Wednesday, June 28, 2017

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  • Have you seen this report? Upcoming article: Antidepressant Nightmare. Ihttp://www.jimstonefreelance.com/antidepressants.htm l understand this may not be posted due to the included link. If so, it may be a good idea to look at it privately. I also don’t know the date it was posted. “This article will be approximately 50 pages long, and extensively documented, as well as have the classified internal documents linked in a zipped folder. Expect it to post sometime in July. (that is if I am still online!)” Although, I have read most of Dr. Breggin & Dr. Healy’s books I don’t know if they have already reported these GSK confidential documents in their books.

    Thank you…..

  • Can someone please inform me what’s causing all the transgender population? My grand daughter is transgender and I know her mother (my daughter) was heavily psychiatrically drugged at the time. Is the use of pyshotropics during pregnancy causing this or is due to the epidemic use of vaccines? In my opinion – use of both are out of control, but during the 70’s and 80’s this was not prevalent at all. I’m just trying to understand what’s changing the genes in the fetus?

  • Mini Quiz: New Patient Consult
    March 03, 2016 | Psychopharmacology, Child Adolescent Psychiatry, Quizzes
    By Margaret J. Yoon, MD and Maryland Pao, MD
    A 19-year-old new patient comes to you wanting to discontinue all his childhood psychiatric medications. What is the best next step?
    Choices
    A. State you cannot work with him if he discontinues his medication
    B. Contact his parents to bring them into the next session to discuss concerns about medication nonadherence
    C. Review indications and informed consent for each medication to understand his history of treatment and current ambivalence
    D. Agree to discontinue medications if he appears stable and keep close clinical watch while building a therapeutic alliance
    -And the answer is: C. Review indications and informed consent for each medication to understand his history of treatment and current ambivalence
    88% (1696 votes)

    I see they are still working on brainwashing the patient. I voted to take him off if he seemed stable but what I have experienced time and time again is they take patients off psychiatric drugs abruptly causing so more mental torture than they experienced while taking the drugs. And yes, all the psych meds I was prescribed over the years caused so much suicidality that I was caught in the revolving door to the ER, ICU and eventually landing in more psychiatric hospitalizations. The madness only Stopped when I went off ALL the medications although I had to endure pure psychotic hell from the withdrawals to get there.

  • Of course 5 million people don’t actually have Bipolar. Most of us who have experienced trauma at some point are easily & readily mis-diagnosed with Bipolar much as I was. Also, our direct to consumer advertising wants us also to believe we are with all too happy psychiatrists ready to prescribe multiple drugs to treat it if not ECT on down the road after we’ve developed drug-induced ‘treatment resistant depression from being poly-drugged long-term. When was Bipolar considered a medical condition right next to diabetes and heart disease? Furthermore, where are the facts on how can medically prove this?

    ttp://www.hngn.com/articles/81058/20150330/bipolar-disorder-world-day-sets-out-inform-break-barriers-create.htm

    “Bipolar Disorder is a mental illness that represents a significant challenge to patients, health care workers, family members and our communities,” according to a press release from World Bipolar Day organizers. “While growing acceptance of bipolar disorder as a medical condition, like diabetes and heart disease, has taken hold in some parts of the world, unfortunately the stigma associated with the illness is a barrier to care and continues to impede early diagnosis and effective treatment.”

  • Big pharma isn’t hurting at all, unfortunately. They just want us to think they are. They just merge to another country. And yes, we had a Pfizer right here in Kalamazoo, MI employing thousands of people at one time. This is not a political agenda point but Bernie Sanders seems to be the only politician remotely talking about taking on Big Pharma. And I love the old guy for that!!! This is his doings:

    Pfizer Must Pay Taxes
    Add Your Name to Help Stop Pfizer Dodging Taxes

    Pfizer is a giant pharmaceutical company based in New York City that is in the process of trying to merge with another company located in Ireland.

    If the merger is successful, Pfizer would technically become a foreign company, meaning it could dodge around $35 BILLION in corporate taxes here in America. Pfizer and other pharmaceutical companies cannot be allowed to evade taxes like this.

  • Robert, or someone, please write an article bringing to light information on Best Pharmaceuticals for Childrens Act (BPCA) – (children for God’s sake) on the FDA website: 17,000 reported adverse events from Paxil including 9 completed suicides. Celexa had 6,000 adverse events reported <5 pediatric (although I don't believe this low number) Citalipram adverse events – Psychiatric Labeled: Cognitive impairment, Aggression, Agitation, mania, and delusions, Suicidality and Psychotic reactions. Unlabeled: Violent behavior/homicidal behavior.

    How in the world can doctors still presume that the benefits out weigh the risks for children or adults for that matter? Until one has actually experienced these horrific 'side effects' as those of us prescribed these drugs have, no one knows just how truly disabling, crippling, devastating these drug-induced mental illnesses are not only to our own lives but to our families as well. To other people, these listed 'side effects' are mere words. Simple benign words. To those of us prescribed these drugs having to endure this type of torture, it's pure absolute hell. And why are people still not listening? Why do they still not care? Why don't we seem to matter anymore? To anyone??? And this is how America treats it's very own children. What a shame…

  • I will let the intellectuals argue over the wording in Roberts article. I have all the proof I need sitting right in front of me concerning prescribing psychiatric drugs to babies, children, teenagers, and adults. Included in these clinical studies, with much of the critical information redacted, are for all of the above ages. The findings are horrendous: Intuniv (age 0-16) – deadly, Saphris (10-17yrs) – there are NO studies to assess drug abuse potential, rebound, or withdrawal in pediatric patients with bipolar 1 disorder (why?), 2 – Post Abilfy studies for irritability in a autistic children completely Failed, Celexa (7-11 yrs) could not find any efficacy between Celxa and placebo, Provigal (6 -16 yrs) – Failed efficacy, Risperdal again for irritability in autistic children states: no efficacy above 3 mg plus, , there are no controlled data to support longer term use of beyond 8 weeks which is a far cry from the multiple years we are prescribed Risperdal, Zoloft (6-17 yrs) redacted 12 pages of this study from the public eye, Effexor XR – “non approvable” – Failure – Failure, Seroquel (10 – 17 yrs) – efficacy was NOT established, Seroquel XR (13 -17 yrs) efficacy was NOT established, and the list for dangerous side effects, adverse effects and toxic effects is so long for all of these drugs that it would fill a volume. So I’ll let you intellectuals haggle over the ‘correct’ wording in this article. No psychiatric drugs are safe for children or adults for long-term use. Plain and simple. We psychiatric drug survivors who have been drugged for decades can easily attest to this. Those of us that lived… Thank you Robert for another amazing article.

  • Reading this was so disturbing to me to continually learn what is happening to patients who endure adverse reactions or toxicity in this case, to prescribed psychiatric drugs. I too, became extremely homicidal while enduring SSRI withdrawals. Mr. Gottstein, is this what we are up against? Too me, this is criminal, for us patients gravely harmed by our prescribed medications, not to mention our families. :

    Jeffs v. West, 275 P.3d 228 (Utah 2012)

    Also under Professional Liability

    Outcome: Very unfavorable

    Issue

    The issue in this case was whether physicians owe a duty to their patients’ children, which can be breached through inappropriate care to their patients.

    AMA interest

    The AMA strives to avoid the expansion of liability theories against physicians, which can lead to abusive malpractice litigation.

    Case summary

    According to the complaint filed in this lawsuit, a patient was treated for psychiatric problems at a medical clinic. He was seen by an advanced family nurse practitioner, who prescribed a cocktail of seven psychotropic drugs, including stimulants, tranquilizers, antidepressants and steroids. Although Utah law requires that a physician must supervise and consult with a nurse practitioner before prescribing drugs of this nature, the physician in charge of the clinic neither supervised nor consulted with the nurse practitioner, and he failed to monitor the nurse practitioner’s treatment of the patient.

    During his visits to the clinic, the patient displayed “toxic side effects” from the combined medications. Furthermore, he advised the nurse practitioner that he was having marital problems and his wife had had a legal restraining order entered against him. However, the nurse practitioner continued to prescribe the drug cocktail without consulting the supervising physician. Under the circumstances, continuation of the drug cocktail was medically inappropriate.

