If Psychiatrists Took Truth Serum, What Would They Say?

Lawrence Kelmenson, MD
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Do you know a psychiatrist/pediatrician who has ‘treated’ half the kids in your town for ‘ADHD’ for the past 20 years? Is there now a heroin epidemic in your town? If so, you may want to talk to him or her about his/her possible role in it. Before you do, you should know that psychiatrists don’t use the same language that others do — the meaning of what they say isn’t always so clear. I can translate “psychiatrist speak,” since practicing within the field for over 30 years enabled me to gain easier insight than most people into understanding what their words really mean. Here are 13 examples:

If a psychiatrist says: “Your son has a brain disease called ADHD. It’s like having a Ferrari with bicycle brakes,” he/she really means: “Your son is perfectly fine; he just hasn’t been raised yet. It’s me who is sick. I suffer from EDHD (Ethical-Deficit Hypersedativity Disorder). I only told you that because a mechanic just told me that my Ferrari has CNSD (Car Not Starting Disorder), so I need money for a new one.”

When psychiatrists say: “We now know that children’s emotional/behavioral problems are not due to anything parents do or do not do,” they really mean: “We now know that we can make more money by lying and telling parents what they want to hear than by telling them the truth.”

When a psychiatrist says: “Your kid has a brain hard-wiring defect which impairs his/her ability to learn how to manage his/her temper/impulses,” it really means: “Of course your child can learn to alter his/her behavior; even simple animals like mollusks can. You shouldn’t trust me so much.”

When psychiatrists say: “Kids with ADHD do better in school once they are treated,” they really mean: “We have managed to change America’s school motto from: ‘If at first you don’t succeed, try, try again’ to ‘If at first you don’t succeed, give up and get accommodations such as: ‘Fewer correct answers may be required in order to achieve a test grade if a child has an ADHD diagnosis’.’”

When psychiatrists say: “ADHD symptoms will greatly improve with medication, and the earlier treatment begins, the better the outcome,” they really mean: “We’ve succeeded in tricking parents into replacing child-raising with sedation from age six on, and are trying to get them to begin even earlier. We hope to someday tell pregnant moms whose babies kick a lot: ‘Your fetus has ADHD’.”

When psychiatrists say: “We now know that ADHD persists to adulthood,” they really mean: “We now know that ‘treating ADHD’ effectively creates lifelong clients, since kids who are shot with daily tranquilizer darts never really mature; their wildness returns each time they awaken from it.”

When psychiatrists say: “You have a chemical imbalance which can be corrected by medication,” they really mean: “Your brain chemistry is completely normal. Let’s change that.”

When psychiatrists say: “The DSM has improved the identification and care of mental illnesses,” they really mean: “How lucky for us that the DSM’s invention of new diseases saved psychiatry from extinction, by luring hordes into lining up for fake cures and getting insurance to pay for it.”

When a psychiatrist says: “You need medicine for your illness just as diabetics need insulin for theirs,” it really means: “Aren’t I a real doctor who practices real medicine, just like other MDs?”

When psychiatrists say: “I’m afraid our session time is over,” what they really mean is: “Shut up already and move it along, whatever your name is… You are holding up the assembly line! Next!”

When psychiatrists say: “There is much comorbidity among mental illnesses,” they really mean: “Luring and trapping people into ‘better living through chemistry’ is a well that never runs dry.”

When psychiatrists say: “Drug use can be curbed by treating underlying diseases that drive people to self-medicate’ (giving stimulants for ‘ADHD’ or benzos for ‘anxiety disorder’)” and “Addiction will not occur if it’s medically supervised,” they really mean: “Bug off, street dealers — this is our turf now… Say ‘NO’ to kids using street drugs, but ‘YES’ to their using the same drugs if given by us.”

When psychiatrists say: “Suboxone effectively treats opioid addiction,” they really mean: “All you need to do is say you’re a heroin addict who is hoping to quit, and we’ll give you endless opioids to get high from, and ‘look the other way,’ in case you are finding it hard to score them from pain doctors lately. Or you can use them to enable a heroin habit by taking them to ‘tide yourself over’ until your next fix, or selling them on the street to raise cash. Isn’t entrusting addiction ‘treatment’ to a field whose bread and butter is addiction creation just like giving a fox a job at a henhouse?”

For those of you who believe that psychiatrists are gullible victims of the “system” themselves, perhaps you are reluctant to give up faith in the idea that MDs are still the trustworthy authorities they used to be. But psychiatrists are very smart and are well-educated in genetics, pharmacology, biochemistry, and physiology. They also rule out physical causes and refer to other MDs if a physical cause is found, proving they know their domain is non-physical issues. So if they say or do things that defy logic or science, it is likely due to their adapting to threats to their financial survival by becoming adept at stealthily ‘illifying’ people. Is it just coincidental that all their newly created diseases are chronic and disabling (and thus lucrative for them), and are usually ‘treated’ by addictive drugs?

