do enough research and have enough perspective to be able to point out when whatās called a psychiatric symptom may be coming from side effects or withdrawal symptoms or from the initial starting period of psychiatric drugs. And no, to label all of that as stating that what was there in the first place, and that people on this site who have found alternative methods that healed them share, that he is saying what they healed when the drugs didnāt help them, that it comes from the drugs, thatās so out of place, despite it dismissing other peopleās experiences (they supposedly had nothing going on with them then, you can just dismiss their story), one can only wonder what is being disabled that the scientific data consistently proves is being disabled regarding natural brain functions, despite itās supposed to be treating a chemical imbalance rather than causing one, when it is causing one. That’s also why a program, for people that want to get off of their antidepressants, would be helpful. To turn that into hysterics, that once again Kennedy said something he didn’t, propped up by partisan politics, well, there you go again. NOTHING is that one sided.
I’ve heard or rather read, that RFK supposedly said people would be forced into farms rather than get antidepressants!? I really wonder what that’s about. What I think is that he simply repeated what history has shown, and also healing homes of Finland, and that, people that would be committed to an asylum, when they are simply surrounded by a healthy life, an asylum, as the Quakers did, where the idea of asylums come from, and that there was recovery. That’s recovery, which then is lacking in present treatment. I think he simply stated THAT, regarding people that would be committed to an asylum. He stated what correlates with recovery for those that would be committed. I don’t think he anywhere said anyone wanting antidepressants should be locked up in a farm. But oh, someone says where recovery happens despite the biochemical model of mental illness that correlates with less recovery, even less recovery than no treatment, then suddenly he’s saying anyone that wants antidepressants would be locked up in a farm. No, he was stating something regarding recovery that’s proven science and history, regarding those that are committed to an asylum, nothing regarding someone wanting antidepressants or not. And I think he also was simply talking about informed consent. And no, wanting informed consent, when people can then still make their own choice regarding whether they go on antidepressants, this in now way turns into him saying anyone that wants antidepressants is forced to work on a farm. I think he stated how the older Quaker method worked, and homes of Finland worked for those that are committed, and there’s more recovery.
Then, supposedly he said false things regarding proof of correlation with school shootings and antidepressants. And he only said regarding the tests that aren’t happening because of information withheld through medical confidentiality regarding mass shooters, that if that information was there, you might be able to further state correlation with the two. And when he says this, pointing out what would have to happen to determine correlation, he’s either supposedly saying there is correlation, which he didn’t, while in reality he’s only stating there’s enough to warrant looking whether there is correlation but information withheld because of confidentiality would have to be looked at, which isn’t done but he and MANY people feel should be. And then it’s constantly said that there’s no proven correlation, but it’s not acknowledged that to prove there ISN’T correlation you’d have to have the information that’s withheld. “We can’t tell you whether school shooters were on antidepressants because that information is withheld because of patient confidentiality,” does not prove there’s no correlation.
Then it’s stated how many people are on whatever, as if this proves whatever works. Then sugar would be a miracle drug in the US given the amount of people saying they need it, or keeping up the habit, along with a whole list of other stuff, like artificial coloring, MSG, preservatives, what have you……anything addictive or mainstream with enough consumer consumption suddenly enhances their life and works. The statistics however show otherwise, and that’s also the case with psychiatric drugs.
No, suppressing symptoms with medications that cause chemical imbalance, while mostly not even giving informed consent, and saying that a brain chemically imbalanced by drugs interfering with natural functions of the brain this treats what it causes, that isn’t treating a chemical imbalance, it’s causing one. THAT is science. To say so many people are on such, does NOT make it science. Added that there’s more disability and mental illness ADDS to the fact that this doesn’t prove it’s science at work healing, it rather proves the opposite is going on. And then there’s the history of making out the disease causes what in reality the drugs do. That the disease causes a chemical imbalance, rather than the drugs scientifically have been proven to, but the disease hasn’t. First the drug companies stating this, AFTER people have been “medicated” and the drugs clearly correlate with the chemical imbalance. Then it has to be proven false, then they have to retract that. Happened with schizophrenia, that supposedly it’s too much dopamine, but then this turned up because of the medications, clearly, after this was really looked at scientifically. Or antidepressants are because of serotonin deficiency, when AGAIN, in reality, that shows up after someone is on antidepressants long enough that the brain starts making less of it. Simple TRUE science. You inhibit serotonin re-uptake and there’s more of it lounging around, and the brain after awhile starts making less. You put another something in the receptors for dopamine and the dopamine doesn’t attach, so the brain starts making more BECAUSE the dopamine isn’t doing what it’s there for, because of the medications, but this is said to be what the disease does. NO! In BOTH cases it’s the drugs. They still haven’t proven any chemical imbalance they say they are treating, although all their medications scientifically cause chemical imbalance. But again, when anyone states these truths, this is “unscientific.” Why is that? Because now 10 percent of people, actually more, in the US are on such drugs. This supposedly proves they need it, and it works. Then AGAIN one is supposed to dismiss science, this time statistics. There isn’t less mental illness or disability, there’s MORE of it, WHEN there’s that many people in such “treatments.”
And then we hear once again that in other countries there aren’t that many mass shootings. It’s not mentioned that probably at least the antidepressant use is 1/3rd of what it is in the US. It’s not mentioned that in those countries the media isn’t bombarded or bombarding people regularly with stories regarding mass shootings. It’s not mentioned that those countries probably aren’t like the US, having a military budget that is more than how many other countries or what sort of population on the planet together and the population might be a bit less inundated with excuses for why weapons are salvation. Someplace RFK might start with, rather than going straight to antidepressants, but that doesn’t mean antidepressants don’t leave a person more programmable to such influences, and there’s enough hinting that there might be such a correlation, but again information is withheld because of medical confidentiality. But he can’t even say that it would be prudent to allow that information to be opened up, to see if there’s correlation. He can’t say that without people saying he says there’s correlation when he hasn’t said so, only that you can’t say that BECAUSE of the data that’s kept hidden. It’s not possible to see whether there’s correlation when what would need to be allowed as data to determine such isn’t allowed.
And then there’s correlation that’s there but is simply dismissed.
In “developing” countries where they don’t have money for all of these psychiatric “medications” and recovery is much greater, then when there is correlation this is dismissed why? Is that AGAIN because it’s another country? Still it remains in THIS country that there is, in the long run, more recovery without such drugs, or when a person gets off of them. Again science is denied…….
I DO think RFK might help himself and the country, that if it’s proven there’s a link between antidepressants and school shootings, or other forms of violence beyond what’s already in the black box warning label, despite the drug companies trying to prevent that, he might look at why people in this country are vulnerable to thinking such is a solution; that even if there does show to be a correlation, it might point out to something else needs to be attended to. Or he might just start there, and start seeing the many ways violence is excused as just or necessary, or defense, when it never really ends up being such in the long run………
This isnāt for everyone to read. I know there are those on this site who have had RSA abuse, and are still healing from it. I had it in a past incarnation, so Iām just sharing what hope is for othersā¦..
I have to add another post, Barbara Rogers mentioned how there were hundreds of cases, and the same thing happened with the therapist that helped Brice Taylor, mentioned in Brice Taylorās book, that she wouldnāt believe at first such was going on that the satanic scare said wasnāt for real, but there were AGAIN what she says 60 other such cases: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wu-SZY5bVr8&t=143s
Itās not like this isnāt part of history, as well. I wonāt go into not being able to read Virginia Woolfās the waves, because, well I used to konk out before the end, like my record player before it resonated with, up above is mentionedā¦ā¦ I saw her there in a crowd having to watch something awful, like they had back then. Then I put the book down, although I since have finished the wonderful novel, the rhythm of lifeā¦.. A whole āfestivalā with food celebration ,dancing, all sorts of colors, decorations, and there I, an autistic boy, not knowing how to respond to life, was put to death. Someone I know now, but got away from for now, first ties me up, stakes me to the ground, and these maniac people acting like warriors start using knives to pull apart, rip off my flesh like birds of prey. And I had already bowed down from making ANY sense out of it, so I didnāt really feel a thing, much, other than feeling sorry for such sad behavior, actually. How could I have āmemoriesā of this āfestivalā like coming from on high, like I was flying in? So maybe we can both survive THAT now. Or another incarnations I shy from going on about itās so ridiculous. Itās like if you have any natural talent in certain areas that happen by themselves, beyond social whateversā¦ā¦ And then returning in another incarnation with the same guy that I was put to death for, that we both were talented what we could do with our bodies, naturally, and having his child (although I was a woman then, we had both been boys or young men before), I remember something ELSE in that incarnation from some Hollywood star now I donāt want to mentionā¦..
Anyhow, regarding the satanic scare, this was going on in the dark ages, in Europe. I was a gypsy boy, a roma gypsy, people who are STILL horribly persecuted, like the natives from the US, and who police kill more than the Black victims, often during āwellnessā checks. I wouldnāt have remembered this but for AGAIN paranoid people, when I was trying to take a yoga class, which I mentioned in another post, years ago, ALSO involving āHollywoodā but thatās not in my post listings, because of hacking attempts on this site, and all such was lost. Just simply trying to share something regarding my love for yoga, to someone who was a teacher, turns out was a social worker, so brainwashed, that there seemed to be no end to what sheād make up regarding irrational paranoia towards me, what MANY people have encountered and not survived thanks to the mental health system. VERY akin to what went on with colonialism. THOSE people are uncivilizedā¦.. She had a friend, that when I simply was myself, sharing what truly was a love for yoga, which I STILL retain regarding any such teachings (feldenkrais, meditation, tai chi which I havenāt gotten into enough yet, etc.) but then I supposedly according to the friend was in the teacherās personal space (turns out SHE was in mine, making sometimes quite illegal presumptions, as if she could read my thoughts, as when I didnāt go to class because I couldnāt get there, instead of that I couldnāt get there, she supposedly knew I was resentful of a supposed disagreement we had (and no one sees what kind of nonsense such is, as if she knew why I didnāt show up, and when I WAS there then again she felt free to misinterpret EVERYTHING, Iām supposedly dangerously in love with her which I wasnāt, itās quite insulting that I would be in love with such a warped barby doll figure, plus Iām gay; or that Iām a dangerous psychotic, when in reality SHE is the one with hostile non-reality-based paranoia) You can look her up Kimberly Slendak-Baker, in Pawpaw Michigan she had an office as a social worker I donāt know her friendās name. That social worker, there also was past lifetime abuse, I found out, I was again an orphan by the mediteranean, first I saw myself knocked out by her, physically assaulted, then I was being sexually abused by her, who was then āhim,ā which was so bizarre, as if that was some ākindnessā of how one treats an orphan, or exploits them, that you only wonder where the flip such ideas came from. So when their paranoia (both of them) as the other remains is said to hit the proverbial fan, I had to start wondering what the FLIP that was all about. What does this have to do with past incarnations? So I saw myself as this young orphan, this Roma Gypsy, and my mother had been murdered. I didnāt know even what the congealed blood was on her body, which must have become cold. Somehow, that night a spirit could wrap me up in a bear skin coat, and I slept, or was it a human? My mother was just gone, although I know who that is now, and also was Giorgione the painter, the father already murdered also has true spiritual connection in the arts, since. It seems. For awhile, a cook in the castle liked to have me around. I havenāt seen him for awhile, actually. A bus driver now. But then this āfriendā of the social worker came along, some violent āsoldierā like person and shoed me out of the castle. This one https://www.tripadvisor.com/Attraction_Review-g1156166-d3172515-Reviews-Baba_Vida_Fortress-Vidin_Vidin_Province.html I as a gypsy was of course āevilā vermin, and unwanted. According to him, this time around her, as this person was female, now, when I actually expressed my love for yoga to a yoga teacher I was in her personal space? Iām shoed out of the castle. It was cold in the forest, and then I found my way to another city, but there I got picked up by someone who was want to pick up such orphans, then handing the over to what he didnāt know was a cult. I remember ending up in a carriage with someone who was supposed to help me, but something was terribly wrong. Like when you gasp quietly inside yourself, feeling something thatās simply shockingā¦.. And my memory went from being in that carriage to being in a closet of a room with a priest who I was meant to give fellatio to. I was a boy of say 6 or 7? 8? I donāt know exactly how they ātrainedā me, whow ould want to know? But this still goes on in the mind control cults the satanic scare says doesnāt exist. Of all places, I ran into this āpriestā again at a party of some politician who now is mayor. The āpriestā from back then was sitting like he was hiding on a bench of an alcove down steps leading to Lake Michigan. Then ended up being still such an āauthorityā being the pastor of a church I had a good friend going to. Of all things he mentioned something that he thought might be politically incorrect with the situation there, given the other people at the party. Then went on about going to give a sermon someplace else, as if it was who knows what glory he was nervous about. When my friend who went to his church died, he caused trouble, I heard, that he was so controlling over what would happen at her funeral, as if he knew what should be said, or represented, saying this to a family member of hers, which I donāt know why I remark about THAT, because that family member had my friend who passed away commited, AGAIN being a social worker with such knee jerk responses. The father of both of them, also member of the church died, and the minister gave a sermon regarding of all things I think tornado storms, likening that this deceased man was a member of his church, that he would know what to turn to when there was warning, the whole glory of what the church was made out to beakin to knowing what to do when thereās a tornado warning, where to turn. I have to add that this poor man who passed away, when I shared people that actually had the same stuff going on that Jesus had, miracles that were made out to be against who knows what (reality, a gift from the devil, who knows whatā¦. Against the FDA!?), then this man who was said to know, posthumously, what to do when there were tornado warnings, told me: āI guess Iām just not interested in thatā¦.ā WHAT is the church supposed to be about? The minister definitely wasnāt a child molester anymore, nor was the politician who had a party at his nice cottage at the lake, but the minister was still quite impressionable, and of course at such a party, I would hear: āthatās the guy thatās crazy.ā I donāt know how the cult, back then, got someone to think being given oral stimulant by a child was akin to wearing after shave, which is how I associated such, that the man then thought he was given some special privileges or cosmetic enhancement. You can only imagine what kind of weird ideas were going on at all levels, what children were supposed to be, what being tended to is, what special treatment or privileges areā¦. How does someone get that messed up? Is it the penal system that glorifies trauma as a means of mind control, and having traumatized a child through mind control to be used such is some wonder!? Like a trained animal that does tricks for special people? I remember some stuff still going on in such cults reported widely among survivors. They would bury me alive, but being just a boy, I could transport my spirit out of there, walk in the essence air or wind has upon the grasses outside, more real than this ābodyā with its limitations. Or they would threaten to throw me out a window, forcefully sticking my head out of it, while holding it would I not be controlled by who knows what, or force me to eat mice droppings. They did have ways of putting you in restraints so you couldnāt move, for VERY long times, I think, I find myself just now remembering, because I still find myself letting go of even THAT feeling when Iām free like I was to walk upon the air that blesses the grasses on top of where I was āburied alive.ā Just stuff Iām forgiving. And then there was a woman I somehow charmed in that city. She liked me, and they got concerned, so they had me murdered in a inquisition like setting. They SURE had ways or torturing people. I still have to laugh a bit being in some device where spring sent prods flying at your face. I seriously had to laugh that people would waste their time thinking this did who knows what. I supposed I ended up dead, and my body end up who knows where, but I donāt knowā¦…I donāt think I was gone, I might have returned just like Tina Turner and quite another fewā¦ā¦
How did I run into this lady that I had charmed, and who was quite a few times very kind to me. Again there was a bit of memory that hadnāt hooked up yet. Years ago, when a group of Russian people came to theCollege I was studying Russian at as a minor, the morning before, not having slept at all, I think, maybe talking to my friend all night, a good friend, she asked me to bring something to an office at the school, and I ran into a precognitive dream. I had had a dream where Mikhail Barishnikov was playing walking up some stairs, tired with a line of tension in the back of his neck, a red line, perhaps what Iām still letting go of myself, he was going upstairs, where one would assumingly sleep, then he had turned into a woman, and was playing the guitar. A secretary at the college office had EXACTLY the same shirt on as in the dream. I actually asked her: āare you Misha?ā and then shared the dream. Of ALL things I later did run into Barishnikov himself. I had gone to A Course in Miracles group where we are supposed to read from this book all the time, in such a situation (something Iāve shared with Jesus himself to give him an escape, sorryā¦ā¦ time changes) I started perverting a sentence beyond what it was meant to mean. And then mentioned to another guy that the next miracle would be that the book sprouts arms and legs and comes to life. If thatās what I said. Anyhow I said it would come to life. During my youth, we often saw Barishnikov play the nutcracker in Tchaikovskyās ballet on television. Which is akin to something coming to life, which the nutcracker does in Claraās dream. I actually then, ran into this woman, who had become āBarishnikovā in the dream. The one with the colored blouse Barishnikov was a bit annoying, he right away propositioned me, actually, and I didnāt respond. But I had run into this woman a few times, even when I was quite disturbed she still was very empathic. She volunteered at a soup kitchen, and once noticed I just missed a bus, and told me how she felt bad for me, but I had caught a bus right after that. We did have a conversation regarding that soup kitchen, how she had to work the whole day. I STILL actually wasnāt recognizing the woman from a dream, actually. Then, still not knowing itās the same woman, I recognized her as the woman I had charmed, back there in Bulgaria, and walked up to her, in the store Iāve mentioned in the other post. I mentioned the history, of how I had charmed her, and then wasā¦.you-know-what, but ofcourse Iām still alive, and its OK, and she smiled quite unrestrainedly, what others might not like it not being restrained in any way, and said: āI remember you quite wellā¦ā¦.ā It doesnāt stop there, because talked to Tchaivkosky through a medium, who was in spirit the whole time, about what was reported as his suicide, and he was good about it saying Iād make it, asking me whether the medium wasnāt like everyone else, since I had become too attached to such, and would have to get away from it, then he told me I would make it, and the medium woke up with tears on his face, not knowing why. Turns out shortly thereafter a letter from the Tsar was found saying that if he didnāt do himself in, heād be exposed. Tchaivkosky had told me that the last two years of his life were very difficult, that someone made a sarcastic remarks, and that was the straw that broke the camelās back. But since, as with Virginia Woolf, I did find heād returned. I would say reincarnated, but being born into a body seems a bit bleak, as if its not the other way around, we add to Heaven, allowing what remains a home thereā¦…Heās an upcoming violinist, also into chemistry, and when I mentioned Monatomic Gold, within a short time Nicolas Flamel became an angela mong us who helped me let go of stuff, even Jesus wasnāt able to, to be completely honest. And with Flamel there was no problemā¦ā¦. Monoatomic Gold being the philosopherās stone.
Did I resurrect as the pied piper of Hamelin, and help a bunch of children out of the same situation I ended up in? I had to look also, that when Mark Twain wrote Huckleberry Finn, whether I was in spirit, Vaslav Nijinsky not having been born yet, because: A man who I identified as an angel among us, because he had that kind of happiness, offered me overalls, stating it was a gift from a friend. Or just they were a gift. I didnāt take the overalls, but having noticed his happiness, found he perfectly fits this guy https://marktwainstudies.com/john-t-lewis-mark-twain-a-friendship/ and then ran into him three times (along with Mark Twain on the bus, the same expression he had when he had to describe how Huck had learned the multiplication table up to 6 times 7 is 35), the second time I ran into John actually mentioning I had run into a friend of Mark Twainās where he had offered me the overalls. The third time there was another āclueā from Heaven, but involving a book I wrote, a novel, not the only suchā¦ā¦. I only recently noticed I had taken on an accent that would be Huckās, just after I was offered the overalls. Now I didnāt manifest out of the ethers or the wave particle duality to be Huck, in ways, thatās a gift from Heaven, but I donāt know what happened after this incident, this supposed tragedy in Bulgariaā¦ā¦ I think itās possible that what remained more real than the physical, that it might have come back, but I donāt knowā¦ā¦. It happensā¦…Iām still shaking off the fettersā¦ā¦ I simply decided to talk a walk today, a quiet calm gentle one, feel my head resting on my shoulders, as those muscles are healingā¦ā¦ But I had to laugh that as I was walking, and there were dogs in a house along the way, dogs that couldnāt āseeā me with their physical eyes, but noticed they were barking exactly to the rhythm of my gaitā¦ā¦. Once while talking to a piano teacher who remained a good friend of mine, a mouse came out and was just staring at me, I mentioned this to the teacher, who replied that she was really scared of mice. Other such with different animalsā¦.. and children I can relate to at a level where they donāt have to forget that Heaven existsā¦ā¦.which is where they come from and pure creativity. And love, to use a severely abused word. In fact EVERYTHING we think otherwiseā¦ā¦.how could that be what gave us a soul?
More what a good therapist might understand is related via empathyā¦.. rather than looking for victim, perpetrator, but simply empathy, which shows thereās another way, and also would heal the perpetratorā¦. And if they werenāt SO FIXATED on āknowingā whatās real and what isnāt, or needing to be an authority regarding who is a victim in order to get points for being anyoneās savior, than not only would empathy be empathy, and the whole way it manifests find the possibility of being understood, even when itās going on with someone else, or in general when hidden and it approached the function of fiction where it CAN be exposed, then time might not have to repeat itself in order to do what itās there for to begin withā¦ā¦.
I havenāt even looked at this site since Saturday, or late Sunday when the stars were outā¦..
Thereās another thing going on with coffee, because after running into the actress that played Mrs. Dalloway, the character that originally was Septimus Smith and her together, but Virginia Woolf split up, I ran into Virginia Woolf herself, or rather himself.
Bare with me, it does have to do with image games, and what you get for being a victim and the whole incredibly deception and mind game going onā¦.
I had already written a composition inspired by her, called mediant. And sorry I should record that soon, havenāt done it. But in ācomposingā or in reality stepping into this space inspired by Virginia Woolf, knowing that she had committed suicide by loading the pockets of a coat with stones then stepping into a river, because she had started hearing voices again and DID NOT want to end up being institutionalized again, one can only surmise what kind of torture went on there. There are enough other people, like Josef Hassid, you can deduce what goes on thereā¦ā¦ But in writing this composition, and thinking about a coat, I decided I should buy a coat, a suite coat, a nice comfortable one: one for her that she could wear, and find comfort. Like what one wears in an easy chair, so she HAD someplace to go. This I had done, enough years ago that shortly after running into Vanessa, I had already started going regularly to a store where there was a worker who first inspired me by the essence of purity I noticed in him. I have to add, although I first skipped adding this, as if reason had to bend over to appease indoctrination, but between writing the composition and when I ran into Vanessa Redgrave who played Mrs. Dalloway, there was enough time for Virginia to emerge in the form she did at a particular store. I heard him talking once, with others, and the sound of his voice made me smile so well, being that there was a matrix of poetry around it, a labyrinth, what I might call a matrix, although that word seems a bit harsh, itās more like what vines do, like words climbing up a trellis to have enough color and dance of movement to create wonder and delight, which they did, or butterflies creating the colorā¦. Seriously, sounds like Iām a bit exaggerating, but Iām not. It made me smile to hear it. I did notice that, perhaps for want of such truth finding resonance, he would have been drinking something with red food coloring, and this made him a bit hyper and anxious, maybe not aware that going along with such social de terminates as whatever pop was that red, and apparently readily part of āsocietyā might be affecting him.. It was funny to see him being one of the greeters who was supposed to check whether someone was shoplifting, but the expression he would pull to show that he was āSUPPOSEDā to be suspicious was quite an example of actingā¦ā¦ I think I had already seen that he was Virginia, and then I ended up at a redbox machine (a company since gone belly up because of streaming services), that had videos you could get for not too much, and he [Virginia] was mopping the floor there. I didnāt say anything, but he was sensitive enough to know I was going through something, I think the mental health system AT THAT POINT would have said I was psychotic, but that certainly is a bit more than they know, have bargained for, or even can diagnose when I go further here. He says: āYouāre nastyā¦…f@#$(k meā¦..ā You know what the @#$( fill in. Which to see the words there sounds like something completely else given the kindness in his words, and the empathy. I didnāt go for that, but said: āI need a cup of coffee,ā and went and got one, to find him still there, mopping. And then, having created the scene, I saidā
āI have your suite, not one that you can [I donāt remember whether I said āwouldā or āfor pilingā but you get the drift] pile stones in to commit suicide,ā follows a pause to come in at a higher phrase note, ābut a comfortable oneā¦..ā I probably took a breath, or soā¦.āItās a musical composition ,actuallyā¦.ā and I might have mentioned it was at home in my closetā¦.
Time passed, I came out of what would be called āpsychoticā and with the same tone pure as any child that Stradivari once got out of my mouth, when I thought I was being completely incoherent, or part of myself did that since Iāve learned to correct from thinking āthatās crazyā¦.ā albeit thatās another story, from a different time, but when he [Virginia] was at the self checkout, taking care if something wasnāt working or someone needed help, I said: āI think youāre Virginia Woolf.ā In JUST such a tone. And then he said, firmly and decisively, but again much softer than the kind of assault such words make people think is going on: āTHAT WON!ā
The kind of nonsense ensued that goes on ANYWHERE where thereās this indoctrinated idea of someone is crazy or not, even when another greeter said: āVirginia was in loveā¦.ā the same greeter would belt out āGET OUT!ā as if who knows what else was going on that never was. Because heās supposed to think so, and gets points for it. I noticed Virginia at one point had died his hair blond, and was playing with some friends close to I think a bus shelter or terminal, maybe with a car, noticed deers the same, when they were trying to get out of a situation, with fences around, I mentioned to him that I had seen him with blond hair and he looked like the younger Mrs. Dalloway (thatās another actress in the movie directed by Marleen Gorris the younger of the same character), and he replied: āthat was funā¦.ā Only a few chance encounters since, perfect with timeās resonance, him looking like a character in a book I wrote, or when he came into a bus I was in I noticed both of us had the same expression of thought that entail the structural (again I donāt want to use this word, because itās not something contrived, itās what happens more by itself), [structural] change of one character becoming two. And when I ran into the actress that played Mrs. Dalloway the elder, I recognized her from a precognitive dream, where she was a sylph like image, being seemingly see through and up in the air above me as I exited a movie theater, where the exit ramp doubles parallel to itself so the incline this involves doesnāt double the length of the ramp. Two parts next to each other, two characters, and I didnāt want to use the bathroom and the concert hall that had such a ramp because there were too many people, and then going to the elevator I ran into the other character [Mrs. Dalloway, Vanessa], she asked me whether I was taking the elevator, I replied I wasnāt supposed to recognize her in the dream (thatās part of the plot, Had Septimus known there was such compassion as with Mrs. Dalloway things might have been different for him, but the whole interaction expressesā¦.. what it expresses). And she told me that she also wished all the people werenāt thereā¦ā¦ Her sister had just passed awayā¦ā¦ā¦.
I wonāt even right now go into the extremely abusive stuff going on, as if there was ANYTHING else going on when I frequented this store, or their alarmist nonsense, which ended up being so extreme itās like the wheat from the chaff in the whole city, would anyone believe such an insult to malarky. Or nonsense, orā¦ā¦..
There was another boy whose soul I touched in with, involving thought, that was Alan Turingā¦.. at the same store. Regardless, neither are working there anymoreā¦ā¦ I think they ended up somewhere where they could breathe a bit betterā¦ā¦.
To make it short, at the self checkout, I had started wondering whether there was monitoring going on, just playing, or whoever I wonāt mention because it gets too complicated looking for a playmate for her son who already is put too much into a monarchal role (when he isnāt even the crown prince, who is now King had a child before this but is still hidden because of image games look up Simon Charles Dorante Day) that in having to have an image he would have difficulty just being himself or humanā¦ā¦ no, there wasnāt such going on, although I had included Chekhov to be along with this ācrown princeā who isnāt really (we havenāt had such ridiculous royal struggles in history yet, as to who is supposed to get the āthroneā), and did run into him, I think. But THAT portal was in a different areaā¦.. his mother came from an East Block country and started a really nice store. I wondered whether there was some basement where this goes on from, had asked and no, thereās only a tunnel, which I decided might be sort of a bomb shelter, just because thatās where theyād be, not some need, really. Just of there was one, it would be there, for whatever reason beyond bombs. But as dadaism goes, I decided to act this out and simply ASK them whether they had a bomb shelter, knowing they didnāt, but heh, this takes whatās otherwise just a non reality based scenario, and might give it further resonance. So, I asked: āDo you have a bomb shelter?ā the lady who looked like she SERIOUSLY needed to brush her teeth some more, they seemed rather yellow from the coating, she laughed, and said she didnāt know, and then I said: āAnd Prince William and Chekhov arenāt down thereā¦..ā then sat down on a bench and carefully gently pried apart layers of the paper knapkins or towels one gets all over the place, which I donāt throw away but keep, putting them in my pockets, usually have such is there a spill going on anywhere, and itās handy; but then I found out there are separate layers to them, a whole motet of layers, and then I liked to draw on them, then dip them in wax, and thought they looked not too much but enough like parchmentā¦.. These people (one male one female) in uniforms show up, asking me: āDID YOU ASK IF THEY HAD A BOMB SHELTERā¦.?ā and they wanted to know why I had such a question, plus it had been remarked that I had been acting weird (I didnāt make any remark about me being weird, or that most people actually probably knew me from having seen me on TV as part of ongoing protests against wars, I only know this because a number of my sisterās friends said that had seen me on the news often, I otherwise wouldnāt have known. I didnāt feel like telling them it was a dadaist exercise, and I knew they didnāt have a bomb shelter, so I said something about there might be some need (wasnāt even at that point using that for any sarcastic insinuations), I just thought they might have thought that was too out there, weird, although I might be wrong one can only hope. Then along with that they said they were concerned about mass shootings, and I AGAIN withheld saying anything, such as: āwell, you MIGHT want to stop escorting people to asylums, where they get doped up with what statistically correlates with such, if you are worried, or rather āconcernedāā which AGAIN I might be wrong about whether I could share it, might still try to bring out such somewhere, but one can so easily be found non-compliant; and I HAVE been asked as soon as someone says they think Iām whatever, whether Iām taking āmedications,ā and then they ask whether Iām having ātherapy,ā and MIND YOU this was involving someone, MORE THAN ONCE, thinking something was going on that wasnāt, and even if itās clear that THAT person reporting you as such is having non reality based thoughts, Iām still asked such questions. NUMEROUS TIMES! Along with these sherif people numerous times asking me the same question: āare you leaving now?ā or when simply asking for some ID, and I went quite briskly for my satchel [ was a bit toked up on coffee] having made some movement that caused him to say that was for his own protection. AGAIN as if something was going on that wasnātā¦ā¦ Well, after that, itās all over the city, added other stuff thatās taken out of context when the other person or people or institution was more inappropriate, or non reality based, all because thereās this label of āmental illnessā on my side. The Wheat from the Chaffā¦ā¦.. And whatās going on where itās hiddenā¦..[?] That ALSO was at the same brand of store as the other, but in a different location, sort of the other side of the city.
When I ran into Mrs. Dalloway in a dream Vanessa was playing that part, but I was Vaslav Nijinsky, and now AGAIN would I go into what happens when I as a simple human being going through what Nijinsky was diagnosed with, and bringing it into reality, where life brings times for me to see thereās such resources as Mrs. Dalloway, as Vanessa Redgrave, who supposedly could have made it ābiggerā did she not make a few points when she won an oscar she wasnāt supposed to, that Iā¦ā¦ on the āotherā side I encounter such ābiggerā winnings from celebrity actors playing image games, after simply talking about the idea I was āNijinsky,ā with people while living in an area where thereās this place called Eastown in Grand Rapids, Grand Rapids having this duality that it might be the biggest small town on the planet, and thus there arenāt any paparazzi, thus these commodities for their image can come here and haul out what they wouldnāt in other places, or itās a place where even I can be free of ā because of THEIR behavior ā ending up turned into something thrown into the media commodities arena, and not have enough life to actually exist to experience what I needed to to heal, would I end up in the tabloids, like any number of people, say Amanda Bynes for example, and then encountering TWO top billed actors, having heard I talked about being Nijinsky, and BOTH of them, who wouldnāt really break the mold they allow themselves to be stuffed into as media commodities enough to be free of image and thus might actually THEMSELVES experience what they were acting outā¦ā¦ I mean Johnny Depp having been De Marcos, and feeling free too act like Iām part of all of that, as if one just takes a pill in the asylum, and bingo he remembers who he is, or Benny and Joon as if ANYONE is given a space for themselves like Joon was, or Brad Pitt in 12 monkeys glorifying supposedly rebellious behavior, thinking heās cute acting out Akithesia or Tardive Dyskinesia, as if itās cute, and thereās are MORE of such movies where someone acts out what the drugs do, as if this is āmental illnessā sat for example Katie Holmes acting out what neuroleptics do to make someone docile, with the voice of a drugged up child in āTouched with Fireā āJohnny Depp and āBrad Pitt,ā BOTH of them making intimate sexual advances towards me, but not actually taking care to reach out to me as a human being, and Johnny Depp acting like some sexual favor is akin to what he gets at his birthday party, because heās a good boyā¦ā¦.BOTH of them all over the media because of the problems they caused with their x-wives where their x-wives are terribly demonized. In both cases I report here, I have to say itās my opinion, from what Iāve read regarding such, otherwise you get you know what. Angelina Jolie wanted to get the report that was made after the plane incident, and filed for this using a name that shouldnāt have caused it to come out (I think Jane Doe), and then of course it comes out, and sheās made out to be some home wrecking demon trying to ruin Pittās life. The children completely free on their own to make choices, and they donāt want to have anything or much to do with Pitt, and itās HER fault AGAIN. She clearly has to say what went on in the plane because the report gets out, which she didnāt want to, to begin with, and AGAIN sheās something evil, because she says how it was perceived by her and the children, although Pitt thought it was just some drunken binge, like when he and George Clooney used to see how mad they could get each other, and Pitt joked that when Clooney had gotten someone who checks luggage at an airport by looking through it in Israel to start taking apart his suite case, and say in an interview there would have been āblowsā involved, as if this is funny, or āfight clubā or mentioning that he had a ānormalā childhood and beat up on his younger brotherā¦ā¦ā¦. Angelina DOES NOT want to have to sign a NDA, because she feels what happened shouldnāt be suppressed, and even when Pitt could have bought her share of his āambitionsā from her without such an NDA he wonāt and so because it also involves Alcohol again, she has enough of it, and sells it just to not have to deal with all of that. As if sheās supposed to suppress what the children also clearly remember and made them decide to themselves to detach from Pitt. AGAIN sheās made out to be something evil. And Amber Heard. One only has to have listened to the trial to see how the multitudes understand NOTHING about real trauma, because the jury [American] JUDGED her on it, as if she wasnāt supposed to respond like someone does that really HAS BEEN traumatized. Or how Johnny thought she was having some affair with everyone she worked with, would stalk her at the movie sets, called the studio, went on and on about her having something with Frank so and so, canāt remember all of this stuff, WHY should we have to [oh yes, James Frank, had to ask google what went with Amber Heard and āFrankā]; and none of that was going on at all, in the meantime, as was his habit, now not only with illicit substances (his amazing ācaretakersā would say that cocaine made him calm, or get him whatever he said he wanted), but with prescribed, over the counter, not over the counter like caffeine and alcohol, who knows what else (probably LOUD JARRING music as if that challenges authority rather than calming down to be yourself), where he even stated he turned into a āmad injun,ā (A guy that filmed a movie as Tonto, because Tonto was so bullied, then characterizes Indians as such) not sleeping a whole night or multiple nights. Well, when under such influences, when the short term memory is knocked out with all of that, multiple ways, and there still is the need the brain has for dreams, to work things out such, and the substances knocking out REM dreaming where otherwise you have sleep paralyses and a person can dream without acting such out, Johnny instead acts out his nightmares, or whatever he conjures up as going on to go with the feelings he canāt process from his youth, from Hollywood and what heās supposed to be that can only make someone feel discarded as human. Any unprocessed notion of whatās going on, the feeling of abandonment from his youth when Amber or anyone else isnāt what his desperation thinks it needs to escape from it, he assaults Amber NUMEROUS times, doesnāt even remember what he was doing because of the controlled substances knocking out his memory, added to this the image heās supposed to maintain to be āresponsibleā jarring against what he did but would have to take some steps OUTSIDE of such image games to remember, or even conceive of (no, I couldnāt have done that, Iām āJohnny Deppā bullying someoneā¦.noā, when poor Amber saw it all and was hiding it from the media because he promised to change: something they both called the monster. He was found to have assaulted her how many times which was decided by a legal system in England from people who KNOW what trauma is (rather than a jury from the one area Johnnyās lawyers saw would be most favorable, who couldnāt have already have had other notions, couldnāt have been free of the media circus, and certainly werenāt routined in knowing how someone with trauma responds to such retraumatizing, and no magic pill with your āangelā Marlon Brandon administering it in a movie changes all of that from Johnny Depp in a state he canāt even remember without for him too much trouble, while he had been assaulting what he thinks is some evil against him, but only what he projects on poor Amber. In reality what could happen to anyone given perspective on Johnnyās life, and Amber understood originally, then even in the second trial said she still loved Johnny. So, where is the courage? Is this what Hollywood can do to someone, or being a Disney hype (I donāt know AGAIN at this point WHY I am supposed to even know WHO these people are, I had to look up Don Juan De you-know-what to get Brandon to come out of my memory: by the way Amber Heard actually, according to me, as art goes, is Jane Austen, and Angelina Jolie is Emily Dickinsonās sister, which is stuff I can remember, and want to). No some jury of people wouldnāt know how someone who has really been traumatized would respond, the same as any schoolyard, the same probably at how many churches?, at political meetings etc. and how such a person responds (not that the English system is perfect, or any other is), but that was because JOHNNY sued a tabloid, and Amber HAD TO start telling the facts, stuff that before that she had been hiding from the media. Amber is supposedly ruining his life, when without THAT court case he would have retained the Magic Beasts role, his career wouldnāt have faltered in other areas, and then he turns it into what he HIMSELF recently called a soap opera, which maybe is an insult to suchā¦ā¦ What does this say about media image games? What does this say about Hollywood or Disney when someone ruins their ācareerā trying to maintain an image they use as a commodity rather than being honest regarding what someone else was forgiving him about, stuff that would happen to ANYONE that had the kind of youth Johnny Depp did, and then looked for escape in such image, or the controlled substances he did, neither of them working other thanā¦ā¦ I mean its like he would need a partner that goes along with his āHerculeanā drug habits and image, then resorts to the same without seeing what it does to either, and would they kill each other or end up like I wouldnāt know what to call such āpowersā¦..ā I donāt think Bonny and Clyde fit, actuallyā¦..
And now as false memories go, and Hollywood and the image game, thereās also the case of Woody Allen that never happened, not even from the legal system is there such a āverdictā, and what the multitudes believe, same as Johnny Deppās insult to a circus or a soup opera, or even a sitcomā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦
Marey OMalleyā¦. “I think the influence of the legal profession who has no knowledge base at all for understanding human development and psychology has created some harm with all of this as well.”
