Editor’s Note: Over the next several months, Mad in America is publishing a serialized version of Peter Gøtzsche’s book, Mental Health Survival Kit and Withdrawal from Psychiatric Drugs. In this blog, he introduces the book. Each Monday, a new section of the book is published, and all chapters are archived here.
I have written this book to help patients, and when I decided to write it, one of my tentative titles was “Listening to the voices of patients.” Most people I have talked to about mental health issues, be it my family, friends, colleagues, sports partners, filmmakers, gardeners, cleaners, waiters and hotel receptionists, have had bad experiences with psychiatry or know someone that has.
Coming from a background of being a specialist in internal medicine, which is entirely different, it slowly dawned on me how harmful psychiatry is. It takes years of close study to find out that psychiatry does vastly more harm than good,1 and my own research has contributed to revealing this.
My findings resonate closely with what the general public have concluded based on their own experiences. A survey of 2,031 Australians showed that people thought that depression pills (also called antidepressants), neuroleptics (also called antipsychotics), electroshock, and admission to a psychiatric ward were more often harmful than beneficial.2
The social psychiatrists who did the survey were dissatisfied with the answers and argued that people should be trained to arrive at the “right opinion.”
In early 1992, the Royal College of Psychiatrists, in association with the Royal College of General Practitioners, launched a five-year “Defeat Depression Campaign” in the UK.3 Its aim was to provide public education about depression and its treatment in order to encourage earlier treatment-seeking and reduce stigma. Campaign activities included newspaper and magazine articles, television and radio interviews, press conferences, production of leaflets, factsheets in ethnic minority languages, audio cassettes, a self-help video and two books.4
When 2,003 lay people were surveyed just before the launch of the campaign, 91% thought that people with depression should be offered counselling; only 16% thought they should be offered depression pills; only 46% said they were effective; and 78% regarded them as addictive.3
The psychiatrists’ view on these responses was that, “Doctors have an important role in educating the public about depression and the rationale for antidepressant treatment. In particular, patients should know that dependence is not a problem with antidepressants.”
When challenged about the fact that the colleges had accepted donations from all the major manufacturers of SSRI depression pills for the campaign, the president of the Royal College of Psychiatrists, Robert Kendall, acknowledged that, “One of their major motives was the hope that an increased recognition of depressive illnesses both by the general public and by general practitioners would result in increased sales for them.”5
He didn’t say what the companies’ other major motives were. I doubt there were any. Money is the only motive drug companies have.
The psychiatrists embarked on their re-education campaign. But people were not easily convinced that they were wrong. A 1998 paper reported that changes were of the order of only 5-10% and that depression pills were still being regarded as addictive and less effective than counselling.4 Interestingly, 81% of the lay people agreed that “Depression is a medical condition like other illnesses” and 43% ascribed depression to biological changes in the brain, but most people nonetheless also ascribed it to social causes like bereavement (83%), unemployment (83%), financial problems (82%), stress (83%), loneliness/ isolation (79%) and divorce/ end of relationship (83%).4 Something didn’t add up.
My interpretation is that despite claims for many years, long before 1992,1 that psychiatric disorders are caused by chemical imbalances in the brain, the public is not so willing to accept this falsehood.
In 2005, Danish psychiatrists reported what 493 patients had told them about their depression pill treatment.6 About half the patients agreed that the treatment could alter their personality and that they had less control over their thoughts and feelings. Four-fifths agreed that as long as they took the drugs, they didn’t really know if they were necessary, and 56% agreed to the statement that, “Your body can become addicted to antidepressants.”
The psychiatrists refused flatly to believe what the patients had told them, which they considered wrong, and called them ignorant. They also felt that the patients needed “psychoeducation.” The problem with this was that the relatives shared the patients’ opinion.
“Educating the public” and “psychoeducation” so that they can arrive at the “right opinion” is what we normally call brainwashing. Particularly when what the patients and the public reported are more than just opinions; they drew conclusions based on their own experience and that of others.
It is not only in research that psychiatrists dismiss what their patients tell them, they also do this in clinical practice. Often, they either don’t listen or don’t ask the appropriate questions about their patients’ experience and history and therefore don’t find out that the current symptoms are very likely caused by trauma or severe stress, and not by any “psychiatric disorder.”
Please note that when I generalise, it does of course not apply to everyone. Some psychiatrists are excellent, but they are in a small minority. It is no wonder that the UK pre-campaign survey found that “the word psychiatrist carried connotations of stigma and even fear.”3 This is understandable, given that psychiatric drugs kill hundreds of thousands of people every year and cripple millions, physically and mentally.1
The term “psychiatric survivor” says it all in just two words. In no other medical specialty do the patients call themselves survivors in the sense that they survived despite being exposed to that specialty. They fought their way out of a system that is rarely helpful, and which many survivors have described as psychiatric imprisonment, or a facility where there is a door in, but not a door out.
In other medical specialties, the patients are grateful that they survived because of the treatments their doctors applied to them. We have never heard of a cardiology survivor or an infectious disease survivor. If you have survived a heart attack, you are not tempted to do the opposite of what your doctor recommends. In psychiatry, you might die if you do what your doctor tells you to do.
Many psychiatric survivors have described how psychiatry, with its excessive use of harmful and ineffective drugs, had stolen 10 or 15 years of their life before they one day decided to take the responsibility for their life back from their psychiatrists and discovered that life is much better without drugs. They often say that what woke them up was that they read some of the books about psychiatry by psychiatrists David Healy, Peter Breggin, or Joanna Moncrieff, science journalist Robert Whitaker, or me.
