I read somewhere recently that when Millenials are feeling upset, agitated, down, confused, hopeless, exhausted, or out-of-sorts they wonder if they are just going through a hard time, just struggling with concerns about themselves and their lives, or if they are suffering from a mental illness. No wonder. Since they have been able to comprehend language they have been bombarded by what I call the Biopsychiatric Belief System (BBS).
They have been told that mental illnesses are caused by chemical imbalances, genetic anomalies and brain disorders, that they are not different from diabetes, cancer or acid reflux. They have been told not to be ashamed of such conditions; after all, they have no control over them and they should not be objects of stigma for having them. They have been told that an appropriate response is to take pills that will make them feel better. During their lifetime, the number of Americans using psychotropic drugs has increased dramatically.
Millenials are the victims of a belief system which is cynical, harmful and erroneous. If you believe that how you feel and behave is controlled by biochemistry, genetic dynamics and brain anomalies, you believe that you have no control over your thoughts, emotions, intentions, reactions and behavior. That’s pretty cynical.
There are at least two ways in which the BBS is harmful. First, if you subscribe to it you are likely to see those scary, painful, troubling feelings as being alien and worthless; all you want to do is get rid of them quickly. In doing so you miss an opportunity to learn some valuable lessons from those uncomfortable feelings: what you want and don’t want, what you are afraid of, what threatens you, what is vitally important to you, why you do what you do and don’t do what you don’t do. Second, you are unlikely to enthusiastically and wholeheartedly pursue some form of psychotherapy. That is harmful because psychotherapy writ large is far and away the best way of responding to the states of being that become diagnosed as mental illness.
The research which supports the BBS runs afoul of the confusion between correlation and causation. Believing in it is a form of scientism, “an exaggerated trust in the efficacy of the methods of natural science to explain social or psychological phenomena” (Webster’s New Collegiate Dictionary). Erroneous indeed.
Here is the answer to the Millenials’ Dilemma. There is no difference between mental illness and reactions to troubling and difficult life circumstances and deep concerns about oneself and one’s life. They are one and the same thing.
The great majority of mental illnesses, including the most serious ones, are reactions to life crises, emotional distress, spiritual emergencies, difficult dilemmas, inner conflicts and various forms of overwhelm, including trauma. Mental illnesses are essentially how people avoid emotional pain, protect themselves, feel more adequate and powerful, gain the illusion of control in a world in which the most dangerous things are outside of our control. Mental illnesses are reactions to significant loss and to concerns about one’s ability to live the way one wants to live. They are wake-up calls, signals that something is wrong and needs to be dealt with. Mental illnesses are the painful, uncomfortable, dangerous and debilitating emotions, thoughts and behavior that people experience in the course of dealing with the problems of life. Mental illnesses are reactions to difficult, scary, terrifying, rage-creating life situations. They are reactions to things that have happened to the person. They are caused by the following kinds of concerns:
• Am I going to be able to live the way I want to?
• Am I going to be able to connect with other people in satisfying ways?
• Will I be able to build a love relationship that will enable me to have a satisfying love life and family life
• Am I going to be able to find a job that is satisfying and which pays enough to support me?
• Am I smart, strong, personable, attractive, creative, resilient, flexible enough to be able to live the way I want to live?
• Am I adequate or inadequate?
• Am I going to be able to do what I want to do or am I going to have to shrink myself to fit into the only roles, jobs, relationships that are available to me?
• Am I OK the way I am?
• Am I worthy of living?
How people conceive of mental illness is important because it will determine the kind of treatment they seek. If they believe that mental illnesses are essentially physiological problems of biochemistry, genetic dynamics and brain functions, they are likely to turn to drugs for help, and less likely to enter wholeheartedly into psychotherapy.
By psychotherapy I mean all forms of psychotherapy: cognitive-behavioral therapy, hypnotherapy, body-centered therapy, trauma-informed therapy, narrative therapy, solution-focused therapy, group psychotherapy, art and music therapy, mindfulness meditation, yoga, nutrition, exercise, support groups, supported housing, 12-step groups, help with love relationships and family relationships, help with finding satisfying and rewarding work, help with finding enjoyable and healthy ways of expressing oneself.
