The Federal jury hearing the first of 5000 claims against Eli Lilly for hiding the risks of withdrawal symptoms associated with Cymbalta found that Lilly did not mislabel the drug, and was not liable for Herrera’s withdrawal symptoms.
Um, sad, because I think the jury was duped. This is in fact exactly what they do, they downplay the dangerousness and damage of the drugs, every single person is hurt by them, and yet there’s no recourse after the fact. Meanwhile these treatments are offered above and beyond other ones with all the studies and long term outcomes known to be adverse, and no doctors or hospitals have programs that involve non drug treatment before all else as there should be. So you will get put on one of these drugs and get hurt, incapacitated, and suffer long term even when you don’t really need help that bad (because the bar is so gosh damn low, for what it takes for a doc to prescribe the drug).
None of this will change because there is no accountability in the industry, and government/FDA regulations are piss poor.
Advertising is the propaganda of capitalism. Advertising is all about seducing the public by stretching the truth (i.e. lying). Multinationals now own the politicians in capitalist countries. Judges and the court system are there primarily to defend, beyond even capital, corporate imperialism.
I find it amusing that people still think “mental health” has something to do with “health” rather than what it is actually about, perceived threats to the public safety and social control. When you can entertain the notion that non-illness is illness, you are not going to have a problem endangering the health of suspected potential threats to the public.
Should we have qualms about containing these threats? Cha-ching. What qualms! The biggest threat, in the eyes of the capitalist, is any threat to the bank accounts of Wall Street fat cats.
Well I just skimmed the second linked news article and they used the argument that many taking placebo also suffered withdrawal symptoms and so the effect (withdrawal symptoms) is in the patient’s mind as an already pre-existing mental sickness – and not the drug.
I find it interesting how the placebo is brought out as an escape route.
Whilst there are much deeper layers to belief than the tip of the iceberg we tend to presume as a personal characteristic, it remains so that clear and honest communication embodies true relationship and indeed sanity.
It is on some level true that we are already operating world of distorted deceits – that is we are almost all of us un-sane or dissociated from a clear and present wholeness of honest communication and relationship – yet the only reality a false or distorted assertion has is the belief it engenders – which is reinforced by the experience derived in reacting as if it is true.
When enough people react as if a fearful belief is true it is no longer a fearful belief – but mutually agreed reality.
We individually AND collectively generated the distortions from which a mad world HAD to ensue. One of them is the belief in personal guilt that then is denied only to project away onto OTHER and world and WANT it to rest on them so as to expunge or excommunicate the hated within ourself… without releasing the power we believe we get FROM attack.
Labels like psychopath can become as meaningless as nazi – for they simply assign guilt and invalidate. That is not so say others may not be embodying psychopathic behaviours.
Waking up to that ones thinking – and identity built on such thinking is insane is to open to at least a relationship with sanity – from which perspective, distortions, falsehoods and errors can be corrected or undone.
Jesus’ example and inspiration has been neutered by fearful interpretation that makes special to separate and thus ‘save’ the separate self sense from true relationship as one’s foundational integrity. However, he did not claim power to heal but accepted healing for himself and extended it to the willingness and faith of others who were attracted at whatever level to releasing affliction. Now there IS a vibrational quality in the true presence of Life through whatever agency – and there is the free willingness to match or accept such a quality in oneself. Likewise there is a resonant attraction of fear thinking with magical or manipulative ‘answer’ that merely redistributes or redefines the same problem in complex derivatives made to seem new.
The Pharmaceutical ‘answer’ has brought the original problem back with interest in more complex forms. The attempt to treat symptoms as if they are causes reflects a fundamental confusion. As does the attempt to kill the messenger rather than read and accept the message. Each of us has a capacity of discernment from which to use even negative experiences for positive outcomes – while actively choosing positive outcomes. Corporate entity operates a disproportionate power because that is how our choices shape our reality. There is always a call to check and limit insanity that harms and the growing recognition of the deceits and coercions of systemic and institutional corruption, will not cease as a result of not ‘winning’ a particular lawsuit. Wouldn’t you look at it and see that winning such a battle is a publicity whereby they are losing credibility and legitimacy? Hence the increasing of deceit and coercion to maintain the mask – as if the mask is the reality and all else must conform to it. Insanity. Who is without mask – let them cast the first stone. Well who is without mask seeks healing, not vengeance. Bringing the fear and shame that drives such behaviour into the light that heals.
