Wednesday, January 23, 2019

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  • I do believe love which exudes happiness is the answer to mental illness. When my son was just 6 months old my husband became redundant and it looked like him getting another job was slim. Having lived in poverty before I became frightened about our precarious future. Then I suffered one of the craziest episodes in my life. I never stopped loving my husband but the love of my new born son and fear of the future made me ill. I believe happiness cures most that ails us and now my son a grown man has experienced a romantic loss and is looking to be admitted to hospital. Any loss can bring about illness. Sometimes Dr Breggin love is not enough as i devotedly love my son but cannot make him well again.

  • yeah denzig666 i agree totally. I also believe we are consumed by electric impulses in our bodies. I believe they came from out of space and we just host our earthly bodies and when they die our electric impulses some may call the soul go back into space. we are only here for the ride so speak to find out about earth and what it’s like to live here at any given time. I think this has always happened. I believe there is a God Almighty Ruler of the Universe and that nobody on earth has ever seen it or is likely to. I believe jesus christ was an alien hybrid. that his mother had a visit from an alien and was artificially inseminated. that joseph her husband to be also had a visit from an alien and jesus was half human half alien. hence he could perform miracles. of course he died. then went back into space. to me i am immortal and it is kind of like star wars. i don’t fear death on earth and i believe my husband is travelling the universe as i write this. may sound quite bazaar but has its rationality about it don’t you think?

  • Hi danzig666 – ‘PSYCHOLOGICALLY, I believe in psychological socialism’

    yes me too. and the fact death is so much part of life. it surrounds us. but nobody talks directly to us about our own death. we will all encounter our own death. there is no escape. to control how and when we leave this planet should not be seen maybe as a failure in life as such but the fact we took our lives in our own hands. we had the ultimate autonomy. it wasn’t left to doctors or caregivers to say exactly when we should leave this world. we decided. we took it upon ourselves. death was no longer prolonged by medication or we weren’t drugged into oblivion. we decide when we commit suicide. why should it be considered such a tragedy. why should death be considered such a tragedy. if life continues and nobody really knows afterwards or if we are in endless sleep then we either enter a new realm of adventure or we know nothing about it. it is only a tragedy for the lives left behind and each has their own personal way of dealing with grief.

  • what a remarkable person you are Carlene. I must have attempted my life 20 times at least i have lost count. now i know i have to live for my son. this last time i was going to stop eating and drinking and did that for two days with one day left to go. i called for help because yet again i thought of my son. so my plan is to just not have any pills in my house available for me to overdose on. i overdosed on vitamin pills and herbal sleepers. nothing happened of course. i googled the dangers later and found out they are just chalk.

    suicide prevention and i did make myself quite ill last time is something you seem to have learnt to do as a fine art. well done. quite remarkable.

  • a couple of glasses of tonic wine got rid of my psychosis and delusions and helped me sleep thats all i know before i ever consulted psychiatrists and went on the merrygoround of drugs.

    and the little bottle of Indian Brandy my mum gave me a few drops of. it worked. I went and recovered back into society until i got labelled then everything went downhill except i got married and that was a happy marriage and i have a wonderful son who i love very much.

    Thank you streetphotobeing very much!

  • Just wanted to say i read somewhere that wine is good for psychosis. Years ago when i first started with this condition my mum used to nurse me at home long before i went to visit a psychiatrist. she would take the world off my shoulders and lay me down on the sofa under a warm duvet after giving me a glass of tonic wine. she also used Indian brandy from a little bottle as a hot toddy. with mum’s love and care i always recovered quickly went back to work and had good years of life before i ever consulted a psychiatrist. She in her wisdom taught me another way but unfortunately i still ended walking down the wrong road.

    sometimes the simple things can be the greatest cures.

  • actually ever since i have been admitted to this hospital they have injected or forced me to take something oral then they have messed about with the dosages every week. up an down. increased and decreased and my moods have been up and down too and all over the place.

    today had another meeting and you’ve guessed it the doctor saw fit to alter the dosage again.

    i wrote him a letter. then another quoting what Micheal suggest we say to these people. Word for word i put down exactly what Micheal has written about them simply not giving a damn. He is back Monday and should get it then.