There are thousands of personal stories by psychiatric survivors on the Internet, e.g. on SurvivingAntidepressants.org. In many of them, people explain how they withdrew from psychiatric drugs, one by one, often against their doctor’s advice and often with great difficulty, because the drugs had made them dependent and because the psychiatric profession had failed totally in providing proper guidance about how to do it. The psychiatrists have not only been uninterested in tackling this immense problem but have actively denied its existence, as you have just seen and will see much more about in this book.
Mental health issues prevent you from living a full life and they go on in your mind. All patients should be offered psychotherapy, which is also what 75% of them want.7 However, this is not what they get, which shows once again that the psychiatric profession doesn’t listen to its patients. A large US survey of people with depression showed that 87% received depression pills, 23% psychotherapy, 14% anxiolytics, 7% neuroleptics and 5% “mood stabilizers” (a euphemism that the psychiatrists never defined, but they usually mean antiepileptic drugs and lithium, whose main effect is to sedate people).8
Most people have issues with their mental health now and then, just as they have issues with their physical health. There is nothing abnormal about that.
Throughout this book, I shall give advice based on the scientific evidence that I have good reasons to believe will lead to better outcomes than if my advice is ignored. But please note that whatever you do and whatever the outcome, you cannot hold me responsible. The information I provide is not a replacement for consultations with healthcare professionals but might empower you to engage in meaningful and informed discussions or to decide to handle the issues yourself.
I shall start with a little advice and will give the background for it in the rest of the book:
- WARNING! Psychiatric drugs are addictive. Never stop them abruptly because withdrawal reactions may consist of severe emotional and physical symptoms that can be dangerous and lead to suicide, violence and homicide.1
- If you have a mental health issue, don’t see a psychiatrist. It is too dangerous and might turn out to be the biggest error you made in your entire life.9
- Don’t believe what you are told about psychiatric disorders or psychiatric drugs. It is very likely to be wrong.1
- Believe in yourself. You are likely right, and your doctor is wrong. Don’t ignore your hunches or feelings. You can easily be led astray if you don’t trust yourself.10
- Never let others have responsibility for your life. Stay in control and ask questions.
- Your spouse or parent might be your best friend or your worst enemy. They might believe what doctors tell them and might even see it to their advantage to keep you drugged.
Many of the stories I have received from patients have a common theme. The patients had no idea how dangerous it is to become a psychiatric patient and trusted their doctors, willingly following their advice, until they found out years later that their lives had been ruined.
What is particularly diabolic is that the psychological and physical deterioration often occurs gradually, and therefore passes unnoticed—like becoming nearsighted, which you don’t discover until one day a friend wonders why you cannot read a road sign close to you. The patients may even be grateful for the drugs they received, although it may be obvious to others that they have been harmed.
Gradual and unnoticed deterioration is not the only problem. A brain under chemical influence may not be able to assess itself. When the brain is numbed by psychoactive substances, the patients may be unaware that they can no longer think clearly or evaluate themselves. This lack of insight into feelings, thoughts and behaviours is called medication spellbinding.11,12 Medication spellbinding is usually ignored, both by patients and their doctors, which is surprising because we all know that people who have drunk too much cannot judge their ability to drive.
Here is a patient story that illustrates many of the common issues.
A patient’s psychiatric “career”
In November 2019, I received an outstanding account from Stine Toft, a Danish patient I met when I lectured for “Better Psychiatry,” an organisation of relatives to psychiatric patients.13
Stine was seriously harmed by psychiatric drugs; her life became endangered; and she suffered an excruciating withdrawal phase because she did not receive the necessary guidance. But she is doing well today, aged 44.
Stine gave birth to her second daughter in 2002 after a hard time with “all kinds of trials and hormone treatments.” In the aftermath, she wasn’t well. She was afraid of losing her daughter and of not being able to protect her well enough. Her doctor diagnosed her with depression, and she was told it was perfectly normal and that she should just take Effexor (venlafaxine, a depression pill) so that her brain would work again—possibly for the rest of her life, but at least for five years.
Her life changed markedly. She put on 50 kg (110 lbs.) and had several weird episodes that she didn’t understand. Once she wanted to dig a sandbox for her children, but she ended up putting an entire trampoline 70 cm into the ground by removing seven cubic metres of soil with a shovel. She also knocked down a wall in the kitchen without warning and without being a craftsman in any way because she felt the family needed a smart conversation kitchen.
Stine saw a psychiatrist again, and 15 minutes later the case was clear—she had become bipolar. She was sent for psychoeducation and was told that her condition would definitely last for the rest of her life. She was trained in how to notice even the little things that confirmed that she was ill, and special care was taken to ensure that she took her medicines.
“They managed to put a massive fear in me,” Stine wrote, and she clearly identified herself with a sick person who had to tackle life in a certain way in order to survive.
Time passed and she ended up leaving her husband of 15 years. In 2013, she met her current husband, and he asked quite quickly “what the sickness was all about,” because he couldn’t see it. After a year and a half, she surrendered and agreed to make a small trial with a small withdrawal of the medication.
He was happy for that, because he had seen several times how disastrous the withdrawal was when she forgot to take the medication. She once ruined a trip to a summer amusement park because she had forgotten to bring the medicines with her. As the day went on, she got worse and worse with headaches and vomiting; she was confused and just wanted to lie down and sleep until she got the drugs again.
Her medication list included Effexor, later switched to Cymbalta (duloxetine), lamotrigine and Lyrica (pregabalin), two antiepileptics, and Seroquel (quetiapine, a neuroleptic). In addition, she was given medication for the adverse effects caused by the drugs and for her metabolic problem.