Here are the comparable benefits and risks of treatment with drugs and treatment with psychotherapy:
Treatment with drugs
You may feel somewhat more energetic and alive if you take an upper like Prozac, Paxil, Adderall or Ritalin or somewhat less anxious and agitated if you take a downer like Atavan, Xanax, Zyprexa or Risperdal. In the case of antidepressants the research says that the feeling better is largely due to the placebo effect but, nevertheless you may be feeling better.
You’ll suffer from serious “side effects” including increased incidence and risk of:
• Sexual dysfunction
• Akathisia – extremely uncomfortable and dangerous restlessness
• Emotional blunting – loss of conscience and caring
• Depersonalization – a sense of loss of contact with yourself
• In the case of antipsychotics like Zyprexa, Abilify, Geodon and Risperdal, “side effects” include:
• Tardive diskinesia – a Parkinson-like loss of control over muscles and gait.
• Cognitive impairment
• Brain shrinkage
• Early death – persons who take antipsychotics die on average 25 years younger than people who don’t take them
If and when you stop taking the drug you will suffer serious withdrawal effects. In the case of anti-anxiety drugs such as Atavan and Xanax, that can involve years of debilitating recovery. This is because the drugs have caused your brain to compensate for its changed condition so when you stop taking the drugs, your brain will be in a dysfunctional state. Since the drugs you are taking act on the brain in the same way that cocaine, heroin and meta-amphetamines act on the brain, you will suffer the same kind of withdrawal effects as do persons who use illegal drugs.
If and when you stop taking the drug you are likely to experience a relapse of the symptoms that led you to seek treatment.
You will have bought into a very cynical and unhealthy message. When you are feeling bad, take a drug.
Treatment with psychotherapy:
• You will gain self-management skills and knowledge that you will be able to use for the rest of your life to stay healthy and happy:
• The meaning of your symptoms and how you can use them to become healthier and happier;
• What makes you tick;
• Why you do what you do and don’t do what you don’t do;
• What you want and don’t want;
• Develop compassion for yourself;
• Become aware of the beliefs, assumptions, attitudes and habits which drive your behavior but which lie below the level of your consciousness;
• Learn how to deal with the difficult dilemmas we all face from time to time;
• Become able to connect with others in satisfying ways without giving up too much of yourself,
• Manage your fears so that you can avoid what you need to avoid and walk with the fears you need to walk with;
• Become more accepting and comfortable with parts of yourself that are scary, painful and shameful and which have been taking lots of energy to hide from yourself and others;
• Learn how to become more aware of what you want and how to get it without threatening your relationships and;
• Become more able to use your strengths, talents and faculties in satisfying and contributing ways.
• As you learn how to manage your thoughts, feelings, intentions and perceptions in healthier ways, your brain will change in beneficial ways.
• You might waste some time and money.
• You might receive some advice or messages that will get in the way of you becoming healthier and which might send you down the wrong path for a while.
But what about the scientific evidence? Isn’t there evidence through brain scans that mental illnesses are caused by chemical imbalances and brain disorders? Of course, all human behavior involves biochemistry and brain function. But that doesn’t mean that the chemistry or the brain function causes anything. From what we know about how the mind and body function together it is more likely that the biochemical and brain changes are reactions to what is happening to the person, what the person is perceiving, the difficulty the person is having, the concerns the person has.
That is what happens in the stress response, the most widely studied and best understood of the human mind-body dynamics. The stress response is a profound biochemical dynamic which includes the secretion of neurotransmitters such as norepinephrine and noradrenaline. But it doesn’t come out of the blue. It doesn’t just happen. Rather, it is a response by the person to some threat or to some demand that is placed upon her or him. It is a reaction to something that has happened to the person. This is in keeping with what we know about human beings. Human beings are not random organisms. They are meaning-making, desiring beings who live with a purpose. States of being such as mental illnesses don’t just come on them out of the blue. Rather, they are reactions to something that has happened, to some kind of concern, fear, need, thwarted desire, frustration.