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Lawrence Kelmenson, MD
Lawrence Kelmenson has practiced psychiatry for 32 years, working with children, adults, and families. He graduated medical school from State University of New York, and completed psychiatric residency training at Cornell. He then became staff psychiatrist, and later medical director, of Craig House Hospital in Beacon, New York until 2000, and has since conducted a psychotherapy-based private practice in Cold Spring, New York. 

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118 COMMENTS

  1. My nephew has been put on some crap for his “autism/ADD/whatever.” That encouraged me to go off my psych drugs. When he is old enough to get away from his folks, assuming he still has a brain to save, I can tell him how to withdraw safely.

    My mother, sister-in-law, and nephew are all addicts now. Even my brother pops Xanax to “calm his nerves.” He would be upset if anyone suggested he drink whiskey or smoke cigars for similar benefits. He used to work for Big Pharma Eli-Lilly and his wife worked as the head of a “mental health” agency. Ironically they are now becoming prisoners in the jail they helped construct. 🙁

    • I haven’t heard of this formulation. But I would definitely not put bio 3rd. I can see various plausible combinations, but in each of them bio would definitely come LAST. I’d be happy to omit bio entirely, except for nutrition and other elements of self care – otherwise, bio is just such an invitation to disregard all the other factors and embrace the disease paradigm.

    • LittleTurtle, my depression always seems to hit worst when I’m anemic. Doubtless an iron rich diet would help me greatly. Mom wanted to put me on mega-doses of niacin, etc. when I was thought to have schizophrenia and the drugs didn’t work their alleged magic. Looking back, the drugs were causing my psychosis. I can’t remember her name, but a dissident psychiatrist who has blogged here, wrote about tardive psychosis. I was right after all, when I complained that the “antipsychotics” made me psychotic though no one listened to me!

  2. They’d have to arrange for the receptionist to do all the talking if they were chemically forced to tell the truth. the big trouble would come if the receptionist asked if the extra duties of doing all the communication with the shrink’s patients meant the receptionist was going to get a raise for doing the additional work.

  3. Ok. This is better than previous articles. This is getting closer to the truth about psychiatry.

    “But psychiatrists are very smart and are well-educated in genetics, pharmacology, biochemistry, and physiology.”

    Education in genetics, pharmacology, biochemistry, and physiology does not make a person smart. Clever, perhaps, but not necessarily smart. What percentage of psychiatrists are duped by the system, in your opinion? It seems as though many, if not most doctors and psychiatrists (and social workers) go into the field of medicine because they want to “help” people, only to discover that medicine is the practice of inflicting harm.

  4. This article really hits home for me. I must add that if the psychiatrists who literally destroyed my child and family were given truth serum, they’d be forced to admit “I did not treat my patients the way I wished to be treated. I did not follow ‘The Golden Rule.'”

    As the mother of a teenaged daughter whose was chemically kidnapped, tortured and killed by psychiatrists and their potions, this unfathomable realization came too late for us. After Natalie’s death, I was, understandably, in shock. However, the aftershock produced by my research which led me to the realization that the harm done to my family was intentional and avoidable, well this aftershock was and will forever be surreal. It is almost more difficult to accept this fact than it is to accept that I returned home from a normal day of teaching high school to find my own teen had died a terrible death.

    As a teacher, The Golden Rule was my motto: I treated all of my students the way I would want my own children to be treated. I could have never envisioned the harm psychiatrists’ callous carelessness could create simply because it wasn’t in my consciousness to believe medical professionals would purposely harm their trusting patients and families.

    My family contains several health care professionals, doctors and Ivy-league PhD’s. I’m not “anti-doctor” nor “anti-drug” nor “anti-academic.” I am simply “pro-truth” and “pro-informed consent.” My child and I never received either. As a result I saw my Natalie go off in a coffin instead of off to college. Nothing can change this fact. But I will never be silent as speaking out can save another mom’s precious child. I try not to lose sight of such a hopeful, important goal. Natalie was intellectually gifted from an early age. She unwittingly documented her ADRs in her diaries and I hope people will benefit from my sharing them. They are found on YouTube under Natalie Gehrki, Netherworld. I know she would want others to benefit from her prescribed suffering as do I.

  5. Hi, Kristina.
    I recognize your name from “Letters…”. I first saw the film at its Florida premiere last year at a conference and have been supportive of it and Kevin Miller and have donated towards its circulation, and purchased and shared it for others to see ever since.

    Natalie’s talents are evident in the film. She was so beautiful and special- you should be very, very proud. I know it’s a cliche to say this, but she lives on in the selfless way you take your pain and fight for others to be spared the same suffering.