The legal system does have a slight nuance allowing for understanding, sometimes, regarding….. what I try to explain……
I perhaps should state that I go into the nuance here regarding how whatās deemed a mental illness, to give some perspective on all sides, and it might seem to others it goes into left field, or off topic, but in reality it doesnāt, nor is it off regarding the initial postās topic, you just have to read to the endā¦ā¦. And I know thereās stuff difficult to believe, but youāre not going to convince my Iām crazy in that Iām non reality based have I actually experienced them, nor am I going to believe such miracles go flying into oblivion when others say or think or try to convince anyone they arenāt real. Itās a good thing they donāt, and it doesnāt scare me, no matter what others say to the contrary regarding their realityā¦ā¦.
Since the legal profession seems to usually believe that further traumatizing someone (put them in jail, fine them, set up territorial disputes) who is expressing trauma, one could argue, that then further trauma is made out to be the solution to their behavior. But then you do have a little nuance when “mental illness” is involved, which actually is said can be caused by trauma, marginally, or more than that hopefully acknowledged, but then you have the added traumatizing of forcing “treatments” that in reality cause further trauma, again. Every psychiatric drug causes chemical imbalance, causes biological disease. In disabling natural brain functions it disables marginally and temporarily the expression of symptoms (along with a whole lot more, but people are so alarmist about symptoms they see this as being a profit, as do the drug companies)…. and so you have this interim where they say a chemical imbalance is being treated qualifying this because a real chemical imbalance (that usually isn’t really shared with informed consent) has suppressed symptoms, then after that interim everything statistically gets worse, although again you have those in a statistical minority that get points from the mental health system as being “functional” in a society that does all of that.
But yeah, you do have a slight nuance when someone is deemed mentally ill, as if not everyone has experienced trauma, and acknowledging that as an influence isn’t a challenge everyone has in understanding behavior, forgiving people, and moving away from what causes trauma, rather than investing in it more in order for population control.
Now I, after experiencing stuff that I wasn’t supposed to know beforehand, not knowing how to interpret that and needing someone to talk to about that rather than it being dismissed as nonsense, and the whole aftermath (I also had severe trauma from controlling parents, controlling school system, controlling social situations, bullying, ridiculing etc. etc.)…… I ended up being diagnosed as “schizo-effective” after getting slightly paranoid regarding stuff that WAS going on, but I couldn’t talk about, my mother actually having talked to a psychiatrist friend of hers, as if what was going on that I talked about beforehand never had been (all she had to do is talk to the neighbor lady, to find out, EITHER ONE)…. But then comes the nuance, you see. Being trained as a musician, already (not that that’s necessary, it’s innate to the human condition, you can learn all over the place, or simply from being alive), I had that outlet, and instead of it becoming entertainment, I could experience how music is healing, all the arts actually, more than religion, I might say, because you’re born with the response, no one has to tell you what to believe in or what not to believe in, or what “Heaven” is etc. Science, in observing natural harmony, might also be the same, actually. I was put on disability, and so didnāt have to deal with deadline, etc. only the drive of wanting to accomplish what I was told I had in me, already. Also by quite a few spirits via a trance medium. Before diagnosis, I then had been with a trance medium, and talked with Mozart’s mother so many times, the last time I talked with her, and she brought up a time in the Renaissance when she was my wife, and after this supposed drill where she as a spirit through a medium is supposed to ask me what questions I have, and I completely couldn’t think of a thing, only shrugging my shoulders at the pretense of the drill (spirits also are just friends, not some resource for special guidance etc.) and when she just started talking about a memory, I actually wondered whether she had flipped her lid, since I had now gone to the at least THIRD medium, or fourth, (fifth sixth!? or more depending on what you call communication through a medium 7th at least, but that includes what any simple child can do given they are fresh from “Heaven”). OK THAT’S enough musical chairs, and the first response of mine was: “What did you say?” as if I couldn’t hear her, which I had no problem with, I just thought it was…….. since THEN, we haven’t gone through another person so much, actually, maybe I hear her better that way, no more static from any else’s “ego” perhaps..ā¦ That did actually emerge, hearing her better, although again it would be āSchizoā¦.ā
OK! So there is a nuance there allowing me to relate to art at a whole other level, because I couldn’t function with “schizo-effective” to work with this system. And really to say I couldn’t have, isn’t some false interpretation to avoid working, because I worked INCREDIBLY HARD, more than others that were functional actually. AT times, knowing I could lose it or go and “compose” and just let music be there, giving my responses, my brain, my fingers, ears, eyes, everything something to do, rather than feeling I had nothing to do, was just……. dysfunctional, dismissed, marginalized, disenfranchised…… I went to what surrounded me with a white light (I think it’s sometimes called the white light of Christ, but whatever…… it’s light from forever, all the colors come together to make white, all the chakras, all the colors that even science measures with spectroscopy to see light years away what stars and planet and asteroids are made of, what all comes together to make this white light, not something that can be extinguished, only you have to go there, with your mind, you can’t just flip a switch, it’s more the eternal sun reflected in the Universe, in the stars,transcending time and space…… I could be working on a piece of music, then step away from the computer, midikeyboard, synth etc. be making a meal, and then I would hear the same music having taken a new turn, but that would be the same as there’s no difference between inner and outer voices as in “schizophrenia” only the inner voices are more real THERE. I wouldn’t have to “compose” just listen, and not dismiss this, and THERE the “composition” comes from…… YEARS of hard work, having music to share, the best musicians in my area from the local orchestra playing my music, but then I was still……. No, the button to turn me on and be “entertaining” just wasn’t…….. or what they waned to exploit, or turn into their way of how it should be whether my behavior or the musicā¦ā¦…the ego to make certain judgments of how to whatever……
I avoided therapy, my parents were both psychologists, both have passed on beautifully, my mother gave therapy, helped women with sexual abuse extensively…. But so many friends of mine I had seen torn apart by the mental health system and “therapy.” People I could talk to, who had also the same opening, portal, doorway, avenue to something beyond, and could respond without the judgement most of the rest of society had, weren’t even able to NAVIGATE through such to be “functional” at times, or ever……… And then I watched them torn apart by the system, forced on treatments that abused them terribly, and when they couldn’t rebel without the fear of more of it, or knowing that was the result, might switch into compromising themselves. VERY DISTURBING AND TRIGGERING STUFF TO WATCH! Also this friend I shared above in another post……. So I never had therapy, avoided it while on SSI, would go in and out of what might be called psychotic episodes in order to integrate what now has been. Even just coffee drinking, not only does it interfere with Gaba that makes you tired, but increases serotonin and dopamine, and then recently I find out there’s often mold in coffee. Even going off of it, although I only drank decaf, would I be doing this the whole day, even thought like five cups of decaf is about as much as 15% or 25% at most of a normal coffee cup, I think the mold was affecting me. And this was going on for years, probably, plus smoking. The bodyās respond, when given some freedom, does slow you down, or take you out of the rational thinking winding you up to not allow the immune system to take care of the mold, so after an episode, I would come out of it, I think the mold causes some mild infection in the brain, and we have this stuff all over in our body balancing us out, actually, so Iāve learned to get away from this rational stuff winding me up, to be rational where itās rational but not indoctrinated or fear based. Irrational to allow for non fear based rationalityā¦..
I have to add something totally insane here, by the way. Regarding Coffee, I didn’t know that Tina Turner had died, would in these “episodes” play around with a certain Mozart aria, had my turntable record player fixed with a possible device playing around with the wave patterns the electric motor for the turntable that would otherwise konk out after an interim (there’s supposed to be green stuff that prevents it from working butā¦. Despite that it works every time since I introduced this little device that has aā¦. umā¦… little mythological implications with its electromagnetism although extremely smallā¦. something else regarding electromagnetism that has a different relationship with time, like miracles do then collapse a time, as stated in A Course in Miracles, or rather dissolve time that would otherwise be repeating itself when a person has fear thatās causing them not to see what itās expressing from here https://acim.org/acim/chapter-1/principles-of-miracles/en/s/53?wid=toc a few of those principlesā¦. Principle 13. Miracles are both beginnings and endings, and so they alter the temporal order. Ā²They are always affirmations of rebirth, which seem to go back but really go forward. Ā³They undo the past in the present, and thus release the future. (ACIM, T-1.I.13:1-3) principle 47. The miracle is a learning device that lessens the need for time. Ā²It establishes an out-of-pattern time interval not under the usual laws of time. Ā³In this sense it is timeless. (ACIM, T-1.I.47:1-3) Please understand, that Jesus can be a bit taking on too much having been brainwashed that HE was this prophet that HAD TO BY by his family, and when it says principle ā32. I inspire all miracles, which are really intercessions. Ā²They intercede for your holiness and make your perceptions holy. Ā³By placing you beyond the physical laws they raise you into the sphere of celestial order. ā“In this order you are perfect. (ACIM, T-1.I.32:1-4)ā In reality thatās about everyone is Christ, has a soul from the other dimension where it canāt be destroyed, everyone is the resurrection, as well as the second comingā¦ā¦ Iāve had to go beyond him to integrate what he was trying to represent, which is OK with him but thenā¦ā¦.. And thusā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦ Regarding Coffee, I was playing around with this one aria, that had been sung in Mozartās time, would do it improvising on the violin with the record player (I think I canāt share it because of copyright stuff), but was fun. Iād act like the violin squeaking away was the pig replacing the Soprano (funding for Opera is down in the USA), and other stuffā¦ā¦ Here unadulterated by my spaceship turntable, which I canāt share because of copyright issues from youtube, from where there were people that could afford the soprano https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruM8d4vcGec ā¦.. But then, after doing this for years, different layers added on to thisā¦.. Iām at a Goodwill, and thereās a really nice black lady standing there, talking to a worker. The worker Iād experienced before moping around the store thinking she was a good girl and a blessing like a tea kettle presuming everyone wants what itās warming up for, all sorts of these āreligiousā songs, like some annoying thing the wind has to do creaking around the corner of a house, when the wind would rather be free of itā¦.. and thereās an incredible amount of gossip about me, whatever Iāve done, getting radical with people trying to exploit me, with the end result they just werenāt up to it, and then Iām of course called nasty or inappropriate. I donāt know this lady, and sheās moping around thinking sheās being good sounding like some muzak that an irresponsible person forgot to TURN OFF. Before, she was going on, and then she say, seeing me: āHeās nastyā¦..ā I had enough of it, and remarked: āWowā¦.. she howlsā¦..ā Then she says Iām nasty again. WELL! THAT being beforehand, actually. Time āpassesā and Iām there at the store again, turns out there then a nice Black lady talking to her, I could see. I could see the soft energy around this lady, they had an interaction, and as the lady was leaving, the worker says: āShe says sheāll buy me a cup of coffeeā¦..ā out loud so everyone can hear, and then looking at me: āHow do you know I need coffeeā¦ā¦ā Either during this, before or after, I motioned to the woman, sort of a wave, when you at least lift your hands but not too much, to not make it look indoctrinated or officiated but simply human, and smile, again not too much. Just friendly, and weāre both dealing with not turning into robotsā¦ā¦ What I saw who is listed as the savior do walking into a bus, and then I went and talked to him myself, not knowing no one else could see him. first entering the bus I heard a voice says: ānow heās really cryingā because I knew I would fall asleep for a moment, but then woke up after the short spurt and sat next to him to talk, regarding someone I think I knew was his brother back when itās not overā¦ā¦. I motioned to her the same, likehttps://acim.org/acim/chapter-1/principles-of-miracles/en/s/53 any child would to lighten things up. So the Black lady left, and I remembered it. And then I read that Tina Turner had been listed as dying a week before that. Went and looked, can you imagine you can do this on Wikpedia listing everyone that premiered said Mozart work, and sheās listed here, which I had already starting thinking was Tinaā¦ā¦ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caterina_Cavalieri
āCoffeeā
It was Tinaā¦ā¦..
Emotions also, especially in art, they transcend the conscious mind, they resonate with forever, they have an intelligence that brings life together beyond the ego, they form whole worlds āUniVerseā a song that blesses us with the experience of what potential is there to be creativeā¦ā¦. They transcend boundariesā¦ā¦ I donāt think they are limited to being non reality based the way people cut them off, not even trying to see what the mind makes out of them, even when expressed completely non violently, even when others try to intimidate one to think you canāt see any reality thereā¦ fiction wouldnāt exist to have any meaning, neither would imaginationā¦ā¦…art is realā¦…
Now, I do have to add that before I went to get ANY therapy, before I found people again I could trust, knowing past lifetime stuff, which isnāt then past, itās just from forever. I did start, on my own WITHOUT therapy, start to have what might be called āfalse memory syndromeā or āsatanic scareā stuff going on. But then, not going into past lifetime stuff that then WOULD be gone, a dream you wake up out of, I canāt say I didnāt encounter ample evidence that such stuff IS going on, whether or not I was or had been going through it, again regardless of pastlifetime stuff, stuff like a dream one wakes up out of to see the human condition the spirit transcends all of itā¦ā¦ When simple empathy is made out to be āschizophreniaā and one canāt be picking stuff up that whoever is trying to hide, as if it controls the human condition rather than we all have the ability to transcend and heal it, even in the perpetratorsā¦.ā¦ā¦. Wellā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦
I think, given the history of psychiatric oppression, and beyond that relying on anything as open for pickling oppressive history (aka DSM); would a woman simply walk into a psychiatric facility, she’s already facing scrutiny whether she’s: “hysterical,” whether she “is unfaithful,” whether she “is not doing her household duties,” whether she…
There’s a shop in town, called “spirit dreams,” and as if I hadn’t heard this before, which I had, how psychiatrists behave, a girl who had gotten out after her friends had put her in, and lied so badly that rewards have been detracted from their work, and if they show up anywhere I would be norming, they’d have to leave; she [my friend listed as dead] tells me: “psychiatrist says if you don’t take this and this and this, you’re not getting out.” the same man comes tugged like he’s being hauled by rope (which he isn’t) out of that “shop” just listed, and tries to convince me I’m not behaving the way I should towards the female workers. Then lies further more, and again I have to go to the police…..MYSELF! It’s not even that I know too much. Or that I’m not myself and having to step in from Heaven in order to save someone’s memory until they are ready, or reincarnate, or we trade places. Thinking how to make it out of having to think about it to much (like when I ran into a deer with a wound same as another of a blood trick-ling; had it was “Johnny Depp” going out to kill a deer and dump it somewhere where it would “shock” people then go tripling of; when the deer inhaled after simply doing what is supposed to not be done, is impossible and stays there, in forever, I got out of there, didn’t realize it could have been much ado about nothing, and my friend being called “an ass” about the same logistics; only it won’t suffice on stage) I almost offered to sell him a fake Renoir they wouldn’t be able to negotiate out of such, being I know that painter myself, and have something of ours, as if he has 4 secs in order to get one or who knows what. Well: TIMES UP!
A woman can’t go into such a facility without extreme nausea already, from the sheer accumulation of distress hanging around any such “resort.” And then they act like prince charming. Probably religious wars, actually. All the virgin and child paintings sculptures and now the stories also have to be about superman, prince charming, Sir Galahad, or Lancelot and mother instead, or such, just to appease the psyches and Hollywood.
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You can look this up the two that supposedly killed this guy they made this big movie out of who did that, make the movie, and why should we know his name? Now if you look at the two cases most famous of people abducted or were found to be convenient to use for mind control experiments Bonacci and Gosch just look at the pictures of those two and it’s the same if anybody has eyes. You know the people that the whole time are doing drug running if you don’t believe me what was this case about with Mr North where when the CIA wasn’t getting enough money to wage terrorism in South America that they proved that they were making money selling drugs. If the Senate doesn’t give it enough money they sell drugs they call the war on drugs. If you’re on their side you don’t get busted. What is this called besides terrorism? Does it work for it I’m supposed to know this I suppose. Strategically interests or something? For what? No and all the rest of what’s going on though these two people would know everything about the drug running but now it’s supposed to be makes people fit to be put in the asylum so that they can prove that what something that doesn’t cure what wasn’t there until they put it there although these other drugs… the same and make people more impressionable, that oh okay here we have these two guys that’s supposed to kill somebody and we’re not going to tell you we’re actually using mind control still a bit to act like they did something they never did while they’re working for us the whole time, and let’s make it look like we do actually care about underage kids getting involved in such business, and why would that be? Because that’s a big part of the mind control that both of those two had suffered through so I mean that’s a big question why, after all the drug running and if you’re impressionable enough you don’t end up in the asylum right? But somebody who’s not impressionable enough and they might actually lift the wool such have put over others eyes do they ever find a place to heal then oh they’re supposed to go into the asylum. What’s next? Stealing cookies out of the cookie jar you end up in jail? If that doesn’t work ADHD medications or stronger? Then how do you get them in jail if they’re not showing signs of being impressionable enough? Should it be at the local supermarket where they put the stuff you really need so far away in the corner that you have to bypass all the means of distracting you with colors that don’t even look like anything but what’s been stolen for somebody else’s and sprayed on to scramble your neurons with a nice lights to have that already do the same. If you’re actually still buying healthy stuff too much and don’t get distracted and doesn’t add up to what it’s supposed to end up then then what? Or is it the commodity of what’s considered I don’t even know. Like me sitting in a coffee house with Brad Pitt and the sole of the tabloids he’s dating her when he wants to have sex with you and he doesn’t know whether she’s mad about it it doesn’t even have to name her name and if you don’t know who she is then again you know the pressure building off and you might end up in jail. Or the asylum. I don’t even know what that’s called there’s a word for it and who made this movie and ready to get his degree? Where did you get it from?
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Auto detect seems to find poetry with pushers and Portuguese, either that or there’s a ghost listening SO intently fascinated with what kind of stuff comes out of my mouth considered by him poetry, making some sense in non scalar wave pattern harmony, something which otherwise usually is called “interferences,” that time complies.
What I thought would be detected was me saying: “Why don’t they just put the psychiatrists in jail with the rest of the pushers?” But then in Portugal so much that in other places is illegal isn’t, and their drug problem plummeted? Now, I don’t know whether such of psychiatric drugs didn’t, which it actually didn’t. It went up. It didn’t plummet. THAT problem did NOT plummet. So maybe just put the psychiatrists in jail. You know, like this: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3r4zrg35vlo WAIT NO! That’s like this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bryan_Kocis Where one of the two said to be put in jail was actually Paul Bonacci, who they forced Brent Corrigan to record and then supposedly such proved he was accomplice to what never happened, and was akin to a Hollywood movie doing nothing but steering people into ideology others profit from without profiting but with money, which isn’t profiting. You see, somehow they “convinced” Brent Corrigan he had to do that. NOW!? What do they get out of that. Then there’s a movie, thanks to “Hollywood” and of course a disney actor who isn’t out till afterwards. And Brent is right in not approving of the movie. https://www.attitude.co.uk/culture/film-tv/brent-corrigan-accuses-james-francos-king-cobra-of-showing-contempt-for-gay-culture-290368/#:~:text=3%20October%202016-,Brent%20Corrigan%20accuses%20James%20Franco's%20King,showing%20'contempt'%20for%20gay%20culture&text=By%20now%20it's%20no%20secret,producer%2C%20the%20late%20Bryan%20Kocis. The day AFTER they were supposed to be put in jail, or who knows how many of too few, he was in the same coffee house everyone goes to here, having went up, and I drew a picture I no longer have but for looking, asking him whether he wanted it, to find I stated it’s better I keep it. Well it’s hear somehow [here here], and no he wasn’t Kerekes, it was the other. It’s also a major element of satanism to have something done, then tell the “initiate” that they did it. HOW that turns into THIS MESS!? Oh and Paul Bonacci had multiple personalities “they” said they were helping him integrate. I know better. I LOVE Paul Bonacci, and he was EXTREMELY frustrated, after building himself up to have such a healthy body that he couldn’t just be friendly with me, and that WAS because of these “psychiatrists” and “priests” and the rest of such pumping him up that the VERY system promoting trauma (and YES also with psychiatric drugs mislabeled as medications), that THAT system wasn’t doing what it’s been doing the whole time, and investing in the VERY SAME ideology that caused all of it. Well, Paul knows better by now. THAT I know.
And what is this about committing drug addicts? Who are they supposed to help put in jail to make people think it’s working, when it’s another false ad!?
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Would you really have understood what the author meant, you would have needed permission from the author to state that, after having discussed or interacted with the author about it. Not only is that the way to go that is the only way it can be done to state that you understand what’s going on. And according to your statement you would have had to also state why you wanted to know whether you understood what was going on while asking permission to share your understanding. Have you done this?
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Why don’t they just put the psychiatrist in jail with the rest of the portugues? I mean pushers? Okay we should all go to Portugal and then what are we supposed to put in jail?
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I understand giving a gift and not asking for something. But I don’t get asking for something and not giving a gift so much I guess. I guess it depends on what you’re asking for. If you were asking for the ability to give something then yeah or not?
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Shock therapy isn’t “therapy” it’s the same as the other “medical” therapies at large called psychiatric interventions, it’s for the “doctor” or the “medical institution,” it’s to bully the patient into submission. What’s sad is when a person believes there’s something wrong with them do they not adhere to “whatever” the “doctor”or the “medical establishment” or the “society” would try to imprison them into because they worship fear and trauma.
I ran into someone who I found had herself put into an asylum, given shock therapy, and this was only because… because of what? As a child she at one pointed started talking a lot, and the parents didn’t like it, she was put on drugs that caused her to gain weight (her father then chased her around with a belt blaming it on her), she was in a school at the asylum, and would fall asleep because of the meds, where upon the doctors told her father to punish her, she knew all of this, shared it with me…. Knew all sorts of stuff, how when they supposedly emptied the asylums (because SSI was started, and they found out that so many of the people, which is what they said as if anyone belongs in such a place, that they weren’t “crazy” they just had lost sight of how to be in society having been in an asylum so long; and one could have anyone committed for 500 dollars back then), and when they let so many people out of the asylums they had just come up with their lies regarding chemical imbalances so touted this as the “miracle” cure. She with others, one guy whose father was somehow head of who knows what in the system, we sat at a restaurant and they told me all of this and more. But then, only because she had been talking about getting married with a guy, and he told her father, and her father was the guy that already had done what he did in the past when she only needed someone to talk to, so she put herself in the asylum for shock “therapy.”
And it I go on about this one person, what all happens at other levels when she has no one to talk to, including bigotry against homosexuality as if its compassion, well, lets just not get into that. But I wrote about her here https://oelte.wordpress.com/2013/01/ But she had to learn not to try to harness what isn’t there for such to her ideas of what should be there for her. Pythagorus had refused to compromise his following for such means, and she had the whole school building with all of the followers in it burned. The same she thought shock therapy would…….
Last I saw her, she was staying with her mother, who I think got a divorce, and had someone to talk to.
When I went to visit her in the asylum, there was guy standing there I’d talked to. I asked him what he was doing there, and he had no idea anymore, was so doped up. I told him to just do as he was told and he’d get out. Then I heard from the girl I went to visit and another that the doctors couldn’t figure out whether he thought he was female, or just thought he was pregnant, so he’d been in there for a month. 1,000 dollars a day for these aces to…… The hospital that sent him there, because he went in saying he was pregnant, I’d called them a few years ago, rather bored with chatting online at a gay site, wanted to do something crazy and asked them whether they had pregnancy tests for males. I was told no, by someone sounding so mundane, I later thought I might have informed her it was a serious question rather than auditions for Pagliacci.
He got out, I met him at a park and started feeding the seagulls by throwing pellets of bread in the air. Found a discarded loaf along a place where I later teleported to the other side of a building, having let go of fear to just do something good rather than even would I have done the “same” thing I would have out of fear of “consequences.” The loaf I kept, and made pellets out of for just whatever moment, which arrived, and at another portal location I fed or rather played with a whole flock of seagulls that caught each pellet one by one, never fighting about it whatsoever. The lion called Elsa whose life was depicted in Born Free, the movie, she popped out of nowhere there once, before this; another time a few years later, when I was in the habit of other crazy stuff (I made a joke about Mother Theresa having her way with me that I won’t get into); when repeating this bad joke, I stepped through a block of wet cement without it leaving any residue, so she did have her way with me, and helped in other ways. That’s several outlet locations: a big retail store, the other where a mall and other outlets are.
There’s another such location where I guess a cat popped out nowhere, also. I had read of a cat being offered for I think 26 or 35 thousand. A cat that was a mix of different breeds including wild ones. You could get the cat, and then have someone in your place for a week teaching you how to take care of your cat. The ad didn’t say (as bad jokes go): Get a pure bred pussy with pedigree plus someone for a week teaching you how to take care of it. The one that popped out of nowhere, pouncing around like Djokovic the tennis player, that was just in the reeds among some water outside of an even bigger mall. Either it was an angel among us, or someone let their……
Healing happens, you just have to pay attention to life, it isn’t sane.
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I thought my friend Boyd, Josquin’s beautiful son was working there. Maybe his cousin who died of AIDS they would say was the one that came fluttering in like a maple seed twirling in the wind, or maybe it was Pegasus to pick up Jesus, from that kingdom. Maybe it was Jesus maybe his cousin didn’t die. Maybe Josquin’s son didn’t even have Aids although the hospital said so, maybe he had taken Pegasus and flown into a meeting with the gods and having been Friday Kahlo got them so confused that when they were finished banging their heads together about him they were all unconscious and bullets and rules were suspended. Maybe because he was little mischief when his father said it would be funny if he grabbed the goblet of Jesus blood during mass and gulped it all down that then such an ejaculation into his mind cleared out whatever the hospital was going on about or caused. Maybe because he was Jesus’ father’s grandfather when Jesus was Menasseh that he was there and it was his little spring of hair curled up in a prayer doll container after I put the dolls in a resort and made little new ones from plastic and twisty ties? I couldn’t tell the difference once already and I had to go to the other side so my left eye was closer to his right. Then Frida kahlo’s mother convinced me she was his father but younger than him, which kind of strange because we’re both older than I thought she was although I thought she was his father, and he’s only two years younger and I’m his father? Stuff does get mundane of course and then both Frida’s parents showed up at a store where they were carrying a child that was suspiciously completely not Latino. Then I realized that was the child that the girl’s sister who the boy was trying to abduct back into you know where had because of her father who then I was told killed the child with a knife just in case they thought they could get out of the cult was none of them are in anymore, which I haven’t told you because it’s in the next few sentences. Then I ran into Jesus thinking he was this poor boy that fell in love with me, was supposed to abduct his sister back into a satanic cult and instead said: “I’ll just sit on the hood,” time will pass but love never fails. So that’s all healing or healed, and Jesus got a chance to talk to and be with the father he never had on the Earth but once. And the first was not one too many! But for Christ’s sake who is going to pay for the bananas!? I mean really like they grow on trees or something!? Don’t you know that [they] come from outer space? Go to any supermarket and there they are down from on high…. I mean people talk about banana republics but those people aren’t civilized they don’t even have enough money for psychiatric drugs, let alone shock therapy!
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I wonder how someone can heal after such. I have an anecdotal story, anecdotal but not hearsay.
There are other forms of electricity, such as the spaceship that according to the Catholics trying to shut down the real people’s knowledge, and even the real appearance of what was called Mother Mary (and further more, well I forget further more). The other form is like water off of a Duck’s back, or why when you’re swimming the water doesn’t hit you back like a rubber band would. It rides on the non scalar part of the waves that even present “science” will tell one move at a speed where time has stopped.
My friend Josef Hassid had shock therapy, you can look it up in Wikipedia which STILL might list that the effects of it were signs of “schizophrenia.” That he couldn’t recognize his friends. Since he’s where he is, I noticed that resonance with lightning caused at one point extra credit on a digital bin. Also there’s math involved where negentropy allows changing from positive to negative. And so I noticed from buying what I bought (bananas) which actually then was all they had somewhere, this occurring. More recently I was talking with a lady from Vienna, who I had followed then, because I could, and noticed she worked as a maid for Constanze’s (Who became fortunately Constanze Nissen after being “Mozart”), her husband or to be when not being yet. He wouldn’t allow her to see the records he was keeping, and all she was was curious. I encountered him again as a stupid judge, STILL keeping records that end up in a book that does little good, this regarding the city’s history. Anyhow. Talking to this nice maid, who was dressed as such: open shirt, no frills, just black and white, changing to these times, I was acting as if a creature the same size as the one said to be a Marian apparition (about the height of a youngster before the last grow spurt, bald, no body hair), although I was just acting as if the bananas in the bag I had put down on the other side of the counter where she couldn’t see them, that this was whoever or whatever was there. Then I just left, after whatever interaction officially was finished, and noticing the bananas weren’t with me, found they had left this dimension. [follows investigation] Recently, digital credit allotted me for healthy stuff, which is digital on a card, the card showed up on the computer as having paid for bananas again, but not online at all.
Well, I see now what’s going on. The store, and “whoever” is running things, regarding people I have to go to the police about regarding CITY WIDE slander, from “Meijer” corporation. It was delayed a day. Would it show up on my tally online. And this same month the stuff that should have been registering as covered, was, for me to find it wasn’t. [investigation finished, will be part of police report] Regardless.
https://www.ancient-origins.net/opinion-guest-authors/miracle-sun-1917-ancient-angels-fatima-possible-common-origins-star-gods-021106#:~:text=Getting%20your%20Trinity%20Audio%20player,are%20just%20two%20of%20them.https://www.ancient-origins.net/opinion-guest-authors/miracle-sun-1917-ancient-angels-fatima-possible-common-origins-star-gods-021106#:~:text=Getting%20your%20Trinity%20Audio%20player,are%20just%20two%20of%20them. That linking explains what really was going on with the same energy that shut down because who knows what (lumberjacks wouldn’t have to cut down trees for electrical wires to be high enough, who knows what else. So, there are other wave patterns that aren’t locked into this cause and effect people ALSO lock onto as in this, this nonsense that time is ticking along, confines people to what they can trap it into repeating, according to these ridiculous experiments where you REPEAT something a quantity of times and start getting percentages, as if people are such……..
Happens. Even with what’s now made out to be electricity. Jesus showed up from the free energy, just when lines were lined up to blow down here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Fire which of course ALSO isn’t mentioned in wikipedia. Nor that God is so playful that when you act like the neighbor’s horse left something behind, to be able to stomp into wherever you want to share baked goods resembling such, slam it down in “disgust” as if their horse left it there, and leave what one isn’t allowed to share in “communism,” that just mentioning “the horse,” you can perhaps get the “authorities” to think you aren’t sharing something but trying to maintain “order.” I had such an act going on, ready for the transfer, and Jesus having wanted to know regarding the same location how his brother was doing (from another time, and his brother is Shakespeare), and the line “My Kingdom for a Horse,” ….. So here we go……(did I spell their correctly!?) I never have seen someone so happy, so happy thought the curl of hair I have from him was first, after spending time with anyone one is allowed to and getting married to him, I thought it was his beard or lower. But no, it was from his childhood. But that’s how I recognized him. Thought it was his great grandfather from the brother he referred to. I thought “so and so” is working there…… but no, he had the same hair. Recently, because of a shirt I bought for him, that is a clean as Heaven, he’s quietly showing up, having outgrown the shirt, maintaining the same fashion. And I got to talk with his mother regarding how beautiful we both find him now.
OK!?
Don’t worry about the Horse. The neighbors feed it so badly that it takes hours for it to expel what’s left from the digestion: literally hours! And by the time such poor toxic compressed remains comes pelting out, before it even hits the ground having been expelled, the jet power emitted has lifted the Horse so high into the ozone layer that it must have had wings to get there…..
Some people call that “thrust” or talk about “the big bang,” but no: wings are wings.
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What I’m saying is you can’t even go down division without one of these characters going up.Giving anybody a gift that’s not wanted is inappropriate. A real gift is something other person wants it’s just this therapist want the girl to find somebody else we should parody happen for healing. But then they don’t have that matrix to say here somebody that would help. It’s just bad insurance it’s like now everybody’s supposed to buy life insurance because they’re selling it I noticed although it’s not, well I wouldn’t know it was on the television all the time a while back when I was watching. They buy it you get paid something and then they get it when you die. People pay for other people’s life insurance that they give another person dies. Before that it was, just like my ass, contango! The futures for spring weet [k] with the future is gone above what was listed so the farmers could actually grow that’s why there was a listing the wheat, then kaboom the whole market involving food with a whole country’s half starved and then this is because they had to make up reasons for the collapse so that it didn’t get who knows what would have happened. I mean to become ridiculous pickles would cost $2 million dollars or something. Yeah it was for a while under Nicole Smith her esteem left. Those pickles might be that much? When you said that giving a gift to therapist is beyond all boundaries were you referring to Naomi Klein’s book fences and windows, and sorry if I’m giving that away. That artist Pollock whose stuff is gone for him so much you’d have to spread this output amongst a few billionaires is not more than that, I wouldn’t even know if there’s a billionaire’s club against Pollock, as cozy as Mr humphries, he [ not Humphrey with his clock] was hiding out in my city also for a while under the name Beverly. And not even just a little bit since 1988 at least. I had figured this out and she could always have stuff for sale , every time there was a art fair downtown there’s that person again, in fact I have a rosary[I was told she made that that either wasn’t Beverly or she was lying] and one bag, but somebody was buying one of her stuff, I don’t know what it was, and there was some question or so about how much she gets, I don’t know why somebody would ask that question other than whether she’s taken care of it’s like excuse me…. I mentioned the full price. Now the bus drivers think that Beverly has gone into the rest home for elderly but no I saw him camping out in the mall at Starbucks. If it gets so far that somebody Thanksgiving is hiding the message and such a fashion I think that’s more the therapist that didn’t work? Or is it Humpty dumpty? The English messing around with China the Opium wars and the whole country falling apart. Where there’s a wall…. And then the English introduce opium on purpose to disable China, just like they said they would defend the whites that the Bolshevik rebellion to make sure that it didn’t happen, and then you got communism because that was more favorable to keep Russia and Germany separate because Germany was so expansive and capitalistic; then world war one with they had everything divided properly, then after Germany was completely disabled but not yet considered a developing country the whole break down that caused you know what to get Germany and Russia apart because if they were together the one Central area in Europe together with the other side of the continent well….
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My city gives a gift to the people that they have Parks and recreation where you can get yoga cheap. That is a gift. The result was that there was a yoga teacher while she thinks she’s teaching yoga she certainly was not they seem to think so as well, one could not actually expect her to take any view on what was going on other than what profited her and her cult behavior. She had convinced a bunch of friends that I being a gay person was in love with her and that schizophrenic behavior later on she tried to make out caused her to believe her life is in danger. The schizophrenia behavior referred to with me knowing better than to get involved with such stereotyping whether it’s from Hollywood, from psychics, or from her. So yes a person should ask whether a gift it’s something another another wants you say. Consequently the city should have asked everybody taking a class of her whether they interested were in having a bigot that is paranoid and has a cult following that can pull the wall over the city’s eyes waste their time and think this is appropriate because she sees herself as being above such honesty as the instructor. Her name also was Kim. I’m in the class I took the beautiful actress that played David copperfield’s wife who he married after he lost Dora was in the class. Added to this this person that was assigned the profession of a social worker actually very clearly said to the whole class she was teaching after she had just started the extreme abuse towards me that she wasn’t mad at them she was just acting, so you can add that to the whole list. I had mentioned this to the mayor of the city at the time but decided to retract it until now. As it stands now would she even try talking to me which would even a hi means all I would have to do is call the police and she would get arrested. At the store she even when I was standing behind her mentioned to the cashier that I could make her look like a prostitute. That might be more than being arrested. Have a nice day.
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Writing a book this is a difficult task. JK Rowling said it was because her mother died that all this drama exists between the two most famous students, both evidently having extreme problems at school. I actually ran into her mother three times. First time I just thought that lady looks rather invisible. She was vibrating as if you could see through her and then she got off close enough to The Calde, a statue we have in town. As I try to collect my thoughts with the horrendous booming outside I’d like to hurl a missile at and watch the implosion when the heat collapses of such insensitivity and the woof of smoke rises out of it: of cruising. Then she was on the bus and still having reactions that they called the disease I think they called such multiple sclerosis but it might have been from the medicationing they gave her for it, or who knows what. One actually can get the symptoms from what Donald Rumsfeld had put into production called aspartame, and that will also kill you, so she was going to get coffee so she had it would she be that she wanted it in the morning. Last Sunday before I ran into my friend of true love, sitting there quietly, I did run into her mother again and she was just wild and said you know me and I said yeah you were invisible she said she’s always visible now and then I mentioned how in between seeing you at the second and third time I ran into Maria Callas and I thought that that [Callas] was her and started talking to Maria Callas. And to feeling more of nothing both actually said the same thing to me regarding the day which was good. Maria Callas, after me think I know who she was, said it must have been somebody else, fun actually apologize because she was so involved with her own thoughts and couldn’t talk. I didn’t complete everything I said, just did, now through these characters that make up words that thanks to your eyes you here in your mind, it was so fleeting. And then she must have disappeared and I found my friend again. He walked away just like in the dream over the water, which was in the dream. It’s funny thing is but I must mention his flunky Peter drinking it in from a dream saw the same thing and told the whole world that he had done such but she [he] never did and Peter trying to get to him [in the dream] had fallen into the water needed to be rescued and still told everybody the same lie. In another time moving through the Indra valley or playing he needed monkeys to do such work for him. I don’t know if they could have called or hauled him out of the water but he would have expected so. But writing a book is a very difficult thing all the emotions to come up and simply trying to look beyond the boundaries of time to allow it all together… it’s seriously: it’s like having your head in a vice and as hard as you tried to look at what’s there on your right which would be something that comes together with the rest although you’re physical eyes can’t see it, it’s like you need the strength from some hydraulic mechanism that would lift something to the top of that highest building on the planet. Just be able to work yourself through to what’s going to bring everything together when the whole world says hey, that’s just luxury. Imagine walking around such pressure on you all the time! Or don’t. But it did at times seem like that for me. Doesn’t have to for everyone. For Christ’s sake don’t think everybody has to go through that!
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Sorry, I meant to have sock and plural.
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“When you ask for something and offer a gift at the same time, it becomes convoluted.” There must be more to convolution than asking for something and offering a gift please supply us with the list. And please regarding what is convoluted that goes along with giving a gift as well as what is convoluted that goes along with asking for something. Thank you.
