Would you label someone who decided to dramatically change their hairstyle labile or psychotic? How about someone who shaves their head? Such questions may seem silly, but in the eyes of some mental health professionals such insignificant events may appear to be symptoms of a diagnosable “condition.” Clinicians are trained to search for abnormalities—pathologies—to explain suffering, and often they can label things as abnormal when they are not. But in reading into a person’s behavior and attaching a label to it, are we helping or hurting them? Does it solve the problems in a person’s life, or does it confine them in a mental box from which they can’t escape? Might not it be better to see the act of cutting one’s hair not as a sign of something wrong but exactly what it is: a decision without any particular symbolism, simply a moment on the journey of life? Wouldn’t it make more sense to step back and observe and support the journey itself?
This focus on individual pathology has a long history in the annals of mental health treatment. We at the Now I See a Person Institute (NISAPI) believe such conventional approaches often fail because they are adversarial: They set up a struggle between the “identified patient” and the persons and systems “treating” them. According to most of our clients and their families, the first salvo is launched when they receive a diagnosis: They are labeled ill, and treatment is framed as a battle against this illness. Here, the person becomes their diagnosis—in effect, both the victim and the enemy. Often, they are coerced into therapy in the first place, and because clinicians typically work “by the book” (according to treatment manuals with rules and algorithms), their “caregivers” appear more like jailers. Such clinicians monitor and admonish “wrong” thoughts and focus on the outcomes they want rather than what the client wants. After all, this is considered good practice.
For these clients, the battle is a fight to preserve their previous self-identity in the face of being told they have an incurable disease and will have to adjust to a life of limitations, hospitalizations, and medications. It is painful to hear their stories of the warlike events that led them to seek help in the first place, only to find that their search for wellness led to what they describe as forceful relationships with the appearance of therapy. This process attacks not only their self-identities but also their relationships with family members, friends, and even employers. Often, receiving a new identity of deficiency means they will no longer be heard: Because they have certain “symptoms” and are “sick,” their perspectives are now devalued significantly. They are The Other.
One of my mentors, psychologist Harry Goolishian—a pioneer in postmodern collaborative therapy—suggested that diagnoses can explain neither mental processes nor a person, and consequences arise when we think that they do. This element of “treatment,” based on a label from observed or stated symptoms, isolates the client from and within their families, who begin to doubt them even as they start to doubt themselves, often leading to suicidal feelings— or worse.
How Did This Happen?
This wasn’t always the case, particularly among marriage and family therapists who from the beginning strongly believed that problems do not originate inside a person. Our field initially brought a unique perspective, viewing mental illness or health in the context of larger relational systems. We saw the entire family unit, and other relational systems, as important contributors to why people have “symptoms” in the first place. More importantly, we asked how these relational communities can be a source of support and aid in the dissolution of those symptoms. The “identified patient” didn’t have discrete pathology but was seen as part of those larger systems that, unintentionally, created pathology. Thus, we believed “You can’t heal a person without involving the entire system.” However, there was now a blame-and-shame component affixed upon the family. In essence, one pathology replaced another.
Such relational theories evolved into a postmodern revolution, steering us away from the idea of blaming and “fixing” pathology toward changing our use of language and our relationships so new narratives could be born. Change could occur in many directions when disabling labels were removed, environments adjusted, and relationships healed. A fresh breath of hope could emerge in a collaborative search not for what was wrong but for what could be made right. We made conversational space for the novel, the “not yet said.” For some of us, these decades held joy in walking with people, participating in and with-nessing their transformation from a collection of labels and symptoms to a person. A person who no longer feared themselves nor their families and ultimately viewed themselves as emotionally whole—what we refer to as Extraordinarily Normal.
And yet, over the past 40 or 50 years, this relational view of suffering and healing has been overshadowed by the individualized medical model and a new resurgence of focusing on “what is wrong” with someone rather than “what happened” to them. Marriage and family therapists again began treating people as individuals damaged by disease instead of as parts of a bigger whole needing help, to be heard and supported as people in the context of relationships.
There was even a point at which therapists encouraged clients to sever important connections — to disown their “toxic” family completely by writing a letter to their parents. It was the opinion of these well-meaning therapists, educated in cutting-edge theories, that the lives of the people already isolated by their pain would be better off without these relationships. I recall that individuals who had participated in this type of treatment were often suicidal afterward. What was deemed a “best practice” at the time had unintentionally destroyed a family and the lives within it.
With this trend, an understanding of how relationships engender “symptoms,” along with the dialogue of hope and healing for the majority, became lost. Pediatricians, primary care physicians, school personnel, family lawyers, and ancillary services in turn began following the “modern” medicalized procedure of seeking out pathology and treating it. We saw a resurgence of medication, hospitalization, and/or long-term therapy (for those whose symptoms persisted or whose trauma did not adequately explain the severity of their symptoms).