So the good news is that you do have control over your psyche – your thoughts, intentions, reactions and behavior. You do have the ability to heed the wake-up call, to deal with, learn from and recover from emotional distress, life crises, spiritual emergencies, difficult dilemmas, trauma and overwhelm. The bad news is that you now have to deal with this perverse issue of blame. One of the reasons for the popularity of the Biopsychiatric Belief System is that it takes away blame. You are not to blame for your genes, brain or biochemical system going awry.
Apparently, the obverse thought is that, if you have control over your psyche and if your psyche is in bad shape, you are to blame for it. That has never made sense to me. How can I blame people for the states of their psyches? People have no control over their early experience. That experience is essentially under the control of their parent(s). And what happens to them during the first 18 or so years of their lives has a powerful impact on the rest of their lives and on their ability to manage their psyches effectively. If a person does not receive the care, support, affirmation, attunement – love, if you will – that a person needs in order to grow into a healthy adult, s/he is going to have a hard time managing her or his psyche. S/he may learn how to do that but it is going to take a lot of hard work and help from others. How, then, could I blame someone for having a hard time managing his or her psyche?
So I would encourage all of us, including the Millenials, to remove the word “blame” from our vocabularies when we are talking about psychological difficulty. The bottom line is that what you believe about mental illness and mental health can make a big difference in your life. Think about it.
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Well said Al!
There has been a huge change in the very language that people are using to describe themselves and their emotional lives over the past thirty years. When I started in practice, people would come in saying things like “I’m feeling sad lately” or “I’ve been upset” or “I’m not feeling like myself”. The most common opening statement that people are likely to say these days is “I think I have depression”. The language of the mental health industry is taking over from the language of emotion. Of course, I always respond by saying “Can you tell me how you feel and what’s going on in your life?’ Nonetheless, a significant aspect of doing assessments and therapy these days is helping people to understand that they have emotional and not chemical difficulties. It is not surprising that the pharmaceutical industry prefers and promotes forms of therapy that collude with the “there is something wrong with your brain or the way you think” message, and devalues humanistic therapies.
How’s this for a third option? Don’t take poisonous drugs OR waste your time and money on psychotherapy.
Did I just commit blasphemy by suggesting that?
Blasphemy, like licentiousness (libertinage), was once a diagnosable mental disorder (loony-bin offense). Blasphemy against the bio-psychiatric religion, or the psycho-dynamic religion, I don’t know that they can get you for those right now, but good point. Skepticism is characterized as ‘healthy’, and so, you have to be a little leery about belief systems I would imagine people could get lost in forever. The great God “mental illness” I haven’t accepted into my life yet, dear me. Nothing to confess at this juncture, except maybe a retraction of previous “admissions” given under ‘enhanced interrogation techniques’ duress.
Psyches are just thought up as constructions, so it doesn’t matter to get too specific if the strike intended gets aimed at anti-Bio–I can tell you that. But my intention is not to start in on the whole meaning of human science, and if all “blame”–whatever this man is naming by the term–is in every case perverse, then he got preoccupied A Lot Once. I hope that helps with your dilemma or any further chances to think about restating some of the meaningful content for how it shows loyalty to way out quiet time for kid’s punishments and big bad terrible things for those who murder–like “help”.
