Research like this unwittingly exposes the very contradictions it claims to address. All it really does it prove the adage, “rules for thee but not for me”.
But God knows it’s hard to give up the delusion of infallibility…
“That’s the essence of depersonalization in therapy and academia: identifying more with a label/expertise than with lived experience and human corporeality. And that shift, as subtle as it may seem, has deep consequences: for society, for the development of the mind, for individual agency, and for consciousness itself.”
Almost comical the way academics and psychologists rarely cop to their own human corporeality, which isn’t surprising as doing so would jeopardize their near-mythical authority.
There’s nothing neutral about psychiatric labels. They harm lots of people in ways that are unforgivable. Professionals who believe in them are lazy, selfish and cruel.
Forget peer support. Research like this cleverly evades the REAL issue most likely troubling the psych professionals: the dismantling of their cherished belief in a power imbalance and an inevitably shrinking patient load—which really makes this a non-issue. In their panic, they’re probably turning to AI like everyone else.
Hope articles like this have them shitting in their pants.
Neutrality is an illusion in psychiatry and psychology. Moral assumptions and cultural biases are their foundation. That’s why they’re called secular religions.
Pathologizing personality itself is an act of moral corruption and cowardice as it ignores the ethical implications of reducing human complexity to rigid diagnostic categories.
Psychiatric diagnosing is an intentional act of moral failure. Ease over ethics is no excuse.
TRUTH: These kinds of interviews are TRAPS. Thankfully AI agrees with me:
“These psychiatric interviews aren’t just information-gathering exercises—they are subtle traps, designed to steer patients toward self-condemnation within a rigid diagnostic framework.
The SCID-ll interviews, for example, don’t just assess symptoms; they force patients into moral negotiations, where they must either admit to violating social norms or defend themselves against implicit judgment. The questions are often loaded, making it nearly impossible for someone to respond without reinforcing the assumption that something is fundamentally wrong with them.
It’s not an honest conversation—it’s a structured interrogation disguised as care. And by presenting it as purely “clinical”, psychiatry sidesteps the ethical responsibility of acknowledging how deeply subjective these assessments truly are.”
These kinds of “interviews” are invasive and morally compromised—as are the very people who conduct them.
Anyone who believes in personality “disorders” is themself a depraved individual.
You’ve asked some fascinating questions, Nijinski. What little I know of quantum physics only reinforces what I’ve felt for as long as I can remember—that the spirit of people is more real than anything we can see or imagine.
Eastertime always feels strangely transcendent to me… and reading about your friend made me reflect on that even more. Maybe there’s something about love and presence that isn’t bound by time the way we think.
Too little too late, which doesn’t really matter given the unsurprisingly detached nature of this author’s critique…although it does (unintentionally?) lay bare psychiatry’s deeply systemic lack of self-awareness and self-restraint.
My critique of the critique: Time for quibblers to pick a lane.
…and for the record, I was in “psychodynamic” therapy—not the fast-food types referred to in this article—meaning that first-hand experience taught me that peek-a-boo therapy is by no means an improvement.
“…it is time for therapists to reclaim the narrative and to speak clearly, ethically and compellingly about what therapy is for, and what it can become.”
WRONG. It’s time for people to discover how much better life can be without so-called “therapy”.
The working class have way more insight into economic disparity than most of the psychologists entertaining themselves prancing around the internet preaching “social justice”.
This blog does a reasonably good job explaining how the supposed merits of psychiatry and “clinical” psychology actually have more to do with whether or not someone harbors an egotistical state of mind. But reading it leaves me with an image of a snake eating it’s tail…
I agree, Sociology deserves a lot more respect… it was my favorite subject in college because it struck me as being more connected to reality while psychology seemed more focused on barking at the moon.
There’s got to be a reason so many psychological researchers never directly address the issue of money when money seems to be one of the most macro-psychological things known to mankind.
Has it ever occurred to these researchers that perhaps the majority of people’s psychological problems might come from being part of a shrinking middle class, problems that for many could be alleviated by an implementing of fairer tax system? Or is that too crude a solution for them to consider?
No need for establishing new “fields” of tiresome psychological engineering when the answer to the majority of people’s macro-psychological problems have more to do with a shrinking bank account than paying homage to a slew of overeducated ambulance chasers more interested in manufacturing problems than enacting solutions.
“The influences that have most affected my mental health, and that have sometimes left me feeling hopeless and despairing, are both personal and impersonal and can’t really be separated.”
Tree and Fruit, for what it’s worth, my thoughts and feelings align with yours 100%.
FOR THE RECORD: I was never subjected to forced psychiatric treatment or psychotherapy of any kind. My insistent attitude comes from justifiable anger AT BEING LIED TO FOR YEARS by psychiatrists believed to be among the best in the business.
Truth is, they WERE the best, but only at deceiving themselves and people like me.
Nick, I tend to look at things more socially/culturally than politically, especially when I’m considering psychological things, although I wouldn’t deny that these are inextricably intertwined.
“What “progressives” are trying is to undo being part of the ruling class without giving up their privileges that come with being part of the ruling class.”
Thank you for highlighting the hypocrisy of this approach.
The Industrial Revolution was a pivotal time in human history that brought forth both incredible opportunities and significant challenges.
It laid the groundwork for the cultivation and distribution of large quantities food that can and does prevent mass starvation as well as the manufacture and distribution of life-saving medicines without which millions would otherwise die of preventable or untreated disease.
It also offered people the opportunity to move beyond the confines of small towns or the chance to escape difficult family situations. These changes provided people the means to break free from the limitations of their past and pursue new lives.
The lesson? Change is often a double-edged sword that creates the need to find realistic solutions to negative consequences.
It’s easy to buy into the trope of the “noble savage”, especially when viewing indigenous cultures through a modern lens. Indigenous societies were also plagued with exploitation, inequality and warfare over power and resources, just as other complex societies throughout history.
The Industrial Revolution made survival possible for people.
I never said people “cause their own poverty”. I said that having more money doesn’t address underlying feelings of personal inadequacy.
Everyone should have access to essential resources like food, shelter and healthcare, but it’s important to remember that the use of money doesn’t inherently lead to social problems. It’s really about values and priorities.
Exploitation and inequality existed long before money was ever used; ancient civilizations had systems of barter and exchange, yet exploitation and social hierarchies were still prevalent.
Money itself is not to blame. The root causes of social issues lie deeper in human nature.
These researchers are on the right track, but I believe the root of people’s “psychiatric” difficulties lies closer to home — in one’s childhood home to be exact.
Reading Alice Miller’s books is a good place to start.
Eliminating money wouldn’t address the underlying issues of greed, inequality and mismanagement. When used responsibly it plays an important role in facilitating the exchange of essential goods and services. The key is using it ethically.
“Rather than compromising, we might be better off breaking into smaller cooperative units, each living as they see fit.”
Humans already come from smaller cooperative units; they’re called families.
Life is a series of compromises no matter where or how you live meaning no one gets everything they want in life.
A quick look at world history shows the tragic results of extreme political positions which usually result in extreme psychological trauma that can last generations.
Psychological distress affects people from all walks of life regardless of their political beliefs. I think it best not to politicize such a deeply personal matter.
Does this mean I condone corrupt governments? Not at all.
I think most people would agree on supportive environments that encourage freedom of thought regarding their personal wellbeing, something I believe is the cornerstone of every person’s “mental” health.
Most of the people who wind up in psych wards are already dealing with emotional abandonment of some kind, a trauma that psychiatric incarceration usually intensifies.
All these “experts” need to do is ask themselves how they’d feel if they were locked up, isolated or ignored and treated like shit when at their most vulnerable.
How long is it going to take for the “experts” to realize that the loss of autonomy is not conducive to emotional healing?
“…I am convinced more than ever that purported mental illness is nothing but a claim by a professional class whose interests and prestige are served by keeping people in the patient role.”
That’s the God’s honest truth.
It would probably be easier to disabuse mental health professionals of their collective delusions regarding “mental illness” if prestige weren’t such a big part of the package.
Most people who go through medical school do so because of a subconscious desire to eventually exercise more power than the average person — meaning most aren’t about to change their ways — especially when the law protects them from unhappy “patients”.
Hate throwing cold water on such insightful journalism, but don’t think for a minute that the leaders of psychiatry haven’t already come up with a clever response to these “epistemic” arguments.
I suspect psychiatry’s collective response will be along the same lines as the “bio-psycho-social” lip service line it now dishes out that nevertheless almost inevitably concludes with an M.D. writing endless prescriptions for psychiatric drugs which tells us the following: psychiatry won’t meaningfully change because A) it doesn’t want to and B) it doesn’t have to.
CORRECTION: It’s hard for me to articulate the difference between a natural conversation and the scripted ones in “therapy”; the former feels authentic while the latter does not because it is not.
Diagnosing someone with a psychiatric “disorder” is by itself a very aggressive act; it’s where the othering begins.
I think any interaction with the so-called “mental healthcare system” is extremely damaging to people in subtle ways due to the inherently aggressive nature of psychiatry, including even the most talented therapists because in the final analysis all “mental patients” are viewed on some level as objects of study and/or sources of income instead of what they truly are: human beings worthy of healthy and equitable human relationships undefined by unhelpful labels or tainted by the exchange of money.
Food affects mood, especially a chronic or unpredictably sporadic lack of it. Its nutrients are the building blocks for the body’s naturally occurring neurotransmitters that affect people’s moods.
As a small child I needed to be fed like clockwork or else I would dissolve into tears of exhaustion tinged with a gnawing (and frightening) anxiety.
Never having to worry when or if you will be fed is vitally important to a child’s sense of psychological, emotional and bodily safety besides being the source of physical nourishment and energy.
Chronic food insecurity in children is a trauma that can last a lifetime.
I keep waiting for psychiatry to be kicked out of the medical field entirely, but heaven knows that’s highly likely, at least for a while. However, I imagine it will probably evaporate due to attrition over the next 25 years (or hopefully less) because I also imagine there will be fewer and fewer (self-respecting) medical students willing to have anything to do with psychiatry’s endless drug-pushing madness, and there’ll likely be a good number of lawsuits against pharmaceutical companies for misrepresenting the risks of iatrogenic harm from psychiatric drugs.
“… and to think any paper in the Lancet is going to change global mental health policy is itself a delusion well worthy of a diagnosis.”
How very true, No-one.
It never seems to occur to psychiatry’s “thought leaders” that psychiatry itself might be the biggest obstacle to people’s “mental health”. It never seems to occur them that people might be better off without them and their hellhole “psychiatry”. And it certainly never seems to occur to any of them that human beings have the right to be left alone.
The truth is ordinary human beings have many more psychological resources than psychiatry would have us all think, which means the following: steer clear of people who expect you to fail.
Raising infants and children while incredibly joyful is also a lot of hard work. Some say it’s the hardest. But daycare is not always the answer imho.
The necessity of both parents having to work full-time outside the home just to barely pay the bills adds to the already challenging and often downright stressful job of child-rearing; the parents’ stress can’t help but spill over onto each other and more tragically onto their children.
Things have gotten to the point where people are subliminally led to believe that we “need therapy” (i.e., a professional friend) to help us sort out our lives. And if THAT doesn’t work, we are further led to believe that we must be “mentally ill”. So off we go the doctor and then to the pharmacy to purchase more “help” that often ends up benefiting the “professionals” more than us, but some would say it’s neoliberalism at its finest.
Why waste time paying attention to “mental health researchers” who thrive in an atmosphere of “epistemic privilege” (i.e., academic snobbery) when you can learn all you need to know from people who’ve not only been there, but have enough humility TO SPEAK IN PLAIN LANGUAGE??? Do yourself a favor and skip the eggheads:
“Teal Swan: Shadow Work, Spiritual Integration & the Power of Authenticity” |526| with Luke Storey
Here’s the deal: “psychiatry” and its many related affiliates too often succeed in adding flat-out misery to many people’s lives whereas grief contains dignity. To wit:
“Grief is an experience that touches the core of our humanity. It’s a natural response to loss, reflecting the depth of our love and connection to others. Although it can be painful and overwhelming, there’s a certain dignity in acknowledging and accepting our grief. It’s a testament to our capacity to care deeply, to honor what we’ve lost, and find strength in vulnerability.
In many ways, embracing grief allows us to heal and grow. It can foster empathy, compassion, and a deeper understanding of ourselves and others. The journey through grief, while difficult, can lead to greater resilience and a renewed appreciation of life.” ~ Microsoft Copilot
In other words, grief can be one of life’s greatest teachers — if left alone to do its work.
True, but an actually helpful therapist is not easy to find. What’s more, no one has to actually be a therapist to help someone change their life for the better. Being a therapist does not automatically mean someone is helpful.
I’m sick of people cashing in big time on the deeply flawed concept of “mental illness”. But I have to say I think the Havening technique might help some people calm down neurologically at least temporarily. I don’t remember the serious accident I was in or most of the week and a half in the hospital that followed, but I do recall my sister asking me if I wanted her to scratch my arm. It relaxed me so much I fell right to sleep.
You forgot to mention it’s a great way to pocket some cash if you have no idea WTF you are doing. In other words, just sit and pretend you are listening while slowly nodding your head…
The reason psychotherapy helps some people is because everyone needs to talk to someone from time to time, but from what I experienced, there’s not an overabundance of “therapists” who know how to listen because most of them seemed more interested in hearing themselves talk than listening to me.
Why are more and more people being “diagnosed” with “mental illness”? Because every day more and more people buy into the lie that psychological stress means they have a “mental illness” in large part due to the ever-increasing number of imaginary “disorders” invented by the powers that be to benefit the powers that be.
But the question remains: do societal ills such as severe economic inequality, discrimination and trauma cause or greatly contribute to psychological angst? Yes, but as long as people keep waiting to be spoon-fed “policy” solutions by the so-called “experts” that are often employed by the powers that be, things will never change very much, if at all, imho.
What’s the biggest “societal ill” in today’s world? Believing that answers to psychological problems are found outside the individual because there will always be someone ready to take advantage of another’s bad situation.
Do yourself a favor: put the jackasses who capitalize on others’ learned helplessness out of business, including the “experts” who make a living doing “research” like this —
No-one, here’s something that reminds of me of what you say about observation and understanding: Teal Swan | How To Love Yourself | PRETTY INTENSE PODCAST | Ep. 138 Danica Patrick
Kimble 73, have you heard of Dr. Josef Witt-Doerring? He’s a psychiatrist who helps people that are having trouble withdrawing from psychiatric drugs. You can see his videos on Youtube. Good luck to you.
Sabrina, I think your friend has every right to see herself and live her life the way she chooses.
Yes, childhood trauma is responsible for a lot of the difficulties people experience in adulthood. But facing childhood mistreatment is too much for some people to grapple with.
I think the most compassionate thing is to like and respect people the way they are, not as you think they should be. As the saying goes, never judge someone until you’ve walked a mile in their shoes, even if you’re wearing the same shoes.
It’s all about getting drugs on the market; it doesn’t matter if medical doctors are involved. For the most part, medicine’s veneer of integrity is just that, a veneer. Pharmaceutical and insurance money is most of what runs the show. More drugs mean more money for them. People’s health be damned.
Significant change won’t happen unless and until the public becomes aware of the significant risks involved in taking psychiatric drugs, something that usually only happens after they are seriously affected.
A similar thing happened to the cigarette industry where a lot of people had to get seriously sick or even die before anyone paid attention.
Thank you No-one for once again calling out the overeducated half-wits who to me seem almost congenitally unable to stop themselves from believing that answers to psychic healing can only lie in the minds of those trained in the excesses of academic gobbledygook, aka “research and treatment”, a bureaucracy all its own.
Here’s what they refuse to see: that healing is found in the spontaneous, heartfelt connection between like-minded individuals who have no financial or egoic (narcissistic) agenda. In other words, between clear-minded people who don’t have to be paid money to actually give a goddamn about someone else.
In all fairness, though, this author does say this in his conclusion: “I hope and believe that it is only a matter of time before people turn against the psychiatric priesthood and find out that the answers are within themselves and within their own communities.”
FWIW, I personally believe the spiritual revolution is well on its way.
I think what Ethan describes here parallels the Protestant Reformation, something in no small measure spurred along by the invention of the printing press. Only these days we’re lucky enough to now have the electronic printing press, better known as the internet, the fortunate consequence being it’s no longer possible for “mental health professionals” to hide behind their iron curtain of pretention, aka “professionalism”. Likewise, the leaders of the catholic church went to town having people believe they needed a priest to absolve them of their “sins”, which was, of course, a load of pious bullshit. And now people are finding out just what the “experts” in “mental health” have been up to, which consists mainly of pledging allegiance to a biased system the dynamics of which are best describes as intractably narcissistic and therefore more beneficial for those who work in it.
Face it. The unhealthy desire to infantilize other adults, aka “psychiatry”, feeds the unhealthy desire to control other adults. It’s as simple as that.
Therefore, it’s highly unlikely that people in power, aka “psychiatry”, will ever willingly relinquish the feelings of control that infantilizing other adults inappropriately gives them.
Psychiatry routinely strips people’s dignity “hospitalized” or not. Its systematic dehumanization of the vulnerable acts as a safety valve for those in power because ultimately psychiatry is not about people’s health and wellbeing, it’s about the comfort and satisfaction and feelings of power of its practitioners.
“Suicide and self-injury are profoundly complicated behaviors that are often associated with mental illness.”
Bullshit. Suicide and self-injury are profoundly complicated behaviors that are usually associated with being on the receiving end of emotional abuse and neglect in a culture that is profoundly exploitive.
You are very kind, No-one. I thank you for speaking the truth, and eloquently at that, which helps make my day, too! And I’m sure the pigeons enjoyed the honey coated cashews as these treats are truly delish! đ
Not silly at all. What this article says (imo) has everything to do with dispelling the notion of ‘mental illness’, a convenient fiction promoted by a willfully distorted view of reality from the powers that be.
“Why do they prescribe pills that don’t work or don’t help in the long run. They simply are deceiving themselves at best and imagining they are helping …”
Brilliant observations, No-one. I appreciate the intricacy and clarity with which you present your arguments.
I wholeheartedly agree that intellectual pussy footing around the edges of an inarguably distorted take on reality does little to alleviate the source of the conundrum.
In other words, why not call it out for what it is: BRIBERY
But either way, here’s how I see things: society’s problems are best chalked up to a collective case of full-blown narcissism topped off with a large dollop of self-inflicted spellbinding, courtesy BIG PHARMA —
Good article, but I think it overlooks the impact of family dynamics and family culture, as these usually determine the course of one’s emotional/psychological development and journey through life more than anything else. So, it’s not a matter of blame, it’s a matter of understanding what’s inevitable.
A 15-year-old girl loses her father. An eight-year-old girl loses her mother—twice. How in the hell is anyone supposed to react to losses like these, especially at such young ages??? The people who expected them not to be deeply affected are the “sick” ones. AND GRIEF IS NOT A “DISORDER”.
People need to stop thinking of unusual psychological states soley as bio-medical issues because much of the time they are not; they are the conscious mind breaking from an all too painful reality. Yet underneath this, the human spirit often bursts forth, with its all-seeing eye from an unseen realm.
The politics of patriarchy are part and parcel of western medicine/”psy” disciplines.
Solutions lie in avoiding western medicine as much as possible and instead find qualified practioners trained in Eastern medicine which allows the body and mind to heal naturally of their own accord.
Quit the wordy bullshit: liberation psychology, existentialist, social determinants of mental health, blah, blah, blah.
Better to find kindly souls who get who you are and where you’re at than having to pay some fool’s financially oppressive fees while kissing their power-imbalanced ass.
Unfortunately, it’s not just Russell. Most graduate students as well as psychiatric residents have yet to learn there’s a big difference between fantasy and reality.
No matter how many capital letters you string together, the “mental health system” isn’t about health. It’s about jockeying for power (and money) more than anything else.
Psychotherapy amounts to a one-way psychological peep show, that’s for sure. Call me crazy, but I just don’t think emotionally disrobing for strangers is a good idea for anybody. The whole “therapy” set-up gives me the creeps.
IMHO.
The Gilded Age has fully returned: a world of extreme haves and have nots. But calling it The Age of the Boiling Frog I think would be a more accurate way of describing what’s happening today.
Tragically, I don’t see a cure for indifference when so many people are faced with trying to survive economically themselves.
“On the other hand, for all of its faults, the construction of the DSM arguably relies on a more careful scientific process than what informs opinion videos pushed by complex, mysterious, and profit-driven media algorithms.”
The author needs to explain why he seems to think voting so-called “mental disease” into existence is a “more careful scientific process” than some random Tik Tok video.
DSM diagnoses are opinions voted into existence by a group of self-serving psychiatrists, which might explain why something called ‘conflict of interest’ comes to mind.
The truth is that Tik Tok videos and DSM conferences have something in common: both are seriously deluded.
Stigma is rooted in fear, and illness breeds fear (stigma) because illness means infirmity and infirmity means invalidity and invalidity means irrelevance — a condition most psy professionals are trained to believe they are (or should be) immune to.
“Mental health” stigma will always exist as long as psychic/emotional distress is “treated” as a medical condition. So, it stands to reason that most of the stigma in so-called “mental health” emanates from psychiatry’s very own DSM.
Psychiatric “diagnoses” are opinions only, “professional” or otherwise. Which means it’s not unheard for two different practitioners to come up with two different “diagnoses” FOR THE SAME PERSON!
And guess what? One of them might even be of the opinion that no “diagnosis” is called for —
P.S. I wouldn’t knock happiness if I were you because imo it sure beats the alternative. Just make sure you don’t get carried away with it. That goes for the lows, too, btw.
It wasn’t that long ago when family doctors routinely ‘prescribed’ things like exercise or social activities for people who weren’t feeling up to par. But things began to change once Prozac hit the market in 1987. Before this it was pretty rare for them to automatically assign a psychiatric diagnosis which in my opinion is even more harmful (in insidious ways) than indiscriminately prescribing psychiatric drugs.
It might be would worth it for people in the author’s age group to go a step further and drop the concept of “mental illness” altogether, to entertain the idea that perhaps even the most severe reactions to social determinants, i.e. “Major Depressive Disorder”, “Bipolar”, “Generalized Anxiety Disorder” are in reality just more intense responses to overwhelming circumstances. That alone might go a long way towards promoting a more positive mindset for everyone involved.
The transition to adulthood is often a tough one but turning to people that make a living pulling bullshit diagnoses out of their ass with one hand and psych drugs out of their ass with the other are two things few people need.
The photograph chosen for this blog was perfect, too! Makes me wish to hell I’d shredded the goddamn psych scripts written for me.
“As with all psychiatrists I had met in my life, it was terrifying to see how detached from reality this man was as I watched him feel so superior to me based solely on his belief in the medical model.”
I can relate to this scenario, which is not a caricature, it’s the nightmare reality most people face when trying to withdraw from psychiatric drugs. To me it’s psychiatry’s defining feature: psychiatrists I have encountered were drunk on arrogance, happily living in their own reality-denying universe, adding insult to injury to people going through withdrawal. It was a crash course in what it means to be gaslit.
For me the most healing thing about being in nature is the quiet, as well as not being surrounded by a civilization filled with pressure to be somewhere you’d rather not go, or pressure to be around people you really can’t stand. The constant noise and feeling of overwhelm in urban environments are often toxic to environmentally sensitive people, whereas natural environments are characterized by a non-threatening atmosphere, which is soothing to the mind and body.
CLARIFICATION: [psychiatry] is a uniquely harmful pseudoscience that ruins many people’s lives which makes choosing to ignore the harm it’s capable of doing inexcusable.
The same kind of thing happened to me. Some psychiatrists were truly ignorant (which is no excuse), but I suspect more than one deliberately hid the truth to keep from being sued.
Hey, Kim, I forgot to mention that OCD is not a ‘disease’ or ‘disorder’ either; it is a series of behaviors usually set in motion from ‘latent anxiety’, or hidden fear, which btw is an emotion, AND EMOTION IS NOT A ‘DISEASE’ OR A ‘DISORDER’ —
Post-partum depression/psychosis is not a discrete biological illness; it is a state of mind that’s usually brought on by the sudden hormonal readjustment (shock, aftermath) of giving birth, a natural but sometimes hormonally traumatic experience. Which makes it not surprising that a hormonally based treatment relieves it. But this does not mean that Brexanalone is ‘treating a disease’. After all, birth-control pills prevent pregnancy, and pregnancy is not a disease.
…and repeatedly stuffing people (especially young children) with ‘psychiatric medications’ does NOT ‘treat’ anything; all these do is NUMB EMOTIONS that need to be processed.