Toward a Collaborative, Human Approach
When people seeking help are automatically seen through a lens of pathology, deficiency, and blame (of their thoughts, feelings, behaviors, and/or genes), they are relegated to the status of “Other.” How can they then be expected to form a “therapeutic alliance” with a professional who views them and their experiences as alien and suspect? How can they be truthful, and how can they not be frightened? Whom can they trust when they already trust no one, even themselves? Without input and collaboration, their therapy may devolve into coercion and oppression.
People who suffer regularly share with us how seeking services to alleviate their pain led them to different forms of therapy they neither understood nor agreed with, typically including medications and hospitalizations that they felt were more, yes more, traumatic than their original suffering and symptoms. We at NISAPI work with many such clients and their families, and I’ve pondered how they are able to eventually transcend so much pain. I believe it may be due not only to our philosophy and environment but also to the fact that they no longer feel abused and like they are fighting for their lives. As mentioned earlier, clients have and continue to describe their previous treatment journeys as “warlike,” a metaphor they tell us no longer applies when we first embrace the Other.
We believe all clients can and should heal from their symptoms or diagnoses and have found that authentically embracing clients as honored guests— human beings who are suffering and in need of services that address their urgencies —leads to relationships and conversations that produce sustainable change. These dialogues are not manualized techniques; they are spontaneous and genuine, directed by the client and their desires. Together we also consider the desires of their communities—even the ones they do not feel aligned with (relatives, referral systems, judicial systems).
These collaborative dialogical practices are based on listening with no agenda but to aid healing. Collectively we talk of change and how it can occur. We are client-led, honoring client narratives and self-directed goals. Hope is inherent and ever-present when illness narratives about broken brains are absent. In being with people during extremely difficult times, we do not see weakness or brokenness but heroes and heroines whose tenacity and strength we celebrate.
An important part of this process is being transparent with clients. By this we mean reacting sincerely and spontaneously to what they share, listening without judgment as their partner and support system—including being open about what we do not know—rather than playing the role of the all-knowing therapist. Being transparent allows people to blossom and shed their labels. We witness a personal reframing, as a client recently called it, and with the shedding of illness narratives life now appears hope-filled and just. Our job as therapists is to carry the faith for clients because we trust in them and their process, believing that something good will always come out of our engagement with the Other when they develop novel and fresh narratives about themselves.
When we talk to clients who are at the end of their rope and just want to die, how do we keep them holding on—especially a young person with less life experience and control over their world? In collaborative dialogues, little by little we start to talk about things that are not problem-based, but life-based. We need to get to know each other. No matter who we are, sometimes the people around us are not supportive, even though they’re people we love. And we get stuck in the trap of our surroundings and ensuing difficulties, unable to climb out of the mire and muck. So, our “delusions,” substance misuse, self-harm, withdrawal, or whatever situation we’re in seem like a solution. What we need are people who care and have time to listen. This is the antithesis of trying to control “the identified patient.”
As collaborative dialogical therapists and social constructionists who believe we create our reality, nothing is ever planned or thought out before the session. We don’t have an idea of what we will say or talk about except how not to do further harm. We are using the tools we have in our hearts and our heads to come up with ideas on how we can alleviate our clients’ collective pain. We are formed and informed by this Other’s reality. Here, therapy is like sitting at a big table with a box of puzzle pieces, where therapist and client work in the moment to fit the pieces together to complete the puzzle. Pretty soon, you can both see the outlines of a picture and the direction in which the new narrative is going, empowering the client with renewed self-agency. As a person and not a label.
But when therapy begins not with a landscape yet to be discovered but with a pre-existing image based on symptoms and labels, it takes the client’s personhood away. When we focus on these symptoms and labels, the person’s life and its meaning get erased from the canvas. For too long, we have allowed others— psychologists, psychiatrists, therapists, social workers, judges—to paint a picture of people that is based on a small glimpse of their lives. And we’re allowing these “experts” to reduce people to their “symptoms.” There is no logic to that process.
When someone comes to the table with trauma, suffering or in an extreme state, it is so important to be with that person, to listen with a mind devoid of pre-existing ideas on what they should or should not do. Only with support and unwavering caring, along with an attempt to understand the Other’s suffering and a commitment to epistemic justice, do people change and blossom.
As mentioned, many of our clients have told us that while receiving contemporary mainstream mental health treatment, it is a war simply to be seen and treated as a person. The following case examples honor the experiences of people who identify as victims of coercion, oppression, and acts that they described as violent and also celebrate the positive outcomes we have achieved in literally and figuratively walking side by side with them on a healing journey. Their names have been changed to protect their privacy.
Kelly was referred by a colleague after three consecutive back-to-back hospitalizations and significant symptoms of “psychosis” such as hallucinations and delusions of grandeur. She stated that clinicians explained her rapid reoccurrences by accusing her of not taking her medicine. The hospitalizations left her and her family extremely traumatized. Her mother recalled being shocked at seeing Kelly being taken away in restraints by ambulance and then placed in a locked holding cell in one of a hospital’s emergency rooms. She was prescribed antipsychotic medications and therapy with a clinician she was frightened of and who would not speak with her mother.