But we need the anti-Bio message in any case, and coming across wisely encouraging in how its stated–like this is By Al. The importance of intending to ask yourself how you really stand to answer for things alone counts for much more than no “greater” option. Evidently you are sometimes pretty good at that, if you are prone to such meaningful jokes. This happens anytime you want it to, this taking responsibility, so you will have to work harder at the Blasphemy next time for me to lose the personal benefit of having my own point of view next time over. Sorry about thee gobbledygook language like shows in my first reply above. Gosh, this keeps hurting to say I’m sorry about obscurity, but I am. (Personal note: The funny way to let myself off for that has more and more been that not anyone ever in hundreds of professional contacts, employed any smart language with me during their encounters for which they were having their questions aimed at me, not any language that had anything like possibility of success at work for coming up with the right supportable diagnosis for this system’s people to work on and think about. Generally, few MIA authors’ behavioral healthcare colleagues I’ve known have patiently and deliberately tried to see about what I like, who I am, or what I know. Anyone who used technical language and tried to insist it fit my case really missed the point. Only the people who let the questions stand and were willing to believe that my own interest was high in getting somewhere about my problems for myself did anything for me at all. But no one ever said “disorder of agency” or “fragmented memories” or “flashback sequences” or “depersonalization” were any kind of thing for me to check against my “lived experience” or how I felt or thought, not ever once. Not even in abiofeedback program promoted for PTSD with doctors and therapists both, recommended to me by own now departed sister who killed herself for not getting her Paxil to fix everything for everybody who wanted it to–or something close to that in motive regarding the drug option. Plus, there is no such thing as MIA impact where I reside, and the opposite is still true here very frequently, as contrasted with some comprehensive of general interests to keep explicit when helping people with relating to the value of personal growth.) So your comment let me channel much more than I could think to say something about is easiest way to put it, at this point.
How you can do that aforementioned self-inquiry right and much better from time time with advisement, I promise you can tell if you ever have your chance to get very deep into therapy, though. Then the everyday changes lots, but the label–whichever one–stays as stigmatizing as ever unless you help people change their minds about how smart they are to like you with trauma issues that you are starting to recover from, instead of how in awe of psychiatry they were while believing that you were less than needed because you would never get good at much and do it reliably well. As everybody knows, the minority of absolute compliance example cases show perfectly great, happy and spontatneous lovers of life coming out of the usual treatment programs. Anyway, finding good therapy isn’t easy, and half of the content of this article suggests that we need to expect to run into shopping problems right up front, which is an OK thing to leave implicit in my view. Sometimes it is best to leave shopping advice aside or implicit for anything important to do, when your particular need is for procuring services rather than goods, ifyou see the point in that. That’s one thing, and another is that crisis intervention really is out there doing little good most of the time than what anyone tired of this system’s service commitments knows. But if some rich mix of talented peer and non-peer mixed crews got together and ramped that up like some have been know to be trying, that is one way of keeping numerous individuals getting the emergency vehicles all fired up in their honor and feeding themselves back to the hospital wards for renewed detentions and no new techniques. That is a way I myself found honest support but once, but I won’t forget it or how it could have helped my sister to have practiced calling and saying two things about her feeling really just shy of giving up on herself. That you get taken away immediately upon saying you think about if that is what you should do makes no very good sense. I have had half a dozen people at least say as much to me, and we arrived at no further understanding than that I wasn’t there to help change their minds about anything very personal and unique about them, or get to the bottom of what about their minds were so messed up. At first blush upon reading your comment, I was thinking “…Nonetheless, the general points this blogpost makes all count for something having to do how you know live options when you see them”, etc., or something. You know it has to do with your take on your basic needs and interests as well as your thoughts about how you want your purposes overall to start working out, right now. I mean that to me, you want “stop and think about time daily lots and lots”, becasue this puts you into the right positive attitude–if you know what you are doing–to see much about your relationship to your feelings that you couldn’t just by wishing you had mapped them all out. And the variety of replies in the thread has good range and no matter how seemingly disputatious you find yourself in reaction to such efforts as Dr. Galves for something that leaves you hanging out with the aburdity of the material implications in respect to your life, here, you are bound to get inspired to try to achieve thoughtfulness and levelheadedness about the options you create. Of course, how your comment first affected me led to that realization of the good seriousness in your joke, and I’m still laughing just the same. Thank you for making your reply so interesting, J., and I am sorry my first handling of these same concerns with the same conceptual framework for spelling out my beliefs about options as before turned out so garbled in reply. In fact, in comparison, your comment was like someone as passenger saying to a busyminded and meandering talker behind the wheel–“Look at that lovely tornado!” But I learned how to get very deeply into therapy basically despite what was ever on offer, and from just glimpses of something that could have headed somewhere nice enough for someone who was not me, if the person got to see her lighten up like she had lightened up with me long enough to reveal about how things would go. But I had too much to get straight without more theories, that’s for sure, and some direct questions asked of me fairly early on if not immediately–about like “What do you think they were trying to do to you?” with raised eyebrows, and a sort of baffled curiosity amidst the expressions behind it, would have given me just the assurance I needed for seeing how my window-shopping had actually worked out, if you now what I mean. So, nothing much worth telling about went down for me, but I got it made easy to see therapeutic options like you couldn’t get enough of them if I look where my instincts tell me to go with my attention to the matter, now. So this people-pleaser of an article from Dr. Galves fits for me like a blurry gust of a familiar whirlwind of updates on social actions needed, the same as for the telling range of self-help reminders given away. Oh, well–so many thoughts to wait on from how you let yourself get affected. So many thoughts, and then the best part of the trip–that I like. Thank you, J., for your pleasant contribution, too.