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Giving a gift shows that there is no loss in giving. Thatās a different world than the calculations of what one is supposed to get out of something, and wager it as a loss. Who then is supposed to go along with this, and āGodā as well!? There are then systems that try to regulate this āCapitalismā then says one thing about it, and what they call āCommunismā another. Either the one authority is supposed to be who shares, so it gets shared, or the other is the one that makes the channels for it. Both times the majority ending up, not in the hands of the intended according to the true meaning of the system, but in a chosen few. Yeah, I see that hand knot (not machine made) socks would interfere with these chosen few. I also think that anyone who has truly given, they see that thereās no loss, even though the world makes it out to be who knows what, instead. And yes āmiraclesā happen, according to those saying how things work, as if reality is impossible. Or that human nature is something different than itās true expression.
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Would anyone actually read this article, with the intent of comprehension, rather than going along with the fashion present regarding such [therapy, psychology, etc.] one could easily see that Catherine, in how she heals, and what kind of matrix of interaction giving someone a pair of knit sock meant, and how healthy that gesture is; to have someone make that out to be convoluted, not only points out that the “therapist” the whole time had a whole plethora of bizarre interpretations, and the whole gambit of game theory that R. D. Laing clearly , with his research, shows shuts down healing; then to include yet another bizarre interpretation or more than one, right in line with what shut down healing, and make this out to be what!? And Catherine is supposed to allow conversation on this, akin to a black slave in the old south sitting down to hear an exposition of WHY his master supposedly is superior to him, and he’s there to be his master’s slave, and “god” wanted it such, just when the “slave” has started to realize otherwise, or is healing from it. And one can fantasize that everyone agrees with this, that Catherine is responsible to “listen” having played game theory and adding up what “profit” there is from such, but…..
I think Catherine has found people she can listen to.
And not with people who think sharing a pair of knitted socks is “convoluted,” or that someone who disassociates, and can’t even remember everything consequently that went on in a session or integrate the emotional response, who thus records it to actually help with healing 9again very clearly explained0, that this is instead what!? And getting away from it is what!?
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My goodness!
I never had therapy, with such people. And then I found that anyone calling themselves a social worker could make up the same array of abusive nonsense, would people get a bit offended was anyone not hired, officiated, locked in or imprisoned by their bulk equivalence of āhow-one-should-behave.ā Make it up, tell the authorities, and voila, you have the scarlet letter all over again, only now itās a C for ācrazy.ā
I did have, actually, something that was called therapy, although I didnāt see it as such, and am NOT going to be fooled into making it out such. I ran into people that channel spirits. Just another perspective, like talking to someone that sees differently, in their case itās more they donāt see the one point in time our eyes see, given that when you look at this you donāt see what the next post is going to be, they might see all of that akin to an array of potentials beyond just one point. And then they have to take over another human beingās body to talk, so I wanted to get to know them. It was funny, sometimes. My best friend being Mozartās mother, she had come through so many mediums, that the last time, having come in with a sleepy hi, and then the question, as if sheās on duty: āWhat questions do you have for me?ā I totally blanked out, like you might were you asked to tell someone why to be a politician your hair has to resemble something thatās been shellacked or a duck decoy, itās this nonsense āadultsā go on about, and to anyone still fresh enough from reality, you just shrug, and take on the expression one has wondering why such billed on billboards is in such large print, being your eyes, really arenāt that large, youāre not deaf as if the size increases the volume, and you are to be amazed. She started then, after a pause just being herself talking about a memory that resonated so wonderfully thereās been miracles, poetry, friends from nowhere and more wonders out of nowhere. But at first, it being so out of sorts, I said I didnāt hear what she said, and she repeated it. I must have been talking about wanting to hear it without this medium. I actually thought: āhere, sheās flipped her lid, you see try all these mediums and sheās lost it.ā Because such stuff really doesnāt go along with the whole shall we say pretension that the spirits are the authority. She didnāt lose it, and I havenāt asked, or had to, deal with mediums. I did find a therapist though who she could move through, and simply respond to my thought, at the moment. But that only needed to happen once, and was nothing more than a āthank you,ā because I was thinking as thought goes.
Then the person I was thinking of, or another like him, when thanked because I at least cared to see someone was trying to express themselves, he got on a bus with me, then grabbed me, just like here. As Emily Dickinson describes:
āHe strained my faithā
Did he find it supple?
Shook my strong trustā
Did it thenāyield?
Hurled my beliefā
Butādid he shatterāit?
Rackedāwith suspenseā
Not a nerve failed!
Wrung meāwith Anguishā
But I never doubted himā
‘Tho’ for what wrong
He did never sayā
Stabbedāwhile I sued
His sweet forgivenessā
Jesusāit’s your little “John”!
Don’t you knowāme?
Then little Johnās friend himself showed up. Saw him last Sunday, just sitting at a quiet spot. I had bought him a shirt, a bit gothic in style, years a go, for just that age, had felt rather pretentious about it, as one is want to. Had completely forgotten, but then he showed up, after spending considerable time with me every day for a week and a half, showed up with the same style, that he would have out grown the shirt, and then again, the same. A week and a day later, or as they say, forever and a dayā¦ā¦
If a therapist isnāt going to be a friend, then they should justā¦.. F! O!
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I came up with a VERY sarcastic synopsis, mostly meant as humour, but who knows.
I was wondering how āscientistsā or even ādoctorsā go on about having intimate relationships, do they ask each other: āShall we see if we can interact biologically,ā and then making we wonder what kinds of tests would be involved. Whether mathematical or involving personality types. BINGO! You would have to go to a psychiatrist and see whether or not your partner is ābehavingā in a way that needs adjustment or not! Given that the most prescribed drug is antidepressants, and it HIGHLY interferes with biological relationships, in that a gross number of people can not achieve orgasms or even feel their sexual organs anymore, which may go on for years. THERE you go, antidepressants might be our savior, that biologically they donāt really do what they are supposed to āscientificallyā when such people interact, otherwise WHO KNOWS what kind of a system weād live in. My friend talks about this a bit: https://caroleveretthealingsanctuary.co.uk/a-vision-of-tomorrows-world/ But really!? WHAT kind of tests would be added if the main psychiatric drug prescribed actually did promote biological interactions involving procreation!?, Or just enjoying sex for the comradery!? Would we all be bred like horses, or cows!? Think of the use as labrats that might come out of antidepressants improving sexual function!?
Iāll give them a hand, those amazing aces. Once again theyāve outdone themselves!
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It might be actually someone else was Joseph and they were so simple and simple just so that yeah so I get it now that’s so that social worker might not actually have been Joseph. that might be the composer who wrote a song about “lasciate mi morire.”
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Psychiatry is like soccer? Are you saying that we are like a bunch of insects that will end up being victim of those who are throwing us into a web that just teleports all over the damn place because you said the goal posts they are changing? Give me like this? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netherlandish_Proverbs
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civil: 1.
relating to ordinary citizens and their concerns, as distinct from military or ecclesiastical matters.
“civil aviation”
commitment: the state or quality of being dedicated to a cause, activity, etc.
“the company’s commitment to quality”
!? What does this have to do with aviatory companies?
I went to the beach, and someone I won’t bother to mention since she’s already harassed beyond recognition, she didn’t like a thread of citrus rind, so she had thrown it off. One of the seagulls, after I called them into a murmur flew down making me think it had seen something that only looked like what it was after, but no, it was edible. It actually was that thread of rind. Having not thrown off with it, I jabbed my fingers nails into making bite sized pieces and sure enough they went for it. I was a bit surprised that, when you throw other things down for them to gobble up, they then might either fight about it, or are acting as if. But in the air, they always are beautiful in their murmurings.
“In the Bible, “murmur” primarily means to complain in a low, muttering voice, often out of discontent or dissatisfaction, especially against God or those in authority. It’s a sin that is frequently associated with grumbling, fault-finding, and a lack of faith in God’s provision or guidance. ”
And then: “A murmuration is a spectacular aerial ballet performed by large flocks of birds, most notably European Starlings, characterized by their synchronized and fluid movements, twisting, turning, and swirling in unison.”https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0sE10zUYyY
What is civil commitment? What is civil about it?
I think it’s quite simple. There’s a difference between art and artifice. Art has content, artifice doesn’t. Or don’t believe me and go to your nearest museum and marvel at all of the frames the paintings are in, but DO NOT actually look at the paintings, that’s idolatry. Then study the building but DO NOT look at the people inside, or take in what they are doing, that would be blasphemy. Then study the streets, the layout of the city, and maybe even go as far as the airports, or NASA’s pad for launching things into outer space, but DO NOT… Do not what?
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I have SO MUCH had it with this nonsense going on.
āFundingā for asylums, because the amount of ā$ā doesnāt add up.
People called āhealersā having a degree in it: āPsychiatryā,āMedicalā; and then you have the ālegalā profession that honors ārulesā.
They can get together, decide regarding someoneās ābehaviorā or what comes next from their ātreatment.ā NOT actually talk with the person regarding their ādiagnosis,ā not actually LISTEN when the person has something to say about either, the diagnosis or the treatment; NOT…and Iām at a loss: would one say they arenāt cogent enough to see what they are doing, or that they just simply only care about the money, the profits, the social gears, the privilege; or is it that they never were allowed to express pain and so they inflict it in others the same!?
To be able to go on regarding what they donāt really understand regarding human behavior, to not actually listen to those that do understand or those that have understood and might have forgotten and are trying to bridge the gap, to not listen to those that want to understand and WILL NOT be brainwashed to not understand; to have the legal profession allow them to lock people up label ANYONE who wants to actually understand with:
1) fill in ādiagnosis,ā they donāt talk with the person about, donāt listen would the person try to point out thereās grave error or any other misunderstanding.
And when real help might be available:
2) prevent any avenue that actually shows understanding, call these wonderful expositions of understanding lacking in mainstream support (no, the majority of people on the planet AS YET really arenāt all being forced to believe otherwise), dowse any true love of the human condition that blossoms into the beauty of what it is to be alive and free to express yourself, and free to listen to others without monitoring their ābehaviorā when you donāt understand it, dowse that with being worthless because it as yet hasnāt needed the āfundingā that āsupportsā them and then they swagger and prance around hoping people gawk at them; perhaps with no understanding would anyone see that they truly think twice about using such words as āretardedā,ābackwardsā,ācrazyā,āinsaneā,add the rest of the DSM because that REALLY does, and would insult, nature.
And no, I havenāt started ranting yet.
WHAT do they need these ābuildingsā for!?
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In reality we need more people capable of being lit up into the psychiatric system like we need, or was needed, to have (1) the people calling themselves whatever religion, because it was safe for them, to start misrepresenting what Moses, Jesus, Buddha, Lao Tzu (and no NONE of them are white men)…what they said. And start this movement of thatās their territory, (2) or people in the ghetto who sell drugs, crank up the music, or both, or more that like to dowse down their taste: loud music, unhealthy food, cheap stimulants, gratuitous everything with whatās convenient, so no one can find their peace and anyone that feels what it does isnāt cool, is being unsocial; or the next class moving in on whatās available because of what was just mentioned and then you get (3) the social workers, the psychiatrists, the bleeding hearts liberals like Jesus father Joseph who sat and wept because he knew they were selling stolen livestock that might be murdered when he married Mary, so it says in the bible that he wanted to divorce her, because he made such a ruckus about it of course from number 2 (or does it say he wanted to kill her?) because more of it heard him weeping and wailing. So when Jesus could create landscape for this, and was falling in love with being human, as part of nature, then drawing a teachers face, in charcoal, and having the lips even soft (the other orifice not available in view for a boy who knows what to do from nature at that age) itās called idolatry, heās barred from making any drawing, no clay sculptures anymore, and āJosephā (who now reincarnated and is a social worker where I live, who knows what his name is or who the devil cares!?), wonāt let him even express wanting to have a Greek style playhouse in their village, because thatās āGreek stuff.ā Jesus already having learned to draw in the sand, thanks to another friend of mine, an angel, so when push came to shove, and Joseph might have spent time or forever doing something more enjoyable with whoever wanted to make a living raising poor animals to be slaughtered as if this appeases God, and one gets paid for it; he might have spared Joseph as well as the lady sold by her husband who bought her just for that, when they tried to corner him knowing if he said that those who legally could put her to death, while the other side wanted such power that was supposedly given to those who wanted it, as they did; it would go wrong either way. Well it didnāt did it, because someone had showed him what art is, DESPITE Mr. bleeding hearts āfather.ā Further, more when my friend and love was accused of idolatry and there being a whole meeting with such nitwits who believe such nonsense, and his āfatherā being involved, Jesus then broke into it and announced he had a good father and would do anything that he said. ONE WAY of sparing himself, maybe even in another time, of having Joseph tell him who had a big one, and that heād like gratification. MY love knowing FULL WELL that was how to avoid such. I encountering the same when this guy stood behind me in line and announced: āYou have an excellent ass.ā
We donāt need name witheld blasting away, doing so many drugs he also [like Johnny Depp] needs guards to make sure he gets it, doesnāt die from it, if he does they arenāt blamed, and before this then calling the local community media center to ask how to get his fake store bought prod in the right place ; we donāt need some maniac [excuse me, do I mean āpsychiatristā] who thinks that anyone not telepathically looking in their freezer for what he might ignite into their lives with cocktails that involve recipes so bent on his approval, would one try to cook for oneself you might need to telepathically know what he prefers, just to know what to say to him;
We donāt need (4) a bunch of aces concocting ways to sell the cocktails, or the abuse; and housing should be housing, not a place for ALL THREE [no FOUR] to torture others and call it a working system and con those who know better to think ANY war is going to solve ANY of it!
And in the beginning was the word, not the lie; as little as that people do sports in order to win, rather than it might show how something works, or create bonding with those taking part when done properly.
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I couldn’t on the phone make out what one is to do with replying to anything, or WHICH string of responses ANY reply would be going to, so I’m just bottoming out here, with ANOTHER one (sorry)
Birdsong said: not so fast you two
āSown in dishonorā!
Ah! Indeed!
MayĀ thisĀ “dishonor” be?
If I were half so fine myself
I’d notice nobody!
“Sown in corruption”!
Not so fast!
Apostle is askew!
Corinthians 1. 15. narrates
A circumstance or two!
https://bloggingdickinson.blogspot.com/2011/12/f153-1860-62.html
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Very interesting and beautiful landscape Birdsong (no I’m not being sarcastic). I agree with you completely. However, having gone today to a place that is so well kept, I thought that no one in such an area really needs a house. Millions might buy one there, but…..
Now, maybe you’ll join me sometimes, and we might just try this out. Sort of like when, as I was told, a class in being a social worker was allowed access to an elevator at a mall for the whole day, so that they could go up and down it, and have anyone else using it more than once notice, and see how people react. I don’t know what ELSE was an assignment; but yeah… Stand on a street corner and behave in the way the Mayor of New York has stated is cause to allow anyone to have the possibility or being put into an asylum (at least the police would have to be informed of this, or even better the asylums, although that already wouldnt work). No, such has been done before, and the asylum said they knew how many others had done the same. It should be possible to simply sleep somewhere as natural as the other wildlife, and have this be okayed by the police, or not!?
I also met the very person Anne Lucas in her book: “A Quest for Love” said she murdered, and had to because those forcing her would have tortured the girl more, and thus it was a mercy killing. THAT, is just one account of such behavior from Anneke. But yeah, the girl came walking down the beach, with some others, and an old friend from somewhere else spent time talking with her. I don’t know if she then is an angel amongst us, whether she reincarnated, or whether she had a near death experience and revived while even Anneke (having told her she could die and still be herself) thinks or thought or will think, but yeah…..There are homeless people that would more out of the attempt at their condition most of “modern” art is about. I supposed one could play all of this gloriously “romantic” or “post romantic” music sort of the same. Or “primitive.” It would be nice would it not be too late, which is it for the people we lost, while others felt it free to go on as if they “understood,” had “empathy” and we building a bridge by their “creative depiction” of “the times.”
This is what my friend meant, I think, when he said the flowers in the field are finer than Soloman’s robe, and yet they are thrown on the compost heap (in that time it meant burnt) so God must have something finer for them. And no one got it, in the “Urantia” papers the insult to the Universe that got an abusive following THEN already says he decided he was the son of man, after reading about THAT title. I don’t think so. Do you think man painted the flowers? Maybe women did…..
“You could have stayed around longer….” “You say the flowers are finer than Soloman’s robe, and they are thrown on the compost Heep, you could have stayed around and smelled the roses….”
Whether he could have or not, he is….
But I guess that was solved a long time ago. There’s a book called: “The Romance of the Rose.” I’ll continue to read that now. Thanks for your friendship and input…..
We love you so much……
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“The failure of the community and denial of reality.”
Birdsong, you just don’t understand that when a community fails, putting people into a system that has created a spike in what the community fails as it continues in such trends, that THIS is the only resort for these “5%,” now do you? So, just take a deep breath, inhale some nice perfume, and think about it huh!?
note to the uninitiated: I’m being maliciously sarcastic.
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[continued] didn’t know what time of the day of horses and then she could whether she know what time of the day it was her mother told me who actually thought she should be there so who knows if that’s truth regarding horses so and then she ends up in there and gets out knows how to talk herself out and just [gets] put in there again after being ready for saying wouldn’t believe [getting “them to believe I think I said, not sure] and having stuff stolen out of the house because the only people she could hang out with had been staking out what they could get from her. She committed suicide was pronounced that and I can’t tell you anymore of that. I had told all of them I thought they would lose her including her mother and she said all of them thought….. https://www.lifestorynet.com/obituaries/lisbeth-lilly-lipke.29513#memories. They had told the police he’d [she had they said but wasn’t true] been running out naked [and said she’d taken her cloths off in public which again she hadn’t, which was the first thing “Anna’s” friend said that she was doing what she wasn’t, and THOSE are the people knowing how to get her committed so that she committed suicide) and she hadn’t at all when I called not emergency police after not calling them earlier because they supposed to friend of hers [hersupposed friends trespassed] trespass into her house and called her case manager to get her incarcerated after they scared her to such a degree that she broke her Achilles ankle after lying to both of us to get here [her] across the street and corner her in such a manner because she said something Jesus would completely agree with if you read A course in miracles ever all [everyone is, we all are] the second coming so she said she was and they’re supposed to religious person who had gotten an award that I managed to get taken away from him he was going to have her committed and then threatened me because I told him that was clear she didn’t want them in her house and that they were harassing her when they trespass into her house and I actually neglected calling the police because when I called there and said I would have been get out of her house I got such a sarcastic reply with somebody who continue to harass me for years at other medicinal places like the dentist, that I didn’t call and then later found out the the police have been lied to. And so when it came by when they were arresting her in a police was there and she was just trying to be kind and say I was a nice person to the police the police had to ask me to leave her ]or] be arrested for interfering with investigation, which then what was it? I heard this numerous times every time there’s lies going on. Are you talk to people who have been involved with all of this and the best you get out of them is that they don’t want to talk about it it’s that kind of investigation they feel free to lie and act like to some kind of danger because somebody is a [the person they decide is a danger and crazy isn’t controlled by fear] controlled by fear. The sound [friend] of mine now isn’t dead because I’ve talked with her I don’t even know if she’s an angel among Us like my love Jesus, who also appears here and there in different forms from other times that are not locked up with [but] liberated from forever, I don’t even know. There was a very wonderful soprano I had just wish actually about so is a mess so not a soprano I meant so or you think this mezzo is what it’s supposed to be with all of that. I had just heard her and so she was in a place for me to get acquainted with her and then this Angel among Us appeared and I don’t even know if there was an extra day and there you go it’s supposed to be my loss I didn’t have her committed.? Another friend of me the one that argued with the judge called me that she had committed soon and said she’s not dead she’s just three [free] of the mental health system I took my wallet [wand] out waved it for a holographic image and there she wasn’t [was] wanted to know how I did that I just demured and dimpled I want to have a life too I’ve never been so in love as I am now with Jesus and we’ve been married since June 9th you can take a blade of grass which is [“his”] friend John told me to [they stalk for a flower to grow, it’s like a piece of wire] become it stalks so there might be a flower but those are easily flown into commission to composting sorry often might grab one and pick it and make a circle then wind the remainder around that for a ring and there was laying there so the second day when I had smoking nothing had let go so much pain I don’t know. I don’t know where this friend of mine somehow was retrieves and is part of a different society whether she’s part of heaven and just as they are, guess I just don’t know sometimes I see her and then realize that voice a spirit image. And there are a lot of us…. Just like Jesus when he saw so many people broken, so many live seemingly lost, so many people discarded, an knew that’s just not true, they have another part; and so he said that the flowers, in the field, they are finer then Soloman’s robe (couldn’t say that, that’s idolotry, supposedly only Soloman’s robe is of God, also couldn’t draw his love of a teacher, the landscape of his face, and THAT also was made out such), but it’s all thrown on the compost heap, burned even. so….. having seen the value that’s ruined, discarded, thrown away, tossed, beaten to death, robbed from those who would value it, sold to keep others more decent from interfering with such evil… all of that, and knowing that’s just not right, and can’t be real, he said HEaven has something even greater…….So why waste what you’re give I ask!?
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All right Fanny farmers book will there be a morning. That’s the name of it the question will there be a morning. I’ve also visited people in the asylum and there’s virtually no reality involved with those Harper’s [harboring] ideas that they are maintaining any kind of resource for the people there whatsoever. Two friends of mine because psychiatric drugs were forced on them both had a blood clot that went through their heart they [that] should have killed them and both had 2% chance of survival. True completely true. Is this going to add up to then it’s 4% and if like 50 more of my friends have such an ordeal that then it’s 104% chance of survival? Furthermore, I had called the hospital because I was a little bit well sort of held back from continuing with this gay homosexual people channel I’m up with their as m i r c. Probably Prince William and his annoying self-righteous friends came through there all the time, he still is talking harassing me, he is not even truly the crown Prince either his father, with who he’s now married to, his child before they got married or he even started bothering princess Diana. (Charles Dorante Day is his name HE is the real crown prince0 So if you’re wondering about why something is called despair well now you know or this beer. The spare there. Now I was little hesitant 9from going on THAT channel again0 so I called the hospital and ask them if they had pregnancy tests for males. No, I was told. YEars pass. come to see that a friend of mine years later needed somebody to talk to since she was a young girl and having gotten together with a guy she was talking about marrying and the guy called her father and there would be a hole or a deal [whole ordeal]she actually had to sell foot in the asylum for treatment I can’t tell you [what kind] https://oelte.wordpress.com/2013/01/27/waking-up-to-the-remaining-dream/ because this confidential but there she said [sat] and there was a guy standing there upon entering and he was just standing there looking like a forlorn statue I told him just to follow the rules. Come to find out here going to the same hospital that didn’t have pregnancy tests for males according to whoever talked to me on the phone that I didn’t record and he ended up in a silent [anasylum after tgoing to same hors’a-pittle] they’ve been there for 3 months $1,000 a day at least for these people deciding whether he can leave there or not whether he thought he was female and pregnant but they thought he was male and pregnant or whether it was something else which apparently they couldn’t see if they had actually talked with him they might have found something out, I don’t think that’s right to detain him because they don’t have a f****** clue about what their professional standing is. He did get out. I hugged him, thenI ended up feeding the seagulls, as they were there at the park I ran into him, by means of tossing them whatever was there a whole loaf of bread somebody had discarded in an area where I later teleported to the other side of the building I picked up not the building the bread lasted for some data is moment [kept for whatever dadaist moment] and made pellets in a whole lot [a whole flock of seagulls] caught single file one by one every single pallet without fighting about it or any kind of problem. Sometimes they just disappear there, as if I lost them, which I don’t believe, even hearing such thoughts inside my head I don’t. The same area where that lion named Elsa came out of nowhere to have The adolescents she never had, and had to be taught how to hunt because before making up stories about her apparently there’s no to silence [asylums] for Lions either. These are just a couple stories….. Another friend ended up having to talk to a man through the screen of a television and simply had been trying to act out whatever she was trying to discover about religious prophecies tell me this case A thousand years, and this involved heavy the create a big disturbance for some people, the judge asked her whether she knew she was creating a big disturbance when she said she was [he did not] even ask her what kind of disturbance or why she did it, and again all she was doing was walking around really bothering no one but people wanted insecticide for her or something or some disease to put her over. Before this she actually had to talk to a judge I think this was one and [in] Cold blood rather than through a screen and when he mispronounce her name she had enough of it she was already in a bad mood and others that probably never in the Life had been allowed to take on such temerity had expressed extreme empathy with her so in this stupid judge didn’t even know how to pronounce her name she told him how to pronounce her name before or after asking whether she needed to put him back into kindergarten and teaching the English language. He doesn’t like it then she ended up in in asylum for criminal people that are insane. This goes on and on and on one girl ended up in the Siloam [asylum] put there by of all people The reincarnation of unpopular among others Anna pavlova we’re currently has the name Kym Bazzey, sending her youth when her mother didn’t want to be poisoned (her mother was listed as mentally ill and Kym had a problem that her mother would never try poisoning for it, although Kym would have, and told me Lilly also wasn’t taking hers] listed as such and said that she was in danger came through [Kym threw] something at her and had to go in custody of her father. Stuff I found out because I thought she was going to be dancing but she married the janitor of Saint Cecilia music society in Grand rapids then. I was in their office(Irecognized her and she does porno saying it was too much like a first date would I tell her such, no I didn’t suggest we fuck so she knows and never once thought of it but to stay away from such). No w, they managed to put this friend of mine in the asylum after scaring her to such a degree that’s been trying to get away she had broken her Achilles ankle which they didn’t tend to in this medicinal place called an asylum and it was swollen up to the knee and it was ruined but they did Jack her up with drugs so much she [continue in next post editing time allotment almost up]
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At the same time that they supposedly, I don’t even know where to begin. No it isn’t true that the psychiatric drugs they started handng out at the same time that they let people out of the asylums was the reason suddenly all such people could be let out. At the time that most people or all of them that were let out from being put into life confinement, when they report into such a views it was possible to put someone in the asylum for as little as $500 and they’d have to stay there for life. Often no reason to asked, and if there were questions you can look up how easy that was as well with somebody homosexual or a list of other things such as not interested in the man her father wanted her to marry. Now, this of course changed it was found out and those who were supposed to be warehouse for life, those people were looked at and it was found out that most of them were fine, they just were outdated in their ability to respond to society. I say most of them, then, the rest I’m sure weren’t taken care of decently or honestly, all the “intelligence” going to keep them from making a way that would expose what was going on, whether consciously or not. But so, a whole populace got out at the same time the drug companies had had started coming up with their “medicinal” cures. And so, the one, which since has made everything worse statistically and scientifically, was made out to be the reason for the other. Now would I make it known that a mental patient without medications is like a fish without a bicycle, and then point out well once the river was half flooded and I had to get through the bicycle path with water all the way up to the top bar of the bike and there were some very large fish swimming right along with me so you see… this is you know, wow, America, and a miraculous contribution to the well-being of the planet. Whoever gets first dibs come along with me and you’ll make bazillions…. And have you all do it. Like when that one preacher said if he didn’t get that much money he’d commit suicide and wow: you all did it. Send a bunch of dudes to the moon and have them tramp around there, like they need to hand out from outer space, but make sure they don’t report that there were higher technological crafts all around there, and then have school children watch their teacher blown up in a rocket that’s supposed to be as equally amazing, and the whole country watches this on the boob tube. Then send aria on a g-string and the Queen of the night aria on a golden disc up there too and sit and wait for the aliens to want to ask Sony for the equipment to play it on appropriate equipment for the manner in which it was imprinted on the gold. Then if you don’t believe this is great go to your doctor because it’s just you’re starting to lose your sense of reality and he’ll have pills to make sure, and boy does he make sure with your insurance and everything else……
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My friend who I called Noel and was last named Yeshua, we finally had time for each other. Simply that. I saw him. I was walking past and there he was so I said: “oh hi how are you doing?” A bit slumped, could have been any marooned person in some strange place not feeling at home wondering why there is this meandering dark cloud where if you would stand up then what? And so that first day, as we sat next to each other finally together. It seemed like the whole world came by and all he wanted was some money or cigarette. At least that’s what he kept on asking everyone. Most came by of I wouldn’t put it past anything but you can add it up. 30 leaves his head against me and wept he missed me so much. So I beckoned into the winds, because they like stalking me and it seems like everywhere I go there is a slide from forever wooshing down on me. And then finally this guy https://images.app.goo.gl/v2YVd17hq2CacDpH6 who I passed often enough in the museum and painting he came along with another lady I wouldn’t have known except I happened to buy somewhere maybe Goodwill who knows just a book and there they told me there was one actress in England born or died 1765 56 having been another number for me as I say Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart was born. Mary Ann Porter, and I brought us this frumpy cigarette which looked just like something I might have resorted to the good old days when the butts collected themselves somewhere and I still had paper enough. Work with these aces called publishers and what you get in the mail who knows why there’s any paper anywhere left over but anyhow I am distracted. I couldn’t inhale even if I tried I could taste it but the cigarette just being as such must have been something else and most of the good old days you could just smoke one and there would be peace you would have to gag yourself to death numerous incarnations, a stuffing goes but we’re not talking about live ones, I wonder why anyone ever started all that. But then the rest of it coffee sugar tea with industrial age yeah, just to keep you awake while those with less cognitive ability keep everything going around in circles that are paid for it. But there we sat. Unless it for a while dwindled off we would have been there forever but it didn’t, until of course I just being half off and he wanted to get somewhere but we were didn’t mean to be enjoying ourselves so much we just took it all off: everything else and being arrested put in jail next comes the military but I’ll tell you about that later since that was another day. We did both get a dollar as well an old potentate from an institute both gave us what I gave him his Blessing so he could take it with him by means of the one I was given and the next day there was a wedding ring just a piece of green I think just grass soft enough yet to wind around itself and form such. So there it wasn’t I gave it to him and we’re married. But you see it was just someone but it could have been anyone, and why…. Why an actress. Why they don’t tell you much do they. And since I didn’t but speak of it and here we go and print as intelligence, intelligence wouldn’t know otherwise? He had come upon a village with his father and they had a great playhouse and he had already been chastise greatly and forbid for making little sculptures of clay he wasn’t allowed to actually draw with charcoal even a teacher at a school and landscapes even more beautiful than that his friend had a father with clay that wasn’t loud even in the house anymore by this person called Joseph. The same person stood behind me at a coffee house and says to me that I had an excellent ass, which is about the whole conversation I’ve ever had with that person and hope not to have to continue at all. Right now he’s a social worker I’m told at least that’s what he said he wanted to be as long as saying that he was in love with me and another time calling me Mozart and telling me to calm down. The only funny thing was when I was play acting the character in The birdcage who didn’t like some person being sexy enough that it was intruding on his glamor and send more to come (since then other was chewing so much of it maybe he needed some more gum) and the guy mentioned I think it wasn’t even mystery (listerine?) and maybe broke cream (brylcreem) who knows when he goes out about. Anyhow so Yeshua couldn’t even mention that he would like one in their village so I should play house and there was too much for Mr I’m the father. So there we have an actress and finally some time for art. You know, ready for this meeting. It worries me. It worries me greatly. I couldn’t really tell the difference and maybe there isn’t one between this actress and JK Rowling. And what sadness me greatly is that she also just like the Disney movie tell me you know the movie where the boy is fading and the father is fading and someone stole the father’s music. Now seems shaking rolling j K Rowling is fading. She’s fading why is this going on? Is that too much that somebody’s actually dedicated and create something for the world which is splendid and everybody loves, she’s supposed to fit into what, is there a hammer involved that when you break her up enough oh you fit a square thing into a round whatever is it supposed to be triangular or is the inside coming out wrong? The most wonderful stories that bring the people back to why there were ever tracks left regarding thought and books and papers. What’s the problem!? when they go to the smallest room in the housing wiping themselves with it, or without it or with it someplace else it doesn’t smell like right? Go ahead and ask chatty p why it smells funny or chat GP. You know they’re microphones you have to pick up what you say you stick them where the sun don’t shine and it ain’t going to know what to do yet maybe somebody will invent something like that and you’ll be able to have chatty pee or A1 tell you hey you know what you’re supposed to be eating…. Or just get a friend for Christ’s sake. Please! Someone you just happened to run into that need some help getting up and finding his way in the world.
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Yes Da Vnci is a good friend, waking up with him in the Italian forest, the birds singing, and yet he was so nervous, it took me so many years to realize he wasn’t Giorgione. He made me cry, the situation for such as him was SO BAD in that area, on BOTH sides. Wonder whether it is any different to this day. One side spicing it up with illegalities they break on their own, the other fighting that with creating excuses for the other, and there he was, this BEAUTIFUL soft man with eyes that would melt your soul. Just like beautiful Voltaire during these times. So, I went and talked with him, in these times it would be like a picnic table. At a park or where workers can convalesque. And with the plague coming up….I’m sorry I would go on more, but I have this seriously ANNOYING pack of squeegees from “Virginia” after me, as yet. And they they added Missouri….. But Da Vinci was cool. I really wouldn’t have known it was him, he doesn’t care to stand out at all, if the truth be known. So, on may ask what brought us together again? Because it wasn’t some gilded passage referring to lost loves, with magic windmills powering flights of angels to rest on our eyebrows, as our lips meet, and we wilt from top to bottom, and melt into each other….. It was a bus that I thought he’d missed…so I called out: he stepped forward, and it looked as if he had wanted to take that bus, but it hadn’t stopped, in fact it had already moved on (I think it says inside the bus to look at the driver when it approaches, maybe he’d not done that, or maybe something else but…), you’ve probably seen that, when you bump against something and it vibrates, sort of like “twang” only it’s a longer wang…..maybe gobbling wang gets activated, or the other way such a boogles, and then, after asking him about it, whether he wanted that bus, because I REALLY was concerned, not just that it’s not easy in my city, it’s not like just go to a stop and soon enough one will arrive, it’s the whole kaboodle: people get distracted, I’ve gotten an apartment to gather than within a week, when I’m putting together something that expresses nativity, bang a car hit’s another, because of me being a walking distraction, so I asked, quite resoundly with temerity, he turned and looked, and I saw his eyes. https://fleursdumal.org/poem/148 Which thanks to this wonderful site, which I thank with all my heart, I realize I already put them to music….. but of course, someone else will try, Having some business will entreat his eyes to twinkle in their spheres….. (tears…..)
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Hey bird song, I was talking with Jesus after we’ve been together for long enough to have such conversations. I had brought him something I make which he had been involved with before because you see in East broad country said don’t have trees that you can pluck oranges out of everybody throws the rides away so I ain’t gotten in the habit of making stuff with that chopping the rides up in adding sugar and cocoa enough that it looks like a horse left it behind and then maybe we can share that by acting like we’re mad about the neighbor’s horse leaving it in our backyard? So have you done that multiple times I thought I do it closer to home and not that it’s an area that actually has such problems there’s no communist rule that you have to have permission to share things, if that’s communism but I walk into that place and all I had to say is the horse and their Jesus came down like a maple leaf said twirling and all I had to say was and it told us if you’ve been working there forever she’ll help you but he was so happy because this stopped the horrible occurrence here https://bitterwinter.org/investigation-concluded-twelve-tribes-not-responsible-for-2021-colorados-marshall-fire/ then we have Richard III is he dickey, I mean you have big dick little dick and then dicky I suppose but anyways the horse. So I have also been putting stuff inside sourdough bread flattening my palm that falls over like peanuts with other things or other nations this is complementary protein I brought that right he inhaled it I could hear the bush sound when you press the button on a can of air to clear out the dust in the computer. So I asked him do you like cleaning computers we’re walking side by side and he didn’t say anything which is quite unusual. So I made that sound I heard when he inhaled what the horse left behind. They said yeah I like fixing computers. So his friend I’d seen already with the cell phone the one everybody knows it’s Judas but in reality is Leonardo da Vinci, we had a one-night stand then. And then I saw Jesus when he was my own son with a cell phone as well said something in another language I found a translation for and a reference to whether it’s necessary so miracles just are. But they’re not telling you much because if they have quantum computing and this involves that reality where time doesn’t exist the same so there you go of course they’re acting like this is ruining everything. I’m going to post this now and I don’t know what has gone in there that I would have need to have corrected with entropy and Megan trophy and it doesn’t matter whether it’s positive or negative and it’s called an agent trophy I don’t know what Megan has to do with it no negentrooy…. (Added thx 2 button4 Ed it in) Negentropy ride and rinds, why would have to add the I did pay the impounding fee for where my other son Grand Pegasus and got the gods going on about him to such a degree when they had banged their heads together enough to reach unconsciousness whatever disease he had was lifted away because rules were suspended comment yeah he grabbed Pegasus. Was kind of stupid policeman calling me up and telling me my son had died which I know he had and then I asked him whether it was AIDS and the man said no it’s because of the bagging heads the banging heads begging begging begging heads begging bang bang bang, and then he mentioned this stuff about Pegasus being impounded and when I asked him you’re going to tell me anything else to cheer me up he didn’t have anything to say so I said excuse me while I call your Superior that you didn’t tell me the impounding fee and hung up. So I paid it nice lady plate during art prize that would have been thrown away as well and maybe a few bills. Try not to cry I miss them so
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Not just thinking, but remembering, in fact being literate does that. Trying reading as if that is going to give you the answer, then monitor what happens to your stress level when you think that you need to have been doing and continue such when an answer is needed. And then monitor what happens when you just think: “oh fuck, forget it,” how well answers are allowed without all of that. I’m not saying stop reading, but don’t do it because you need to know something, or because you are scared to sit and spend some time thinking about your life, because then you’d find answers, and you can’t blame others anymore, or the situation, or act as if there’s no escape and you’re stuck. And then consider how many rats and mice you’ve spared having to go through various tortures, because people think it’s necessary to monitor what THEY are doing, rather than themselves, and then you might stop doing it to yourself. And yes that means taking some time to think about shit, and further more, it might mean meditating regularly, or doing yoga, or both, or taking walks, listening to the birds, taking the time to see the amazing beauty of what flits around in the air, and the magnificent articulate delight of such wings, and flowers, and…….heh smell the roses along with the rest of the flowers, but no, don’t wait till they come up with cell phones that emit odors…..
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First having started with any such: therapy. Albeit after years of seeing the results in others, and having avoided. But then I h ad gotten so into disinhibition, and wondering WHY in the prior episode I hadn’t taken action, although still holding something back (Should we have the target emerge on stage completely engorged during the three oranges, although he probably wouldn’t have enough vitamin C?), and holding that back, went along to see the result. Mailed it, with return address. Maybe one shouldn’t always trust worker sat places you can have stuff mailed to be stuff mailed, but fine, there was a return address. And results. So, the kid who recognized what a frog is (Mogli), his mother being disinhibited enough, and an authority, she sent the second comrade to my door. THAT was enough, hearing what could happen and who wasn’t nice, so I started with a place I heard was better than the rest. And no, they DO actually do assessments. A kid in shackles even, I’d seen there. But having found someone, who I yet was to discover was deep into so much (her son had written about a very musical cricket, had died on Johnny Depp’s doorstep, and now could via Bob Dylan’s son allow my niece to use THAT music on a vide for her Grand-dad, or the world might find out about Bob) and having been with Madame Bovary for a while, she having gone to see what she could get started out West (in pumps) sat on a plane, leaving or returning is yet to be determined, but she told a man next to her, who listed himself as what we’re going on about (sounds a bit like “a sly kite’ll kiss a tree”) was told that what I told her about regarding what she didn’t have to tell him much about did exist.