    Ultimately, the patient shot and killed his wife in a church parking lot, in daylight and in front of several witnesses. Within two hours of the shooting, the patient turned himself in to the police. Blood toxicology reports showed that the patient was within the prescribed ranges of all his medications and he had no illicit substances in his blood stream at the time of the shooting. A causal factor of the shooting was the administration of the drug cocktail and the failure of the nurse practitioner, the supervising physician, and the clinic to provide alternative psychiatric care. The patient subsequently pleaded guilty to and was convicted of murder.

    The patient’s minor children (who were also the victim’s children), through their guardian, sued the nurse practitioner, the supervising physician, and the clinic. The defendants moved to dismiss, asserting that their legal duty was solely to the patient and not the children. The trial court granted the defendants’ motion, and the children have appealed to the Utah Supreme Court. The primary legal question on appeal is whether the defendants owed a common law legal duty to the children to provide proper medical care to their father.

    On February 28, 2012, the Utah Supreme Court found that the medical care providers did owe a duty of care to their patients’ children. The Court emphasized that, under the pleadings, the defendants’ affirmative actions of misprescribing medicine had caused their patient’s psychotic reaction, and the defendants should be responsible for the injury they had caused. The case was reversed and remanded.

    Litigation Center involvement

    The Litigation Center, along with the Utah Medical Association and other health care organizations, filed an amicus curiae brief, arguing that physicians should not owe a duty to their patients’ children on account of the medical care the physicians provide to their patients.

    Utah Supreme Court briefPDF FIle – Jeffs v. West, 275 P.3d 228 (Utah 2012)

  • I don’t believe we are bashing psychopharmacology here. If anything, we are striving to learn the truth on the dangers of psychiatric drugs. Critical Withheld information that our doctors refuse to provide us with. Gp’s, pediatricians, and Psychiatrists prescribe these drugs to multi- millions of us, many greatly harmed. Myself included. I only want the truth.

    Carcinogenicity of psychotropic drugs: A systematic review of US Food and Drug Administration – required preclinical in vivo studies –

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/275521284

  • Great article! This is how they are handling psychiatric depression else where:

    http://archpsyc.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=2491354#Abstract

    Euthanasia and Assisted Suicide of Patients With Psychiatric Disorders in the Netherlands 2011 to
    Scott Y. H. Kim, MD, PhD1; Raymond G. De Vries, PhD2,3; John R. Peteet, MD4

    JAMA Psychiatry. Published online February 10, 2016. doi:10.1001/jamapsychiatry.2015.2887

    Is this coming to a country near us? Or is it already here and we just aren’t aware of it, yet?

  • The article, ‘Setting the Record Straight on Antipsychotics’ in Psychiatric Times has been sitting on my desk for over a week. It’s a very hard read. I became so enraged when reading it that I had to keep setting it down to keep from becoming physically ill. Allen Frances seems to take no responsibility what so ever in his part for creating three major mental disorder epidemics in this country welcoming in millions of unsuspecting, naïve (me) patients for big pharma. What a payday this must have been for him. As angry as I am with psychiatry for taking control and ruining my life by prescribing so many psychiatric drugs over a 35 year period that it’s amazing I’m alive today so I don’t like to venture in the ‘angry’ arena anymore. But this sentence in his article is what took the cake for me, “I and many others fought vigorously against these dangerous misuses of antipsychotic medication.” I wish he would have included proof at just how hard he really fought. We patients are the ones who fought just to make it though another day of suffering while being lied to, poisoned, and left to the wolves for becoming good, ‘compliant’ patient’s.

  • Sure, anything to treat depression or any mental illness is better than being drugged to death, however, after I withdrew from ALL psychiatric drugs I enrolled in ACT (assertive community treatment) through InterAct in my hometown, funded in part by Kalamazoo Community Mental Health & Substance Abuse Services in which to partake in these services, it’s required that you work with an Act therapist. But after my therapist misjudged my walking out of her office as possibly ‘suicidal’, unbeknownst to me she called a Police Officer to do a home check. I was not suicidal. Nor was I home when he came but had I been he too, could very well as misjudged me and taken me against my will to a psychiatric hospital if he deemed necessary. And only just 2 years ago I was force fed (court ordered) multiple psychiatric drugs I begged them to treat me without using them. And while in a ‘court ordered’ drugs haze my house burns to the ground when I had neither house insurance or a savings account and left homeless for 8 months. So be weary when even signing up for CBT or ACT therapy. I finally had to cut ALL ties to anything that had to do with Mental Health as I don’t seem to be safe from any of it. Psychiatry and psychiatric drugs have completely ruined my life, and it’s sad that I now feel I have no where to go when feeling ‘distressed’, even suicidal. It’s not even safe to utter the word ‘suicidal feelings’ for fear of being locked up, heavily drugged, and once again having my life stolen from me. I am more than mad in america that there is no where else we can go for help anymore.

  • Mr. Philip Hickey, this article was so truthful, eye opening, and so well written that it left me speechless. Thank you so very much for sharing your articulate wisdom with those of us less fortunate. And by that I mean, those of us who have actually developed Dementia from years of taking psychiatric drugs, ECT’s, and the devastating, permanent cognitive impairment from multiple psychiatric drug ‘cold turkey’ withdrawals. But, I sure understood every single word you said. Thank you!

  • Just when I actually believed someone was listening to what’s really happening between Big Pharma, and the millions of doctors they pay to push their drugs, I am gravely disappointed. I:

    Energy & Commerce Committee – United States House of Representatives Chairman Fred Upton
    2015 Text of H.R. 6, 21st Century Cures Act

    http://docs.house.gov/billsthisweek/20150706/CPRT-114-HPRT-RU00-HR6.pdf

    p. 292 Subtitle C – Encouraging Continuing Medical Education for Physicians (In large, BOLD font)

    (xiii) In the case of covered recipient who is a physician, an indirect payment or transfer of value to the covered recipient —

    “(I) for speaking at, or preparing educational materials for, an education event for physicians or other healthcare professionals that does not commercially promote a covered drug.”

    “(II) that serves the sole purpose of providing the covered recipient with medical education, such as by providing the covered recipient with the tuition required to attend an educational event or with materials provided to physicians at an educational event.”

    Are they kidding me? We all know that 90% of CME are sponsored by drug companies who pay handsomely to attract new doctor drug pushers. I see them everyday on psychiatric websites heavily sponsored by pharmaceutical companies that have so many pop-up drug ads that it’s difficult to even read one of their propagandized articles. I’m more than mad in america. I’m thoroughly disgusted.

  • The 3 Reports that the USPSTF have published are so disturbing to me that I don’t understand the direction that our current Mental Health System is going. Although, what I do understand is that it’s Greed in it’s finest form coming directly from Big Pharma. “ALL members of the general population should be screened for depression.” ALL is a pretty big word. In which, ALL will qualify. The other two reports are just as horrifying, as they want to now include more than ALL. Now they are targeting pregnant and postpartum women – http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=2484344, and then on September 8, 2015 – “12 to 18 year olds should be screened for MDD – and with MDD, these feelings last more than 2 weeks – USPSTF”. Isn’t it natural for most teenagers to be this depressed after a boy/girlfriend breakup, or they just got beat the night before, or sexually abused by a relative, or they’re living in extreme poverty, ect, ect, ect. And now our Society, our Country, and our Mental Healthcare System would rather quickly diagnose and drug them using drugs that will most likely ruin them for life, and that’s only if they’re able to live through all the iatrogenic illness the drugs are going to induce. And this doesn’t even cover all the mentally torturous withdrawal symptoms. I’m so glad that I’m old and I won’t be around much longer because what’s happening to every man, woman & child in this country by first, convincing them they have a mental disease, secondly, by over drugging them is so horrifying to me since I know full well what multiple psychiatric drugs do to a persons life. As a psychiatric survivor of over thirty-five years, the drugs completely destroy lives not improve them.