What? Neither of you are “normal”!? I guess that makes each of you, and Al too, up for normality-free certificates. I imagine a day when normality-free certificates will be held in the same high, or relatively so, regard as Peer Support Specialist Certificates. Let me tell you! “Normal” don’t know what s/he’s missing.
Of course, Al might have to lighten up on that psycho-analysis a bit as who knows where it might lead…Can’t lead to “normality” though, not for the shrink of a client anyway. Not without shrinking the shrink to a vanished point, and as all must know, a vanished point, however normality-free, needs sharpening.
Thumbs up on the anti-toxic substance, contra chemical imbalance theory, message where Millenials are concerned nonetheless.
Not in my books – I prescribe to the same heresy ;).
This is a great article, Al. I will share it with some people I know.
The powerlessness and hopelessness engendered by BBS language is, I think, by far the worst element of this biopsychiatric language.
Great article, Al..It is similar to one called “Medicating Women’s Emotions” that appeared recently in the New York Times, with the same message as this. Yeah, it is chilling to see how much the psychiatric worldview has begun to dominate our culture..
You express it brilliantly.
I agree with nearly everything you say in this article, and I think Recovery is possible for everyone.
I couldn’t agree more. Our profession has completely lost its way.
well said Al and R Berezin. Or, perhaps more disturbingly, your profession has been carefully and methodically, led astray by those pursuing profit and influence – with no regard for human casualty and suffering.
Thank you so much for writing this. If I had known these things when I was growing up, my life today would be healthier and more joyful than is. Biological psychiatry is endangering Mad Youth. Somehow, we need to stop it before we lose another generation to suicide, incarceration, and death from the so-called “treatments” administered by clinicians who feel it is at once their privilege, their right, and their duty to exterminate us.
Some psychologists, unfortunately, are staunch believers in the bio-bio-bio psychiatric theories also, so do beware. I know, because it was a psychologist who gas lighted me. And she so deluded the psychiatrist she had me seeing that, once the decent nurses in my PCPs office handed over my medical records, likely out of disgust at my PCP. And I’d read them, realized basically what had occurred, I confronted my psychiatrist with all his delusions written into my records. After that, one of our last conversations went a little like this:
Kohn: “Oh, you must feel so powerless.”
Me: “No, Dr. Kohn, I’m writing a book about it.” (With a big smile.)
Kohn: “Can this all just go away.”
I agree, “what you believe makes a difference.” I was old enough, when I was railroaded, that I hadn’t been brought up believing in the BBS, actually I had next to no knowledge of it whatsoever. But this meant I never did buy into my doctors’ unsubstantiated claims I had some mysterious “genetic disease,” of which I had no genetic history. Now that doesn’t mean a psychopath creating the central symptoms of anticholinergic intoxication syndrome with drug cocktail after drug cocktail can’t make a woman ungodly ill, he can.
And, once I’d researched the BBS, I was amazed, shocked, and truly heartbroken at the almost unfathomable magnitude of psychiatry’s similar iatrogenic “bipolar” creation, against so many innocent children. And the awe inspiring, and insane, stupidity of such a belief system. Truly, it’s staggering to me that an entire industry can be so delusional – although it is quite profitable, I do see the motives of those participating in these massive in scope crimes against humanity.