    I have done more sorting my life out from housing and life studies from here on my hospital bed then any of them have done for me and this will be a three months stunt again. all for wasting police time and foolishly asking for help.

    Thank you so much Michael for your wonderful post.

  • there is no question in my mind that the label of madness is detrimental to a person. a degredation ceremony is not what comes to mind being coerced or conned into treatment doesn’t either but accepting that there was something drastically wrong with my mind does come to mind and receiving help does. that it was the only help available and yes much better than none even if it did numb my feelings give me sleeping hours and take me away from me the torment then that was a good thing.

    the fact society didn’t accept me as being a valuable person well that is part and parcel of politics and where money is involved there will always be politics. if we were considered elite members of society everyone would want psyche drugs wouldn’t they? they would all want to jump on the bandwagon. i have no side affects except somnulance and i really appreciate that. i might heart disease but i am after all 67 and they are checking me over thoroughly at present.

    really madness throughout history has been frowned upon by every society. very few communities welcome it in my experience and reading we have been ostracized throughout history and generations. nobody when madness attacks escapes from the lowest to the highest in society. that is madness. if you recover then your lucky and can build a life for yourself. but if you continue then madness holds you and blights your life and you are lucky to keep a roof over your head.

    i consider myself not only lucky but also extremely gifted in that i will be finding a future now for myself and possibly my son. given god grants me another ten years then i know i can achieve this dream i have and others agree with me. those who you proclaim to be con merchants actually support me with this and think my ideas wonderful to benefit so many.

    it take just a break in someone’s life. just one break. it is not just what cards you are dealt with in life it is how you play them.

    i wish everyone on here the best of health and good wishes for the future

    there is a little wooded grove here by the hospital where a sculptress has carved a large wooded bird.

    she has written beneath it the words – have faith in the past – accept the present – trust in the future.

  • where i am now on this psyche ward we all feel compassion for one another. you can feel compassion anywhere and in any place with anyone. it depends on you as a person and your own experiences in life. as a little community like i say compassion is shared but we have no tools to put that in a motion where other than words it would help any of us. the nurses and doctors have all the tools. like paramedics. without those tools although the compassion is deep it spreads little to alleviate the suffering. however those with the tools when they show the slightest semblance of compassion it goes a long long way. it happens. nobody here is attempting to take advantage or do someone harm. that i know. they are not con merchants. neither are paramedics. they are back up carers on the front line of emergencies and this to me today although not everyone is best trained they are indeed caring and nobody is taking advantage of anyone. and my medicine is what it is treatment. whether this treatment is wrong or not and isn’t up to date doesn’t mean the compassion is not given out with this tool. without tools to put compassion into work then it only runs a slight course and anyone can use words.

  • actually paul keith i don’t get the drift of most of what you write although i am sure it makes sense somehow to you. as for the young lesbian and her father having police authority over her then when she becomes of age the law is on her side and he no longer would have authority over her.

    as for abuse i have been involved with psychiatry for 42 years and very rarely witnessed abuse only had one person verbally abuse me in all of this time. yes i have been forced medication on me and you could say this is against my human rights. but i had my injection three days ago against my will and am today a much happier and better person for it.

    but you don’t want to hear that do you. maybe things are different here. i do know like i say of abuse happening but not to me or mine.

    i wish you well.

  • Actually Paul Keith I was married for 33 years before my husband died and he was a manic depressive. As a result my son my only child suffered abandonment issues and was sent to the GP and of course they bombarded him with drugs. Now he has a mental illness too. Also my husband was well for 17 years on medication before he died of lung cancer. I on the other hand have recovered but because i have been prescribed neuroleptics for 42 year i can’t get off them because the withdrawals are too painful.