  • Besides the U.S. Preventative Services Task Force targeting to screen ALL adults including pregnant and postpartum woman it’s also focusing on drugging 12 to 18 year olds screening through primary care for Major Depressive Disorder. And you only have to be depressed for 2 or more weeks. I don’t know any teenage that doesn’t experience this especially after a break-up with a boy/girl friend, living in poverty, or having drug & alcohol addicted parents. It wouldn’t surprise me if they soon target babies for depression. I’m sure Big Pharma is smiling all the way to the bank. The psychiatric hospitals will burst at their seems with yet more adverse effected patients as they are today. The madness will never end, because the first line of treatment is always – drugs, drugs, and more drugs.

    http://www.uspreventiveservicestaskforce.org/Home/GetFile/6/250/deprchildnewsbulletin/pdf

  • The ‘All’ they are referring to is also specifically targeting pregnant and postpartum women.

    http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=2484344

    ‘Primary Care Screening for and Treatment of Depression in Pregnant and Postpartum Women Evidence Report and Systematic Review for the US Prevention Services Task Force’ This massive study included only – 1 pharmacological study and then that included CBT – “1997 – 87 subjects – Fluoxetine and CBT’. Zero studies included that used only drugs. “Data on the harms of antidepressant use in postpartum women (the majority used were postpartum) were insufficient, with only a single small 12-week trial of fluoxetine.”

    Yet, this was just promoted on the Nightly News a few minutes ago stating, again, that “ALL pregnant and postpartum women should be screened for depression”. When science isn’t even sure of the exact dangers antidepressants are doing now , although what I’m already learning is pretty horrific. More from this article under antidepressant harms: increased preeclamsia, post partum hemorrhage, miscarriage, postneonal death, preterm birth, serotonin withdrawal syndrome, ect, the list is too long.

    And check out the References. #73 – 84. Mind boggling.

  • Great article, but there’s bad news on the horizon. We are about to be in a blood bath. Now they want ALL adult persons screened for depression. Is anyone aware of just how horrifying this is? Of course everyone’s going to qualify, first the diagnosis followed by antidepressants, and they’ll add a benzo, a neuroleptic, or something else. Tragic, that’s what this is. This is going to have devastating consequences to millions of individuals out there who do NOT need antidepressants what so ever. What is our world coming to?

    http://www.psychiatryadvisor.com/mood-disorders/uspstf-updated-guidelines-depression-screening-adults/article/
    Lauren Biscaldi, Assistant Editor
    January 26, 2016
    USPSTF Presents Updated Guidelines For
    In an update of their 2009 guidelines, the US Preventive Services Task Force has provided updated recommendations for screening for depression in adults.

    After completing a medical literature review, the US Preventive Services Task Force has concluded that all members of the general adult population should be screened for depression, according to a recommendation statement released in JAMA.

  • Lately, I’ve been hearing from many people, myself included, who now have ocular problems after going off their psych meds. Another post withdrawal symptom that’s coming up more often, especially if you were prescribed a benzo, is abnormal EEG’s, again, myself included. Unless abnormal EEG’s are ‘normal’ from the Klonopin-induced withdrawal seizures, again, myself included. Boy, the hell we pay for being ‘compliant’ patients.

  • After being prescribed more than 75 psychiatric drugs in the last three decades, and although I’m off them all now, I developed these extremely painful stomach problems that began 6 months past all the ‘cold turkey’ withdrawals. Over the past year I’ve had about 12 ‘episodes’ (each one last 8-9 hours where it feels like my stomach is in one long spasm.) Morphine doesn’t touch it. The ER has to inject Dalaudid to relieve the pain. Currently involved with a Gasterologist who’s recommended about $16,000 dollars worth of testing and this doesn’t count $10,000 for ER visits. I also have no hope that they’ll find exactly whats wrong, because I know it’s from long-term use of psych meds, and doctors never take that into account. What’s sad about this whole picture is that our Government (my Medicaid & Medicare) has no problem paying over 20 Grand for my stomach issue, yet when I went looking for a Holistic doctor or Nutritionalist last month Medicaid or Medicare doesn’t cover either one. So I’m stuck with the ‘insane’ usual Medical care who’s only going to prescribe more damn drugs.

  • Yes, there wasn’t anyone there for me either in the Mental Healthcare facility where I attended every week. Even after they told me it was ‘just fine’ to cold turkey off a 10 year addiction to Klonopin. They refused to help me through it, they refused to inform me of any withdrawal symptoms. They refused to even believe my withdrawal psychosis and seizures once I came out of the mentally torturous withdrawal. In fact, my Recipient Rights case against them for neglect was DENIED because I had signed a simple 1 page consent form the year before that said nothing of withdrawal symptoms especially a ‘cold turkey’ withdrawal. Cased Closed. That’s what they told me. They were able to silence another patient so they can continue abusing the rest.

  • TV psychiatric drug advertising here in America is so dangerous they should be banned. But money holds there spot on TV. In Peter Gotzshe’s new book he mentioned the Panorama: Secrets of Seroxat series and was completely blown away with the entire series. I had to put his book down to watch ALL videos for hours including Study 329. So well done David. Amazing! Thank you… And our own FDA is even more crooked. And now I read that 1 in 8 children are diagnosed in US with ADHD. When is this madness ever going to end. Doesn’t anyone see the harm we’re doing to our own children? It’s criminal. Once your labeled, the drugs never stop. I know. I was prescribed them for decades and I can’t imagine for a moment a child enduring what I have to endure all because I was a good girl (compliant) and took ‘my medicine’. I’m truly lucky to be alive.

  • If you feel that taking chemicals during pregnancy should be a last resort, would you mind informing my local Community Mental Healthcare facility then. I have been involved in the CMH setting for 35 years and I’m not the Dr. or the therapist. I was the patient and our psychiatrists urge patients to stay on their ‘cocktail’ (5 or more) drugs during pregnancy, not come off of them. Never in all those decades have I heard one psychiatrist encourage a patient to eliminate any of her drugs. And it may be due to putting the Mother into severe withdrawals which could be fatal. But then psychiatry doesn’t believe that we endure emotional and mental torture during withdrawals. We are not believed at any point.

  • When these ‘bad’ mothers are given a mental diagnosis, they are typically drugged with 5-7 different psychiatric drugs. When you begin experiencing psychiatric drug-induced: mania’s, high anxiety, panic attacks, crippling depressions to the point of suicidal attempts, migraines, severe insomnia, chronic fatigue, malaise, homicidality, hallucinations, psychosis & seizures as I have from taking my medicine, it’s Very hard to be a ‘good’ mother when the drugs your taking are making you so mentally unwell that you can’t function. Knowing exactly how they work and have damaged my brain, I have to believe they are damaging the developing brain in the fetus. How can they not be? We didn’t have an epidemic of autism until the early 80’s when Prozac was introduced. We didn’t have school shooting when I went to school either, but then the SSRI weren’t out yet. And the numbers just keep climbing every year.

  • I don’t even know how to respond to this because no matter what I say, to anyone, they don’t seem to hear me. Especially the mental health workers who were treating me at the time.

    When I went through a ‘cold turkey’ benzo withdrawal that put me in a world of psychosis I’ve never seen before I became so suicidal from the horror world I found myself in I would have shot myself if I would have had a gun in my house at that time. Now, it’s OK if I want to take my own life while enduring a Klonopin withdrawal but when I went off the rest of my psychiatric drugs there were going to be other lives on the line as the mentally torturous SSRI withdrawals pushed me over the edge. My goal, and it was my only goal, a daily goal, was to find and take a shot gun to where I wanted and begin shooting. And I not only knew I would die in the process, it was expected. So don’t anyone ever try and tell me that psychiatric drug withdrawals do NOT push people into doing things they never in a million years would ever do. But who’s listening? No one….

  • That was so beautifully well said that I’m still smiling, and will be for a very long time.

    After thirty-five years involved in the mental health world, poly drugged the entire time, I have literally had to de-brainwash/de-program what psychiatry had put there. All I knew how to do was group every emotion I had and squeeze it into a mental diagnosis, because that’s all they had been doing for decades. Now that I’m off the drugs, I’m not mentally ill, I’m not mentally ill at all. In fact, I haven’t felt this mentally well in a very, very long time.

    Your comment was a joy to read. Thank you. I couldn’t have said it better myself.

  • Wow, what a story. Boy, I flashed right back to when I was in the Kalamazoo State Hospital remembering how every attendant, mostly women, used to sit at the nurses station, up higher than everyone else, and either just turn their heads when they saw you approaching or you were greeted with icy, cold stares. Ooohhh, it gives me chills.

    Mr. Issa Ibrahim, you just keep doing what your doing. Your very inspirational to me.