This is a dangerous cocktail. Depression pills double the risk of suicide, not only in children but also in adults,1,14-18 antiepileptics also double the risk of suicide,19 and both depression pills and antiepileptics can make people manic,18,19 which happened to her and resulted in an erroneous diagnosis of having become bipolar.
The withdrawal process took two and a half years, with her husband helping the best he could to make the process as gentle as possible. They did not understand it at the time, but discovered along the way, what the receptor saturation curve means—namely that you need to reduce the dose by less and less the further you come down.
Extremely few doctors are aware of this,20 and most official recommendations are outright dangerous (e.g. they may say that you should reduce the dose by 50% every two weeks when you taper depression pills.21 Thus, already after two reductions, you are down to only 25% of the starting dose, which is far too quickly for most patients).
Stine’s life became endangered. She was scared to death that it would end badly and was often thinking about giving up. She introduced several pauses in the process. Thoughts of suicide were extremely pressing during the times when she tapered, because it was absolutely horrible.
Inexplicably, Stine had accepted that she obviously hated life and wanted to put an end to it. She is otherwise an energetic person who loves life and had never had suicidal thoughts until she started taking drugs, nor after stopping them. But the withdrawal process was completely “crazy,” and she often considered whether taking her own life would be more humane.
During withdrawal, she had some “wildly weird experiences.” On the good end, she took it upon herself several times just to listen to nature and the birds. It was a powerful experience, because she could not remember when she had last experienced this in the years she was “doped.”
A little sadder were the other symptoms that came during withdrawal. The abstinence symptoms included dives that could easily be interpreted as depression, and during withdrawal of Lyrica, she was anxious and felt life was unbearable. One morning in the bath she began to cry, because just feeling the water on her body was something she had not noted for many years.
At this point in time, she became aware of two of my books about psychiatry1,22 and realised that everything she had experienced was well known and perfectly normal. It was really shocking to her to read about how it is normal practice to be exposed to the hell she had been through, but also liberating to discover that it is normal; that she probably wasn’t sick; and that there was nothing wrong with her.
By the end of the withdrawal, she had a strange experience where, for about half a year, she was almost crooked in her body. She constantly had a feeling of tipping to the left and had a hard time walking straight. During several periods, other muscle groups failed. When she once played a game where a stick is thrown after wooden blocks, her hand didn’t release the stick.
After withdrawal, things started to get better and she wanted to work again, even though she had been out of the job market for many years and was on disability pension. She planned to take a business driver’s license and drive a taxi, but “Oh no, oh no! There was a big no from the police.” They sent a letter stating that her driver’s license was time-limited and that she would need to provide documentation every two years that she wasn’t sick.
“The fact that they chose to throw an extra diagnosis after someone who is on depression pills is pretty terrible,” she wrote. “Today, I must renew my driver’s license every two years for that reason. But you wouldn’t imagine how hard it was to avoid that they took it away completely. When I contacted psychiatry because of my contact with the police, they first refused to see me—because I was well. So, I couldn’t get their help to prove I wasn’t sick and thus fit to drive. After intense pressure from me, my own doctor finally persuaded them to take me in for a talk and make a statement, which dryly noted that my ‘illness’ wasn’t active. I could have strangled them, because that means I’m still sick and, in the eyes of the police, one that needs to be monitored in future.”
Stine completely disagrees with the bipolar diagnosis. She never had manic episodes before starting on the medication, and never had them after she quit. But the diagnosis is glued to her for the rest of her life, although it is well known that depression pills can trigger mania and thus cause the psychiatrists to make a wrong diagnosis, confusing the drug harm with a new illness.
It is medical malpractice to make a new diagnosis, as if there is something wrong with the patient, when the condition could be a harm caused by the medication. Psychiatrists do this all the time.
Stine gave up the idea of becoming a taxi driver. She became a coach and went on studying to become a psychotherapist. She works with many different people and helps patients taper off their depression pills, with great success. They are reclaiming life and seeing it move forward. She knows it is important to support them when they withdraw so that they will not face the same troubles as she did. There are many thoughts and fears, and many people have difficulty defining themselves if they are no longer sick. The combination of tapering and therapy seems to have an extremely beneficial effect.
It is difficult to convince people that stopping their drugs is a good idea. Many passionately believe in them, because they have been told they are sick, and there is often great pressure from their relatives. Stine experienced herself what it means to stand alone with the withdrawal. Today, she no longer sees her family. They maintained the claim that she was ill and just needed to take her medication.
This mistaken view is nourished by the fact that three-quarters of websites even today still falsely claim that people fall ill with depression because of a chemical imbalance in their brain (see below).23 If you believe in this bogus, you also believe that you cannot do without the medicine.
A few years ago, Stine bought the domain name medicin-fri.dk (medicine-free.dk) because she wants to provide information about taking drugs and their harms, in cooperation with others, as well as provide help and support for withdrawal.
Too few people know about the problems or have ever heard of them. Stine wants to change that and wants to make sure that she does not give incorrect advice and information. She therefore wrote to me and asked if I knew others who would like to join an organised network about these issues.
In addition to her daily work with clients, Stine lectures, but finds it difficult to “be allowed” to get the message out. She has lectured for Psychiatry in the Capital Region about being bipolar, which was easy, as everyone wants to see a sick person and hear her story. But a success story that calls the system into question is not interesting.
Stine is passionate about changing things and has, for example, established several self-help groups; lectured for the Depression Association; volunteered in the Red Cross; started groups for lonely people; and mentored young people.