    I’ve known the truths about these diagnoses and drugs for a very long time and spend many, many hours helping others to withdraw and, even better, never buy into the lies in the first place. The oath to do no harm left the minds and hearts of these doctors long, long ago.

    Keep up our oh-so-important work. Enjoy your memories of your amazing daughter. By now sharing her story has definitely saved countless lives.

    Blessings to you,

    -Erin

  6. Erin,

    Your thoughtful comments and dedicated advocacy brings tears to my eyes. I miss my daughter every minute of every day. My irreparable broken heart also serves as a motivator to do what I can to save other moms from such profound grief and loss.

    We face an uphill battle for truth and transparency. (Long ago I gave up any hope for justice in Natalie’s death and the countless others I’ve since learned about.) But we persevere because, as you note, lives are being saved and prescribed suffering avoided/reduced. Thank you for your kind words about Natalie, and for your support of Letters and Netherworld. I am grateful.

    Warm regards,
    Kristina

  7. Thank You, Dr Kelmenson. This Article is very Pertinent.

    Truth Serum:- when I complained about my own (historical) Near Fatal Drug Experience I was told by an Irish Psychiatrist that every where else was doing the same thing i.e. denying Akathisia. This psychiatrist was being honest.

    This policy of Denial ties in with my GP Practice (Newton Medical) in Central Londons Approach; who are attempting to block any mention (from me) of Akathisia to my (historical) notes. Newton Medical would be under instruction (I would imagine) from their own “Superiors”.

    But the Deaths continue:-

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4884330/Ex-Choirboys-singer-jumped-train.html

    https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/health/north-essex-mental-health-trust-25-deaths/

    http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/15533528.Government_urged_to_improve_care_of_mental_health_patients_after_death_of_man_at___39_young_age_in_most_unexpected_circumstances__39_/

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/sep/15/his-death-still-hurts-the-pfizer-anti-smoking-drug-ruled-to-have-contributed-to-suicide

  8. Heard some friends criticize Robert Whittaker for writing lying books to make money. Neither of them read anything but frothy romances, cookbooks, and magazines. If you’re too lazy to read, you shouldn’t mock a writer.

    You don’t make $$$$ writing books. Whittaker has earned something with speaking engagements, but my guess is he has lost incoming earning opportunities by following his conscience. Ditto for Breggin and many others.

      • Hey, the commercials say the Rx drugs are life saving medications. So do all the crime show dramas and other network shows. The “real” doctors with letters in front of their names who wear pretty white coats and stethoscopes say psychiatry is a real science. So let’s just go along with the flow, sheeple…. Bah bah!

        Certain articles from the American Psychiatric Association would open my friends’ eyes. But they have them big words in ’em, we can’t hardly read. Bah bah! Back to our SSRI’s washed down with yummy grape kool-aid poured out by Dr. Quackenbush. Even many of my friends/family not trapped in the mental illness system are taking chemicals nature never intended for the human body. SSRI’s and other crap for their “nerves.”

  9. Mad In America is true:- Its possible to completely Recover from “Schizophrenia” but only through moving away from Psychiatry.

    “Deadly Medicines and Organized Crime” is true as well.

    Dr Peter Gøtzsche says that Doctors do not know how to use psychiatric drugs (and do more harm than good).

  10. I don’t think there is an understanding of what psychiatry is supposed to be…
    it is not supposed to be neurology….it is not supposed to be psychology..
    it is a discipline in between….it is supposed to look at all aspects of mental suffering…
    the closest model would be psych/soc/bio/econ/pol…of causation and anything else…
    so what has happened…the drug companies have taken over…the money interests are in charge..
    that needs to be taken down….but do you think it is a good thing to take down the search for truth..
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$ and hatred needs to be taken down….yes

  11. “But psychiatrists are very smart and are well-educated in genetics, pharmacology, biochemistry, and physiology. They also rule out physical causes and refer to other MDs if a physical cause is found, proving they know their domain is non-physical issues.”
    They may be very smart, but they are singularly lacking in critical thinking. A glaring contradiction is at the core of the profession – Psychiatrists claim that psychiatric disorders are diseases of the BRAIN, then go on, in the DSM of all places, to distinguish THEIR `diseases’ FROM `real’ disorders of the brain which they defer to those who treat disorders of the brain.
    I have complied a list of logic lapses in psychiatry that now has well over 100 entries – this is just one. Sadly, the neurotoxic drug treatments are tied to this massive contradiction and create untold misery.
    Also, doctors are not well EDUCATED, they are highly TRAINED. There is a difference. A mechanic is highly trained to understand the workings of your car, but you would not necessarily assume that that training constituted an `education’. He may have extended himself and become `educated’ but that is incidental to his training. So it is with medical training. The course is so intensive and narrow that there is little time to gather an education even if the student is so motivated. Those who are tend to leave medicine.
    It is possible that psychiatry, with its alliance and dependence on big Pharma, in drugging a generation, will seriously compromise the future of our culture by taking out the most intellectually curious, and exciting potential leaders of tomorrow. The restless, enquiring, energetic kids who don’t want to sit quietly doing the low grade clerical work, the ones who will bring the ideas and solutions of tomorrow’s issues are the very ones targeted. I suspect Einstein would have been diagnosed with ADD, and Florence Nightingale, one of the great actuaries and mathematicians of her day, would probably have been sedated with SSRIs. Who will WE lose?
    Maybe we should look to Rwanda instead in our pursuit of happiness – where a western psychiatric team, sent to help the survivors from the appalling brutality there, was summarily rejected because, as these traumatised people put it, “Why would you want to sit on a small dim room and talk about our problems, we prefer to sing, to dance and to weep together to help us through terrible times.” Maybe we could try it.