    I was and have been through the system and seen many people with these conditions. As for an ordinary woman like myself changing 100 year old law like the Mental Health Act well even Sir Simon Wessley writes that it is an impossibility and we can only just review certain parts of it.

    Seems you are very ideological but not practical and down to earth. I have achieved also writing a book and draw cartoons of my situations in psychiatry. I hope go on to achieve further still being on medication.

    I actually find empathy is okay by me and all the nurses in the hospital where i am are empathic. I don’t need compassion I have enough of that for myself and I have enough for my son. As far as I am concerned strangers don’t buy into compassion. Why? Because they don’t know me! Seems the kind of compassion you deal out I can very well do without! You don’t know me yet you judged me. Seems you should actually begin to learn some empathy.

  • Given the right environment anyone with emotional issues can thrive. In the right environment and it can be different for different people if there is only one person willing to reach out and believe that person’s story that harm was done to them and this is why they are reacting a certain way maybe years later after the harm has been done and as a consequence there has been to that person a build up of harm without a lucky break. Sometimes if compassion is felt for that person then it can mean a lot but compassion doesn’t take away the pain for that person who has suffered it takes an environment where that person’s needs are met.

    People always recover from emotional overwhelm and find themselves in a situation of dire need because they have been uprooted from a society that condemns their actions and says they are at fault not what happened to them. You learn if you are wise to read people but how do you make sense of people in a world where nothing makes sense and you are vulnerable?

    When the arm of the law says because you are considered to suffer from strange unacceptable behavior from time to time then the police can come and get you. How do you read whether a policeman has compassion for you or is basically just doing his job and following the law. The Law is compassion-less.

    Where the law is involved with the welfare of vulnerable people then those people are bound to suffer and compassion doesn’t exist. The law says we should be taken to a place of safety. Where drugs are forced on people this does not exist although many would disagree with me believe it or not.

    People have how compassion towards me and I have to them but nevertheless it doesn’t take away your emotional pain. It is a constant tight rope walk without a safety net and you are so lucky if you manage not to fall.

  • There is only one way of looking at suicide and it is the same way as looking at death. Death is inevitable. When one chooses to die for whatever reason that may be we are looking at death. I personally believe the electrical currents which run through our bodies live on once our human bodies have expired. living now or living in the next world i don’t want anyone telling me when or how i must die. it should be a personal choice too many busy bodies interfering and playing at god almighty get me down.

  • Hi Eric, once I actually convinced my doctor I would be alright coming off all my medication I had no trouble. Came off extremely slowly then had oral tables PRN to fall back on. Took me a while to figure what to do and the nurses had to find he correct syringe.

    If you are not too busy can you pass a message onto Robert and tell him there is an extremely good artist on his artist page. BARREN – Cheeky Ingelosi A really very good photographer

    If you want to do any justice to the mentally ill you’ll give her two or three pages of her own

  • Talking therapies should be the first port of call when any patient suffering from what is considered a mental health issue turns up in a doctors surgery. Doctors have 5 minutes to spend with each patient. Assessing what is wrong is not possible for most people. So there should be alternatives available at doctors surgeries.

    Talking therapies should be available. I don’t really no why this has never been approached?

  • Basically everybody who becomes a patient in psychiatry is a walking wounded. You go to your doctor with symptoms and in distress that doctor will try and help you. He won’t necessarily attempt to cure you. He will at the best attempt to alleviate your symptoms. That’s what doctors are all about. What has happened is that doctors and nurses haven’t been trained right have they. It is in their training to give out medication to treat distressed people who have what is considered mental health issues.

    Dr Healy when I consulted him recommended Clopixol because I was convinced I had brain damage. In fact I did have dystonia but it psychosomatic. After reading Dr Peter Breggin’s books on the subject and witnessing someone who did in fact have brain damage caused by neuroleptics.

    In any nursing and doctoring procedures with any medication there are side affects. Some people actually don’t make it as hard as you might try for them. I haven’t come across within the NHS doctors taking handouts from drug companies. i haven’t come across that. They might meet for a meal but as for receiving vast amounts of money I have never come across that within the NHS here in the UK.