After these unsuccessful inpatient admissions, Kelly’s mother decided she would not hospitalize her daughter again and would instead care for her by herself. Kelly and her mom were told Kelly was schizophrenic and warned that she “would never be cured, would need medicine for the rest of her life, and would have to learn to live with her disability.” The clinicians also advised her mother that she would need to place Kelly into conservatorship (guardianship) because she was not responding to medications, hospitalizations, or therapy and therefore was incapable of running her own affairs. Kelly’s mother duly administered the prescribed medications, which only heightened her daughter’s fears and did not reduce her “delusions.” She felt hopeless and distraught at seeing Kelly suffering and felt powerless to take care of her. She left her job to search for alternatives.
She and Kelly came to the Now I See A Person Institute in March 2022 and were met with a very different experience: a team of therapists who talked with them. They appreciated the presence of our horses and the natural setting but what Kelly really wanted was people to talk to who would understand her beliefs and ideas, which others had called delusions. She came to the ranch two to three days a week and we spoke with her mom most days at any hour we were needed. Despite conversations that initially made little sense to her mother, we were able to discuss many themes and, through this process, learned of Kelly’s history of suffering— starting in middle school and ending in a horrifying event prior to her display of symptoms.
What we believe we did to help Kelly, her mother, and the rest of her family (with whom we met occasionally), was to engage in client-driven, authentic, and caring conversations. We call this relational engagement process ethics. We did not talk about schizophrenia or learning skill sets. Instead, Kelly experienced a team of therapists who cared about what she and her mother wanted to talk about and who had the time to listen. Within these collaborative conversations, she came to no longer believe she was “a schizophrenic” and does not fear becoming one.
As time passed and Kelly felt more confident she would be okay, our conversations became increasingly fluid, eloquent, and philosophical. Words of fear and regret were replaced by words of confidence, hope, freedom, and happiness. She views the challenges and “symptoms” she once had as part of a process of letting go of previous traumas.
Since June of this year, Kelly has been completely symptom-free and recently started college. She has learned to drive and has been employed, although she decided she wants to devote her time to school. She is also off all psychoactive medicine. Kelly remarked that the psychiatrist who titrated her off the anti-psychotic drug she was on had shared that she was “sad” Kelly was “schizophrenic.” Kelly was initially frightened by such words, since she had not heard them since beginning sessions with our team.
Kelly told us what she found most helpful: having an environment where she could feel safe and respected despite her symptoms and our belief that the state she was in was a transitional time and not a chronic disease. She said this hope for change and a future that she could define was important in overcoming her initial fears that she would not recover. She further stated that the relationship with her therapeutic team, focused on non-judgment and care, gave her the courage to surpass her former self and transform because she knew she was not alone in her journey.
Nancy, a teen, was referred to us by colleagues last year due to self-harm associated with “psychosis” and “multiple personality/dissociative disorder.” She had been hospitalized several times before coming to NISAPI. Nancy had experienced significant trauma but was also part of a family in which several members had been diagnosed with schizophrenia. Several clinicians had told her and her parents that she, too, suffered from this “severe mental illness.” She came to us feeling hopeless that she could escape the implications of this diagnosis and predicted she would kill herself before her symptoms worsened. Her parents didn’t know how to help; by that point, they feared mental health service providers because these professionals had previously reported them to Child Protective Services.
During this scary time, Nancy and her parents (who lived nearly three hours away from the ranch) would visit us three days a week. We spent many hours following the conversations wherever they led. Her father, for example, had grown up on a ranch and loved to sit drinking coffee and chatting about world affairs. Conversations need to address novel topics like this to facilitate lifelong change. Nancy, like Kelly, talked about what was important to her (not what we may have thought or assumed was important to her). Because her past narratives had been about suicide, we were careful to ensure that she was safe with her parents. In time, as with the majority of our clients, her desire to harm herself dissipated because she was not alone in her thoughts and she stopped seeing her life as hopeless.
After a few months of working with us, Nancy started in-person high school close to her home. At first, she was worried she would not make friends. She proved herself wrong and has a social life that she had never thought possible. She no longer exhibits any suicidal ideation or self-harm and told us she does not see herself as a label or as having any mental illness. She has hope and direction (probably more direction than I did at her age)! Nancy has decided she will not be returning to the ranch unless she is off school. We now offer her telehealth, but she is often too busy to connect!
Cindy and her family came to us after several incidents in which Child Protective Services had removed her from her home due to suicidal ideation and the fact that her parents did not wish to medicate her. Because of their refusal, they were deemed negligent. She was placed into foster care and also experienced forced hospitalization and time in residential “treatment” centers.
Starting in middle school up until last year, Cindy had been hospitalized more times than we have heard to date. She told us that the multiple hospitalizations were mainly due to her talking with her teachers about not wishing to live. She was bullied a lot and found school difficult but had learned in therapy not to trust her parents. So instead, she turned to school staff: teachers, counselors, psychologists, and therapists. These professionals deduced there must be additional neglect for Cindy to be feeling so much distress and reported her parents to authorities. She and her family were watching TV when she was removed from their home. Cindy eventually came to equate disclosing her feelings with being hospitalized and her inability to prevent this led her to believe she had a mental illness.