    • Something both Finnish Dialogue and Choice Theory have in common is the use of community and repairing human relationships to heal psychological trauma. For some MI victims, that would mean accepting your family was determined to keep you the scapegoat and leaving them, since they want to hurt you to avoid coming to terms with their own character flaws and issues.

      • My experience with psychiatrist including your family in treatment is bad. Usually it’s for the purpose of scapegoating the patient, abusing him, and manipulating him\her and the family.

        It’s also part of the “veterinary nature” of psychiatry. Both are medical professions that are focused on other things than patient health (but only vets officially and openly admit it).
        Psychiatrists treat patients like animals.
        They both lock up “dangerous” and unwanted animals and ppl.
        and the doctors only talk and make decisions with the patient family, behind the patient back.
        There are more similarities.

        • Huh? Sorry you’ve obviously had such poor experience with veterinarians, but as a veterinarian myself, I certainly object to being characterized as not caring about my patients. My patients’ health is always my primary concern. Locking up “dangerous” and “unwanted” animals is certainly not what the majority of veterinarians do. In fact most of the vets I know usually end up taking home or finding homes for as many of the unwanted ones as we can. I’ve never met a “dangerous” animal, but I sure as hell have met many dangerous people. A sure sign of a dangerous person is one who abuses animals.
          Please don’t dump veterinary medicine in the same basket as psychiatry!

          • I didn’t have a poor experience with veterinarians. The profession is basically concerned with “public health”, and not patients.
            There are fields in veterinary medicine of pet and animals medicine, that are about it. but many work in animal control, making sure animals are safe to eat etc.

            I see a lot of similarities, as I have explained:
            1) The government\ municipal authority\ whatever employs vets and psychiatrists to do pretty much the same things. Locking up “dangerous” animals and ppl.
            I don’t know of any other doctors the government employs to lock up ppl\animals (maybe an epidemiologist but they rarely quarantine ppl, and usually for a good reason).

            2) Both treat patients like animals. Understandable for vets, not for psychiatrists. And even if the vet cares about their patients, they still treat them like animals, and humans shouldn’t be treated like animals.

          • In my opinion veterinarians treat their patients (and owners) very well. My vets have always petted Puzzle and played with her, calling her Sweetie, and most have treats for the dogs. As a pet owner I know most people treat their pets better than mental patients are ever treated.

            But the expression, “treated like an animal” usually isn’t comparing to the loving relationship with a pet, but perhaps to cattle being sent to slaughter.

  12. UK MEDICAL/REGULATORY DISHONESTY + UNRELIABILITY IN DIAGNOSIS

    In October 2012 I discovered my UK GP Surgery claiming for me as a Severely Mentally Ill Person. I had made my Recovery nearly 30 years before in Ireland, as a result of stopping strong Psychiatric drugs, and moving to Psychotherapy. These drugs had nearly killed me and had caused me several years of disability – and I could reliably demonstrate the suppression of AKATHISIA.

    I explained my situation with evidence to my GP, Dr Simons at Newton Medical, Central London in two 1 hour long interviews in October/November 2012. During these interviews Dr Simons began to sweat and by the end of both of these interviews his shirt was sticking to his body.

    Dr Simons committed in writing to removing “Schizophrenia” from my Medical records.

    But I discovered later in an interview with a different clinician that “schizophrenia” had not been removed – and I complained. The Doctor Surgery then attempted to ‘re inforce’ “schizophrenia”.

    I complained to the UK General Medical Council in February 2013. But the UK Medical Council ignored the Dishonesty; The Abuse of position; and the Interference to Information – and Fobbed me off.

    In July 2013 Dr Simons was involved in a Patient Homicide:-

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/sailor-died-from-internal-bleeding-after-ae-sent-him-to-minor-care-unit-10288447.html

    The main feature in this Homicide seems to have been the Interference to Information; and the Apportionment of Responsibility.