    The Royal Society of Psychiatrists have an annual conference. There tickets are £300. I can’t afford that. Top psychiatrists get paid good money. Privately they earn £300 an hour. My psychiatrist on the NHS gets £100,000.00 pa.

    I have never come across doctors in the UK getting thousands from drug companies to promote their drugs.

  • Dr David Healy and Dr Joanna Moncreif believe that for chronically ill patients the sedatory affect of neuroleptics have a place. My nurse Tony used to work many years ago connected with R D Laing. He worked in a psychiatric hospital. Did not agree with treatment. Left then went back to it. He felt that the psychiatric drugs did in fact have a place. Now after 33 years he is retiring next month.

    The medications had a place with my husband and kept him from getting manic for 17 years until he eventually stopped taking them suddenly. He was a chronic case..

  • I did suffer traumatic events in my life. When I was 17 i became paranoid and detached. But there was a completely good reason for it as someone I knew t school wished me harm. I never descovered exactly why. Every time I encountered this person during my life she did me harm. Also at that time a young relationship was coming to end. Then my mother because I got rather distressed and overdosed took me to my local gp a family doctor who put me on librium. I can’t remember exactly when after I was convinced for some reason that I had cancer of the womb. So my mum said i should go for an internal examination. To my local family doctor. My mum was in the examining room This doctor had his back to her whilst examining me and he was leering down as he did it and it was very much a sexual act.

    I did tell my mum eventually when he molested my sister and she slapped his face. My mum said in disgust I should have slapped his face. But at the time I was convinced I had cancer.

    Traumatic events can take many a disguise come in all shapes and forms. Eventually through life’s events I did become overwhelmed and my brother arranged for me to see a psychiatrist.

    That was 42 years ago.

    I have never suffered abuse in any hospital stay. I did have one young nurse verbally abuse me. She warmed to me before I was discharged. I have been pinned down and injected when I refused medication but you can’t go cold turkey.

    I have been attacked by other patients. I have defended other patients being abused.

    I don’t recall my husband ever being abused either. He reacted very badly to shock treatment because of the anasthetic.

    Generally the nurses respected us. We got on fine with them.

    The doctors too.

    I still do.

  • After being on psychiatric medications for 42 years I have been drug free since last April. I have no syndromes whatsoever. I have a few little withdrawals. Mainly I did put on more weight which although my nurse Tony is very patient with me when we are out walking it does hinder me. I just have to perservere that’s all. i am really hoping that the more the drug leaves my system the better my walking with become.

    They give me general check ups every year and I have nothing whatsoever wrong with me.

    I am just one of these considerably luck people to have got off scot free?

  • I think these cartoon makings is a fabulous idea. The problem of course would be getting it promoted finding the right director etc. Which I think everyone is discussing. There are people who would be willing if there was a profit in it. Getting a star to make a voice over would promote it therefore there would be profit. I think actually going to approach Tom Cruise would be a huge step in the right direction. I think also he would be very willing. The general public despite the publicity Tom has had regarding scientology has not dismayed them has it. He still has a big fan club. It all depends on how successful at the box office this cartoon is and I think you anti-psychiatry would be amazing actually doing the background work. I do know somebody actually who has done the graphics for Star Wars. His brother is a best friend of my son. If you like I could approach him maybe possibly?

  • When abuse is done to children they in their non developed emotional state understand things totally differently So as adults to recall that abuse the context is out of perspective isn’t it. Also memories fade with time. There is also the impact of such traumatic trauma that the impact is not absorbed in the amygdala right so that memory gets destroyed. Going back to remember trauma in childhood is particularly difficult. Even with the right therapy which is it out of reach anyway for most adults. However I think when recalled that memory is in fact true and accurate. It may be disguised and distorted a bit but I think in therapy if that is worked it can be helpful. Because with this trauma in particular sexual trauma there comes so much shame and guilt. Because it is never understood is it. By children. I don’t think in fact anything will ever change. As regards the abuse of children. I think it will get worse now. Especially as big pharma is involved. The best that can be done is to help those children we can to overcome that abuse and live with it. There is of course the media if possible. That is a good approach. I myself would like to create books for children. Adults do too need a lot of therapy. This is never available and not the correct kind to so many people. The media is a good approach. I think that is wonderful. Cartoon making. Film making. That is good. There was some mention of using Tom Cruise. I’d say go for it. Yeah. I think that is a good idea despite his connections with Scientology.