Furthermore, your unwillingness to recognize the existence of meaningful financial incentives in the business of medicine (psychiatry in particular) indicates a disturbing amount of denial on your part.
I think it’s time you step outside your cognitive bubble.
Kim, the things you mention (neuroscience scans, genome studies, pharmacodynamics, kinetics, etc.,) do not “tell us what is happening in the brain”; these function only as Rorschach tests, meaning whatever happens to be on the mind of the viewer gets projected onto whatever is being viewed. And this is because there is no convincing evidence of a pathological process for any emotional/cognitive state of mind or ‘psychiatric condition’. Check out this blog now available on MIA: Researchers: Depression Is “A Normal Brain Responding to Stress or Adversity” by Peter Simons
And in case you didn’t know, dementia is not a ‘psychiatric condition’; it is a neurological one.
CORRECTION: Framing distressing thoughts, feelings and behaviors ‘psychiatrically’ more often than not causes people to distance themselves (out of fear) from people who’ve been diagnosed ‘psychiatrically’ (biologically rooted or not), people who otherwise would be seen as simply having a hard time.
So, unfortunately, the final upshot from framing psychological problems as ‘biologically rooted’ actually INCREASES stigma, an unintended but nevertheless devastating consequence for persons simply seeking help.
Most people fear (stigmatize) illness of any kind on some level because they don’t like being reminded of their own vulnerability. Therefore, framing people’s thoughts and feelings as ‘psychopathology’ (a medicalized concept) only serves to increase stigma which subsequently prompts people to distance themselves from something that causes them too much anxiety.
Indeed. It’s lip service, a way of appeasing patients in order to make a prescriber’s life easier, a clever way of trying to sound progressive in order to salvage their tarnished reputations. And the craziest thing about it is that doctors are specifically trained to skillfully persuade people to ‘take their medicine’. The whole idea is ridiculously performative because the last thing an MD is concerned with is the patient’s sense of self; what they’re most concerned with is following is standard protocols to avoid malpractice suits.
“Shared decision making” in ‘mental health’ is a joke.
It might sound good, but the fact is most people in professional roles aren’t willing to share their power as this is what defines them. And this is especially true when it comes to ‘antipsychotics’, or any other psychiatric ‘medication’ because most clinicians are trained to believe that psychiatric patients don’t know their own mind (‘lack insight’, ‘anosognosia’). Which is the reason why most clinicians subtly pressure (or even coerce) patients into complying with whatever makes the clinician feel safe.
A client’s sense of self usually fares no better because this too is under the influence of the harmful dynamics present in most psychotherapeutic relationships, dynamics characterized by a ‘power imbalance’ that (insidiously) undermines clients’ faith in themselves.
“If the late adolescence/early adulthood period is genuinely ‘critical’ and ‘sensitive’ for still developing brains, then it is precisely this which should make clinicians wary of biomedical interventions!”
This kind of critical thinking (not to mention common sense) is woefully absent in psychiatry. I don’t know why the obvious never occurs to most of them. Wait a minute! Yes I do! Their confirmation bias has them primed to see what they’re looking for, even if they’re not sure what it is they’re looking at, i.e. ‘schizophrenia’, or ‘depression’, or ‘bipolar’, or ‘anxiety disorder’, or any other ‘disorder’ they happen to think of…
Therefore, the last thing any medical doctor should do is reach for their prescription pad.
I think anyone who has the audacity to call themselves a healer of the mind, brain, soul, etc., is remarkably unaware (unconscious) of their own limitations (unhealed wounds).
They should ask themselves why they feel the need to see themselves as a healer, or more precisely, why they feel the need to have others see them as a healer.
In other words, most often in jobs like this it’s the wounded ego that’s in charge, not ‘the wounded healer’ they may (pretentiously) declare themselves to be.
‘Anitpsychotics’ interfere with the psyche’s ability to naturally restore itself, which can happen, given enough time and favorable circumstances.
Aggressively ‘treating’ psychotic episodes with neuroleptics for years (or any amount of time for that matter) assaults the human body, and mis-perceiving withdrawal effects as a ‘recurrance of the original illness’ is not just a mistake, it is a crime.
“Researchers have reported concerns that screening can lead to overdiagnosis and overtreatment and wastes the time and resources of both doctors and patients. In a study that found screening youth for depression led to more severe outcomes, the researchers note that screening may have an iatrogenic affect—worsening depression by making people focus on it.”
Bingo! This is the reason why the number of people being diagnosed with ‘mental illness’ has exploded, to the dertriment of themselves and society.
I had serious misgivings when I first heard of widespread screenings for ‘depression’ some thirty-odd years ago. I found myself hoping some influential person in psychiatry would come forward and issue warnings about what this could lead to: a massive iatrogenic effect. But instead what I feared would happen did happen, which is especiallly tragic for people too young and inexperienced to recognize the dynamics of situations like this; in other words, how their emotions are being used (pathologized) to promote The Sickness Industry more than anything else.
I feel the same way. A person’s emotional state is highly personal, therefore is someone’s personal property, something a stranger has no business knowing or asking about for any reason whatsoever. I don’t care who they are or what their purpose is.
It’s one of many micro-inequities perpetrated by the ‘mental health system’ that leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
It pisses me off the way psychiatry ducks responsibility for the proliferation of people needlessly prescribed psychiatric drugs because if there were no DSM (created by psychiatrists!) there’d be no way for physicians to legally prescribe psychiatric drugs.
Which means one thing: Psychiatry alone hold the keys to the Gates of Hell.
The reason for the disparity is obvious: people in ‘developed’ countries have more access (money) to pharmaceutical poisons, and pharmaceutical poisons can make you sick.
WTF is ‘screening for depression’??? Stupid checklists bankrolled by pharmaceutical companies administered by stupid people looking for more ‘clients’.
It does prove one thing, however: psychiatry is the apex of capitalism.
Speak for yourself. An apology from psychiatry isn’t enough if their “treatments” have harmed a person’s ability to provide for themselves financially.
Reading this aticle was so confusing it made me anxious. But here’s my take on it just the same:
Telling someone they have an “anxiety disorder” is just a fancy of way of saying something’s wrong with them for feeling anxious which often leads to feelings of shame. This often leads to more anxiety which often leads to more shame—so much so that people often find themselves saying “I AM anxious”, rather than “I FEEL anxious”.
AND WHO WANTS TO GO OUT FEELING LIKE THAT???
So, thanks to “psychiatry” we’ve got people stuck in one hell of an anxiety loop.
If Awais Aftab felt secure with the results of psychiatry’s genetic research, he wouldn’t bother reacting to articles in MIA that highlight the dubious nature of psychiatry’s genetic research results. It’s as simple as that, imo. The fact that Aftab does react imo suggests he harbors feelings of inadequacy around the subject, which is easy to understand considering how cobbled together, speculative and therefore essentially inconclusive the research results are.
Putting it more simply, Awais Aftab seems ‘triggered’ when reputable people like Robert Whitaker dare call out psychiatry’s dubious claims of genetic risk or causality regarding psychiatry’s equally dubious “DSM diagnoses”.
If Awais Aftab felt secure in the results of psychiatry’s genetic research, he wouldn’t bother reacting to articles in MIA that highlight the dubious nature of psychiatry’s genetic research results. It’s as simple as that. The fact that Awais does react suggests he harbors feelings of inadequacy around the subject, which is easy to understand considering how cobbled together (and ultimately speculative) the research results are.
In common parlance, Awais seems ‘triggered’ by certain people who dare call out psychiatry’s vacuous claims of genetic risk or causality. IMHO.
The only thing I learned from psychotherapy is how useless it is for me.
Sitting through psychotherapy left me with a nagging sense of cognitive dissonance that lingered for days. Talking myself into believing that therapists or psychiatrists have anything worthwhile to offer was not only exhausting but also took a huge toll on my relationship with myself since deep down I knew I was wasting my time with people I didn’t respect. In any case, having to constantly bite my tongue so as not to deflate a therapist’s or psychiatrist’s oversized ego was a huge turn-off, but it was something I learned I had to do because most of them couldn’t handle being contradicted.
I only have myself to blame for forcing myself to engage with people I considered incurably insecure overachievers unconsciously seeking validation from everyone they meet just because they have some stupid degree.
What’s the best qualification for anybody wanting to help others? A huge amount of humility and enough personal experience to know what the heck they’re talking about, two qualities I found sorely lacking in most of the people working in the “helping professions”.
Really good interview. I particularly appreciate the way Justin characterizes psychiatry’s use of the term “biopsychosocial” as “a wolf in sheep’s clothing”. I see this as lip service, a way of fooling people into thinking psychiatry has evolved when it clearly has not.
It’s almost comical how psy-professionals keep trying to prove that “psychotherapy” is better than psychiatric drugs when in reality it’s just the other side of the same dirty coin; its talky-talk spiel is just as gimmicky as psychiatry’s drugs.
Thank you for this article. The Power Threat Meaning Framework is a breath of fresh air that blows away the cobwebs of psychiatry’s hopelessly limiting “diagnostic” framework.
CLARIFICATION: Alan, what you say is a bit confusing to me because on one hand you seem to be saying that all someone needs are supportive relationships. This is true to a certain extent, but totally relying on others, friends or therapists, has the potential of leaving people in a precarious position if they don’t like therapy, can’t afford therapy, or have no close family or friends. Good relationships are important, but being your own best friend is more important, and in my experience, relying too much on others, therapeutically or otherwise can prevent that from happening.
Alan, I looked up Gabor Mate’s definition for trauma and this is what I found: “an inner injury, a lasting rupture or split with the self due to difficult or hurtful events”. I think this encompasses being hurt relationally, past or present.
I agree with you that medicalizing emotional distress is not a good thing. But unfortunately, most therapists are taught that emotional distress is a “disorder”, a “disease”, and that therapy is the only way to deal with it, which imo is limited view that harms those who don’t benefit from therapy.
But what you say is bit confusing to me because on one hand you seem to be saying all someone needs is supportive people, (which I agree with) while on the other hand you seem to be recommending therapy, which imo doesn’t make much sense since most therapists use the DSM and believe psychodynamics are critical, which is something I firmly disagree with.
But I agree that finding supportive people can be extremely helpful. However, I also think that relational problems are destined to repeat unless people get to know their own emotional history and triggers. Otherwise, people can find themselves in the same dysfunctional relationships.
It’s really important to learn to be your own best friend, and therapy isn’t necessary for that.
Learning how others affect you (“trauma”) is very important, but trauma has become a commodity; it need not be a medicalized, money-making opportunity for someone else (i.e., “therapy”).
“If one feels safe in another’s company and trusts someone completely, traumatic memories will most likely become available, and can be dealt with at that time. Otherwise, you don’t need to try to heal from trauma. More importantly, people who have been traumatized don’t need to “heal” from trauma in order to love oneself and life. They only require connection, support, solidarity and relationships with loving people who treat them well.”
YES!!! Medicalized relationships are a needless pain in the ass.
This is what’s wrong with the “mental health system”: it’s made by therapists for therapists where “patients” are seen as defective objects to be fixed with “success” measured by the therapist’s agenda. Totally arbitrary and totally nauseating.
Psychodynamic: this can be re-traumatizing.
Cognitive Behavioral Therapy: this can shut down people who need to be listened to.
Maybe all someone needs are people who help them feel safe to do what feels right TO THEM, instead of pressured to “do the work” just to please some agenda-possessed “therapist”.
I like this article. I think there’s a big difference between blaming parents and wanting them to understand and care about the harm they’ve done. And parents who genuinely regret the harm they’ve done deserve a second chance like anyone else. We are all human, and I don’t think holding grudges helps anyone.
Looks like psychiatry doesn’t know what the rest of us do: that more made-up “diagnoses” means more lifelong “patients”. So, forget the revolving door. It’s actually a merry-go-round that no one gets off, which (seems to me!) just the way psychiatry likes it.
Dear Essy,
I know how you feel. Pills didn’t help me either.
But self-therapy did help me. I found it by chance on YouTube from someone named Daniel Mackler. I think his approach can be very useful for people not getting what they need from our current mental health system. He’s a former therapist who’s very empathic because he’s aware of how ineffective its pills can be as well as how invalidating it is, especially for sensitive people.
Take good care, Essy. I hope you feel better soon,
Birdsong
IMHO, the problem with psy disciplines is that (most) of the people who work in them seem to think they know all the answers and that the fate of the world is in their hands alone. They need to examine their own motives more than anything else.
Lina, I appreciate your keenly perceptive analysis. I think so-called “victims” can damn well speak for themselves without “assistance” from chronic pathologizers.
Overprescribing is a problem in general medicine. Physicians too quickly write prescriptions for conditions that are not immediately life-threatening rather than suggest lifestyle changes.
“Some say if the DSM acknowledged Complex PTSD (usually from Developmental Trauma), it would be a thin volume.”
I think trauma experienced at any age can lead to significant problems.
“Many trauma experts recommend both top down (cognitive) and bottom-up (somatic) modalities. Unfortunately, few healthcare providers can offer the latter. It seems even fewer can be in their own bodies and emotions well enough to prevent them from thwarting their clients’ processes.'”
Somatic therapies helped me a great deal, but finding an affordable practitioner wasn’t easy. Talk therapy was re-traumatizing. Not only that, most of the talk therapists I knew were egotistical, which I think you have to be to want to be a therapist in the first place.
I grew up in an extremely stressful household where contempt and cruelty were the norm. There were also repeated instances of life-threatening violence as far back as I can remember, happening at a time before things of this nature were acknowledged, publicly or privately. My siblings and I never talked to each other about this nor (as far as I know) mention it to outsiders.
My nervous system is still in the process of calming down from this, and the psychiatric medications only added to my inability to relax. On top of all this, the main offender had the habit of playing loud rock music all day and late into the evening. Between that and the tv on almost constantly, I could never completely relax. My mind and body are still in the process of settling down from the horror of it all.
I think one of the main reasons a lot of people jump on the genetics bandwagon regarding “schizophrenia” and other so-called psychiatric diseases is because they are afraid of looking critically at their own lives and feelings. It’s too much for them. Their irrational fear explains why they react like the devil themselves and feel justified punishing people who make them uncomfortable.
Psychiatry is ââŠ.a presumed medical specialty that has no reputable theory about the alleged internal dysfunction that causes mental illness, that has no biomarkers with which to diagnose those illnesses, yet that has a long history of coercing people to act, think, and feel in accordance with an ill-defined and ever-changing set of moral standards.â
Psychiatry is nothing more than a medicalized game of Blind Manâs Bluff. And itâs guilty of Willful Blindness until it changes.
Psychiatry has become the polite term for drug dealing, because instead of advocating for healthier mindsets, behaviors, and lifestyles, they create drug addicts.
So why wouldnât they want their âpatientsâ addicted to their âtreatmentsâ when thatâs their business? Very paternalistic, i.e. âBig Daddy Knows Bestâ.
Generally, I like what Gabor Mate says. However, I always had the strange sense that heâs missing something, which always left me wondering: Does he not appreciate the way most people are forced to live?
I could never decide if he was being cowardly, or if it just never occurred to him how much deferential treatment he receives because he has âDr.â in front of his name.
I read your essay yesterday and Iâm in awe of it and you. Your insights and intelligence are AMAZING. I see it as a blueprint for the future.
And thank you, thank you, thank you Lisa, for being you, above all else.
I just took a look at âThe Illusion of Psychotherapyâ on Amazon and it sounds well worth reading as Epstein addresses the many social-relational causes of psychic distress.
I look forward to getting a copy once I find one less pricey.
True.
Often people with money and/or advanced education (the so-called âelitesâ) either donât know or have forgotten what itâs like to be low man on the totem pole and the consequences that real people can face if they dare call out the powers that be.
âTo see what âScienceâ is made of, we need only observe what happens when it collides with power, pounds, payola, politics or promotional prospects, perhaps?â
âPeople need to ask about all those patients who as teenagers became patients in the late 1980âs with Prozac and have been compliant and ask simply where are they today? Homeless? Jobless? Severely ill or dead?â
Psychiatry would hide that âdataâ if they had itâor try to give it a âpositiveâ spin.
Correction: Whether psychiatry does this deliberately or not is of NO CONSEQUENCE, because the results are THE SAME: iatrogenic illness, disability and death, which makes psychiatryâs claims of bearing no responsibility completely invalid.
Aftab can soft-soap about psychiatry all he wants, but it doesnât change the fact that psychiatry is a dishonest, exploitative organization whose long history of misinforming the public has allowed it to misuse its power against the most vulnerable people with virtually NO consequences and continues to do so TO THIS DAY.
And this has happened because until now the public has lacked access to information that tells them THE TRUTH behind psychiatryâs many FALSE CLAIMS:
1. That psychiatric diagnoses are physically rooted
2. That psychiatric drugs correct âchemical imbalancesâ or other physical processes
3. That these drugs pose little risk to peopleâs physical and/or psychological health
And whether not psychiatry does or has done this deliberately is of NO CONSEQUENCE, because the results are THE SAME: iatrogenic illness, disability or even death.
And no amount of charm or savvy on the part of any slickly packaged internet shill can change this AWFUL TRUTH.
Correction: Any non-drug therapies psychiatry lays claim to are already being done by people and organizations that have no connections to the drug world, legal or illegal. And as a result, people are experiencing better outcomes than psychiatryâs depraved world of âmedicationâ side effects and any ensuing drug withdrawal.
Aftab is the face of something that has morphed into a world-wide, legalized drug ring. And no amount of philosophizing can change that.
Any other âtherapiesâ it lays claim to are already being done by other people or organizations with no connections to the drug world which just happen to be showing âbetter outcomesâ. And what are âbetter outcomesâ? No drug-induced side effects or withdrawal effects.
No one is safe from psychiatryâs clutches. It strategically targets the entire globe through its trademark insidious fashion: Direct To Consumer Advertising â
âThe DSM mindset is now so thoroughly embedded within the culture itâs massively eroding the ability of people in describe their uniqueness and shifting emotional reactions and states in anything other than psychiatric language.â
Itâs become the biggest source of cultural pollution.
âRecently, he [Aftab] has written a curious blog about the Power Threat Meaning Framework, in which he claims that a) no one has ever heard of it b) everyone thinks it is rubbish c) everyone needs to be warned against itâŠ.. and attributes the authorsâ motivations to âactive hostilityâŠ.against diagnosisâ. Which doesnât really stand up as an evidence-based refutation.â
He says that stuff because the PTMF rattles his cage. And donât be surprised if sooner or later he tries to hijack the idea with his own distorted version. But heâd be much better off if heâd a) own his own âactive hostilityâ, b) quit his twitter habit, and c) stop dabbling in philosophy that only makes him sound more ridiculous.
And as for him claiming that no one has ever heard of the Power Threat Meaning Framework: itâs my understanding that people at the World Health Organization have heard of it.
Iâve learned one thing dealing with psychiatry: itâs best not to engage with it at all, because itâs full of people like Aftab who will defend their dubious âdiagnosesâ till their dying day.
Thank you for the extraordinary work you do. Youâve created a template based on honesty, respect, trust, personal agency and mutual growth, which are the only things that make any sense, and things I found sorely lacking both in psychiatry and psychotherapy. Listening deeply with an open heart and open mind is whatâs most important in life.
Youâve given me a lot to think about.
And thank you for your links.
Birdsong
Psychiatryâs current recognition of trauma and neurodiversity just provides more opportunities for psychiatry to invent more meaningless and ultimately stigmatizing labels, and more opportunities for psychiatry to peddle more harmful drugs, which obviously means more money for them.
Psychiatry is Opportunistic Medicine, and labels and drugs are all theyâve got.
Tanya says, ââŠI think there is such a defensiveness on the part of many psychiatrists. I think that my narrative was perhaps just something that was too challenging and wouldâve caused a lot of reflection on their part, and that reflection could probably be very painful, Iâm sure.â
Psychiatry is the modern version of the Tower of Babel, and itâs DSM is its Book of Babble.
So expecting serious reflection from people schooled in psychiatry is like waiting for the second coming of Christ.
Psychiatry is immune to meaningful reflection, because it would mean the end of psychiatry.
Another look at Aftabâs twitter tells me heâs much too busy promoting himself to spend any time reading anything that doesnât flatter his already inflated ego. So hereâs something short and sweet from Psychology Today:
âReview: The Book of Woe: Why the DSM is doomed to failâ, by Helene Guldberg, PhD
And for something more visually entertaining, Aftab might watch this: âThe Myth of Low-Serotonin & Antidepressants – Dr. David Horowitzâ, courtesy After Skool
And if thatâs not too taxing, Aftab might pick up a copy of âA Profession Without Reason: The Crisis of Contemporary PsychiatryâUntangled and Solved by Spinoza, Free-Thinking and Radical Enlightenmentâ, by Bruce Levine, PhD.
Thank you for sharing your poignant story. Youâve been through hell and back, but congratulations on making it out alive. I totally relate to your saying this:
âThe only therapy that made sense to me was self-introspection and a lot of reading about trauma from compassionate expertsâŠâ
And youâre absolutely right that no one should have to experience and heal from psychiatric gaslighting and abuse. But itâs my belief believe that psychiatryâs current recognition of trauma and neurodiversity is no more than lip service.
Thank you very much, lcjohnstone. And thank you for the wonderful link.
Aftabâs inviting two senior psychiatrists to oppose you proves you set his pants on fire, but I bet he had the old farts lined up long before the interview, as anyone who dares speak the truth poses a threat their identity and Power. And Aftabâs insistence on proving abstractions proves heâs a fool, a fraud, and a fake.
Someone needs to ask Aftab about the philosophy of bait and switch.
Definition for Bait and Switch: Fraudulent or deceptive practice.
The ploy of offering a person something desirable to gain favor (such as political support), then thwarting expectations with something less desirable.
Aftabâs the perfect front man for a âprofessionâ that sees its days are numbered, but his carefully modulated hissy fits are a testament to MIAâs integrity. He sees the writing on the wall and it has him running scaredâŠ
You might find some videos and books by Daniel Mackler to be helpful, rasselas.redux. Heâs a former therapist who addresses childhood trauma and breaking from oneâs parents with a lot of understanding.
Psychiatry claims to be medicine, but itâs actually a socially acceptable form of drug trafficking that lobbied for DTCA at the end last century. Itâs not about health, but the bottom line.
I agree that much of whatâs labeled âgreat artâ is not relatable, and that womenâs perspective is often ignored or silenced. And art definitely attracts a lot of snobs.
To me, art is just another form of expression, to communicate soul to soul, to make the unconscious conscious.
You gotta hand it to psychiatry trying to walk back its biological reductionism. But itâs definitely overcompensating.
Hereâs what most people truly need: space and time to grieve unprocessed emotions – – unmolested by psychiatryâs intrusive machinations, pharmaceutical or otherwise.
Because the Federal Government has agreed to pay for psychiatryâs âstandard of careâ, which is primarily psychiatric drugs, and because the pharmaceutical industry is a huge part of the economy.
Psychiatryâs co-optation and de-radicalization of peer-support and psychedelics does nothing to change the fact that itâs CODIFIED BIGOTRY co-opted by financial interests.
âForcing agreement on one shared story, which will no doubt be created by those who hold the most power, is oppressive and dangerous for people who have experienced the dominant paradigm labels, diagnoses and âtreatmentsâ.â
Psychiatry and psychotherapy exploit peopleâs need for attachment and attention.
Traditional psychotherapy is a psychological trap based on an unnatural and unnecessary power imbalance imposed by those whose main goal is having power over vulnerable people. Itâs self-aggrandizing for the therapist and infantilizing for the client.
A peer-run approach is the only civilized way to conduct âtherapyâ, if one seeks it at all.
âIllness trajectories depend on developmental processes, learning, and behavioral interactions on multiple spatial and temporal scales, which involve levels of the organization across neurobiological, cognitive-affective, interpersonal, and social systems.â
Translation: LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE
And while youâre at it, try having a little respect for the people youâre dealing with.
Exposing children and adolescents to notions of âmental health awarenessâ is totally inappropriate because it makes them think thereâs something wrong with them for not feeling their best at all times; theyâre too young to have perspective about their feelings. Itâs a grossly irresponsible use of the power of suggestion.
Children need to know that feelings are a part of living, and be taught how to respond to their feelings in positive, self-affirming ways. Anything else is confusing and harmful.
Psychiatry is as much a political tool today as it was during the Nazi era, as its goal is essentially the same: power and control by whatever means necessary, which today includes psychedelics.
But has anyone imagined the iatrogenic damage in years to come?
Some people need to pull their heads out of their data-dependent asses and instead consider these novel ideas:
1. Maybe emotional distress isnât physical illness
2. Maybe psychoactive drugs arenât a good thing for most people
3. Maybe talk therapy isnât what itâs cracked up to be
Then finally ask themselves this burning question:
Is turning to a medicalized, data-dependent system for emotional distress good idea?