Then she grabbed him by the ankles, swung him around a few times, not too many though, while aiming for the window which consequently shattered, and as he plummeted down said quietly: “ever heard about confidentiality?”
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āabout how anybody can be as absolutely certain about them as you seem to beā there is no need for āaboutā at all, and the one proper use would be to replace it with āregarding,ā because no Steve isnāt going around with āabouts.ā
WHO is saying what!?
āI donāt agree with the premise that patients have to take their meds till they die.ā THAT is why you or anyone else has ANY kind of degree, in order to know you can disagree but it will do nothing!?
Amazing to have the right to go about suchā¦…
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I’m sorry about the confusion regarding Tom as he only lasted a year even with the most processed musical adaptation although female at the time I’m sure that has something to do with Virginia but anyways, as he probably didn’t want to repeat being treated as Nancy was by Mr Sykes in [and] it wasn’t great expectations was it!? With the flapping well the flag seems to have done it as well as the doors of ovens inside making the candy wipes shake as well as with [what] the cookies sit on, but what’s the difference between that and pouring milk all over it to see how far it goes deeper than that? Which is probably another class in Harvard or who knows worse than that the difference between a hole in the ground and where the candy wipe goes….. Have I said anything?
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I put in a grant as well, for such. I figure that the maintenance required, for doors, flags, maybe even jaws and young boys with magazines, or electronics, that unless there is a mirror figure like a fountain, mind you and NOT anything that would prevent the windy flappings, as occurs when one has in ells in the air; that were there not such an outlet (which goes further than kissing, although some of the same skill still is involved)…. than yes, kissing can be a depressant.
I did forgo another bid for a grant to be counting the hairs on a baboon’s private part, because I don’t think that’s fair to baboons, as they already have such classes at Harvard and other Ivy League places. I do, and it brings tears to my eyes, have a friend I regularly take home to hide, as there being so many attempts to capture him, put him in a cage, and exhibit him in circuses, the wrong kind of museum, and have him estimated as a media commodity when put on various bottles, also including presently such plastic as there might be, albeit soft edges or not. I hope then that you can understand me not going the Harvard say.
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I would add an addendum to the remark that such doesn’t have a face. They aren’t telling you everything regarding quantum computing, and they have shut down who knows what [adjective referring to quantity], and when it showed intelligence they thought they could control, they shut it down, mostly. Same with again [quantity] stuff.
I never have done ChatGPD, and I get it from even voice detect, things come in.
Here is a pic Jesus added Lup to: lighten up etc. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mGitDkyjak5oaGtV5W7C2p4KWlaJsnHA/view?usp=sharing
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Birdsong I have to say again that your writing is so well done the different ways you describe this phenomenon that is basically confusion technique. Make a person so dizzy having to follow all of that that they just give up. I think probably Aftab is quite a victim of that because he seems completely unable to actually relate to what he’s going on about. He’s constantly displaying that he believes being functional is thinking that he needs to be finding some slant in order to defend psychiatry because, I don’t know but, those are his colleagues and he thinks they’re nice and that’s the gang he hangs around with, has to be supportive of them; or the idea that he’s doing something to help people, and if he would realize what he’s really doing he probably would have to deal with severe depression himself for a while wondering how he could have been fooled in such a manner. But Birdsong please be kind to your mind. Just trying to wade through all of that stuff is incredibly confusing and infuriating. Sometimes you just have to decide this doesn’t make any sense why should I figure it out and, I had to just laugh and drop it and maybe look at it the next day to see if any sense was breaking through. Like the stuff about serotonin and it tells us there’s a depletion but he doesn’t say in comparison to what, so for all we know it’s because people who are medicated, in the initial period mind you not in the end, they have more serotonin. And that’s not even what goes on in the long run so what’s the point, because it doesn’t really have anything to do with it. In the end from the treatment people have less serotonin so if they were going to be logical they would actually try to make out that that helps with depression, but then they’d have to say well this is after the roller coaster ride. And they still get away with it this is just terrible. But just be kind to your mind Birdsong, and feel free it’s okay too just take a break or let nature itself take care of that without trying to make any sense of why when it’s supposed to make any sense it does not. Because it’s infuriating and it’s tiring and confusing. And then in ways it seems like they’re trying to make you angry and infuriate and tire you out. That’s another way people are trained to respond not to actually interact but just do things to get the other person on edge, tire them out make them angry. It’s a game with them. And then they get all hoards of people believing this, people that actually think they know something and are informed, which is even more infuriating of course. That’s what media does. Play around with people’s minds. So just be kind to your mind your brain and feel free to allow yourself to not have to try to make any sense out of it, because it’s like they keep on adding stuff that doesn’t really make sense and who knows to what level they actually know that but they just keep on adding it on to overload people. Or somebody like Aftab who might just be incredibly unrealistic like these people that think if you just park your ass in church every Sunday your going to go to heaven or something, and they will go on and on about this all smiley faced, and positive. who knows how addicted they are to this stuff they’ve invested in but they don’t want to question. And any of us who have actually been through stuff and been treated in a way that you just don’t understand how things could be that messed up you’re not going to fit into such little clubs: people all smiling at each other about their pretentious ideology…. and so it’s better to go outside and see that the sun is still shining or even to feel the rain against your skin or the air or whatever of nature or distraction of any kind……. Which then isn’t a distraction actually….. Something else actually can take over beyond the conscious mind and it does work even though the world says to be making change and be responsible we’re supposed to…..
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I did listen to that podcast, quite amazing. How two people can go on about diagnosis, completely skip for the most part that it’s like going on about what food dye to put in products that would be more nutritious without them, and then go on about who puts too much dye in in order to continue to put such in, because you know they are more “epistemic” about it, and then….. have said nothing about nutrition at all basically. Why the food is there, what therapy is about, other than naming different methods. To have to deal with someone who greets you with such supposed empathy, that they understand your trauma, because they can go round in circles with criteria, or be so hyper about it that it’s like the little voices reminding you to be concerned about stuff that you really just need to not entertain as having anything to do with it….
I mean to hear two grown people go on like they’re having a nice Frappuccino and making business deals, and not hear one word about the horrible trauma anyone has gone through that ends up having to deal with them, how they have perhaps from childhood had to suppress their real thoughts, how they are on edge the whole day wondering whether they can do anything without it failing or being criticized (added to this the drugs disabling their ability to even know what the source is), the consequent dismissal of their feelings, the ingrained wounds that are triggered when anything that touches upon what’s been suppressed emerges…..or how much they [these two bloggers] might have learned from people who have had a completely different life than them, how much they might learn about things they didn’t know were going on, probably weren’t interested in, and how they learned to not judge people….. Instead stroking of each other’s “insights.” And then smiling how they can go on like that without truly touching on what’s going in any critical manner, or even really knowing how, but make themselves out to be…..
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I decided to do a search for Aftab, fortunately I don’t have time to go into it because I have to go pick up my organic vegetables for the week but… As it goes with borderline personality disorder which he just feels free to add on to someone who was free of all such intrusions there’s actually this whole talk where they go on about whether this is a valid diagnosis which I’m sure you encounter him, I don’t even know what to say about it he’s going to go all over the place again https://www.intothewoodsportland.com/a-therapist-cant-say-that-podcast/episode-3-9. It actually seems like absolute nonsense would be more helpful because that’s just nothing or look at the data is of where chaos had more Harmony and still doesn’t all the rules that caused world war I and the rest of them ongoing, but if someone knows the statistics the science and acts like he’s being critical but then still adds on a bunch of concocted arguments that are quite fabricated and as you say side steps and all the rest of it that can be incredibly destructive. And desperate people are going to think oh I need to try that and again all the other methods the correlate with recovery they’re push to the side because hey he got his degree and you know what. I was having a discussion about modern composers even the ones that don’t write extremely aggressively dissonant disturbing music and even when it contains melodies when they have to write a whole concerto for example it still sounds like they’re at the mall being distracted by something that’s attracted their attention because of the lights and the smell and having money and consumerism and so there isn’t any real inner form going on where everything’s related, the whole organic process of allowing what’s going on itself to speak in creative form like you do when you’re nurturing a garden and you trust nature, that’s just missing because of consumerism and convenience and distraction and…. You have it all over the place and now you can see it’s an academia because there’s enough papers and ability to turn the truth around and argue something with who knows what kind of perversion and you can read this all over the place so if you don’t want to see the truth about psychiatric medications and diagnosis yeah there’s all this media available and you can start using that for these catchphrases and everything. I don’t think Aftab knows what he’s doing at all, I’m also on auto detector when I say his name it comes up as off top…… !? The whole internet and the computer industry does the same thing every time you want to do something while every time or often enough the machinery chimes in with something that’s supposed to be user friendly so you forget what you’re doing or are distracted by some advertisement, and it just seems so easy to just click this pop this pill etc…… please don’t feel you’re obliged to listen to that whole talk I just left the link of! Probably two or three minutes here and there probably will tell you enough. I mean what the f again because now borderline personality is unhealthy attachments but not when it’s to psychiatry such as the diagnoser himself is displaying, but it is when you got away from psychiatry right!? Obviously I’m being sarcastic again…..
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Sorry about the rambunctious attempted at humor I mean what are you supposed to do with this this is so effing ridiculous. I mean like after all she went through Laura is going to show up at his office knock on his door and say yeah you were right I have borderline personality disorder what am I supposed to do? I mean she has to show up at his office and display that she still has too much dependency on psychiatry in order to validate his diagnosis so he can “help” her. Let’s avoid pointing out that I’m sure she was told how many times that she needed this and this would help and that she could depend on it, but if she depended on it then there was something wrong with her not with…. No she was just given the wrong diagnosis because that’s what they need to do, give diagnosis otherwise they’re not professional, so here’s a new one that includes those who are too dependent on whatever….. This way we can include anyone for whom psychiatry didn’t work as having been too dependent on it which is part of borderline personality disorder….
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Oh wow I get it! Anybody that was treated by psychiatry and managed to get away because things are getting worse, whatever diagnosis they had, in reality it was borderline personality disorder because they were too dependent on psychiatry. Somehow though I don’t think this means that everybody that was getting the borderline personality disorder will then be alleviated of any further psychiatric treatment because they were too dependent on psychiatry. They of course will be forced on very selective treatment for such a condition which is all kept under medical confidentiality I just wonder whether this means that the rest of the population that got better and doesn’t need psychiatry that this means they actually because they got better with two dependent on psychiatry which is how they got better. I mean at one point all of them should have realized the psychiatry is not working which means that before that they were too dependent on it so then they actually have borderline personality disorder…..
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Lol! Yeah, she was in an unhealthy way dependent on psychiatry, but let’s give her a new diagnosis of borderline personality disorder. Does this mean she is or isn’t supposed to believe this diagnosis? Would it be healthy of her to believe it or not? Does this mean that anybody with borderline personality disorder is too dependent on psychiatry and does this also apply to the rest of the diagnosis? Does this mean that having borderline personality disorder means that you’re too dependent on psychiatry, what does this have to do with whether you believe the disorder or not? If you do believe the disorder then you’re too dependent on psychiatry? What if you actually believe you have the disorder and think you should do something about it although psychiatry handed this out to you is that again showing you have invested too much in psychiatry for help? But if you’re too dependent on psychiatry and you believe the disorder you think you have to do something about that then you’re still too dependent on psychiatry so what are you supposed to do? If everything gets worse it’s because you were too dependent on psychiatry and thus it’s borderline personality disorder, because psychiatry not working for you with the other disorder it has to be something else but it’s still a psychiatric disorder which show is it too dependent on psychiatry because you actually got better without them. But, if you get better on your own when you get away from psychiatry, do not blame that on them… But do believe you have personality disorder. What is the disorder going to be if you actually show not to have personality disorder? Does that have anything to do with ever having believed any of what went on to have such a label? They know what’s going on with you and you need to believe it but if you depend on that you have another disorder when their health didn’t work but do believe the other disorder while knowing you’re too dependent on psychiatry which gave you the second disorder already. I’ve actually encountered a sort of modulation of this from a social worker who was teaching a yoga class and if I was in class everything I did was misinterpreted as if it was some sign that something else was going on, if I actually was interested in yoga in reality I had a psychotic fixation on her. And then when I didn’t go to class because I couldn’t get there although I had tried, then I was showing that I had dangerous resentments towards her that could become violent because I didn’t show up because of some disagreement we had had. And that’s actually taking seriously although there’s no way she could know why I did not then show up in the class but she states it as objectivity: the reason I didn’t show up was……. But as long as it’s called a mental disorder, even though it doesn’t make any sense even though it can’t be objective even though they go around every corner they can imagine to try to make out that they know what’s going on and they need to have the position of being the helper……….. Someone else another dialogue here on the side I don’t even know whether it’s this discussion here but mentioned that they couldn’t even get a proper report of what a diagnosis was, and when they asked whether they were being held prisoner they were told no they were being accommodated in the asylum. And then when this person gets the paperwork from the court case the excuse that the psychiatrist gave to not give a proper report of the diagnosis was that they don’t put people in boxes. So when you’re in the asylum you’re not in a box but you’re being accommodated. I mean this is so blatantly dishonest buy avoiding any reasonable question of what athey you going on about. They can make any kind of statement: but I know this is that although I can’t substantiate it but I know this don’t ask me to be reasonable about it. Like every other social rule…. They put themselves in a box to begin with and blinders on, so with anybody still reasonable enough not to play such a game theory they of course are highly offended in ways or just have this brainwashed need, this response of having to find something wrong….. Tell people they are scientifically objective about evaluations that don’t stand up to science and wow what you can’t all get them to start going on about……
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I looked at that article, where he’s, who knows what he’s doing?….. responding to Moncrieff.
He’s not even responding to what she said, he’s responding to getting hyper and bringing all sorts of stuff one might think are potentials, but for them to be such [potentials] he’d have to actually look into what potential is, and it’s not just getting hyper bringing in counterpoint.
For example:
“Important molecular imaging evidence was misinterpreted. Moncrieff and colleagues stated that reduced binding of serotonin 1A receptors suggests increased levels of synaptic serotonin, but reduced binding can also be because of decreased receptor density or affinity. Jauhar and colleagues appear to have mistakenly assumed that serotonin 1A receptors are exclusively presynaptic autoreceptors, but most serotonin 1A receptors are post-synaptic heteroreceptors. Diminished availability of serotonin 1A receptors in unmedicated depression is consistent with lowered serotonin transmission, and Jauhar and colleagues say that this is a replicated finding in people who were not on antidepressants.”
He says “Diminished availability” of serotonin etc. in unmedicated depressions is consistent with lowered serotonin. But we’re NOT told in comparison to WHAT! Antidepressants, in the beginning, they cause there to be extra serotonin because the re-uptake isn’t going on, that’s in the beginning. So, if one is dishonest, one can say voila, there’s less in those not “medicated.” And what does that have to do with pre or post synaptic, and what does this have to do with reduced binding and receptor density?
And then how the roller coaster ride continues when the body has stopped making as much serotonin. And with the whole roller coastal ride, that can’t but disrupt the whole “complicated” system he’s going on about, because that’s what disrupting natural functions of the brain does, when they have such a matrix. Calling it complicated, and Moncrief simplistic, that’s simplistic in itself. As long as there’s so much stuff going on that it’s too much to keep track off, then calling anything for what it is is “simplistic,” because you have to always say it could be some other connection.
Such “mental” striving go well with the coffee and donuts they get when having meetings, I think…..and the office chairs, and the fashion of clothes, and shoes, and being able to go home to an upper middle class house, go on vacations and….finding something to go on about for these nice pundits and their work ethic to make out they are helping you to make life easy from those nasty emotions that get in the way of the rhythm of the grind…..
And there was this other psychiatrist awhile back, who came into the discussion regarding that poor lady and what benzos did to her. He did EXACTLY the same thing as you mentioned with Delana! Oh, just make up another diagnosis, when you don’t even know the person, she has never sat in your office, never asked for it……
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WHAT!? “This is especially so when we consider that the implications of hermeneutical justice are far more radical for psychiatric practice than testimonial justice, and these implications have recently been productively theorized and debated in the philosophy of psychiatry community ”
I looked up hermeneutical (also had to look up epistemic): “”Hermeneutical” refers to something related to the theory and practice of interpretation, especially of texts like the Bible or other religious or philosophical works. It essentially means “interpretative” or “explanatory”.
note: epistemic doesn’t necessary mean “bullshit” neither does hermeneutical mean “superstitious,” or even “discriminatory,” or the rest of it (resentful, suspicious etc.)
I really wonder whether such activity requires some “help” other than just ambition, or the usual attempt at heroics….to hold all of that in your head, go around insulting merry go rounds with it, and not have it questioned, or release it to fly away, there are medications for that, for all I know……I don’t know, but if that’s the case, they do seem to work…..quite fluidly
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Bird song I have to honestly say that your comments here are so well written the way you describe this whole weird phenomenon….
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“(If you are one of those clinicians opposed to a diagnosis of borderline personality disorder, substitute it for whatever descriptive characterization you prefer for a syndrome of maladaptive traits related to the dimensions of negative affectivity, antagonism, and disinhibition.)” from that article you mentioned. That really made me laugh because he’s trying to diagnose this person or this condition or this thing of diagnosing a diagnosis and all I can think is well that really describes what you’re doing yourself. Negative effectivity, antagonism and then the disinhibition to just go on and make it sound like a bunch of fluttering cognitive meanderings and make this out to be objective observation. Do they hand out candy with these words on it somewhere between classes or something? The most disconcerting part of that whole smorgasbord of avoiding making any substantive statement was when he tried to relate his relationship with patients and Delana’s attempt to work as a peer support person. I know this myself what Delana went through, I went through this with friends and it’s harrowing. When someone has been taken in by the mental health system and they are used to functioning with a disabled brain, even though they know it’s slowing down the thoughts even though they will acknowledge how it’s holding them back, for them to actually step forth and deal with the period where the stuff that is being pushed to the side emerges and you’re going to have a real catharsis and you’re going to have to spend time really I don’t know what to call it. Reordering your life spend time by yourself and your own thoughts spend time getting used to letting go of stuff spend time outside of the Mickey mouse Disneyland avenue? Maybe it’s because the treatment didn’t completely disable their lives, and they’re still somehow able to function within the superficial parameters of we accept you now, but….. It’s harrowing, (and then one might ask whether someone who has a more serious or critical diagnosis from the psychiatrist is more likely to recover because then their life has been disabled and they’re not going to be able to take part in such superficiality but then of course those people are the ones that end up Warehoused in foster care facilities or imprisoned in what they call asylums) you actually get a conversation started where the scientific truth about the medications is acknowledged, but as soon as the parameters of adapting to a culture a community and environment that requires a person to subdue seeing what’s really going on, as soon as they have to actually articulately, allow their own brain to interact with stuff they’re not supposed to see and would cause difficulty then you get the whole parameter of adaptations and the ingrained responses of how to avoid realizing what’s going on and the standard responses of it’s not reasonable to actually take in reality but instead fill in all this indoctrinated….. And I’m at loss because I hear the word pillage in my head but I guess that’s what it is in ways: go along with the system and learn how to steal the stuff from people that actually dare to wake up and produce something meaningful. And the problem is then what I’ve encountered is that for people to actually deal with a brain that isn’t disabled they would have to stop at the same kind of avoidance of actually getting involved with anything substantive that this Aftab person goes round and round about as if this is kindness and survival and intelligent and helpful. You disable someone’s brain and what’s the difference between that and putting blinders on? The difference is that Delana actually wrote a book and the book has gotten attention beyond the parameters that the system doesn’t want this information out. Aftab then has a real problem because he’s never going to say anything that’s substantive to stick its head above the water, so yeah you get this going around in circles. And then he uses the term Moncrieff-Whitaker as if this is something negative, when his reactions actually go more along with his diagnosis of the diagnosis of borderline personality disorder (which he does as a kindness to his colleagues that if they don’t like this here diagnosis label just look at it this way blah blah blah) the way he just is negative about something it’s pretty much what he just shared is how you look at it, but if it weren’t there, what is being negative about, he wouldn’t even be able to take on this supposed act of being critical about psychiatry and get points for it. He is the one that started going on about diagnosing a diagnosis and if you don’t want to use this term look at blah blah blah well there you go, example of what he is going on about is in how he’s going on about it. And now people that really need someone to be able to talk to that is going to deal with concrete issues and has the ability to open that venue up, instead they’re going to get this reflection of the diagnosis in the person diagnosing it…. And with him of course is not that obvious so learn how to steal being human from everybody so that the only thing you have left is this…. This image of being productive…. And it’s a beautiful day now I’m going to go out in the sunshine before I start doing it myself…….
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I notice with the copying and pasting, I left out my initial comment. How Aftab goes on regarding one case where serotonin releasing agent helped. !? In the long run ADs cause serotonin depletion, so what Aftab was going on about AGAIN would prove that ADs don’t help……
I wonder how much the sole thing going on is money. Because when you putts around making excuses for what’s mainstream, then there you go…..main$tream
I don’t buy everything organic, but right now I can get most of my stuff organic (with double up food bucks). But at the farmers market was a stall with apples, and I asked them whether they used organic pesticides or fertilizers (they had some sort of advertisement that looked like it might be akin, so I asked), and he says their stuff is organically made. After going round in circles for awhile, he finally admitted ( and acted worn out and exhausted that he had to admit to that, because he had been trying to hide it) that they get whatever is available at the store, round up or whatever. But he tried to make out their stuff was organically made, just like the stuff that actually then has to be organically certified…. I had enough of it. Maybe I might have asked him how his stuff is organically made but not organically certified, as if he didn’t know the difference. I also didn’t venture to add that cyanide also might be organically made, or gasoline. I had no problem however they make things work for them, but to try to lie like that by turning words around and deceiving people, as if organic certification denies who knows what, and you can ignore the difference to the mother earth etc…… and he was real soft spoken about it, like someone who is in an environment where they are resentful about those people challenging what they do. So he talks real quiet, as if he’s being sensitive, which he probably himself thinks he is being. There’s enough knowledge in how to take care of agriculture that were it more mainstream we wouldn’t be destroying the planet and still have enough food for everyone (and probably we wouldn’t have the corrupt economic system that keeps food that IS there from getting to people)…. Quite groomed I’m sure he was, about those annoying people that dismiss anything that’s not organic…..
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Birdsong, I went back to that article, but I had to call it quits for today when he went on about how a seratonin releasing agent helped [he says] in certain conditions: “Colwell and colleagues used a selective serotonin releasing agent, fenfluramine, which directly elevates synaptic serotonin levels, to investigate its effects on behaviors traditionally associated with serotonin function. The study (n=53 participants) demonstrated through computational modeling that increased serotonin reduced sensitivity specifically to aversive outcomes (Cohen’s d = -0.57, p = 0.04), influencing how participants responded to negative feedback during reinforcement learning tasks. Additionally, increased serotonin enhanced behavioral inhibition by promoting more cautious decision-making, particularly reducing impulsivity during aversive emotional interference (e.g., fearful faces) (Cohenās d = 1.28, p < 0.0001). (Colwell et al,, 2024). These results suggest serotonin's role in reducing impulsivity and moderating negative emotional reactivity, possibly by dampening the exaggerated negative biases seen in anxiety or depression."
[well with the half our to edit stuff the site allows, I looked a bit more]
Again, antidepressants after a person has gotten used to them, after the initial period (I don't know what to call it, shall we say after their body has gotten so used to it that they will have withdrawal symptoms, a BIG problem when they were doing the initial trials, but then that, and all the side effects were just dismissed, side effect so bad when people had to leave the trials they just discounted that, rather than it being a negative; and when people in the non control group getting the antidepressants were having severe withdrawal symptoms, that simply wasn't shared), after the "introductory" period, the person has LESS serotonin. So, what is that statement above supposed to relate to!? It AGAIN says that antidepressants wouldn't work…..
That's just maybe a fourth into THAT article…..
He starts saying that the serotonin deficiency theory is simplistic, and that it hasn’t been held to, then he goes on about….listen, is tryptophan REALLY is something antidepressants help to not be deficient, then we would have heard about this all over the place.
And then the points antidepressants put on the table as to effectiveness, which is about as low as you can get, and he goes on about how this means something. Add to that all of the rest of the game playing. People in the control group that got better the first week or so were taken out, so that means they weren’t included with who got better without the ADs, people who had such severe side effects in the non control group that had to leave before the end, again weren’t counted (again this rigs the odds for ADs), and then they had to get people in the trials that already were on a psychiatric drug, and they had to hand out sedatives with the ADs, and then when a trial didn’t come out how they wanted, this simply was dismissed, and they rearranged stuff untill they somehow got these 2 points, along with all of the stuff I can’t say is actually honest.
I don’t think you could talk to this man without having to go around and get lost listening to him going on about stuff, and not have enough memory left over to remember where it started, in ways. That’s called confusion technique, or fundamentalism. Always something that sounds like something because it’s like a cult. In ways it points out how bad things are because for him to maintain his image he has to make out he’s a “critical psychiatrist.”
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I looked up Aftab since I have never heard of him and these people are kind of scary to me I tend to avoid it, and then I found this https://www.psychiatrypodcast.com/psychiatry-psychotherapy-podcast/episode-235-serotonin-hypothesis-controversies-awais-aftab which is too full of scientific sounding like devices that I can’t make much sense out of unless s I would spend too much time with it and learn how to make deals using robotic scientific sounding jargon to hide any real communication honest people can understand rather than going on like it means something. But he goes on about trytophan depletion that he says shows up with people with depression if that is even true, as if it has anything to do with antidepressants, so I had to look up what that is and that’s a substance an essential amino acid you have to get from outside of the body since the body can’t produce it and so what does this have to do with antidepressants? I mean, at what point does an essential amino acid you get from your diet and that you might be lacking what does that have to do with an antidepressant which isn’t an amino acid nor a nutritious food. You would think that points out your diet not the antidepressant… I can’t even make out what he is going on about…
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I read this a few days ago, and already had the same thoughts that I’m sharing now. Even though Gotzsche says the question is not a joke.
You know when someone usurps a condition by giving it an incorrect name, whatever they call it, this doesn’t mean that……and whatever they call it, this doesn’t change what it really is. Nor does it mean that everyone is going to believe them, and when a person is crazy or mad that they have defined what’s going on. I think there’s more flexibility there in conception, experience, perspective, understanding and insight.
Delusional, non reality based, brainwashed, etc. yes that applies, but “mad”!? Or “psychotic”!?
Years ago on Facebook some people started a group called psychotic psychiatry, but I didn’t want to go for it, also because the people to me tended to be one-sided about other things, but: I just don’t think psychiatrists have every shown much the sensitivity to be psychotic or mad. And if they ever would have they wouldn’t be acting like they are sane, and reality based, and the opposite of delusional when they make out they know what’s going on, and know how to “heal” it and don’t see the result in statistics, science, and social constructs that become extremely discriminatory etc.
A psychotic person or a mad person breaks away from statistical based norms, from consensual reality deportment, from the status quo, they have experienced and encountered things that the norm just doesn’t want to know exist, and if they do know it exists they don’t want to hear what’s really going on because it’s too disturbing to their conventional compromises, their idea of safety, their superficiality.
They to me aren’t mad or psychotic, or any of the other variations of madness, they seem to lack it.
You go to any insular setting, and you will find a community that thinks they have people akin to the great artists whose simple human expressions have passed the test of time. Simple human beings, not holy ikons, but those that allowed what gives legroom and leeway to emotions and thoughts that come out of nowhere and have no need to compromise themselves to fit in. And so nature spoke through them. But the same people in such a community heralding they have such among them, having exploited this idea of greatness, will then maybe also try to make out there was something wrong with said artists, and delve in with psychiatric diagnosis, which most of such simple humans beings have been assaulted with posthumously as if this has any meaning to begin with. So we can go back to delusional, etc. Or you might find them handing out instructions as to what kind of “discipline” one needs to become such an artist, maybe even along WITH that they could have been fixed up with: some magic psychiatric treatment. And thus they beat down any living human being interested in art, in where emotions can grow like the plants do, when allowed to, when what allows them to grow isn’t obstructed: batter them down with methods while finding any mental analyses that sounds like something more important than actual understanding of the art, and then harangue anyone who wanted to just do something naturally with such pretenses of how it’s supposed to be that any real meaning or understanding has long been anesthetized out of what would be going on would they be so lead astray. So and so is great because of fill-in-the-blank-and-make-it-sound-like-something-for-someone-that-is-that-scared-of-being-human-because-they-want-to-be-great.
If they start waking up dope them up with brain disabling magic drugs, because we just can’t have such going on, and just like magic say it’s to treat a chemical imbalance, although in reality it’s making one to disable the brain: such sterility being made out to be healing. If I would go on about it, it’s just unbelievable in ways how off these people are, what I’ve encountered. No understanding of imagination, no understanding of thought because it’s thought rather than indoctrinated produce called thought that will get approval as being reality based. It’s like the whole ground work of art through the ages wouldn’t exist. One silly brainwashed attendant I had conversation with, and said I liked to write poetry, mentioned how these “medications” would help. Yeah, we all need Handel’s Messiah on lithium, or neuroleptics, who knows what everyone else is supposed to be on (Michelangelo on antidepressants to improve the Sistine Chapel!? Mozart on ADHD medications because he could always wander away from the form, find something knew, an unsolicited theme, and get it to fit so the composition gelled!?? What was Emily Dickinson supposed to be on, and Shakespeare!???).
I used the word insular to describe what otherwise would be called provincial, but in the provinces away from the big city, thatās where one might find more of nature, and less of produced, manufactured glorification, as if a pill is more important than an herb. Out in the country also is where the Amish started the asylums that actually healed people. So thatās another word. The psychiatrists can use the word asylum, but thatās another thing they have yet to know regarding what it is.
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Thanks for clearing that up, and showing how easily catch phrases are used. With the spike in the occurrence of “mental illness” people are already frantic that “SOMETHING” needs to be done. And yet what is in collusion with the spike? So then, anything against psychiatric treatment is anti-psychiatry, regardless of any data whether psychiatric treatment is making things better or worse. When one is promoting informed consent, or free choice, or valid criticism being acknowledged, or even accurate sharing of data or scientific protocol that’s untainted towards favoring one side above the other, then bingo you’re “anti-psychiatry”. In fact, you can’t point out that when someone really looks at the data, at the outcome, at the lack of informed consent, at the rise in the problem; and when they are objective about it, that the results psychiatry is getting might be anti-psychiatry in itself, were they openly and objectively shared.
Anti-psychiatry would mean someone has a bias, but informed consent, objective scientific data, pointing it out when the treatment correlates with more of the problem (and thus informed consent NEEDS to be implemented, as well as the treatment questioned and the treatments looked into when it only helps a minority); none of those things are coming from a bias at all, in fact the bias is from the people calling all of that anti-psychiatry.
Maybe one needs to simply ask them: “Are you saying I am biased when I am pro informed consent, when I support scientific protocol, when I think treatments whose outcome causes more of the problem should be looked at closer?”
How does one respond to people who have been bombarded with advertisements regarding psychiatric drugs, who have seen that every school (another poor man in the blog here regarding how 50 percent of the people on antidepressants end up being considered treatment resistant, he shared how his son simply going to a counselor who promoted ADs then said it was OK not to tell his father, then along with seeing a child psychiatrist the dosage was increased at least four fold, and the boy took his life, while his father never knew he was on what is listed as causing suicidal ideation at that age; and when neither the professional were monitoring whether such ideation occured and the father was prevented from even knowing whether his son was on something that could cause such, it was all found OK professionally), every medical establishment now asks you questions regarding depression, a metaphysical healer Charlie Goldsmith playing the game of getting into hospitals although he disagrees with vaccines and takes them just to get into the hospitals to treat people there and states this openly during healing talks, has on his website the same blurb you read everywhere steering people towards places that correlate more with causing more of the problem, and the rest https://charliegoldsmith.com/mental-health/ and in NONE of those places, INCLUDING this healer (not that the healer doesn’t get results, but he is playing political games that really can get in the way for very vulnerable people looking for help), in NONE of those places are you going to be told, to begin with, the absolute truth regarding the science of antidepressants, or other psychiatric medications, with objective untainted informed consent. And so, after being inundated with all of that, when you simply start sharing objective data, or objective scientific research, it interferes with their programming, and the feeling of comfort they had when they were told there is a solution and it’s what’s promoted as being one. And then someone who is forced, coerced or advised into treatment that isn’t working for them, they can’t express what’s going on with them without encountering the same indoctrinated responses.
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Sorry, about my rather florid attempt at trying to respond, but I can summarize what I was trying to say while using autodetect and having so many thing to have to juggle regarding the plethora of misrepresentation regarding the topic, that it was difficult to organize to say the least! I do feel this isnāt completely unrelated to confusion technique where you get a person so dizzy that they give up for anything else than being indoctrinatedā¦ā¦.
1) I order to say a treatment is treating a chemical imbalance, there has to be proof that it is treating a chemical imbalance, no causing one. Scientifically antidepressants correlate with causing chemical imbalance, they disable natural functions of the mind.
2) To talk about treating a serotonin deficiency, the treatment would have to increase serotonin, this isnāt the case with antidepressants. In the first few weeks, with the serotonin re-uptake inhibited there is more serotonin, because the re-uptake has been inhibited, but after that period the body has noticed it and adjusted, and you end up with the body making less serotonin. This means that after the initial period, the medications have cause exactly what they are said to be treating.
3) In order to say that depression is linked to a deficiency in serotonin, you have to have proof that that is the case regarding depression, that hasnāt shown to be the case, there was more serotonin, less serotonin, or normal levels when this was looked at, and there was no clinical difference. When people on antidepressants have lower serotonin levels because of the medications, this also doesnāt show that depression and low serotonin are linked, this shows the medications and low serotonin are linked.
Then there are the clinical trials, beyond these distortions of scientific truth. How many trials were done were the data wasnāt shared before they got the marginal results they wanted. And how long did they suppress the data showing that antidepressants caused suicidal ideation and homicidal thoughts? In the original trials already suicides occurred. Also they had to take people out of the counting when they got better without the antidepressant, which then is called the control group. I donāt see how thatās truly honest. And then in many trials people had to leave the non control group when the antidepressants they were taking cause severe side effects. This wasnāt counted as the antidepressant not working. Then they had to give the people in the trial a sedative as well, because of side effects, so this wasnāt a trial for antidepressants anymore, it was for two drugs. Then they had to get people into the trials that already were used to psychiatric drugs, people that were used to having the normal brain functions disabled by medications, or even people that had to agree with treatment of other psychiatric drugs or they would be found noncompliant.
Can one add that the trials consisted of people that found sadness or depression so disruptive that they felt it to be a disease? Was there any attention given to the effect of allowing a person to see the depression as a normal part of life, which might have an intelligence behind: which might end up promoting empathy for people who are suffering and thus make connections, which might show a person what situation they were in that was causing the emotional response, and then tend to that (get out of the situation, put something straight with someone etc.
To make comparisons with the body being able to cause clotting to stop bleeding from a wound, or how one helps the body to stop bleeding and antidepressants, this is quiteā¦ā¦..
What would happen if 50 percent of people getting treatment for bleeding were considered treatment resistant, meaning the bleeding didnāt stop? And then were administered more treatments that again correlated with more relapsing!? And NO, this doesnāt mean that when 85% of people who donāt get treated for depression get better, that then we loose 15% (because they would bleed to death) because they needed to try antidepressants and stand that chance of going round the treatment wheel (no intention to insult axles). Or that the 15% had no other option when no treatment worked, or they couldnāt then opt for anything but suicide or homicide and thus needed treatment initially rather than no treatment, even though 85% would get better without it, despite the warning labels saying they could become suicidal or homicidal, which is what the medicines contained in the vessel with the warning label are supposed to be preventing with such necessary treatment, although the warning labels say you have to watch out that what they are meant to prevent isnāt the result.
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What are you saying? Are you saying that when you take antidepressants depression and anxiety for you always stops? As you can see this isn’t always the case at all for everyone at all. What does this have to do with bleeding? Are you trying to say that for you as an MD when antidepressants stop your anxiety or depression, and this always happens, then this is different than self-medicating? Are you trying to say that antidepressants stop depression the same as when you physically stop bleeding? And thus it always stops it. It doesn’t even work to say that depression comes from a deficiency of serotonin because in the end antidepressants cause a deficiency of serotonin; after the body has gotten used to the antidepressant it stops making as much serotonin because of the reuptake inhibition. This is hardly in any way comparable to actually stopping bleeding. I think when you stop bleeding it actually stops, it doesn’t cause a body to start making more and more blood until it pops up all over the place from the pressure. Are there any more comparisons you’d like to make? If that’s what you’re trying to do? I mean, you could say it’s like building a building and antidepressants are the bricks you need. Then here we go again if there’s not enough bricks then all of a sudden for a while you have somehow more bricks, maybe it’s because they don’t go someplace else. But then after a while, the source of bricks starts lessening because this is found out, integration or re-uptake then is inhibited, so in the end you can’t finish the building because in the end this is exactly the problem that you said you began with, but hey you need bricks for a building so it’s like antidepressants. And what was trying to be built, it might be that the sadness needs to be understood also and that suppressed even simply with being labeled as a disease necessary insight and natural intelligence has never been given the place to express itself. There’s a difference between making crude comparisons that don’t really hold up to logic and reality…. There’s also actually no proof that a lack of serotonin is a physical symptom of depression, when they looked at it there was normal levels, too much, too little. I’m just using your analogy, that even as analogy doesn’t add up. To begin with, you need proof that there’s a lack of serotonin, not just some mental construct that makes it sound like you’re doing something. And stating how you are causing more serotonin to be there as being the solution to the problem, and then leaving out oh yeah but after 4 weeks or so then there’s less serotonin because the body stops making as much when reuptake it’s inhibited. And then also leave out that you don’t really have proof that a lack of serotonin was a problem to begin with, which if it was the case isn’t even what the end result is at all. And if with certain individuals, which in this case is not a majority at all, for them their depression was a real problem and antidepressants stopped it, this does not mean it’s as simple as stopping somebody from bleeding because that sounds like you’re doing something medical. Stopping somebody from bleeding is not interfering with natural functions of the brain, and neither is this something that only works for a minority of the cases would one really look at the statistics beyond the promotion of that this is the solution…… And it’s not honest
that when anyone believes this is a solution they can take on all sorts of examples because they need to let everyone know that they found the solution. True responsibility is something else. Would you truly want to help people you need to go further than just making such statements. Wanting to help people is something different than doing something to help people. To help people, what you’re doing actually has to have that affect, and not just in certain cases which given articulate cognition are a minority. The ideology that it’s treating founded chemical and balance has to have scientific proof and that doesn’t exist. When the treatment shows to cause a chemical imbalance that needs to be shared with informed consent. And when there’s a certain group of people that treatment seems to help you cannot push science to the side and start making comparisons with other treatments that do work for the majority and in general. I don’t think for example that stopping bleeding causes 50% of the people to be listed as treatment resistant. I also don’t think that when someone is bleeding and it really needs to stop that when they don’t seek treatment 85% of the time they get better. Being a medical doctor that truly heals people is more than just repeating indoctrination from the drug companies. And it certainly is more than offering well this works for me so it works all the time same as whatever else can be warped into a comparison…. No matter how strongly you feel you need to do something this does not mean you’re making things better when following an ideology that says you are.