But at least I now know who the unrepentant hypocrites Dante claimed belong in the lowest depths of hell are, and there’s apparently almost an entire industry on this planet that hopes to be defamed and tortured for the rest of their existence, since that’s how they treat others. Truly, the greed inspired stupidity of the well insured, but largely unrepentant, psychiatric industry is mind blowing to me.
All people should treat others as they’d like to be treated. And as my sweet and brilliant son noticed, when he was just a little child, the Golden Rule has a catch. When Jesus comes back to judge all others, he should judge them based upon how they treated others.
No one, but God, knows when, and many don’t even know for certain if, Jesus will return. But I’m quite certain those still continuing to gas light people into the psychiatric system, now that the DSM disorders have been confessed to be scientifically “lacking in validity.” Who believe defaming and torturing people for the rest of their lives is acceptable behavior, would be the exact people that would result a need for an eternal torment, if such is needed.
Food for thought, “don’t say I didn’t warn you.” But who knows, possibly God? Personally, however, I’m praying for a return of common decency and mutual respect on this planet. Please wake up your colleagues, psychiatry and psychology. It’s not supposed to be us vs them, it’s supposed to be, one for all, and all for one. A society succeeds if we all work together, and divide and conquer is a well known war tactic.
Does the majority within today’s psychological / psychiatric system really want the evil bankers and the corporations, who have now seemingly taken over this country, and that Thomas Jefferson warned us about, actually want to aid and abet in destroying this country? Or are you merely unaware of the fact your fictitious diseases are being used to divide this country, and just so thrilled to be given respect and unchecked power, that nothing else matters? Please wake up, psychiatrists and psychologists. “All people are created equal” in the USA. Please grow up, and join the mutual respect society, instead.
Up until I was 16 years old I was a true believer in all titled so called angels of mercy , societies mainstream licensed medical professionals whom I believed were selflessly primarily concerned with the healing of the sick and they had my upmost respect and it would not even have occurred to me to question them . So I was taught by my parents plus this was reenforced by society all around.
Then the medical doctor advised my parents to place me into a mental institution . Believing I was the one and only Messiah , having trouble sleeping ,and taking my clothes off was more than enough to get me the big S diagnosis plus psychotic for life and forced injections , forced chemical lobotomy 800 mg. thorazine per day recommended for life with various other drug additions to add more side effects . Soon I realized that psychiatrists and social workers did not know what they were doing and my life was in danger from these people. I lied and told them I was not the Messiah and whatever else they wanted to hear and was released back to my parents with instructions to continue forever the thorazine plus .
How could I not rebel ? It was not possible if I wanted to live . It was a 44 year battle to freedom from on and off psychiatric compliance torture.
I learned much through fortunately meeting a wise natural healer who was actually everything positive which the conventional mainstream so called professionals were absolutely not . These so called professionals include every conventional medical doctor , nurse, dentist, psychiatrist , social worker I ever met . The rat hole goes deep and the realization of how many lies we are surrounded by, many believed and enforced by well meaning people along with those just self interested , is a truth that removes the ground from under a person . And yet part of living is accepting that this can happen more then once in life and that so called schools of higher learning may have become a tool for the powerful to control all aspects of the population including whether they live or die and how.
Prozac and Paxil are not “uppers.”
Ativan, not Atavan.
Implying here is an risk of early death from using antipsychotics is misleading in the extreme, for what should be obvious reasons.
I want to listen to what you’re saying, and these types of statements make it difficult to do so.
Orbit – I Get your intents. But about your hesistation to lay out your terms more definitively for Dr. Galves…. He probably can’t read you like a skeptic and get down to business in a like manner as you try doing in your posts if he doesn’t know something about where you are coming from and your level of expertise. Right, the evidence base goes through the crosshairs when science turns from forensic to chemical analyses, from pieces case histories together to diseecting molecules and watching them affect how DNA dances, and so forth. But the game of protesting too much about how you classify controlled substances has to get approached gamily, not rigidly like the one way is totally the only way to do it. That problem starts for most of us and for how our lives go in DEA classifications, that is the Law here, etc. To neglect the context won’t get you seeing how you want about that fine split between science trial and error and scientific theoretical reductions of theories and terms from one model to the next. It’s tough stuff, so you’d better get your background representing you here, if you want the value of expressing yourself to count in the mix and reward you in the first place for say your peace and all. Do you read philosophy of science? Antipsychiatry needs big help with that.