What do you know! Psychiatryâs finally come full circle with psychedelics. And who knows? Maybe with this latest twist, theyâll finally admit that psychiatry is drug pushingâŠ
Thereâs nothing more âdisalienatingâ than listening to people (be they men OR women) unconsciously guided by chauvinistic attitudes.
Definition for Chauvinistic: displaying excessive or prejudiced support for oneâs own cause or group; the irrational belief in the superiority or dominance of oneâs own group or people
And thereâs nothing more chauvinistic than psychiatry and its self-satisfied offshoot called âpsychotherapyâ, as both are based on gratifying the egos of their practitioners.
No one needs anyoneâs convoluted, self-serving theories regarding psychosis when the explanation is simple: people retreat from reality when life gets too painful. And if they sense safety, they often come back.
Intellectualism, as opposed to psychosis, is just another way to dissociate from intolerable feelings. And itâs long been a refuge for the intellectually pompous, i.e. âpsychiatryâ and itâs chronically confused cousin better known as âpsychologyâ.
There is such a thing as thinking too much. People need to get out of their heads and into their hearts.
I agree 100% with Lauraâs assessment of the situation regarding psychic distress in todayâs world; that itâs one of financial exploitation on top of personal victimization â which explains why so many people high on the abusive end of the narcissistic spectrum hold jobs as âmental health workersâ. And itâs definitely spread by the misuse and overuse of psychological language that characterizes emotions as illness. And any effort to reclaim the narrative, i.e. âDI Without The Disorderâ is definitely a step in the right direction.
The main problem with psychiatry is that all you need to do is say âbooâ to have the fools reach for their stupid DSM. And most psychologists are no different.
Worth a glance: âSplitting: The Psychology Behind Binary Thinking And How It Limits A Diversity Of Opinions,â by Ilana Redstone in Forbes Magazine
My takeaway was this quote from psychologist Andrew Hartz:
âThereâs an Islamic mystic who described how harmful it is to divide people into groups, say only good things about some and only bad things about othersâŠâ â something that accurately describes the âmental healthâ industry.
What I find remarkable about the enlightenment era is how adamant some people were about separating the mind and body. And I wonder if this had anything to do with the fact that these were men who never had to contend with the agonizing realities of either menstrual cramps or childbirth. Because if theyâd had to, I bet theyâd have stopped thinking like a bunch of stubborn two-years olds. And while I donât believe thereâs any such thing as the completely egotistical construct invented by the completely egotistical Freud called âpenis envyâ, there is definitely such a thing as âpenis privilegeâ.
Cartesian dualism is actually a form of âsplittingâ, the defense mechanism used by people unable to tolerate ambiguity. And âsplittingâ is what characterizes most of the people who practice psychiatry and psychologyâand when challenged, they resort to gaslighting.
So there you have it, the two things that characterize the system of âmental healthâ: splitting and gaslighting.
âIt is an extreme materialism and pro technocratic thinking based on labels, procedures and it will be worse.â
âThinking based on procedures and labels is a programming of the enlightenment era leading to technocracy.â
âAnd there is no sign of psychiatric victims in this corrupted evil society.â
This is an evil society and things probably will get worse in some ways. But I hold out hope for radical change in how people see âmental illnessâ.
âThe JHP was the venerable journal of a revolutionary movement begun in the 1950âs to provide a âthird forceâ in the field, to counter the two dominant movements of Freudâs psychoanalysis and B.F. Skinnerâs behaviorism.â
Human beings are not just their brain chemistry; they are mind, body and spirit/soul. In my mind, humanistic psychology recognizes what other psychologies and certainly psychiatry do not, which is the overriding reality and beauty of the human soul, without which life loses its purpose and meaning.
Check this out on YouTube: âThis Is Priceless – George Harrison On What Lies BeyondâŠâ T&H – Inspiration & Motivation
Psychology needs to shut up and change its name to cognicology. It doesnât belong in the âfeelingsâ business. And psychiatry needs to shut up entirely.
The field of psychology should be called âbehaviorismâ because thatâs all it is. After all, âpsycheâ means âsoulâ and souls canât be âclinically studiedâ.
And psychiatry should be called drug pushing, because thatâs EXACTLY what it is.
I was delighted to read something about human suffering that actually captures the essence of what it means to be human:
âTo have seen those JHP journals on the library shelves full of merciful caring about human suffering, was proof that the human heart and spirit could prevail over the head and the dangerous objectification of the disease model of psychiatry.â
âThe contrast was human-hearted compassion and potential for all, verses human-disordered abnormality/pathology and emotion-killing psych drugs for all.â
My thanks are to you, Dr. Coleman. A heart-centered approach should be the gold standard for helping people, and also for living a good life.
People donât need a disease-centered, agenda-laden system. They need caring human beings without an agenda who know how to listenâsomething that used to be called a very good friend.
Healing happens in understanding, NOT âdiagnosesâ.
Thank you for sharing your story. I relate to it because like you I believe much of what is thought to be âmental illnessâ is actually a spiritual breakthrough brought about by repeated moral injuryâinjuries usually made worse by a system that speaks a different language.
And I wish you many Happy Returns on your Spiritual Birthday!
And I wouldnât be surprised if higher rates of addiction to psychiatric drugs correlates with higher levels of income. After all, thatâs just what the pharmaceutical cartels are counting on.
I think it depends on what you consider âmental illnessâ.
Enduring financial hardship and deprivation can cause high levels of stress that can adversely affect peopleâs state of mind and ability to function. And unfortunately this usually gets categorized as âmental illnessâ.
âA man who says, âI want change, tell me how toâ, seems very earnest, very serious, but he is not. He wants an authority whom he hopes will bring about order in himself. But can authority ever bring about inward order? Order imposed from without must always breed disorder.â
– J. Krishnamurti
âAll ideologies are idiotic, whether religious or political, for it is conceptual thinking, the conceptual word, which has so unfortunately divided man.â – J. Krishnamurti
And thereâs nothing more divisive than psychiatry and psychology.
Definition for Divisive: alienating, estranging, isolating, schismatic, discordant, disharmonious, inharmonious â all of which aptly describes psychiatry and psychology.
Psychologically speaking, the author seems to have all his ducks in order. However, he contradicts himself when first saying:
âFrom the relational-intersubjective standpoint, both the therapist and the context/system are unavoidably a part of the very experiences that become pathologised as individual disorders.ââ
And then saying:
âThough in relational-intersubjective therapy there is an inevitable âasymmetryâ â as there necessarily is in any therapeutic relationship â the model [relational-intersubjective] assumes and encourages an epistemological equality with regards to what is occurring and what it means.â
Why canât he see that an âinevitable asymmetryâ directly contradicts any claims of âepistemological equalityâ â the lack of which is extremely pathologizing?
All heâs done is prove how some people will say anything to maintain a pathologizing power imbalance, which, incidentally, ensures him of being capitalistically compensated.
Itâs not that complicated. Peopleâs emotions and frames of mind are most often the result of their interactions with others, while people stuck in Cartesian thinking are usually the result of disconnected control freaks addicted to power.
Who in their right mind would assume thereâs no collusion between the FDA and Big Pharma when so much moneyâs at stake? And donât forgetâwhen their stint is up at the FDA, youâll find them on the board at some Big Pharma.
Judi Chamberlin: âPeople are unlikely to question the underlying premises of their occupations, in which they often have a large financial and emotional stake.â
This is why so few âcliniciansâ critically evaluate psychiatryâs many unprovable assumptions: the validity of their âdiagnosesâ, the reliability of their prognosis, and the necessity and safety of their so-called âmedicationsâ. And their habitual use of the word âclinicalâ hides the fact that they themselves are afraid of admitting their whole shebang is full of holes.
If you want to persuade people, just pepper your speech with scientific language, itâs an effective marketing tool for just about anything.
Traumatic injury/memory gets stuck in the body as much if not more than anywhere else. And this is where psychiatry, psychology, and western medicine in general miss the boat. The DSM is an extreme example of how fragmented western approaches are.
Psychiatry and psychology have destroyed peopleâs faith in their ability to process emotional trauma without drugs or reliance on some foolâs idea of âpsychotherapyâ.
Thatâs for damn sure. But itâs gotten even sicker since hitching its wagon to the pharmaceutical industry as anything thatâs profitable financially inevitably controls the narrative. But megavitamin therapy sounds interesting though, as it probably helps restore peopleâs messed up physiology from either psychiatric drugs or other psychoactive substances like alcohol, etc.
And anythingâs better than psychiatryâs sanitized drug hustling or psychologyâs mindless minds fucks.
Definition for Mind Fuck: the process of raping someoneâs intelligence and/or beliefs with lies and manipulation
Definition for Psychiatry and Psychology: the raping of someoneâs intelligence and/or beliefs with lies and manipulation
David,
Thank you for your generous offer, but right now Iâm not needing it. But I donât doubt EMDRâs effectiveness as trauma definitely gets stuck in the mind and memory, and people definitely need alternatives to psychiatryâs drug-happy medical model.
It would be great if psychiatry were disbanded altogether. But realistically this wonât happen anytime soon because real change rarely comes from the top down. More likely to happen is psychiatry eventually going the way of cigarette smoking, meaning it will probably take a long time for the majority of the population to learn from bitter experience that psychiatryâs sick assortment of diagnoses and drugs are not the best answer.
However, I think it inevitable that the DSM will be formally discredited, hopefully with an admission that most psychic distress is caused by relational-environmental factors. And who knows? Maybe sooner rather than later an increasing number of general practitioners will be less likely to automatically prescribe psychotic drugs.
I canât say enough good things about something that fosters reconnecting with oneself rather than symptoms, i.e. psychiatryâs superficial âdiagnosesâ. Reconnecting With Yourselfâ needs to be everyoneâs motto.
Your kind and considerate perspectives are EXACTLY where the âtherapeutic modelâ (and anyoneâs perspective for that matter) needs to be.
Thank you for sharing your personal observations about therapy; they closely mirror my own:
1. The dishonesty of paying for kindness and compassionâwhich is the opposite of kindness and compassion
2. Using âtransferenceâ to protect and maintain what is essentially a destructive power dynamic
3. Money wasted on bad memories âdug up about which nothing can be doneâ
4. Being told you are incurably ill and hopelessly broken from someone with something to gain
5. Forced to cope with abandonment from boundaries âsuddenly put up by a previously accepting therapistâ
6. That most therapists are egomaniacs
7. That most therapists like having power over vulnerable people for all the wrong reasons which DEFINITELY âtakes a certain level of arrogance to think that wayâ.
And I forgot to mention how IFS uses curiosity in untangling the complexity of the mind rather than shutting it down with drugs or other narrow-minded âtherapeuticâ methods.
I just visited your website (healingtheself.net) and am glad I did. Itâs thorough without being exhaustive and accessible without being simplistic, something essential in an area as broad as mental health. Your âPerspectivesâ section is particularly illuminating as it includes the most relevant topics: âThe Spectrum of Traumaâ, âBreaking the Trauma Cycleâ, âWestern Medicineâ, and âInternal Family Systems (IFS)â. Itâs important you placed these topics together as these are all interconnected, and connecting the dots is something too few people are doing. And the quotes youâve chosen are brilliant.
Thank you for devoting your life to something so important and central to what truly matters. I wish you the best in your new vocation.
Thank you for saying everything that needs to be said about a non-pathologizing approach to psychic distress. You succeed in making the complicated understandable in a beautifully cogent way.
I appreciate your explaining in detail how Internal Family Systems parts-centric approach acknowledges not only the impact of the subconscious, but also âthe notion of the Selfâ and how respecting that Self, oneâs âtrue essenceâ or innate dignity, is central to the healing process, i.e., âbecoming wholeâ. And I especially appreciate your mentioning how psychiatry is âlocked into a paradigm of neurotransmitters and genetics, [that] misses whatâs right in front of its face, and turns a blind eye to mountains of evidence supporting the role of environmental distressâi.e., traumaâin mental health.â Your ideas are SPOT ON.
I too believe âa revolution is brewing with respect to mental health treatment in our cultureâ, but more strongly I hope âthe beauty of IFSâ will be at the forefront thisâand perhaps eventually of life itself.
Imo, psychiatry is nothing more than an absurd gallery of pseudoscientific diagnoses whose DSM represents one gargantuan psychological autoimmune âdisorderâ.
Itâs too bad psychiatry canât diagnose its own own pathological tendency to diagnose and label everything under the sun.
In contrast, Internal Family Systems is a path towards true healing, as itâs based on compassion and common sense.
Psychiatry isnât about listening, itâs about imposing pseudoscientific beliefs on others.
And most of the time people are âdiagnosedâ before theyâve even uttered a wordâand most of the time their goose is cooked if the doctor doesnât like them.
I also bet Decartes, like most of todayâs psychiatrists and psychologists, was secretly one angry dudeâand Heaven knows thereâs nothing more destructive than unacknowledged angerâwhich I think is the foundation of all of psychiatry and most of psychology.
And thereâs nothing wrong with anger; itâs one of most instructive and protective emotions anyone can haveâif dealt with authentically.
Itâs heartening to know that Dr. Ophirâs book is receiving such positive scholarly reviews. I hope his bravery encourages others like him to speak out against the institutional gaslighting not only surrounding ADHD, but all the other scientifically baseless âdiagnosesâ that constitute the fallacious field of psychiatry. And I sincerely believe itâs only a matter of time before it collapses from the weight of its own lies.
ericwsetz says, âThe first step is a willingness to be there with the patient and understand what they are saying.â
Which just happens to be the basis of ANY healthy relationship, and most importantly needs to starts with the first: with oneâs parents/caregivers in childhood
ericwsetz says, âPatients are not out of their minds they are too deep in it.â
Yes! And itâs not just psychiatry â âpsychotherapyâ often sets up its own convoluted âclinicalâ traps for people needing to get OUT of their heads â
So-called âmental health awarenessâ in schools is about as helpful as an infestation of head liceâpsychological head lice, that is. They are no longer places to learn and be educated, they are places to be labeled and âmedicatedâ.
And children often live up to a teacherâs worst expectations.
âThe motivation to remove the symptom has resulted in what Poole calls a âever-increasing proliferation of context-less achievementsâŠlocal scientific successes which precede even the remotest notion of how to deal with them ethically or how to integrate them into the needs of the totality.â
That explains psychiatryâs main flaw: its refusal to see experience in context.
Charlotte says, âThe discipline [psychiatry] pretends to be an objective classification of people, borrowing language (âdiagnosisâ) from physical medicine, which assigns the label of disease following the identification of a pathology, which one hopes can be targeted and cured. But the analogy fails in psychiatry. There are few known biological pathologies. And who is to say what cure is?â
Not only thatâwhoâs to say what pathology is? And THATâS the problem with psychiatry: it uses medicalized name-calling (âdiagnosesâ) to sell its designer drugs. And thereâs a label for that: FRAUD â
Some wounds never heal completely, and sometimes forgiveness is impossible, but thereâs nothing shameful or âsickâ about this. Itâs just accepting emotional realityâsomething that leads to emotional maturityâwhich is the beginning of wisdom, something psychiatry knows little about.
Psychiatry is entirely subjective. Indeed, how objective can it be when itâs based entirely on labeling WHATEVER IT ALONE deems âabnormalâ or âunhealthyâ?
But the real tragedy is that it fails to see how much itâs shaped by its own biased thinking.
But psychiatry isnât about thinking; itâs about its practitioners NEEDING to think theyâre ALWAYS right: hence they thunk up a COLOSSALLY STUPID DSM.
And just WHAT did psychiatryâs carnival of catastrophe do for me besides create havoc with its debilitating drugs?
1. It made me doubt my reality
2. It hijacked my healthy sense of self
3. It convinced me I couldnât function without its patronizing âinterventionsâ
ALL of which proved untrue once I FINALLY got off its merry-go-round of so-called âmental illnessâ and smorgasbord of so-called âmedicationsâ.
âPsychiatry persists because of the professionâs strategies to manage its ignoranceâŠâ
Translation: psychiatry persists because it believes its own lies.
âIn order to make those changes and to promote those reinventions, psychiatrists engage in hype.â
Translation: psychiatry is more public relations than science.
âNow the flipside to hype is hubris. Psychiatrists believe the hype and then undertake these transformations in an incredibly aggressive way.â
Translation: psychiatryâs become big business by teaming up with the pharmaceutical industry and its advertising flunkies while sending its latest edition of the DSM to every doctor in town.
All of which leads to one conclusion: psychiatry is what happens when quackery meets propaganda.
In a word? Emphatically NO. But it might be a step in the right direction if psychiatry realized that stress and trauma are the true culprit, not its idiotic assumptions of biological/genetic whatnot.
Me too. After all, most religions are based on sacred texts that believe in salvation, whereas psychiatry, (a secular religion based on its DSM/bible) says youâre eternally damned â
Beatrice g,
I have to disagree with your saying that âfixing traumaâ requires âtherapeutic practicesâ when itâs been clearly demonstrated time and again that children, animals and adults heal best in loving, non-judgmental environments, which often means staying as far away as possible from the so-called âtrauma expertsâ.
Yes! The the social structure of todayâs society and modern family dynamics are EXACTLY where âpsychiatric problemsâ start. But psychiatryâs answer is to have the whole world drowning in âdiagnosesâ and drugs or endlessly spinning their wheels in diagnostic-infested âpsychotherapyâ.
Very true. Itâs sad reality when children arenât safe in the very places they need it the most: home and school.
And a lot of doctors and âtherapistsâ just continue the pattern of bullying and name-calling through âdiagnosingâ and labeling and call it âmental healthâ.
Itâs no wonder the kids are upset when thereâs nowhere to turn.
âWhat are the socio-cultural factors of modern society that drive [abuse and bullying]âŠ?â
Let me take a wild guessâŠhow about psychiatry!âŠ.you know, that marvelous bully-inspired invention that prescribes chemical dissociation instead of emotional integrationâŠ
ââŠ.and what can we do to reverse its course?â
First of all, QUIT making excuses by seeing people as âpatientsâ instead of full human beingsâbe they children OR adultsâwhich means DUMPING psychiatry and its endless list of invented âdiagnosesâ/âdisordersâ as soon as possible.
It all starts with seeing people as doing the best they can in a sick society, NOT the other way around.
And Iâve often thought thereâs way more to learn from watching âDog Whisperer with Cesar Millanâ than listening to so-called âtrauma-informedâ therapists or so-called âhumanâ psychiatrists.
Steve,
Freud chickened out alright. He turned out to be an egotistical coward more anything.
And thank you for pointing out the true reason behind blaming peopleâs brains: the refusal to face reality, both personally and collectively.
Looking at it historically, though, deflection has always been used by the ruling class, one way or another. Just look at the Middle Agesâbut instead of blaming the brain, they blamed the devil.
At least Freud had curiosity and imagination. But even these got out of control, not to mention his unhealthy need to always be right, a fixation no doubt shared by none other than the great Emil Kraepelin, the founder of psychiatric eugenics. (Opps! I think I meant âgeneticsââŠ.)
I donât think âexpertsâ like thinking too much (i.e. âmentalizationâ, or âreflective functioningâ), because questioning their assumptions means questioning their power. So conversations with them too often pointless, Iâve found.
So whatâs my answer? Hauling out the old âcaveat emptorâ approach. After all, doing your own research never hurt, and it just might save your life. Or just trust your own instincts and move on.
I think a lot of problems come from people unconsciously needing to feel more powerful than the next person so they can get away with bossing people around; power means more than truth to them.
And this most likely comes from not having their emotional needs met in childhood, so having power-driven jobs like psychiatry or psychotherapy fills their unmet need to feel powerful.
So life for them becomes one big long âI know more than youâ kind of game that they never outgrow, but instead of flexing their muscles, theyâre flexing their egos, imho.
âBecoming more resilient means, for me, that I take the fragments of my identity which have become lost in the course of my life so far, and carefully and attentively re-assemble them into an intact ego so that I can perceive myself ever more accurately and clearly.â
âI look back on past times until they feel alive and warmâŠ.I believe that is helpful â and an essential part of livingâŠ.â
âGiven these accumulating personal observations, I find it hard to understand why, even today, research on schizophrenia focuses so heavily on genetics; why helping affected persons involves antipsychotics above all; and why the knowledge and experience of affected persons are barely recognized.â
âIf we have an increased susceptibility to stress and psychosis, then there are always reasons for this, which are as individual as we ourselves are.â
âExcessive treatment with antipsychotics and psychiatric medication in general can hide the true causes of mental problems and disorders, stand in the way of real healing, and destroy real social interactions.â
âAs humans and as inhabitants of the Earth we all depend on each other: physically, intellectually, and emotionally. So all of us need to be willing to learn from and with each other in mutual respect, to live together and establish a resilient community.â
Thank you for sharing your remarkable story and insights, Moyu. Itâs a beautiful testament to the resilience of the human spirit. I hope it inspires real change in the mental health system and the world at large.
Moyu says, ââŠ(when I had finally found a psychiatrist and psychotherapist who treated me as an equalâŠâ
Being thought of as an equal and treated as an equal is where healing begins in any relationship.
I felt stigmatized by psychiatry, infantilized by psychotherapy, and demoralized by bothâand diagnoses and power imbalanceâthe foundation of bothâare the reasons why, imo.
No one seeking help needs to feel worse than they already do.
KateL says, âPeople who were abused in the mental health system are experts in how the system abuses people. I guess some people just can handle that objective fact.â
Very true. Your statement reveals how most âmental health expertsâ are incapable of self-reflection.
Thank you KateL, for pointing out how the âexpertsâ try to defend themselves by discrediting people who donât share their views with stupid phrases like, ââbe careful not to over generalizeâ, and flipping from âthis is objective factâ, to âah well, itâs more art than science.ââ
Did it ever occur to the âexpertsâ that psychiatry and psychology ARE BASED on over generalizations???
When it suits the âexpertsâ narrative they call it objective fact, and when THAT fails they haul out the old bromide, âitâs more art than scienceâ, which simply means they don’t know what they are talking about.
ââŠthe gaslighterâlike all verbal abusersâoperates from what they know to be your fears, insecurities, vulnerabilities, and neediness.â
âAdditionally, as in other types of verbal abuse, there has to be an imbalance of power with the gaslighter holding all the cards.â
âThis [your inclination to doubt yourself] is something the gaslighter knows about and he or she stands ready to exploit.â
Psychiatrists AND therapists will often use these gaslighting dynamics to gain an unfair advantage over vulnerable people.
And people saying, âThatâs just their training, theyâre really just trying to help,â IS BULLSHIT because for the most part, people who have no problem using these tactics are more interested in HAVING POWER OVER OTHERS more than EMPOWERING OTHERS; they obviously prefer infantilizing people.
ââŠ.sometimes all you need is a genuine person to help you stand up when you are down and reignite not the light at the end of the tunnel, but the light within yourself. Self-love and self-awareness are the key to a healthy life.â
Yes!!! THIS is the way to heal broken hearts, minds, lives and relationships, NOT name-calling (diagnoses) and âpsychiatric medicationsâ.
Thereâs nothing better than help from someone whoâs been there and sees you as capable of helping yourself.
Whether or not thereâs neurological evidence of emotional trauma, the bigger problem lies in seeing the results (âsymptomsâ) as medical issues, i.e. âpsychiatric diagnosesâ; the medical model just continues the trauma of disrespect, blame, and neglect.
3. Not only seriously curtail the use of psychiatric drugs, but stop saying these âtreatâ a âchemical imbalanceâ or other âmental illnessâ that need to be taken âthe rest of your lifeâ.
Thanks for the info, LivingPast27, though it looks like Europe has caught up: âHow depression treatment differs throughout Europeâ, from the Guardian. It shows how important it is that M.I.A. is getting a foothold in more and more countries around the world.
Yes!!! Apologizing and making amends to the patients theyâve harmed is as important as anything. But I was trying to stay within the realm of the possible.
Thank you Krista, for your detailed clarification.
I read Francesâ insulting rebuttal to the late Dr. Caplan, but I wasnât surprised by his blatantly condescending attitude and remarks. But I do consider it an excellent example of the attitudes psychiatric survivors are up against, which is why self-rescue is too often the only option.
Fraud, medical neglect, exploitation, and lack of patient/public education/information are what makes psychiatry psychiatry, and is why it needs to go the way of the dinosaur asap.
So what does âtreating patients betterâ actually mean? It means any one of the following, but should begin with the first:
1. Throw out the DSM and do not replace it
2. Stop claiming that psychiatric problems are biological or genetically linked
3. Seriously limit the prescribing of psychiatric medications
4. Seriously limit the use of ECT
5. Make it illegal for any physician to force medicate or medically incarcerate
6. Replace psychiatry with the many alternatives currently available
And when these happen, no one will be needing to find an exit.