  • I absolutely loved you Michael while I attended Dr. Peter Breggin’s Empathy Conference in Lansing, MI. The information you provided opened my eyes to the epidemic of ADHD diagnosis. What I wanted to tell you at that conference was that I believe Medicaid is just short for Medication. Only a few days before I heard on our news that Michigan has the highest rate of ADHD. Something we should be very ashamed of. But then, I haven’t come across too many psychiatrists’ or doctors who actually suffer from this – shame. Just look at the number of children in the foster care system. Now, this is a shame.

  • If they are truly lowering doses of antipsychotics to treat schizophrenic patients, which I don’t believe for a minute, but ok, lets just say they are. Then why do I keep reading on the FDA website about these new ‘add on’ drugs to treat schizophrenia. You know, drugs recently approved to take with the existing drug/offender. What an old trick this is. The Food Industry has been doing this for years. (Lets divide salt into 3 or 4 different names to fool the public. Then it won’t show up as 100% salt.) Just so main stream psychiatry can say they’re lowering doses. P-L-E-A-S-E, how dumb do they think we are?

  • I recently went here: http://mentalillnesspolicy.org/ looking for Mental Illness Policy information, and this is what was staring me square in the face. Given the tragic recent mass shootings, again, in Oregon, why is America still prosecuting Schizophrenics to the Public in this light? I was horrified to see this portrayal of schizophrenic’s on this Mental Illness Policy website. I personally don’t know any diagnosed schizophrenics, but what I do know is that this information is so far from accurate it’s not even funny. I’ve read many articles that say the mentally ill (including schizophrenics) or not only, not usually violent, but are more apt to become victims of violence themselves. Look at the date 1993! This is the information they’re using to educate the Public NOW in 2015 !!! I posted the ‘Uncivil Rights’ too, because I didn’t know what it was. Am I somehow misreading or misunderstanding this ?? Please tell me if I am….Every word below is as it appears. There is no editing. (I have one comment in parentheses. )

    (THIS IS THE TOP HEADING TO THIS EXTENSIVE WEBSITE TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC ON MENTAL ILLNESS:
    Learn why seriously mentally ill people receive such poor care and the policies that can improve care; save money;
    and keep public and patients safer. Read “Uncivil Liberties” first… then left hand column and work your way across.
    Uncivil liberties
    Far from respecting civil liberties, legal obstacles to treating the mentally ill limit or destroy the liberty of the person
    By Herschel Hardin
    (PDF VERSION)
    Herschel Hardin is an author and consultant. He was a member of the board of directors of the Civil Liberties Association from 1965 to 1974, and has been involved in the defense of liberty and free speech through his work with Amnesty International. One of his children has schizophrenia.
    The public is growing increasingly confused by how we treat the mentally ill. More and more, the mentally ill are showing up in the streets, badly in need of help. Incidents of illness-driven violence are being reported regularly, incidents which common sense tells us could easily be avoided. And this is just the visible tip of the greater tragedy – of many more sufferers deteriorating in the shadows and often, committing suicide.
    People asked in perplexed astonishment: ” Why don’t we provide the treatment, when the need is so obvious?” Yet every such cry of anguish is met with the rejoinder that unrequested intervention is an infringement of civil liberties. This stops everything.
    Civil Liberties, after all, are a fundamental part of our democratic society. The rhetoric and lobbying results in legislative obstacles to timely and adequate treatment, and the psychiatric community is cowed by the anti-treatment climate produced. Here is the Kafkaesque irony: Far from respecting civil liberties, legal obstacles to treatment limit or destroy the liberty of the person. The best example concerns schizophrenia.
    The most chronic and disabling of the major mental illnesses, schizophrenia involves a chemical imbalance in the brain, alleviated in most cases by medication. Symptoms can include confusion; inability to concentrate, to think abstractly, or to plan; thought disorder to the point of raving babble; delusions and hallucinations; and variations such as paranoia. Untreated, the disease is ravaging. Its victims cannot work or care for themselves. They may think they are other people – usually historical or cultural characters such as Jesus Christ or John Lennon – or otherwise lose their sense of identity. They find it hard or impossible to live with others, and they may become hostile and threatening. They can end up living in the most degraded, shocking circumstances, voiding in their own clothes, living in rooms overrun by rodents – or in the streets. They often deteriorate physically, losing weight and suffering corresponding malnutrition, rotting teeth and skin sores. They become particularly vulnerable to injury and abuse.
    Tormented by voices, or in the grip of paranoia, they may commit suicide or violence upon others. Becoming suddenly threatening, or bearing a weapon because of delusionally perceived need for self-protection, the innocent schizophrenic may be shot down by police. Depression from the illness, without adequate stability — often as the result of premature release — is also a factor in suicides. Such victims are prisoners of their illness. Their personalities are subsumed by their distorted thoughts. They cannot think for themselves and cannot exercise any meaningful liberty. The remedy is treatment — most essentially, medication. In most cases, this means involuntary treatment because people in the throes of their illness have little or no insight into their own condition. If you think you are Jesus Christ or an avenging angel, you are not likely to agree that you need to go to the hospital.
    Anti-treatment advocates insist that involuntary committal should be limited to cases of imminent physical danger — instances where a person is going to do bodily harm to himself or to somebody else. But the establishment of such “dangerousness” usually comes too late — a psychotic break or loss of control, leading to violence, happens suddenly. And all the while, the victim suffers the ravages of the illness itself, the degradation of life, the tragic loss of individual potential.
    The anti-treatment advocates say: “If that’s how people want to live (babbling on a street corner, in rags), or if they wish to take their own lives, they should be allowed to exercise their free will. To interfere — with involuntary commital — is to deny them their civil liberties.” Whether or not anti-treatment advocates actually voice such opinions, they seem content to sacrifice a few lives here and there to uphold an abstract doctrine. Their intent, if noble, has a chilly, Stalinist justification — the odd tragedy along the way is warranted to ensure the greater good. The notion that this doctrine is misapplied escapes them. They merely deny the nature of the illness. Health (Official) Elizabeth Cull appears to have fallen into the trap of this juxtaposition. She has talked about balancing the need for treatment and civil liberties, as if they were opposites. It is with such a misconceptualization that anti-treatment lobbyists promote legislation loaded with administative and judicial obstacles to involuntary committal.
    The result, will be a certain number of illness-caused suicides every year, just as surely as if those people were lined up annually in front of a firing squad. Add to that the broader ravages of the illness, and keep in mind the manic depressives who also have a high suicide rate. A doubly ironic downstream effect: the inappropriate use of criminal prosectuion against the mentally ill, and the attendant cruelty of commital to jails and prisons rather than hospitals. Corrections officials once estimated that almost one third of adult offenders and close to half of the young offenders in the correction system have a diagnosable mental disorder.
    Clinical evidence has now indicated that allowing schizophrenia to progress to a psychotic break lowers the possible level of future recovery, and subsequent psychotic breaks lower that level further – in other words, the cost of withholding treatment is permanent damage. Meanwhile, bureaucratic road-blocks, such as time consuming judicial hearings, are passed off under the cloak of “due process” – as if the illness were a crime with which one is being charged and hospitalization for treatment is punishment. Such cumbersome restraints ignore the existing adequate safeguards – the requirement for two independent assessments and a review panel to check against over-long stays. How can such degradation and death — so much inhumanity — be justified in the name of civil liberties? It cannot. The opposition to involuntary committal and treatment betrays profound misunderstanding of the principle of civil liberties. Medication can free victims from their illness — free them from the Bastille of their psychosis — and restore their dignity, their free will and the meaningful exercise of their liberties.
    (PDF VERSION)
    (THE ENTIRE LEFT HAND CORNER OF THE FRONT PAGE INFORMATION IS DEDICATED TO THIS)
    The Vancouver Sun July 22, 1993
    Reprinted with permission. Copyright 1993 The Vancouver Sun. All rights reserved.