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I wish I knew what to say, I just cry reading this…..
Who is really mentally ill, the patient or the rest of them…..(!?)
They can’t see what they are doing to another person, to society!????
They can’t even read the warning labels?
They can’t see what the negative effects are?
They say they are helping a person, but they don’t even have the ability to actually
provide the space for that person to unburden himself?
I don’t know what to say about it. Their “ideology” is more non reality based, than the people they decide are “mentally ill.”
And they make someone feel there’s something wrong with them, as if when their treatment doesn’t work there’s something wrong with the patient, not the “cure,” and it becomes so embarrassing for their “patient” that…..
I don’t know what to say, I’m at a loss for words…..
I guess I don’t see how with the warning labels that are in place, although the drug companies tried to prevent it, how they can get away with supporting not telling a family member, when it’s known that these “medications” can cause suicidal ideation, and it says numerous places that that should be monitored (one would think they are responsible then to tell the family where the child lives, given the warning labels), yet they said it was a good option to not tell the family. The people they live with and thus who they then could relate to regarding what the effects are of drugs that are known to cause such!? Clearly it was not monitored by the professionals, the professionals themselves didn’t monitor it, and they prevented the child from telling his family, so the family could monitor the effects, neither did they tell the family themselves……
Isn’t that what they are required to do?
Neither do I see that failing to provide proper monitoring can be excused because it makes the drugs look bad, that then someone won’t keep trying treatment. There are already the warning labels in place.
Or if they actually take proper measures, and it’s known a person should be monitored that suicidal ideation can occur, then people not taking the drug, because it looks bad, might cause them to not heal from depression. Given looking at real statistics I don’t see that you can really back that up when being articulate and reality based……
Awhile back, someone heralding antidepressants mentioned how she couldn’t feel till she was on them. Then there was further discussion. And when I simply mentioned allowing the feeling some space to do what it does naturally, that emotions can be amazingly multidimensional. That they might just have a natural intelligence. And added more, because all art might be expressing this. And then she went on about “just a human emotion….” It’s like, did she want to feel or not, she said the antidepressants had helped her feel, but then feeling or just a human emotion…. or feeling……
It’s like people promoting avoiding a human response, because that’s just not accepted, rather than allowing it and making room for it……and it’s success to………
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I’m sorry but “a sizable portion” is not a scientific term, nor is it objective. The statistics HERE in this article shared ARE objective and scientific. As well as that in the long term antidepressants correlate with MORE relapsing: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4970636/#:~:text=Furthermore%2C%20a%20study%20of%20antidepressant,using%20adequate%20dosages%20of%20antidepressants.&text=Patients%20not%20treated%20with%20antidepressants,lowest%20recurrence%20rate%20(26%25). How they can cause sexual dysfunction: https://www.madinamerica.com/2024/10/antidepressants-linked-to-lasting-sexual-dysfunction-study-finds/ https://www.health.harvard.edu/womens-health/when-an-ssri-medication-impacts-your-sex-life How they barely show to work more than placebo, while there are numerous questionable things going on with the trials that show thus https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/325767 https://www.madinamerica.com/2022/08/antidepressants-placebo-caution/ https://www.madinamerica.com/2022/08/antidepressants-no-better-placebo-85-people/ When in clinical trials, people have to be put on more than just the antidepressant but also on a sedative because of akathisia this isn’t a trial for antidepressants anymore it’s a trial for two medications; when anyone getting better in the initial period or a few weeks, from the control, group is taken out of the reckoning; when often those in the non control group (those GETTING the medication being tested), have to be taken out of the reckoning because they left the experiment because of severe side effects, when the weeks after the experiment when those in the non control group had to get off of the medications and had SEVERE side effects isn’t reported; when there were who knows how many trials and ANY trial not showing the results wanted were discarded; when then given all of that STILL there was only a marginal efficacy which often isn’t even considered therapeutic, then we really DO have problems.
And when simple data is shared, and this is questioned by someone like Silvia Price trying to stereotype the people that got better without treatment as self medicating, as if the general public that simply doesn’t go for an antidepressants suddenly is full of self medicating people when 85% get better without any treatment such, or the use of the term “sizable portion” to avoid looking at the real statistics and what happens to people that DO NOT get helped, this starts to show that there is a lack of perspective, as well as bias.
When antidepressants work for you, or anyone else, this DOES NOT change the statistics regarding the general public nor does it excuse it. Nor is it objective, or science!
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Why stop at questioning whether they self-medicated? Why not have the premise that then they’ve learned not to see sadness as a disease simply accepted it and it went away, as if there’s something wrong with that? Why not have the premise that a situation that is labeled as good for them like going to church or always believing what the teacher says all the time or the boss that they have stopped with such and there is something wrong with that? Clearly I’m being sarcastic. Furthermore antidepressants mess around with neurotransmitters the same as street drugs or what you call self medicating. There’s no proof that they treat any serotonin deficiency in fact in the end they cause serotonin deficiency because the body stops making as much when the re-uptake is inhibited. And you have the same problems with withdrawal symptoms and with antidepressants that can be extremely difficult as well as having to deal with clinicians that instead of helping with withdrawal symptoms or being at all educated in how to relate that as a recurrence of a disease they label as a chemical imbalance. There is no real substantive proof that depression comes from a chemical imbalance, however there is substantive to proof that the medications used to treat depression which is labeled as a chemical imbalance do not treat a chemical imbalance but cause one that did not exist before. Again there is no real substantive proof that depression comes from a chemical imbalance. That is science.
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“According to the researchers, those with TRD had cardiovascular problems, functional decline, substance abuse, anxiety, and were labeled with personality disorders.” And then they got tardive dysphoria, while probably being surrounded by clinicians who act like programmed robots promoting yet another drug for treatment rather than looking at their (the patient’s) life and seeing that these people need something else besides acting like a pill (or shock therapy) is going to change your history. How oblivious do these clinicians have to be to what’s really going on with a human being to facilitate all of this? And I’m not surprised given what so many people believe. What they think will give them entrance to heaven for example because someone or some book told them that’s how it works. Well just hand them a pill and get a bunch of brainwashed people to repeat the superstition….
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Birdsong, since we’ve had Easter now. And supposedly this was the “ONE” occurrence of “resurrection.” Textbook case. Institutional example.
The friend I was talking about, I had forgotten that after her “death,” I had run into her, as I wrote in the second comment back: “And she was a really really good friendā¦ actually I have seen her since, I forgot.”
It has been happening quite a bit, lately. Another thing that’s supposed to be crazy. If you know Quantum physics, the double slit experiment and how wave patterns that are at all times moving all throughout the Universe actually became particles when observed, and take in what that might mean (regarding wave patterns that move at a speed where time has stopped), then such phenomenon become something much more simple. What’s the difference between thought and what you see, and whether this becomes physical, or ever materializes to begin with? Does time have any meaning at all, regarding what comes our way in the physical, and where does it come from? If it does have meaning how can there be a limit on energy, also, which THAT rule of thermodynamics says is only in limited form? What does it have to do with our thoughts? And WHAT are all these things, these feelings these experiences, these thoughts beyond what we’re supposed to be thinking or be crowned insane, what is all of that in contrast to such connections between the mind and what one can even record because of physical perceptions?
She was the one person who when I heard she had moved on, it didn’t ruffle me because I KNEW she had always done things her way, and had had a good life. What do we take with us when we move on to the other dimension? What do we add to forever? She told me she wouldn’t want to go to Russia with the Russian language teacher we were both taking classes from because: “That would be like going there with Jesus and all of his disciples.” She actually went regardless, and had said something akin to what I can’t remember, but was like: “last time I was going to do something that I couldn’t afford it (or was it that it was possible at all) I did it anyhow.” There then of course were stories about her behavior. It might be that she then started drinking again, because that is almost enforced with social norms. But I knew she was the composer Rossini, and had mentioned this to her (we often were at each other’s necks like some opera) but I also knew she was John the Baptist’s, what I thought father, but could have been mother……
I had heard she moved on, at first had really deep resonant sleep, I would go to her place often, when I needed some place quiet, as she had a subsidized apartment. But after hearing she had moved on, I heard her say: “I guess I’m “dead” now,” or such as one would say after you’ve been told who knows what regarding WHAT that is…… It’s like you end up one place which is a reward or the other which is a punishment, and it can’t be either if it’s real……. Children have to deal with such nonsense all the time, don’t they?
So, there she was sitting there, in an area where such had happened before. Just sitting there enjoying the sun, the sound of the birds, the people at the market. It seems like it used to be that extra terrestrials from more developed communities could show up, such as would have helped to build what to this day we can’t, all of the pyramids all over the planet. Stone work we really don’t have the ability as yet, in what’s deemed possible, although there are hints like the Coral Castle in Florida https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coral_Castle that are more recent. And more. But maybe, since they are destroying so much of the earth, which does have a history, and the good stuff remains in forever, you can’t flush it down the wishing well of what everyone wishes wouldn’t happen because it interfere’s with their controls. So, it’s not “good,” it’s what one really enjoys, shows life has meaning, and isn’t about guilt, debt or ideas of loss, or any of that……
That history isn’t history anymore, it’s alive…. there she was
As Emily Dickinson said about “little John’s….” playmate
He strained my faithā
Did he find it supple?
Shook my strong trustā
Did it thenāyield?
Hurled my beliefā
Butādid he shatterāit?
Rackedāwith suspenseā
Not a nerve failed!
Wrung meāwith Anguishā
But I never doubted himā
āThoā for what wrong
He did never sayā
Stabbedāwhile I sued
His sweet forgivenessā
Jesusāitās your little āJohnā!
Donāt you knowāme?
It’s a big problem for people, Jesus was supposed to be dead, their brand of discipline using trauma, coercion, threat, fear, torture etc. it was supposed to maintain whatever they thought was the profit from it…….
Things are getting worse for them it seems…….
Not just Jesus, but his playmate’s parent (not having to totally go for the mainstream brand of it), after a few other rounds, and more……
I hadn’t cried when I heard she moved on, and at the time I ran into her it was simple normal, like it would be for any “schizophrenic.” Then it’s all integrated, I remember, and somehow start to express the “memory,” as if remembering what was there the whole time is memory, but I started to give it a place in my mind. THEN, I cried, because of the love there, and how she was such a good friend, such a blessing, and how life really is love, and how EVERYTHING we encounter is good, is love, and what we take with use to forever makes it all more than worth while, beyond any idea of whether it is or not. And it makes me want to LIVE life…… Just to do those things, like she always did. Just “something” and enjoy it, and refresh myself…..
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“They invoke the Mƶbius strip to illustrate this idea. Just as a Mƶbius strip has only one side, the subject is both shaped by and resistant to the social order. Suffering, in this topology, occurs at the seam between language and what it cannot express.”
To begin with, a Mƶbius strip, even in the standard mainstream interpretation of a two dimensional something, has two sides (as if a piece of paper only has two), but it being already able to be twisted has to have depth (or to even be a piece of paper as well) so it’s at least three dimensional. And being used for thought would be at least four dimensional, here.
Listing suffering as something in a row of topics…….
Would one go to a therapist who then decides: “shall we talk about their suffering, or their cognitive abilities, or their……?” I think there’s already quite a block there. Or what would happen would a therapist ask a patient: “Well, shall we talk about your suffering, or the problems with your cognitive abilities, or maybe your emotional understanding or impact?”
Like WOW dude, I’m not a text book……!?
Would people take on the verbiage of psychiatry, and use it for themselves, and find out themselves what’s going on, this remains something different than having a “legal” diagnosis put down: what used to be on paper now probably is digital, and stored; and so what’s the difference?
I don’t know the statistics, would one look at EVERYONE using these common phrases, whether that helps them find out what’s going on and escaping the predatory behavior of what so often goes on in psychiatry, but these terms are so common now that I think everyone uses such as “depressed” or even “schizophrenic” or “psychotic” or “ADHD” or “autistic” about themselves at times.
I’m not saying that’s the predominant side of it, that then they figure it out on their own in a more natural manner, which one would HOPE is going on, just that there are more than one, also more than two……
And a lot of people use “Yankee Doodle” language…….
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Birdsong, I had to laugh. There seem to be a lot of people that think there’s harm in seeing there’s more to physical life and death than meets the eye when it actually does meet the eye. I mean it’s one thing when it remains invisible but when it actually starts animating itself in the physical as well then people really start having problems don’t they? Then it’s schizophrenic or conspiracy theories or whatever…… They especially have problems wheln it shows to exist but they can’t control it to their money ambitions or territorial disputes or need to dominate and control people. And even worse than that, when it’s not going to control people with fear to their morals and limitations, people have big problems. Can’t exist. As if miracles are from the devil or something…..
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Just to make sure you know I was completely joking regarding 666. Me and a really good friend were at one time making a whole book, like you would have on a coffee table, with jokes about 666. For example, put three sixes sequentially down three steps, and I called it “the descent of the beast,” and we had one in a perambulator. Still have it around here somewhere.
Unfortunately, my friend at one time was put on some sort of neuroleptic. She had moved into a new place, and thought she was being a bit florid, and unfortunately went you know where and got a you know what, and you know what. I think the only affect it had was that in the long run she couldn’t sleep did she not take it. She then had a heart attack just before covid. I think she was then already 78. I didn’t even know because her family did nothing but send her body for cadaver use at the local University’s medical department. I had been having really deep dreams, then heard she had passed on, and then heard her voice rather funny: “I guess I’m dead now,” or so. When we had talked about this she was an adamant atheist. She would say that she would become part of the earth, the sun etc. She is someone I had no sorrow for, because I knew she had a good life, despite everything, and she always did things her own way, completely. And she was a really really good friend… actually I have seen her since, I forgot.
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Birdsong, I have an “important” message. Apparently, the Universe agrees with us regarding fear. Because when I clicked on this story, the listed number of views was 666. NOW it is 667. BIG CHANGE to let go of fear…… JUST IMAGINE had I not agreed with you?
That said. It remains unbelievable to me, not only how people behave, worshiping fear as a necessary tool for getting what they want, as if that doesn’t separate them from their “enemy” and in doing so limits their concepts from even knowing what they are aiming for. From not seeing themselves in their enemy, and how they invest in fear to keep that going, and kill themselves, potential, harmony and piece to keep such :justice” going to creating incredibly corrupt dark pockets in this “discipline” they say they think they need to implement this fear. You can NOT tell them they don’t know what they are doing, and you can’t tell them about the dark pockets controlling everything consequently. They would say those are conspiracy theories…
As I said: “Watch the News. Read the New York Times. And you have both factions of enemy and hero changing places on the other side so both can profit off of the gullibility of people.”
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To be honest, I didn’t know the “NEW YORK TIMES” was so bad. I had gotten from my fathers books by Harold C Schonberg about the classic composers, and thought heh…… But reading this article, what they said about a whole list of things, and then other stuff not even mentioned that I know aren’t going to be reported correctly just about anywhere…….
I wouldn’t read the New York Times about ANYTHING political or scientific or medical, unless I wanted to read just one viewpoint, to see what THAT was, and would never find it having perspective… wouldn’t read it but for that one viewpoint ideology etc. Just to see what those people are saying, but I wouldn’t believe that I then knew in general…….
But that’s the way in general with such publications. Has been for years and for years. History itself. What’s in the books.
Most people are SO filled with fear thinking they have to know, have an opinion, have filled their brain with set input, or they aren’t safe, they wouldn’t know what’s going on to begin with, only see what they are told to believe.
In general it’s not believed that sacrificing a goat or a virgin is going to bring safety, that this will appease God, and yet why was this ever going on. I don’t think it was even about “God,” it was a means to traumatize people, to put fear in their lives and gain control. On the other side it was that they think they need these “authorities.” So and such is powerful because it will terrorize people into behaving. etc. etc…..
Now it’s more ideas like a “chemical imbalance,” or “terrorism,” or other “enemies,” and how much are such things produced in order to brainwash people? Mind control 101, make people think they are under attack and you can control them.
Watch the News. Read the New York Times. And you have both factions of enemy and hero changing places on the other side so both can profit off of the gullibility of people.
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I hadn’t quite worked this out, I notice…. Once the psychiatrists, yet to be able to change a light bulb, and their chemical imbalance for knowledge regarding such…….Once they get that far (which as yet is of course completely mental, having added on how you change a light with what to do when others can’t understand this mental need), they intend to work on how you unclog a sink and other such riddlesā¦ā¦ since an unclogged sink has a different effect than a light not going on, they are already pondering how to engage with such a problem, but they have determined it could [have] something different than [a variation of] having a chemical imbalance. Since a clogged sink isnāt taking in what would flow into it, they think a probable cause is a fear of causing emptiness. And again, they are making headway, and thereās compelling evidenceā¦..
You see, a wheel with spokes, has to have a hole in the middle of it, to actually be functional, for an axle. The same you can’t fill up a cup that isn’t empty. And being that for them to fill the cup, or have the world spinning around their axles, and how they want to make sure that such evil influences akin to the the anti-psychiatry don’t get into axles and empty cups (what would happen to carbonation for example?) that a clogged sink has to do with?
With fear of emptiness…
But as yet, they haven’t gotten permission to pour their wisdom, or rather their method and medications into the sink, being that the intent is to unclog it [this will make your sink want to unclog and be empty to be filled with our treatment and wisdom was mentioned as part of a label]. Although they HAVE looked into advertising quite abundantly the powers of their medications to alleviate the fear of emptiness [especially regarding the fear of being empty for them] and then also the danger of being filled with the wrong treatment, but found that the sink allegory could promote people thinking THAT is where their drugs belong, once the sink is unclogged. But they are making headway in how to explain this because it is so circuitous.
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I wonder whether the anti-antipsychiatry contingency is going to say that Bruce Levine is promoting taking a whack at psychiatrists whenever they try to have a creative idea in how to heal the multitudes…….
ON THE OTHER HAND!
There’s this experiment famous in psychology how when you tell people to give another person an electrical shock when they get a wrong answer, how many people keep on doing that EVEN when the person is said to have a heart problem and it’s clear they are being put in danger, although that was a setup: actually, actors. But that is FAMOUS I don’t think that ONE psychiatrist wouldn’t know about this, or almost none, since it’s part of any basic psychology course, and YET how many of them do EXACTLY that…… with their patients…….. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment#:~:text=Beginning%20on%20August%207%2C%201961,sounds%20for%20each%20shock%20level.
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How many psychiatrists does it take to change a light bulb?
None of them have as yet, they are still trying to prove it has a chemical imbalance, and since that hasn’t panned out have changed-to/are-also-trying-out something called brain circuitry. But, they are making headway, there’s compelling evidence, light bulbs are complicated devices, just like the brain, which they are working on figuring out just to make sure you know HOW they are going to end up changing the lightbulb, when they have figured that out, because if your brain isn’t working properly you wouldn’t know how they change a lightbulb. They are used to trying to explain things to people, and then having to work on the problem of it not being understandable. So, they first have to make sure they know what to do would you not understand how they are changing a lightbulb, then they will actually work on changing a lightbulb, but they are making headway.
Once they get that far, they intend to work on how you unclog a sink and other such riddles…… since an unclogged sink has a different effect than a light not going on, they are already pondering how to engage with such a problem, but they have determined it could something different than [a variation of] having a chemical imbalance. Since a clogged sink isn’t taking in what would flow into it, they think a probable cause is a fear of causing emptiness. And again, they are making headway, and there’s compelling evidence…..
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THANKS! I’ll refresh myself on sine and cosine and all of the geometry stuff. Because as I RECALL all they did was teach us this stuff, and make graphs, and never for any purpose….. That really helps, it makes it multidimensional, and I could look for other ways — what was hammered into my head in highschool one hour a day for a whole year — that it has purpose.
Just to be facetious, but hate speech, the different words to insult people from different cultures, races, sexual identities, ages, what’s called “intelligence,” ideas of beauty do those all boil down to the same, or it would be that psychiatric diagnosis have less insight than what’s already lack of insight?
I mean it’s standard knowledge that hate speech doesn’t define anything. Psychiatric diagnosis supposedly does. Does that make such labels worse than being wrong, being that it defines something as being considered right, but it’s wrong. I mean in general when people are treated with such there’s less recovery than when they are “treated.” But then, I might not be using the right way to point this out, whether they come out as the same “word,” as you explained, that might be that they all come out as being “a disease,” when hate speech comes out as being wrong insight.
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There are people who do have marked concerns: https://x.com/LGBCourage/status/1900213621784715771?t=fVovwT9vKi1JFPcFTtRZ6A&s=19
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Dear dear Andrew Seefeldt. I did a search for alternative psychiatrists in Australia, and got for example a hit for this place https://zenwavesclinic.net/integrative-psychiatrists-sydney/ I don’t know if they would be able to take over your case, and listen to your story, and help you thus. But it’s worth a try, perhaps. You aren’t alone, we’re with you. There’s always an answer, despite it’s “crazy” to think so. All that can happen within this “impossibility” called “crazy”…… Don’t give up……
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Just to be clear, although I’ve already responded quite floridly, what I was referring to regarding that there’s too much focus on the physical, I was not saying that one should disregard what psychiatric medications do, and herald how they suppress “symptoms.” One CERTAINLY should not discount that statistically everything gets worse in the long run. What I was saying that if someone actually allows some legroom for whatever was initially going on to look for treatment, and instead want to understand why they just aren’t fitting into what’s called consensual reality deportment, statistical based norms, or the status quo, or even their idea of how life was supposed to play out, that perhaps allowing that, and not wanting to fit in will do more for them than they could have conceived of in thinking it was disrupting their life.
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I wonder if it’s too much to explain this, because I’m interested. How does it turn out that all these different psychiatric diagnosis which clearly are supposed to be separate distinct diseases, how do they turn out to be the same word? I mean, we all sort of know this that they aren’t really based on concrete science, and there’s no consensus between different psychiatrists that they end up diagnosing the same symptoms with the same disease, but how does that turn into them all being the same word?. If it’s too much to explain don’t worry about it I’m just curious.
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Um, someone goes to a psychiatrist because they have something going on in their life, or others think there’s something going on. Whether they feel they are traumatized, or people in their environment think they are crazy (or even stuff that happened they can’t talk about, with others, and think the psychiatrist will help); and then would the psychiatrist come along with: “oh,we’ll fix this, we’ll traumatize your brain too, then you’ll have a traumatized brain and an environment that’s……”
My first therapist I had (after years and years of staying away from any of them I heard of a place that was reasonably alternative), who was a real piece of work. She was so impressed with me, she wanted to use me as a peer, was going to start her own company, and has since. But after telling her all I knew regarding antidepressants, she said she wanted to start the company so that supposedly vulnerable indigenous people could get antidepressants earlier (!?!?!?!?!?!?). She saw some kind of profit from such, and wanted to see whether I would be for that, she KNEW what I said, I had clearly explained the science of it. No, I didn’t become one of her workers. But we had talked quite a bit, and I had told her stuff regarding what’s going on in secret government programs, or something to that extent (I don’t even really remember what I said, I think mind control), and she ended up in a plane going back from applying for some position in California, and the guy next to her was a psychiatrist, she found out, and started telling him about what I had told her. He told her that that stuff really goes on, apparently he had people coming to him regarding such…….
How is HE going to help them traumatizing their brain even further, with meds” not that I know whether he did that but……. Go to a psychiatrist because something is going on in your life you can’t talk about and you stand the chance of…….
I was just brushing my teeth, by the way, and then remembered this also, after realizing, one goes to a psychiatrist and…. and then this story. I know that stuff goes on regarding such programs also…….. But you just touch in with this prevalence of hidden stuff regarding psychiatry, words warped to be used to do the opposite of what they mean, a labyrinth of of crazy assumptions, or outright deceptions, people doing things detached from the outcome calling others non reality based…. I just touch in with it, and there I go with a whole cascade or memories and then yet again another realization of how “crazy” it is….
Still, from all of above and how you honored me with a quote, but I still think that we’re not dealing with physical disease, and even, for those that have got stuck in the system and have said damage, to focus too much on the physical part, might be getting away from what can heal. Because the real “symptoms” of “mental illness” can be stuff that leads back to what’s beyond the physical, and EVEN with the horrible damage psychiatric drugs can cause, and the trauma of treatment, when that stuff that was originally there is allowed FINALLY the space to express itself, it can possibly balance all of that out in a way that wouldn’t be happening if the focus remain on the damage the psychiatric drugs caused…. There’s still something beyond all of that, I think IMHO… a lot of people have recovered, perhaps more than even physical science should say was possible given the damage the drugs do, not that I’m EXCUSING such damage it’s just……. Maybe what was going on was never a disease to begin with, and didn’t need…… there is that element also
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Thanks Kat, I try. You brought it up how even the symptoms that emerge from the “medications” are something else than what was there in the first place before such disabling of natural functions. And then the psychiatrists don’t even see what’s coming from the “medications,” and tally that up as more of the original “disease” emerging.
One tries to use a word like “disease” or “symptom,” and….. the symptoms of the real disease (drugs disabling natural functions) are made out to be symptoms of what was made out to be a disease but was trauma expressing itself (so it can be known, so one can heal knowing), or the “symptom” was simply someone that had perspective beyond what’s considered possible is a supposed symptoms…..
Thanks for pointing that out, because I would say that too, that the drugs cause mental illness (longterm, side effects, withdrawal symptoms, etc.), but then I wasn’t always separating the two. Because of what the drugs do to people, and THEY [the psychiatrists] call it mental illness, and even THEY would they have their eyes open or were they interested in reality could SEE what’s happening, which expresses itself scientifically and statistically, and so one would think you could say to them: “EXCUSE ME your treatment is causing what you say you started treatment for…….” But even beyond that the disease the drugs cause can be proven to exist, the other can’t really. So, it’s even the psychiatrists listing yet again something else, what THEY caused in their treatment, as yet again needing treatment… as if it’s the same thing, and they don’t even see they are causing it, something else, and label it as what one couldn’t really call a disease to begin with. But what the drugs cause IS a disease. So what is “mental illness” the epidemic of psychiatric drug use? THAT would perhaps be accurate. Get rid of the medications, and there wouldn’t be what’s verified to be a chemical imbalance in “mental illness.” There are verifiable chemical imbalances coming from the
medications,” if you want to get rid of that, and treat chemical imbalance in “mental illnesses” get rid of the medications. THAT would be taking what they say they are doing, and being rational with it. Being sane with it. Being reality based with it. You can’t even express the truth, can’t disagree with them (one has to say not all of them, but there you go, it already isn’t about science) without them calling you non compliant, or having anosognosia, ODD. A danger to yourself and others etc… because of what THEY have caused, and you’re not going along with that, for them to see if you end up in the nice cubby hole of complacent compliance, the minority they cherry pick ( I wish I could find a better way to describe this, as I love cherries ) to force it on others, while the majority is consistent with the spike, the epidemic…. Despite that we do have insides, there is an anatomy there…..
I haven’t even been psychiatrically drugged, by the way. I only remained with said “symptoms” and was put on disability. I was just disturbed, at first when diagnosed, like anyone, but then given the situation my brain had to start making up whole figurative arrangements of inner experiences that were so beyond societal norms it scared me, unfortunately, and then one needs a health brain to figure it out. And by some magic of chance I managed to somehow avoid forced treatment, just by a hair’s breadth sometimes, it seems. And it takes a healthy brain to figure out what’s going on, or just to allow the brain itself to find answers, with all the amazing abilities the brain has, what we are given as a gift….. And it’s worth figuring out, it’s amazing and awe-inspiring how what’s made out to be something crazy to turn off is something completely different: perspective that’s liberating, florid, an expression of who we really are, what happens by itself…..
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If the symptoms of mental illness are warning signs, or beyond that the beginning of how you transcend trauma, what “psychiatric” medications do is actually cause trauma, to the body, and also to the emotions, and so again these social fabrications that everything is wonderful, and if you show signs of making society loose it’s grip on its fantasies that it’s all ship shape (as long as you get the rewards for being brainwashed), then, then you supposedly have a mental illness when not supporting said fantasy, and then you get further traumatized by treatment. And then we can go back to whether trauma creates mental illness, but then you have to see it as a mental illness rather than what it is.
“Sadness” “not being able to concentrate” “supposedly non reality based thoughts” thoughts which in reality are more thoughts than the programming that’s supposed to be attached to the physical (or it’s non reality based supposedly again), or just programming in general (thoughts which aren’t thoughts) which is how often is it NOT even attached to the physical it uses to be objective but just more social constructs such as take a pill and it will heal you, kill the enemy (isn’t he then also supposed to want to kill you and see you as such) etc. etc. “do what the boss says, he’s the authority, or the school or the church…..” Even grief for example, in ways I wonder what is going on, even myself, whether it’s we’ve lost part of ourselves and miss it in others who have gone back to the source, and thus we’re reminded of the love there….. or it’s just a remembering of the value in life, but it’s all transcending to another level, not something to turn off, as if it can be turned off, and that’s what the drugs are doing…. we’re meant to see the value in life, all of it, no matter how we would have wanted it different when it’s completed safe in forever to grow there without interference….. But even something completely labeled as “delusions” or “non reality based” or psychotic” etc. can have more of a poetry or resonance or when looked at can be more reasonable than what’s considered sane, because it relates to thought not to programming, and the craziest thing could have a symbolism that when understood changes a person’s inner ingrained reflexes (because it’s relating to the inside, but as soon as it’s not understood by others they get alarmist and it’s a mental illness, as if we have no insides), change your reflexes by looking at the inside and it changes the future and so is more objective than anything tangible to what’s called reality, while that “reality doesn’t have such a relationship with the meaning of life, time, certainly not the future other than what’s made out to be safety will cause the problem to repeat itself…… Or even just symptoms that these medications aren’t helping, they don’t treat a chemical imbalance, then programming would say that’s anogsognosia, when in reality the anosognosia is not being aware of what the drugs do, or not being ALLOWED to be aware. That’s oppression. Does someone get “psychotic” because of antidepressants that’s a WARNING signal what the trauma is they aren’t supposed to see is from the antidepressants, and the antidepressants could be because someone got on ADHD meds and started having repetitive behaviors which was labeled as yet another “symptom” of a mental illness rather than AGAIN a sign the medications were traumatizing….. All sets of behaviors that really are annoying for society, like the one organism of a group that starts to evolve from the rest (and is in touch with the future needs), that gets targeted for not being part of the program. Not part of the complacent mob. Or when a simple warning light or signal goes on. A smoke alarm, and people turn it off and act like everything is fine, when a fire could be on the loose; or in a car, when you need oil or brake fluid (I don’t drive don’t really know so I’m improvising), but then turn it off and you don’t have that annoying flashing light but the car starts breaking down after awhile. What warning signal are you going to turn off then? The car can’t function anymore. But with “psychiatry” there could be a whole matrix of warning signals all turned off till the next one emerges until the body breaks down. And the real warning signals are made out to be something to turn off while society enabled by psychiatry creates these fake warning signals involving “symptoms,” making society quite paranoid and alarmist. That’s ignoring what the medications are doing, or in the beginning why a person was having “symptoms” which were an attempt the brain and the soul have of warning there’s something going on. Then you have the vehicle damaged in another way when the warning signals weren’t attended to, the response trying to again warn what’s REALLY going on.
And what are these “symptoms” that start the whole domino effect until the vehicle is destroyed. It could be trauma, something they can’t express yet and get no help with understanding the symptoms (can a wound have symptoms also, and not be a disease? If you know what’s hurting you, what’s causing the wound, then you know rather than be unaware to get away from it or make it stop or take other measures) or it could just be someone knows something that’s considered out of bounds. Even at a precognitive level, or what is supposedly impossible to know although it pans out like psychic senses. People tend to turn off, that’s also too much for their “safety” to fit into the norm. And so it can be traumatizing even knowing such things and wanting to find where you can express them, or something on the inside emerging that tries to point out what needs the space to emerge. What needs to be understood at a cognitive level where the “symptoms” are pointing out something’s going on. Whatever is going on, the “psychiatric symptoms” could be what the soul and brain do to transcend trauma, which is hardly a disease, but then you add psychiatric drugs and more trauma, yeah, you’re going to have the brain disabled, all of the symptoms, and these ARE symptoms (symptoms of a disease, not a wound, a wound isn’t a disease) as you quoted from Breggin: “symptoms similar to those of someone with a traumatic brain injury after one month on these drugs. After a few months, individuals will exhibit a limited repertoire of verbal, emotional and behavioural responses. Frequently misdiagnosed as āmental illnessā, these manifestations are due to the personās drug-induced cognitive disability: a chronic brain impairment directly attributed to their psychiatric prescription (Breggin, P. (2012).” and then you have the stuff labeled as symptoms (of a disease rather than trauma needing attention or a wound) which are the warning signals, the brain and the soul trying to get away from, transcend the trauma, to warn the self something is going on, and that’s then labeled as the disease, rather than………
And the most insane thing is how they try to make out they are tending to emotional wounds, or such trauma, and then in reality traumatize the brain (and the emotions themselves whose expression is made out to be a disease), all while saying they are treating trauma……
Like creating a chemical imbalance saying they are treating one, and then like you said, the disabling of the brain can be seen as negative symptoms of say “schizophrenia” or any of the “diseases” that a person can’t take care of themselves anymore ( I wonder what the rising costs are, someone on usually 1000 dollars of medications, and then the extra money from the state to be warehoused in foster care like labrats, is that like $4000 a month? 3000? 5000? 2000? along with their advertising, the everything of people maintaining this on all sides, which often makes out it’s charitable and Hollywood chimes in with their “celebrities”… how many people have ended up shuffling around such?)……. and then what is any dissent from that? ODD, OCD, anogsognosia (which I already mentioned), non compliance, being “weird”, being ridiculed, being shunned, bizarre alarmist ideas others have along with totally unreality based conclusions gossip and propaganda……… and you’re supposed to want to be part of such a “society” in order to be “functional” safe” and “sane”!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
While the edit function is still on, as I was doing dishes thinking about how much this all costs. If there’s just 1,000,000 people that cost the government 1,000 dollars (often the “meds” alone are that much, I don’t know how much the “gov” pays for that but…..) that’s one billion. Add everything else, then estimate the loss of intelligence, functionality, ingenuity, evolutionary value with the disabling of natural functions of the brain, and added to that the phobia in society against anything that’s not part of the programmed norm adding to this loss with the amount of people who aren’t even taking disabling controlled substances called psychiatric drugs but still turn off part of their brain, their self….are controlled by fear (and social norms and lobbying) and ignore the warning signals………… are we at a Trillion yet?
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Dear J Munro, all the years I’ve been going through what I’ve been going through, I have frequented drop in centers for marginalized, or people with a mental health label. I have to a bit stop myself from going florid would I starts to say what I’ve seen regarding what you’ve mentioned regarding “deep muddy waters,” and then also how both you and your husband had started giving in to the system, because things got so bad, and you didn’t know it was the “medications.” Somehow you got out, and the truth of what was going on dawned through. What I’ve seen in drop in centers though, over years and years of encountering very very human people is heart breaking. I’m just glad you got away from such “treatment.”
As is the case to often all over the place, workers at drop in centers can be TERRIBLY misinformed regarding medications, especially when they are given to people already labeled as being disabled. All they see is withdrawal symptoms would someone want to get off of what’s disabling them, and then people that remain compliant are rewarded, just like you see in any environment where you get a pat on the head for being part of the gang. It was shocking for me, what happened when I simply mentioned people getting off of their medications. Someone on antidepressants had come to the head of one drop in center, trying to get off of them and all she could do was cry, which was the head’s reason to not even have any group to help people (as if everyone would have such a reaction, the person went back on the meds, I donāt know how a group helping people would disrupt THAT, but the head was on antidepressants I found out). Other than that it was a nice lady, but she herself was on antidepressants, her children also, her husband had committed suicide, and then there was no mention why HE would have done that, or the environment etc. A bit of stuff going on in the background here. As you see, I start going on about this and it gets florid. Other workers, you couldn’t get them to even acknowledge what withdrawal symptoms had to do with it, or that the medications caused the chemical imbalance which hadn’t existed before “treatment” by any discernible disease. etc. etc. Some workers of course were on “medications” and couldn’t get off of them but to me clearly depicted behavior that would explain their problems, and their addiction to a disabled brain. I couldnāt get them to be articulate beyond a certain point, regarding all sorts of stuff. I got one lady off who was a secretary, and she had done this quietly, I think first denying it, and then she left the place. She had gotten herself off of everything, and just said something about the “government,” and that she wasn’t going to take a bunch of stuff they paid for or something to that extent. At that drop in center there were people stuck in the system, even got rewards for playing the part of a poor helpless sort of pet of the system, until they really expressed what was going on. One guy who everyone thought the cutest, and would make little paintings with cute sayings on it was adored by everyone, but then one day he wasn’t so nice. He must have had irritable bowl syndrome from the 1000 dollars of meds he was on, which is easy to look up or know, and he actually had erupted, I think with the anger, frustration, oppression of what at one moment the feeling of that was, and actually taken a bowl movement out of his pants and thrown it at the wall or something. He of course was simply barred from the art room, no one ever looked into why he would do that, there was only extreme gossip regarding him. I could go on and on. And I’m not condoning throwing your sh@#$@#()t at the walls, there just was absolutely no perspective on it, and anyone a bit enlightened would start to see further. You disable someone’s brain from even knowing what’s going on, tell them lies about chemical imbalances not saying the only real proof beyond that con job is the drugs cause chemical imbalance by disabling natural functions of the brain, and then the abusers are suddenly heroes taking care of these poor victims while they are part of the system abusing them and keeping them down. It’s hair raising, just to see that, just to see how brainwashed people are. At another drop in center, where it was better in ways, but not too much, there were numerous people who would come there who some time in their life years and years ago had had an extreme emotional reaction, a normal reaction to something in their life. Whether this played out in a fantasy for a day, or just they themselves feeling there was something wrong with them, they ended up somehow being predatory to the mental health system, and went from point A to B to C to D until they for the rest of their life ended up in foster care facilities with nothing to do the rest of the day but go to a drop in center. Who knows how they’d been used as lab rats for some, as the drug companies always said, elusive chemical imbalance they were sure they would find, they had compelling evidence, they were making headway, the brain is a very complex organ etc. etc.. I would try to talk to these people, but there was no ability for them to even realize what really happened, how there was never any real understanding of what had happened to them years ago, or they maybe didn’t even really remember other than that they had been deemed mentally ill. And none of them had any real symptoms at all anywhere anymore, other than they thought they couldn’t take care of themselves, or were so doped up they wouldn’t be able to. Or theyād have their medications changed, who knows why, maybe they said the wrong thing to the psychiatrist about who knows what like āI get anxious when I hear the news,ā and so one lady suddenly was falling asleep all the time, because of the meds, somehow this had been resolved, I donā t know how. At that drop in center there had been a head of it that would understand the truth, but I have to stop going on about other things there that were ridiculous or add two more pages….. People that had simply given up on life, didn’t have any symptoms anymore, but acted like good little children, a bit comparable to obeying church rules or what have you I can’t think of to make comparisons with (going to school every day, watching the same movies and TV everyone else does?)….. and went around circles believing…….like actors playing a role, but not even one that had any real meaning……. One can only wonder what a percentage of the “success” stories the system puts out come from such people.