Cindy and her family reported that therapy at NISAPI led to family reunification and this, in turn, led to the cessation of her symptoms. They told us that their conversations had allowed each family member to find support and feel heard and validated. In turn, their relationships became so much stronger, and Cindy’s behavior changed so much, that “the system” allowed her to move back in with her family.
Today, Cindy still shows none of the symptoms that led to her previous diagnoses. She is attending her final year in high school and preparing for college (she missed her family when away and is in no hurry to leave the area). Right now, she wants to pass her driver’s license test, hang with friends, and pursue her new hobbies. Her new sense of empowerment, she told us, has given her the belief that she can participate in sports that she would have never considered before. Most importantly, she no longer believes her distress was a sign of pathology and says she never wants to be inside a hospital again!
Tim was referred to us by a colleague. His biological parent was diagnosed with schizophrenia when Tim was a toddler, although this parent did not raise him. A couple of weeks ago, he became symptomatic with “delusions” and is currently experiencing what we simply call challenges. Tim is not suicidal and has never been hospitalized, but his symptoms worry his family due to his biological parent’s history. We talk with Tim and his family every day. In times when parents or the person experiencing the symptoms are fearful, we talk to them as often as possible. There are no other rules other than not harming people by using words or labels associated with pathology or discussing other themes that imply change cannot occur.
Tim and his parents have already told us they are hopeful. This is because our conversations are not about the “psychotic symptoms” but about the people in his family and what each one would like to see happen. As a team (we always work as two or more therapists) we are learning at this client’s pace what it is important for us to know. We are not looking to identify an event that “caused” Tim’s problems. Rather, we are interested in helping him and his parents to appreciate that events happen, then pass, solutions eventually arise, and life goes on productively. Right now, Tim says he feels safe and that he believes in time he will become who he wants to be.
Hope for the Future
For these and many other families like them, the trauma of seeking services far outweighed the original trauma that led to emotional distress and worrisome symptoms. In each case (except Tim’s), themes of fear, victimization, and powerlessness came up in our non-directed conversations; we addressed them by building trust, offering options instead of directions, and sharing power as equal persons. As the stories show, and our decades of research confirm, when people are heard and validated they stop feeling hopeless. Little by little, they see for themselves that there is life beyond past or current trauma.
A larger question remains, however: How, at the local level, can the coercion and resulting feelings of oppression and violence that clients self-report be recognized and changed? Although we do not yet have the answer to this wider challenge, we believe that sharing a glimpse of our clients’ stories will raise awareness across the mental health field.
* Additional contributors: Joanna Buickians, LMFT; Emma Wilson, MSW; and David Abramovitch, LMFT
Editor’s Note: Transcripts of the interviews from which these case studies were taken can be found on the NISAPI website. The podcast versions are available on Podbean.
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I wonder how much it costs to be see as a person. I’m sure I can’t afford it.
KateL says, “I wonder how much it cost to be seen as a person. I’m sure I can’t afford it.”
That’s saying a mouthful.
Shedding “Severe Mental Illness” labels doesn’t go far enough. The whole “mental health” industry deserves to be SHREDDED –
This article proves that the answers aren’t in assigning “psychiatric diagnoses” or prescribing “psychiatric medications”. The answers are found in creating safe places where people feel safe enough to air their thoughts and feelings. It’s that rare commodity known as HUMAN DECENCY, which should exist first and foremost in a person’s home AND NOT COST A DIME —
There’s one thing you can be sure of in this life: wherever there’s a need, there’ll always be some jackass who’ll to find a way to make a buck off it. And don’t be fooled by anyone’s so-called “qualifications”, as universities are no longer the neutral marketplace of ideas – they’ve become the marketplace of certification and financification in the fields of conformity and exploitation, something more commonly known as “the mental health industry” —
I doubt any of us can. From my experience in the troubled teen industry and in their affiliated RTCs, it costs a lot more than money. I’d rather be not seen by them than to be “seen as a person”.
Good morning from CA,
This is Susan. Emma kindly read the comments to me last night. I shared with her last night that I was happy we could provide a format for conversations about very difficult themes. Some of our days are quite busy and I did not have time to comment. I will try the best I can to represent your ideas and ours. Now I See A Person Institute is a nonprofit with no ties to the Troubled Teen Industry other than we hope to help prevent people from entering into it. We are not up to date with the abbreviations but I assume RTC’s are residential treatment programs. We are not and I have not been affiliated with anything like this for almost 4 decades. As some of you have read I was trained in a much different manner and Now I See A Person continues to do this the same way. We see people not clients, we see trauma and suffering and not labels, and we want to try our best to help collectively find ways for the trauma to cease as well as the suffering. We wish to see people live their best life that they want.
LOL – KateL – my thoughts exactly
KateL, you have become my favorite poster, thank you.
Same goes double for me.
From my own background knowledge, I am concerned that this organization is heavily affiliated with the troubled teen industry.