Yes, there is brainwashing and I want to know; who paid this jury off to get this sort of verdict? It is an Orwellian and Huxley tragedy beyond words that the public now seems to believe these drugs are benign and helpful and that if the person does not ingest them; they will be out of control and dangerous to society. I took those horrible drugs. I have never been a danger to society. I just got sad; because the world wanted me to be something I could never be and the world did not want me to be sad over the death of someone as close to you as your very self. I know no longer what to think; but, I refuse to take any drug that steals me from being a unique child of God and as for the world; you will just have to get used to having someone like me in your world. I mean no one any harm. I just want to be the person God meant for me to be; to do His will; and fulfill His purpose in my life. That’s all. Amen. Thank you.
You don’t necessarily have to pay the jury off when the jury itself is filled with people that are not very informed or intelligent. The process of jury selection is ludicrous since each side tries to choose particular kinds of people that can be swayed very easily to the one side or the other. The lawyers for each side in a trial try to cherry pick people who can be swayed to their side. Obviously Eli Lilly’s lawyers made some very good choices for jury members for this debacle.
Trial by our peers can be a very dangerous thing these days. A friend of mine once served on a jury and one of the women chosen to sit for the jury actually sat on the front row of the jury box and slept through each day of the proceedings and she snored like a buzz saw! Did the judge do anything? No. How competent was she to sit and make important decisions about the outcome of the trial when she never heard much of the testimony? The system is broken and we’re paying the price for it.
For this kind of litigation to succeed in the future, there needs to be more scientific data to counter the pseudo science and more scientists willing to study what happens to the brain react during withdrawal. Unless there is a solid body of evidence to prove that iatrogenic harm experienced by hundreds of thousands is not ‘made up’ or that psychiatric drug withdrawal causes acute harm these lawsuits will fail.
Of course they did.
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Sad but unsurprising :(.
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What next? Big Pharma has brainwashed our entire society into thinking these meds are benign and that anyone who questions them is off base…
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/08/08/us-eli-lilly-cymbalta-trial-idUSKCN0QD01K20150808
This link to version not pay walled.
Um, sad, because I think the jury was duped. This is in fact exactly what they do, they downplay the dangerousness and damage of the drugs, every single person is hurt by them, and yet there’s no recourse after the fact. Meanwhile these treatments are offered above and beyond other ones with all the studies and long term outcomes known to be adverse, and no doctors or hospitals have programs that involve non drug treatment before all else as there should be. So you will get put on one of these drugs and get hurt, incapacitated, and suffer long term even when you don’t really need help that bad (because the bar is so gosh damn low, for what it takes for a doc to prescribe the drug).
None of this will change because there is no accountability in the industry, and government/FDA regulations are piss poor.
Stupid ass jury.
http://www.obamasweapon.com
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Advertising is the propaganda of capitalism. Advertising is all about seducing the public by stretching the truth (i.e. lying). Multinationals now own the politicians in capitalist countries. Judges and the court system are there primarily to defend, beyond even capital, corporate imperialism.
I find it amusing that people still think “mental health” has something to do with “health” rather than what it is actually about, perceived threats to the public safety and social control. When you can entertain the notion that non-illness is illness, you are not going to have a problem endangering the health of suspected potential threats to the public.
Should we have qualms about containing these threats? Cha-ching. What qualms! The biggest threat, in the eyes of the capitalist, is any threat to the bank accounts of Wall Street fat cats.
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Snakes in Suits is a compelling, frightening, and scientifically sound look at exactly how psychopaths work in the corporate environment.
http://www.mtpinnacle.com/pdfs/psycophaths-at-work.pdf
This Eli Lilly Email is also a look at how psychopaths work in the corporate environment.
” I appreciate your help with this and second your suggestion that any additional resources will be a small price to pay for the molecule.”
Read more http://web.archive.org/web/20120122013020/http://www.furiousseasons.com/zyprexa%20documents/ZY100378062.pdf
They knew Zyprexa was harming people .
This video explains it more.
Cymbalta CEO to Retire http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYzyJyVdf4c
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So we know that Eli Lilly is run by clinical psychopaths, that’s a given, but how did they win this lawsuit ?
There is no reporting that I can find that says how they won it. What they said to win it.
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Well I just skimmed the second linked news article and they used the argument that many taking placebo also suffered withdrawal symptoms and so the effect (withdrawal symptoms) is in the patient’s mind as an already pre-existing mental sickness – and not the drug.
I find it interesting how the placebo is brought out as an escape route.