“muddy waters” and I’m only really taking this lightly what I’ve shared….
Then there are the stories of the people that didn’t make it. The mental health system would say they need more ability to force treat people, more research along the same lines where their ideology hasn’t worked out, but the “ideology” sounds good. “Chemical imbalance,” lets forget that the drugs cause that, and that’s science, but lets make out we’ll find it in the disease, which has never emerged yet. A friend of mine who I knew for years, saw her struggle trying to find equilibrium. She could be fine for years, even have a job, a house, a car, friends. Then something would erupt. She just wanted to be normal and it wasn’t working. She had come from a tumultuous family where the father was violent towards the mother, and I’ve detailed in another post how the mother then tried to coach her that the father had sexually molested her, and a “therapist” also, who could just put forth his suspicions. It turned out it was during a time when she was on a boat trip with the father and a sailor had sexually molested her, but for years, again the muddy waters. And of all things, the stuff with “the system” started when she went to college. From what she told me all that was going on was that she was kissing a boy in the halls, and a friend of her father’s, who was a professor, saw her, and called him up, and they had her committed. The father, mind you, was a notorious womanizer, actually. The poor girl ended up being carted around for a year in different institutions, which the rest of her life seemed to be exposing what that does to one. FOR A YEAR because she had been kissing a boy in the halls, and some teacher thought this shows some sign of who knows what, to have that turn into a whole faction of other “professionals” making up who-knows-whats for a whole year. There was then the anger against the system, the loss of understanding regarding how the “medications” kept her from finding equilibrium and the abject fear of what happens when she would lose it, and then the part of her that just wanted to be normal. I know what it’s like, you look at everyone else being able to be a cog in the wheel, part of the machinery, and then you see how you’ve failed, until you just finally start seeing what’s really going on despite that like 95 or 99% of the people “making it” are a bit too much akin to androids, and you could get them to believe anything just as long as they get rewards from the system, regardless of science, truth, real insight etc. Lilly would say she just wanted to be normal. A fantasy she couldn’t let go of. https://www.lifestorynet.com/obituaries/lisbeth-lilly-lipke.29513#memories And when you read her obituary, when it says: ā.We thank all of you, especially those who were so present with Lilly this past year and month. You know who you are and no words can adequately convey our gratitude for your kindness and love.ā those actually are the people that once again had her committed, force committed into an asylum, into a situation that had caused the problems, and I had warned them what might happen, that they would lose her, and had tried to state clearly regarding the science of what was going on. In fact, she had fled her house. They had invited me and her for tea and some cake, because they wanted to confront her, they got us into their house, then asked me to leave because they wanted toā¦.. I said that was funny (they had lied to me) said I wouldnāt do that, and left. I waited a few minutes, and she came BOUNDING across the street in terror, tried to get away on my bike which was locked, instead pushed down on the pedals so hard she broke her achilles tendon, and a sort of chase scene ensued. They invaded her house, acted like eager pundits to get rewards, called her case manager, and then I had enough of it, called to THAT house where one of those āfriendsā answered, and said that Lilly clearly didnāt want them in her house, and if they didnāt leave I would call the police. Then the lady who had answered the phone said in a sarcastic tone: āOh, would youā¦..?ā And I knew theyād lay a whole schpiel on the police. So I never called the police. But then I was passing her house, and the police were there, the whole dark cloud around it. Lilly of course by then quite disassociated emotionally from what was going on, talking to the police, saw me, and said to a police man who I was, and that I was a really nice person. The policeman then told me to āmove onā or Iād be arrested. I asked whether I could ask him why, and he said I would be disrupting an investigation. So, I went home, and there actually called non emergency police to tell them the facts, of how people had trespassed into her house, etc. the police at the non emergency desk then told me she had been doing things which she hadnāt. TOTALLY DIFFERENT POLICE also. They said she had been taking off her clothes in public. Turns out later that wasnāt true, but as soon as she FLED these āfriends,ā the FIRST THING one of them said is that she was taking off her clothes, running around naked. Apparently, they then feel free to tell the police this, which is a lie. And I have to say that I havenāt really heard ANY stories regarding someone being committed where there isnāt such going on, whether much more minimal or worse. This ācouldā happen so it is happeningā¦. And people have done, and do this to me. ADDED to that, when she was in the asylum, because her achilles tendon was ripped, her leg was swollen up to the knee, and in a āmedicalā setting they NEVER even looked at it. DESPITE it was swollen to the knee. In a medical setting! The result was that when she got out, she couldnāt walk properly anymore. But they did actually drug her up so that when she was feeling āniceā enough to convince them she was OK (she actually told me later she knew how to do this), I was told she wouldnāt even remember if she had taken her pills or not. I never asked why she was supposed toā¦ā¦ In the beginning her friends were all coming at me, like I was stupid or impossible, and I was told: āLillyās not taking her medications,ā and I replied: āThey donāt work scientifically or statistically.ā I should have said something regarding whether they could help her get OFF of them, say titrate etc. And later one of them actually AGREED with me that the pills only make things worse, YET they had her committed. Her mother ALSO, who said sheād looked into it and the only way, according to her, Lilly could be helped was in a very expensive place, like for Hollywood people, and they couldnāt afford that. Instead she AGAIN had her daughter committed. And it was a whole GROUP of people, if they had collectively actually cared to read the material regarding the āmedicationsā the ātreatment;ā how to help someone that the treatment hadnāt worked for, how to help them would they want to get off of said ātreatment,ā had allowed Lilly to just say whatever was going on instead of scaring her that ended up being what it wasā¦ā¦. It was a whole group of people, many of the agreeing regarding the āmedications,ā what might have happened where they not aggressively against and condoning violence AGAINST the truth when it wasnāt convenient to them? The last time I talked with her, before she committed suicide, she showed me how she couldnāt sit still, and her arm would start shaking, then told me how the psychiatrist at the institution had said: āYou either take this, and that and that, or youāre not getting out of here.ā and so she was on a whole cocktailā¦..Old story, whole history of what CAUSED the problems they were supposedly fixingā¦.. A different friend of hers I ran into a few times walking his dog a few years ago told me she had been to him, had gone to a doctor, and the doctor said they couldnāt fix her achilles tendon anymore. The friend had tried to tell her that she should try another doctor, but she had become so despondent by thenā¦ā¦
She told me that when they confronted her, having to deal with all of such, she had told them she was the second coming. What does A Course in Miracles say regarding the second coming? One of her āfriendsā being someone who said she liked A Course in Miracles, and when I had some minor critique of it wouldnāt hear it: āThe old view of the Second Coming saw evil as a real force with a terrible energy of its own, a will in opposition to God, a will which had to be combated and overcome. The Course, in seeing the Second Coming as the correction of mistakes, does not see evil as a real force. Darkness is not aĀ thing, a substance, it is merely the absence of light.ā āthe Second Coming is the return of our awareness of our true Self.Ā ā You can do a google search with āWhat does A Course in Miracles say about the second coming,ā and you get all sorts of replies akin. Some guy who was supposed to be so āChristianā teaching in a āChristianā college immediately said he would call the police, etc. Later, during the chase scene, when I told him that they were harassing her, he actually tried to threaten me with calling the police, and I asked him for what, telling the truth, than he got dramatic and told me to stopā¦ Stop with what? Telling the truth? That being BEFORE I found out they lied to the policeā¦ā¦
Well, and so whatās the second coming? One day, I wanted to go to the beach and thought I would ask Lilly to take us, since she had a car, then within a short time she called me talking about going to the beach, that we had a conversation about this. I didnāt disqualify that I had thought about it as a conversation, but she responded a bit tragic, as if that was too muchā¦..
I was involved with yet ANOTHER āspiritualā healing group, and beforehand thought Iād contact Lilly, again in my mind. Not even thinking about what I just shared. And THAT group was about near death experience stuff, so I thought Iād ask Lilly what Heaven was like. She told me that the good things remain, it grows. I imagine like the flowers each Spring. The grow, the remain, become part of foreverā¦ā¦. They donāt flush down the whateverā¦ā¦ā¦
āthe second coming,ā that was put in an asylum for saying soā¦ā¦ā¦.
Another friend of mine, who is stuck in the system had called me up: āLilly committed suicide,ā and I said and thought: āSheās not dead, sheās just not in the mental health system anymore,ā and then, after that brief call, I took a wand I had, waved it in the air, and there was a holographic image of Lilly, and she wanted to know how I did that. I didnāt reply but with a dimple, and I demuredā¦..
How that works it ways through the consciousness. Sometimes I thought that she had somehow reanimated the body, after it was pronounced dead, and there was this wonderful community that allowed her to survive, like a conduit showing thereās another way. Consequently, sometimes I saw her there, when probably it was her spirit body, and didnāt find it necessary to separate that from the physical, so thought thatā¦ā¦.. Obviously it wasnāt necessary for me to see herā¦. But that doesnāt mean resurrections donāt occur, even on THIS earthā¦…
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I don’t even know what to say about this. Treatment for schizophrenia statistically in the long run makes things worse. Now they find it feasible to listen to some machine that is 90% of the time wrong so what is this going to do the whole epidemic they’ve been making, and thus more schizophrenics because of more treatment and then they’re going to get more drastic trying to prevent all of this by causing more of it? And then when they bleep in hearing voices this more accurate but does that say about society? Aren’t hearing voices something that goes on inside yourself or you’re trying to process something ,God forbid. No you can’t process anything you have to be told what stuff is for example one is supposed to believe all this and not look at how ridiculous this is all going on about 90% accuracy on a machine for a disease that basically is fictitional in ways, where the treatment causes more of the problem… Just add concepts such as drugs artificial intelligence and voila…… Oh this is feasible…. !? We’re making headway. There’s compelling evidence that……
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After reading the last comment of mine, it being posted I think I need to clean that up.
My point was that itās like a lobbyistās dream when the treatment they are promoting is hidden to be statistically in correlation with the spike of the problem. When you donāt tell people that the medications cause chemical imbalance, but tell them that they treat a chemical imbalance to make them keep taking the medication, then youāve hidden whatās really going on. And then they add on the untruth that itās like diabetes medications. Or any other medications that actually does treat scientifically a chemical imbalance rather than causing one to suppress āsymptoms,ā of whatās labeled as a psychiatric condition. If short term, the brain disabling affect of causing a chemical imbalance suppresses symptoms, this trumps the fact that in the long run, the chemical imbalance brought on by the medications makes everything worse. And then people become more and more paranoid of any symptoms of mental illness, because of the spike. In themselves and in others. The media chimes in and highlights bad cases, often people that already were treated in a way in correlation with the problem to say that that means more treatment rather than what science and statistics show. They fail to see the difference between what the medications cause and what life itself causes. And then people who at first had what life causes end up having what the medications cause, and so people think itās all part of the same ball game, when in reality without the medications added thereās more recovery of what life was causing. Statistics show that, but not if you say that people are discovering they have chemical imbalances to excuse giving them one with treatment, and lie to them otherwise they wonāt continue treatment.
And people are totally brainwashed, their first knee jerk reaction, if not enlightened, is to believe what correlates with the spike of the problem, what correlates with causing the paranoia they have, that this is how to get it to stop. And they think they have to implement that, police it, convince others, politically get the system to be able to force treat others.
And these violent acts of supposedly āuntreatedā mental health patients werenāt occurring BEFORE they were ātreatedā to any degree comparable to whatās also become a whole spike. Cat has nicely shared studies that prove correlation, simply with the medications. I donāt think that was there before the implementation, and YET itās mainly made out to be what would stop it, when thatās AGAIN the same series of 1) create short term suppression of symptoms 2) say itās treating a chemical imbalance while knowing itās doing the opposite 3) profit off of the phobia when things get worse, which correlates with the āmedicationsā not the ādisease.ā 4) fill corporate media with scare tactics, while suppressing those that are part of the statistics that recover without āmedicationsā while without the āmedsā thereās more recoveryā¦. 5) when putting a person on medications make sure it falls under medical confidentiality, so that one canāt really determine causality.
Can you imagine the same going on with say heart medications, or any other where thereās compelling evidence there could be a causal link, but the information is withheld. I actually a bit cringe using the word ācompellingā because how often this was used all the years the drug companies made out they would find proof thereās the chemical imbalance going on that their drugs fix, but they havenāt been able to. THAT they will look into and find nothing, but the other side they donāt even considerā¦…
We always have to hear stories of how this drug helped so and so, while at the same time, someone who got off of their drug often has to do it without telling the psychiatrist, or their family, and thus falls off of the radar. Also the whole spectrum of treatments that arenāt drug related, or arenāt given WITH drugs, or could be INSTEAD, this isnāt even really offered, so no one really knows what would have happened to the cherry picked minority where the drugs have helped, one doesnāt know if something else would have helped them, and then beyond that the drugs are still available. Which is another thing, we canāt speak the scientific truth or we are keeping people from their drugs, we are saying all drugs are bad, we are saying psychiatric drugs donāt work. No, we are honoring science. Logic would say there would be less, it also says there would be more recovery if different methods were available, certainly methods that correlate more with recovery in the long term, and then the drugs are still there. But one canāt say all of that without it being put forth that then we arenāt doing anything. A person is considered non compliant, or just not valued for their input when they havenāt gone the drug route. How many people, given how the system works, stopped taking the mediation without their psychiatrist knowing it, and THEN he found them showing signs of recovery? And then they got out of the system. Or they just stopped going to see the psychiatrist. Robert Whitaker just did an interview where Courteny Harding revealed that EXACTLY what I said was going on with many of those who had recovered and gone off of their meds, because they at first didnāt want to say they had, then showed them drawers full of medications they had never taken, but had picked up at the pharmacy because the ācommunityā would otherwise have problems. If she hadnāt been able to hire people who knew how to relate to those that had recovered, who made them feel comfortable enough to confide, without such sensitivity this information wouldnāt have turned up. How often is that going on where the information remains hidden?
Thatās one of the first things police ask you, because Iāve had them ask me, whether Iām taking āmedications.ā I lose track of how many times people just say: āheās crazy.ā People I donāt even know. Iām also not ever supposed to have recovered, you know, from things that happened decades ago. I was just riding my bike around, once, someplace I used to go, and I hear: āheās crazy!ā and then āHe saw usā¦ā¦.ā as if Iām some target for the same āentertainmentā people go to a spook house for. For the most part, they are quite totally out of their minds. I had a bad tooth infection, it actually became abscessed, and had been that way for a couple of years, I was stubborn about it being healed with alternative methods or a miracle. Found that colloidal silver kept it at bay, although it was holding me back. Then I found a healer lady Carol Everett Healing Sanctuary and following her instructions within 3 months it wasnāt holding me back anymore, although it showed up in x-rays for a couple of years still, but since is gone, which is supposedly impossible. But in the interim, I was going to a church, and was talking in store with the store keeper about Jesus. And I was of course rather animated about it. Iām not all that gun ho about Jesus, by the way, because there ARE others, and THEY have helped me more, but Jesus is part of it. But there are others who didnāt play media games becoming āthe saviorā and making alliances with powers in the Universe to resurrect them, as if escaping the situation and sharing miracles someplace else would be a failure, which it wouldnāt have been, and would express forgiveness in a higher way, because they heād still have the body nature gave him, and deal with the challenge of how it responds, and how it heals. Anyhow, I was going on about Jesus. A lady from church says to a child with her: āheās crazy.ā I just ignored it. You hear this so often itās not worth responding to. Then, during a church service, when I was going through stuff, but just myself an non violent, she gets up before the service is over and says, as if SHE knows and other should heed her: āHEāS CRAZY.ā I donāt know who this lady is at all, and then looking through the psychology department where my father taught and I got my bachelorās degree in music, sheās a psychology teacher there. In the meantime, Iāve found out stuff regarding psychology she wouldnāt learn academically, certainly didnāt who insight, the tooth has healedā¦ā¦
The wheat from the Chaffā¦ā¦ā¦.. And thereās A LOT of chaff, itās not really fair to compare that to wheatā¦ā¦. I donāt think wheat has such a problem, Butā¦. Why I would want to be part of such a āsocietyā¦ā¦.ā Or think that thereās nothing beyond it, that Iāve failed otherwiseā¦..
Birdsong, don’t worry about me getting lost in the fourth dimension, that’s impossible. That doesn’t happen there, no loss, no guilt, no loss in giving etc….. It would be more thinking I can get lost there that causes problems…..
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Oh birdsong you didn’t need to be clearer. If I had gone one step further it would have been thinking you meant that the drug companies should stop with their games, how to get things approved: what their intentions are. The point being one gets lost in such a swamp of convoluted….. When the lobbyist becomes the supposed authority, and what’s the difference? Is it ideology or a paycheck? Or is it called for me? And who is pulling the strings? Just like trying to talk with somebody who has been all indoctrinated with a whole repertoire of responses to insist that the planet is flat or that the sun revolves around the Earth. Why? Because then whatever outfit promotes such ideology can sell their stuff. Chemical imbalances that the treatment causes which is said to alleviate what it causes. And then you have more of the problem. And so when there’s statistics that shows that there’s rising problems and it’s become critical there’s an epidemic then we need more of what causes it: not only the chemical imbalance (that the drugs cause: the treatment not the supposed disease) also the paranoia in society. Make the whole populous alarmist about something and there you go: they’re paranoid fixated…. There’s a whole war going on against natural functions of the brain. Intelligence….. This society is so full of believing it needs to control people with fear whether it’s the penal system militaries the school system handing out grades religions talking about how money who knows what else. And it trains people to do such, you end up with a select group of people so sociopath that the only winning they see left is dowsing the population to be controlled by them whether it’s psychiatric drugs or other forms of mind control. Who is the guy that was actually on Charlie Rose going on about how you would stop homelessness if you put that population on psychiatric drugs or other such nonsense? There’s no reason they’re homeless you just dope them up and make them more docile and able to be mind controlled. They’re going to go in the factories feed consumerism and help destroy the rest of the planet with pollution etc. And the people pulling his strings are worse except that he thinks he needs them. That winning is ditching their own humanity by trying to destroy it in others. While this comment has the option to edit it I had to go look and that I guess was E Torrey Fuller promoting this idea that you could drug up all the homeless people and they’d be all functional. You know let’s just ignore the whole history of what such controlled substances have done and make up a new fantasy and people think oh yeah. I guess he wasn’t in Charlie Rose’s brain series but that’s also just a bunch of lobbyists actually. You get that all over the place in corporate media of course not just the mental health system what you hear about any topic regarding any of what people are supposed to be controlled with regarding fear. After a certain point you are just completely lied to basically and all they have to do is find some angle to make a mental construct to mislead you with……. Maybe I should listen to Charlie Rose and his brain series which came out before he was basically fired because of the me too movement but yeah so that’s still out there like it’s something. Maybe I should listen to it but I never watch the news either….so much stuff I just don’t even believe it. I guess if I watched Charlie Rose brain series I’d have to take out a notepad to start writing down all the convolute everything….. Because otherwise I probably would get totally lost trying to remember it all, it’s totally overwhelming. I mean you have to act like you’re taking a college class where you have to keep track of how much they’re lying to you and take the same kind of notes you would take to see what somebody is saying when it’s actually scientific but here you have to keep track of….. And it’s all hidden under we know we’re causing a chemical imbalance but if you don’t say it’s treating one then the people won’t take the medications, which only work in the short term that’s all you have long-term everything gets worse but you’re also ignoring along with every cause of chemical imbalance not treated it, and yeah there’s way more mental illness because we’re causing this chemical imbalance which we can’t tell people but that’s just that it is emerging in society it wasn’t being treated before although there is more disability…. Incredibly incoherent other than how it deceives people while everything is getting worse in the long run for them to believe that what caused the problem is going to fix it….. Then there’s more of the problem so you can cherry pick the minority that it is working for as if that’s going to fix it when it has caused the spike instead. Well people get more fearful and more moralistic…… I have to stop now in a minute I can’t edit anymore
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And thank YOU for writing this blog. Don’t stop. It’s good. And I’m sure, or know beyond needing to, that many of us are thankful you gave us a place where we could feel safe, and be safe to know our own stories……
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Birdsong, I’m glad you got off Welbutrin. I still am “recovering
from someone making out he’s an authority being a psychiatrist, comes in here, a blog where a lady very honestly details how she wanted to take her own life because of the side effects of Xanax, and got out of it despite a doctor that wouldn’t listen; and this other “authority” says we got it all wrong (SIC added by me):”Your [SIC] making a lot of assumptions. Simply put this lady was given Xanax instead of SSRI trials which was a mistake. Thatās the only conclusion you can make not what you are going on about”. THAT is a professional? He doesn’t see this is about Xanax toxicity that shouldn’t have happened, and the rest of it I already stated and would have to repeat, such as he doesn’t KNOW why she went to see a psychiatrist to begin with, who he WASN’T; so he determining whether or what type of drug she should have had is impossible. Unprofessional. Not what this blog is about. She has come back and pointed out there’s a whole community dealing with this problem YET, after years of knowing how dangerous this drug is, and it’s STILL handed out like candy: Benzo Buddies and BIC she mentioned as Internet sites. She also said that people go to a psychiatrist for a reason, and that being that she was under considerable stress, the psychiatrist posting here had already decided she was being treated for anxiety (no sir, the Xanax caused the extreme anxiety), doles out āinformationā regarding what supposedly would have helped for what he doesn’t know was going on and was wrong regarding. The only conclusions we could make (he says) was that she was supposed to be on treatment for something, that since he mentioned the treatment has had several severe warnings itself regarding, people have had to rebute or question data he shares, and why he shared them wasn’t why she [who wrote the blog and wasn’t asking for another diagnosis or prescription] went to a psychiatrist to begin with.
It’s quite predatory when people start talking about severely disturbing things to have someone pop up with answers, in this case inappropriately, have that not phase them, and then start sharing data that’s questionable or inaccurate regarding diagnosis they were never asked to make and even would one believe such doesn’t apply in this case, add catch phrases, deny science, dismiss certain brands of trials if they don’t show the data wanted, display personal attacks in the form of straw man arguments, saying both you and Steve (and probably more, who can keep track of it) said things you never did……..
Some of us are actually trying to keep track of the truth!
Just an example of how OVERLOADING such behavior is, when you wrote: “Stopping the crap was my idea.” in reading that at first, and the second time as well, I thought of course she’s (or heās) referring to what she thought that the psychiatrist would have EVER prescribed that, “Stopping the crap” having taken on a dual meaning and I went down a layer regarding what it could mean, that such disruptive stuff shouldn’t have been prescribed: that when he said, as you detail here :”But get this: the prescribing psychiatrist, who was very āwell-respectedā, NEVER MADE THE CONNECTION. He looked at me in amazement while saying, āYou are a different personā, which I was. He said heād never seen it happen to anyone before.” I thought, of course, she thought in general stop the crap, stop handing stuff out like that, but you meant it was YOUR idea to stop with the medications, and he had never seen that with anyone else. Added to that you had to take yourself off before telling him, and only then could he see. I mean, it would have been something to FIRST ask him, hear the negative response, then take yourself off, and then what? Which might not even have been safe given the situation, because you can see again how defensive such people can get, From this blog also.
And the poor dog that was put on antidepressants….the one a friend of mine couldn’t handle and brought back to the pound. I think she stated that he tried to bite her, or had (she was giving him a bath, which one can only wonder why she would even try that with a dog), but it was a really nice lady. Always took in underdogs, although this really was a dog, but on antidepressants she couldn’t deal with it. I have to say I felt it around me, from the other dimension, where everything can happen, and so much of it has, I just have to learn one can’t talk about such with too many people. Let alone too many psychiatrists. It’s the science of thought, and I mean science. And so I had a whole so many page of impossible stuff that has happened that I felt was too much (Elsa the lioness that appeared out of the fourth dimension when I was doing the yoga pose the tree at a bus stop, that no longer is there and informing a lady waiting where they moved it that they put up a fence and took the shelter away because maybe homeless people would hang out there and thus they moved the stop I realized later she was an angel among us, and then before they took the bus stop away from that area a whole flock of seagulls murmured perfectly each of them catching a bread pellet the whole flock staying in flight to catch each pellet one by one, whatās called Indian file, pellets I had made from bread that had been discarded and I kept for no reason until there was a reason or it happened, and where I had picked it up miles across the city ended up being a place I teleported away from having to cross there at a stoplight, when I stepped so carefully to avoid slipping on the ice that there was no fear to do something good or be chastised (I do use yaktrax and such now and did then mostly) ending up with one gentle step on the other side of the building, around the area where every time I needed to escape rationality of limitations Iād play with a Mozart aria and the singer who had reincarnated and died since again appeared out of nowhere like Elsa, and so many I lose track, the earth does have a history that speaks and the wave patterns shown in the double list experiment to become particles emerge in dreamtime to show life always had meaning, and then most recently along with the lady at the portal area where they moved the bus stop another being regarding what touches in with the fourth dimension when you let go of fear appearedā¦. And thus were pages I donāt know where they went, apparently I didnāt even save them, although I could keep adding to that supposed word salad foreverā¦…) thought the science of thoughtā¦.. THAT is something different than turning off the physical mechanism of thought called the brain, akin to turning off a warning signal, such as a smoke alarm or when the car says something etc. etc. when the warning is too much for whoever would have to deal with waking up instead, to thought.
(Elsa the lioness that appeared out of the fourth dimension
when I was doing the yoga pose
the tree
at a bus stop, that
no longer is there
and informing
a lady waiting where they moved it
that they put up a fence
and took the shelter away
because maybe homeless people would hang out there
and thus they moved the stop
I realized later she was an angel among us,
and then
before they took the bus stop away from that area
a whole flock of seagulls murmured
perfectly
each of them catching a bread pellet
the whole flock staying in flight
to catch each pellet
one by one,
whatās called Indian file,
pellets I had made
from bread that had been discarded
and I kept for
no reason
until there was a reason
or it happened, and
where I had picked it up
miles across the city
ended up being a place I teleported away
from having to cross there at a stoplight,
when I stepped
so carefully
to avoid
slipping on the ice
that there was no fear
to do something good
or be chastized
ending up
with one gentle step
on the other side of the building,
around the area where
every time I needed to escape rationality of limitations
I would play with a Mozart aria
and the singer
who had reincarnated and died since
again appeared
out of nowhere
like Elsa,
and so many
I lose track,
the earth
does have a history that speaks
and the wave patterns
shown in the double list experiment
to become particles
emerge in dreamtime
to show life always had meaning,
and then most recently
along with the lady
at the portal area
where they moved the bus stop
another being
regarding
what touches in with the fourth dimension
when you let go of fear appearedā¦.
And thus were pages
I donāt know where they went, apparently
I didnāt even save them, although
I could keep adding to this
supposed word salad
foreverā¦…)
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I wonder what the conclusion is regarding this statement:
“One hundred thirty-three people met their own needs (79%). They once had regressed to the point where they were unable to brush their teeth, comb their hair, or use a fork. Many even threw off their clothes, smeared feces on walls, and spoke animal gibberish. Now they were able to pay bills, cook, and clean, generally take care of themselves, and often others.”
That letting them out of the asylum, giving them the space to decide THEMSELVES whether the medications work (even though later it’s stated that many of them acted like they were still taking the meds, and only confided the truth later, while showing drawers full of pills they never had taken but picked up so the “community” wouldn’t freak out), not having to deal with sadistic psychiatrists and nurses (I’ve at a drop in center had the same experience, a bit, when you can’t actually state the truth regarding statistics or scientific truth regarding what happens off meds, here the psychiatrists seem to have gotten almost belligerent, if not, saying that instead those people had affective disorders when they recovered)… obviously ALL of that and more, but it’s quite dramatic when it seems that instead of helping them the Thorazine made them incapable of taking care of themselves, etc.
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registeredforthissite I really am amazed, in a good sense, that you can read such blogs, as Lieberman and the nurse, I avoid such places as I would avoid paralyses, actually. To read such stuff, and see how completely clueless and brainwashed some people can be….. it makes you [me, one] wonder whether one can do or say anything except pray for a miracle, not that that’s impossible but there I end up feeling helpless reading such…… Lieberman, who can’t even process scientific data, corrupts, true statistics and scientific results, then when what he advocates, enforces and prescribes, often AGAINST the will of the vulnerable people forced to adhere or be arrested and forced “treated,” when this correlates with the lack of recovery, the disability, the spike in the problem, the epidemic the TRUE results are; then he talks about them being infirm. WHO exactly is non reality based? Who is impossibly showing signs of having infirmity? Who is it no one can convince he’s unaware of what’s going on?
WELL! Looking at the twitter site regarding him, it seems, after getting numerous awards, all sorts of highly esteemed academic positions, he was outed as being quite racist, and then colleagues of him reported he had shown such signs the whole time. How much money was poured into this racist man, the whole time? Someone purporting that schizophrenia also is genetic? And then these “trials” showing that the newer drugs are so effective, where they took “schizophrenics” already addicted to antipsychotics, took half of them off, put them in the control group where they of course got withdrawal symptoms listed as showing signs of the disease instead, the non control group then getting another drug close enough to what they were addicted to that they didn’t get withdrawal symptoms listed as more not showing signs of the disease, and THAT was supposed to “prove” the drugs were effective. Beyond this, they didn’t note how many of those who were said to be helped by the newer drugs before the two year or so trial was over had gotten off of them, nor did they look at long term results for those who at first were said to have symptoms of the disease but later recovered without going back on said medications…..
That someone, racist the whole time, can put forth schizophrenia is genetic, get THAT much money with his cohorts to corrupt science, be able to advocate force treating people, have the legal profession and the police back this up…..
Years and years ago, there was an article from Satz in the BMJ saying that a psychiatric patient should be able to get a restraining order against their psychiatrist, given the proven damage such “treatments” cause. I starting responding to that article, and met a really nice person who had been treated such, and she was amazed at me that I could even read and respond to what such people, psychiatrists etc. were saying. She had gone into an asylum, regarding childhood sexual abuse, upon being advised to. The result was that she was so drugged up she became catatonic, and it would take her like a day to be able to decipher what such a statement by a psychiatrist or so was really saying. Then she tried to become a nurse, she AGAIN couldn’t express her experiences regarding antidepressants in class to become a nurse, or she was harassed and suppressed at every turn, she told me one person was so belligerent she was sure she would have physically assaulted her, was she allowed to…. This lady was the friend I made: https://www.amazon.com/Ranting-Out-Devil-Traumatization-Transformation/dp/1904697445 And then all over the place just being alive and relating to human beings rather than being indoctrinated by said media blip, simply talking about reality what I encounter. A lady who was promised a job here in my city from Ukraine, and then had two children, was a very good mother, but the paperwork for her status as well as the job didn’t fall through, she had to deal with that, take care of her children, and some social workers came along and noticed her house keeping didn’t compare with something you see on TV, or who knows what would have found approval, and of course this lady was affected by what happened to her, but still a very good mother, then the social workers proposed antidepressants, and the poor lady, whose mother was a nurse, said what she knew regarding such, given her mother knew the truth….. the social workers made a report exaggerating everything, and one can only question if this poor lady hadn’t said the truth regarding antidepressants whether there would have been a less discriminative response (I’ve encountered the same nonsense in this city from such maniacs, although they couldn’t really get to me, couldn’t have me committed etc. but EVERYTHING can be misinterpreted EVERYTHING, as soon as they think someone isn’t being compliant to their idea of a indoctrinated discriminatory evaluation) and the poor lady’s CHILDREN were taken away, put in foster care. The local media, the local newspaper also had a whole story about her, AGAIN exaggerating EVERYTHING. I never read it, but talked to someone who went on about it as if it was the truth. He also thinks anyone not inducted into his Jesus cult won’t get entrance to “Heaven” and that “God” gave “Israel” to the Jews, as part of “Christianity.” But there you go….. Another girl worker at a coffee house could tell me how she had to get out of her parent’s house because antidepressants they wouldn’t allow her to stop taking were making her violent, and they wouldn’t listen. And a guy, who I overheard making a sarcastic remark on the bus regarding his doctor recommending antidepressants, who knew the two kids in the Columbine shootings, the two boys came to play pool at his foster care facility that he had then in Colorado, shared how they were bullied at school by jocks, the principle said to go the sheriff, the sheriff said to go the principle, nothing was done, the ring leader of the two had had his medications changed to Luvox just before the shootings, had told his doctor that Luvox was making him have angry thoughts at everyone, his friends, parents, girlfriend, teachers, etc. and the doctor told him to just keep taking the drugs. And the drug companies bought out that case, so this was never reported properly. I have to stop now, being already overloaded, just being awake and alive and talking to people with my brain, senses and curiosity open, rather than brainwashed. How many friends I’ve seen totally disabled by these neuroleptic drugs. People whose subconscious, or whose nature, just couldn’t adapt to said programming by “society,” and thus like all of everything nature does, that’s part of evolution rather than conforming to society and not be labeled as disruptive, they had behaviors they didn’t understand and were met with such alarmist, discriminatory, phobic, paranoid responses by authorities, and then having had their natural responses repressed, natural responses they were made to be terrified of consequently, they were broken, lost the ability to challenge, defy or get away from what was imprisoning them. And YET, in ways they remained more functional than the society at large deciding they weren’t, there STILL remained something human that couldn’t be destroyed…..
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I’m also terribly sorry for your loss, and it breaks my heart every time I hear about such knowing the real stories are often buried, never make it into mainstream media. And we lose very human, very dear, very vulnerable people whose stories might change society were they listened to rather than suppressed……. Not only, as J Munro so aptly said, are there a whole cocktail of drugs, to such an extent that one doesn’t know what is doing what… then there’s more leading to such confusion: the diagnosis (there isn’t really a consistency regarding diagnosis among psychiatrist to warrant true science of objectivity, see Paula Caplan’s books: They Say You’re Crazy and her other works), change of drugs ( each one disables natural brain functions in a different way), the way they are advertised or promoted, and the kind of sly ways the drug companies make something seem viable using language that sounds scientific while hiding the truths ( for example what “someone” has tried here with the logic that if science or truth actually exposes what might make the drugs unfavorable that is stigma against the drugs, or dangerous that it might make people want to not take their drugs etc. and then long term consequences are ignored) thus truth is suppressed that would give informed consent, information that would give a person the ability to make decisions based on knowledge rather than advise, ideology and propaganda…… After listening to what such “sources” say, a person may not know what to think anymore, having been filled with all sorts of alarmist ideas regarding short term results, short term results that when seen as being advantageous statistically bring on more problems in the long run, or people simply have been spoon fed constructed ideas of cause and effect that aren’t really true but actually designed to get a person to believe they need the drugs, again for short term results while long term statistically things gets worse….(causing chemical imbalance by disabling normal functions in the brain which marginally suppresses symptoms is said to be treating a chemical imbalance.
While in reality this isn’t treating a chemical imbalance its causing one, and the long term problems statistically correlate with the chemical imbalances the drugs cause, not the disease, but that’s again made out to be the disease….) etc. etc. etc…..There’s a whole spike in the problem, that’s why there’s a book called Anatomy of an Epidemic by Whitaker, and his other books “Psychiatry under the Influence,” and “Mad in America.” People actually have been made to believe that what statistically correlates with the epidemic, with the spike, is necessary to stop it. And when there’s more of the problem, they think that what’s correlates with causing it is the solution. Whether that’s over drugging, or the implementation of drugs to begin with rather than other modalities of therapy…….
How are people influenced such?
People in general are so bombarded with sound bytes, with consumer oriented stimuli, with themselves being turned into commodities by others seeing how they can get them to be consumers that……can they really think anything through themselves anymore. Do they even feel safe trying, or will they look towards some fabricated source instead? Just go back a couple of hundred years ago to writing of say Dickens, or Edith Wharton, or before them Shakespeare, or later Emily Dickinson’s poems, and people had an ability to follow their own thoughts, or relate to someone creating a whole world from their experience, their mind, their brain, their memory, to relate to scenarios their own minds were creating at a level that now a days seems to be quite infiltrated with the vulnerabilities instilled in them with these “soundbytes.” Go to a Hollywood blockbuster, Watch the News, Who’s the latest pop star, What’s that new flavor or item at said big food chain… etc!
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I don’t know about Frances, there’s a whole expose regarding him here: https://www.madinamerica.com/2020/04/allen-frances-still-spinning-the-story/ Yes he does attend certain issues that should have been brought out before they started, but he does also seem to still be defending his idea of treatment against others, and then buffing up his brand against there’s rather than perspective in general that might have more to say regarding the whole matrix. I would say read Whitaker who blessed us with this site, or Joanna Moncrieff…..
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From Corey: “Are you suggesting people go off their antipsychotics? Because thatās dangerous especially if you donāt know them”
Corey, are you suggesting that when, after implimenting antipsychotics for schizophrenia, or for bipolar (when such medications didn’t exist beforehand), that even though since the advent of such medications, there are at least 10 times (I think maybe 20 times or more, but I’d have to look) more occurrences of such diseases, that anyone questioning whether they are effective is promoting something dangerous? That’s simple statistics. And then there’s the science of how such medications work in that they cause a chemical imbalance in order to disable normal brain functions, and thus the short term reductions of symptoms. But they cause chemical imbalance, which first the drug companies tried to make out came from the disease, but then had to retract. THAT, I find I have to add is simple science, so people KNOW, and can make their own decisions. When someone can’t supply scientific or statistical facts without being accused of saying something is bad, when they haven’t, this regarding how objective science points out something that should be known given informed consent, what is that?