âScreening for Mental Illness: The Merger of Eugenics and the Drug Industryâ, by Vera Hassner Sharav, MLS, from The Alliance for Human Research Protection
As I previously stated, if people want to take psychiatric drugs or undergo ETC, thatâs their business. What I object to is psychiatry falsely claiming that peopleâs problems are lifelong and biologically or genetically based, permitting the overprescribing of psychiatric drugs while downplaying the risks, and last but not least their ability to force treatments or involuntarily hospitalization on people which can be for indefinite periods of time.
Psychiatryâs abuse of medicine, power, and peopleâs human rights got a HUGE boost when psychiatrists collectively decided in 1980 to adopt the medical model through an admittedly flawed checklist system for their admittedly flawed DSM, which makes psychiatry not only misleading, but downright fraudulent. And the resulting devastation to both individuals and society are becoming increasingly apparent and definitively undeniable.
The body-brain chemical makeup can greatly affect how emotions are felt and thoughts are perceived. And lots of things can screw it up: too much stress (emotional, psychological or physical), prescription medications, environmental or recreational substances, and even bangs on the head. But none of these indicate biologically or genetically caused illnesses.
From the New York Post: âWhy more women, like me, are abandoning the pill over emerging health concernsâ by Rikki Schlott.
Correction: âIf people want to take âpsychiatric medicationâ or subject themselves to ECT, thatâs their business, but they need to be CLEARLY informed of significant risks of side effects and/or withdrawal reactions both immediate and future, and that NO âillnessâ is being âtreatedâ.
And NO ONE should have the legal authority to force any âtreatmentâ, or âhospitalizeâ someone who hasnât committed a crime.
Ideally, all medicine should be based in a Functional-Holistic paradigm. But present reality demands no longer seeing emotional distress through a medical/diagnostic lens, beginning with a dissolution of psychiatry and its DSM.
If people want to take âpsychiatric medicationâ thatâs their business, but they need to clearly know thereâs significant risk of side effects and/or withdrawal reactions, and that no âillnessâ is being âtreatedâ.
And no one should have the legal authority to hospitalize someone who hasnât committed a crime.
Itâs not hard seeing how disconnected modern society is when you stop to think how insane it is having people pay someone for emotional supportâand on top of THAT calling it âmental healthcareâ. Itâs not a sign of progress; itâs a sign of degradation.
And as corny as it sounds, things wonât change until people get out of their heads and into their hearts.
Richard says, âUnfortunately, you have fallen into Healyâs âoh so charmingâ trap of pragmatic rationalizations for justifying oppression.â
I agree with Richard.
IMHO, most psychiatrists are driven by an unconscious need to hide from their own hidden vulnerabilities. Why else would they seek to obliterate feelings through drugs and ECT?
And psychiatryâs veneer of science gives the illusion of invulnerability.
Itâs all about power, similar to what drives most bullies or those who want to be seen as saviors.
Freud was absolutely right about one thing: the unconscious influences behavior. And scientists are no exception.
Why rely on âexpertsâ who havenât experienced ECT?
Arenât peopleâs personal accounts enough?
Has anyone bothered to ask the dear Dr. Healy (or anyone else who canât make up their minds about the dangers of ECT) if theyâd be willing to subject themselves or their loved ones to ECT?
How much more âproofâ does anyone need?
Science has been put on a pedestal that leads people away from their intuition and common sense.
âThe expertsâ would be wise to remember thereâs a point at which ânuanceâ becomes a hindrance to seeing and accepting the cold, hard truth.
No one need rely on âpsychotherapistsâ to process their trauma. People can do a lot on their own, in their own time, in their own way: writing /journaling, reading, listening to peopleâs experience on podcasts and videos, talking with friends or family members, including animals, engaging in hobbies or creative pursuits, volunteering, and spending as much time as possible in nature.
âI suggest we all become shrinks or lawyers and then we will be safe from slander. It will then come down to who can outslander whom.â
THATâS what psychiatry boils down to: SLANDER â
âThey are a childish, immature, selfish hateful bunchâŠ.you better tread careful.â
Indeed. Only childish adults think the way most psychiatrists and psychotherapists do, i .e. having to believe theyâre always right, and having temper tantrums when âpatientsâ tell them theyâre not.
Wow. Who wouldâve guessed that talking to someone could be helpful??? And wouldnât it be great if people werenât made to believe they need an âexpertâ???
Iâm very sorry getting off the psych drugs is causing you so much pain and trouble. It can take a long time for your body to readjust. And itâs even harder when the people who should know something donât.
I donât know whatâs worse, the effects of the so-called âmedicationsâ or the stupidity of the so-called âtherapistsâ. The whole thingâs a scam, imho.
Just hang in there as best you can, believing you will get through this.
They it called âpsychopathyâ to make it sound impressive so they can charge a fee when all it is listening, and most psychotherapists do a lousy job of that.
The term âpsychotherapyâ implies illness which indicates medical which leads to the can of worms called âpsychiatric diagnosesâ. Itâs as weaponized as psychiatry.
On the other hand, the word âcounselingâ has a much less negative connotation, i.e. legal counsel, pastoral counsel, guidance counsel, parental counsel, etc. And in these situations, people are share knowledge, experience, wisdom and guidance that (hopefully) isnât biased on pseudoscientific âdiagnosticâ beliefs.
I no longer use words like âdepressionâ or âanxietyâ. I just say sad or apprehensive.
And the same goes if someone is acting in a way I dislike. So instead of saying something nasty like âsounds like someone has a personality disorderâ, I just take the time to describe their behavior.
But it IS consistently based on a âpower imbalanceâ and the exchange of money, something thatâs unfair, unnecessary, unhealthy and inappropriate when all it is is talking with someone.
And psychotherapists are trained in psychiatric ideologies, i.e. âmental illnessâ, âpsychiatric diagnosesâ; theyâre psychiatrists without a prescription pad which can be even more damaging.
Either way, itâs all about power, manipulation and money.
Thereâs one criticality important thing Ms.Heller doesnât mention, or perhaps is unable/unwilling to see: that itâs not uncommon for manipulative people to be working as mental health professionals.
Powerful organizations always try to fix things after the fact, and canât see how perhaps they and society are part of the problem.
Children and adults need emotional support from people who truly care about their wellbeing, but not from prying professionals paid to police their private lives.
This is true, but I think most are too dissociated to comprehend whatâs really going on. The ones at the top of the heap are another matter entirely.
Dear Ramesh,
You might look into something at The Withdrawal Project (TWP). Itâs part of ICI, the Inner Compass Initiative. These are dedicated to helping people who are looking to reduce or come off psychiatric drugs.
Birdsong made a mistake.
Bill Wells says, ââŠsome organizations can be extraordinarily closed.â
And Birdsong says, âMost of these belong to psychiatrists.â
HERE IT IS!!! In print! Just what Iâve always sensed and been trying to say here all along, which is that psychiatry (and its loyal sycophantic twin known as âpsychotherapyâ) are BULLSHIT GALORE â
âGoffman [a sociologist] emphasizes the role stigma plays in psychiatric diagnosis and treatment by expounding on its insidious barrier to recovery and the dehumanization and de-personalization which stimulates further damage and marginalizes victims. Essentially stigma breeds contempt and contempt breeds blame.â
Such are the so-called âhealingâ dynamics of psychiatry and its partner in crime âpsycho-therapy.â
To yinyang:
I wasnât fully aware of that, but I think MIA is as radical as Iâm comfortable with. And I also think itâs a good idea to post in a place that has a somewhat more broad appeal, as something more radical might be too radical and therefore reach fewer people.
Bill Wells says, âAs Tip OâNeill wound suggest, the politics start at the local level. And some organizations can be extraordinarily closed.â
Psychiatryâs not medical. Never was, never will be. Itâs political, which is why it needs to go.
The political (punitive) abuse of psychiatry already exists in some form as evidenced by peopleâs inaccurate beliefs and attitudes towards people with psychiatric labels and the laws permitting forced psychiatric drugging and detention. And this will continue as long as psychiatry exists in any form. And THATâS the truth and the horror OF IT ALL.
And psychiatry has people up a creek because being a former or current user can make it difficult to be taken seriously, or even ruin someoneâs life personally and professionally. (Did I say psychiatry is political? Yes I did!) So people are left with word of mouth that thankfully is often the most effective (and safest) way for real change to happen.
Violence isnât always physically brutal; sadism often looks benign.
Psychiatry is a case in point: it offers a way for traumatized people to unconsciously deny their trauma by wearing the mask of âdoctorâ so to legally traumatize people in the name of âtreatmentâ. Itâs sanitized sadism.
Psychiatryâs hauling out their old standby CYA (Cover Your Ass) medicine because theyâre afraid of the lawsuits headed their way. So theyâre jumping on the bandwagon before itâs too late.
Many thanks to MIA for giving voice to those who have been unfairly criticized, silenced, targeted, imprisoned, tortured, censured and censored by psychiatry and its advocates.
Kate W. writes, âThis is the problem with being a consumer â we get consumed.â
Wow. Reading this article confirmed my worst suspicions about people who work in the mental health system. Nonetheless I was deeply saddened as I read Kate W.âs painfully vivid account.
And itâs an eye opener for anyone holding illusions about creating alliances in a mental health system based on stigma and invasions of privacy.
âAll this focus on psychiatry is a bit old fashioned.â
Psychiatryâs history of human rights violations has continued unabated to this day and is becoming increasingly widespread due to the undeniable association among psychiatry, Big Pharma, mainstream media, academia, and the legislative/judicial/policy-making branches of government. So promoting alliance between supporters and opponents of the current mental health system reveals not only a serious lack of understanding and concern for those caught in the mental health system, but a disturbing complacency that is best described as irresponsible.
I don’t ever consider the fight for ANYONEâS human rights âold fashioned!”
People holding seriously different views can unite on individual issues; it happens every day and is called democracy.
However, psychiatry is the only branch of medicine that seriously infringes on peopleâs basic human rights.
I therefore see aligning with people who believe in psychiatry as making a deal with the devil; this, however, does not preclude aligning over specific issues.
Iâve never viewed all âconsumersâ as the same. Whatever someone decides to do is their business.
What I object to is psychiatryâs violating peopleâs human rights by feeding them lies.
And building alliances where thereâs major conflicts of interests is counterproductive, especially when one side has more power than the other. So in this area I see collaboration and half measures as ultimately harmful for those who need help the most.
Yes, and psychiatry uses fear (on some level) to âwinâ every argument, or âdiscussionâ, which makes things airtight for them, but suffocates others.
âWhen the oppressed set aside all disagreements with their oppressors, there will be no discussion, no collaboration, no compromise. Just capitulation and silence.â
Protecting and restoring human rights requires addressing and eradicating problems at their source, which in this case is psychiatry. But unfortunately, too many supporters of the current mental health system either cannot see or refuse to acknowledge this.
Fortunately, more and more people are gradually seeing what âpsychiatryâ actually stands for, which is the denial of human rights.
madmom asks, ââŠ.if you do not believe in constructive dialogues between psychiatric survivors, consumers, family members, and mental health professionals, if you do not believe in recruiting allies from within the helping professions, what is your preferred strategy for implementing a global revolution of the mental health system? What activities do you believe will result in a safer, more humane world?â
First of all, I DO believe in constructive dialogue with anyone. But that is not the same as forming alliances, something that is NOT constructive when fundamental beliefs are fundamentally incompatible.
And my strategy for implementing a global revolution of the mental health system is supporting and contributing to MIA which I believe IS resulting in a safer, more humane world, as speaking out in whatever way possible is the MOST concrete action ANYONE can take.
âAll this focus on psychiatry is a bit old fashioned.â
Human rights violations committed by psychiatry and its wide assortment of allied professionals has continued unabated to this very day, and are growing increasingly widespread due to the undeniable alliances formed among psychiatry, Big Pharma, mainstream media, academia, and the legislative/judicial/policy-making branches of government. So promoting alliances between supporters and dissenters reveals not only a serious lack of understanding and concern for those caught in todayâs mental health system, but a disturbing complacency that can only be described as irresponsible.
My question is this: WHO in their right mind would ever consider the fight for ANYONEâS human rights to be âold fashionedâ?
âAll this focus on psychiatry is a bit old fashioned.â
Violations committed by psychiatry and its wide assortment of cooperating practitioners not only continues unabated to this day, but are getting increasingly worse with the increasing coordination of psychiatry, big Pharma, academia, government agencies, courts, and the mainstream media. So promoting cooperation between supporters and dissenters reveals a disturbing complacency about the serious issues people face when caught in todayâs mental health system, which is not only very disturbing, but most irresponsible.
Janne says, âIt really bothers me that the whole belief that science can prove the necessity of something and that educated professionals can make good decisions for others has been going on for so long. When that happens some personal and political goals are pushed in the scientific evidence base and expressed as objective fact. But those that are interested in these kinds of philosophical problems seem few.â
Agreed. Where people used to automatically point to their bible, theyâre now saying, âitâs the scienceâ about darn near everything, from dog food to psychiatric drugs. Itâs become a meaningless trope.
And itâs societyâs collectively uncritical embrace of anything that looks or sounds remotely âscientificâ that has led to the neglect of teaching people how to think philosophically and critically question the prevailing narratives about âmental healthâ. What started as misguided Freudian interpretations gradually merged with âscienceâ and steadily morphed into the publicâs unquestioning acceptance of psychiatryâs medical model. Itâs become the worldâs latest and greatest example of mass indoctrination.
Janne says, âIt really bothers me that the whole belief that science can prove the necessity of something and that educated professionals can make good decisions for others has been going on for so long. When that happens some personal or political goals are pushed in the scientific evidence base and expressed as objective fact. But those that are interested in these kinds of philosophical problems seem few.â
Agreed. It used to be people automatically saying things like, âthe Bible says soâ, to where theyâre now automatically saying, âitâs the scienceâ about darn near everything, from psychiatric drugs to dog food.
Sadly, today our societiesâ collectively uncritical infatuation with science has led to not teaching people how to think critically and question prevailing theories. The mass indoctrination that began with Freud has morphed into the publicâs unquestioning acceptance of âbio-psychiatryâ.
Ms. Aybarâs says, âAs it is, the clinical psychology field continues to promote and monetize the dehumanization of mentally ill people. When will the dehumanization of people with lived experience in mental illness stop?â
Excellent question. But I doubt things will change anytime soon due to the prevailing satisfaction with the status quo from those in leadership positions. But thanks to stories like Ms. Aybarâs, peopleâs efforts now have a fighting chance, as her story powerfully and painfully pulls back the curtain on the poisonous mindsets currently being inculcated in the very places one would think there would be none.
But I never held many illusions, as I always had the uncomfortable sense that the psychotherapeutic field too often brings out the worst in very people who work in it.
My using the phrase âsleeping with the enemyâ was not intended to be a personal attack on Mr. Oaks or the work he does. I consider the phrase a reasonable choice for anyone who has experienced psychiatryâs abuses and therefore understandably disagrees with Mr. Oakâs efforts to unite people with markedly different perspectives.
I personally find psychiatryâs many documented malfeasances to be much too serious to allow for any common ground with those who harbor more sanguine feelings. And criticizing those who for good reason harbor less sanguine feelings seems counter to the purposes of this webzine, one of which, if Iâm not mistaken, is to give voice to those who have been unfairly targeted, criticized, silenced, tortured, censured and censored by psychiatry and its advocates. And I sincerely hope MIA continues refraining from such practices.
Unless they haul out that sorry substitute for âcollaborationâ they call âshared decisionâ, their pathetic attempt to maintain control by appearing cooperative.
But when push comes to shove, they know damn well who holds the power, and theyâll not likely to willingly relinquish ANY of it.
Thank you yinyang for shedding some light on the situation.
To me itâs mind-boggling how defensive most psychiatrists and their advocates get whenever people disagree with them, especially when presenting evidence of psychiatryâs many obvious harms and fallacies. They invariably go into attack mode attempting to shred someoneâs character, i.e. âshooting the messengerâ â
Stopping psychiatryâs obvious abuses, (involuntary commitment, forced drugging, ECT, or âpsychosurgeryâ) wonât be enough, because psychiatryâs harms are rooted in its own false premises; more colloquially, psychiatry is psychological vermin that needs to eradicated, not merely âtweakedâ.
Steve,
Thank you for this comment. It reminded me of the term âwillful ignoranceâ. So I looked up the definition and think it perfectly describes most âmental health professionalsâ, from instructor on down.
Willful ignorance is: âTactical Stupidity. The practice can entail completely disregarding established facts, evidence, and/or reasonable opinions if they fail to meet someoneâs expectationsâ
Itâs uncanny how typical it is for therapists and psychiatrists to turn a deaf ear to peopleâs real concerns, as they usually demand to be seen as having more knowledge than anyone else, especially when they know they donât!
Iâm not blaming Woanjun Lee. Iâm stating my opinion on the study heâs reporting on. And I think important to keep tabs on what passes for âscience.â.
And I fully agree with you that psychiatry is definitely unkind, and prescribes powerful neurotoxins.
ââŠat some point the best decision is to say, screw all the therapies.â
THAT was the beginning of healing for me.
âAt some point, the patient realizes that maybe the âtreatment providersâ enjoy seeing patients face rejection, suffer, fail. Itâs the only thing that makes sense.â
THATâS what Iâve always thought! I think a lot therapists unconsciously live to experience schadenfreude; why else would they seek power over others?
No one should be expected or pressured to form an alliance with people who refuse to fully accept and stop the harms they cause, even if they stop harming.
Survivors arenât responsible for appeasing their perpetrators.
Allying with psychiatry is allying with barbarism.
You learn how to live life THROUGH LIVING IT â not from âprofessionalsâ who donât have enough sense to know that psychiatric labels are BULLSHIT.
People need to learn better ways of taking care of themselves emotionally, and this doesnât happen through âdiagnosesâ. It happens by being with others who openly share their own struggles, not people who hide behind âcredentialsâ in order charge a fee.
âToday, there are few opportunities to get help without also receiving a diagnosis.â
This is the root of the problem caused by the current âmental health systemâ. As soon as a diagnosis is given, an insidious process of infantilization starts taking place that may not be dislodged until serious damage is done to someoneâs self-concept. Itâs as damaging as calling a child âbadâ.
âYou make yourself the master of another through language and the power inherent in language.â
This is exactly what psychiatric language does, FOR psychiatrists, and anyone else who uses it. It gives the illusion of power and knowledge when all it actually does is strip people of their own.
This conference is a huge step in the right direction. But Iâm afraid itâs just going to spawn another school of âtherapyâ that inevitably puts itself ahead the client. In other words, just another ego trip for unhealed, unconsciously insecure therapists.
What helped me get beyond therapy better than anything was learning to heal myself through self-therapy, courtesy Daniel Macklerâs many videos and books. No gimmicks, just truth, through and through.
âJohnstone points out that if you only have a trauma-informed focus, you can fall into a trap of becoming too individual-focused and forgetting the interaction with the power structures in society.â
This point canât be emphasized enough. Therapist who say they âtreat traumaâ are doing the same thing as those who use DSM labels, making âtraumaâ just another label that ignores the surrounding situation, or âstoryâ.
The only thing people need is to be heard by someone who doesnât hijack their story, âtraumaâ or not.
– âWords affect both the person who utters the words and those who receive them.â
THATâS an understatement. Psychiatric language devalues people and allows practitioners to talk down to them. Not very âtherapeuticâ.
– âBut psychiatry has the problem that it does not base itself on what people actually say, but what it thinks they mean.â
Hereâs what most psychiatrists (and psychologists) fail to see: that DSM âdiagnosesâ are no more accurate and even less useful than the Freudian interpretations of yesteryear. In other words, theyâve merely exchanged one bogus idea for another. Not very âinsightfulâ.
Itâs paternalistic, alright, and in all the worst ways.
All it proves is that people, both men and women, take for granted someone running their home or having their kids.
They need to remember that people are PAID for doing housework, and that women can now RENT OUT THEIR WOMBâand if THAT isnât âworkâ, I donât know what is.
And thatâs a lot more work than any man will ever do.
Iâm surprised they havenât already. Theyâve co-opted just about everything else: âart therapyâ, âdance therapyâ, âmusic therapyâ, andâhow could I forgetââtalk therapyâ.
Genuine acts of kindness and freely chosen social connections do more than improve so-called ânegative affectâ, they prevent it. And no one needs a study to know that.
Some people are too arrogant to grasp the true nature, meaning and reason for religion: feelings of awe, gratitude and humilityâall of which are spiritualâsomething theyâre loath to accept, for who knows what reason.
Itâs too bad when people have no sense of the transcendent. But some people have no ability to be humble.
People like E. Fuller Torrey are too arrogant to grasp the true nature and meaning and reason for religion: a sense of awe, humility, and gratitudeâwhich are non-material, which means spiritualâsomething he seems loath to understand.
Someday psychiatry and its âtherapeuticâ offshoots will be seen for what they truly represent: complicated defense mechanisms used to hide from emotional reality.
l.e._cox says, âThe biggest problem with most academics (not to generalize) is that they canât confront, and thus see problems as much more complicated than they really are.â
THATâS the godâs honest truth. But some people get a kick out of complicating things. Or maybe theyâre just cowards.
NEWSFLASH: Psychiatryâs not rocket science. And neither is psychology, for that matter. But making people think they are can bring in lots of self-satisfaction, not to mention plenty of dough.
Thank you Dr. Gotzsche for your dedication to truth and integrity. A textbook critical of psychiatryâs current inaccurate narrative is badly needed, and I hope it gains traction in mainstream circles.
âResearchers have debated what it means to recover from mental illness, with âprofessionalâ opinions often differing greatly compared to service user opinions.â
I think psychiatrists are extremely arrogant to think theyâre the ones to decide what ârecoveryâmeans.
And most think youâre âsickâ if youâre not punching someone elseâs time clock.
Psychiatryâs replaced it with diagnoses and drugs, while other psychs preach âresilienceâ, âmindfulnessâ or that granddaddy of them all, âpsychotherapyâ.
Sheltering in place was a huge relief because it gave me a reason to stay out of places where music is constantly played. And things are a lot quieter with the advent of earphones. A lot less musical bombardment, which helped me gain some mental and emotional equilibrium.
Psychiatry and psychology promote unrealistic standards for peopleâs thoughts, feelings and behavior. Theyâre very judgmental. Just like religion often is.
My late aunt was hospitalized only once in her life for the only psychotic episode she ever had. Thank goodness the attending psychiatrist realized she was suffering from a one-time event because she hadnât been that way before. So when she was discharged she didnât fill any prescriptions or continue with âtherapyâ. And she was never psychotic again.
And what was the matter? She was suffering from extreme loneliness.
I think people who donât realize theyâre psychiatric prisoners are unconsciously using defense mechanisms, i.e. âStockholm syndromeâ or âidentification with the aggressorâ) as a means of survival.
The only reason Allen Frances did an about-face on the DSM was because he saw it was becoming a laughing stock, not because he suddenly grew a conscience.
Thank you very much, justsayno86. I greatly appreciate your generous appreciation.
You are right. Psychiatry IS the greatest enemy. But itâs an invisible enemy, which makes it more dangerous. And people definitely need to be warned.
I also canât imagine why anyone would ever want to unite psychiatric survivors with psych consumers. And anyone who thinks itâs a good idea shows a serious lack of understanding.
Spirituality essentially means emotional growth, which means the broadening, deepening or âmaturingâ of a personâs soul, which means gaining an awareness and understanding of oneself and others and how this relates to the world around them.
But this is a deeply personal, complex process that tragically gets hijacked by psychiatric diagnoses, drugs, and even âpsycho-therapyâ.
sam plover says, âFunny how a shrink will accept that his patient is âsickâ, he never questions what you say and even has a bunch of diagnoses on hand.â
Fantastic article. It reveals like no other how one-sided and corrupt the psychiatric industry, Big Pharma, and the legal system have become.
âThe very fact that someone has been given any psychiatric label is used in a staggering variety of ways to deprive them of self-respect, dignity, self-confidence, employment, custody of their children, the right to make decisions about their medical and legal affairs, and even their livesâŠ.â
âAnyone in danger of losing their human rights â or their life â through a court proceeding should have someone like Gottstein advocating for them, because he is a tireless advocate, knows the law inside and out, and never loses sight of what is true, what is right, and what is humane in its respect for his clientsâ dignity.â
A YouTube video worth watching: âOH SH*T, THIS JUST HAPPENEDâ, by Russell Brand
These neuroscientists could have learned a lot from this YouTube video: âA Critique of NeuroscienceâAs it Relates to Psychological Healing From Traumaâ, by Daniel Mackler
Psychiatry unequivocally deprives people of their humanity with its pseudoscientific diagnoses, iatrogenically harmful drugs, damaging ECT, and forced medication/hospitalization. And none of these build diplomacy or allies, but definitely deny peopleâs human rights, which is criminal. So expecting meaningful dialogue with people who not only deny their humanity but also their human rights is not only unrealistic, it is illogical.