  • Its tragic what happens to these vulnerable children it really is. I was in an orphanage myself as a child temporarily while my mother had an operation. That was in a convent run by nuns and some of them were particularly cruel. Simply because children are vulnerable and defenceless. It takes a considerable adult coward to take advantage of a child. Lets face it they have no way of defending themselves do they. There are so many who have no conscience whatsoever who do take advantage of children.

  • Actually suicide is only painful for those left behind. It is a way out. A self approached euthanasia. I think it is entirely an individual’s choice.

    If there is nothing after death then that is fine. If there is life after death then that is fine also. If there is life after death then I am afraid we are all going to die and travel over anyway.

    It seems that mankind is so hell bent on saving lives. Yes I believe in life but I also accept that death is a part of life. If we didn’t have mankind constantly interfering with death then maybe it would be a better world.

  • I know a little bit about history but I am yet to learn of the atrocities committed on our most vulnerable human beings, children, as is occurring currently in the 21st century.

    When did mankind feel that his conscience was not going to be pricked whilst gag banging young 11 to 12 year old girls and drugging babies and children?

    Never in the course of humanity as to date has there ever been such vile atrocities committed against babies and children.

    I am ashamed to actually exist in this day and age where this is in fact happening and being powerless to stop just one of those children being brutalised in such a way.

    If ever there was hell on earth its this.

  • There is here in the UK a charity Kidstime and its founder is Dr Alan Cooklin he is a family psychiatrist. He does workshops with parents and children the parents having a mental illness. His work is very good. Although Dr Cooklin is a bio psychiatrist I feel that he could be consulted about this and would very interested in fact.

    I don’t know whether you would think it a good idea being American?

  • Actually I feel that as I worked with children for a short time that the best way to go about making any movie or cartoon for children is to in fact get a group of youngsters say from aged 4 to around 10 and interview them. All in the mode of playing. They know! They are the most important people here. Why is it that adults seem to think they know everything they need to know about little people.

  • I take it all back my MHT havent got my best welfare at heart and are totally abusive. They are now refusing to come to my house when i am totally depressed and cant venture out with what they have done to me and my son over xmas. I need my injection and they are refusing to come. I will be withdrawing within 5 days.

  • Its one thing being angry but that gets you nowhere. Im sorry to have to inform people that although i realise that these psyche drugs dont help so many people and they damage people they do in fact help some and my husband was one of them. Suffering from extreme mania and psychosis he went on to lead a fairly normal life for 17 years before he died. On clopixol and sodium volproate. You could say it worked as a placebo but i dont care how it worked for him it worked. They do work for some people. I have been torn between anti and bio psychiatry and in fact both are right. You should have informed consent that is tantamount and instead of squabbling the two should get together for their patients’ sake. It seems the ones suffering here are the patients and they come first not doctors and nurses but patients. The ones damaged should be supported and there shouldnt be squabbles about who actually benefits. I dont believe my MHT are vindictive gross people i believe them when they say they want to help. I believe also Dr Peter is right too but i am one of the lucky ones and have bedn on these meds for 45 years and just have weight gain a little and nothing else. Am fit! And its questionable whether my bad days are actually down to the drugs? But i have suffered side affects on drugs before. Now i am on a lower dose of Haldol. Am fine! Not so for everyone i know i have witnessed many things in hospitals.

  • It is extremely hard to stay positive. When these drugs and those morons classed as doctors prescribe them.