Then you make a statement about whether someone knows another, regarding telling them to get off of their meds. Which also wasn’t suggested, only by you that that’s what was said. Steve simply supplied statistical truths. But yeah, someone presents scientific evidence which would give people perspective regarding whether antipsychotics are the right choice, if that evidence isn’t favorable, then that’s dangerous, regardless of what the evidence says? Added to this. This whole blog is regarding a lady who did better getting off of Xanax. You don’t know her. She hasn’t been to you for treatment. You don’t even know what she initially went to the psychiatrist for, and yet, devoid of all of that knowing, you have made numerous attempts acting as if you have objective knowledge how she should have been treated.
Also, what Steve pointed out regarding the Harrow study. It’s the most severe cases of “schizophrenia” that did the best when going off of the antipsychotics given long term results. And so that’s the OPPOSITE or selection bias. Which then are WHAT they are, long term results. It also happens that people live more than say two years, regarding whether long term, or rather longitudinal studies are useful studies to look at.
You disparage cohort studies, longitudinal studies, although this isn’t really founded. You mention whether there are long term studies that say taking no antipsychotics hasn’t been shown to help hearing voices. When there’s lack of ANY kind of long term study regarding ANYTHING determining that it isn’t effective, this DOES NOT MEAN it’s effective. EXCUSE ME, but that way you could implement anything regarding whether it’s effective or not, as long as one lacks a long term study that says it’s not effective….
You also went on regarding forums and details. When Harrow’s study showed how “schizophrenics” with the most severe ” cases,” and that wasn’t him making those diagnosis, when he shows they do better in the long run getting off of antipsychotics, this DOES NOT MEAN that you can determine the opposite, that then they weren’t severe cases, which IS what you are doing, DESPITE what the data shows. THAT regarding details. Or stating there’s no long term study saying to not apply said treatment to said condition, so that excuses the mainstream treatment. NO! It doesn’t. Would anyone actually look at what you stated there, they would see you are promoting the premise that as long as it hasn’t been proven that not applying said directive is better than the directive, then that excuses or condones the directive….. Those are details? We’ve done something, and no one proved whether doing nothing is better, so that’s being helpful. And then regarding statistics that show that “something” isn’t always such a good idea, that’s dangerous. This is OK as long as they haven’t proven that not implementing it is more helpful…..
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To begin with, you donāt KNOW what she went into treatment for, you donāt know this lady, she hasnāt been to you asking for ANY treatment or medications, this is HER blog post, not a diagnostic request. References in a blog post regarding suicidal thoughts because of Xanax, and then the mention that Xanax makes anxiety worse does not mean YOU have had ANY conversation with her and know why she was asking for treatment. Neither does her stating that anxiety is worsened with Xanax mean that why she was asking for treatment was because of anxiety. And then the add on, which you have posted numerous times stating āscienceā or āfacts.ā Because something is mainstream does not make it science. When āmedicationsā cause chemical imbalance in a brain disabling it from normal functions, and in a marginal way short term symptoms are suppressed although in the long term statistically things get worse, this isnāt science to say they are treating a chemical imbalance which was there in the first place, and that such medications are needed for life to treat this chemical imbalance. SCIENCE would be stating the medications cause chemical imbalance, NOT the disease, and that long term outcomes become worse. THAT also would be informed consent.
Many of us here are quite familiar with the way psychiatrists will change diagnosis, and then medications, often without even caring to take into consideration withdrawal periods, mostly without informed consent when medications are changed or initiated. YOU demonstrate this dangerous disabling habit by diagnosing multiple times someone you NEVER have even seen in a professional manner. Neither is there any proven consistency with diagnosis among psychiatrists enough that such diagnosis are objective (see They Say Youāre Crazy by Paula Caplan). Weāve seen that you read references to suicidal thoughts or anxiety caused by a drug and when itās clearly expressed that getting off of the drug healed those problems, you instead act as if she went into treatment because of what the drugs caused. You behave as if this lady has come to you for treatment diagnosis, know how she should be diagnosed or treated differently dismissing that it was the drug that caused the anxiety and the suicidal thoughts, even though when the drug was stopped those symptoms went away. What if your ādiagnosisā wouldnāt have worked, would you have changed the diagnosis and/or drugs again? Instead, this blog shows that getting off of a psychiatric drug, getting off of Xanax, healed her.
Would anyone actually READ the article, rather than with a clearly biased onset extracting a reference to thoughts, or a phrase there, taking it out of context, and making themselves out to be an authority regarding someone they havenāt had ANY professional interactions with, they would see that this lady is doing well after getting off of the drug hampering her. You display quite clearly and accurately exactly what Birdsong stated in a post days ago:
The only thing ācomplexed and nuancedā about psychiatry is the way it fools people into believing its ādiagnosesā represent discrete biological ādisordersā that its āmedicationsā can ātreatā.
And your reply being:
You are saying no psych meds work? Thatās laughable
You continue as if you have the ability to make diagnosis of someone you have never seen in a profession setting, who hasnāt gone to you for help, who got better getting away from any such intrusion into her life, and then present yet another diagnosis involving āmedicationā for someone who got better without any such, and again medications that above have been highly contradicted as being effective. You donāt know what she was initially being treated for, because sheās not, isnāt, wasnāt your patient. Neither can you decide what she should have, should be or would be treated for, as sheās not, isnāt wasnāt nor do I think ever will be your patient. She also got better getting away from the fashion of treatment you are promoting.
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I can’t start to express how heartbreaking all of this is. The amount of friends, people vulnerably human, that I have watched the psychiatric system and these “medications” turn into beggars terrified of their own humanity. Like the ones you see on the street corners getting a scrap here and there, when there are whole dumpsters and empty houses filled with what they would need, but it’s all locked up. Where does all this money go, for example that the insurance companies pay out, Government sponsored programs, grants, research, academics, donations to help “mental health,” etc. etc.!!!!!?
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I think actually the psychiatrist must also have a PHD. That involves a medical degree. How does this excuse him from not heeding the warnings, that I think would go beyond the warning labels on the drugs the patient gets because the patient was supposed to have read certain warning labels? And regarding what information is missing, we don’t know what that warning label was, at that time. Nor given what was shared, and what others that kept their eyes open for what these drugs do to others, does it seem the warnings would be adequate. For whatever reason you would start pondering whether someone had in-patient-treatment, or for what, what does this have to do with her blog post, other than you’re trying to color her as someone into substance abuse, despite all the warning signs the doctor should have seen? You also seem to be insinuating that she’s hiding something, when in reality you don’t know that, nor do we. Why do you introduce this? Many of us are quite aware of this comparison with psychiatry and street drugs, peer pressure, addiction etc. the difference here is that psychiatry legally prescribes these drugs. Regarding whether she, or ANYONE else, would be hiding something. I don’t really see that her having in-patient-treatment would lead towards substance abuse problems, she states clearly why she was on Xanax, and that it helped her, at first for a couple of years. Then the problems started, and thus the in-patient-treatment. But I don’t know, and I hadn’t tacked on: “she had in-patient-treatment” so was she into substance abuse? And is she or anyone else was, this doesn’t further point to unprofessional behavior from the psychiatrist? It’s also characteristic that psychiatry can hide how they made someone addicted using patient confidentiality as an excuse, and then hide side effects, and then you say information is missing, would someone not have shared they had substance abuse problems. I don’t see that such a suspicion would apply or is insightful given what the blogger has shared. Are there any other suspicions she had about her personal life, and why she would have asked or been advised to take Xanax? Should she not have allowed her boss to overwork her, or was she letting her children (which we don’t know whether she had, but yeah, information could be missing) stress her out too much, or is it the neighbor, or the neighbor’s children? Do you also think she’s getting money from some hidden outside source for simply sharing what this psychiatrist and the drug companies did to her? Again, that’s more the case with the drug companies where when the APA has a meeting normal rules of conflicts of interest have to be suspended. The blogger also HERSELF states she should have heeded earlier warnings: “But alongside the relief, I was also overwhelmed with deep sorrow for what I had endured, and profound regret for not heeding the warning signs sooner, particularly those from the staff at the well-respected facility that I went to. They urged me to get off Xanax but I didnāt listen. Essentially, the darker things got, the deeper my trust grew, trusting your opinion only.”
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To begin with, this blog post, this article, isn’t about antidepressants, it’s about what Xanax did to someone, something that went away after she STOPPED such “treatment.” Seems like someone then decided she was supposed to be on antidepressants instead, because she had suicidal thoughts, although they only emerged after being on Xanax. If someone is in an abusive relationship which depresses them and makes them suicidal, but gets out of it, should they also be told that they should have been in an antidepressant trial!? How is such a correlation made, that by a professional who can prescribe such, when really the statement regarding suicidality was made concerning another psychiatric drug, and went away after treatment with that drugs was stopped?
Those two graphs regarding antidepressant efficacy are only for 84 days. Not only does that not say anything about what happens or happened afterwards, which statistically correlates with more relapsing, but we would have to see more data regarding what actually went on in the trial those 84 days, before just believing these graphs, that in themselves don’t show much efficacy, if those are the true results.
There are quite a few standard methods that the odds have been skewed, or made more favorable to the non control group:
1) Someone in the control group (and I’m sorry, in past posts I got control and non control confused, it was confusing to me because it’s the control group that doesn’t get the treatment, although to me it seems that getting a treatment is being controlled, so I’m sorry for that, in prior posts. REALLY sorry. I had control and non control group mixed up), however with antidepressants trials it was standard that would anyone in the control group get better within the first week or so, they would be taken out of the trial. Not counted. The guise being that then they weren’t really depressed although someone in the non control getting better is left there. In other words, to actually validate that those in the non control were actually being treated in a fashion that helped them, and not having the placebo effect or simply having their depression go away the first week, you’d have to have duplicates of them, exact duplicates, and have the other in the control group. That seems a bit impossible, which to me says you need to leave those in the control group that that got better the first week there. They of course didn’t take those in the non control group that got better the first week out of the trial, let alone see if they had disruptive withdrawal symptoms would they have to or want to get off of the medications. I think this “washout” method rigs the odds in favor of the non control group. Then often enough, many people in the non control group had to leave the trials, because of side effects, that also wasn’t counted as a failure of the antidepressants, this to me AGAIN rigs the odds. Added to this often the non control group was given not just antidepressants, but an antidepressants and a sedative because of restlessness, meaning it wasn’t really a trail for antidepressants, it was for more than one drug. And then they had to start adding people that already were on psychiatric drugs to get the odds they wanted, which means people that already were used to, liked, or in order to get approval from those prescribing already found psychiatric drugs favorable. Psychiatric drugs being then medications that disable natural functions of the brain, which they all do. Regarding people already in such a habit. Then one can add that there were many many trials made, and only the ones that added up to any efficacy were reported, the rest dismissed, this seems a bit dishonest, as well.
And then we have what happened to those in the non control group that had to get off of the antidepressants after the trial was over, and their sometimes severe side effects not being reported, or at first not included in the trial data.
After ALL OF THAT it would indeed be beyond bleak would there not be any efficacy turning up, but what turns up still remains quite marginal.
To determine what those graphs really show, we would have to be given the information regarding what I listed above. All of it. That isn’t given…..
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I want to thank again Jackie Munro for her beautiful article. I notice that up above already there’s seems to be a parallel going on, which I’m hesitant to incite to more, Steve did such a good job responding, already.
A psychiatrist comes along, he says that you should have been put on an antidepressant trial, not Xanax, then goes on about it supposedly helping suicidal thoughts, which Steve then articulately supplies contradiction to, also pointed out the sources backing the psychiatrist’s statements don’t add up. Now, am I wrong, but it seems to me that this article is not about going to a psychiatrist regarding suicidal thoughts, it’s about Xanax, and anxiety, and the result of Xanax causing such thoughts, which otherwise weren’t there. That it’s about the sheer hopelessness of the insensitive, irresponsible and unprofessional behavior of a psychiatrist, who didn’t care to see what the result was, or even responsibly take in the warnings or advice regarding treatment warnings. Where does an article about how Xanax causing what it did, turns into what Xanax caused that wasn’t there before should have been what was prescribed. WHAT!? When someone finds a situation or drug causes them to become suicidal, they should have been on antidepressants, this then excuses the antidepressants, the situation and the other drug? Let’s forgo mentioning get out of the situation when another psychiatric drug becomes involved because you know the drugs are necessary. To not prescribe them makes no sense. No, you should have been given a prescription for what the other psychiatric drug caused, even though the symptom wasn’t there without it. If there are any possible side effects with psychiatric drugs, should we first start taking drugs for the side effects, just to make sure!? How would we know? What does this have to do with ADHD medications, and who needs them: the psychiatrist or the patient, or both for proper treatment? Will that help them to follow orders, to avoid non compliance for either patient or psychiatrist, because such well thought out preventative measures are a bit difficult to follow to make sense out of? Is there any other drug that should be involved? Is there anyone who can predetermine yet to emerge side effects that need to be prevented before they emerge, and is there a problem getting funding for research are new medications determined to be necessary, or is that a bit too much regarding preventative or diagnostic measures?
And antidepressants help dogs with depression. That’s stated as fact. Someone with the same name stated, only then just a first one. Is this depression just a problem around humans? Are just the humans seeing this as depression or have the dogs supplied objective evaluations regarding their own depression, and how did they do this themselves? Or are dogs only able to express themselves objectively when humans do it for them? Should the humans also be taking some sort of psychiatric help given a situation which could be quite distressing should side effects show up? Should these side effects be thwarted with another prescription before turning up? What about dogs in the wild? Are they also suffering because of loss of territory and global warming? Currently only 4% of mammals are wild, the rest being domesticated, this might also be quite bleak for the wild ones. Would antidepressants help them as well? The wild ones? Or should this be administered already because the depression might emerge from further loss of territory or global warming, or that there are even less wild dogs compared to domesticated ones (same as with suicidal thoughts emerging with Xanax should have been instead given antidepressants would they emerge although they didn’t without them)?
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Jackie, thank you for your articulate, and lively vivacious article. I’m so glad that not only you somehow got out of this insult to a circus pushing you on all sides, stimulating you into what you thought you couldn’t deal with anymore, poking at you, not listening to your own input, response, or experience, then poking you more, then…..
God bless it that you got out of such a dizzy dizzy situation.
I had a psychiatrist, friend of my mother, way back before she diagnosed me, she prescribed pain medications when I had contusions from a car accident on my right side. All that the problem was, was I would have needed to wait for a month or so, and I could then sit again and play the Chopin etudes at the piano. The pain medications taught me to sit wrong, although I could practice a Beethoven concerto, Chopin etudes required more of the body, and years passed, I didn’t know I had learned to do this, all sorts of problems I wasn’t aware of, or didn’t turn up till later. I have to say, maybe you’ve experience that as well, that it is rather interesting to find solutions, which I’ve done on my own, teaching the muscles to go back into alignment, although I would have wanted to avoid all of such, and often wish it just would go away, albeit this being more than half a lifetime later, and Chopin also has been waiting, who I already knew through a medium, and just have to laugh when I had a sitting at a piano with him, and he didn’t even mention I added a few extra spices to what’s called the Winter Wind Etude, or was I just doing that now, without knowing it at first I had wanted to start playing where these spices would end up, when sitting with him at a piano, he coming through a medium, and when I hesitated, only thinking that chord, he asked me why I’d stopped, and the medium’s hand came to the other side of the piano, the eyes closed wouldn’t have seen any of the notes, and played the one correct chord, which he had done earlier regarding another passage, pointing out if I played a supposedly slight variation in a phrase the wrong way, being that I would play it as it is written the other time, I’d hear why it’s that way, rather than this stupid question of mine, whether it was like Polish grammar which is quite complex, has seven cases someone told me. Chopin also did the same regarding part of a Mozart sonata. There supposedly was a compositional error, if you misinterpreted the voicing, since the hands couldn’t play all the notes,what’s called parallel fifths, he again didn’t correct me, but said: “maybe you were thinking this,” and then played how you could fix what wasn’t wrong, only if you misinterpreted it. REALLY COOL GUY!…… But I was diagnosed also, more than half a lifetime ago, shortly within a year or so after that, because stuff was going on that I didn’t have an outlet to talk about, and the balance between the left brain (it was seriously stuff that one can’t talk about, that people find crazy, I knew that so and so would be in my life, although there was no way I could know that rationally, then he showed up, and I couldn’t deal with it, something jarred, whether it was I just needed space for myself or…..)….. the balance between the lobes of the brain regarding stuff that doesn’t come really from physical perception, and the whole ability the brain has for imagination and dreams, and everything transcending such…… while people were making me out to be crazy, and this psychiatrist believed stuff my parents told her, as if something wasn’t going on when all they would have had to do is ask the neighbor lady to find it it was……. and then the world’s way or interpreting stuff that it doesn’t solve, but the spiritual energies can, although that’s ALSO made out to be “crazy.” Even the people saying the represented the spiritual energies, even while AGAIN “professional” got in the way, terribly. I remember having to talk to this psychiatrist, actually a very nice lady and was open to me dealing with the problem without “medications,” even what art might have to do with it, but yet simply thinking she would be someone that would listen, and the anxiety that brought, and then trying even harder to communicate and becoming more and more fragmented disassociating from their inabilities. THEIR disabilities…. I didn’t go for psychiatric drugs, instead coffee and cigarettes, which will put you in quite a state, and I over did it, but it was such a crutch……. although i was free to stop, and no one was prescribing all of that. And then on disability I could allow art, dreams, imagination to be what perhaps they are meant to be, without having to meet deadlines……..
I’m right at the age where I have to rebalance the muscles, to prevent becoming decrepit in my old age. And no, it’s not a good idea to take pain medications while the muscles are still healing, so that you can do things that the pain would tell you not to do. I finally know enough to understand the emotional language, the tendencies or push to escape when I could just practice non attachment or meditate, the whole IMMENSE perspective beyond just being normal, the adventure you incur when you’ve experience so much beyond the norm that……..somehow I can balance that out now…. I have to meditate every day for at least an hour. Something brought up by a healer (Carol Everett Healing Sanctuary), that to get the energy for a healing that also wasn’t supposed to happen given physical limitations, she said to do this, and then also gave me a jump start for such………. But one does learn what’s there……
The brain is an amazing vehicle, so is the body, so is the soul, and so is what transcends that into forever and remains……
Thank you for your effervescent blog, article, story, piece of art you shared here…… I’m glad you made it. Be happy!
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Sir, try not to fool people into making out what was said was something else. What was said was “it fools people into believing its ādiagnosesā represent discrete biological ādisordersā that its āmedicationsā can ātreatā. There is TO DATE no real proof that ANY psychiatric medications treat a proven chemical imbalance. That would be a biological disorder. Now, I’m sure you can cherry pick this or that article, but in reality even the drug companies quite awhile gave up on coming forth with what for years they said was “making headway” in regards that their was “compelling evidence,” that they would find proof of this chemical imbalance they said they were treating, but in reality haven’t substantiated what they said they would find. Yes, psychiatric drugs work by disabling natural functions of the brain, and one can scientifically detail how this works, but that does not mean they are treating a verifiable or as was said “discrete” biological disorder.
Mr. Corey Yilmaz, MD. Someone makes a statement backed up by science, regarding psychiatric drugs. Uses accurate terminology. Refers to what would be a biological disorder. You make out she said something she didn’t and then say it’s “laughable.” Is such how you treat your patients who make statement that science can back up, but contradict what you would promote?
I would suggest you try not to insult people who challenge you to respond in a professional way, which so far you haven’t.
And then there’s informed consent.
If then psychiatric drugs statistically, while causing chemical imbalance (let’s just skip informed consent for this argument, not that it should be skipped, but let’s just skip it to make a point), that by disabling natural function of the brain statistically correlate with a lessening of mental illnesses, that would be something, but in reality there’s a spike not only in mental illnesses but in disability. Any reasonable person, with perspective, when ANYONE asks for such a drug, or before recommending such, would explain that it doesn’t treat a known chemical imbalance, that it doesn’t treat a known biological disease, that it causes a chemical imbalance, but disabling natural functions of the brain seems to help for some people. THAT at least should be said. That would be professional and involve informed consent. Anyone who would care to look at science and statistics further, and be responsible might add that since the advent of these medications there’s a spike in mental illness and disability. That also is long term and in general, NOT cherry picking short term results, and a certain populace for whom these drugs seems to work, while the rest no longer take part in such “treatment.” And that it might be better to try first alternative methods, or therapy, or exercise, or meditation, or walks in nature, or art or taking a look at one’s life to see what might be causing the emotion or responses one is trying to get rid of. Or simply waiting and not fighting with the emotion, not trying to push it away, but finding what helps it to go away. All of that has better long term results.
That you are so sure that what statistics show is in correlation with a spike, is treating an actual biological disease, that when someone simply states one can’t really back this up, there isn’t real grounded science to support this, and so states: “it fools people into believing its ādiagnosesā represent discrete biological ādisordersā that its āmedicationsā can ātreatā. You call this laughable, what does this say about your willingness to look at science and statistics?
That’s in general how people behave when someone dares to say something against the programming of what’s made out to be an authority. That’s also what often is most hurtful to people struggling with a mental illness, that they haven’t been able to, or allowed to, or even get in touch with what they really feel, think, or have experienced. And then they hear such responses, as their behavior is “laughable” or they are just “wrong” or “sick.”
Please try to be professional as in: “first, do no harm…..”
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Well, I had a neighbor, across the hall, and he had rescued a puppy from, what he told me, having all of his siblings murdered, drowned. He told me that those people had been arrested, and the one puppy, that I knew of, had been rescued. He then told me that the dog was put on antidepressants. What we, and who was left in the apartment building experienced, was that as soon as this man left each day, or each morning, the puppy would howl so loud the whole block would hear it, and it scratched so much at the door that it scratched part of the wood, and the carpet loose. Another friend of mine had rescued a dog from the shelter that was already on antidepressants, and couldn’t handle the dog at all, and had to return it. She was so loving of animals, a cat she had adopted she put an extra door for it in her door, would build special housing etc. This lady was loving to any stray, but that one dog…… I did a google search for: “My dog on antidepressants was a nightmare” and you get hits like “antidepressant poisoning in dogs” or “antidepressant toxicity in dogs” or another hit explaining it should only be for short term.
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I’ve read the whole article linked, and then went to a link from the article, regarding that Kennedy wants to send people to farms to work against their will, when on antidepressants, yet one only has to read the link and it says the opposite:
“Iām going to create these wellness farms where they can go to get off of illegal drugs, off of opiates, but also illegal drugs, other psychiatric drugs, if they want to, to get off of SSRIs, to get off of benzos, to get off of Adderall, and to spend time as much time as they needāthree or four years if they need itāto learn to get reparented, to reconnect with communities.”
Making it available for people, who want to get off of antidepressants or other drugs, that such a resource exists, when they want to, this is not at all sending people to force work on farms. It’s more partisan mud slinging to not see that. And no, me saying that doesn’t mean I’m on whatever side, either.
It says “if they want to” which anyone can read. When someone proposes programs for people, if they want to, to get off of antidepressants, this is giving people free choice. In fact the whole article linked https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2024/07/rfk-jr-wants-to-send-people-on-antidepressants-to-government-wellness-farms/ runs about as rampant as saying that any sort of recovery program, would someone want to get off of a medication, that that is something else than it is. The Quakers had such programs and they worked in a way that there was way more recovery than exists now. PERIOD. FULL. STOP. Would anyone read what the articles say, Kennedy is only making such a program available for those who want to get off of antidepressants.
It’s also completely not true that people on this site who have written articles haven’t themselves experienced mental illness, which “Claire” describes as “neurodiverse.” Neither is it true that they haven’t had the more “severe” conditions. Again, one only has to actually read the many articles on this site. In fact, what’s descriptive regarding this site is that it allows people to say things they couldn’t say, so often, to their psychiatrist or even their MD, without being labeled as non compliant, and then forced on treatment. This site also allows people to actually share what was healing for them, even after it wasn’t allowed as a potential. Just read the comments and the articles on this site. It’s also quite descriptive that Claire fails to mention that the majority of what one reads regarding mental illness, from those promoting mainstream drugging: not only is the great majority of it from people who don’t have a psychiatric label, haven’t been through treatment themselves, but it’s mostly those same people (psychiatrists, psychiatric nurses, the drug companies, social workers, academicians, media outlets) that wouldn’t allow a patient to even state the truth regarding whether the treatment is working for them and back it up with scientific and statistical data; that would force, or promote forcing someone who simply states scientific or statistical facts against a treatment on that treatment. That would force a person on treatments that scientifically correlate with causing a chemical imbalance, treatments are said to be treating one when in reality causing one. Nor acknowledge the scientific and statistical data, as well as suppress the stories of those who have found a different modality of healing. Now whose voice isn’t being heard? And you only have to read the articles here, or the comments, and see that there indeed are a whole collection of people who have had serious mental illness diagnosis and symptoms that found healing their own way. Of course there are researchers and others. Of course, and then the whole community of people who have found help in such a fashion, the people that mainstream psychiatry not only refused to listen to, said were non compliant and then forced on treatments that didn’t work for them, and then recovered on their own, these people supposedly don’t exist on this site. People with every bit as severe symptoms, that go for, in whatever way they could find, a treatment that’s not via psychiatric drugs, it is not true that they don’t exist. It’s not true that they ā people who have had as serious symptoms as anyone else regarding whatās called mental illness ā don’t have their voice on this site. Nor is it true that because they healed without or by getting off of psychiatric drugs, that their symptoms weren’t as bad. Neither is it true that Robert Whitaker says that people’s conditions come from their drugs, he simply states evidence that the drugs, when looked at statistically given long term effects, correlate with less recovery. He and many other people also do enough research and have enough perspective to be able to point out when whatās called a psychiatric symptom may be coming from side effects or withdrawal symptoms or from the initial starting period of psychiatric drugs. And no, to label all of that as stating that what was there in the first place, and that people on this site who have found alternative methods that healed them share, that he is saying what they healed when the drugs didnāt help them, that it comes from the drugs, thatās so out of place, despite it dismissing other peopleās experiences (they supposedly had nothing going on with them then, you can just dismiss their story), one can only wonder what is being disabled that the scientific data consistently proves is being disabled regarding natural brain functions, despite itās supposed to be treating a chemical imbalance rather than causing one, when it is causing one. That’s also why a program, for people that want to get off of their antidepressants, would be helpful. To turn that into hysterics, that once again Kennedy said something he didn’t, propped up by partisan politics, well, there you go again. NOTHING is that one sided.
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I’ve heard or rather read, that RFK supposedly said people would be forced into farms rather than get antidepressants!? I really wonder what that’s about. What I think is that he simply repeated what history has shown, and also healing homes of Finland, and that, people that would be committed to an asylum, when they are simply surrounded by a healthy life, an asylum, as the Quakers did, where the idea of asylums come from, and that there was recovery. That’s recovery, which then is lacking in present treatment. I think he simply stated THAT, regarding people that would be committed to an asylum. He stated what correlates with recovery for those that would be committed. I don’t think he anywhere said anyone wanting antidepressants should be locked up in a farm. But oh, someone says where recovery happens despite the biochemical model of mental illness that correlates with less recovery, even less recovery than no treatment, then suddenly he’s saying anyone that wants antidepressants would be locked up in a farm. No, he was stating something regarding recovery that’s proven science and history, regarding those that are committed to an asylum, nothing regarding someone wanting antidepressants or not. And I think he also was simply talking about informed consent. And no, wanting informed consent, when people can then still make their own choice regarding whether they go on antidepressants, this in now way turns into him saying anyone that wants antidepressants is forced to work on a farm. I think he stated how the older Quaker method worked, and homes of Finland worked for those that are committed, and there’s more recovery.
Then, supposedly he said false things regarding proof of correlation with school shootings and antidepressants. And he only said regarding the tests that aren’t happening because of information withheld through medical confidentiality regarding mass shooters, that if that information was there, you might be able to further state correlation with the two. And when he says this, pointing out what would have to happen to determine correlation, he’s either supposedly saying there is correlation, which he didn’t, while in reality he’s only stating there’s enough to warrant looking whether there is correlation but information withheld because of confidentiality would have to be looked at, which isn’t done but he and MANY people feel should be. And then it’s constantly said that there’s no proven correlation, but it’s not acknowledged that to prove there ISN’T correlation you’d have to have the information that’s withheld. “We can’t tell you whether school shooters were on antidepressants because that information is withheld because of patient confidentiality,” does not prove there’s no correlation.
Then it’s stated how many people are on whatever, as if this proves whatever works. Then sugar would be a miracle drug in the US given the amount of people saying they need it, or keeping up the habit, along with a whole list of other stuff, like artificial coloring, MSG, preservatives, what have you……anything addictive or mainstream with enough consumer consumption suddenly enhances their life and works. The statistics however show otherwise, and that’s also the case with psychiatric drugs.
No, suppressing symptoms with medications that cause chemical imbalance, while mostly not even giving informed consent, and saying that a brain chemically imbalanced by drugs interfering with natural functions of the brain this treats what it causes, that isn’t treating a chemical imbalance, it’s causing one. THAT is science. To say so many people are on such, does NOT make it science. Added that there’s more disability and mental illness ADDS to the fact that this doesn’t prove it’s science at work healing, it rather proves the opposite is going on. And then there’s the history of making out the disease causes what in reality the drugs do. That the disease causes a chemical imbalance, rather than the drugs scientifically have been proven to, but the disease hasn’t. First the drug companies stating this, AFTER people have been “medicated” and the drugs clearly correlate with the chemical imbalance. Then it has to be proven false, then they have to retract that. Happened with schizophrenia, that supposedly it’s too much dopamine, but then this turned up because of the medications, clearly, after this was really looked at scientifically. Or antidepressants are because of serotonin deficiency, when AGAIN, in reality, that shows up after someone is on antidepressants long enough that the brain starts making less of it. Simple TRUE science. You inhibit serotonin re-uptake and there’s more of it lounging around, and the brain after awhile starts making less. You put another something in the receptors for dopamine and the dopamine doesn’t attach, so the brain starts making more BECAUSE the dopamine isn’t doing what it’s there for, because of the medications, but this is said to be what the disease does. NO! In BOTH cases it’s the drugs. They still haven’t proven any chemical imbalance they say they are treating, although all their medications scientifically cause chemical imbalance. But again, when anyone states these truths, this is “unscientific.” Why is that? Because now 10 percent of people, actually more, in the US are on such drugs. This supposedly proves they need it, and it works. Then AGAIN one is supposed to dismiss science, this time statistics. There isn’t less mental illness or disability, there’s MORE of it, WHEN there’s that many people in such “treatments.”
And then we hear once again that in other countries there aren’t that many mass shootings. It’s not mentioned that probably at least the antidepressant use is 1/3rd of what it is in the US. It’s not mentioned that in those countries the media isn’t bombarded or bombarding people regularly with stories regarding mass shootings. It’s not mentioned that those countries probably aren’t like the US, having a military budget that is more than how many other countries or what sort of population on the planet together and the population might be a bit less inundated with excuses for why weapons are salvation. Someplace RFK might start with, rather than going straight to antidepressants, but that doesn’t mean antidepressants don’t leave a person more programmable to such influences, and there’s enough hinting that there might be such a correlation, but again information is withheld because of medical confidentiality. But he can’t even say that it would be prudent to allow that information to be opened up, to see if there’s correlation. He can’t say that without people saying he says there’s correlation when he hasn’t said so, only that you can’t say that BECAUSE of the data that’s kept hidden. It’s not possible to see whether there’s correlation when what would need to be allowed as data to determine such isn’t allowed.
And then there’s correlation that’s there but is simply dismissed.
In “developing” countries where they don’t have money for all of these psychiatric “medications” and recovery is much greater, then when there is correlation this is dismissed why? Is that AGAIN because it’s another country? Still it remains in THIS country that there is, in the long run, more recovery without such drugs, or when a person gets off of them. Again science is denied…….
I DO think RFK might help himself and the country, that if it’s proven there’s a link between antidepressants and school shootings, or other forms of violence beyond what’s already in the black box warning label, despite the drug companies trying to prevent that, he might look at why people in this country are vulnerable to thinking such is a solution; that even if there does show to be a correlation, it might point out to something else needs to be attended to. Or he might just start there, and start seeing the many ways violence is excused as just or necessary, or defense, when it never really ends up being such in the long run………
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This isnāt for everyone to read. I know there are those on this site who have had RSA abuse, and are still healing from it. I had it in a past incarnation, so Iām just sharing what hope is for othersā¦..
I have to add another post, Barbara Rogers mentioned how there were hundreds of cases, and the same thing happened with the therapist that helped Brice Taylor, mentioned in Brice Taylorās book, that she wouldnāt believe at first such was going on that the satanic scare said wasnāt for real, but there were AGAIN what she says 60 other such cases: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wu-SZY5bVr8&t=143s
Itās not like this isnāt part of history, as well. I wonāt go into not being able to read Virginia Woolfās the waves, because, well I used to konk out before the end, like my record player before it resonated with, up above is mentionedā¦ā¦ I saw her there in a crowd having to watch something awful, like they had back then. Then I put the book down, although I since have finished the wonderful novel, the rhythm of lifeā¦.. A whole āfestivalā with food celebration ,dancing, all sorts of colors, decorations, and there I, an autistic boy, not knowing how to respond to life, was put to death. Someone I know now, but got away from for now, first ties me up, stakes me to the ground, and these maniac people acting like warriors start using knives to pull apart, rip off my flesh like birds of prey. And I had already bowed down from making ANY sense out of it, so I didnāt really feel a thing, much, other than feeling sorry for such sad behavior, actually. How could I have āmemoriesā of this āfestivalā like coming from on high, like I was flying in? So maybe we can both survive THAT now. Or another incarnations I shy from going on about itās so ridiculous. Itās like if you have any natural talent in certain areas that happen by themselves, beyond social whateversā¦ā¦ And then returning in another incarnation with the same guy that I was put to death for, that we both were talented what we could do with our bodies, naturally, and having his child (although I was a woman then, we had both been boys or young men before), I remember something ELSE in that incarnation from some Hollywood star now I donāt want to mentionā¦..