    Problem
    People with serious mental illness account for a disproportionate share of suicides, homelessness, violence, and incarceration.
    • 18% of population over 18 (43 million) has ‘any’ mental illness.
    • 4% of population over 18 (10 million) have ‘serious’ mental illness (SMI). This site focuses on serious mental illness.
    • 2 million mentally ill go untreated
    • One-third of homeless are mentally ill (200,000)
    • 16% of incarcerated (300,000) have mental illness
    • 1,000 homicides a year are committed by mentally ill
    • 10-17% of seriously mentally ill kill themselves
    • $15 billion is spent incarcerating mentally ill
    • Random acts of violence by minority are tarring the majority.
    Five Policies that Save Money, Improve Care, and Keep Public and Patients Safer
    • 5 POINT PLAN FOR OBAMA TO REDUCE VIOLENCE BY PERSONS WITH MENTAL ILLNESS
    • Spend smarter: Spend on mental “illness” not mental “health”. (Video of untreated schizophrenia)
    • Use Assisted Outpatient Treatment (court ordered outpatient treatment) for those with a history of violence dangerousness or multiple rehospitalizations due to noncompliance.
    • Reform involuntary commitment laws so they prevent violence, rather than require it.
    • Reform Medicaid law to preserve psychiatric hospitals (eliminate the IMD Exclusion)
    • People found Not Guilty By Reason of Insanity and unfit to stand trial should receive mandated treatment
    Are people with mental illness more violent?
    If you are talking about the 40-50% of Americans who may have a “diagnosable mental disorder” during their lifetime (18% annually), then ‘no’, the mentally ill are not more violent than others.
    If you are talking about the 4% of Americans with the most serious mental illnesses that affect daily functioning–primarily schizophrenia and treatment-resistant bipolar disorder, then ‘no’, the mentally ill are not more violent than others.
    If you are talking about the subset of the 4% group who go off treatment that has previously prevented them from being psychotic, hospitalized, or violent, then ‘yes’ the mentally ill are more violent than others. This higher than normal rate of violence increases even more when these groups abuse substances. When people ask, “Are the mentally ill more violent”, they are usually asking about this group, the most seriously mentally ill who are not in treatment.
    What can make people with serious mental illness become violent?
    Short video: Consumers with untreated schizophrenia interviewed

    Violence is almost always associated with going off treatment and becoming delusional or psychotic. There are many reasons people with serious mental illness go off treatment. Some reasons are not unique to mental illness while others are. (They have this right as the withdrawal symptoms from ALL psychiatric drugs can, and usually do, induce psychosis that continually goes unrecognized by doctors, psychiatrists, and mental healthcare workers. I became extremely homicidal during SSRI withdrawals.)
    The ability to regulate behavior is compromised because the brain is the organ affected.
    Anosognosia: Up to 50% of people with schizophrenia and many with bipolar lack insight: they are so sick they don’t know they are sick (anosognosia).
    Costs/Side Effects: Some refuse treatment because of costs, side effects, lack of support, etc.
    Civil Liberties: A misunderstanding of civil liberties, the nature of mental illness, combined with misinformation leads us to protect the right of the psychotic to ‘die with their rights on’ rather than mandating violence preventing treatments that can restore free will.

    Reaction to hallucinations and delusions. When people with serious mental illness act out, they are often doing so as a logical reaction to their delusions, hallucinations, and paranoia. If you think someone is the Devil and trying to kill you, you will try to hurt them first.
    Misplaced Funding: Most money spent goes to improving mental ‘health’ not treating mental “illness”. People with serious mental illness are usually sent to the end of the line, rather than the front. The ability to get services is inversely related to need, therefore people with serious mental illness find it difficult to get services. Mental health providers often discriminate against highly symptomatic people with serious mental illnesses.
    Discussion
    Almost everyone has issues with involuntary commitment and involuntary treatment. This site rather than saying “it’s a difficult issue” and dropping it, attempts to study the science and law to come up with policies that balance the right of patients to have freedom, their right to receive treatment, the public’s right to safety, and sound fiscal policy. And while not advocating mass institutionalization, we recognize that the dearth of hospital beds has caused mass incarceration.

  • http://mentalillnesspolicy.org/ (This is unedited, and copied exactly as it appears) Comments in (parenthesis are mine) Given the tragic recent mass shootings, again, in Oregon, why is America still prosecuting Schizophrenics to the Public in this light? This portrayal of schizophrenic’s is so disturbing it’s difficult for me to read this because I know it’s not the truth. And knowing full well how not only suicidal I became, but, extremely homicidal for 5 months following ‘cold turkey’ withdrawals from Effexor & Trazodone, and the Mood Stablizer Lithium, and I’ve never been ‘labeled’ schizophrenic in my life. I had never been this disturbed, distressed, or psychotic before in my life unless you take into account the world of pure terror, mental torture and psychosis I experienced from a Klonopin ‘cold turkey’ withdrawal only I did not become homicidal during this at all, I was too emotionally and mentally impaired. However, if there had been a gun in my house during this horrific withdrawal I most certainly would have used it to kill myself. In fact, the suffering was so ungodly intense, I prayed for one every second of every minute of every day for a many, many weeks. It still haunts me years later…

    (THIS IS THE HEADING ON THE FRONT PAGE OF THIS EXTENSIVE WEBSITE)

    Learn why seriously mentally ill people receive such poor care and the policies that can improve care; save money; and keep public and patients safer. Read “Uncivil Liberties” first… then left hand column and work your way across.

    Uncivil liberties
    Far from respecting civil liberties, legal obstacles to treating the mentally ill limit or destroy the liberty of the person
    By Herschel Hardin
    (PDF VERSION)
    Herschel Hardin is an author and consultant. He was a member of the board of directors of the Civil Liberties Association from 1965 to 1974, and has been involved in the defense of liberty and free speech through his work with Amnesty International. One of his children has schizophrenia.
    The public is growing increasingly confused by how we treat the mentally ill. More and more, the mentally ill are showing up in the streets, badly in need of help. Incidents of illness-driven violence are being reported regularly, incidents which common sense tells us could easily be avoided. And this is just the visible tip of the greater tragedy – of many more sufferers deteriorating in the shadows and often, committing suicide.

    People asked in perplexed astonishment: ” Why don’t we provide the treatment, when the need is so obvious?” Yet every such cry of anguish is met with the rejoinder that unrequested intervention is an infringement of civil liberties. This stops everything.

    Civil Liberties, after all, are a fundamental part of our democratic society. The rhetoric and lobbying results in legislative obstacles to timely and adequate treatment, and the psychiatric community is cowed by the anti-treatment climate produced. Here is the Kafkaesque irony: Far from respecting civil liberties, legal obstacles to treatment limit or destroy the liberty of the person. The best example concerns schizophrenia.

    The most chronic and disabling of the major mental illnesses, schizophrenia involves a chemical imbalance in the brain, alleviated in most cases by medication. Symptoms can include confusion; inability to concentrate, to think abstractly, or to plan; thought disorder to the point of raving babble; delusions and hallucinations; and variations such as paranoia. Untreated, the disease is ravaging. Its victims cannot work or care for themselves. They may think they are other people – usually historical or cultural characters such as Jesus Christ or John Lennon – or otherwise lose their sense of identity. They find it hard or impossible to live with others, and they may become hostile and threatening. They can end up living in the most degraded, shocking circumstances, voiding in their own clothes, living in rooms overrun by rodents – or in the streets. They often deteriorate physically, losing weight and suffering corresponding malnutrition, rotting teeth and skin sores. They become particularly vulnerable to injury and abuse.

    Tormented by voices, or in the grip of paranoia, they may commit suicide or violence upon others. Becoming suddenly threatening, or bearing a weapon because of delusionally perceived need for self-protection, the innocent schizophrenic may be shot down by police. Depression from the illness, without adequate stability — often as the result of premature release — is also a factor in suicides. Such victims are prisoners of their illness. Their personalities are subsumed by their distorted thoughts. They cannot think for themselves and cannot exercise any meaningful liberty. The remedy is treatment — most essentially, medication. In most cases, this means involuntary treatment because people in the throes of their illness have little or no insight into their own condition. If you think you are Jesus Christ or an avenging angel, you are not likely to agree that you need to go to the hospital.
    Anti-treatment advocates insist that involuntary committal should be limited to cases of imminent physical danger — instances where a person is going to do bodily harm to himself or to somebody else. But the establishment of such “dangerousness” usually comes too late — a psychotic break or loss of control, leading to violence, happens suddenly. And all the while, the victim suffers the ravages of the illness itself, the degradation of life, the tragic loss of individual potential.