Please disprove. I found this from your website:
“Now I See A Person Institute attempts to prevent the Troubled Teen Industry through strength based therapy of what is right rather than wrong”
Is this a fancily worded disclaimer? Or are you genuinely outside of the tti umbrella?
Hi anotherone, Yes we are outside of the tti umbrella. We only know about the tti because our clients have come to us after residential umbrellas. We do not partner with anyone. I can understand, to the best I can, the concerns because we have heard many narratives about horses being used in these formats. Anyone can continue to ask questions or if they wish to dialogue with us off line at [email protected]. We welcome dialogue. But I also see these comments here as a place to safely dialogue as well. Everyone I have talked to, who have been involved in treatment they have found violent, has their own narrative and we hope NISAPI is a place where these stories are honored and heard safely.
There were quite a few indicators that this organization is the very same TTI affiliated feeder program I had heard about, but none so glaring as this quote from your website..
“… All the research points to seeing and treating our clients as human beings and not an illness leads to complete and sustainable recovery. Can you say something here taken from the MAD in America article of which we have a link
In 2018 we expanded our services to family and life coaching programs to create generational and inter-generational change for under-served populations experiencing trauma, severe family conflict, and parental alienation. where can we add this?”
Diamond Ranch Academy? This you, natsap? A tti by another name smells just as fishy…
Honorable mention to these quotes:
“No horses are ridden. No horses are physically used. Instead horses create a therapeutic backdrop of natural, nurturing, and healing relationships within conversation formed between clients’…
“…We believe that horses give us an legitimacy as therapists because maybe people can begin to trust us as therapists more as we take good care of the horses. What we see is a beautiful chorus of love that occurs of trust and safety for clients to heal and it’s also a win-win situation for the horses as they get love and attention all day long….”
The TTI never shuts down, they rebrand and reopen. They are now scrambling for clout. This is a billion dollar per year industry seeking to recoup their lost revenue. Survivors finally have federal and societal oversight. MIA, please don’t get duped
Maybe we should cut out the middle man and just hire horses to do therapy with us. A lot less “countertransference” to deal with that way, as we know the horse has no hidden agendas!
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The issue of “countertransference” is one more bullshit word the MH system drags out and makes a big deal out of when all it is is something that happens in every relationship, the only difference being in “therapy” you’re expected to pay someone who’s often acting’s like a horse’s ass. Personally I prefer telling someone who’s acting like a horse’s ass where to go and how to get there without having to whip out a check while being given yet another goddamn label, or insulted in some other mindlessly “therapeutic” way. And I’d much rather sit on a horse’s back than talk to a horse’s ass (my “therapist”), which for me was like stepping into a pile of steaming HORSE SHIT —
My point was that the horse isn’t going to reply to you out of his own psychological issues or history or be hurt or angry that you don’t agree s/he’s “helping” you. They are just going to be a horse.
Steve says, “My point was that the horse isn’t going to reply to you out of his own psychological issues…”
The problem is therapists inevitably do, as do all people, to one extent or another. But I refuse to buy into the bullshit that therapists are trained to “deal” with “transference”, counter or otherwise, because in my experience, the more therapists claim to be “above it”, the more likely they are to be affected by it. And when you toss in the toxic “power imbalance”, you’ve created one HUGE pile of horseshit.
Oh, absolutely, for me, any therapist who thinks s/he can be “above” countertransferrence (aka an emotional reaction to a relationship with another human being!) is highly dangerous!
In my relatively brief stint as a counselor, I viewed my reaction to the client as a) my responsibility completely, b) something that told me about how I might potentially make this situation worse by making it about me instead of them, and c) information about how the client is affecting me that may give me some insight into what’s going on with them. It is completely NORMAL to have an emotional reaction to an interaction with a client or any other person for that matter. The only thing that SHOULD distinguish the counselor from anyone else is that they understand how to use that information to get their own issues out of the way and make sure they are responding to the person asking for help. Anyone pretending they DON’T have an emotional reaction to their client is just plain lying to him/herself.
The only way I see to be able to be successful as a “counselor” or “therapist” is to have your own shit together enough that you don’t end up acting it out on the client. That means that far from being “above” your emotional reactions, you are 100% aware of those reactions AT ALL TIMES and are humble enough to know they are there and respect them, both as an expression of your own needs and as a conduit to information that might be of help to the client. There is no training for this ability. It means you have to have done your own “work” on yourself by whatever means you can. I found clients respected me because I was genuine and in touch with my emotions and was honest with them about what was going on for me without putting responsibility on them for my reactions. They liked it that I was human and real with them, and that I think was what worked when it did work – nothing to do with any training or “method,” just being one human honestly there with another and willing to share their pain without trying to “fix” it to make myself feel better.
Thank you for publishing my concerns Steve and for your response but I think it’s much worse than a bad middleman. I think you all at MIA need to be on guard, if not this, it’s only a matter of time before a rebranded TTI tries to advertise on MIA. Here is a former TTI from the same areas that has been rebranding for years (Trigger warning for everything):
What you described is hopefully how people try to be, counselor or not. And I also think it describes a good friend.