And while there are no laws demanding anyone face their inner demons, more than enough people have learned more than enough about psychiatryâs demons or âdark sideâ with its violations of social justice which is the reason for this website.
Nijinsky says, âSomething does happen when you step out of investing in using fear, trauma, coercion and physical violence to control peopleâŠThatâs what snake oil salesmen do, and lately the mental health system.â
Yes, and I would posit that miracles happen when people step out of psychiatry.
Steve says, âI think we should all be in touch with our own inner sense of what is ârightâ and true, rather than following some outside interpretation of reality.â
I agree completely. And I forgot that Buddhists donât believe in a deity, and that Quakers refer to God as Light Within, which to me means oneâs own intuition.
Iâm not dismissing anyoneâs claims of whatever they think is a miracle. I just donât think one group has the authority to decide whatâs a miracle.
And psychiatry and religion are about exerting authority more than anything else.
Nijinsky says, âReligion and psychiatry seem to be in the same boat as indoctrination rather than simply listening, being curious, and SHUTTING UP with their attempts at programming rather than allowing and showing decent curiosityâ.
Very true. Religion and psychiatry arenât about curiosity. Theyâre about conformity, how to think, talk and act like them.
And psychedelics arenât the answer anymore than psychiatric drugs.
I consider psychiatry the enemy because thatâs how I see it. And itâs not without reasoning OR content that Iâve come to this hard-won conclusion. And youâre assuming I donât use either reasoning or content is both disparaging and diminishing, and very presumptuous.
Steve says, ââŠ.generalizations about âtherapistsâ lead to mistaken ideas. Not all therapists are alike or believe in the same things.â
But they all believe in âtherapyâ, which creates more problems, in my experience.
I canât bring myself to defend anything about âtherapyâ because itâs a bad idea that only gets worse when people call themselves âtherapistsâ, no matter how well-intentioned they may be because they still represent and profit from an exploitive system based on irrational power dynamics and pseudoscientific diagnoses. So defending any part of it is morally inconsistent, imo.
And the saying, âthe road to hell is paved with good intentionsâ plays out again and again and again by people who practice âpsychotherapyâ.
And the Catholic Church arbitrarily changes its miracles checklist, as it used to demand three âmiraclesâ. I guess they got impatient in todayâs digital world.
Itâs like psychiatry arbitrarily changing its âDSMâ checklists.
And as for âmiraclesâ: for me, these mean good things that canât be explained. And I see no need for getting entangled in someone elseâs religiously tedious explanations, be they religious, or âscientificâ.
My question is this: why do some people insist on needing to explain the unexplainable? And my answer is this: some people need to be seen as god, and scientists are no exception.
The Catholic Church has its own arbitrary checklist for declaring new âsaintsâ, which includes at least two incidents they arbitrarily consider âmiraclesâ. This makes about as much sense as a group of psychiatrists arbitrarily declaring new âdiagnosesâ via arbitrary checklists for their own arbitrary bible, the DSM .
I was referring to the Catholic Church which has its own arbitrary criteria for determining whomever they arbitrarily deem a âgenuine saintâ, which includes at least two things they arbitrarily deem a âgenuine miracleâ, which makes about as much sense as psychiatryâs arbitrary checklists for its definitely ingenuine DSM.
Most people who work in the âmental health systemâ are obsessed with seeing whatâs âwrongâ in the person, instead of whatâs happened to the person. And even if they do happen to consider whatâs happened to the person, they still pathologize/label their reaction to whatâs happened to them.
How in godâs name does anyone think they know better than anyone else what qualifies a âgenuine miracleâ?
Oh, the ironyâŠ
The miracle is the fact that âeducatedâ people manage to keep a straight face while thinking like this. Which suggests they must be delusional, which makes sense regarding psychiatry, since that DEFINITELY qualifies as delusional.
Why has it taken so long for âthe expertsâ to figure out what lots of ordinary people have already known for a long time? Maybe theyâre finally realizing they can no longer ignore the handwriting on the wall.
Looks to me like theyâre trying to claim the narrative before getting caught with their pants down.
Everyone needs a sense of agency, control, freedom and privacy, of being heard, included and valued for who they are, not the objectification, isolation, exclusion and brute force used by traditional psychiatry, which is essentially sanitized brutality.
Universities claim to be dedicated to the transmission of knowledge and wisdom. But if this were true, why are so many dedicated to modeling and motivating some of the worst in human nature: bias, intolerance, favoritism.
People who work in areas like âpsychiatryâ and âpsychologyâ have reached the apex of dissociation, as they have the delusion theyâre helping people. But all these do is provide a way for them to intellectually distance themselves (dissociate) from feelings and fears they canât face in themselves. Another word for this is âotheringâ, or labeling, itâs âgold standardâ, which has always been a means of survival, conscious or not.
And universities are great places to academically dissociate.
Why does it take so long for âeducatedâ people to figure things out? Why canât they just admit the garbage theyâve been selling doesnât do anything but numb the brain???
It sounds like the jerks are starting to pay attention to whatâs happening on the sidelines and are trying to get ahead of the narrative thatâs being created by people who actually know what theyâre talking about. But as stupid as the âexpertsâ are showing themselves to be (once again), they at least sense theyâre starting to look stupid, which, btw, they actually are.
Darkness and silence invite sleep which quiets the mind and gives the body a chance to regenerate. And hormones can be very sensitive to light-dark cycles.
People have a right to âbelieveâ whatever they want. And I donât really give a damn one way or the other, as long as they donât try and shove what they âbelieveâ down my throat.
Traditional trappings of success (college degrees, professional/social distinction, expensive lifestyle) wards off unconscious feelings of dissatisfaction and prevents social rejection. And the university system, like the society that created it, capitalizes on these destructive dynamics to preserve societyâs distorted values.
Steve Spiegel says, ââŠonly psychiatry uses redundancy to promote legitimacy.â
Definition for redundancy: not or no longer needed or useful; superfluous
Freud was trained as a neurologist which was why psychiatry was believed to be a âmedical scienceâ. But since he hard time establishing his practice, he had plenty of time to wonder about patients whose problems defied physical explanation. And while many of his ideas were very insightful, a lot of them were just plain nuttyâproducts of his own out of control imagination and habitual misogyny. So eventually, a few people got wise to the guy and came up with their own take on things, but not before his ideas took root in the public consciousness.
Thereâs nothing more prone to fads then the âmental healthâ system. And psychiatryâs redundancy is reflected time and time again whenever the latest psychiatric drug comes on the market, or some half-cocked âtherapistâ writes another book to publicize their own brand of âgroundbreakingâ âpsychotherapyâ. And neither of these are legitimate.
boans says, âWhat sort of delusional visions are conjured up when people speak like this?â [âtreatmentâ]
The idea of âtreatmentâ itself is a delusional visionâand a lot of mental health âprofessionalsâ en-vision themselves as saviorsâwhich suits very nicely their visions of grandiosity.
And since emotional struggles are generally perceived as weakness, or in todayâs jargon âmental illnessâ, people who struggle (or viewed as âdifferentâ) are often met with suspicion and kept at an armâs length using various means of rejection and sometimes outright hostility.
Dynamics like these flourish in traditional college environments where competition is lauded and worldly success is venerated, so fears of ânot succeedingâ, or ânot fitting inâ make a lot of people nervous and therefore want to avoid like a contagion those experiencing difficulties because it reminds them of their own insecurities surrounding failure or not fitting in. And these feelings are often hidden underneath all the hype.
So people who donât fall in line with societiesâ expectations in thought, appearance or actions are often roundly criticized or even dismissed because people donât want to be associated with anything they perceive as âillnessâ/weakness i.e. âfailureâ (which equals rejection, the most primal fear) because vulnerability is antithetical to the whole college spiel of âwinningâ, something society lives and dies by. Itâs a vicious circle covered up by the ballyhoo of college life.
And fears of litigation are behind a lot of what drives the whole scenario these days.
Stigma (fear) against âmental illnessâ has primal origins.
Emotional struggle on some level means vulnerability, which generates feelings of overwhelm/weakness, which leads to feelings of helplessness, which ultimately triggers fears of rejection, a feeling first felt at some point in infancy. So receiving attention and feeling accepted (having oneâs need met) are associated with survival, both physical and emotional.
And most adults continue playing this out as soon as certain levels of prosperity are achieved, by running around seeking validation and grabbing whatever status they perceive as important in their environment, as this wards off feelings of isolation and helplessness felt as infants.
Thereâs not a chance in hell that psychiatrists will ever willingly âshareâ their power, because without it, what have they got? Not much more than anyone else, except an ability to write âprescriptionsâ for chemical junk. And so-called âpsycho-therapyâ is word junk.
Theyâre naked as jaybirds and deep down they know it.
Stigma around mental illness has been around for thousands of years. And fear is at the root of it. And contrary to popular belief, things like âpsychiatry, âpsychologyâ and the so-called âmental health systemâ are built on stigma (fear) and do a good job of passing it along.
And universities are products of elitist thinking, no matter their geographical location. And elitism breeds unhealthy competition and discrimination that leads to destructive power dynamics on which most societies (and families) are based.
What passes for âeducationâ about âmental illnessâ in traditional venues like universities actually promotes and continues spreading misinformation (fears) about what is believed to be âmental illnessâ while stoking feelings of superiority towards those who have either not had an opportunity for such âeducationâ, or have chosen to bypass it.
Imo, having exceptional intellectual ability has nothing to do with emotional intelligence. Unfortunately, the world values and operates on an ability to process large amounts of complex information or an ability to express oneself eloquently more than emotional intelligence. And the same goes for exceptional athletic or so-called artistic/creative ability. So universities, (especially private ones) end up being highly curated, controlling environments that are more concerned with liability because this affects their marketability (image) which ultimately affects their funding. Simply stated, universities are more concerned with their reputation.
Itâs too bad being a good person isnât enough.
Relying on âprofessionalsâ to help with personal matters, no matter how trying, provides a field day for opportunists.
No one can claim âexpertiseâ unless theyâve been through it themselves, or have been by the side of someone who has, and definitely NOT in a âclinicalâ sense.
The âclinical gazeâ is what psychiatry is all about. And psychology isnât much better. But itâs useful for keeping the powers that be and those who follow them comfortably dissociated.
Mr. Ruck is right. Healing is, above all, relational, and this includes the relationship one has with oneâs own self. But traditional âpsycho-therapyâ is not relational in any meaningful sense. Itâs a sad and sterile substitute for the real thing.
Imo, the world would be a much better place if people stopped feeding/paying the beasts of psychiatry and psychology and instead started feeding/paying each other in more ways than one. And creating awareness through MIA is how this is already happening.
Relationships that involve emotional intimacy should never be based on money, as money is never the right incentive, especially in relationships based on a power imbalance. And money is a major incentive, no matter what self-deluded do-gooders would have people think.
Could it be that articles like this signify the last gasps of a dying âprofessionâ? One can only hope. More likely itâs more lip service, or fear-induced naval-gazing in yet another feeble attempt to save their lying asses.
The only thing that needs to happen is for psychiatry and its cohorts to be liquidated, terminated, and utterly eradicated like any other failed business venture. And calling themselves âscienceâ or âhealing artsâ is the biggest load of bullshit ever perpetrated on society.
But psychiatry et al is far worse than a failed business or âhealingâ venture. They are the termites of modern society.
And what are the âtermites of societyâ? Well, according to academia.edu, it refers to people who exploit others. And I canât think of a better term for psychiatry and its cohorts.
And if they insist on pointing to âthe scienceâ, they need look no further than the increasing numbers of people âdiagnosedâ with a âdisorderâ and the steady accumulation of âdiagnosesâ in DSM. Itâs the manifestation of wish fulfillment for psychiatrists.
Research like this is a disgusting waste of resources that would have been better spent on feeding and housing those in need rather than feeding the egos of people more interested in adding to their curriculum vitae.
Religions metaphorically express the meaning and feeling of being alive. They hold intrinsic value individually and culturally.
But psychiatry and psychology have no intrinsic value, scientifically or spiritually, as both are ethically vacantâand take pride in being so. And the harder these pathetically gruesome quagmires try to be socially relevant, the more they fail society, as coldly analyzing the human experience dignifies no one. They are prime examples of intellectual perversity born of intellectual grandiosity, that mimics science while being religiously intolerantâthus wreaking havoc in peopleâs lives in all kinds of ways.
I believe thereâll come a day in the not-too-distant future when psychiatry disintegrates from its own unbridled confidenceâin no small part because MIA keeps spreading the word.
Years ago, I adopted a puppy dog from the local pound. She looked and acted fine, but she shook violently on the way to her new home, although I held her close and spoke to her gently. And when she got there, it became apparent that sheâd been badly mistreated. She wouldnât let anyone affectionately pat her near her rear, as she was afraid people were going to hit her. And for two weeks she wouldnât go near her bowl of food until no one was looking, and then sheâd grab most of it in her mouth and hide it. And she didnât want to get in the car because she thought she was going to be taken away from a home that loved her. But with unreserved affection, she eventually learned to feel secure and trust people. But up until she left this world, there were times she did things that revealed she never forgot what sheâd been through. And people are no different.
Breaking points arenât just physical, they emotional, psychological, and spiritual as well. And everything collapsing can open the way for reassessing and clarifying oneâs life. Some call it spiritual rebirth. âIllnessâ it is not.
Adding psychiatric âmedicationsâ to unprocessed trauma is a recipe for disaster like no other. But no one need depend on so-called âmental health professionsâ for this either. But thatâs something few âtherapistsâ have the brains to realize or balls to mention to anyone, especially their so-called âclientsâ. Most hide behind a useless alphabet of dubious âqualificationsâ, while lacking the most important one of all: an ability to listen respectfully.
Religions are ways for people to metaphorically express the beauty (and sometimes horror) of the human experience. Itâs what gives religion and experience of living their intrinsic value. Itâs the reason religions have existed since the beginning of time.
But psychiatry and psychology are different in all sorts damaging ways, as the purpose of both are perverse, imo. And the harder these try to be relevant (scientifically or religiously) the worse they fail, as coldly analyzing the human experience dignifies no one. They are monstrous examples of intellectual smugness born of hubris and self-absorbed grandiosity that mimics science while being religiously intolerant. And both need to dissolve, as neither are either religion OR science, but nevertheless wreak havoc in both ways.
Psychiatry and psychology habitually ignore the intrinsic value of the human heart, because doing so would weaken their foolishly incessant claim of being âscientificâ.
Imo, the only thing the âmental health professionsâ offer is a polluted stream of ever-increasing âpsychopathologiesâ, ever-increasing toxic substances to âtreatâ them, or one of its ever-increasing âpsychotherapiesâ, all of which are based on a pay-to-play, power-imbalanced, artificial ârelationshipâ. And with Big Pharmaâs steadfast contributions, itâs become a medicalized Ponzi scheme of epic proportions.
And while most religions are guilty at some time in history of inflicting damage in the name of their respective gods, most were originally based in honoring the dignity of each and every human being. And this ultimately brings out the best in people.
But psychiatry and psychology do nothing of the sort. They are fields obsessed with defining, redefining, and ultimately sentencing people to lives of needless limitation and psychological pain in the name of âtherapyâ, most of which can be avoided if people simply avoid those who work in the system, as most who do are obsessed with finding whatâs wrong in the person, instead of whatâs wrong in their past or present surroundings. And theyâre neglecting to do so, via their ridiculously vast roster of supposed âdiagnoses and treatmentsâ brings out the worst in peopleâand most clearly in the âtherapistsâ themselves.
And we all know who benefits most from such hopelessly dogmatic thinking.âŠ
Other mental health clinicians are just as limited as the psychiatric ones, as most operate from the same one-dimensional, sickness-obsessed perspective.
Psychiatry and psychology are definitely shibboleths. Itâs the only thing they can reasonably lay claim to. And deep down they know this, which is why they cling so tightly to their one-dimensional medical model with such religious fervor. And the insane part is they canât see how ridiculous this is. It shows their own incredible âlack of insightâ.
The main difference between psychology/psychiatry and religion is that where most religions offer some kind of redemption, psychiatry and psychology do not. All they offer is an endless stream of âpsychopathologyâ, which renders them incapable of seeing beyond peopleâs imperfections. And their âtreatmentsâ are an extension of their own pathology. Itâs all very nihilistic.
Psychiatry and psychology are definitely shibboleths. Itâs the only thing they can reasonably lay claim to. And deep down they know this, which is why they cling so tightly to their one-dimensional medical model with an almost religious fervor. And the insane part is they canât see how ridiculous this is. Itâs an incredible lack of insight.
The main difference between psychiatry/psychology and religion is that most religions offer some kind of redemption, whereas psychiatry/psychology canât see beyond peopleâs imperfections. All they offer is a stream of endless psychopathology. Theyâre the definition of nihilism. And whereas most religions seek god, most psychiatrists and psychologists believe (unconsciously) they ARE god.
Iâm sorry for what youâve been through. Mental health professionalsâ claims of confidentiality are false because patientsâ files are not. And the fact that few if any legislators recognize this as an abuse of confidentiality is unconscionable.
Correction: Psychiatry and psychology reliably, categorically and conveniently deny real science anytime it contradicts their carefully crafted false narrative.
Once upon a time, churches ruled large areas in the western world. These days itâs the mental health industrial complex.
Once upon a time, people who were castigated were called âsinnersâ. Today theyâre called âmentally illâ.
Once upon a time, the only means to absolution were to âconfess oneâs sinsâ to church officials. Nowadays people are compelled to confide in people they donât trust, claim diagnoses they donât agree with, and take psychiatric âmedicationsâ they donât want.
Whoever said âthe more things change, the more they stay the sameâ was spot on.
Psychiatry and psychology reliability and categorically deny real science anytime it goes against their carefully crafted false narrative. But they pretend to be scientific because they know it makes them sound convincing.
Their peculiar habit of denying real science clearly indicates how indoctrinated most psychiatrists and psychologists actually are, especially when doctors of other specialties happen to believe the patients who tell them of problems theyâre having with psychiatric âmedicationsâ. But this doesnât happen very often.
Most psychiatrists and psychologists harbor a religious belief in a medical model that not only distorts reality, but makes a mockery of the scientific method.
And while some define science as the act of interpreting an observation of the environment that is limited by the tools available for observing, most psychiatrists and psychologists fail to recognize the most important tool for observation and interpretation, and that is having an open mind. But thankfully most religions and art welcome imagination, while psychiatry and psychology definitely do not.
Psychiatry and psychologyâs inability to perceive value in the human experience is the reason they habitually disease-ify the human experience. Itâs how they fend off their own unconscious fears and desires.
Religion and art are symbolic (metaphorical) ways that humans use to create and express the truth, reality and meaning in the human experience. Itâs what gives them intrinsic value and is why they exist. Their power comes from acknowledging the dignity of the human experience (spirit), and is the reason both have existed since time immemorial. But religion goes from good to bad when it becomes dictatorial and intolerant, two words that best describe most psychiatry and psychology. And these two fields, unlike religion and art, flourish by medicalizing, categorizing, and coldly analyzing the human experience which dignifies no one. They are monstrous examples intellectual smugness brought on by huge amounts of hubris and self-congratulatory self-absorption that not only mimics religious intolerance, but actually is religious intolerance.
Psychiatry and psychology both claim to have discovered scientifically valid explanations for just about everything under the sun while failing to recognize that matters of the heart and mind are not matters to be approached âscientificallyâ.
And while psychiatry has proven itself to be scientifically invalid, psychology is equally vacant, as it also fails to offer much more than anyone with a modicum of common sense and insight would come up with on their own. Nor has either come to realize that observing and naming behavior is scientifically meaningless, whether or not itâs done âclinicallyâ, which makes both fields one huge cosmic joke.
And what is a cosmic joke? Believing the false projections of the limited mind.
Rasx asks, âWouldnât image-making then be closer to the truth about existence, or at least as close to it in some way, as analytic reasoning?â
Interesting question. I think things get confusing when essentially mushy stuff like psychology and psychiatry claim to be science while acting like religion. They try to be all things to all people, but end up having no claim to anything worthwhile. But they do manage to squeeze the meaning out of just about everything.
Rasx then asks, âWouldnât poetry and literature and religion and metaphor generally be valid means of expressing truth then?â
Poetry, literature, religion and metaphor are not just valid ways of expressing truth and experience, theyâre essential to sharing truth and experience. And analytical reasoning is another valid way of finding and expressing truth and experience. But this is where psychiatry and psychology fall off a cliff, so to speak, as neither deal meaningfully with either truth or experience, and definitely not analytical reasoning.
Image-making is the unique way humans find meaning. Poetry and literature and religion are all metaphors to find and express meaning. Which is essentially the meaning, purpose, or reason for art. Itâs something uniquely human.
Psychiatry and psychology are hopelessly materialistic, imo, as they stupidly think mouthing âscientificâ terms and engaging in âscientificâ research gives them credibility, which is stupider still, because thereâs nothing more meaningless than endless reams of âscientificâ data, most of which is meaningless either materially or spiritually. Itâs an expensive waste of time, a lose-lose situation thatâs all form and no substance. Itâs medicineâs junk food.
There is no âmeaning makingâ in psychiatry and psychology. Thatâs the first illusion. Unless you consider propping up some professionalâs ego and bank account meaningful.
Psychiatrists and psychologists are the worst people to turn to for things like that, imo. And I bet they make âmeaning makingâ a âdisorderâ if they havenât already.
Most psychiatrists and psychologists seek to reduce, control and define the indefinable because theyâre unconsciously terrified of lifeâs paradoxical vagueness and complexities. They childishly cling to science while stubbornly denying lifeâs ultimate uncertainty. But their stubborn belief in the reliability and appropriateness of a âscientificâ approach makes them a religion all their own as it seeks to perform the function of traditional religions, which is mainly to quell anxieties. But itâs a far more dangerous one, as their aping of scientific language and protocols give them an illusion of objective reality.
And how does this economic practice think itâs helping the human citizen?
By thinking too much of themselves and not enough of others, while enjoying too much the spoils of their profession, which primarily involve exerting power over others while living large.
I especially agree with your question regarding where the art and artistry has gone in the practice of learning how and why to be, and how to become, a better human. Itâs certainly not a question that science can answer, and itâs definitely not one it should even try answer. These questions are an anathema to the so-called âscience of psychiatryâ for obvious reasons, and also to its self-congratulatory cousin known as the âscience of psychologyâ for somewhat less obvious reasons, but the reasons for both are the same: big egos and even bigger hubris, as both are in areas they donât belong.
Much like religious leaders of the Middle Ages, most psychiatrists and psychologists take advantage of peopleâs lack of information about the dangers of psychiatric drugs and the manipulative nature of their power imbalanced âpsychotherapyâ â and for the same reason: use fear to collect money and maintain power. This was easy for religious leaders in the Middle Ages when most people didnât know how to read. Hopefully, the internet will continue informing more and more people about the dangers and abuses of the psychiatric/psychotherapeutic industry, and while providing viable alternatives to the sick medical model and power-inflated and money grubbing âpsychotherapyâ, much like the Gutenberg printing press did, once upon a time.
So true.
Visual noise: streets or freeways teaming with traffic, cluttered storefronts with loud signage or billboards. Not to mention digital, print, and tv advertisements. Itâs too much to process.
Quiet and darkness are incredibly healing. And so is silence.
I find the constant din of city noise (cars, trucks, sirens, air traffic, etc.) and background music constantly played in stores (and sometimes even in parking lots), or anyoneâs blaring tv set anywhere to be much worse than distracting. It agitates the whole nervous system and makes calming down impossible, which adds to pressure and stresses people out, which causes so-called âbipolar maniasâ, imo.
Psychiatry and psychology are malevolent fiction that have taken the place of traditional religion. They are secular religion, and are very destructive to people and cultures.
People have a right to expect that medical professionals will not lie to them about the cause, known or unknown, of their problems, and the mechanisms, known or unknown, of the âmedicationsâ they prescribe. Doctors using âuseful fictionâ is a weak excuse for patronizing, controlling, and exploiting peopleâs faith in them as trustworthy medical experts.