Orbit – for when… The other typos and crazy grammatical lapses and unusual tenses, you can figure–I believe. Take it easy.
While not technically “uppers,” SSRIs are acknowledged by mainstream psychiatrists to have a stimulating or “activating” effect on people.
There absolutely is a documented increased risk of an early death from antipsychotic drug use, due to diabetes, other metabolic disturbances, obesity, and heart effects of the atypicals. It is perhaps somewhat hyperbolic to blame the entire 25-year shortening of the lifespan of the “seriously mentally ill” on antipsychotics, since there are other impacts, such as smoking, drug use, and suicide. On the other hand, smoking is often reported by those taking antipsychotics to help with reducing the side effects (makes sense, as smoking gives a little boost to dopamine, which is massively decreased by AAPs), and there is also some evidence that the AAPs do increase suicide rates somewhat (makes sense also, since they usually mess with serotonin as well), though not as much as the SSRIs.
So while Al may have used a little poetic license, he is essentially speaking the truth here. Antipsychotics do reduce people’s lifespans dramatically. And Paxil and Prozac are “uppers” of a sort. As for Ativan, I hope your correction was for educational purposes, not to somehow discredit the author. Not knowing how to spell the brand name for a drug hardly disqualifies someone from speaking on this important issue.
For some people Prozac and Paxil are uppers in the very worst sense and very erratic and so-called “manic” behavior can result from their use. The SSRI’s are devious and like the devil’s tic tacs (ange’s description of the toxic drugs) for sure.
Orbit – hi, again and hope you got clear messages. I think that Dr. Galves knows what he hopes he knows, but not a point of view that’s not his. Like everyone. So I had good positive stuff in reserve besides concern that I couldn’t see how to spell out above. I did just sort of instinctually absorb some essence of the article, like stated to jw_arndt, above.
I had got curious with your remarks, earlier, and an idea came into my head. One that was hard to get started on since it seemed to require meeting you halfway, and I didn’t know half of the way. The things that were easier to say just were easier for myself to relate and care about thinking over because I do anyway. Sorry about that– if it was, or sounded like a bad reply.
Here is the positive, which needed some time. Thank you for yours, again. This: your focus, your communication style and your way of thinking, as sparse as your language sometimes is, together these reflect the differences in various approaches to subject matter involving Theory of Practice. To be precise, what is called Theory of Praxis, when done right, answers to what it takes to teach and refine someone’s acqusition of a particular set of skills. Whatever is humanly practiced falls within its domain. In given sets of circumstances and in all areas of life, when people set out to learn what to do, Praxis seeks to know how they did it.
I thought maybe you knew and maybe not about that, and that you should check it out in searches at this point, either way. Just add it in as a keyword. Science to communications majors can use praxis theory for research. I downloaded some things myself because they aligned with my prior reading interests. You might find something at the comfortable midway point that allows transitions from easy to hard, which is the potential I see for how issues in praxis might help me. I hope that made more sense!
To reiterate, Orbit: your focus, way of thinking, and communication style remind me of someone who has worked through some of what studying praxis theory teaches. Maybe you could say it teaches how to learn from necessary learning experiences better, including with books and articles and feedback. How you personally mean to get busy and to get something done is about your learning style and communication interests, and not just what someone can tell you, definitely. But there it is–this image of praxis theory occurring to me in looking at your latest comment, got me pretty wound up about things I believed I needed to get busy on.
You seem like you could get a soft focus working for yourself right now really well. Maybe looking around at the literature for this field will give you ideas about looking arounds for more. Since ways that practice makes good on its aims is what it’s about.
A nice piece of writing. Thank you.
Thanks for all of your responses. Thanks jw arndt for reminding us that there are all kinds of ways of getting on a healing path that don’t involve drugs or psychotherapy.
I think Steve did a good job of responding to orbit’s objections.