And I agree there’s no training for that ability. But the therapists I knew claimed their training was what made them able to react non-judgmentally, which I found incredibly arrogant, especially when I sensed that “the therapy” was more about making THEM feel better.
“They liked that I was human and real with them….”
Human and real. Those are the magic words.
No one can be totally “nonjudgmental.” The best we can do is be AWARE of our judgments and decide not to act on them, but take them into account when evaluating what is the best thing to do. A person who pretends to be “nonjudgmental” is usually not being honest with him/herself and will have to rationalize any decisions as being “for the good of the client.” I always knew there was a danger I was acting to meet my own needs rather than the clients,’ making it a lot more likely I could avoid that danger. At least, that’s how I saw it.
Steve says, “Maybe we should cut out the middle man and just hire horses to do therapy…”
Anything that bypasses a fundamentally flawed system is a good option. And it’s almost comical how something that calls itself a “mental health system” actually promotes “mental illness”.
What really needs to happen is for the DSM to be declared invalid, which isn’t likely to happen because it’s what the mental illness system is built on.
The DSM was declared “invalid,” by the head of NIMH, in 2013.
But the scientifically “invalid” “mental health” system wants to “maintain the status quo,” so they’ve not yet flushed their “bullshit” “bible.”
anotherone, please provide evidence that NISAPI is a troubled teen industry “feeder program” or anything of the sort? The TTI consists of residential programs that take complete control over a young person’s life; at NISAPI it sounds as though people come and go as they please and that the client rather than the organization sets the agenda.
It’s not clear from the website whether or not this is a voluntary program. Maybe the author of the article could speak to that and clear up any confusion.
Hi Miranda Spencer
I believed I was clear when I quoted individual blirbs from their website alongside my individual concerns.
Though I understand the defensiveness so I will do more leg work to sufficiently evidence my lived experiences. I will e-mail the entirety of my findings, with followable evidence to whatever contact is available in Mad In America within the next 2 weeks. Thank you for opening up this dialogue as it is incredibly important.
I would love to be proven wrong! If this program’s marketing is only coincidentally akin to the TTI, if there is absolutely no affiliation with any TTI- related ideology, no affiliation with any TTI- related businesses, nor TTI-related expansion efforts, TTI marketing groups, TTI advertisement directories, TTI conglomerate corporations, TTI lobbying organizations, TTI financial insitutions, TTI- affiliated RTCs, I will write that in the proposed email with an apology and a follow-up comment here with an apology. If what I heard and know turns out to only be conjecture or unrelated to their genuine efforts of self-purported enormous success in mass-scale community healing, I will apologize
As of now, I seek understanding
The problem I have with therapy is that I believe therapists are ALWAYS trying to meet their own needs, consciously and unconsciously: financially, emotionally and egoically. And I don’t know which is the worst.
Correction: I DO know which is the worst: the financial.
And having that on top of some contrived “power imbalance” makes “therapy” an untrustworthy relationship, imo.
And even though people in any relationship are trying to meet some kind of need, hiding behind a “power imbalance” and then charging money is what makes “therapy” un-therapeutic.
And one more thing: in my experience, the “therapist’s” needs always surpassed my own, meaning I usually ended up having to kiss their asses to avoid being therapeutically assaulted.
I find it mind boggling that (most?) therapists fail to see that the so-called “therapeutic relationship” is, imo, a relationship built on extremely unhealthy power dynamics: power imbalance, psychiatric labeling, fee payment, etc. These elements, imo, exploit and degrade the client/patient and can lead to people becoming dependent or even addicted to the therapist and the so-called “therapeutic relationship”, which imo makes therapy a sick solution and imo means most therapists are on massive ego trips.
Hi anotherone, We are not re-branded. We are not a residential program. I do not think anywhere in our website speaks to that. Families, as we referred in the writing, often are in dialogue with us daily or may come to the ranch during the week when the need is there. There is no set program for anyone—it is not a one size fits all—as I have heard of over the years. it is individually tailored by the “clients” and their families. There is no coercion. Instead there is freedom for all of us.
The world is a place where people often unfairly judge others and then often resort to unfair labeling. Nowhere is this despicable habit more prevalent than in the psychiatric industry, a place literally brimming with despicable labels. Which is a curious development, considering that education supposedly elevates the worst in human nature.
As the story goes, somewhere along the line, a bunch of people calling themselves “psychiatrists” figured out a way to make the despicable profitable—FOR THEM—and decided to called it “psychiatric diagnosing”, but it’s nothing more than dressed-up name-calling. And to further mislead the public, they cleverly but improperly decided to invoke the word “science” to cover their multitude of psychiatric sins, all of which are unforgivable.
But this article discusses helpful alternatives to psychiatric labeling, as they seem to understand that such labeling and its array of standard “treatments” often destroys lives. Their methods (respectful communication, natural settings) are a bright spot in the ugly field of psychiatry and the mental health industry at large, both of which seem satisfied laying waste to humanity, all in the name of “mental health”.