Todayâs psychiatry/psychology mirror the power of religion in Europe before the Gutenberg printing press and its subsequent Reformation. Both exhort a set of beliefs said to be âinfallibleâ, i.e. âscientificâ, and todayâs non-believers are scorned, punished, stigmatized, tortured and damned much the same way as religious non-believers in medieval times. And pressuring people to believe in psychiatryâs or psychologyâs dogmas and rituals, i.e. DSM diagnoses, drugs, âtreatmentsâ/âpsychotherapyâ, is just as irrational. But whereas religion has some redeeming features, such as believing in the reality and sanctity of the human soul/spirit, and respecting others and helping those in need, psychiatry and psychology do not. They are science imposters and soul killers. They are religionsâ evil twin.
A lie is a lie, and people have a right to expect that medical doctors will not lie to them, especially about the cause, known or unknown, of their problems, or about the medications they prescribe. Doctors using âuseful fictionâ is nothing more than a weak excuse to patronizing and control patients while exploiting their faith in them as trustworthy medical experts.
Psychiatry and psychology mirror the Christianity in the Middle Ages. Non-believers were scorned, punished, damned and tortured if you didnât believe in their god, their bible and its mandated rituals/âsacramentsâ. And the the invention todayâs internet is the electronic version of the gutenberg bible and subsequent Reformation.
Psychiatry and psychology are no different from the intolerance of medieval Christianity. Both exhort a set of unscientific beliefs professed to be true, and non-believers were scorned, punished, damned and tortured. And conforming psychiatryâs/psychologyâs beliefs in its diagnoses, drugs and âpsychotherapyâ is just as irrational.
Psychiatry/psychology are religionsâ evil twin. But unlike religion, psychiatry and psychology have no redeeming features.
I donât think many therapists are aware of the obstacles people can face in the healthcare system. What I was trying to say is that the therapist who said that sounds like someone who didnât appreciate what you went through.
KateL,
Youâve tried very hard in an impossible system where people fall through a cracks while running around in circles. And it sounds like the therapist who asked you, âDo you want to keep going in circles?â is part of the circle.
I looked up the difference between personality and temperament. According to my resources, people are born with certain temperaments, whereas personality is influenced by experience. Itâs all very confusing to me.
But the overriding factor is definitely the type (or lack thereof) of emotional bond/attachment between a baby and its parents/caregivers.
Any âfailureâ isnât yours. Youâre tried very hard in impossible system where people fall through the cracks while running around in circles. And I think the therapist who said that is part of the circle.
I donât think losing touch with your surroundings means anything other than losing touch with your surroundings. But I do think artistic or creative people are more sensitive to their surroundings, which doesnât mean anything other than artistic and creative people are more sensitive to their surroundings. And I donât mean to imply that artistic, creative, or sensitive people are more likely to experience âmental illnessâ later in life.
Labeling people with psychiatric disorders mostly helps the people doing the labeling, which means some people are hung up on controlling the people in their surroundings.
âAll you have is do is put some words together to construct your diagnostic criterion for something you observe, put in in print and all of a sudden it is reifiedâŠâ
Which means the DSM a totally subjective piece of socially biased junk. And your example of drapetomania shows exactly how, which means anyone tagged with a psychiatric diagnosis is suffering from âdrapetomaniaâ, to one extent or another.
Rasx,
I agree completely. Thereâs nothing more sensitive to the environment than an infant, both in the womb and after.
I agree with Jerome Kagan in concluding that âdifferent temperaments will express their attachment styles differentlyâ, and with your statement that âhigh reactivity or sensitivity is a complex developmental outcomeâ, and that âattachment style is nonetheless determined by parental behaviorâ. And I also agree that sensitivity isnât a risk factor for âmental illnessâ later in life.
But I still think people are born with their own unique personality, and also with their own abilities: artistic, athletic, intellectual etc. But ultimately, all this come down to, as you say, nature via nurture.
GPM says, âThe DSM needs to be trashed too. The completely failed âoperationalizationâ or biologizationâ or âgeneticizationâ of a diagnostic criteria pushed by Insel and others is itself a kind of cognitive pathology that ought to be the only entry in the DSM.â
Yes. People who believe in the DSM are the ones with a problem.
âThe idea that suffering, worried, scared, conflicted and traumatized people have a genetic brain disease is barbaric and Medieval and even nutty.â
Yes. Itâs barbaric and nutty.
I took a look at the paper, and was not surprised. My gut has always told me that stuff like this, i.e. foolish scientific extravaganzas, i.e. âmolecular psychiatryâ are products of a particular type of dissociated mind, its key feature being the uncontrollable urge to concoct excruciatingly complicated scientific explanations for easily explained phenomena. These types of seemingly rational activities are actually a function of the unconscious mindâs efforts to shield the conscious mind from painful emotional realities. Itâs a classic form of dissociative distraction, with no connection to the real world. Simply put, itâs scientific escapism.
Life isnât about seeing a âtherapistâ, or seeing âclientsâ. And itâs not about taking psych pills or being electrocuted, either. Itâs about sharing love and wisdom.
I remember reading the story of a woman who gave birth to a baby with Downs Syndrome. The doctors told her and her husband to institutionalize her. They refused and said, âSheâs ours and we love her, just as she is.â
Life can be harder for sensitive people, especially for those who donât fit in. And people get ostracized/labeled for not fitting in.
I use to wonder what happened to the kids who labeled/teased/bullied others. I think a lot grew up to be psychologists or psychiatrists, because I knew some who did!
Thereâs a reason why people describe their experience with so-called âmental illnessâ as âspiritualâ. Because it is. Itâs the self reconnecting to the soul, or âspiritâ.
People have been known to âgo insaneâ i e. âpsychoticâ when placed in intolerable circumstances, for instance, POWâs subjected to torture. But just too much stress in good situations can cause temporary breaks with reality. And too much stress makes it harder for the conscious mind to suppress painful (but unprocessed) thoughts, feelings, experiences, in other words, âtraumaâ.
I think most psychologists and psychiatrists unconsciously identify AS the aggressor. Because thatâs what they really are, and unconsciously want to be, imoâŠ.
â⊠psychiatry is also about the policing and the being part of humanity.â
Today I heard that someone in Britain was arrested for silently praying in public. (The person was near an abortion clinic). The police simply asked and the person said yes.
The âexpert-userâ dynamic is what I object to the most. And thereâs no need for it â except for blowing up someoneâs ego.
It amazes me how often so many psychologists and psychiatrists are the least helpful. Their humanity gets replaced with hubris, imo, so I think your request for a âcollaboration among equalsâ is too big an ask for most. And I wouldnât pay for it anyway.
I think being sensitive is both a gift and a curse. But strong feelings can be too intense for the conscious mind to process, especially when something traumatic is involved. Minds break from reality for a reason, and psychosis protects the conscious mind, and art is an expression of the mindâs unconscious.
Clinical psychologist: âGee, maybe we should learn to beâŠ.what was that thing called again?âŠoh yeah, humanâŠ.now I wonder what that means?âŠ.Guess weâll have a do more research!â
Psychologists should stop fooling themselves existentially by realizing that psychology isnât a science. Maybe then theyâd be ready to âhelpâ people. But Iâm not holding my breath.
Why donât these âesteemed scholarsâ look for the genes responsible for the âpernicious social factorsâ, i.e. bullying, cruelty, brutality, savagery, barbarism, inhumanity?
But they donât need to âresearchâ anything. All they need to do is look in the mirrorâŠ.
âThe other thing about genetics is often overlooked – a particular set of genes may allow vulnerability to certain conditions, but might make other conditions possible. A hugely disproportionate number of our poets, writers, playwrights, graphic artists, etc., have had psychotic experiences. Perhaps a certain set of genes opens us to alternative experiences of life and enables artists to flourish? And snuffing out those genetic variations snuffs out a lot of creativity and motivation to change and grow in society?â
YES!!! Artistic/creative/intuitive/sensitive people seem born with an ability to experience the world uniquely. And maybe not having a chance to safely express this in ways that come naturally to them causes them to blow a fuse. But I think everyone is creative, so the same goes for anyone whose need to express themselves is thwarted.
And of course genes are the reason. But whateverâs involved, leave it alone; thereâs a reason for spontaneity, itâs called evolution, which is the beauty and mystery of it all.
Steve says, âThe other thing about genetics that is often overlooked – a particular set of genes may allow vulnerability to certain conditions, but might also make other conditions possible. A hugely disproportionate number of our poets, writers, playwrights, graphic artists, etc. have had psychotic experiences. Perhaps a certain set of genes opens us to alternative experiences of life and enables us to flourish? And snuffing out those genetic variations snuffs out a lot of creativity and motivation to change and grow in society?â
Yes!!! Artistic/creative people seem born with a unusual ability to see the world in unique ways. And maybe not having a chance to safely express themselves in ways that come naturally to them causes them to blow a fuse. But I think everyone is creative, so the same goes for anyone whoâs need to express themselves is thwarted.
And of course genes are the reason for it. But whateverâs involved, leave it nature alone; thereâs a reason for spontaneity. Itâs called evolution, which is the beauty and mystery of it all.
Itâs shocking what people can do to others out of ignorance, fear, and convenience. But Iâm glad knowing youâre now both psych-free and drug free, and with NO âhelpâ from the âmental healthâ industry. BRAVO BRADFORD!!!
Rasx says, ââŠ95% of people in inpatient psychiatric wards have disorganized attachmentâŠâ
Tell that to the psychiatrists.
âSecure attachment is probably THE number one protective feature against everything we label âmental illnessâ; and developmental psychopathology as a field uses the paradigm of insecure attachment as the bedrock for explaining later pathology.â
Tell that to the psychiatrists.
âAlmost ALL of the ACES relate to the parent child
dynamic.â
Tell that to the psychiatrists.
âSo if our goal as a society is to keep parents free from feelings of guilt, shame and the responsibility to change, then yeah letâs go for biopsychiatry and genetic reductionism. But letâs not pretend that this is a move meant to âhelpâ the patient or tell the truth about the evidence.â
On second thought, donât bother telling the psychiatric industry – – too many of them have got âMMDâ: Myopic Mind Disorder
How can the âtherapeutic relationshipâ be just as toxic (and even more so) than any other? Because in âtherapyâ, one actually IS the âidentified patientâ/symptom bearer, which is not a good feeling at all, and accumulates its own set of âtherapeuticâ baggage, courtesy your âtherapistâ.
So travel light and plan your own itinerary, via self therapy. Itâs the safest way to travel!
This summarizes the process of healing from destructive family dynamics. The only thing I take issue with is saying someone âneeds to work with a clinician.â This is NOT true. People can do it themselves as thereâs dozens of books on healing from trauma that can do just as good a job if not better, as the âpsychotherapeuticâ relationship can be just as infantilizing, if not more so.
Two YouTube videos to jumpstart the self therapy process: âBreaking From Your Parents – – An Overviewâ, and âIs My Therapist Good Or Not? 12 Questions From A Former Therapistâ, both from Daniel Mackler
Rasx says, âHe literally drugged an entire generation of children in order to play out his denial about his own disfunctional family and his role in his childâs distress on a grand scale.â
Rasx,
You describe a psychiatrized house of horrors. I think a lot of them probably were, and probably still are. Mine sure was.
Psychiatry as a profession appeals to people who are already dissociated and are unconsciously looking for ways to dissociate more and get paid at the same time. And psychiatry more than fills the bill. It devised an airtight âbiological constructâ to hide from emotional reality even though theyâve no scientific proof to back it up. And dealing drugs has become its main gig. It even has a language of its own called âgobbledygookâ. Itâs a really weird combination of sleazy and pretentious.
KateL,
Thatâs the idiocy of it all. Itâs left you a horrible legacy and is in the process of leaving many more. The mental health system is a sick culture through and through because it reflects the culture we live in.
I hope things improve for you and your son, KateL.
What Freud did to protect himself caused decades of damage to many, many people, most of whom were women.
And a tragic example is that of author Virginia Wolf. She was sexually abused by family members and then told by psychiatrists that her memories were delusional.
And if there are significant âneurologicalâ differences in political views, what are they going to do with it? Lobotomize people who disagree with them? But of course, they wouldnât call it lobotomy; theyâd ask DSM editors for less damning terms.
What an horrible, horrible experience. And Iâm outraged it happened to you.
Kate, what you experienced is exactly why psychiatric wards/hospitals are terrible places for anyone. And it doesnât take a PhD in psychology to understand that the kinds of people attracted to these kinds of jobs (psych nurse/jail warden) arenât always the right ones for the job. And THATâS putting it VERY lightly. And I doubt itâs in the minority, but even if it is, itâs a situation set up for abuse.
I wouldnât have lost so many years of my adult life if I hadnât been prescribed psychiatric drugs, as the âside effectsâ were profoundly life-altering, and some were permanently disabling. I think psychiatric âmedicationsâ should only be used sparingly and for only brief periods, if at all, in most situations.
âIâve heard that talk therapy can be too dysregulating for people whoâve experienced long-standing trauma, especially in childhood, which usually means having had at least one narcissistic parent.â
CORRECTION: Iâve heard that talk therapy can be too dysregulting for people whoâve experienced long-standing trauma, especially in childhood, which usually means having had at least one abusive parent.
I replaced the word ânarcissisticâ with âabusiveâ because ânarcissisticâ has become too stigmatizing. I apologize to anyone who was offended by my oversight.
The most dangerous thing about psychiatric language, (the DSM) is itâs their word (the âtherapistâsâ) against yours, courtesy their self-serving âpower imbalanceâ.
And unless youâre willing to roll over and play dead (i.e. âbe compliantâ, i.e. âbe agreeableâ), you often end up paying a heavy price, in more ways than one:
1. More âdiagnosesâ
2. More âmedicationsâ
3. More âpsychotherapyâ
4. More iatrogenic illness
5. More threats of confinement
And most tragic of all:
More more self doubt, more self blame, and finally, more self hate.
And no one in their right mind would call this âtherapeuticâ. Except, of course, most psychiatrists/âtherapistsâ.
Thank you, Tammy.
Youtube was also where I learned the truth about psychiatry. And Dr. Bregginâs videos are among the best. I can still find them on YouTube, though.
And itâs also how I learned of Alice Millerâs books, which were equally transforming.
Pal Espen Olsen writes, âYet, in our little corner of the world, we have now locked ourselves into a specific language to categorize, understand and remedy mental illness.â
âA language that invites us to take the suffering out of the context in which it exists, that sickens understandable responses to difficult experiences and harmful life conditions that are obviously connected to larger, society-related conditions.â
âWe throw around bad labels and medicate widely without it seeming to reduce the amount and degree of suffering.â
âI am tempted to think that we have created a monster. A monster that oversimplifies and sickens and produces for its own survival without creating significant change and improvement for anyone but itself. A monster with the power to define and prioritize, which leaves many in shame and powerlessness.â
Psychiatry created a language of suffering thatâs now become a world of suffering. Its DSM decontextualizes, mischaracterizes, dehumanizes and devalues the human experience. But most people donât realize this, (including most psych professionals). The medicalized language fools them into thinking itâs true when itâs not. And so the charade continues.
Schnell says, âIn time using meds to treat psychiatric disorders will become razorsharpâŠwe are on the cusp of incredible breakthroughsâŠâ
What? Again? Somehow, I get the sense Iâve heard this beforeâŠ.oh yes! Now I recallâŠ.it was back in the late eighties when Prozac made the headlinesâŠ.and then the nineties roll in, bringing the ânewerâ antipsychotics, that turn out to be, well, not so new at allâŠ.and then around 2000, someone named âInselâ starts blowing his horn about âgeneticsââ and guess what happens? Nothing! Not unless you consider a shitload more âdiagnosesâ and heap more iatrogenic illness ânothingââŠ.and now things are so desperate (for psychiatry!) that theyâre turning to (of all things), psychedelics. Which reminds me of the saying, âall thatâs old is new againââŠ
And the psychiatric merry-go-round keeps going roundâŠ.and roundâŠ.and roundâŠ.
âLanguage whittles away at the diverse ways of being alive. It perpetuates the most violent in culturesâŠWe donât need to continue reifying a violence that begins with a presupposition that some lives matter, and others are disposable.â
I agree 100%. Alice Millerâs insights are absolutely indispensable. And I firmly believe that the world would be a much better place if everyone read her books.
Iâm so sorry you ever felt the need for therapy. But I hope Iâm not out of line for saying this: consider yourself lucky if you had limited access to it, because you probably avoided a lot more trauma.
Therapy just gave me more trauma. And all itâs really about is learning to be your own best friend, or parent, so to speak. And reading Alice Miller helped me learn to do this in a way therapy never did.
Iâve heard that talk therapy can be too dysregulating for people whoâve experienced long-standing trauma, especially in childhood, which usually means having had at least one narcissistic parent. It certainly was too dysregulating for me, but what bothered me most is the dynamics of it: power imbalance, labeling, to say nothing of having to pay these people. But the power imbalance was by far the worst (for me), as I found it both insulting and infantilizing.
(This may sound silly, but I think Alice Miller deserves to have a holiday named after her!)
Someone should use the word âpsychiatryâ in the following sentence and sue the APA:
âWe are concerned that PSYCHIATRY is being marketed with limited empirical data behind it and virtually no scientific or ethical discussion.â
But not use following statement: âWithout more research, it is unlikely that medical providers and the general public will have sufficient understanding to evaluate the pros and cons of this technology.â
Medical providers may not have âsufficient understanding to evaluate the pros and cons of this technologyâ, but the public sure has, because extensive and decades-long research has already shown NO CONCLUSIVE DATA. And nothing can change the ethical implications of such data.
Psychiatry needs to be dissolved, along with all branches of DSM-dependent, dissociative science, be they medical or behavioral, i.e. âpsych-ologyââ
Thank you for your outstanding comments on this subject. Copies should be sent to university psychology departments worldwide, especially the one on 12/18/22 at 12:06 am; it says everything that needs to be said from every point of view.
âThe activity of genes (DNA) just like the activity of proteins and every other countless inanimate molecule in the living thing, is âcontrolledâ by the living state, not the other way around.â
âThis absurdity is the twin of another absurdity, the EEA. Together, they form the porous foundation of the most colossal scientific folly in history.â
âDevelopment, which is what is proper to us humans, is nature via nurture all the way down, which means there is no possibility of the environment not being involvedâŠâ
âThere is not a single gene that spontaneously manifests without an environmental stimulus and contextâŠ.â
âEpigenetics should put the nature nurture debate to bed as an oversimplified, overly reduced way of thinkingâŠâ
âBut psychiatry loves nothing better than to be overly simplified, reduced, and rigidly mechanistic with no concept of organic development.â
Psychiatry isnât a medical association; itâs a medical dissociation.
Whatâs the point of finding out whether or not someoneâs âneural makeupâ influences their political views? Itâs a stupid thing to even wonder about.
Donât these people have anything better to do?
Adventures in âneuro-politicalâ tinkering are not only incredibly stupid, but unethical and potentially dangerous. People should pack up their science gear, go home, and leave the brain alone, because itâs not hard to imagine the real motivations lurking behind someoneâs âneuro-politicalâ escapades, as one thing comes to mind:
Micah writes, âOne might wonder about the neural makeup of those advocating spreading U.S. foreign policy and its associated âdemocratizationâ to the far corners of the world, which is, of course, not addressed.â
One might. But why not wonder this: Whatâs the neural makeup of those advocating âneuro-politicsâ? But even thatâs a stupid question, because any meaningful answers found would be ethically useless. So the real question is this: What are the motives behind such research? And what are the plans for such research and why? But my gut tells me that people drawn to things of a âneuro-politicalâ nature arenât likely to come up with any truly reflective answers.
And while thereâs no denying that recent technological advances have produced enormous benefits to humanity, two things of enormous spiritual value are getting lost in the process: wisdom and restraint.
Articles like this are a painful reminder that many (and maybe even most!) so-called âeducatedâ people have become, well, too âeducatedâ. In other words, they have become walking-talking encyclopedias of full of useless information and on the fast track to nowhere. Meaning many of those claiming to be scientists may not be, in reality, truly keen observers, meaning many are going in the wrong direction with grandiose plans to drag the world with them.
Thank you for this absorbing article. It clearly articulates some very important points, such as the following:
âFinally, the authors note that ethicality speaking, neuropolitics research often âcontains claims about what is right and wrong; how things should beâŠâ They argue that this has been evident throughout the papers they examined, which take particular political agendas and norms as inherently good and desirable without ethical questioning.â
What does this article say about ethics? That studying ethics doesnât mean youâve got any.
KateL,
It was a pleasure reading your extremely coherent synopsis of Kimberleyâs article. I also found its main points to be well-researched, clearly written, very well-stated and irrefutable.
Peopleâs âset of âfactsââ are gained from their own lived experience, which is indeed part of a âshareable realityâ. And itâs a reality shared here on MIA with painful regularity.
And your presuming that people think others âshould accept those supposed âfactsâ on their say soâ is extremely presumptuous, imo.
Some concluding assertions: No one is obligated to write comments that others âwould agree withâ. And there is nothing âgentleâ about deliberately misquoting or questioning the credibility of someoneâs lived experience. But it is extremely insulting, imo.
And hereâs a bit of unasked for, but âgentleâ, advice: Itâs usually a good idea to follow oneâs own advice, and to remember the following quote: âThe opinions expressed are the writersâ own.â
P.S. All realities are shareable, but not all realities are relatable. And this is not an opinion. This is a fact.
Youâre welcome, Tammy. I donât see it happening in the near future either, but I do believe itâll happen sooner than expected (if that makes sense), thanks to the internet.
l_e_cox says, âMost of the âeducatedâ world now laughs at the idea that psychiatry might NOT have the highest level of expertise in the field of âmental healthâ. And so research and state policies continue to bend in their favor.â
I agree with l_e_cox.
l_e_cox further states, âFor me, it has come down to the need for an entire reorientation at a grassroots levelâŠIt starts with those who already realize something is wrong.â
Steve says, âThere is nothing wrong with taking psychiatric drugsâŠ.and we should not criticize them for making their decisions their own best data. We SHOULD criticize the psychiatric industry for being dishonest with their patientsâŠâ
My feelings exactly. And I think itâs despicable that psychiatry has operated on claims that are not factual:
1. Psychiatric disorders are biological (when they clearly are not)
2. Psychiatric drugs correct a chemical imbalance (when thereâs no evidence proving these do)
3. People need psychiatric drugs âthe rest of their livesâ (when they have no way of predicting the future)
4. That âpsychotherapyâ is better than talking with someone who is not a âprofessionalâ, (which is something they have no way of knowing)
And since all these claims have proven to be either false or based merely on subjective opinion, it seems reasonable to conclude that the mental health industry is based on fraudulent and misleading claims and assumptions.
I would have appreciated a âtrigger warningâ before this: âFragile people do not need adversaries.â
I found this sentence to be extremely âotheringâ.
I would have appreciated a âtrigger warningâ before this: âIt is much better for usâŠ.to seek out and find âthe helpersâ.
I found this sentence to be extremely patronizing.
A concluding assertion, from me personally: People in general donât like being lectured to, nor do people in general appreciate unasked for advice, especially from those who donât follow their own.
The army and CIA werenât the first to use psychiatry as a tool to control people. Psychiatry is routinely used by oppressive governments to silence and imprison dissidents.
Read what happened in Nazi Germany: âPsychiatry During the Nazi Era: ethical questions for the modern professionalâ from the Annals of General Psychiatry.
Emotional safety is a basic human need. Itâs instinctively sought from the moment of birth and remains a driving force throughout life. But not experiencing emotionally safety is the reason for most âmental illnessâ.
Asserting that psychiatric diagnoses and treatments are harmful is not asserting a rigid viewpoint. It is asserting a reality. And the fact that people have different viewpoints and different ways of expressing their viewpoints is also a reality.
But expecting or demanding that otherâs viewpoints be expressed in ways one always finds acceptable is not only unrealistic, it is inflexible, and is the reason I also was misdiagnosed, mistreated and mis-medicated by mental healthcare providers in the first place.
I for one am flexible enough to listen and learn from those whose viewpoints differ from mine, whether in tone or content. However, I make no apologies for strongly disagreeing or expressing strong viewpoints, or reserving the right to defend myself when my credibility is questioned or am being misquoted when expressing my viewpoints.
Jay Joseph quotes the editors of âScienceâ: âSchizophrenia, depression and bipolar disorder often run in families.â
The editors made an amazing observation. But guess what else runs in families? Intergenerational trauma.
Jay Joseph also says, âFrom the perspective of those who see political, economic, social and oppressive aspects of society as causing widespread psychological harm, what society calls the âsocietal burden of mental disordersâ, is really the mental burden of societal disordersâŠâ
Absolutely.