She suggested to Better Psychiatry in her hometown that they invite me to lecture. They didn’t know who I was, and the chairwoman introduced the meeting by saying that if more money was allotted to psychiatry it would probably be okay. I started my lecture by saying I wasn’t sure this was a good idea. If more money came in, even more diagnoses would be made, even more drugs would be used, and even more people would end up on disability pension because they cannot function when they are drugged.24
Stine wants to lecture on the theme, “Surviving psychiatry.” She finds it overwhelming to live a life that, after so many years on medication, she thought was completely out of reach. Although her past life was “foolishly handled by various psychiatrists and other well-meaning doctors,” she doesn’t want to mess it up by asking for access to her files. She would rather look ahead and inform others via websites and lectures about how harmful it is to blindly become medicated—often for no reason at all.
Stine is convinced that virtually none of her strange experiences during the 14 years she was drugged would have happened if she had not been given medication. Her memory suffered a severe blow, but it is improving.
She cannot understand why her doctors didn’t stop the drugging. Nothing could justify her massive drugging, and even when she gained weight from 70 to 120 kg, the doctors didn’t respond, besides giving her medication to increase the metabolism, which was “completely nuts … extremely disabling in every conceivable way and in itself almost something they could give a depression diagnosis for, because it was a sad thing to expose your body to.”
Stine considers the system to be hopeless. The colossal overuse of psychoactive drugs produces chronic patients, often based on temporary problems,24 as I shall explain in the following.
To read the footnotes for this chapter and others, click here.
Thank you Dr Peter,
ALL of the 6 Statements you have made are TRUE..
….and I can be PROVE it.
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I have been exposed to more than 20 of the potentially harmful psychiatric medication in the nearly 30 years I have been in psychiatry. I have also been blessed with electroshock therapy (ECT) without this having been justified in a diagnosis corresponding to such treatment. In retrospect, I have major problems with the concentration zone and major writing difficulties. ECT should have been banned.
55 years -olaveivind
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“(psychiatry)…..In particular, patients should know that dependence is not a problem with antidepressants.”
Thank you Peter very much.
I hope people do a whole lot of reading and asking around before they venture off to get advice from a shrink.
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“It is medical malpractice to make a new diagnosis, as if there is something wrong with the patient, when the condition could be a harm caused by the medication. Psychiatrists do this all the time.”
Yes, especially when it comes to psychiatry’s “bipolar epidemic.” Thank you for all you do, and for your honesty, Peter. And your desire to actually help people.
I am curious, however, do you happen to know of any good research which documents what percentage of people who received a “bipolar diagnosis” in the past half century, are actually people who’ve had the common adverse and withdrawal symptoms of the antidepressants and/or ADHD drugs, misdiagnosed as “bipolar?”
I can’t find any research studies which answer this question, and it strikes me as something which deserves at least one research study. Or maybe, such research is hidden behind pay walls? But my local library is kind to us researchers, and does tend to get us such studies, if we request them specifically.
But my guess is those research studies may not actually exist, since the psychiatrists are likely not interested in researching into their own, systemic malpractice. So it will likely need to be some other “profession,” or an organization like MiA, that researches into this issue.
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This account tracks closely with my own experience. I spent years after ECT as a full time mental patient, and one of the most painful and dangerous things about the experience was that my family and friends – what the treatment providers call “natural supports” – either ignored me and my increasing disability, many outright abandoning me – or they believed what the doctors said about me, that I had a severe mental illness called borderline and needed to be drugged and hospitalized. Every “episode” I had was attributed to my “severe mental illness” and failure to “use your coping skills.”. More drugs were piled on, I was threatened with more ECT. I lost everything. No one talked about withdrawal syndromes or medication spellbinding or akathisia. I was repeatedly reminded to take my meds, or told to call my psychiatrist to ask about a “meds adjustment”, or sent to the ER, often escorted there by police.
Today, at 54, I am extremely isolated and have given up hope that will ever change. I don’t see any kind of doctor for any reason. I am very lonely and sad and carry tons of shame. I’m afraid of people. My entire focus is on surviving and staying out of the hospital.
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Forced psychiatry is a crime. There is no other way to relate to this. It should be excluded from the measures acceptable in the human community. The problem is that, apart from the victims themselves, there is no one to do this. The rest don’t give a damn about it. We need to put pressure on legislators. To prohibit psychiatry by law.
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Need to destroy compulsory psychiatry. Support: https://humanecoalition.com/blog/ https://medium.com/@BraveNewFilms.org/heres-how-to-contact-all-535-members-of-united-states-congress-call-email-tweet-20b8a1c54195
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KateL, your words resonate so deeply with me. I hate that for you, so much. I know the pain, the fear, and the extreme strength it takes to fight another day in a world that is so much like an episode of The Twilight Zone. Poly drugged, electrocuted and then we are the ones labeled with a personality disorder! I find it hard to take what any doctor says as valuable, until fully researched, now. Shouldn’t we get restitution for pain and suffering…..
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Katel,
“personality disorders” cannot be illness or disease. So in fact, it is simply painting a picture of the person that can only be held against them in all social services.
Amazing that these scientific shrinks would still use labels that only hurt you. It is not of benefit to you nor anyone, so then why do you think such ancient practice is still used by a scientific community?
There is not a single person in existence that does not have a disorder lol. The ones that are disordered are all the people I don’t like or don’t get along with, or who are a pain in the neck.
It’s pointless though. Most people won’t drop their occupation, or identity unless they are under duress and feel threatened. So psychiatry will not willingly ever drop the disorder.