    The anti-treatment advocates say: “If that’s how people want to live (babbling on a street corner, in rags), or if they wish to take their own lives, they should be allowed to exercise their free will. To interfere — with involuntary commital — is to deny them their civil liberties.” Whether or not anti-treatment advocates actually voice such opinions, they seem content to sacrifice a few lives here and there to uphold an abstract doctrine. Their intent, if noble, has a chilly, Stalinist justification — the odd tragedy along the way is warranted to ensure the greater good. The notion that this doctrine is misapplied escapes them. They merely deny the nature of the illness. Health (Official) Elizabeth Cull appears to have fallen into the trap of this juxtaposition. She has talked about balancing the need for treatment and civil liberties, as if they were opposites. It is with such a misconceptualization that anti-treatment lobbyists promote legislation loaded with administative and judicial obstacles to involuntary committal.

    The result, …will be a certain number of illness-caused suicides every year, just as surely as if those people were lined up annually in front of a firing squad. Add to that the broader ravages of the illness, and keep in mind the manic depressives who also have a high suicide rate. A doubly ironic downstream effect: the inappropriate use of criminal prosectuion against the mentally ill, and the attendant cruelty of commital to jails and prisons rather than hospitals. Corrections officials once estimated that almost one third of adult offenders and close to half of the young offenders in the correction system have a diagnosable mental disorder.

    Clinical evidence has now indicated that allowing schizophrenia to progress to a psychotic break lowers the possible level of future recovery, and subsequent psychotic breaks lower that level further – in other words, the cost of withholding treatment is permanent damage. Meanwhile, bureaucratic road-blocks, such as time consuming judicial hearings, are passed off under the cloak of “due process” – as if the illness were a crime with which one is being charged and hospitalization for treatment is punishment. Such cumbersome restraints ignore the existing adequate safeguards – the requirement for two independent assessments and a review panel to check against over-long stays. How can such degradation and death — so much inhumanity — be justified in the name of civil liberties? It cannot. The opposition to involuntary committal and treatment betrays profound misunderstanding of the principle of civil liberties. Medication can free victims from their illness — free them from the Bastille of their psychosis — and restore their dignity, their free will and the meaningful exercise of their liberties.
    (PDF VERSION)
    (THE ENTIRE LEFT HAND CORNER OF INFORMATION IS DEDICATED TO THIS)
    The Vancouver Sun July 22, 1993
    Reprinted with permission. Copyright 1993 The Vancouver Sun. All rights reserved.

    Problem
    People with serious mental illness account for a disproportionate share of suicides, homelessness, violence, and incarceration.
    • 18% of population over 18 (43 million) has ‘any’ mental illness.
    • 4% of population over 18 (10 million) have ‘serious’ mental illness (SMI). This site focuses on serious mental illness.
    • 2 million mentally ill go untreated
    • One-third of homeless are mentally ill (200,000)
    • 16% of incarcerated (300,000) have mental illness
    • 1,000 homicides a year are committed by mentally ill
    • 10-17% of seriously mentally ill kill themselves
    • $15 billion is spent incarcerating mentally ill
    • Random acts of violence by minority are tarring the majority.
    Five Policies that Save Money, Improve Care, and Keep Public and Patients Safer
    • 5 POINT PLAN FOR OBAMA TO REDUCE VIOLENCE BY PERSONS WITH MENTAL ILLNESS
    • Spend smarter: Spend on mental “illness” not mental “health”. (Video of untreated schizophrenia)
    • Use Assisted Outpatient Treatment (court ordered outpatient treatment) for those with a history of violence dangerousness or multiple rehospitalizations due to noncompliance.
    • Reform involuntary commitment laws so they prevent violence, rather than require it.
    • Reform Medicaid law to preserve psychiatric hospitals (eliminate the IMD Exclusion)
    • People found Not Guilty By Reason of Insanity and unfit to stand trial should receive mandated treatment

    Are people with mental illness more violent?
    If you are talking about the 40-50% of Americans who may have a “diagnosable mental disorder” during their lifetime (18% annually), then ‘no’, the mentally ill are not more violent than others.
    If you are talking about the 4% of Americans with the most serious mental illnesses that affect daily functioning–primarily schizophrenia and treatment-resistant bipolar disorder, then ‘no’, the mentally ill are not more violent than others.

    If you are talking about the subset of the 4% group who go off treatment that has previously prevented them from being psychotic, hospitalized, or violent, then ‘yes’ the mentally ill are more violent than others. This higher than normal rate of violence increases even more when these groups abuse substances. When people ask, “Are the mentally ill more violent”, they are usually asking about this group, the most seriously mentally ill who are not in treatment.

    What can make people with serious mental illness become violent?
    Short video: Consumers with untreated schizophrenia interviewed

    Violence is almost always associated with going off treatment and becoming delusional or psychotic. There are many reasons people with serious mental illness go off treatment. Some reasons are not unique to mental illness while others are. (They have this right as the withdrawal symptoms from ALL psychiatric drugs can, and usually do, induce extreme distress and psychosis that continually goes unrecognized by doctors, psychiatrists, and mental healthcare workers. Only, the patient is then blamed, doctors claim it’s always due to their underlying mental disorder resurfacing when in fact, they are very severe withdrawal symptoms from the drug or drugs – plain and simple, yet highly ignored.)

    The ability to regulate behavior is compromised because the brain is the organ affected.
    Anosognosia: Up to 50% of people with schizophrenia and many with bipolar lack insight: they are so sick they don’t know they are sick (anosognosia).

    Costs/Side Effects: Some refuse treatment because of costs, side effects, lack of support, etc.
    Civil Liberties: A misunderstanding of civil liberties, the nature of mental illness, combined with misinformation leads us to protect the right of the psychotic to ‘die with their rights on’ rather than mandating violence preventing treatments that can restore free will.

    Reaction to hallucinations and delusions. When people with serious mental illness act out, they are often doing so as a logical reaction to their delusions, hallucinations, and paranoia. If you think someone is the Devil and trying to kill you, you will try to hurt them first.

    Misplaced Funding: Most money spent goes to improving mental ‘health’ not treating mental “illness”. People with serious mental illness are usually sent to the end of the line, rather than the front. The ability to get services is inversely related to need, therefore people with serious mental illness find it difficult to get services. Mental health providers often discriminate against highly symptomatic people with serious mental illnesses.

    Discussion
    Almost everyone has issues with involuntary commitment and involuntary treatment. This site rather than saying “it’s a difficult issue” and dropping it, attempts to study the science and law to come up with policies that balance the right of patients to have freedom, their right to receive treatment, the public’s right to safety, and sound fiscal policy. And while not advocating mass institutionalization, we recognize that the dearth of hospital beds has caused mass incarceration.
    Please Read Uncivil Liberties

  • I told myself to stop responding to these articles. I know everyone is getting sick of what I have to say but I have to comment to this. I’ve been psychiatrically drugged for decades, the last decade, the most deadly, because Klonopin was added to the mix of my cocktail (4-7 psychotropic drugs) If I didn’t know at my age (although I know full well now) that this deadly cocktail of drugs were causing all my iatrogenic illnesses: crippling depressions leading to multiple suicide attempts, emotionally deep uncontrollable crying spells (from SSRI withdrawal), heightened anxiety, chronic insomnia, excruciating migraines, severe mood swings, irritability = anger=violence=rage = homicidal ideations (benzo withdrawals), How in the world are our young people going to recognize that the drugs they’re taking are the cause of ALL their extreme suffering? Sadly, most don’t and this is when suicide looks very appealing to end a suffering they don’t understand. Because, during those last 10 years on those drugs, I didn’t either. I can’t even count how many times where one drug was abruptly cut off to make room for yet another one they prescribed throwing me into ungodly withdrawals that I didn’t understand. Psychiatric hospitals did this repeatedly, and while taking my psychiatric medicine over the decades I’ve spent alot of times there. And since withdrawing from ALL my psychiatric drugs, I haven’t been hospitalized – SINCE. Not once. This speaks for itself.

  • I don’t think it’s only the benzodiazepines that cause Treatment Resistant Depression. Of course, how would I really know when we patients who are victimized by our psychiatrists, and our local Community Mental Healthcare facilities (yes, us on Medicaid) are given our typical cocktail of 4-7 or more psychotropic drugs inducing depressions so severe that suicide becomes very appealing to end our suffering. Psychiatrists seem blinded when they blatantly see patients experiencing Benzodiazepine Tolerance Withdrawal symptoms: heightened anxiety, chronic insomnia, escalating alcohol use, unexplained excruciating migraines, diarrhea, violence, chronic fatigue, crippling depression, panic attacks leading to full blown agoraphobia when we’ve never been diagnosed with, or experienced this before leading to total separation/isolation from friends, family, society, and then – yourself. This is a horrible state of mind to be in. Yet, hey call this ‘Treatment’. Instead we are given yet more psychiatric drugs inducing yet more acute depressions until we become a revolving door to the psychiatric hospitals, emergency rooms, intensive care units, or jail.