  13. Wow, very interesting article and perspective by Dr. K. Hocus pocus and you’ll be better seems to be the story line here. It’s a 100% shame that doctors don’t treat patients for what’s wrong; instead, seek the quick goldmine that’s Big Pharma that ruins people’s lives. I enjoy this comical side of Dr. K. The sarcasm towards psychiatrists is well placed and well spoken.

    I believe Dr. K. pointed out that many of today’s illnesses have become big business. Who heard of celiac disease in the 1980’s? Big business today and I know because I was diagnosed in 2015. ADHD was never mentioned in the 70’s & 80’s. Sleep and eating disorders, again big business today and not mentioned years ago. Clearly, these “illnesses” are industry driven (Big Pharama) and doctor supported. Sad state of affairs for all the patients that suffer with these illnesses. Hopefully, they’ll have the strength to overcome the medicines and take back their lives.

    I’ve changed my diet to be gluten free and all I ever get asked (by GI doctor) is do I have more energy, or do I feel better. The answer is yes and no. On this restrictive diet, you don’t feel like a real person. Your driven to read every label and do research (online) on what you can eat. Simply can’t go out to eat with your family anymore because there is very little that you can eat safely. Then comes the trust issues, do you really trust that your food is not contaminated with gluten in some form or other.

    It’s not just psychiatrists anymore; it’s the whole medical field. Blinded by the light of the golden trail to money via “Big Pharma” or unneeded tests such as MRI’s or Cat Scans because there fishing for answers, Doctors today don’t treat, they prescribe or order tests that are inconclusive. Makes you wonder what’s in store for future generations as all doctors have seemed to fallen into the path of “Big Pharma” and unnecessary testing with little regard towards their patients.

    Dr. K. keep rolling as I enjoy your stimulating articles. I’m surprised Richard didn’t chime in as he is a well experienced authority. Probably contemplating his response. Hello Richard, where are you? What are your thoughts on this subject matter?

  14. The other week I was reading an article about a young woman who committed a crime, killing someone, and the article was explaining how the aggression was out of character for her. My first thought was, “what was she on?” There were pictures of her too, and clearly something was different / wrong in the mug shot photo. However, in the commentary, the reactions of the public were mostly of people wondering what “mental illness” she must have. Turns out she was on crystal meth, but it got me thinking how even in my lifetime (and I was born in the 70s, so a Generation Xer, but already I find myself thinking “well in *my* day..”), how successful Big Pharma advertising and “mental illness” propaganda has been in getting people to believe that when something happens, mental illness is the cause and psychiatric drugs are the answer. This type of thinking had spread through our society like some sort of mental parasite and it’s very, very difficult to get through to people.

    I don’t know what we are supposed to do or how we stop this, every year more and more people are put on psychiatric drugs, and at younger and younger ages. How sad is it that babies under 2 are being given these drugs? How is this even legal? And it’s medical doctors who do it too, not just psychiatrists. They’ve found medical problems to prescribe these drugs for, so it doesn’t seem like they are going anywhere? How do we stop this?

    https://www.cchrint.org/psychiatric-drugs/children-on-psychiatric-drugs/

  15. If we are talking children here, America has a terrible track record with the support of children. Politicians and others talk a good story but that is what it only is a tall tale. Child care, education, support for parents, support for disabilities, good education for those who do want to help as in Social Workers and I would say even the medical students is laking in historical content and context,and in critical thinking. The isms are pushed aside and swept under the rug. What is honored and put on the alter is profit, greed, and getting the best deal at the lowest price. And yes country clubs and cars, and high end fashion and jewelry. Those things are considered ultimately as more important than families and children in our country. Vets who were knowingly exposed to hard things have to fight to get proper treatment and if you come from a lowballed, low exposure culture or group watch out- the system will and can eat you up.
    There are good folks scattered among all the layers. The trick is to find them and somehow connect a thread to one another with not only exposure but some sort of active force that will in the end blow down the tower of blocks that these adult toddlers have built. One can always hope.
    Thanks for all your voices.

  16. Sent Today

    Dear Karen Buck MP,

    I would like to attend your surgery to discuss Mental Health misrepresentation with you. I think this is a relevant issue.

    Please read below.

    NO 1

    On the attached July 20 2016 Appointment information sheet in Capitals my GP Dr Simons has written:-

    “…I SEE NO REASON WHY MR XXX COULD NOT WORK ON A BUILDING SITE..”

    NO 2

    On the attached Legal Advisers Information sheet (from Dr Simons during the July 20 interview) Newton Medicals Legal Adviser has written:-

    “…The fact that this patient has a medical diagnosis of schizophrenia is a key part of his medical record and this cannot be removed as to do so could prove detrimental to his care…”

    “..It does not seem in this case that the fact of the diagnosis is disputed and it is clearly relevant information for the purpose of the medical…”

    IF THE 2 PARAGRAPHS ABOVE ACCURATELY REPRESENT ME, THEN I SHOULDN’T BE ANYWHERE NEAR A BUILDING SITE.