Whilst there are much deeper layers to belief than the tip of the iceberg we tend to presume as a personal characteristic, it remains so that clear and honest communication embodies true relationship and indeed sanity.
It is on some level true that we are already operating world of distorted deceits – that is we are almost all of us un-sane or dissociated from a clear and present wholeness of honest communication and relationship – yet the only reality a false or distorted assertion has is the belief it engenders – which is reinforced by the experience derived in reacting as if it is true.
When enough people react as if a fearful belief is true it is no longer a fearful belief – but mutually agreed reality.
We individually AND collectively generated the distortions from which a mad world HAD to ensue. One of them is the belief in personal guilt that then is denied only to project away onto OTHER and world and WANT it to rest on them so as to expunge or excommunicate the hated within ourself… without releasing the power we believe we get FROM attack.
Labels like psychopath can become as meaningless as nazi – for they simply assign guilt and invalidate. That is not so say others may not be embodying psychopathic behaviours.
Waking up to that ones thinking – and identity built on such thinking is insane is to open to at least a relationship with sanity – from which perspective, distortions, falsehoods and errors can be corrected or undone.
Jesus’ example and inspiration has been neutered by fearful interpretation that makes special to separate and thus ‘save’ the separate self sense from true relationship as one’s foundational integrity. However, he did not claim power to heal but accepted healing for himself and extended it to the willingness and faith of others who were attracted at whatever level to releasing affliction. Now there IS a vibrational quality in the true presence of Life through whatever agency – and there is the free willingness to match or accept such a quality in oneself. Likewise there is a resonant attraction of fear thinking with magical or manipulative ‘answer’ that merely redistributes or redefines the same problem in complex derivatives made to seem new.
The Pharmaceutical ‘answer’ has brought the original problem back with interest in more complex forms. The attempt to treat symptoms as if they are causes reflects a fundamental confusion. As does the attempt to kill the messenger rather than read and accept the message. Each of us has a capacity of discernment from which to use even negative experiences for positive outcomes – while actively choosing positive outcomes. Corporate entity operates a disproportionate power because that is how our choices shape our reality. There is always a call to check and limit insanity that harms and the growing recognition of the deceits and coercions of systemic and institutional corruption, will not cease as a result of not ‘winning’ a particular lawsuit. Wouldn’t you look at it and see that winning such a battle is a publicity whereby they are losing credibility and legitimacy? Hence the increasing of deceit and coercion to maintain the mask – as if the mask is the reality and all else must conform to it. Insanity. Who is without mask – let them cast the first stone. Well who is without mask seeks healing, not vengeance. Bringing the fear and shame that drives such behaviour into the light that heals.
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Yes, there is brainwashing and I want to know; who paid this jury off to get this sort of verdict? It is an Orwellian and Huxley tragedy beyond words that the public now seems to believe these drugs are benign and helpful and that if the person does not ingest them; they will be out of control and dangerous to society. I took those horrible drugs. I have never been a danger to society. I just got sad; because the world wanted me to be something I could never be and the world did not want me to be sad over the death of someone as close to you as your very self. I know no longer what to think; but, I refuse to take any drug that steals me from being a unique child of God and as for the world; you will just have to get used to having someone like me in your world. I mean no one any harm. I just want to be the person God meant for me to be; to do His will; and fulfill His purpose in my life. That’s all. Amen. Thank you.
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You don’t necessarily have to pay the jury off when the jury itself is filled with people that are not very informed or intelligent. The process of jury selection is ludicrous since each side tries to choose particular kinds of people that can be swayed very easily to the one side or the other. The lawyers for each side in a trial try to cherry pick people who can be swayed to their side. Obviously Eli Lilly’s lawyers made some very good choices for jury members for this debacle.
Trial by our peers can be a very dangerous thing these days. A friend of mine once served on a jury and one of the women chosen to sit for the jury actually sat on the front row of the jury box and slept through each day of the proceedings and she snored like a buzz saw! Did the judge do anything? No. How competent was she to sit and make important decisions about the outcome of the trial when she never heard much of the testimony? The system is broken and we’re paying the price for it.
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For this kind of litigation to succeed in the future, there needs to be more scientific data to counter the pseudo science and more scientists willing to study what happens to the brain react during withdrawal. Unless there is a solid body of evidence to prove that iatrogenic harm experienced by hundreds of thousands is not ‘made up’ or that psychiatric drug withdrawal causes acute harm these lawsuits will fail.
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