    Since I’ve been off all my psych drugs I haven’t returned, not once, to any of those places. And I thank God for that. But I feel for those still suffering and believing as I did for decades that I indeed did have a ‘chemical imbalance’ whereas they used countless drugs to fix it, when in fact, they were killing me.

  • Thank you Tracy for your article. I recently started a petition for patients, or rather, victim’s of our local Community Mental Healthcare facility’s to sign. I shared my horror story of community mental health with Paula J. Caplan, I haven’t shared it here because I too, live on disability from my diagnosis and can’t afford to pay to post here right now. I literally live month to month. The problem with our Community Mental Health facilities that I’ve been involved with for over 30 years is that they prescribe the drugs, and heavily, but they will never help us get off them. They informed me, after 10+ years taking Klonopin it was ‘just fine’ to stop with out providing any support what so ever. So I did. I trusted them, and there are not enough words to describe the horror, and mental torture I endured at home, alone, while going through this withdrawal. In fact, they didn’t even believe what I experienced, it wasn’t up for discussion with my then therapist, and I was blamed. Because it was my decision to get off Klonopin, not theirs, after overdose after overdose they didn’t deem important enough to address. I was afraid I was going to actually die one of these times. My therapist actually told me “Sandy, you wouldn’t have went through what you did if you wouldn’t have taken all your Klonopin in the first place.” They also said they were not responsible, at all, for anything I experienced during that withdrawal because I signed a simple, one-page consent form (and I did). I was a transfer from the pscyh hospital in horrible shape and I taking 4 other psychotropic medications. I was so mentally impaired when I signed ALL the ‘consent’ forms I had no idea what a benzodiazepine or an anxiolytic was. And from that consent form they said that was information enough to inform me of the 50 horrendous Klonopin withdrawal symptoms I was going to experience one year later. I can’t even begin to tell you what the rest of my psychiatric drug withdrawals were like. That’s when my world fell out from under my feet for another 5 months of suicidal and homicidal severe ideations. So please, if you recommend your patients take drugs, do you research thoroughly like I have now done to know what your doing to your clients. And for God’s sake, if they decide to come off their drugs for any reason. Help them taper. I didn’t have that luxury and it almost cost me my life.

  • Thank you for posting your knowledge on psychiatric drugs. I love the technical explanations.

    This was just posted: “An Adequate Dose Clinicians are often faulted for failing to give an antidepressant medication at a high enough dose. What is “high enough”?

    Are you kidding me? Not a high enough dose? I am not a doctor, just an ex-patient who’s taken all the psychiatric drugs and experienced the emotional and mental disorders they induce and they are promoting this article on a Psychiatric website where “perhaps the dose isn’t high enough”. Are they trying to finish killing us off? Is ‘high enough’ when they’re stricken with akathesia, or a pyramid of other very serious adverse reactions and they want to take out their aggression’s with a gun? Is this considered ‘high enough’.

  • It’s unfortunate that I run into this problem over and over. I do not have the ‘required’ professional email address to gain access to this full article. It seems that if your a ‘no body’ you don’t deserve to know the truth. How many times have I come across this when researching psychiatric drugs on ‘professional’ scientific websites because I am neither a doctor nor a professional. Nor do I have the $39.95 required to read an article on benzodiazepine withdrawal written by a ‘so called’ professional. I am just the patient who miraculously survived years from taking psychiatric drugs. If I sound angry, it’s because I am. We ex-mental patients are still kept in the dark from knowing the truth. GSK will never take responsibility for anything. This has already been proven by previous lawsuits but it will be a happy day in America when ever anyone can bring them to their knees.

  • No they are not. Recently, there have been many article’s, peer review journals stating science is doing exactly this. Studying LSD, psilocybin and ketamine to treat mental disorders. So back in the 70’s when I was popping my hit of window pane or my mescaline, remember back when they said we were destroying brain cells by this, so it turns out what I was really doing was ‘taking my medicine’! Thank god, I was something right.

    I took these drugs back then to alleviate severe [PTSD] symptoms of a traumatic rape when I was 13, and it worked quite well. I was able to laugh again and feel human. But I am concerned with that it seems to me since we now know the current psychiatric drugs are really ineffective that big pharma is turning here for profit reasons only. How about psychiatry stop turning trauma symptoms, as they did in my case years later into Bipolar thus being heavily drugged for the next 35 years. And with devastating results to my physical and mental health. I’m actually very lucky to be alive from taking those drugs for decades.

  • Pharmaceutical companies under report, misreport, or simply neglect to accurately report side effects from taking our psychiatric drugs, or the extreme dangers while coming off them. At 58, and finally off my meds I am a calm, compassionate, caring person. On my drugs especially mixed with Klonopin I became a raging, psychotic, violent maniac. Enduring multiple, horrific psychiatric drug withdrawals I not only became suicidal but I became homicidal as well. I was planning on murder knowing I was going to die in the process. This is not normal thinking or behavior. They induced every mental disorder listed in the DSM including schizophrenia. When they refer to ‘mental instability’ this is such an understatement I can’t believe they’re allowed to say this. It was mental torture. I see very and understand extremely clearly why people kill themselves while taking the drugs or kill someone else. These psychiatric drugs are no laughing matter. And why they are given to children is beyond my comprehension. If I at my age (50-58) was not able to recognize and articulate my drug-induced crippling depressions, high anxiety, mania’s how on earth are we expected for children to understand why they feel the way they do? Sadly, most don’t. They commit suicide. All the while our doctors are telling us that what we’re experiencing is our own mental illness surfacing when it is nothing more than severe, debilitating withdrawal symptoms. Thus, blaming the patient even further. While piling on more drugs. This is completely insane to me. Off the drugs I now have a chance at living a quality filled life. I haven’t had that in over 35 years from taking my medicine that psychiatrists have prescribed.

  • This magnificent Conference was a life changing event for me. Had I still been taking all my psychiatric drugs at this time, attending and traveling too this event would have been impossible. I was simply too sick, too impaired, too depressed, and too suicidal from taking my medicines prescribed my my psychiatrist. Attending this event was a present I gave to myself after enduring the worst, mentally torturous, deadly psychiatric drug withdrawals I have ever endured in all of 58 years of living on this planet. Every one of the speakers were truly amazing! And a big heartfelt thank you goes to you Dr. Breggin for putting it all together. It gave me hope, strength, and love in my seemingly hopeless world.

  • Chantix is not the only drug that can induce suicidality or homicidality. I became so homicidal while withdrawing from Effexor, Trazodone & Lithium that it is amazing I did not kill someone. And believe me, I was doing all the planning necessary to carry it out. I am neither of these today, thank God! Why, you may ask? Because after 2 years of healing from my psychiatric drugs withdrawals, I am a normal person. But then, no one knows what normal is. But I’ll gladly the peace I have today over anything my life was like while ‘taking my medicine’.

  • If this ‘chemical imbalance’ was only a theory they most certainly forgot to tell me, my daughter and my granddaughter who have all been told this, and properly drugged to ‘fix’ it, with devastating results I may add. My daughter so firmly believes this I don’t know if I well ever be able to get her off her meds, or at least weened down. As for my grand daughter who was put on Zoloft at age 15, and then given an Abilify just to increase her weight threw me into a state of rage. Ever since going on Zoloft I have watched the spark from her eyes disappear along with her happy spontaneity. Because she so believes what her GP is telling her she refuses to end her addiction to Zoloft.

  • Amanda Hatfield posted this picture ( a pile of pills) to accompany the, September 17, 2015 article: ‘No Long-Term Effects of Antidepressant Use During Pregnancy’. She also says under this picture: “So I guess the key to my brain chemistry is somewhere in the mix here.”

    However, I believe it’s absolutely impossible for SSRI’s to NOT effect the growing brain in the fetus one way or another given how they effect the adult brain causing a chemical imbalance. Because Wiley writes literature for pharmaceutical companies how reliable can this article be? I don’t believe this information for a New York minute. I may be wrong for posting this. If I am, please let me know.