WHich of course points out the “mental” goings on in their own selves.
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I also wanted to say that Ms. Toft sounds like a remarkable person and what she’s doing now to spread the message and help others to avoid the hell that she was put through is heroic.
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DRUG INDUCED PTSD
Trying to come off “medication” (even carefully) can can bring about THIS type of distress :-
https://youtu.be/EKz2WAZRals
Description on HOW to deal with it:-
https://www.newworldlibrary.com/Blog/tabid/767/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/438/DISSOLVING-THE-PAIN-BODY-An-excerpt-from-THE-POWER-OF-NOW-by-Eckhart-Tolle.aspx#.YD21sWmnwwA
Coming through this ONCE shows how it works.
EXPLANATION
“…He refers to the concept of the “pain-body”, which is an old emotional pain living inside of you. It may have accumulated from past traumatic experiences and sticks around because these painful experiences were not fully faced and accepted the moment they arose…”
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I’m sorry if the ABOVE seems Dramatic but I come from a background where people recover very quickly.
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Blunt, condemning and a breath of fresh air from what is often a mealy mouthed medical establishment, even when they know how bad things are.
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Dr. Peter C. Gotzsche: Your list — 1.) through 6.) is One Million Percent Spot-On. This list nails the truth of what many “psych survivors” have experienced or know through experience. You are right about the use of the term psychiatry survivors. In other cases, the term “survivors” is either tied to a specific disease, such as cancer, or an event, such as Cat 5 Hurricane or Tornado. Sometimes, “survivor” is also tied to someone who survived a violent criminal act against them. But, psychiatry, etc. is the only “medical field” that the former patient/client will describe a “wholesale” survival from… And, tragically, after surviving such an onslaught onto their whole being, many have nowhere to turn for help and support. The “psych survivor”, in my opinion, becomes distrustful of traditional medicine and for good reason. They are also distrustful of other avenues for help. The “psychiatric survivor” has been betrayed in a way very few will, could, or even want to understand. Thank you.
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Being a psych survivor (as in someone who has been harmed by psychiatry and recognizes that harm) manufactures “paranoia.” Psychiatry by definition lies in order to gain social status and wealth by harming other people. Chemical imbalances were disproven decades ago. Long term studies show massive harm and no benefits (there isn’t a single study that when read in full shows benefits from psychiatric drugs or shock). They have more power than cops and those they label have less rights than criminals. Mental health Internet forums regularly have posts along the lines of “how can I get my (family member/friend) to take psych drugs.” Suggestions range from injections, harassment, withdrawing support, and even rufying drugs in food.
A common adage is “it’s not paranoia if they really are out to get you.” Psych survivors beat that. It’s not paranoia when they already got me and hundreds of millions of people and are getting more everyday with social wide support. Conveniently for psychiatry lacking trust, disagreeing with psychiatry, and not taking drugs are expressions of mentally illness that needs treating with drugs.
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“The term “psychiatric survivor” says it all in just two words. In no other medical specialty do the patients call themselves survivors in the sense that they survived despite being exposed to that specialty. They fought their way out of a system that is rarely helpful, and which many survivors have described as psychiatric imprisonment, or a facility where there is a door in, but not a door out.
In other medical specialties, the patients are grateful that they survived because of the treatments their doctors applied to them. We have never heard of a cardiology survivor or an infectious disease survivor. If you have survived a heart attack, you are not tempted to do the opposite of what your doctor recommends. In psychiatry, you might die if you do what your doctor tells you to do”
Every dentist that did a root canal on me did a fantastic job. I was happy to look better and chew my food better. The surgeons who removed my appendix did a good job. It removed my abdominal pain.
I can’t say the same thing of psychiatry or even when ordinary doctors get involved with psychiatric ideology. For one good thing, there are a slew of negative complications.
Human error is possible in any discipline. Even as a chef you could add extra salt in a dish which may irritate a client. But that’s different from an entire field being problematic.
Proponents of psychiatry will always say “oh, you didn’t find the right doctor” when it’s actually a merry-go-round and when every resident shrink, assistant professor shrink and head of department shrink has committed their screw-ups, a “savior shrink” will suddenly show up up who is probably a screw-up shrink for someone else. It’s utter rubbish.
Everyday new students are taking up MDs in Psychiatry. They make YouTube videos and Vlogs about their profession, and why new students should consider it. Some will defend their profession vehemently because in reality, they have little choice but to.
If any potential medical student is considering psychiatry, please forget about it and do an MD in general/internal medicine instead (if you don’t want to specialise in something particular) and do the psychological suffering stuff on the side, as a human being, and not a doctor.
Make all psychological/psychiatric research and drug effects public. Sci-Hub has already done a good job providing access to research papers. Let’s slowly come to a stage (which will take a lot of effort on the part of the public too) when there is no need of shrinks anymore and people don’t consider going into the profession at all. That’s how the whole goddamn house of labelling people with insulting labels, controlling them, having no choice in what chemicals are being put into your body, families and people misusing the whole thing, would burn down.
The money part is a problem. Psychiatry employs doctors, psychologists, nurses, and all sorts of other individuals who make money off of the thing. It’s impossible to simply shut down the thing instantaneously also given the fact that suffering people don’t even know what else to do and they are reliant on it.
I don’t really care for the term “psychiatric survivor”. However, I do know the taglines of “how can someone be the survivor of a ‘medical procedure’ “, or “why not anti-cardiology” (which is put forward sometimes, even by well intentioned people) which is rubbish.