    My son was told by a psychiatrist to stop taking the 2mg respiradone she prescribed him and to take it PRN. He has responded to this in an extremely negative way and has become aggressive and was delusional. I couldn’t put my finger on it because i knew he wasnt ill and fell out with him myself for a while thinking such a low dose wouldnt affect him until i read Dr Peter’s book last night looking for something else and it was there in black and white.

    He has lost friends been a victim of criminals and is struggling to survive.

    I will be informing the psychiatrist’s secretary in the morning that if and when my son ever recovers, because he is taking Depakote too PRN not being sound , that i will be contacting my solicitors with a view to suing her.

    The heartache as a mother who suffers from these conditions herself and the fact that my husband died in a psychiatric unit 8 years ago last November 30th and it was Xmas time and my son became so so aggressive towards me i will never ever forgive!

    The ‘Silent Holocaust’ and all those fighting for their sanity the warriors that we are will one day be recognized by the masses and we will be vilified.

    There should be monuments for all those who have died at the hands of doctors nurses and police and wreaths should be placed on a day of remembrance in their memory.

    The outrage that is given and the distruction in psychiatry’s wake in the name of “Care” is worse than the Nazis ever committed because it has continued in several lifetimes, generations and more.

    Anyone who survives will one day be known as HEROES!!

    As far as i am concerned because my son like so many do not commit crimes whilst under the catastrophic influence of these neurotoxins are almost Super Human Beings!! And are as my son remains and will always be is my Hero!!

    I will be contacting my solicitor in the morning and like all amazons i will remain until i die fighting!!

    To say thankyou to Dr Peter and all those speaking out the pioneers in humanity that they are will never be enough. But i will always be in their debt.

    One thing i know is certain tomorrow is another day!! Keep fighting Keep hoping. One day we will win this war!! This ‘The Silent Holocaust’.

  • Yes Genocide! And what i call “The Silent Halocaust”. And Eugenics. All of this against those insane and mad. And our history is full of this since probably time began. Would i change this in my life if i had to live it over again? Would i be a different person without going mad? The answer is i can’t say because from the age of 17 to now 66 i have always had it. It has always been a part of my life. I believe i use part of my brain more often than others do so in a way that makes me not only different but superior. Although i am treated inferior. I have those around me i want around me. I have a choice in my life. My brain is intact. I am happy most days. Not every human being has this.

  • For human survival and im sure this applied to first humans also you need hope. Without hope there is no purpose to life and living. Even beyond death there has to be hope and i have my spiritual beliefs. Whilst so many things i have lost hope about including the survival of this planet i feel in my bones that humankind will survive. And that all of us in our brains have an essence and that and some see ghosts, but this electrical charge lives on! And i believe there are higher beings aliens that guide us and our loved ones to sleep and awakening and to higher planes when we reach the top and the light which we call heaven. So although it matters what we experience on Earth we are here for the ride. We chose this beforehand for the experience no matter how painful. I am actually looking forward to my afterlife and being back in heaven again. So it doesnt really matter much to me that i have still 100mg of Haldol in my body each month because the essence of who i am is still intact. Sorry for going on!

  • The only reason i had the option was because i kept on refusing to take the drugs at all and was hospitalized but kept on calling the police and they said that the MHT had to do something about it.

    Also i got a second opinion from Dr David Healy and he said that they were more than likely treating drug induced symptoms. I think Dr David clinched it for me!! I am lucky but still on the Haldol because even 2mg reduction a month affects me after 45 years of being on neurotoxins! I have to wait until i am ready again.

  • I have to have a relationship with psychiatry i have no choice. I have to be weaned off my injection slowly and i cant get the injection safely anywhere else but on the NHS. I dont believe in by being aggressive with people helps. They just say you’re ill anyway. But i honestly believe my nurse thinks he is helping people by giving them drugs. I do dispise the system and their training but i don’t believe they are all control freaks but most of them are.