âBecause family, social, cultural, religious, educational, geographical and political environments play a powerful role in shaping human behavior, attention should be focused away from peopleâs brains and genes, and toward aspects of the environment that on one hand protect, nurture, and empower people, and on the other hand can psychologically harm people.â
This is where the focus needs to be.
Who knew science would one day become a great tool for denying reality? Itâs become its own form of psychosis.
Define psychosis: a severe mental disorder in which thought and emotions are so impaired that contact is lost with external reality –
This explains a lot.
Psychiatry has effectively divested itself of questions regarding human psychology. And its scientific boundaries are that of a psychological and spiritual prison. Itâs made living life a medicalized gulag for too many people.
There was a time not so long ago when a personâs problems with functioning were seen more for what they actually were: normal reactions to overwhelming stress from past experiences or current situations, and so-called âmental illnessâ or âdisordersâ were regarded as the mindâs way of expressing things too difficult too face, handle, or endure. It was a wise, compassionate approach. But psychiatry had other ideas.
And anyone who believes that life doesnât give you more than you can handle hasnât dealt with psychiatry.
Psychiatry confuses, fools, and intimidates people with its medicalized language. It uses the tried and tested âif it sounds scientific, it must be trueâ technique of manipulating people.
âWhat is practiced in psychiatry is harmful to the brain and body. Most of this is unnecessaryâŠ.â
Yes! Most people have a much better chance of attaining some kind of positive equilibrium without disabling âpsychiatric medicationsâ or invalidating âpsychotherapyâ. But few psychiatrists (and few psychotherapists for that matter) are able to see or care how harmful psychiatric drugs and labels can actually be, and most arenât likely to change their minds any time soon.
Thank you Tammy, for sharing your riveting story. Unfortunately I fear itâs an all too common one, but your submitting it to MIA helps publicize the fact that âpsychiatric patientsâ are more than a âdiagnosisâ.
ââŠsmearing your characterâŠâ is psychiatryâs main function, recognized or not. And few psychiatrists (and few therapists for that matter) are able to see or care how harmful psychiatric labels and drugs are. And most of those that do lack the courage to speak out against these shameful practices. Itâs a thoroughly criminal enterprise, imo.
One of the most ridiculous things going is the amount of energy most therapists spend in trying to get people to believe that âseeing a therapistâ is somehow more beneficial than talking to a trusted friend. Their insistence is truly pathetic and almost comical.
Imo, talking to a trusted friend or family member is much more helpful than speaking to a âtherapistâ, because a personal relationship is the only way to really know who and what youâre dealing with. And speaking with someone on a more equal footing is the best way to ensure youâre not being unduly influenced by someoneâs essentially meaningless âqualificationsâ.
Steve says, âNot all friends will be helpful, only the ones who have dealt with their childhood trauma, but the odds of finding someone who has are not improved by seeing a âprofessionalâ.
Thank your for mentioning this crucially important truth. And the fact that most âtherapistsâ claim the opposite is, imo, as injurious as the pharmaceutical toxins most psychiatrists (and many other doctors) prescribe. And itâs an especially destructive lie because the psychological effects of being told a therapistâs word is more reliable because of a their âeducationâ, plus an erroneous âpower imbalanceâ, gives therapists the power to further damage a personâs already shaky sense of self, which is unforgivable.
Thank you for mentioning Alice Miller. I think her theories tell the whole story.
Itâs beyond unfortunate that those trained to help people in emotional distress arenât taught or refuse to accept this fundamental reality. And I think most professionals (and definitely most psychiatrists) use their work as a way to continue denying (unconsciously) their own unconscious traumas.
Anyone with issues should read one of Alice Millerâs books before seeking âprofessionalâ help. Reading âThe Drama of the Gifted Childâ was all I needed to make sense of things and stop âtherapyâ and numbing âpsych medsâ, both of which were traumatizing. I think everyone should read one of Alice Millerâs books as soon as they turn twenty-one, and definitely before having children of their own.
âBut psychiatrists or the general population actually pretend that psych drugs affect only the brain, AND in some âgood way.â
Thank you for mentioning this important distinction regarding biological psychiatry. I donât find this kind of flawed thinking anywhere near as often with other kinds of doctors and the medications they prescribe.
I think psychiatryâs having to rely on a book of âdiagnosesâ based on committee-voted checklists is the reason most psychiatrists unreasonably defend the substances they prescribe, and doing so makes them insecure.
Itâs been said that history often repeats itself. Seems true, especially considering that itâs now the Age of Psychiatric Inquisitionâwhere the expression of negative feelings is a mortal sin to be medically persecuted with labels, drugs, and involuntary confinement, with the only means of escape being to hide oneâs negative feelings, and especially any unbelief in psychiatryâs self-proclaimed supremacy.
Psychiatry is the antithesis of authenticity. The only thing real about it is the damage it causes to virtually every aspect of a meaningful life: physically, emotionally, psychologically, socially, professionally, and culturally. Itâs label-fixated, drug-obsessed, medicalized puppetry, and psychiatrists are the puppet masters.
Definition for puppet master: a person that uses their actions or words to control someone or something of a lesser will, also known as pulling the strings.
And most psychotherapy isnât much different, as itâs based on a synthetic relationship.
But I donât think most other âmental health professionalsâ are much better than psychiatrists, as most are psychiatryâs lapdogs who follow the DSM like dogs in heat.
So-called anti-depressants donât âtreatâ anything. Theyâre anesthetics that not only blunt the feelings of those who use them, but the ability to adequately respond to the feelings of others and life in general.
âDSM disordering leads to scraps from the tableâŠ.all useful for the individual while obfuscating and maintaining the multifaceted cultural disorders for us all and turning more and more people into psychiatric consumers.â
Brilliantly stated. âPersonality disordersâ be damned.
And psychiatric diagnoses often destroy peopleâs credibility, which is strange when a lot of psychiatrists are said to take psychiatric drugs themselves.
It may have been an ER doctor. But it wasnât a psychiatrist, which wouldnât have made much difference. And she had a supportive husband who objected to her being institutionalized, no matter how briefly.
And yes, the psychiatric system DEFINITELY counts on people remaining silent and is DEFINITELY set up to separate the individual from the community and the family. And speaking out is THE ONLY WAY to stop the charade of psychiatry. And thereâs DEFINITELY power in numbers, which is EXACTLY why websites like MIA are so critically important.
l_e_cox is right. Mental health problems are very real and some people may need skilled help. But those skills should not include psychiatric diagnosing, or forced drugging, or holding people against their will. And working towards ending these injustices in whatever way possible is more than a dream. Itâs a moral imperative.
I once read an article (I canât recall where) about a new mother who was experiencing âpostpartum depressionâ. She went to see her gynecologist, but unfortunately she had to see someone she didnât know. But this doctor (who happened to be a woman) freaked out and had her hauled off to a psych ward. Her ordeal was horrible, but she managed (with great difficulty) to eventually get out of there. But most telling was that when she told her story on Facebook, she received THOUSANDS of messages from women who had either experienced similar situations or were afraid to confide in their doctor because they had heard of what could happen if they did.
Mary says, â⊠I created a customized treatment plan of time in nature, human connection, writing, and finding nonjudgmental listeners.â
This is what humans are born to do. Itâs called living life. And thereâs NO LIFE in DSM-ing and drugging people, which are front-and-center in the âmental health systemâsâ power-and-profit-driven agenda â
Psychiatry is not much more than a set of medicalized booby traps. But thank goodness the word has a chance to finally get around. And when it does, (most) psychiatrists wonât be able to hide the fact that most have egg on their faces and blood on their hands.
To l_e_cox,
I agree that thereâs a lot going on that weâre not very aware of. But I wish more people knew about or paid attention to psychiatryâs whistleblowers.
I agree. Itâs about establishing a nurturing environment, not an adversarial one. But I donât think the âmental health systemâ should be involved, at least not the way itâs run now.
l_e_cox says, âI have been looking into a lot more ways than just Big Pharma! What makes you think they are on TOP? That is to say, what makes you think there is no person or group higher?â
I recently heard on a news channel that the Big Banks are whatâs behind Big Industry.
If one bothers to read this current article closely, one would learn the four-step process from James Davies book âSedated: How Modern Capitalism Created Our Mental Health Crisisâ and hopefully understand how this process shapes our societyâs current healthcare and economic policies and by extension our personal healthcare decisions:
1. Conceptualize human suffering in ways that protect the current economic system from criticism
2. Redefine individual well-being in terms consistent with the goals of our economy
3. Medicalize behaviors and emotions that might negatively impact the economy
4. Turn suffering on a vibrant market opportunity for more consumption
And itâs a process purposely put in motion primarily by the so-called âprofessionalâ/ruling class.
Psychiatrists donât have to wait for people to be âin crisisâ to have their âpharmaceutical wayâ with them. All most people need to do is show up at a primary providerâs office and say theyâre âanxiousâ or âdepressedâ in order to get a prescription for any number of powerful psych drugs. And some people are getting powerful psychiatric drugs from online âmental healthâ start ups. And itâs this dangerously lax approach to handing out powerful psychotropic substances thatâs causing so much needless and often permanent iatrogenic harm, which is something most psychiatrists and primary providers know little about. And most of the time when people bring this to their attention they either are NOT believed or DONâT receive the support and suggestions they need for handling the problems created by psych drugs that most people didnât need in the first place.
And yes, there is indeed âsomething very, very wrong with this pictureâ, and whatâs wrong is this: we now live in a culture inundated by a much too powerful pharmaceutical industry thatâs primarily motivated by profits and is given unlimited access to any and all media outlets in the United States.
Tim Wilson says, âBut your claims that all psychiatrist/psychologist/therapists are incompetent, harmful, hustlers, in my experience, lacks credibility.â
May I remind you that your experience does NOT outweigh the credibility of my experience, nor does my experience outweigh the credibility of yours. Furthermore, I do NOT question the credibility of anyoneâs experience with the mental health system as Iâve had more than enough experience TO TAKE THEM AT THEIR WORD â and I would appreciate being shown the same courtesy.
And FYI: itâs my opinion that the ENTIRE âmental healthâ system is based on a dangerously incompetent and dangerously harmful hustler culture that produces and protects dangerously incompetent and dangerously harmful hustlers/practitioners. And tragically, any exceptions are exceedingly rare, which is the reason for this website.
Claims vs opinions: a claim is generally an argument about something debatable, and may it be an argument about facts or the interpretation of facts. An opinion does not need to be backed up with facts –
You say that my claims âlack credibilityâ. Please be advised that my claims and opinions are from facts and knowledge gained from my own LIVED EXPERIENCE which is NOT DEBATABLE, and makes them THE MOST CREDIBLE CLAIMS OUT THERE â
And if youâre still curious about my lived experience with âthe mental health systemâ, may I suggest you take the time to peruse some of my earlier posts.
Hayden Hall says, âWhen someone will listen very carefully, will exercise disciplines that teach them not to look down at the speaker whom most people might look down on, and will pay attention with a focus that, many times, a friend or relative cannot provide, that may be something a speaker can place monetary value on.â
Anyone who doesnât naturally know how to listen respectfully and expects to be paid for doing so is no one I care to talk with.
Hayden Hall says, âAny kind of professional who requires some kind of renumeration in exchange for a focused application of their skills might be said to exchange in ârelationships based on money.â
Obviously. But the title of this article is as follows: âThe Mental Health Industry Speaks Volumes About Our Societyâs Prioritiesâ. Furthermore, MIA isnât about âany kind of professional(s)â. It is specifically about the current âmental health systemâ and our societyâs role in perpetuating a broken system. And this is EXACTLY what my comments address, as in the one I posted previously:
Birdsong: âThe following states what Iâve always suspected about the financially-driven contrivance called âpsychotherapyâ:
Author:âItâs not reasonable, (Smail suggests) to expect professionals whose identity and livelihood depend on the individual model of suffering to reliably champion the view that, actually, capitalism is the real culprit.â
And although I stated, âRelationships based on money and labeling are disgustingâ please note that I included âLABELINGâ, i.e. âdiagnosingâ, a discriminatory practice used ONLY by the âmental healthâ industry, which is something that unfortunately people ARE EXPECTED TO PAY FOR âââ
Hayden Hall says, âBirdsong thinks professionalism of any kind is disgusting.â
Please note: Birdsong does not think, nor has ever said, âprofessionalism of any kind is disgustingâ, and does not appreciate being so blatantly misrepresented.
Itâs a sad day when people have substituted words like âtherapeutic interventionâ for simple human kindness. And doing so causes a whole host of problems, especially for children.
ââŠbut as CTIPP itself notes, thereâs a difference between therapy and therapeutic intervention.â
Really? I wouldnât depend on teachers knowing the difference.
âEven befriending a lonely child whoâs seen violence in an home is a potentially therapeutic interventionâŠâ
Befriending a child or anyone else is simply HUMAN KINDNESSâ
ââŠ.and doesnât really have anything to do with the mental health system.â
Really? Just you wait. The bureaucratic âmental health expertsâ are never far behind. And if teachers have to import âexpertsâ to show them how to befriend a lonely child, it means the school itself is the problem.
The road to hell is paved with âtherapeutic interventionsâ.
Hayden Hall says, âIn contracting with a qualified professional to provide their skills in service, you are helping them to eat, and liveâ.
Qualified to what??? Permanently saddle people with unfounded and discriminatory âdiagnosesâ and push dangerous drugs??? Or lead people down a self-serving path of cognitive dissonance???
Psychiatry is not medicine. It is drug pushing. And psychotherapy is emotional prostitution.
âMcMindfulnessâ – – now THATâS a term that means something.
Having young kids fill out a questionnaire about feelings is wrong. Itâs too focused and inappropriately intellectualizes emotions theyâre probably not ready to understand and deal with in a safe way. And it also violates their privacy, as you can be damn sure someone somewhere will misuse the information. Screening makes kids targets.
Iâm wary of schools getting involved in trauma. Just look at the mess theyâve made with so-called ADHD. Itâll probably mean more ways to label, drug, and stigmatize kids who already have too much to deal with. And looking for trauma often adds more trauma, as setting kids apart makes them self conscious and gives other kids a reason to pick on them. They need a place and an identity that has nothing to do with trauma. So give them a break for gosh sake.
Schools should do families a favor and stay the heck out of the âmental healthâ business.
iamcrazyaboutmentalhealth says, âBut I see a new world that is already started by finding a place like this and learning new ways to look at myself instead of through the cold lens of permanent brokenness as psychology has taught me.â
âthrough the cold lens of permanent brokenness as psychology has taught me.â
Kevin,
Thank you for sharing your powerful story and remarkable insights.
I found confiding in âprofessionalsâ trained to âdiagnoseâ to be not only insulting, but thankfully an impossible task, as most âtherapistsâ arenât worth the paper their âdegreesâ are printed on.
And labeling children is child abuse â FULL STOP â
Steve says, âResearch has proven that insensitive and thoughtless people fare better in societyâŠ.and (are) more successful in certain professions like sales, law, or politics.â
I think you left out mental health professionals. But wait a minute â arenât these just a bunch of salespeople and politicians by another name?
iamcrazyaboutmentalhealth says, ââŠit is nice to find a world that confirms what I have often thought about psychology for years, and finding sites like this was like somebody giving me permission I didnât think I had to question the way the current system does thingsâŠBecauseâŠI had a voice leftover from my past saying I really didnât know what I am talking about because I am not a professional. But now I know that is not true.â
IT IS SO NOT TRUE!!! And thank you for sharing how âbeing a professionalâ DOESNâT MEAN ANYTHING â
Children should not be trained, shamed, or forced to shut down/deny their negative feelings, and adults who teach this are committing an inverted form of emotional abuse.
The corporate world has turned âmindfulnessâ into one big âFuckidallâ approach. And schools are playing catch-up. But âFuckidallâ, whether in pill form or chants, kicks the can down the road.
Psychiatry is zombie medicine, and âpsychotherapyâ means âfollow the leaderâ, i.e. your âtherapistâ.
Priorities are subject to change, so there might come a time when (most) psychiatrists will be seen for what they are: drug pushing, money-grabbing quacks, and (most) psychotherapists will be seen as mind-bending, money-grabbing soul suckers.
The following states what Iâve always suspected about the financially-driven contrivance called âpsychotherapyâ:
âItâs not reasonable, (Smail) suggests, to expect professionals whose identity and livelihood depend on the individual model of suffering to reliably champion the view that, actually, capitalism is the real culprit, and they are enablers.â
Listening for money debases human relationships.
So whatâs it really all about in most âtherapyâ? THE THERAPISTâS AGENDA â
dfk asks, âIs it the lack of connection that has gone wrong?â
It IS a lack of connection that has gone wrong, but it is a lack of connection, or âbondâ, with ONESELF that has gone wrong more than anything else. But I didnât find talking with an egoist (âtherapistâ) at all helpful.
Ms McLean writes, ââŠthe role of market forces (encourages) the kinds of personal qualitiesâcompetitiveness, self-reliance, entrepreneurialism and productivityâŠâ and considers âExpressions of sufferingâŠas proof of a psychological deficiencyâŠ(and by)âŠblunting negative emotional reactions to exploitation and alienation, pathologized distress and antidepressant use disrupt the natural push for social reform that such suffering would normally provoke, leaving the exploitative system intact and its victims unarmed.â
Valuing external achievements more than internal ones creates needless alienation and suffering. And the only cure is an awareness of the situation and a personal commitment to deeper values.
âMental health cliniciansâ who believe in a literal reality of any âpsychiatric diagnosisâ have a distorted sense of reality thatâs ruled by their own unconscious anxieties and desire for power.
dfk asks, âIs it the lack of connection that has gone wrong?â
It IS a lack of connection that has âgone wrongâ. But itâs a lack of connection (or âbondâ) with ourselves that has gone wrong more than anything else.
And although feeling invisible wasnât easy, seeing a âtherapistâ was even worse, because it meant being labeled/stigmatized for feeling invisible. But it did prove one thing to me: anyone whoâs paid to listen ISNâT WORTH IT â
Why is it as children weâre told not to trust strangers, but as adults weâre expected to trust (and pay) a âtherapistâ whoâs nothing more than a stranger with a degree and a fee? These things donât make someone trustworthy. All these do is make it possible for someone to destroy your sense of self and charge you for it. So encouraging people to trust someone on a superficial basis is not only insulting, but a recipe for disaster on so many levels. And itâs one of the main reasons the worldâs as sick as it is â
dogworld says, âIf one had trauma from childhood where they never experienced trust and continued in life the same way. Why would any expectation be they need to bond with a relative stranger to understand themselves or recover?
YES!!! Thank you for asking this question. Itâs one Iâve been asking for years and have never received a good answer for. But I never expected one because I knew none existed.
âNo adult should trust anyone they do not know to some extentâŠBut when it comes to oneâs most sacred organ (brain/ mind), it is taken so superficially.â
Most therapists operate with more hubris than integrity, meaning few question the safety and effectiveness of psychotherapy (or themselves).
Yes, but psychotherapy is NOT social. Itâs a sanitized and artificial association intent on conforming âclientsâ/âpatientsâ to its sanitized, artificial, and dissociated way of being.
âMental health cliniciansâ who believe in a literal reality of any âpsychiatric diagnosisâ have a distorted sense of reality thatâs ruled by their own unconscious anxieties .
Hayden Hall says: âIn a less than totally imperfect world, psychotherapy could be a trustful relationship.â
I disagree. I think a âclinical relationshipâ is a totally misguided and seriously distorted way of relating to another human being in any kind of world, and thinking otherwise is indeed a fantasy, a âtherapistâsâ fantasy.
ââŠthis goes to show how coercion – explicit or implied – in the healing arts causes real and lasting harm.â
I agree. But the powers that be who unquestionably sing âtherapyâsâ praises makes their recommending âtherapyâ feel coercive and can make people afraid of considering options.
âYou donât have one without the otherâ meaning the âmental health systemâ is out to sell its bill of goods, meaning diagnoses, drugs, or its heads-up-its-ass âpsychotherapyâ.
Psychiatry canât fool the public forever. But I hope it doesnât take another generation of people harmed by it before it gets debunked. Sure hope the internet speeds it up.
âYour mind is being controlled by distant strangers who donât have your best interests at heart.â
Thereâs little difference between the mental health and advertising industries, as both exploit peopleâs misfortunes and insecurities, meaning you donât have one without the other. And itâs been happening for many millennia, as whoever controls information controls the world, which is why itâs so important to not rely on the âmental health industryâ.
Steve says, âMaybe we should cut out the middle man and just hire horses to do therapyâŠâ
Anything that bypasses a fundamentally flawed system is a good option. And itâs almost comical how something that calls itself a âmental health systemâ actually promotes âmental illnessâ.
What really needs to happen is for the DSM to be declared invalid, which isnât likely to happen because itâs what the mental illness system is built on.
âFrequency of climbing behavior as a predictor of altered motor activity in rat forced swimming testâ
This âresearchâ is a ghastly practice (animal torture) and gives me reason to believe my hunch that those who engage in âpsychiatric drug researchâ are indeed sadistic.
Someone needs to ask these âresearchersâ how theyâd react if they suddenly found themselves forced to swim for their lives.
Thank you Ms McLean for writing this outstanding article and thank you MIA for publishing it. It expertly summarizes a complicated and severely problematic set of circumstances that few people are aware of, or if they are, chose to ignore. And many of these are the psych professionals people turn to for help.
And though the question âSo, why donât governments intervene?â is easy to ask, the answer is not, as the pharmaceutical industry long ago bought off (i.e. âlobbiedâ) the legislators. And this is why âAn educated public has a much better chance as advocating from the grassroots for safe and effective treatments in the face of a pharmaceutical industry more interested in profits than people.â
I find it mind boggling that (most?) therapists fail to see that the so-called âtherapeutic relationshipâ is, imo, a relationship built on extremely unhealthy power dynamics: power imbalance, psychiatric labeling, fee payment, etc. These elements, imo, exploit and degrade the client/patient and can lead to people becoming dependent or even addicted to the therapist and the so-called âtherapeutic relationshipâ, which imo makes therapy a sick solution and imo means most therapists are on massive ego trips.
And one more thing: in my experience, the âtherapistâsâ needs always surpassed my own, meaning I usually ended up having to kiss their asses to avoid being therapeutically assaulted.
Correction: I DO know which is the worst: the financial.
And having that on top of some contrived âpower imbalanceâ makes âtherapyâ an untrustworthy relationship, imo.
And even though people in any relationship are trying to meet some kind of need, hiding behind a âpower imbalanceâ and then charging money is what makes âtherapyâ un-therapeutic.
The problem I have with therapy is that I believe therapists are ALWAYS trying to meet their own needs, consciously and unconsciously: financially, emotionally and egoically. And I donât know which is the worst.
Steve,
What you described is hopefully how people try to be, counselor or not. And I also think it describes a good friend.
And I agree thereâs no training for that ability. But the therapists I knew claimed their training was what made them able to react non-judgmentally, which I found incredibly arrogant, especially when I sensed that âthe therapyâ was more about making THEM feel better.
âThey liked that I was human and real with themâŠ.â
anotherone,
Thank you for alerting me. I appreciate and believe in your hard-won skepticism. And I donât think you sound dismissive, as I wholeheartedly agree with your comment: ââŠthe best defense against authoritarian violence from the mental health field is epistemic justice.â
And thank you for mentioning concept creep. Maybe these terms (epistemic justice, concept creep) are the ones Iâve been trying to find to more clearly articulate my criticisms of psychiatry and its offshoots. And imo, the entire mental health system is an industry that thrives on epistemic injustice fueled by its incessant concept creep, better known as âpower imbalanceâ and âpsychiatric diagnosesâ.
Steve says, âMy point was that the horse isnât going to reply to you out of his own psychological issuesâŠâ
The problem is therapists inevitably do, as do all people, to one extent or another. But I refuse to buy into the bullshit that therapists are trained to âdealâ with âtransferenceâ, counter or otherwise, because in my experience, the more therapists claim to be âabove itâ, the more likely they are to be affected by it. And when you toss in the toxic âpower imbalanceâ, youâve created one HUGE pile of horseshit.
The issue of âcountertransferenceâ is one more bullshit word the MH system drags out and makes a big deal out of when all it is is something that happens in every relationship, the only difference being in âtherapyâ youâre expected to pay someone whoâs often actingâs like a horseâs ass. Personally I prefer telling someone whoâs acting like a horseâs ass where to go and how to get there without having to whip out a check while being given yet another goddamn label, or insulted in some other mindlessly âtherapeuticâ way. And Iâd much rather sit on a horseâs back than talk to a horseâs ass (my âtherapistâ), which for me was like stepping into a pile of steaming HORSE SHIT â
Most of the people working in âmental illnessâ system are people who havenât faced whatâs been done to them and donât want to face what theyâre doing to others. And âtreating the brainâ is one big cop-out.