As commoners, we have little access to medical knowledge, drug stores, imaging instruments etc. In essence we become servants of those with MDs, particularly those in psychiatry. Learning medicine as a commoner is never enouraged and a warning is always put “you are not a doctor” (which is understandable). Well, what when doctors become a danger to your life and dignity?
Of course, something else will have to pop up to help people in need. Perhaps those affected negatively by psychiatry can do something about it. But even for that, we unfortunately need the help of ordinary MDs. But when they don’t help us, and people are afraid of going to them even for ordinary problems, and in many cases they themselves don’t have any knowledge of all the rubbish in psychiatry, what can people like us do?
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“If any potential medical student is considering psychiatry, please forget about it and do an MD in general/internal medicine instead (if you don’t want to specialise in something particular) and do the psychological suffering stuff on the side, as a human being, and not a doctor.”
Thing is, belief is powerful. It is a culture they grew up in.
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You are missing out on the fundamental difference between psychiatry and any other medical discipline. – They differ in purpose, in the tasks they are designed to solve. A physician in any medical discipline is committed to helping a suffering patient. To preserve its integrity and health.
Psychiatrists are aimed at correcting the wrong (from their point of view) beliefs and aspirations of the patient. They are struggling with the wrong, not good patient. They are aimed at harming the patient.
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Good post — your English is improving too.
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Thank you for evaluating my language comprehension. I try, thank God, if it works. But what about the content of my posts? How would You rate this?
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One cannot be truly considered a “psychiatric survivor” if he or she is actively undergoing “treatment.” The only way to “survive” the mh system is to stay the hell away. (Do I need a disclaimer here?)
I’ve never been thrilled with the terms “survivor” myself, even though I “qualify”; it often feels a little self-indulgent and tends to perpetuate a self-identification as “victim,” which can be disempowering. Though for others I guess it might carry more positive connotations.
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I don’t agree. There are people who are still receiving “treatment” involuntarily, including those forced by law and those who are in a bad position where detoxing from these drugs is dangerous or sometimes even not feasible due to alterations to the brain caused by the drugs. Additionally, I’d say that anyone who has recognized the contradictions and dangers the system has put them through and is trying to get out is also a “survivor” by any measure. They have survived, even if they are still being abused.
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I don’t consider experiencing abuse to be surviving abuse — that remains to be determined.
And I prefer inmates and outmates to survivors, given my druthers. As in maximum and minimum security.
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“Inmates” and “outmates” works for me!
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And maybe add “escapees” to the options!
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Usually Frank beams down at this point to castigate the notion of “outmates.” I guess we’ll find out.
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The term “refugee” has come to my mind at times when I consider my situation. I understand that using that term may be self-indulgent, victim-y, and disrespectful toward actual refugees. I think of it in terms of the fact that I had to pick up and move twice as a direct result of my being a mental health patient. The first time I had to leave was because there had been too many ambulances, with police of course, and often the fire department at my door to take me to the psych ward. This happened over and over again after the ECT treatments and borderline diagnosis and while I was being drugged with what I now understand to be brain disabling drugs. There was one incident when the police had my apartment number wrong and were preparing to break down my neighbor’s door. My neighbor did not take kindly to that. They often showed up with flashing lights and sirens on and it got to the point after I had been taken away between 10 and 20 times in the space of a few years that my neighbors made it clear to me that I was not wanted there.
The second time I had to move was because of a string of incidents with the local police and the local hospital. The message from the police on multiple occasions was that they viewed me as a criminal and someone who should not expect to be treated with the same rights as a “regular citizen”. At one point I was interrogated in my apartment by two police, at length, when I had done nothing wrong, and in fact someone else – a neighbor – had made a false 911 call alleging that someone in the building was being held at knifepoint. I hadn’t seen or spoken to anyone all day, I’d been in my apartment and I’d been quiet and yet that did not protect me from having the police in my home, searching it, making all kinds of accusations, and demanding to know “why I looked so upset”.
That was one of multiple incidents with law enforcement. The other main reason I felt unsafe in that apartment was that I knew if I had any kind of a medical emergency I would be taken to a local hospital where I had already been abused on multiple occasions, sometimes when I was there for so-called mental health reasons and other times for physical issues like broken bones. I lived in fear of winding up in that hospital again. I also lived with the constant worry that one of my neighbors would call 911 and say that I was acting strange. Based on their past behavior this was not an unreasonable fear.
I moved to another state and I’m trying to keep my “record clean”, which means not seeing a doctor even if I feel very ill. I would have moved even farther away if I had had the means.
I wasn’t forced to leave either of those places.
I chose to leave because I felt unsafe. Refugee is probably not the right word. Maybe exile or outcast is more apt.
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Sounds like “refugee” applies pretty well! When you have to leave your home and avoid the “authorities” for fear of being “sent back,” you are a displaced person, in my view.
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To Katel’s story. You are brave and smart and may not be aware of it just yet. I, too, have moved, not necessarily, because of my neighbors, but, to escape from the psych industry that kept me captive for so many years. I don’t discuss how I got to where I am with my neighbors. They never ask. I don’t ask them. It could be where I live, as many of my neighbors have had to leave different kinds of untenable situations thrust upon them. Katel, you said the word “refugee” came to mind. Then at the end of your post, you mentioned “exile” or “outcast.” Steve McCrea echoed the “refugee” sentiment, but, I would like to describe our various situations with different words. Perhaps, we might be more like the American Pioneers or the Pilgrims. These brave people left adverse situations to create new lives. If you think about it, our moving and other ways we are dealing with this is very American. I can’t put it any other way. We, due to the terrible hand dealt us, are now living as true Americans. Never ever forget, it is truly American to leave a place where our freedom is stifled to move to a place where we can be free. Katel, You just want to be free. Who could ever blame you? Thank you.