Correction: “Which is a curious development, considering that education supposedly elevates people above their baser instincts. But psychiatry has managed to accomplished the opposite.”
I agree that the words said were decent, but check out the website. Birdsong, some of the most notorious tti’s to have ever existed marketed themselves as equine therapy and used the same talking points. Their website has an entire page on their connections with the troubled teen industry, while trying to, I guess, disclaim themselves from liability.
All of my bells went off with this article, even more so with the name recognition from their organization. I know I’m sounding dismissive to this pro but the best defense against authoritarian violence from the mental health field is epistemic justice. Our actual experiences are the front lines against concept creep. This concept creep appears to be from the large swaths of pros seeking to expand the Troubled Teen Industry
Thank you for alerting me. I appreciate and believe in your hard-won skepticism. And I don’t think you sound dismissive, as I wholeheartedly agree with your comment: “…the best defense against authoritarian violence from the mental health field is epistemic justice.”
And thank you for mentioning concept creep. Maybe these terms (epistemic justice, concept creep) are the ones I’ve been trying to find to more clearly articulate my criticisms of psychiatry and its offshoots. And imo, the entire mental health system is an industry that thrives on epistemic injustice fueled by its incessant concept creep, better known as “power imbalance” and “psychiatric diagnoses”.
Thank you for your enduring kindness and solidarity. I always cherish your comments and your point of view.
Thank you for your wonderfully supportive words. I deeply appreciate them and your insightful comments.
As far as I can make out, psychiatry arose in the 19th century as an apparently more humane way of dealing with dangerousness. Doctors were putting their hands up and claiming to be able to predict who was dangerous and who not. It turned out this was a false claim. But it got them the keys to the asylum. Now I can see you want to take this power away from psychiatry, so do I. But who to give it to? To the police and courts? There is some hope that this will humanise the police; but there are certain pockets, especially American policing, where they utilise violence first to deal with people who are violent (or suspected of being prone to violence).
There is a lot of (justified) anti-psychiatry amongst the responders on MiA – but I do not see many responding with an alternative to what we are to do as a society with citizens who are dangerous – which is what brought psychiatry into existence.
Psychiatry is a disease, a social disease.
And the mental health system is its breeding ground.
Psychiatry is medical GASLIGHTING —
Psychiatric diagnoses ARE NOT accurate representations of people’s distress and DO NOT improve quality of life —
We embrace all of your thoughts. I hope I was able to answer in a manner that cleared up the TTI umbrella. If I did not let me know. If anyone would like to contact us off line please do. Again our contact is [email protected]. We thank you for this opportunity. I hope this continues as a safe place to dialogue.
Thank you Dr. Susan Swim,
I appreciate your effort. I will email you the individual concerns as well as a summary of the reasons your program “rung my bells” . In my email, I will also reiterate the concerns that you did not actually address, and add follow up questions that I alluded to but did not clarify.
I also hope this website continues to be a safe place to dialogue.
If I created a program to help troubled teen survivors which was specifically triggering to a member of that population, I would want to know why so that I can remedy.
I plan to write this email in good faith and I hope it is received in good faith. You are a mental health professional, you have all the power in every realm of the world aside from this tiny hamlet of the internet.
I will proceed if given assurances that my email will be welcomed and received by you without retaliation by you. Otherwise, I still plan on emailing a contact at mad in america.
You wrote about safety which illuminated another possible misconception between us. My understanding of safety, before we proceed:
Voiced criticism- safe
the troubled teen industry- unsafe
Globalized retaliation by a powerful authority against voiced criticism i.e. retaliation from a mental health professional-unsafe
Dear anotherone, Thank you for your words and ideas. Regardless of my role, as a person, I should and am interested in your thoughts of how I can write in a manner that would be more helpful. I hear your want assurances. I hope I do a good job of receiving your email. I look forward to hearing from you, Susan
Thank you Susan Swim! I genuinely appreciate this olive branch. You’ll hear from me within the next 2 weeks.
Follow up, I have not sent any emails yet. Before I write to anyone, I will write a confirmation here from this account.
“For too long, we have allowed others— psychologists, psychiatrists, therapists, social workers, judges—to paint a picture of people that is based on a small glimpse of their lives. And we’re allowing these ‘experts’ to reduce people to their ‘symptoms.’ There is no logic to that process.”
Indeed, there is no logic in psychiatry or psychology at all. Distress caused by 9.11.2001 is “distress caused by a chemical imbalance” in my brain alone? No, my psychologist and psychiatrist were the insane, and highly deluded, lunatics.
“when people are heard and validated they stop feeling hopeless.” And when a deluded psychiatrist declares a person’s entire life to be “a credible fictional story,” since that psychiatrist never heard and validated the patient’s actual concerns. And instead he got all his misinformation from a psychologist, whose goal was to cover up child abuse for her pastor and his pedophile “soul mates.” Well, that’s when one must walk away.
“How, at the local level, can the coercion and resulting feelings of oppression and violence that clients self-report be recognized and changed?” I’m quite certain that the only way to end the coercion is to make “forced treatment” illegal worldwide, and that does need to happen.