  • I haven’t contradicted myself at all and i can name people who have been helped by medication and who have remained well if not cured you cant do the same by people and alternative treatment. You dont know anyone personally i do. I can name at least three people i know personally fully recovered with symptoms under control on medication. You dont know anyone personally who is fully recovered who had full blown madness who has recovered with alternative treatment because there is no such alternative. Talking therapy does not touch madness as everyone would be cured. There is no cure for madness just keeping symptoms under control. You know little about what madness actually is and its obvious to me you have never suffered it. These conversations are a waste of time as are all conversation with radical so called psychiatric revolutionaries.

  • I am here because only last month i supported Breggin and all those who dismissed the forcing of drugs. Now i believe they have a profound and very important place and people like me should be forced when insane to take them. I have done a complete about turn. My nurse has just left after injecting me and he used to work with R D Laing and he asked him what do you feel about forced medication and he said if ever i find myself mad i hope someone does give me these drugs. Why? Because they have been proven to work where nothing else has. But it was my therapist who against medication himself made me realize i would be making a huge mistake to come off it. And sometimes lower dosages work and i am not reducing or withdrawing anymore and am doing very well. I dont consult my therapist anymore and found him on MindFreedom David Oaks and realise i wasted 4 years of time and money on him and he knew nothing about what i actually suffered from. There are no proven alternatives and both sides of the spectrum the anti bio psychiatry and those who are pro bio psychiatry should get together and unite instead of fighting because the people you tend to forget are those who suffer full blown madness like myself.

  • And doctors do know what madness is and by full blown I mean unwarranted paranoia, delusions, psychosis, tormenting voices and hallucinations. To have all these symptoms is to have and be experiencing full blown madness and I use the word ‘symptoms’ because some of these conditions can be alleviated by medication. I am not aware of any other treatments that can give relief for the majority of sufferers. We can go back to the dark ages if you like but I don’t wish to. People can have delusions or paranoia or just one of these symptoms it is not a question if doctors or corrupt it is a question of training to spot these conditions in people when they go to a doctor desperate and in need of help. Some people are diagnosed wrongly. I certainly haven’t been. And what alternatives in fact would you offer a person like me???

  • Lay people don’t know about science and medicine it is like people protesting that nobody should travel in space because there are hazards and dangers or nobody should eat because of hazards from intensive farming We ordinary people don’t know about medicine it takes doctors. And the mad yes are told like myself to take these drugs for the rest of their lives. Some mad people recover anyhow nobody knows who that will be. What do you do give up on people because some respond to other methods and the majority don’t?. As far as I know I have always had a choice whether I should take medication or not and I have known through experience about side affects. I still have a choice whether to take medication or not. I am fully aware of side affects. Making alternatives available that only work for a minority isn’t good medicine and will get people like me nowhere.

  • What i believe is that for full blown madness nobody knows its causes and there are no known cures. I do not sympathise with people who say they have answers because in this present time nobody has any answers. All that is known is that medication works for some people, not all, some of the time. The drugs are all there is and i dont believe madness is a chemical imbalance. Nobody knows how they work precisely. To advocate a ban on these medications and to take away peoples only hope is irrisponsible. Because people on Mad in America have nothing else to offer.

  • Health care is different in the UK and under the NHS when i was insane i was admitted and told on no account must i refuse my medication which is understandable as there are massive withdrawals and i have been medicated for years. I am always given my freedom when well. Also because i have remained sane since 2015 i have the option with my psychiatrists consent to become drug free if i so choose. I dont choose and i find that 100mg Haldol Deaconate monthly in fact helps me considerably. Otherwise my doctor never would have prescribed it for me. I dont suffer any side affects at all. I really wonder if psychiatric revolutionaries really do know about madness at all? I have total free will and choice.