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I think describing the ideals to which you refer as “American” might sound a little chauvinistic to non-Americans who share the same values.
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Fair enough.
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Moreover, it is precisely those who are subjected to compulsory “treatment” that find themselves in the worst situation. They have no hope at all. Therefore, it is absolutely necessary to exclude psychiatric coercion from the measures acceptable in the human community.
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Yes, this term is puzzling. “Survived” means saved, survived. So it’s not so bad anymore. While “cure” is the worst kind of destruction. The use of this term “survivor” is convenient for psychiatrists. It diminishes the perception of psychiatric evil in the eyes of the uninitiated. I suppose psychiatrists have introduced this term into everyday life.
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The idea of a psychiatrist speaking of “survivors” is too precious. Are there some who do that?
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I agree. “Survivor” implies that the person is left essentially intact, able to carry on in life, capable of relationships, capable of setting and working toward goals, not bedridden…not an angry, calcified, zombie-fied wreck.
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Mange tak for offentliggoerelse her, Peter.
Looking forward to this series.
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Katel, When one goes to hospital, often they like to draw the anxiety card, for whatever ails you. Of course they are partially correct, people do get fearful. But their response to fear produces further fear. It’s a given. People are not stupid and can sense when they are safe. Hospitals and health care are the one place that should provide a feeling of complete safety. They should stick to what they know, not what they think. It is difficult though because when we enter a building such as a hospital, we have to realize that many there have not even begun to live and they see their world through their own upbringings and the narrow sighted training. So they can only view that person in front of them through their lens. THeir experience of you is subjective. There is nothing we can do about this. Teachers and doctors get that bit of biased education and many were not raised to think about the stuff they were trained in. It doesn’t even enter their minds that the info could be all wrong and even if the rare student has the ability to think, the culture is mostly just one of mindless adherence. Not even sure it’s adherence, more like “it’s a job” and “it’s my identity”.
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Sadly, I can think of very hospitals for alleged mental conditions or any illness or condition that are actually meant or beneficial for healing and recovery. More and more, they resemble prisons. There was a hospital where I lived once. When I mentioned that hospital’s name, my neighbor told me, “Oh, you go there to die!.” I was housed there for eleven days and thank God, I left alive and it appears some years later, I am still living. By the way, Katel, I, too, avoid all doctors, etc. I am seriously afraid of being prescribed drugs I can no longer take. After my “psycho-drug and therapizing years” I can’t even take a tylenol or any otc drug. I am terrified of any prescribed drug for any alleged condition. Thank you.
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Thank you, rebel, for your earlier response, and this one. Thank you for helping me see a different perspective on moving away. I hope I can come to see it at some point in a more positive light.
It makes complete sense that you fear any kind of medication. I fear them too. I fear the people working in the medical system just as much. What your neighbor said about the local hospital is so telling. Sometimes I wonder if the problem is that the general public doesn’t know what goes on in psych hospitals or that they don’t care. Now I’m leaning towards the latter. I’ve heard comments like this before from people about different psych hospitals. You’re right it is a kind of prison. The fact that any of it is ever packaged as some kind of help or treatment for an illness makes the situation that much more maddening.
Thank you again for your perspective and encouragement. I meant to say more but am having trouble putting words together at the moment.
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Katel, I am glad I helped you. By the way that local hospital in my comment is not where I live now. It is also not a psych type hospital, but a general hospital that takes care of all kinds of health issues. When I was there, not only was the food awful, but the “nursing staff” were mostly rude. Before that I was in a psych hospital which was actually in the same neighborhood. The food was just as awful. They fed us yogurt every morning for breakfast. Now, I detest yogurt. In a way that was worse, no private tv, but, I had a private room because of a mix-up which also involved lies to my mother about my status. It’s all very hazy in my memory to me now. I do remember one thing about that place. They had a patio outside that had nothing but dead plants and dead grass and no furniture and this was springtime. I guess they felt that was good for the recovery of their patients. This particular psych hospital had a very bad reputation, also. Thank you.
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Thank you for this, Peter. It is wonderful that we can read your work in instalments, for free, rather than buying an expensive book. I am not one of those who believes in psychotherapy, but much more important than that is authoritative voices denouncing psychiatric pseudoscience and the harm it causes, and showing that it is possible to come back from “treatment.”
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The fact that psychiatry is pseudoscience is fundamentally irrelevant. Much more important – psychiatry is a crime. It is a monstrous crime and it does monstrous harm. And from such harm, from such a level of damage, it is far from always possible to recover.
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Is the military industrial complex a crime? Wake up. It’s everywhere.
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I am sorry but we are long past the military industrial complex. We are now in the world of big tech/big pharma and bunch of etc. I honestly cannot repeat without spending centuries in confession. Thank you.
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Just because something is systemic and omnipresent doesn’t mean it’s not criminal.
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No, the military industrial complex is not a crime. Because the military-industrial complex is a means (one of the means) of waging war. The war is started by politicians. Moreover may started by some, others are forced to react. In any case, the culprit may be the one who started. But not that which is the means.
Psychiatry (compulsory psychiatry) is aimed at destroying an unwanted person. Destruction is the goal of psychiatry. Therefore, she uses the means of destruction. But, of course, not the means themselves are guilty, but those who use theirs.
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I agree — if it were “scientific” it would be even more dangerous, as it would achieve its goal of social control much more efficiently. 🙁 So good point.