  • My heart bleeds for Mary knowing how the psychiatric hospital is going to treat her, with drugs. I recently sadly had to end all my involvement with a mental healthcare facility where I attended DBT classes, and absolutely my DBT therapist. But because I experienced a ‘fight or flight’ response in her office one day, unbeknownst to me, she called the Police to do a home check for my safety. I will NEVER allow this to happen again so I cut off ALL ties with them. The last time I put myself into a psychiatric hospital was because of after effects of a ‘cold turkey’ Klonopin withdrawal while going through Effexor, Trazodone, & Lithium ‘cold turkey’ withdrawals I not only became extremely suicidal but homicidal as well. I was afraid. I begged Forestview Hospital to treat me without using drugs, but they didn’t see it that way. I was given drug after drug, experiencing severe side effects with each one. And here’s the clincher where I went from voluntary to involuntary status. My psychiatrist told me that if I complained one more time about side effects that he was going to start injecting them. So I complied. I was scared. I was now court ordered to take them- forced. I was so re-addicted to Ambien by the time I left went home while in drug induced Ambien haze my house catches fire and burns to the ground and I have no insurance. And who cares? No one. I will NEVER, EVER set foot into another psychiatric hospital and FORCED to take drugs I don’t want. Even if this means to never, ever setting foot in another mental healthcare facility again for any reason. God help you Mary…

  • Perhaps Dr. Benbow would like a copy of the ‘real’ results of Study 329:

    Dr. Benbow: “We have been asked by the regulatory authorities to provide all our information related to suicides and I can tell you the data that we provide to them clearly shows no link between Seroxat and an increased risk of suicide – no link.”
    BBC reporter asked Dr. Benbow if he was “absolutely confident” that Dr. Healy is wrong on this issue and will be shown to be wrong?”
    Dr. Benbow replied: “Yes, absolutely. Not only that but Doctor Healy has made the same claims about a range of other medicines. He made the same claims about Prozac… [repeats]…he made the same claims about a range of other SSRIs. On every occasion he has been found to be wrong.”

  • Bonnie, I have had a front row seat in the Community Mental Healthcare field, as the patient, not a therapist or doctor for over 35 years, and I have never seen so much needless suffering in my life, myself included, from years of taking psychiatric drugs. No one knows, or listens, at how much we suffer at the hands of our psychiatrists. We spend entire lives battling the side effects, adverse reactions, and my god, the hellacious withdrawals that many don’t live through (my ‘cold turkey’ klonopin withdrawal almost killed me, from taking our so called ‘medicine’. I will be happy to read your book as soon as my disability check allows for such extravagant expenditures. Since withdrawing from all psychiatric drugs there is no mental illness lurking there. I am no differant from anyone else except that I gave up my entire life while doctors where busy trying to ‘fix’ this fictitious ‘chemical imbalance’ and I had to suffer in it’s wake.

  • Wonderful article. Well, I certainly am going to hope, and pray that with the resignation of Dr. Thomas Insel from the NIMH this will shake things up some. Actually, I’m hoping for an earthquake. Between Dr. David Healy posting results of Study 329 and this, I hope (there I go again) that it opens up the dialog between psychiatry, many professionals, and patients, such as myself. Who needs antidepressants with news such as this. And in the same day!

  • In July of 2013 when this article ran I was in the continual fight of my life enduring a ‘cold turkey’ Klonopin withdrawal that held me in the grips of the worst state of psychosis and mental torture imaginable for 6 horrendous weeks. I’m still not right 2 years later.

  • In July of 2013 when this article ran I was in the continual fight of my life enduring a ‘cold turkey’ Klonopin withdrawal that held me in the grips of the worst state of psychosis and mental torture imaginable for 6 horrendous weeks. I’m still not right 2 years later. All because my mental healthcare workers informed me it was ‘just fine’ to stop taking it abruptly. They couldn’t have been more wrong. There is not enough space to detail the devastation Klonopin has done in my life let alone list the 50 torturous symptoms I endured. . But I am thankful I’m reading it today. This I’m sure is the kind of hogwash my community mental healthcare providers read and believe. Because they never believed me when I told them what my experience was, ever…

  • I recently discovered clinical studies done on children for children and adolescents: This is taken exactly from the text. Celexa – no therapeutic effect between citalipram and placebo. Lamictal – pharmacokenetics for Lamictal on babies (1-24 months) This should be illegal! Provigal – 6-16 yrs, study failed, nothing was concluded. Risperdal for Irritability Associated with Autism Disorder – There are no controled data to support longer term treatment of Risperdal beyond 8 weeks in adolescents with schizophrenia. Zoloft 6-11 years – The following 12 pages that provided data concerning safety and efficacy have been deleted from view. All conclusions for this study have also been deleted from view. Meridia classified as an SNRI did show in this pediatric study 2 suicide attempts, suicide ideation, depression, accidental injury, and increased adverse Events. All conclusions and summaries have been deleted from view. Effexor 7-17 year olds – Executive Summary: Recomended ‘non-approvable’, failure to show efficacy over placebo for MDD and GAD. and finally, 2 clinical trials for Abilify 6-17 year old for Irritability Associated with Autistic Disorder – Conclusion and Summary: both studies FAILED. And we all know about Paxil 329. Then I researched just how many children and adolescents were being prescribed these drugs and the numbers were so astronomical I could not wrap my head around it. This to me is travesty, injustice, and cruel and unusual punishment society is putting our children through. Just unbelievable…..

  • What an article Mr. Gotzsche! As a (barely) psychiatric drug survivor I express my gratitude to you for exposing the truth about psychiatric drugs, and the pharmaceutical companies. I am well aware of the excruciating suffering from decades on meds while my psychiatrist was busy fixing my ‘chemically imbalanced’ mind only to drive me into complete insanity. Finally, 2 years ago I withdrew from all 4 of them ‘cold turkey’, not recommended. Klonopin being the absolute worst. When I read articles that you, Robert Whitaker, David Healy, and Dr. Peter Breggin write for the public, your also speaking for us, the patient, who had to suffer so horrifically at the hands of our psychiatrists and doctors. It’s truly a miracle that many of us are still alive. Thank you for fighting for us, and my grandchildren. (Although big pharma has already gotten ahold of her 3 years ago.) You were fantastic at the Empathy Conference. What a treat that was!
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  • Wow! What an emotional, exceptionally brave story Daisy! When I read stories that mirror my own (35 years of being poly drugged to almost death) it gives me hope in my own recovery. And hope was something I never had until I went off all psychiatric drugs 2 years ago, although still struggling intensely with insomnia, severe memory problems and cognitive impairment. Daisy, I hope your book will be available in the US. I need to read it. What an inspiration you are. At 58 years old now I am literally starting my life over. I was given my ‘life sentence’ by my very first psychiatrist at 23 after suffering PTSD from rape at 13 and kidnapped and raped at 20 where he turned my PTSD symptoms into bipolar which followed more than 35 years of suffering from taking so many psych drugs I can’t count. Thank you Daisy from the bottom of my heart for sharing your’e story.

  • Flibanserin is just another SSRI. It has been so well documented in all the literature I’ve read on psychiatric drugs and it’s plentiful that the main side effect of SSRI’s is sexual dysfunction. I’ve witnessed it in every person prescribed an SSRI, and in myself. Anyone, please look up how many American’s are on an SSRI, the numbers are staggering. This is marketing madness! Women not familiar with these types of drugs are going to have no idea of the side effects, adverse reactions, and especially the withdrawals. Of course, after your’e on them for any length of time, it’s going to have withdrawal symptoms and they are horrendous. I have been involved with the mental health care field for over 35 years as a patient and I hear, and have experienced myself the horrors of taking all the psychiatric drugs. Our psychiatrists or doctors do no inform patients of the true side effects, adverse reactions, and especially the withdrawals. They leave us to suffer.

  • Miss Laura, it’s absolutely amazing what your doing. I hope your including in the ‘withdrawal’ section for benzo’s you include the severe ‘cold turkey’ withdrawals which can be deadly. My mental health care workers informed me it was ‘just fine’ to stop my Klonopin after a 10 year addiction and I there isn’t enough space here for me to inform you of the mental torture I endured and then my Mental Health workers denied the 50 horrific symptoms what I experienced! They never uttered ONE word to me about possible withdrawal symptoms. Or provided any support what so ever. I was left to endure that withdrawal at home, completely alone.