It’s good to see Frank Blankenship and Ted Chabasinksi still contributing to this battle we’re engaged in. Keep going.
Uber psychiatrists like Lieberman and some blogging psychiatrists I have seen now openly admit that they’ve always known that mental illness wasn’t biological and the medications didn’t target a specific imbalance, they just told their patients that to get them to take the medication. Then they express outrage at not be given unconditional positive regard. What adult does that? They’ve brainwashed entire populations into believing that psychiatrists actually understand the brain, emotions, and psychic distress and expect people to understand that that was for their own good. I don’t even.
Such entitlement! They believe it is right to lie in order to convince people to go along with their plans, and are baffled and upset when people object. Sounds extremely narcissistic to me! Maybe that’s why they 86ed “Narcissistic Personality Disorder” in the DSM 5 – it fit too many of them a bit too closely!
Actually, that’s basically what I read somewhere. When the psychiatrists were voting the “mental illnesses” into the DSM, if the symptoms hit too close to home, they’d be nixed from the book.
And my experience was that every psychiatrist I dealt with was a sociopath, or else incredibly stupid and delusional. And at this point, I think anyone still stigmatizing others with the now confessed to be invalid DSM disorders, would have to be a classified as a narcassistic psychopath.
What sane and ethical person doesn’t know defaming and torturing people is not acceptable adult behavior? Not to mention the total hypocrisy of doctors who’d promised to “first and foremost do no harm” behaving in this manner.
How absurd the medical community claims the same drugs used to torture war criminals, can also cure children. I’m living in a sick world.
“my experience was that every psychiatrist I dealt with was a sociopath, or else incredibly stupid and delusional”
I can back that up with my experience. Not one who was anything other than a psychopath or a fool.
Ditto – psychiatrists are also beyond the reach of the law, and so operate completely unchecked….actually supported, in fact, in their abuse.
Two of the five psychiatrists that I had to deal with on my case actually screamed at me at the top of their lungs, with spittle flying out of their mouths! They were disgusting as well as being psychologically and emotionally abusive. One of them actually stated that he thought that the murder of my sister in New York City was “interesting”! I kid you not, “interesting” was the very word he used when I told him that I’d received word the day before that she’d been murdered. Of course he said this without ever looking up at me. When I said that I felt like the world was coming down all around me he jumped out of his seat, lunged at me and screamed, “That’s stupid!” This was when I realized that psychiatry was not a true specialty of medicine but something akin to flim flummery and snake oil peddlers.
Uber psychiatrists like Lieberman and some blogging psychiatrists I have seen now openly admit that they’ve always known that mental illness wasn’t biological and the medications didn’t target a specific imbalance, they just told their patients that to get them to take the medication
Do you have a link to some documentation of this?
Not challenging your comment, but a good quote or three would be invaluable for our talking points.
Hi Oldhead, R.W.’s and L.C.’s new book or this talk
are good sources for exact quotes acknowledging that neither the serotonin hypothesis for depression nor the dopamine hypothesis for psychosis turned out to be correct.
This is the real tragic truth; the psychiatrist and the entire “mental illness industry/conspiracy” and of course, BigPharma think they are not only the law; but are above all laws; even God’s Laws and Commandments. Yes, Someone Else, we are living in a sick world and it is time we work and pray to make it well again in our own unique God-given ways. Thank you.
Good article for the younger crowd.
I think people have felt somehow “wrong” or “broken” for eons and is usually dependent on the culture they live in.
It is dependent on family, on social circles, school, church, jobs and society. It relies on self blame, comparisons, just like psychiatry likes it.
And it was the perfect time to call this thing a “mental illness”
Few people are as disordered as Psychiatrists. In fact, they seem to have some deep seated anger that gets projected.
We can easily see this by the harms they cause and by their infexibility. They will not take a label away from a patient, as if that label was a kind of communicable disease.
How is that for science. And who gives a rats azz about science, one still has to call it a “mental illness”, in their opinion. And if indeed the science they have preached to be evidence, then why are they still looking?
Because actual researchers are catching up to them.
In fact soon the political arena which is being drained with no more money to spend on this garbage, will ask harder questions.