    NO 3

    ABOUT ME VERY BRIEFLY
    I was disabled and in and out of hospital, between 1980 and 1984. I have been WELL since 1984 when I carefully stopped drug treatment suitable for any SMI.

    Yours Sincerely

    XXXX

  17. Illuminating post, and it is interesting that you focused on ADHD and opioid addiction disorders, two of our most recent additions to the pantheon of majorly iatrogenically induced dysfunction epedemics . As if to say, the lying doesn’t start here, folks, this is just the tip of the whopper iceberg, and very far from capturing the whole devastating mess in its entirety. How true! We’ve got these man-made epidemics that no man is taking responsibility for. When first you start making your living off imprisoning people, of course, continuing to profit doesn’t involve freeing them. Stupid laws, like stupid illnesses, proliferate. Unwritten law, too, begins gaining on written law, and there we have a problem as the liberty of all people begins to be so much at stake. Lying politicians, lying pharmaceutical exes, and lying psychiatrists don’t make such odd bedfellows after all. Telling the truth doesn’t pay, not like making up whoppers anyway, much to the detriment of those of us who do possess a conscience.

  18. Dr Kelmenson,
    Thank you for speaking honestly. We need more within the fields of psychiatry and psychology to tell the truth.
    When I tried to kill myself after my psychiatrist molested me, he sent me to another shrink for ECT. I nearly died during the 13th treatment, a fact I never would have known if the nurse who attended during the procedure hadn’t been so shaken by the brutality (shrink kept ramping up the current), that she actually told me after they got me out of status epilepticus. I wonder if the 2 shrinks might have been trying to cover up the molestation by wiping out the memory, or maybe eliminating me?? I sure would have liked to give them some truth serum!
    Honestly, there was not a single psychiatric medication I was prescribed that did not make me worse. I have a list that’s 2 pages long.
    All that crap happened to me in the 80s after I was diagnosed with schizophrenia. After reading a couple of Dr Breggin’s books, I got off all drugs and now refuse to take them. I have a PhD in Neuroscience and a veterinary degree from U Penn, along with 40+ yrs of research and teaching. I read the literature and know more about these drugs than any shrink I ever went to.
    Although I think psychiatric diagnoses are about as useless as psychiatric medications, psychosis is no fun trip. I am terrified of going over that edge of psychosis and ending up in the clutches of psychiatry again. Really terrified.

    • maradel
      You might be interested in reading, and/or seeing this woman speak on You tube
      Breaking Through the Wall of Schizophrenia – Mad In America
      https://www.madinamerica.com/2017/06/breaking-wall-schizophrenia/
      Jun 14, 2017 – Danish psychologist Olga Runciman’s webinar on July 7, 2017.
      I read a book by called “I Never Promised You a Rose Garden” by Hannah Green (a nom du plume) – It was an inspiring and autobiographical story of a young girl’s recovery from severe psychosis back in the 1940s or 50s. The author became a well known writer, Joanna Greenberg. More than half of all those who suffer a psychotic break never have a recurrence – some who do, have rare episodes and manage them without having to fall under the psychiatric bus. I wish you well.

    • What really gets to me is the lack of accountability in psychiatry. Because the whole sand castle is based on opinion, all they have to do, even in the face of severe malpractice is to say, `4 of my colleagues agree with me’, and they’re in the clear. I’ve seen sexual assault, overdosing to the point of death, physical assault, bullying, physical and mental, false imprisonment, often leading to life threatening and life destroying outcomes, but as soon as the lawyers hear `mental’ or psychiatry, they flee. So abuse not only continues but escalates where there are so few check and balances. There is a tendency for people to go as far as the law will allow but there is no law in psychiatry and the power imbalance is leading to a point where the patient is without protection. This has always been a problem and in its worst manifestation led to the murder of nearly half a million people in Nazi Germany. This is unlikely to happen now in any formal sense because there is too much money in cowed patients but the potential is there.

      • You are absolutely correct about no accountability and a huge power imbalance. And by the way, don’t ever try to level that playing field! I’ve tried to have reasonable discussions with psychiatrists about what recent literature shows about the effects of “antipsychotics” on the brain (eg., neuronal cell death, permanent brain damage). One psychiatrist started yelling at me that I was being combative. He was so agitated and out of control that if I hadn’t been so alarmed by his behavior, it would have been amusing. But the labels are one way psychiatrists try to control people and wield their power. In a slightly different situation, even though he was the one out of control, he could have called the police and had me sent to a psychiatric facility, where I could have been held and medicated against my will. No matter how many advanced degrees I have, no one would have believed that he was the real nut case. I am very aware of how dangerous it is to be a person with a diagnosis of schizophrenia. Note the distinction: it is the diagnosis, not the actual illness/condition, that is dangerous.