  • Actually staff have never thought it necessary to take away my clothes from me but I would be grateful later if they took anything I could hang myself with. Also they take anything sharp like mirrors etc so other people and myself can’t be harmed. They take way my mobile phone because it has a camera which I also understand. It would not be right if other patients were photographed. Not because of abuse but because of their privacy and dignity. My nurses exhausted after long shifts sleep well at night and eventually after treatment and the way to recovery so do I. My liberty taken away is a small sacrifice for my and my son’s protection and and protection from any other incident that might occur while I am mad and insane that I would regret considerably when when well. Because of listening to people like yourself I have been verbally and physically abusive to staff when in hospital and I very much regret this now. You have no idea about madness!

  • People who suffer psychosis, delusions and voices and who are overwhelmed and stressed and not in their usual state of mind and don’t know what is best for them. It takes doctors and nurses and people on the front line of psychiatry. Some people recover with or without medication some don’t little is know about what causes these conditions or what makes people better. Doctors have to use the only tools available to them and quite a great deal of people recover on medication and some by ECT. I have by my own experience witnessed this. I can’t believe drug companies wouldn’t create psychiatric drugs without the side affects if it was possible. Doctors are working basically in the dark to help people like me and mine but nevertheless they don’t give up on us. DIY treatment is not for me and will help nobody. It takes qualified physicians and nurses. The psychiatric profession here on the NHS is underfunded and staff are overworked. But they don’t get back handouts from drug companies. It might be different in America where your health care is private. I am done with the anti-psychiatry movement it hasn’t helped me and just made me angry.

  • When I first received drugs and became sedated and my painful feelings numbed I of course thought I felt better. Over the years I realize what they did to me. Therapy can do the same and be too much of a dependency. Being dependent on one person to alleviate painful emotions should be a temporary relationship. Because as they are only human therapists are not always the best people to help you. I find that being listened to and my needs met is all I require. Anything forced on me I will reject. It has to be my choice! Not the choice of meddlers.

  • Wonderful news that this is happening in Norway. A small acorn where an oak tree will grow and flourish. This is the beginning of what countless people have yearned for. A sanctuary. A place of peace. No restrictions. No insisting on cures. Acceptance for what you suffer from is indeed because of life and part of living. It gives me great hope. Thank you Bob for this wonderfully inspiring investigative journalism yet again. And today I will pass this information onto my psychiatric nurse who hopefully will pass it on to my psychiatrist. This medication free treatment on this small ward is the beginning of change that will bring about emotional freedom for many many people.

  • Thanks for the reply Bonnie I will be sure to look out for it.

    I came up with an idea of people building a memorial with the names of all those who have died whilst under psychiatric care.

    I have mentioned it to Mary Maddock and Marcia Rigg here in the UK but there is no response.

    How would you feel about this?

  • If you asked a slave before slavery was abolished did she think slavery would ever end and would she survive would she have have said this is out of reach and totally impossible.

    People thought slavery was the norm. One day in the future psychiatry will be abolished and the care for those who find themselves experiencing psychological overwhelm will find sanctuary and peace. There will be no drugging and no imprisonment. No coercion no stigma. People will be free!

    In the meantime pioneers for its abolition will keep fighting and everyone involved must continue this war on the silent holocaust.

    By the way Bonnie when is your book The Other Mrs Smith going to be published?

  • Thank you Bonnie for this moving and very accurate account of what memory loss is actually like. The feminist literary world has been waiting for a book like this. I can’t wait to buy it when it is finished. I had ECT for two weeks in the 1980s and I forgot exactly where I was, which was an old Victorian psychiatric building, and I actually felt good for a few hours after each session. Then the horrors crept up on me and I realized I was in that institution far away from my son and my husband was with me too. He had the most horrific adverse reactions to the anesthetic and I watched in horror because I was allowed in the recovery room when he came round. There was also a woman who was crouching on all fours on her recovery bed. The nurses told our then psychiatrist that shock wasn’t helping my husband with his mania, brought about by a car accident, but he wouldn’t listen. I don’t know to what extent my memory has been affected or exactly how my husband’s memory was affected also. There are gaps in my memory.

    I love this book and will inform feminist groups here in the UK about it when it is published. Thank you so much!