I guess I’ll ask you too — I’m taking a poll — do you believe that psychiatry cannot be reformed and should be eliminated entirely?
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Peter G.,
I disagree with one area mainly.
Medical treatment-induced sickness, iatrogenesis, is not at all limited to psychiatry. Not in drug-induced and hospital-induced sickness and death, not in poly-pharmacy to treat the treatment, not in some arrogance and disrespect and bureaucracy, not in malpractice lawsuits, and not in price-gouging. I don’t know why you would say that there are no ‘survivors’ of other specialities, medical fields, or healthcare systems.
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Receiving medical care is the third leading cause of death in the USA. But I would bet that psychiatry is at the front of the line in terms of iatrogenic deaths.
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Steve,
I don’t disagree, although I didn’t know that appalling statistic. And death is the peak of the mountain, not to mention the rugged path below it.
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Too true! For every death, there are dozens of injuries that mostly go unreported. As well we all know!
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And the craziest is when they injure you “psychologically”. 🙂 It was after I was shamed and humiliated about my being afraid of not being able to breathe, that I looked at my future and could see what assholes I would be blessed with and no, I’m not on this earth to be their income and yet be treated like dirt.
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That must be very, very true!
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It would be if it were properly tabulated. The best way to deny something is to exclude it from being counted.
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That’s for sure!
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Steve McCrea– Yes, I have, too, read that “receiving medical care” is the third leading cause of death in the US. This is definitely something they want to hide from Americans. I think psychiatry may be at the front of the line as far as these “iatrogenic” deaths, but, other specialties, are in strenuous competition. Unfortunately, in America, going to see a doctor is a very risky thing to do. It might be healthier and less life-risking to make a motorcycle jump across the Grand Canyon; which is an an extremely rare thing for anyone to attempt and you could fall off your motorcycle into the Canyon. Thank you.
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I think chemo and radiation might be up there too — except the deaths they cause are written off as cancer deaths (sound familiar)?
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I agree. Cancer treatment kills lots of people! But at least in that case the disease itself can kill you, so the risk of death is more understandable. Risking death because someone behaves in ways that society finds difficult to manage? Seriously?
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Many cancers develop very slowly and painlessly and may actually be a temporary bulwark against toxicity the body can’t eliminate effectively, i.e. an immune response. Ripping it all out and trying to zap it away I think will be looked back upon as ignorant and barbaric. But as it stands probably even studying the this sort of thing is verboten.
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It is true that the US medical society is pretty obsessed with cutting out anything remotely related to cancer. However, at least there is an actual THING to be evaluated in that case. Psychiatry is the only profession I know that has done surgery for the sole purpose of destroying normal, healthy cells.
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Steve McCrea: On your comment about psychiatry, remember that the psychiatrists believe your brain cells are diseased and need to be excised or whatever. They believe this just as much as an oncologist does. Please never forget, psychiatry is a profession of rabid believers. In many ways, they make the concept of “extremists” seem utterly “middle of the road.”
Oldhead: Your comment was very interesting. Once I read that the body may be fighting cancers every day and usually wins. Unfortunately, it is when one gets out of control intervention is needed. I think this is probably true with many other diseases, also, some even considered infectious. I think our bodies and our brains are stronger fighters against any diseases than the medical and the psychiatric community want us to believe. I also question as far as intervention goes with any disorder or disease, alleged or not, why must the medical establishment take the most painful way out for the person who is suffering. Actually, so many times the suffering doe not seem to start until the intervention to cure the disease begins. Thank you.
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https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/22/medical-errors-third-leading-cause-of-death-in-america.html
Note that the now use the term “medical errors,” but over 120,000 deaths included in the original study (back in 2001 or so – more than half!) resulted from properly prescribed and properly administered drugs. So it doesn’t require an “error” for doctors to kill you. Standard medical practice does the job more than half the time.
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“A more recent analysis estimates 128,000 Americans die each year as a result of taking medications as prescribed – or nearly five times the number of people killed by overdosing on prescription painkillers and heroin. Sep 27, 2016”
https://health.usnews.com/health-news/patient-advice/articles/2016-09-27/the-danger-in-taking-prescribed-medications#:~:text=A%20more%20recent%20analysis%20estimates,on%20prescription%20painkillers%20and%20heroin.
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Once you have a diagnosis like borderline on your record, you’ll get treated like crap across the board, every part of the health care system. I learned that when I broke three bones in my ankle. I was treated like a sub-human.
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I don’t much care for the term “survivor” in the context of psychiatry. It sounds too victim-ish (no offense). But the context of both is different. If you get caught in a fire and firemen rescue you, you would be the survivor of a fire and not of the firemen or fire department.
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The psychiatrist’s “idea” is limited by the desire to belittle the significance of his crimes. If the patient survived, then everything is not so bad.
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Sorry, DrG, I can’t agree. The whole barrel is rotten!
Infectious Disease survivors are also known as Lyme Disease patients. We have survived faulty IDSA guidelines, faulty CDC advice, doctors and government officials mocking us as “Lyme loonies”, the entire fractured medical system profiting off our myriad symptoms with improper treatments. As a survivor of psychiatry and inadequate lyme treatment, I’m not a fan of western allopathic medicine which has a strong tendency to see symptoms from different bodily systems in isolation from each other and specialists in those systems not being able to see the bigger picture.
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But you not see more complete and more pronounced picture. There no generally interest in helping a person. There is an interest in getting rid of the unwanted person. This is not a medical goal at all!
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This is probably the most striking question.- Why is all this: http://anti-psychiatry.weebly.com/alphabetical-list.html does not cause protest among modern mankind?
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