        I wish I were as sure as you seem to be that what happened in Nazi Germany to people with serious mental illnesses won’t happen here. Seeing what has been going on in Washington since last November has me very frightened about my safety. People with serious mental illnesses are not the “cash cows”. We are the ones who are seen as costing money. In a society that values money above all else, we are viewed as expendable. The current administration is hell bent on eliminating people who need medical care in the most heartless and cruel manner imaginable. Make health care unaffordable and unavailable, so if you get seriously ill or injured, please just go die. I am genuinely so frightened that I will probably leave the US.

        • Maradel, I have a strong distrust of all doctors now. They are all collaborators and enablers of psychiatry even if not shrinks. Right now they keep running heart tests on me. My Medicaid will cover these, but I hate going and am not sure any medicine they offer to help my ticker will benefit me. Probably useless at best! If they really wanted to help my heart they would tell me my psych drugs were damaging it. (I’m off them now, but the doctors don’t know this. I aim to keep them in the dark.)

  19. I guess I’m in the minority here, but I just don’t see how eliminating the field of Psychiatry will have any kind of beneficial effect. What has been happening in psychiatry is a symptom of a much deeper societal defect, and the symptom is not limited to psychiatry. Every branch of medicine is affected; in reality, every part of our society is affected. Tearing an institution down without addressing the core problem will only lead to something equally degenerate taking its place.
    In fact, at the risk of being booted out of MIA, I think all the sturm unt drang over eliminating psychiatry is just a way to avoid having to deal with the much more serious systemic malady. Few seem willing to admit that. Treating the symptom without addressing the underlying disease: Isn’t that what we all complain about in modern medicine??

    • The field of psychiatry right now has a very detrimental effect. It maims and kills hundreds of thousands of people every year. Lobotomy, ECT, drugs, etc., all were the direct result of these medical specialists seeking a physical remedy to what may not be a physical problem at all.

      Every branch of medicine is not the same, but psychiatry’s claim to legitimacy as a branch of medical science is much more dubious than most, if not all, others. The proof is entirely lacking that what we are dealing with are actual physical ailments.

      Symptoms in psychiatry, given the DSM, are lists of unwanted behaviors, making the presumption of “underlying disease”, if anyone should question it, all the more questionable. Basically, as is, scrap psychiatry and you would be protecting health and saving lives at the same time. Sometimes health and lives are more precious than is changing them in the name of the abstract “functionality” of phony baloney “medicine”.

      MIA does not take an antipsychiatry position, and so you are in no danger of being banned for not taking such a position yourself. If research were to show, as some claim it does, that people “in crisis”, for lack of a better way of putting it, do better who have never been exposed to psychiatric drugs than those who have, well then, I guess that fact must speak for itself.

      • Well, I won’t disagree that psychiatry has a dubious claim to legitimacy, and I won’t disagree that psychiatrists have done and continue to do great harm, especially since I have been a recipient of that harm many times. But that wasn’t really my point. I am suggesting that without addressing the underlying systemic problem(s), if the field of psychiatry is eliminated, something equally reprehensible will fill that void.

        Although I’m not a neuroscientist wedded to the hardware aspect of the brain, I think I do have to disagree to some extent that there is a lack of physical/biochemical change that occurs when people have emotional, or psychic, pain. Whether the changes are causes or effects of the pain is difficult to tease out.

        Emotional trauma, especially in childhood, can rewire parts of the brain. That doesn’t mean that someone who experienced emotional trauma has a brain disease that needs to be treated with drugs! Psychotherapy, meditation, exercise and many other things can also alter brain structure and function. These non-drug modalities are what should be used to help heal the effects of emotional trauma and psychic pain. IMHO….

        • Rewire parts of the brain from what? Some supposed “normality”? And what is it that makes some people more resilient than others and less prone to be terminal victims of what you call “trauma”? All I see is scapegoating.

          Psychiatry grew out intolerance for eccentric, flamboyant, and different behaviors. What a coup when you can call such things “mental suffering”, and get people to buy your product (i.e fabricated disease labels and the treatment thereof)!

          I mean if we’re going to treat grown ups like children, there is definitely a case for, as Thomas Szasz outlined it, referring to insane asylums as adult orphanages. Thing is, as far as I’m concerned, that is a case for deinstitutionalization rather than, as is, the maintenance of psychiatric prisons of one form or another.

          • Frank, in my case there was suffering involved. I was afraid to leave my bedroom because of years of homelessness as a kid–my dad refused to provide for the family because he felt he was “called” to work as a preacher and nothing else! Then, when we found a home I was sexually harassed nonstop for two years.

            A lot of weird behavior is caused by trauma. I’m not talking about Elton John with his rhinestone glasses and feather boas. Or Michael Jackson’s devotion to his teddy bear.

            Flamboyant behavior is not worthy of punishment. Neither is emotional suffering. Adding to the original suffering with defamatory labels, segregation, and drugs only makes it 10x worse.

