Monday, August 10, 2020

Comments by dreampainter

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  • Even when i try and go back to that place in my life and my learning when i had any respect for quantitative research being applied to human behaviour – which is a very big ask indeed these days – i get to that place where it just all seems stupid and the best such research has to offer as a result is ‘this applies to some people sometimes, sometimes yes, sometimes no.’ Especially, when i get to a statement such as this – ‘Francey et al. reported their conclusions very conservatively, noting that “this finding can only be generalized to a very small proportion of FEP cases at this stage, and a larger trial is required to clarify whether antipsychotic-free treatment can be recommended for specific subgroups of those with FEP.” ‘ – which pretty much means ‘if we get more people into the study and then do a lots of rats and stats analysis on the results, then it will be more true for more people than if we only have this small number that we started with.’ As opposed to being honest in the 1st place and saying, ‘What we’ve shown here is that this applies to some people some times, sometimes yes, sometimes no.’

    Why is it seemingly impossible to admit that you were wrong in the first place, there are ample numbers of people speaking about the vast amount of harm done by misdiagnoses and antipsychotics and the ‘accepted wisdom’ is actually ‘accepted stupidity’ handed down – and accepted – despite all the evidence to the contrary.

  • Who wrote this article? Is it Depaware? i’m interested in finding out from the perspective of these sentences: ‘One contributory factor to these deaths is coroners. I have been writing to UK coroners for 15 years making the case that they should note where people have been on antidepressant or other drugs at the time of death.’

    for those of us who clearly see the link between psych drugs and suicide, it needs to be mandatory that with all suicides, there should be testing for which drugs are in the body. and if not, why not?

  • yes to all the above. i showed Generation Rx when it was first released as part of Mental Health Month here in Australia. the FDA footage was particularly heartbreaking.

    i can’t find the link to tom laughren’s retirement. either on pharmalot or its successor, STAT. i don’t understand why he and his ilk have not been sued for malpractice, wrongful death, etc. especially seeing as ADHD diagnoses and medicating for such continues unabated. as do the resultant suicides. surely there must be a way to hold those who are indeed accountable and responsible, to account.

  • Many thanks, Dr. Gøtzsche, for your valuable work in this area. I’m an art therapist with addictions/mental health qualifications working in aged care. i’ve come across several residents who i believe have been misdiagnosed 3o to 50 years ago and have been on antipsychotics ever since with the resulting physical symptoms of tremors, constant physical illness etc. do you or anyone have any info. on people successfully tapering off their meds after such long times on them – preferably [but not necessarily] in aged care as this will carry more weight with the orgainisation who runs these places. many thanks in anticipation.

  • hi bennett – i don’t have the answers to yr question but just scrolling thro these comments it strikes me as disappointing to see yr question totally ignored. particularly taking into account the gravity of yr situation. perhaps it’s worth reposting it so that you actually get an answer? good luck with what yr going through. it sounds horrendous for all concerned.

  • dear Elahe – i’ve just now read an excerpt of your book plus this article and all the comments in order to get an idea as to where you’re coming from in regard to yr daughter’s diagnosis of schizophrenia and all the horrors that have ensue as a result. and i’m left wondering … taking into account that Helia’s troubles began after a ‘major conversion experience’ and ‘an intense religious experience’, i’m surprised that there seems to be no mention at all of spiritual crisis or spiritual emergency or extreme states of consciousness – which are transpersonal psychology terms for the phenomena which so closely mimic the ‘symptoms’ of schizophrenia – visions, hallucinations, voices, being one with God, ecstatic states etc.

    i’ve quite possibly missed it – but did you not come across this phenomenon as an alternative explanation for your daughter’s experience and her subsequent, quite-possibly, more-than-likely MISdiagnosis of schizophrenia? thee is a vast amount of research in the field of transpersonal psychology, specifically by Stanislav and Christina Grof who originated the term, spiritual emergence/y. and there is now a DSM category ‘religious and spiritual problems’ as a result of transpersonal psychologists lobbying over many years.

    the major difference is knowing that a spiritual crisis is transient, not a biological illness, certainly not anything that’s incurable. as a transpersonal art therapist, i’ve attempted to introduce this phenomenon to various Christian ministers – with varying degrees of success.

    I wish you well and i thank you for your work – karen

  • I think it’s worth noting that the article in Slate was written by an ‘resident scholar’ at The American Enterprise Institute, which is described as … ‘an influential right-wing think tank that advocates for lower taxes, fewer protections for consumers and the environment, and cuts to the social safety net.[1] AEI describes itself as “committed to expanding liberty, increasing individual opportunity, and strengthening free enterprise.”[2]
    In 2014 The Washington Post wrote that under CEO Arthur Brooks, AEI had emerged as “the dominant conservative think tank,” becoming more influential than the Heritage Foundation.[1]
    During the George W. Bush administration, AEI was regarded “as the intellectual command post of the neoconservative campaign for regime change in Iraq,” Vanity Fair noted.[3]
    AEI had approximately 225 staff and an annual budget of more than $50 million in 2015.[4]

    … so taking that political stance into account, it’s a wee bit UNsurprising that the author writes as she does. After all, it’s not ALL psychiatrists who believe unquestioningly in the biomedical model but those wth a right-leaning perspective are more likely to,

  • I agree with your point re. information and I’m sure you’re not alone in knowing that the resources now available to people have saved thousands from ever going the psychiatric diagnosis route. Me being one of them. But my luck was determined by seeing a psychologist who sent me in search of research re. Jung, Assagiolli, the Groff’s etc. and I branched out from there. So I also agree with Ron in that there are indeed good psych’s out there who are educating themselves – and/or being educated by people such as myself and many, many others – so that people such as yourself aren’t misdiagnosed and end up on years of psych drugs.