Anyhow, regarding the satanic scare, this was going on in the dark ages, in Europe. I was a gypsy boy, a roma gypsy, people who are STILL horribly persecuted, like the natives from the US, and who police kill more than the Black victims, often during āwellnessā checks. I wouldnāt have remembered this but for AGAIN paranoid people, when I was trying to take a yoga class, which I mentioned in another post, years ago, ALSO involving āHollywoodā but thatās not in my post listings, because of hacking attempts on this site, and all such was lost. Just simply trying to share something regarding my love for yoga, to someone who was a teacher, turns out was a social worker, so brainwashed, that there seemed to be no end to what sheād make up regarding irrational paranoia towards me, what MANY people have encountered and not survived thanks to the mental health system. VERY akin to what went on with colonialism. THOSE people are uncivilizedā¦.. She had a friend, that when I simply was myself, sharing what truly was a love for yoga, which I STILL retain regarding any such teachings (feldenkrais, meditation, tai chi which I havenāt gotten into enough yet, etc.) but then I supposedly according to the friend was in the teacherās personal space (turns out SHE was in mine, making sometimes quite illegal presumptions, as if she could read my thoughts, as when I didnāt go to class because I couldnāt get there, instead of that I couldnāt get there, she supposedly knew I was resentful of a supposed disagreement we had (and no one sees what kind of nonsense such is, as if she knew why I didnāt show up, and when I WAS there then again she felt free to misinterpret EVERYTHING, Iām supposedly dangerously in love with her which I wasnāt, itās quite insulting that I would be in love with such a warped barby doll figure, plus Iām gay; or that Iām a dangerous psychotic, when in reality SHE is the one with hostile non-reality-based paranoia) You can look her up Kimberly Slendak-Baker, in Pawpaw Michigan she had an office as a social worker I donāt know her friendās name. That social worker, there also was past lifetime abuse, I found out, I was again an orphan by the mediteranean, first I saw myself knocked out by her, physically assaulted, then I was being sexually abused by her, who was then āhim,ā which was so bizarre, as if that was some ākindnessā of how one treats an orphan, or exploits them, that you only wonder where the flip such ideas came from. So when their paranoia (both of them) as the other remains is said to hit the proverbial fan, I had to start wondering what the FLIP that was all about. What does this have to do with past incarnations? So I saw myself as this young orphan, this Roma Gypsy, and my mother had been murdered. I didnāt know even what the congealed blood was on her body, which must have become cold. Somehow, that night a spirit could wrap me up in a bear skin coat, and I slept, or was it a human? My mother was just gone, although I know who that is now, and also was Giorgione the painter, the father already murdered also has true spiritual connection in the arts, since. It seems. For awhile, a cook in the castle liked to have me around. I havenāt seen him for awhile, actually. A bus driver now. But then this āfriendā of the social worker came along, some violent āsoldierā like person and shoed me out of the castle. This one https://www.tripadvisor.com/Attraction_Review-g1156166-d3172515-Reviews-Baba_Vida_Fortress-Vidin_Vidin_Province.html I as a gypsy was of course āevilā vermin, and unwanted. According to him, this time around her, as this person was female, now, when I actually expressed my love for yoga to a yoga teacher I was in her personal space? Iām shoed out of the castle. It was cold in the forest, and then I found my way to another city, but there I got picked up by someone who was want to pick up such orphans, then handing the over to what he didnāt know was a cult. I remember ending up in a carriage with someone who was supposed to help me, but something was terribly wrong. Like when you gasp quietly inside yourself, feeling something thatās simply shockingā¦.. And my memory went from being in that carriage to being in a closet of a room with a priest who I was meant to give fellatio to. I was a boy of say 6 or 7? 8? I donāt know exactly how they ātrainedā me, whow ould want to know? But this still goes on in the mind control cults the satanic scare says doesnāt exist. Of all places, I ran into this āpriestā again at a party of some politician who now is mayor. The āpriestā from back then was sitting like he was hiding on a bench of an alcove down steps leading to Lake Michigan. Then ended up being still such an āauthorityā being the pastor of a church I had a good friend going to. Of all things he mentioned something that he thought might be politically incorrect with the situation there, given the other people at the party. Then went on about going to give a sermon someplace else, as if it was who knows what glory he was nervous about. When my friend who went to his church died, he caused trouble, I heard, that he was so controlling over what would happen at her funeral, as if he knew what should be said, or represented, saying this to a family member of hers, which I donāt know why I remark about THAT, because that family member had my friend who passed away commited, AGAIN being a social worker with such knee jerk responses. The father of both of them, also member of the church died, and the minister gave a sermon regarding of all things I think tornado storms, likening that this deceased man was a member of his church, that he would know what to turn to when there was warning, the whole glory of what the church was made out to beakin to knowing what to do when thereās a tornado warning, where to turn. I have to add that this poor man who passed away, when I shared people that actually had the same stuff going on that Jesus had, miracles that were made out to be against who knows what (reality, a gift from the devil, who knows whatā¦. Against the FDA!?), then this man who was said to know, posthumously, what to do when there were tornado warnings, told me: āI guess Iām just not interested in thatā¦.ā WHAT is the church supposed to be about? The minister definitely wasnāt a child molester anymore, nor was the politician who had a party at his nice cottage at the lake, but the minister was still quite impressionable, and of course at such a party, I would hear: āthatās the guy thatās crazy.ā I donāt know how the cult, back then, got someone to think being given oral stimulant by a child was akin to wearing after shave, which is how I associated such, that the man then thought he was given some special privileges or cosmetic enhancement. You can only imagine what kind of weird ideas were going on at all levels, what children were supposed to be, what being tended to is, what special treatment or privileges areā¦. How does someone get that messed up? Is it the penal system that glorifies trauma as a means of mind control, and having traumatized a child through mind control to be used such is some wonder!? Like a trained animal that does tricks for special people? I remember some stuff still going on in such cults reported widely among survivors. They would bury me alive, but being just a boy, I could transport my spirit out of there, walk in the essence air or wind has upon the grasses outside, more real than this ābodyā with its limitations. Or they would threaten to throw me out a window, forcefully sticking my head out of it, while holding it would I not be controlled by who knows what, or force me to eat mice droppings. They did have ways of putting you in restraints so you couldnāt move, for VERY long times, I think, I find myself just now remembering, because I still find myself letting go of even THAT feeling when Iām free like I was to walk upon the air that blesses the grasses on top of where I was āburied alive.ā Just stuff Iām forgiving. And then there was a woman I somehow charmed in that city. She liked me, and they got concerned, so they had me murdered in a inquisition like setting. They SURE had ways or torturing people. I still have to laugh a bit being in some device where spring sent prods flying at your face. I seriously had to laugh that people would waste their time thinking this did who knows what. I supposed I ended up dead, and my body end up who knows where, but I donāt knowā¦…I donāt think I was gone, I might have returned just like Tina Turner and quite another fewā¦ā¦
How did I run into this lady that I had charmed, and who was quite a few times very kind to me. Again there was a bit of memory that hadnāt hooked up yet. Years ago, when a group of Russian people came to theCollege I was studying Russian at as a minor, the morning before, not having slept at all, I think, maybe talking to my friend all night, a good friend, she asked me to bring something to an office at the school, and I ran into a precognitive dream. I had had a dream where Mikhail Barishnikov was playing walking up some stairs, tired with a line of tension in the back of his neck, a red line, perhaps what Iām still letting go of myself, he was going upstairs, where one would assumingly sleep, then he had turned into a woman, and was playing the guitar. A secretary at the college office had EXACTLY the same shirt on as in the dream. I actually asked her: āare you Misha?ā and then shared the dream. Of ALL things I later did run into Barishnikov himself. I had gone to A Course in Miracles group where we are supposed to read from this book all the time, in such a situation (something Iāve shared with Jesus himself to give him an escape, sorryā¦ā¦ time changes) I started perverting a sentence beyond what it was meant to mean. And then mentioned to another guy that the next miracle would be that the book sprouts arms and legs and comes to life. If thatās what I said. Anyhow I said it would come to life. During my youth, we often saw Barishnikov play the nutcracker in Tchaikovskyās ballet on television. Which is akin to something coming to life, which the nutcracker does in Claraās dream. I actually then, ran into this woman, who had become āBarishnikovā in the dream. The one with the colored blouse Barishnikov was a bit annoying, he right away propositioned me, actually, and I didnāt respond. But I had run into this woman a few times, even when I was quite disturbed she still was very empathic. She volunteered at a soup kitchen, and once noticed I just missed a bus, and told me how she felt bad for me, but I had caught a bus right after that. We did have a conversation regarding that soup kitchen, how she had to work the whole day. I STILL actually wasnāt recognizing the woman from a dream, actually. Then, still not knowing itās the same woman, I recognized her as the woman I had charmed, back there in Bulgaria, and walked up to her, in the store Iāve mentioned in the other post. I mentioned the history, of how I had charmed her, and then wasā¦.you-know-what, but ofcourse Iām still alive, and its OK, and she smiled quite unrestrainedly, what others might not like it not being restrained in any way, and said: āI remember you quite wellā¦ā¦.ā It doesnāt stop there, because talked to Tchaivkosky through a medium, who was in spirit the whole time, about what was reported as his suicide, and he was good about it saying Iād make it, asking me whether the medium wasnāt like everyone else, since I had become too attached to such, and would have to get away from it, then he told me I would make it, and the medium woke up with tears on his face, not knowing why. Turns out shortly thereafter a letter from the Tsar was found saying that if he didnāt do himself in, heād be exposed. Tchaivkosky had told me that the last two years of his life were very difficult, that someone made a sarcastic remarks, and that was the straw that broke the camelās back. But since, as with Virginia Woolf, I did find heād returned. I would say reincarnated, but being born into a body seems a bit bleak, as if its not the other way around, we add to Heaven, allowing what remains a home thereā¦…Heās an upcoming violinist, also into chemistry, and when I mentioned Monatomic Gold, within a short time Nicolas Flamel became an angela mong us who helped me let go of stuff, even Jesus wasnāt able to, to be completely honest. And with Flamel there was no problemā¦ā¦. Monoatomic Gold being the philosopherās stone.
Did I resurrect as the pied piper of Hamelin, and help a bunch of children out of the same situation I ended up in? I had to look also, that when Mark Twain wrote Huckleberry Finn, whether I was in spirit, Vaslav Nijinsky not having been born yet, because: A man who I identified as an angel among us, because he had that kind of happiness, offered me overalls, stating it was a gift from a friend. Or just they were a gift. I didnāt take the overalls, but having noticed his happiness, found he perfectly fits this guy https://marktwainstudies.com/john-t-lewis-mark-twain-a-friendship/ and then ran into him three times (along with Mark Twain on the bus, the same expression he had when he had to describe how Huck had learned the multiplication table up to 6 times 7 is 35), the second time I ran into John actually mentioning I had run into a friend of Mark Twainās where he had offered me the overalls. The third time there was another āclueā from Heaven, but involving a book I wrote, a novel, not the only suchā¦ā¦. I only recently noticed I had taken on an accent that would be Huckās, just after I was offered the overalls. Now I didnāt manifest out of the ethers or the wave particle duality to be Huck, in ways, thatās a gift from Heaven, but I donāt know what happened after this incident, this supposed tragedy in Bulgariaā¦ā¦ I think itās possible that what remained more real than the physical, that it might have come back, but I donāt knowā¦ā¦. It happensā¦…Iām still shaking off the fettersā¦ā¦ I simply decided to talk a walk today, a quiet calm gentle one, feel my head resting on my shoulders, as those muscles are healingā¦ā¦ But I had to laugh that as I was walking, and there were dogs in a house along the way, dogs that couldnāt āseeā me with their physical eyes, but noticed they were barking exactly to the rhythm of my gaitā¦ā¦. Once while talking to a piano teacher who remained a good friend of mine, a mouse came out and was just staring at me, I mentioned this to the teacher, who replied that she was really scared of mice. Other such with different animalsā¦.. and children I can relate to at a level where they donāt have to forget that Heaven existsā¦ā¦.which is where they come from and pure creativity. And love, to use a severely abused word. In fact EVERYTHING we think otherwiseā¦ā¦.how could that be what gave us a soul?
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More what a good therapist might understand is related via empathyā¦.. rather than looking for victim, perpetrator, but simply empathy, which shows thereās another way, and also would heal the perpetratorā¦. And if they werenāt SO FIXATED on āknowingā whatās real and what isnāt, or needing to be an authority regarding who is a victim in order to get points for being anyoneās savior, than not only would empathy be empathy, and the whole way it manifests find the possibility of being understood, even when itās going on with someone else, or in general when hidden and it approached the function of fiction where it CAN be exposed, then time might not have to repeat itself in order to do what itās there for to begin withā¦ā¦.
I havenāt even looked at this site since Saturday, or late Sunday when the stars were outā¦..
Thereās another thing going on with coffee, because after running into the actress that played Mrs. Dalloway, the character that originally was Septimus Smith and her together, but Virginia Woolf split up, I ran into Virginia Woolf herself, or rather himself.
Bare with me, it does have to do with image games, and what you get for being a victim and the whole incredibly deception and mind game going onā¦.
I had already written a composition inspired by her, called mediant. And sorry I should record that soon, havenāt done it. But in ācomposingā or in reality stepping into this space inspired by Virginia Woolf, knowing that she had committed suicide by loading the pockets of a coat with stones then stepping into a river, because she had started hearing voices again and DID NOT want to end up being institutionalized again, one can only surmise what kind of torture went on there. There are enough other people, like Josef Hassid, you can deduce what goes on thereā¦ā¦ But in writing this composition, and thinking about a coat, I decided I should buy a coat, a suite coat, a nice comfortable one: one for her that she could wear, and find comfort. Like what one wears in an easy chair, so she HAD someplace to go. This I had done, enough years ago that shortly after running into Vanessa, I had already started going regularly to a store where there was a worker who first inspired me by the essence of purity I noticed in him. I have to add, although I first skipped adding this, as if reason had to bend over to appease indoctrination, but between writing the composition and when I ran into Vanessa Redgrave who played Mrs. Dalloway, there was enough time for Virginia to emerge in the form she did at a particular store. I heard him talking once, with others, and the sound of his voice made me smile so well, being that there was a matrix of poetry around it, a labyrinth, what I might call a matrix, although that word seems a bit harsh, itās more like what vines do, like words climbing up a trellis to have enough color and dance of movement to create wonder and delight, which they did, or butterflies creating the colorā¦. Seriously, sounds like Iām a bit exaggerating, but Iām not. It made me smile to hear it. I did notice that, perhaps for want of such truth finding resonance, he would have been drinking something with red food coloring, and this made him a bit hyper and anxious, maybe not aware that going along with such social de terminates as whatever pop was that red, and apparently readily part of āsocietyā might be affecting him.. It was funny to see him being one of the greeters who was supposed to check whether someone was shoplifting, but the expression he would pull to show that he was āSUPPOSEDā to be suspicious was quite an example of actingā¦ā¦ I think I had already seen that he was Virginia, and then I ended up at a redbox machine (a company since gone belly up because of streaming services), that had videos you could get for not too much, and he [Virginia] was mopping the floor there. I didnāt say anything, but he was sensitive enough to know I was going through something, I think the mental health system AT THAT POINT would have said I was psychotic, but that certainly is a bit more than they know, have bargained for, or even can diagnose when I go further here. He says: āYouāre nastyā¦…f@#$(k meā¦..ā You know what the @#$( fill in. Which to see the words there sounds like something completely else given the kindness in his words, and the empathy. I didnāt go for that, but said: āI need a cup of coffee,ā and went and got one, to find him still there, mopping. And then, having created the scene, I saidā
āI have your suite, not one that you can [I donāt remember whether I said āwouldā or āfor pilingā but you get the drift] pile stones in to commit suicide,ā follows a pause to come in at a higher phrase note, ābut a comfortable oneā¦..ā I probably took a breath, or soā¦.āItās a musical composition ,actuallyā¦.ā and I might have mentioned it was at home in my closetā¦.
Time passed, I came out of what would be called āpsychoticā and with the same tone pure as any child that Stradivari once got out of my mouth, when I thought I was being completely incoherent, or part of myself did that since Iāve learned to correct from thinking āthatās crazyā¦.ā albeit thatās another story, from a different time, but when he [Virginia] was at the self checkout, taking care if something wasnāt working or someone needed help, I said: āI think youāre Virginia Woolf.ā In JUST such a tone. And then he said, firmly and decisively, but again much softer than the kind of assault such words make people think is going on: āTHAT WON!ā
The kind of nonsense ensued that goes on ANYWHERE where thereās this indoctrinated idea of someone is crazy or not, even when another greeter said: āVirginia was in loveā¦.ā the same greeter would belt out āGET OUT!ā as if who knows what else was going on that never was. Because heās supposed to think so, and gets points for it. I noticed Virginia at one point had died his hair blond, and was playing with some friends close to I think a bus shelter or terminal, maybe with a car, noticed deers the same, when they were trying to get out of a situation, with fences around, I mentioned to him that I had seen him with blond hair and he looked like the younger Mrs. Dalloway (thatās another actress in the movie directed by Marleen Gorris the younger of the same character), and he replied: āthat was funā¦.ā Only a few chance encounters since, perfect with timeās resonance, him looking like a character in a book I wrote, or when he came into a bus I was in I noticed both of us had the same expression of thought that entail the structural (again I donāt want to use this word, because itās not something contrived, itās what happens more by itself), [structural] change of one character becoming two. And when I ran into the actress that played Mrs. Dalloway the elder, I recognized her from a precognitive dream, where she was a sylph like image, being seemingly see through and up in the air above me as I exited a movie theater, where the exit ramp doubles parallel to itself so the incline this involves doesnāt double the length of the ramp. Two parts next to each other, two characters, and I didnāt want to use the bathroom and the concert hall that had such a ramp because there were too many people, and then going to the elevator I ran into the other character [Mrs. Dalloway, Vanessa], she asked me whether I was taking the elevator, I replied I wasnāt supposed to recognize her in the dream (thatās part of the plot, Had Septimus known there was such compassion as with Mrs. Dalloway things might have been different for him, but the whole interaction expressesā¦.. what it expresses). And she told me that she also wished all the people werenāt thereā¦ā¦ Her sister had just passed awayā¦ā¦ā¦.
I wonāt even right now go into the extremely abusive stuff going on, as if there was ANYTHING else going on when I frequented this store, or their alarmist nonsense, which ended up being so extreme itās like the wheat from the chaff in the whole city, would anyone believe such an insult to malarky. Or nonsense, orā¦ā¦..
There was another boy whose soul I touched in with, involving thought, that was Alan Turingā¦.. at the same store. Regardless, neither are working there anymoreā¦ā¦ I think they ended up somewhere where they could breathe a bit betterā¦ā¦.
To make it short, at the self checkout, I had started wondering whether there was monitoring going on, just playing, or whoever I wonāt mention because it gets too complicated looking for a playmate for her son who already is put too much into a monarchal role (when he isnāt even the crown prince, who is now King had a child before this but is still hidden because of image games look up Simon Charles Dorante Day) that in having to have an image he would have difficulty just being himself or humanā¦ā¦ no, there wasnāt such going on, although I had included Chekhov to be along with this ācrown princeā who isnāt really (we havenāt had such ridiculous royal struggles in history yet, as to who is supposed to get the āthroneā), and did run into him, I think. But THAT portal was in a different areaā¦.. his mother came from an East Block country and started a really nice store. I wondered whether there was some basement where this goes on from, had asked and no, thereās only a tunnel, which I decided might be sort of a bomb shelter, just because thatās where theyād be, not some need, really. Just of there was one, it would be there, for whatever reason beyond bombs. But as dadaism goes, I decided to act this out and simply ASK them whether they had a bomb shelter, knowing they didnāt, but heh, this takes whatās otherwise just a non reality based scenario, and might give it further resonance. So, I asked: āDo you have a bomb shelter?ā the lady who looked like she SERIOUSLY needed to brush her teeth some more, they seemed rather yellow from the coating, she laughed, and said she didnāt know, and then I said: āAnd Prince William and Chekhov arenāt down thereā¦..ā then sat down on a bench and carefully gently pried apart layers of the paper knapkins or towels one gets all over the place, which I donāt throw away but keep, putting them in my pockets, usually have such is there a spill going on anywhere, and itās handy; but then I found out there are separate layers to them, a whole motet of layers, and then I liked to draw on them, then dip them in wax, and thought they looked not too much but enough like parchmentā¦.. These people (one male one female) in uniforms show up, asking me: āDID YOU ASK IF THEY HAD A BOMB SHELTERā¦.?ā and they wanted to know why I had such a question, plus it had been remarked that I had been acting weird (I didnāt make any remark about me being weird, or that most people actually probably knew me from having seen me on TV as part of ongoing protests against wars, I only know this because a number of my sisterās friends said that had seen me on the news often, I otherwise wouldnāt have known. I didnāt feel like telling them it was a dadaist exercise, and I knew they didnāt have a bomb shelter, so I said something about there might be some need (wasnāt even at that point using that for any sarcastic insinuations), I just thought they might have thought that was too out there, weird, although I might be wrong one can only hope. Then along with that they said they were concerned about mass shootings, and I AGAIN withheld saying anything, such as: āwell, you MIGHT want to stop escorting people to asylums, where they get doped up with what statistically correlates with such, if you are worried, or rather āconcernedāā which AGAIN I might be wrong about whether I could share it, might still try to bring out such somewhere, but one can so easily be found non-compliant; and I HAVE been asked as soon as someone says they think Iām whatever, whether Iām taking āmedications,ā and then they ask whether Iām having ātherapy,ā and MIND YOU this was involving someone, MORE THAN ONCE, thinking something was going on that wasnāt, and even if itās clear that THAT person reporting you as such is having non reality based thoughts, Iām still asked such questions. NUMEROUS TIMES! Along with these sherif people numerous times asking me the same question: āare you leaving now?ā or when simply asking for some ID, and I went quite briskly for my satchel [ was a bit toked up on coffee] having made some movement that caused him to say that was for his own protection. AGAIN as if something was going on that wasnātā¦ā¦ Well, after that, itās all over the city, added other stuff thatās taken out of context when the other person or people or institution was more inappropriate, or non reality based, all because thereās this label of āmental illnessā on my side. The Wheat from the Chaffā¦ā¦.. And whatās going on where itās hiddenā¦..[?] That ALSO was at the same brand of store as the other, but in a different location, sort of the other side of the city.
When I ran into Mrs. Dalloway in a dream Vanessa was playing that part, but I was Vaslav Nijinsky, and now AGAIN would I go into what happens when I as a simple human being going through what Nijinsky was diagnosed with, and bringing it into reality, where life brings times for me to see thereās such resources as Mrs. Dalloway, as Vanessa Redgrave, who supposedly could have made it ābiggerā did she not make a few points when she won an oscar she wasnāt supposed to, that Iā¦ā¦ on the āotherā side I encounter such ābiggerā winnings from celebrity actors playing image games, after simply talking about the idea I was āNijinsky,ā with people while living in an area where thereās this place called Eastown in Grand Rapids, Grand Rapids having this duality that it might be the biggest small town on the planet, and thus there arenāt any paparazzi, thus these commodities for their image can come here and haul out what they wouldnāt in other places, or itās a place where even I can be free of ā because of THEIR behavior ā ending up turned into something thrown into the media commodities arena, and not have enough life to actually exist to experience what I needed to to heal, would I end up in the tabloids, like any number of people, say Amanda Bynes for example, and then encountering TWO top billed actors, having heard I talked about being Nijinsky, and BOTH of them, who wouldnāt really break the mold they allow themselves to be stuffed into as media commodities enough to be free of image and thus might actually THEMSELVES experience what they were acting outā¦ā¦ I mean Johnny Depp having been De Marcos, and feeling free too act like Iām part of all of that, as if one just takes a pill in the asylum, and bingo he remembers who he is, or Benny and Joon as if ANYONE is given a space for themselves like Joon was, or Brad Pitt in 12 monkeys glorifying supposedly rebellious behavior, thinking heās cute acting out Akithesia or Tardive Dyskinesia, as if itās cute, and thereās are MORE of such movies where someone acts out what the drugs do, as if this is āmental illnessā sat for example Katie Holmes acting out what neuroleptics do to make someone docile, with the voice of a drugged up child in āTouched with Fireā āJohnny Depp and āBrad Pitt,ā BOTH of them making intimate sexual advances towards me, but not actually taking care to reach out to me as a human being, and Johnny Depp acting like some sexual favor is akin to what he gets at his birthday party, because heās a good boyā¦ā¦.BOTH of them all over the media because of the problems they caused with their x-wives where their x-wives are terribly demonized. In both cases I report here, I have to say itās my opinion, from what Iāve read regarding such, otherwise you get you know what. Angelina Jolie wanted to get the report that was made after the plane incident, and filed for this using a name that shouldnāt have caused it to come out (I think Jane Doe), and then of course it comes out, and sheās made out to be some home wrecking demon trying to ruin Pittās life. The children completely free on their own to make choices, and they donāt want to have anything or much to do with Pitt, and itās HER fault AGAIN. She clearly has to say what went on in the plane because the report gets out, which she didnāt want to, to begin with, and AGAIN sheās something evil, because she says how it was perceived by her and the children, although Pitt thought it was just some drunken binge, like when he and George Clooney used to see how mad they could get each other, and Pitt joked that when Clooney had gotten someone who checks luggage at an airport by looking through it in Israel to start taking apart his suite case, and say in an interview there would have been āblowsā involved, as if this is funny, or āfight clubā or mentioning that he had a ānormalā childhood and beat up on his younger brotherā¦ā¦ā¦. Angelina DOES NOT want to have to sign a NDA, because she feels what happened shouldnāt be suppressed, and even when Pitt could have bought her share of his āambitionsā from her without such an NDA he wonāt and so because it also involves Alcohol again, she has enough of it, and sells it just to not have to deal with all of that. As if sheās supposed to suppress what the children also clearly remember and made them decide to themselves to detach from Pitt. AGAIN sheās made out to be something evil. And Amber Heard. One only has to have listened to the trial to see how the multitudes understand NOTHING about real trauma, because the jury [American] JUDGED her on it, as if she wasnāt supposed to respond like someone does that really HAS BEEN traumatized. Or how Johnny thought she was having some affair with everyone she worked with, would stalk her at the movie sets, called the studio, went on and on about her having something with Frank so and so, canāt remember all of this stuff, WHY should we have to [oh yes, James Frank, had to ask google what went with Amber Heard and āFrankā]; and none of that was going on at all, in the meantime, as was his habit, now not only with illicit substances (his amazing ācaretakersā would say that cocaine made him calm, or get him whatever he said he wanted), but with prescribed, over the counter, not over the counter like caffeine and alcohol, who knows what else (probably LOUD JARRING music as if that challenges authority rather than calming down to be yourself), where he even stated he turned into a āmad injun,ā (A guy that filmed a movie as Tonto, because Tonto was so bullied, then characterizes Indians as such) not sleeping a whole night or multiple nights. Well, when under such influences, when the short term memory is knocked out with all of that, multiple ways, and there still is the need the brain has for dreams, to work things out such, and the substances knocking out REM dreaming where otherwise you have sleep paralyses and a person can dream without acting such out, Johnny instead acts out his nightmares, or whatever he conjures up as going on to go with the feelings he canāt process from his youth, from Hollywood and what heās supposed to be that can only make someone feel discarded as human. Any unprocessed notion of whatās going on, the feeling of abandonment from his youth when Amber or anyone else isnāt what his desperation thinks it needs to escape from it, he assaults Amber NUMEROUS times, doesnāt even remember what he was doing because of the controlled substances knocking out his memory, added to this the image heās supposed to maintain to be āresponsibleā jarring against what he did but would have to take some steps OUTSIDE of such image games to remember, or even conceive of (no, I couldnāt have done that, Iām āJohnny Deppā bullying someoneā¦.noā, when poor Amber saw it all and was hiding it from the media because he promised to change: something they both called the monster. He was found to have assaulted her how many times which was decided by a legal system in England from people who KNOW what trauma is (rather than a jury from the one area Johnnyās lawyers saw would be most favorable, who couldnāt have already have had other notions, couldnāt have been free of the media circus, and certainly werenāt routined in knowing how someone with trauma responds to such retraumatizing, and no magic pill with your āangelā Marlon Brandon administering it in a movie changes all of that from Johnny Depp in a state he canāt even remember without for him too much trouble, while he had been assaulting what he thinks is some evil against him, but only what he projects on poor Amber. In reality what could happen to anyone given perspective on Johnnyās life, and Amber understood originally, then even in the second trial said she still loved Johnny. So, where is the courage? Is this what Hollywood can do to someone, or being a Disney hype (I donāt know AGAIN at this point WHY I am supposed to even know WHO these people are, I had to look up Don Juan De you-know-what to get Brandon to come out of my memory: by the way Amber Heard actually, according to me, as art goes, is Jane Austen, and Angelina Jolie is Emily Dickinsonās sister, which is stuff I can remember, and want to). No some jury of people wouldnāt know how someone who has really been traumatized would respond, the same as any schoolyard, the same probably at how many churches?, at political meetings etc. and how such a person responds (not that the English system is perfect, or any other is), but that was because JOHNNY sued a tabloid, and Amber HAD TO start telling the facts, stuff that before that she had been hiding from the media. Amber is supposedly ruining his life, when without THAT court case he would have retained the Magic Beasts role, his career wouldnāt have faltered in other areas, and then he turns it into what he HIMSELF recently called a soap opera, which maybe is an insult to suchā¦ā¦ What does this say about media image games? What does this say about Hollywood or Disney when someone ruins their ācareerā trying to maintain an image they use as a commodity rather than being honest regarding what someone else was forgiving him about, stuff that would happen to ANYONE that had the kind of youth Johnny Depp did, and then looked for escape in such image, or the controlled substances he did, neither of them working other thanā¦ā¦ I mean its like he would need a partner that goes along with his āHerculeanā drug habits and image, then resorts to the same without seeing what it does to either, and would they kill each other or end up like I wouldnāt know what to call such āpowersā¦..ā I donāt think Bonny and Clyde fit, actuallyā¦..
And now as false memories go, and Hollywood and the image game, thereās also the case of Woody Allen that never happened, not even from the legal system is there such a āverdictā, and what the multitudes believe, same as Johnny Deppās insult to a circus or a soup opera, or even a sitcomā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦
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Marey OMalleyā¦. “I think the influence of the legal profession who has no knowledge base at all for understanding human development and psychology has created some harm with all of this as well.”
The legal system does have a slight nuance allowing for understanding, sometimes, regarding….. what I try to explain……
I perhaps should state that I go into the nuance here regarding how whatās deemed a mental illness, to give some perspective on all sides, and it might seem to others it goes into left field, or off topic, but in reality it doesnāt, nor is it off regarding the initial postās topic, you just have to read to the endā¦ā¦. And I know thereās stuff difficult to believe, but youāre not going to convince my Iām crazy in that Iām non reality based have I actually experienced them, nor am I going to believe such miracles go flying into oblivion when others say or think or try to convince anyone they arenāt real. Itās a good thing they donāt, and it doesnāt scare me, no matter what others say to the contrary regarding their realityā¦ā¦.
Since the legal profession seems to usually believe that further traumatizing someone (put them in jail, fine them, set up territorial disputes) who is expressing trauma, one could argue, that then further trauma is made out to be the solution to their behavior. But then you do have a little nuance when “mental illness” is involved, which actually is said can be caused by trauma, marginally, or more than that hopefully acknowledged, but then you have the added traumatizing of forcing “treatments” that in reality cause further trauma, again. Every psychiatric drug causes chemical imbalance, causes biological disease. In disabling natural brain functions it disables marginally and temporarily the expression of symptoms (along with a whole lot more, but people are so alarmist about symptoms they see this as being a profit, as do the drug companies)…. and so you have this interim where they say a chemical imbalance is being treated qualifying this because a real chemical imbalance (that usually isn’t really shared with informed consent) has suppressed symptoms, then after that interim everything statistically gets worse, although again you have those in a statistical minority that get points from the mental health system as being “functional” in a society that does all of that.
But yeah, you do have a slight nuance when someone is deemed mentally ill, as if not everyone has experienced trauma, and acknowledging that as an influence isn’t a challenge everyone has in understanding behavior, forgiving people, and moving away from what causes trauma, rather than investing in it more in order for population control.
Now I, after experiencing stuff that I wasn’t supposed to know beforehand, not knowing how to interpret that and needing someone to talk to about that rather than it being dismissed as nonsense, and the whole aftermath (I also had severe trauma from controlling parents, controlling school system, controlling social situations, bullying, ridiculing etc. etc.)…… I ended up being diagnosed as “schizo-effective” after getting slightly paranoid regarding stuff that WAS going on, but I couldn’t talk about, my mother actually having talked to a psychiatrist friend of hers, as if what was going on that I talked about beforehand never had been (all she had to do is talk to the neighbor lady, to find out, EITHER ONE)…. But then comes the nuance, you see. Being trained as a musician, already (not that that’s necessary, it’s innate to the human condition, you can learn all over the place, or simply from being alive), I had that outlet, and instead of it becoming entertainment, I could experience how music is healing, all the arts actually, more than religion, I might say, because you’re born with the response, no one has to tell you what to believe in or what not to believe in, or what “Heaven” is etc. Science, in observing natural harmony, might also be the same, actually. I was put on disability, and so didnāt have to deal with deadline, etc. only the drive of wanting to accomplish what I was told I had in me, already. Also by quite a few spirits via a trance medium. Before diagnosis, I then had been with a trance medium, and talked with Mozart’s mother so many times, the last time I talked with her, and she brought up a time in the Renaissance when she was my wife, and after this supposed drill where she as a spirit through a medium is supposed to ask me what questions I have, and I completely couldn’t think of a thing, only shrugging my shoulders at the pretense of the drill (spirits also are just friends, not some resource for special guidance etc.) and when she just started talking about a memory, I actually wondered whether she had flipped her lid, since I had now gone to the at least THIRD medium, or fourth, (fifth sixth!? or more depending on what you call communication through a medium 7th at least, but that includes what any simple child can do given they are fresh from “Heaven”). OK THAT’S enough musical chairs, and the first response of mine was: “What did you say?” as if I couldn’t hear her, which I had no problem with, I just thought it was…….. since THEN, we haven’t gone through another person so much, actually, maybe I hear her better that way, no more static from any else’s “ego” perhaps..ā¦ That did actually emerge, hearing her better, although again it would be āSchizoā¦.ā
OK! So there is a nuance there allowing me to relate to art at a whole other level, because I couldn’t function with “schizo-effective” to work with this system. And really to say I couldn’t have, isn’t some false interpretation to avoid working, because I worked INCREDIBLY HARD, more than others that were functional actually. AT times, knowing I could lose it or go and “compose” and just let music be there, giving my responses, my brain, my fingers, ears, eyes, everything something to do, rather than feeling I had nothing to do, was just……. dysfunctional, dismissed, marginalized, disenfranchised…… I went to what surrounded me with a white light (I think it’s sometimes called the white light of Christ, but whatever…… it’s light from forever, all the colors come together to make white, all the chakras, all the colors that even science measures with spectroscopy to see light years away what stars and planet and asteroids are made of, what all comes together to make this white light, not something that can be extinguished, only you have to go there, with your mind, you can’t just flip a switch, it’s more the eternal sun reflected in the Universe, in the stars,transcending time and space…… I could be working on a piece of music, then step away from the computer, midikeyboard, synth etc. be making a meal, and then I would hear the same music having taken a new turn, but that would be the same as there’s no difference between inner and outer voices as in “schizophrenia” only the inner voices are more real THERE. I wouldn’t have to “compose” just listen, and not dismiss this, and THERE the “composition” comes from…… YEARS of hard work, having music to share, the best musicians in my area from the local orchestra playing my music, but then I was still……. No, the button to turn me on and be “entertaining” just wasn’t…….. or what they waned to exploit, or turn into their way of how it should be whether my behavior or the musicā¦ā¦…the ego to make certain judgments of how to whatever……
I avoided therapy, my parents were both psychologists, both have passed on beautifully, my mother gave therapy, helped women with sexual abuse extensively…. But so many friends of mine I had seen torn apart by the mental health system and “therapy.” People I could talk to, who had also the same opening, portal, doorway, avenue to something beyond, and could respond without the judgement most of the rest of society had, weren’t even able to NAVIGATE through such to be “functional” at times, or ever……… And then I watched them torn apart by the system, forced on treatments that abused them terribly, and when they couldn’t rebel without the fear of more of it, or knowing that was the result, might switch into compromising themselves. VERY DISTURBING AND TRIGGERING STUFF TO WATCH! Also this friend I shared above in another post……. So I never had therapy, avoided it while on SSI, would go in and out of what might be called psychotic episodes in order to integrate what now has been. Even just coffee drinking, not only does it interfere with Gaba that makes you tired, but increases serotonin and dopamine, and then recently I find out there’s often mold in coffee. Even going off of it, although I only drank decaf, would I be doing this the whole day, even thought like five cups of decaf is about as much as 15% or 25% at most of a normal coffee cup, I think the mold was affecting me. And this was going on for years, probably, plus smoking. The bodyās respond, when given some freedom, does slow you down, or take you out of the rational thinking winding you up to not allow the immune system to take care of the mold, so after an episode, I would come out of it, I think the mold causes some mild infection in the brain, and we have this stuff all over in our body balancing us out, actually, so Iāve learned to get away from this rational stuff winding me up, to be rational where itās rational but not indoctrinated or fear based. Irrational to allow for non fear based rationalityā¦..
I have to add something totally insane here, by the way. Regarding Coffee, I didn’t know that Tina Turner had died, would in these “episodes” play around with a certain Mozart aria, had my turntable record player fixed with a possible device playing around with the wave patterns the electric motor for the turntable that would otherwise konk out after an interim (there’s supposed to be green stuff that prevents it from working butā¦. Despite that it works every time since I introduced this little device that has aā¦. umā¦… little mythological implications with its electromagnetism although extremely smallā¦. something else regarding electromagnetism that has a different relationship with time, like miracles do then collapse a time, as stated in A Course in Miracles, or rather dissolve time that would otherwise be repeating itself when a person has fear thatās causing them not to see what itās expressing from here https://acim.org/acim/chapter-1/principles-of-miracles/en/s/53?wid=toc a few of those principlesā¦. Principle 13. Miracles are both beginnings and endings, and so they alter the temporal order. Ā²They are always affirmations of rebirth, which seem to go back but really go forward. Ā³They undo the past in the present, and thus release the future. (ACIM, T-1.I.13:1-3) principle 47. The miracle is a learning device that lessens the need for time. Ā²It establishes an out-of-pattern time interval not under the usual laws of time. Ā³In this sense it is timeless. (ACIM, T-1.I.47:1-3) Please understand, that Jesus can be a bit taking on too much having been brainwashed that HE was this prophet that HAD TO BY by his family, and when it says principle ā32. I inspire all miracles, which are really intercessions. Ā²They intercede for your holiness and make your perceptions holy. Ā³By placing you beyond the physical laws they raise you into the sphere of celestial order. ā“In this order you are perfect. (ACIM, T-1.I.32:1-4)ā In reality thatās about everyone is Christ, has a soul from the other dimension where it canāt be destroyed, everyone is the resurrection, as well as the second comingā¦ā¦ Iāve had to go beyond him to integrate what he was trying to represent, which is OK with him but thenā¦ā¦.. And thusā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦ Regarding Coffee, I was playing around with this one aria, that had been sung in Mozartās time, would do it improvising on the violin with the record player (I think I canāt share it because of copyright stuff), but was fun. Iād act like the violin squeaking away was the pig replacing the Soprano (funding for Opera is down in the USA), and other stuffā¦ā¦ Here unadulterated by my spaceship turntable, which I canāt share because of copyright issues from youtube, from where there were people that could afford the soprano https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruM8d4vcGec ā¦.. But then, after doing this for years, different layers added on to thisā¦.. Iām at a Goodwill, and thereās a really nice black lady standing there, talking to a worker. The worker Iād experienced before moping around the store thinking she was a good girl and a blessing like a tea kettle presuming everyone wants what itās warming up for, all sorts of these āreligiousā songs, like some annoying thing the wind has to do creaking around the corner of a house, when the wind would rather be free of itā¦.. and thereās an incredible amount of gossip about me, whatever Iāve done, getting radical with people trying to exploit me, with the end result they just werenāt up to it, and then Iām of course called nasty or inappropriate. I donāt know this lady, and sheās moping around thinking sheās being good sounding like some muzak that an irresponsible person forgot to TURN OFF. Before, she was going on, and then she say, seeing me: āHeās nastyā¦..ā I had enough of it, and remarked: āWowā¦.. she howlsā¦..ā Then she says Iām nasty again. WELL! THAT being beforehand, actually. Time āpassesā and Iām there at the store again, turns out there then a nice Black lady talking to her, I could see. I could see the soft energy around this lady, they had an interaction, and as the lady was leaving, the worker says: āShe says sheāll buy me a cup of coffeeā¦..ā out loud so everyone can hear, and then looking at me: āHow do you know I need coffeeā¦ā¦ā Either during this, before or after, I motioned to the woman, sort of a wave, when you at least lift your hands but not too much, to not make it look indoctrinated or officiated but simply human, and smile, again not too much. Just friendly, and weāre both dealing with not turning into robotsā¦ā¦ What I saw who is listed as the savior do walking into a bus, and then I went and talked to him myself, not knowing no one else could see him. first entering the bus I heard a voice says: ānow heās really cryingā because I knew I would fall asleep for a moment, but then woke up after the short spurt and sat next to him to talk, regarding someone I think I knew was his brother back when itās not overā¦ā¦. I motioned to her the same, likehttps://acim.org/acim/chapter-1/principles-of-miracles/en/s/53 any child would to lighten things up. So the Black lady left, and I remembered it. And then I read that Tina Turner had been listed as dying a week before that. Went and looked, can you imagine you can do this on Wikpedia listing everyone that premiered said Mozart work, and sheās listed here, which I had already starting thinking was Tinaā¦ā¦ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caterina_Cavalieri
āCoffeeā
It was Tinaā¦ā¦..
Emotions also, especially in art, they transcend the conscious mind, they resonate with forever, they have an intelligence that brings life together beyond the ego, they form whole worlds āUniVerseā a song that blesses us with the experience of what potential is there to be creativeā¦ā¦. They transcend boundariesā¦ā¦ I donāt think they are limited to being non reality based the way people cut them off, not even trying to see what the mind makes out of them, even when expressed completely non violently, even when others try to intimidate one to think you canāt see any reality thereā¦ fiction wouldnāt exist to have any meaning, neither would imaginationā¦ā¦…art is realā¦…
Now, I do have to add that before I went to get ANY therapy, before I found people again I could trust, knowing past lifetime stuff, which isnāt then past, itās just from forever. I did start, on my own WITHOUT therapy, start to have what might be called āfalse memory syndromeā or āsatanic scareā stuff going on. But then, not going into past lifetime stuff that then WOULD be gone, a dream you wake up out of, I canāt say I didnāt encounter ample evidence that such stuff IS going on, whether or not I was or had been going through it, again regardless of pastlifetime stuff, stuff like a dream one wakes up out of to see the human condition the spirit transcends all of itā¦ā¦ When simple empathy is made out to be āschizophreniaā and one canāt be picking stuff up that whoever is trying to hide, as if it controls the human condition rather than we all have the ability to transcend and heal it, even in the perpetratorsā¦.ā¦ā¦. Wellā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDopA7go7nk
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