          • Frank,
            I’m afraid I was being kind of simplistic in referring to wiring of the brain. That’s a very mechanical view of our “being”. We can talk about networks and fields, or concepts even more esoteric. Basically, all I’m saying is that our interaction with our environment changes us. We are not just biological beings, of course, but I too easily slide into that reductionist view of neurochemistry and neuroanatomy.

            There is no real “normal.” It is a very fluid, socially determined construct. But we also cannot pretend that we don’t live in a society of some kind. So we are judged, rightly or wrongly, as falling somewhere along the spectrum of abnormal/normal. I am clearly outside the realm of what our society calls “normal,” but within my geeky profession (a subset of our society), I can get away with being farther from the overall “norm.” I’m “eccentric.” In fact, eccentricity is valued in science (or was).

            Are you saying that we can deny the existence of mental suffering or psychic pain? I certainly can’t deny my own; however, suffering and pain can be largely context-driven. Recognizing the context goes a long way towards putting things into perspective for me; and yet, there is still pain.

        • Hi, Maradel, I don’t think anyone would say that there is a “lack of biochemical change” during changes in our experiences and in our reactions to them, and in reacting to our reactions. There is biochemical change at all times in our nervous systems and bodies as whole. What many, including me, disagree with is that the changes are as simple as a lego brain would allow and that a person can go from distressed to contented if we just deliver the right chemicals to the right lego. Maybe we could but no candidate for the lego has been found.

          As for brains being rewired by early trauma, the argument against that is that brains are not wired. They are convoluted lumps of densely packed nerve cells that spit chemicals at each other all day and night and they have tremendous capacity to adapt and learn. They are awfully good at learning about danger and too good at alerting us of danger sometimes.

          Are some associations not unlearnable, ever? Maybe, but I got rid of one once. I had astounding luck with a mental exercise called the rewind technique, which could be of interest to anyone who feels etched or hardwired by trauma. It can be done with a therapist. I did it alone, after finding it online and thinking it was worth a try. I was finally able to sleep without ruminating on and re-experiencing a bad thing that happened a couple of years earlier. It was not the most traumatic event imaginable, however.

          • A “lego brain” would be counter-productive actually. If your life stinks, pain can be useful in forcing you to change. Good therapies (Choice theory, Peter Breggin’s kind, some Cognitive behavioral therapy) will force you to appraise your life and make necessary changes. If feeling good is all that’s necessary, why bother with psych drugs? Alcohol and street drugs are equally effective and you won’t be labelled permanently insane.

    • It’s interesting to read all the insights and shared experiences this MIA article sparked. I agree it is unlikely the present business of psychiatry will ever die. However, as more people publicly share their experiences of medical violence and prescribed demise, it is possible the field could slowly rediscover analysis/talk therapy based on mutual respect and equality. Such a transformation would take a generation of altruistic young professionals more interested in making a positive difference than a quick buck.

  20. This article is so spot-on! Everyone in my circle talks about this quietly amongst themselves…but are somehow scared to speak out. I have been reprimanded more than once for “undermining” a psychiatrist in various work environments for merely uttering simple facts about the brain to patients.

    Most recently I’m alarmed at children in the foster care systems. I know from first-hand experience they are being taken from their families and are almost immediately put on psychotropic medications by court-appointed child psychiatrists! The parents have no rights in the ordeal–the foster parents take them to the appointments, get the diagnoses, and initiate the medications. And are paid more monthly for having the child on them. I also worked in an inpatient facility where the same thing happens, and children and teens are regularly dropped off and admitted to psychiatric facilities where they are literally assessed in 10 minutes of time by a low-quality psychiatrist and medicated.

    I am a PhD Psychologist, working under a license in professional counseling with clients who are genuinely interested in feeling better with anxiety-related symptoms. I am also an Army Veteran and am very frustrated with what I see going on with my fellow Veterans. So much of my work is sorting through the ridiculous-should-be-illegal mixtures of counter-intuitive medications they are on…from psychiatrists and family doctors who have 100% refused to return my phone calls.

    I have so may stories to tell. I think those of us who actually are knowledgeable about the brain and psychology are full of stories such as these. Not sure what we can do against the U.S. #1 profitable industry other than plug along saving one brain at a time and educating as many people as we can, one by one.

  21. I agree Dr. Nash, I think that if we are going to be effective, not only do we need organized effort, but we also need to demonstrate what we believe in in our personal lives.

    Too often I see discrediting of diagnosees, even by people who should know better, such as fellow survivors. I see use of pseudodiagnoses also, such as calling a person delusional without using the word. Don’t do that. Walk the walk.

    Too often I see us bashing each other when that will only weaken us. I can’t figure out what to do about that, as it seems rampant. We need a solid plan, and solid leadership from within.