“My body my choice!” should be the mantra of the psychiatric survivors.
Dear Someone Else, Although I have not been able to respond to each person I do hear. I hear words that represent a myriad of unwanted experiences. Perhaps these ideas you share will be read-not only by me and at this place. I hope you allow me to share these, Susan
Children act out. But guess what? So do mental health “experts”. It’s called “diagnosing”.
I don’t like that in this framework I am not allowed to identify my family members as abusers. I was emotionally, verbally, and physically abused by every member of my family. If identifying directions or histories of abuse within a relational system that ‘symptoms’ (like my chronic hypervigilance, awaiting the next explosion) are expressing is labeled as ‘blame’ when it is within a family, why is it any different in systems larger than the family? Why not say I am a ‘blame/shame-r’ for identifying mental health professionals who coerced and labeled me; bullies at school who tormented me; or the babysitter who molested me as agents who traumatized and continually re-traumatized me, which traumas — with oppressive dynamics directed towards me — my ‘symptoms’ were expressing? Now my trauma can only be extra-familial? I cut my family off not because I was advised to but because they were abusive and coercive towards me, but now if I label them toxic I am a blamer? This is my problem with approaches like this: you cannot identify symptoms as coherent expressions of oppressive dynamics and then be morally indignant when oppressed people identify oppressors.
I do want to say though that obviously my post comes from my own personal experience, I recognize that not everyone who suffers has an abusive family like mine and I do appreciate the work of people like you who are attempting to do something non-pathologizing.
Again, thank you all for your comments and I do feel continuing these types of thoughts are necessary to raise awareness. Thank you, Susan
After some deliberation, I have decided to only follow up here. My primary problem with this article’s advertisement is the hedging. I know that a program seeking the same customer base as the troubled teen industry without disavowing the troubled teen industry often becomes the troubled teen industry.
I apologize for my lack of kindness. I am terrified of the TTI and of family scapegoating ideology and it showed in my comments. This organization is not within NATSAP nor part of the synanon ideologues, though some concerns remain.
I understand now that your intentions may be pure but the execution of this advertising article is still alarming. Campaigners for the TTI may get the same impression, then they will seek to donate and to undermine.
This is the crux of my complaint. My backstory: my family sent me through the troubled teen industry and then smear campaigned, isolated, limited, and sabotaged me for years. They became heavily involved in fundraising for TTI- affiliated mental health organizations while using their smear campaign as “my story”. My brutal reality is not uncommon in this niche. Your case studies and the website’s reviews suggest to me that some of your clients’ are in my former situation. It would be pedantic and unfair for me to scrutinize each of those so I will refocus my main point.
There are thousands of families like mine who felt validated by the troubled teen industry and who seek control over organizations like yours. They donate, host gatherings, and
fundraise. These types of people are virtually unlimited by society and will corrode anything good you seek to accomplish. Please shield yourself against them.
My suggestions (if you want them)
1) change the language- there are active tti’s now who have near identical websites to yours. They can be found on a website called “allkindsoftherapy” (I don’t want to link it). This may be a good resource to contrast your language.
2) fundraising and donations- if a group or individual is donating, disavow the troubled teen industry. this should ward against some of the DARVO-types of TTI families.
3) Study the TTI- a few websites exist now that are incredibly helpful sources of information. Lots of survivors like me have contributed to them. unsilenced.org is one of my favorites.
Thanks for your effort and for your courage. I am genuinely happy to see mental health organizations seeking to do better, though too many falter through pride, ignorance and naiivety. The roads we have traveled to become psych survivors are nightmarish. Another famous mental health industry critic said “the road to hell is paved with good intentions”, this quote may contextualize my response. I wish better for humanity than what we have all endured here in the comments of MIA and so I wish your organization enormous success.
Thank you for your thoughtful responses and your courage to post this. We will be redesigning the website in the future. We do appreciate your ideas. I am sorry for your unfortunate experiences and those of countless others. It is important your experiences have a voice. I think all of us want change. That is why we write.
Thank you, Susan
Had we encountered a system modeled like this, a lot of time and suffering could have been saved and avoided, and my brother would likely still be alive. I still have the note he left, saying he had forgiven us for going along with his “treatment” that an abusive parent initiated for control, essentially (not that we understood all these things at the time), but that after years of psychiatric abuse and trauma, and closed doors in life because of it all, he just couldn’t take it anymore.
I guess that makes my entire family (except the aforementioned parent, both admitting to what she did by denying responsibility) “anti-psychiatrists” now, according to an inpatient clinician I talked to recently. Which is weird, because starting medical school, I was leaning toward becoming one. If this is what passes for psychiatry today, reality is going to have an “anti-psychiatry” bias.
Are you a doctor or a nurse?
We are late to respond. The theme of your post is not rare, unfortunately. But your sharing was heard by us and hopefully many more. In our limited way we hold these stories in our hearts. These are outcomes we hope to somehow prevent.
Thank you, Susan