âTreating the brainâ imo, is a great way for the bullies, jerks, and insensitives of the world to deny the reality of childhood trauma so they donât have to deal their own, or what theyâve done or are doing to their own children. Or else they just canât deal with other peopleâs sad reality. And believing in âbrain scienceâ makes them feel good because it gives them status. But itâs all one big, shared delusion. But itâs great for âthe professionalsâ and their fucked up values.
Correction: âWhich is a curious development, considering that education supposedly elevates people above their baser instincts. But psychiatry has managed to accomplished the opposite.â
To Jennifer: THANK YOU!!! Itâs the best damn thing Iâve ever read. And I LOVE your art!
My favorite line: âThere was not a handful, but a universe full of people who had stories like mine, diagnoses like mine, and then, they undiagnosed themselves. I did the same.â
This is the only way to rid the world of âpsychiatryâ and its related fields: UNDIAGNOSE YOURSELF. And itâs the only way to make psychiatry and its related fields a thing of the past.
The world is a place where people often unfairly judge others and then often resort to unfair labeling. Nowhere is this despicable habit more prevalent than in the psychiatric industry, a place literally brimming with despicable labels. Which is a curious development, considering that education supposedly elevates the worst in human nature.
As the story goes, somewhere along the line, a bunch of people calling themselves âpsychiatristsâ figured out a way to make the despicable profitableâFOR THEMâand decided to called it âpsychiatric diagnosingâ, but itâs nothing more than dressed-up name-calling. And to further mislead the public, they cleverly but improperly decided to invoke the word âscienceâ to cover their multitude of psychiatric sins, all of which are unforgivable.
But this article discusses helpful alternatives to psychiatric labeling, as they seem to understand that such labeling and its array of standard âtreatmentsâ often destroys lives. Their methods (respectful communication, natural settings) are a bright spot in the ugly field of psychiatry and the mental health industry at large, both of which seem satisfied laying waste to humanity, all in the name of âmental healthâ.
Thereâs one thing you can be sure of in this life: wherever thereâs a need, thereâll always be some jackass whoâll to find a way to make a buck off it. And donât be fooled by anyoneâs so-called âqualificationsâ, as universities are no longer the neutral marketplace of ideas – theyâve become the marketplace of certification and financification in the fields of conformity and exploitation, something more commonly known as âthe mental health industryâ â
Correction:
6. And if âthe patientâ refuses to âcooperateâ (bow down) to â the doctorâ, âthe doctorâ will usually resort to ARBITRARILY ASSIGNING YET ANOTHER âDIAGNOSISâ to âthe patientâ. Itâs âthe doctorâsâ unconscious but foolproof way of establishing POWER over âthe patientâ, and âthe doctorâsâ unconscious but foolproof way of inducing feelings of hopelessness, degradation, and stigmatization in âthe patientâ. Itâs the sickest power play out there.
Define âarbitrarilyâ: on the basis of random choice or personal whim, without restraint in the use of authority; autocratically; irrational, inconsistent, irresponsible, subjective, unreasonable, willful, offhand, capricious, and the list goes onâŠ.and plenty of examples are available in the DSM!
KateL says, âI wonder how much it cost to be seen as a person. Iâm sure I canât afford it.â
Thatâs saying a mouthful.
Shedding âSevere Mental Illnessâ labels doesnât go far enough. The whole âmental healthâ industry deserves to be SHREDDED –
This article proves that the answers arenât in assigning âpsychiatric diagnosesâ or prescribing âpsychiatric medicationsâ. The answers are found in creating safe places where people feel safe enough to air their thoughts and feelings. Itâs that rare commodity known as HUMAN DECENCY, which should exist first and foremost in a personâs home AND NOT COST A DIME â
Ms. Lilly says, âDiscussing discontinuation with your doctor is recommended to avoid ADS and withdrawal symptoms.â
Thatâs a terrible recommendation. Because most âdoctorsâ are likely to:
1. Dismiss âthe patientâsâ concerns
2. Dissuade âthe patientâ from lowering the âdosage(s)â AT ALL
3. INCREASES the âdosage(s)â
4. Switch âthe patientâ to another yet equally damaging âmedicationâ
5. Add another âmedicationâ to âtreatâ the âside effectsâ of the current âmedication(s)â
5. And if âthe patientâ refuses to âcooperateâ (bow down) to âthe doctorâ, âthe doctorâ will usually resort to doing what âthe doctorâ did in the beginning, which was establish control over âthe patientâ by âdiagnosingâ (i.e. name calling) âthe patientâ. Itâs âthe doctorâsâ unconscious but foolproof way of establishing power over âthe patientâ and âthe doctorâsâ unconscious but foolproof way of inducing feelings of hopelessness, degradation and stigmatization in âthe patientâ. Itâs the sickest power play going.
A better recommendation is this: make sure you have a good internet connection and know of some good peer-run ADS websites. Itâs all anyone really needs. Plus a hell of a lot of luck, patience and courage â
Ms. Biancolli quotes Mr. Garson: âThe starting point for future philosophical inquiry is not: what is madness? What shall we compare it to? But rather: what is sanity? What shall we compare it to?â
With all due respect, Iâd rather stick with the first question: what is madness?
And that I can answer in three letters: DSM. Itâs the very definition of madnessâPSYCHIATRYâS MADNESS. And deception. And arrogance. And cruelty. And ugliness. And stupidity. And evil. AND GREED.
Things in âmental health systemâ have reached a point that asking the unanswerable is pointless. Itâs become a matter of peopleâs basic human and civil rights being seriously violated, which psychiatry does almost gleefully and with little to no regard for the potentially disastrous consequences in the lives of living, breathing, thinking, and definitely FEELING people.
Philosophical debate will not and cannot stop the problems created and denied by the out-of-control mental health industry which is headed by the two-headed juggernaut of psychiatry and its partners in crime, the pharmaceutical industry. The only thing that can possibly stop, or at least curtail, the disease of psychiatry is a massive public outcry against psychiatryâs discriminatory âdiagnosesâ and its debilitating âdrugsâ. And it definitely needs more and bigger victories in court. But no one should count on the latter. But one thing is certain: change can only happen when enough lives are ruined or lost as a result of psychiatryâs egregious misrepresentations of âdiseaseâ and its debilitating âdrugsâ. And tragically, this process is well underway â
Iâve little patience for the philosophical meanderings of yet another mumbling, fumbling, incurably pasty-faced academic whose ponderous intellectual wandering (i.e. farting around) does little to improve the situation at hand, while (most) psychiatrists and other âmental health professionalsâ manage to get off scott free.
And Iâm a âshit or get off the potâ kind of person AND AM DAMN PROUD OF IT â
And for those people who âchooseâ to make a living off blithely labeling others (psychologists, psychiatrists, etc.), Iâve got plenty of âchoiceâ labels FOR THEM, the only difference being my labels for them, however crude, are ENTIRELY ACCURATE â
Doctorsâ big egos are a drug reps payday. And where are the biggest egos in medicine? Psychiatry, which is ALL EGO. And drug reps know this, and play them like a fiddle.
The drug industryâs unwitting shills, or clueless dupes. Theyâre pretentious fools who donât mind living as power-grabby, drug-happy ignoramuses.
KateL,
Drugs reps are some of the most highly-trained salespeople out there. They actually go out of their way to âresearchâ the personalities and lifestyles of the doctors on their drop-in list. They scout out their vulnerabilities and where to complement them, because the seduction of doctors is a drug repâs specialty. And itâs no accident that the sales reps are good looking. Itâs a real schmooze city.
I once read a book on subliminal seduction. And according to the authors, physicians are the most susceptible, because physicians are typically the most cut off from their feelings, due to both the doctorâs inborn personality (big ego), and the unsympathetic training (med school) they subject themselves to.
And for those people who âchooseâ to make living off blithely labeling others, (psychiatrists, psychologists, etc.) Iâve got plenty of labels FOR THEM, the only difference being my labels, however crude, are entirely accurate â
One of the worst things about the âmental health systemâ is it that people donât have a choice as to whether or not theyâre labeled. And being labeled means being stigmatized. No choice there.
And these harmful, stigmatizing, bullshit âlabelsâ, which are âchosenâ by some asshole âprofessionalâ, stay on peopleâs medical records for life, which can create all kinds of havoc and injustice. No choice there, either.
I personally have never liked labels, diagnostic or otherwise. To me theyâre all a huge pain in the ass, even ones like âvictimâ or âsurvivorâ, because even these are too connected to the crap I didnât âchooseâ to endure â and âchooseâ to forget.
Anything devoid of ethics and morality is bound to crumble eventually, even psychiatry, but not before it harms and destroys a lot more people. Which is sad, but the truth often is.
Yes, but admitting to anything like that puts psychiatric industryâs power at risk, which is the only thing that really matters to them. And the truth is they really donât need to care, as long as they have enough malpractice insurance. But little do they know that being power-grabby doesnât hide the fact that most psychiatrists are lily-livered Chicken Littles who donât know what the hell theyâre doing.
The truth is, psychiatryâs a shell game, and if they donât know it they sense it, which is enough to scare them shitless whenever someone calls their bluff, as most psychiatrists are a bunch of dim-witted cowards who get off on power. Tsk, tskâŠ
And thanks for the publications, which are revealing and horrifying, but do prove my worst suspicions: that psychiatry at its core and in practice is a host of any number of despicable things, such as xenophobia ethnocentrism, sexism, etc., and operates as neofascist organization â FULL STOP â no matter WHAT psychiatrists say.
Correction: âWhy is there so much misogyny in psychiatry? Because the men who devised it thought with their CROTCHESâ, not âcrotchetsâ.
And I was referencing the book, âMisogyny in Psychoanalysisâ, by Michaela Chamberlain, which seems well worth reading.
And the other two books reviewed sound like real doozies, too. Especially the first one, âCrash: A Memoir of Overmedication and Recoveryâ by Ann Bracken, especially for things like, âIâm not sure how helpful it was for my mother to talk with her male psychiatristsâŠ.especially given the medical establishment and cultural attitudes towards women at that time.â Very important insight, but I donât think things have changed very much. And as for Ms. Bracken revealing to her psychiatrist that âshe feels like a chemical waste dumpâ, and he prescribes âYet another pill. Of course.â THATâS psychiatry in a nutshell, and proves that being a psychiatrist is essentially no different than than being a street dealer.
And while the last book, âMadness: A Philosophical Explorationâ by Justin Garson sounds interesting, especially with its no-stone-unturned approach, Iâm less enthusiastic, as Iâve little patience for the meanderings of yet another academic, no matter how enlightened or informative s/he may be. And at the risk of sounding cynical, I can imagine (most) psychiatristsâbeing the hustlers they areâwill find a way to either dismiss it or co-opt it, like everything else.
And btw, I donât consider myself a feminist. I just call things as I see them and let the chips fall where they may.
KateL quotes the APA: âThis (the black box warning) would put seriously ill patients at grave riskâ –
To which Kate aptly responds, âGotta love the APA, always looking out for patients.â
Typical statement from the APA, or any other paternalistic, politically motivated organization. But what else can you expect from a group of power-hungry, drug-happy buffoons?
Whatâs most important to the APA is maintaining their powerâto hell with peopleâs healthâand keeping their hold on power is what the APA is all about.
The only thing that scares the APA more than losing power is being seen as useless, but come to think of it, being seen as useless is one of the quickest ways to lose power. And power in psychiatry is all about ego, the psychiatristâs ego, from start to finish. But most psychiatrists canât see this because their egos have grown so big that they block out the light.
anotherone says, âThe MH field has such an egregiously violating, dehumanizing MOâŠâ
Yes. And you mention the fact that many of psychiatryâs âhistorical academia ideologues were fascistsâ. They still are, imoâjust scratch the surface and there it isâEugenics from top to bottom. They just cover it up with âdiagnosesâ.
So glad thereâs finally a book that addresses (concisely) the rank misogyny that permeates psychiatry. I canât wait to read it!
But itâs no surprise, because in my opinion, psychiatry IS misogyny, through and through. Always has been, always will be. Itâs the indisputable junk-heap of unconscious male insecurity.
And why is there so much misogyny in psychiatry? Because the men who devised it (unbeknownst to themselves) thought with their crotchets. No surprise there! And most male psychiatrists still do, (again, unbeknownst to themselves), as facing the unreality of their unconsciously presumed superiority is their unconscious terror. Itâs as simple and as stupid as that.
And as the saying goes, you get what you pay for, which for most women âpatientsâ means more of the same unconscious misogyny they already experience from their husbands, fathers, sons, bosses, or even from those men who happen to work under them. Itâs as predictable as a manâs unimpeded farts and other bodily odors – –
And the only thing âdeliberateâ I experienced âin therapyâ was being browbeaten by the therapist/psychiatrist so they could get their pound of âtherapeuticâ flesh â
Kathleen says, âUs psychiatric survivors are whole people, not a malleable playdough to be molded, manipulated and tossed aside when itâs time to play with the next toy, the next client. We are certainly not subjects to be experimented on.â
Thank you, Kathleen, for saying this.
Although I did not experience ECT, thatâs EXACTLY how I felt as a psychiatric patient, because thatâs EXACTLY how (most) psychiatrists view âpatientsâ, as OBJECTS, though most would never admit it.
âThe assumed inevitability of it all, the way in which psychiatry is happy to follow these casual routines, to tread the same well-worn paths with no regard for the damage that their inept, clumsy steps cause to our mental environments.â
YES! I find it annoying that so many people talk on and on about the trashing of our natural environment, yet are totally unaware of the trashing of our mental environment from psychiatryâs stigmatizing âdiagnosesâ and its physically and psychologically polluting âdrugsâ, not to mention the barbaric practice of ECT. And most allied professionals arenât much better, as most are too stupid to do anything other than follow in psychiatryâs well-worn, clumsy, and COMPLETELY inept âpsychotherapeuticâ footsteps.
Max McKay says, âIt is asinine that âtherapy outcomeâ as a concept fails to account for, reference, and acknowledge external psychosocial factors, to the point of outright distorting objectively correct views of circumstance.â
Very true. But I think itâs asinine that people get talked into, or talk themselves into, âgoing to therapyâ in the first place, which imo is a completely distorted way of relating to another human being.
âEven when it does correctly acknowledge external circumstance, it often then tries to normalize and control suffering, rather than diagnose some portion of emotional/cognitive pain as impossible to remove until external circumstance is changed (which often the individual has little to no individual power to do.â
Yes, and imo this points to the ultimate uselessness and futility of âpsychotherapyâ in most circumstances. But, fortunately, âgoing to therapyâ is one external circumstance most adults have the power to remove. But, unfortunately, the effects of the one-sided, power-imbalanced circumstance called âpsychotherapyâ often leaves âclientsâ subjectively, objectively, and monetarily scarred, FOR LIFE â
And FYI: Iâve found a heck of a lot of âmeaningâ in NOT depending on or pouring money into the pockets of some impossibly smug, incredibly stupid, AND DEFINITELY OVERPRICED psych âprofessionalâ â
People need to know thereâs better, safer, and cheaper ways to âmake meaningâ than spending their time and money inflating the ego and pocketbook of some nitwit âpsychotherapistâ. Read a good book, watch a good movie, take a walk, call a friend, help someone out, do ANYTHING but make your disappointments and dissatisfactions some nitwit âprofessionalâsâ payday. And who knows? You just might find the most valuable bond is the one you cultivate WITH YOURSELF.
And btw, whatâs the most disconnected, disconnecting and disgusting manifestation of capitalism? Itâs the psychological and psychiatric fields, UNQUESTIONABLY â
Only an idiot needs a âstudyâ to find out if people do better when they like the people theyâre dealing with.
So what does that make most psy-professionals? A bunch of over educated, pretentious fools who canât see themselves clearly, much less anyone else.
And donât make me gag using that infuriatingly stupid term, âtherapeutic bondâ. For crying out loud, just call it what it is: INFANTILIZATION â
âA strong relationship makes life more meaningful – No shit Sherlock!â
Thank you, John Hoggett. I couldnât have said it better myself.
This article provides ample evidence of psychologistsâ extensive use of and dependence on intellectualized gobbledygook, or psychobabble, or, as I like to call it, intellectual masterbation. It demonstrates how the psychological field is as tedious and as meaningless as the psychiatric field.
What I find most objectionable (as well as amusingly asinine) is the extent to which this bumbling crowd of pseudo-intellectual, pseudo-compassionate, and emotionally-grifting âpsy-professionalsâ fail to see the irony in what theyâre doing, which is using other peopleâs âmeaning makingâ for their own personal money-making – and that, for me, makes the whole process of âpsychotherapyâ utterly meaninglessâand completely parasitic, (on the psychologistsâ part).
This article is a sad commentary on just how much people have been brainwashed into believing that they need to pay some idiot âprofessionalâ to find meaning in their lives – which for me, is EXACTLY what can make life seem hopelessly meaningless.
And FYI: Iâve found a heck of a lot of âmeaningâ in NOT depending on or pouring money into the pockets of some impossibly smug and incredibly stupid âpsy-professionalâ â
Steve says, âSometimes thatâs 90% of the problem – the client has had so many people telling them what to do, think, or feel that they have lost any sense of their own purpose and intentions in life. They do NOT need a therapist or psychiatrist or anyone else piling on more âshouldsâ and âshould notsâ to their already burgeoning heap of them.â
THATâS why I think âpsychotherapyâ is pure bullshit.
No one needs âa therapistâ whoâs paid to label and/or drug them. People need someone whoâll listen for free. There called FRIENDS.
Everyone needs a positive sense of self, and those who donât often end up in âtherapyâ. But a positive âsense of selfâ is something I never found âin therapyâ; in fact, it was the opposite, which is why I have so little faith in âpsychotherapyâ. The only thing I sensed âin therapyâ was the therapist getting their âsense of selfâ AT MY EXPENSE, and in more ways than one.
A world without a DSM.
A world without a âmental healthâ system.
A world without people telling others what THEY THINK âmental healthâ is supposed to be â
Thanks you, Boans, for the fascinating documentary link about Freudâs nephew Bernay.
You say, âThink of mental health as marketingâ. I totally agree. But Freud definitely got the ball rolling.
And what a pair: two bastards from the same family, both with a hankering for psychologically manipulating people and both in ways that profoundly altered the twentieth century and beyond. You canât make this stuff up.
And Iâm not too keen on anyone drawing any conclusions about other peopleâs behavior, unless I see or experience abuse of some kind, because anything else too easily gets judgmental which then becomes abusive.
And as for Freudâs âdreams theoryâ – what I meant to say was his ideas about the âunconsciousâ. But here again, Freud is given way too much credit, as I would bet dollars to donutâs thereâs been plenty of people either before or since that have come up their own ideas of an unconscious, and who furthermore havenât misused it, which is more than can be said for the ever-philandering, smug-assed Freud. And another thing Iâm sure of: good olâ siggy boy was undoubtedly unaware of his own rampant but âunconsciousâ misogyny â
And anotherone is right: any medical professional that has access can write a diagnosis in someoneâs medical chart and can write any diagnosis they want. And some do it maliciously. But psychiatric diagnosing on its own is a malicious act.
But the fact remains: the medical profession has always had more than its share of simon pure assholes â
And Iâm well aware that psychiatry doesnât believe âpersonality disordersâ are a âdiseaseâ. But I object to their calling any behavior or set of personality traits a âdisorderâ. People have characteristic ways of thinking and behaving, but so what? Terms like âpersonality disorderâ are uniquely damaging to people individually and to society at large. But they give mainstream psychiatrists and their devoted allies one heck of an ego boost. And itâs no secret that psychiatryâs allied professionals suck up to the psychiatrists, BIG TIME â
Psychiatric diagnoses should be made illegal because they can be used to unlawfully discriminate against people. They are a blatant misuse of language and medicine and are the most powerful discriminatory tools in modern society.
Psychiatric diagnoses, and âpersonality disordersâ in particular, need to be outlawed because theyâre used to discriminate against people.
And Freudâs inventing and publicizing unflattering diagnostic terms makes him the father of psychiatric discrimination. And modern psychiatry takes psychiatric discrimination to a whole new level with its DSM.
I never could figure out why people worshipped the guy (Freud). So what if he had a âdream theoryâ? If heâd ever bothered to open a Bible heâd have seen that its characters frequently had prophetic dreams. And so did some of Shakespeareâs characters. Dreams play an integral part in a lot fictional literature and are meant to represent a real and meaningful phenomenon. So Freud doesnât deserve much credit, even if he did put a âmedicalâ spin on things. But people keep defending the son of a bitch, when all he amounted to was a misogynistic old fool.
anotherone,
I donât like using words like ânarcissistâ or âpsychopathâ, etc. And I think a lot of people who habitually use the terms are stupid, lazy, sometimes even mean. The terms are too closely associated with psychiatry. But the behaviors are real, unfortunately. And things like psychosis, mania, or paranoia are also real. But like you, I try to call the behavior instead.
âSymptomsâ of a âpsychiatric diagnosesâ often mask psychological abuse. And saying people have an âillness,â covers up the abuse, which makes psychiatric labels abusive.
But sometimes not feeling well just indicates overwork, or overwhelm of some sort.
Thank you! I just looked up DARVO and thank goodness thereâs an acronym for abusive behavior. Itâs an acronym I actually like!
I think DARVO (deny, attack, reverse victim and offender) describes EXACTLY what happens when people are faced with mainstream psychiatrists and other mental health professionals because psychiatric diagnoses are cover ups for psychological abuse. And the âsymptomsâ arenât evidence of âillnessâ, theyâre evidence of ABUSE. But the worldâs been bamboozled by mainstream psychiatryâs use of medical-sounding words. And if the medical profession had any integrity, they wouldnât allow psychiatry to use use âdiagnosesâ. Better yet, if they had any real balls, theyâd kick psychiatry out of medicine!
And Iâm convinced that someday, the tide will turn, and mainstream psychiatrists and their colleagues will be seen for what they are, which are âenablers.â
I agree 100%. And Iâm totally onboard with not using any diagnostic concept because the DSM is totally invalid. And while I believe that narcissistic abuse is real and predictable, I donât think of narcissism as a diagnostic concept. Thereâs just some very abusive people out there. And the term âdiagnostic conceptâ is so so ridiculous. Itâs just another example of how mainstream psychiatrists misuse words to talk themselves and the public into believing their diagnostic bullshit.
And yes, âAll the cluster B diagnoses obscure and mystify the psych systemâs power to enable wide-scale shunning and shaming of scared, hurt people.â This is the WORST thing about psychiatry! Itâs discriminatory and subversive which makes it a crime. But the real âcrazinessâ is that the âmental health communityâ questions if certain people are human. Itâs totally disgusting.
And the âBâ in âCluster Bâ stands for BULLSHIT â
anotherone,
Iâm pretty sure I completely agree with you here, although Iâm not completely clear on what you said.
My take is this: I absolutely agree that people who complain about abusive people can be seen as the ones with a problem and be âdiagnosedâ, which is horrible. But this isnât anything new. A womanâs husband used to be able to call his wife âhystericalâ and have her committed, but now all you have to do is call someone âpersonality disorderedâ. And doctors donât question the term because itâs been sanctioned by the medical community.
I donât like using descriptive terms either, (narcissistic, psychopathic, sociopathic, manic, depressed, psychotic, etc.), although states, or conditions, do exist and can be profoundly âdisablingâ. The issue I have is psychiatry claiming theyâre derive biologically-based. And while I donât think anyone can deny that biology plays a role, (neurotransmitters, brain âcircuitsâ, etc,) these hypotheses donât prove the presence of any discrete biological illness.
And doctorsâ claiming people have a âmental illnessâ or âdisorderâ distracts everyone from addressing whatâs really going on in their lives. And of course, if the solution is believed to be in some pharmaceutical, it becomes a a great moneymaker. A very sick paradigm.
The entire concept of âpersonality disorderâ is a disgrace. The entire DSM is a disgrace. And Iâm surprised, but at this same time, not surprised that using such a fraudulent resource is permitted in this âscientificâ day and age. But Iâm hoping that someday in the not-to-distant future that somehow itâll be seen for what it is, which is a tool of discrimination, and be discredited and totally thrown out.
Youâre welcome, Joanna. Watching videos on narcissistic abuse can make a world of difference, with all kinds of relationships, current or past. Best of all, they help your relationship with yourself.
Correction:
Being labeled with Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD) is the new term for an old label, âhystericalâ, meaning that women who actually have the audacity to speak up for themselves are often seen as unacceptable by medical doctors, be they male or female.
Being labeled with Boderline Personality Disorder (BPD) is the new version of an old conceptâthat women who actually have the audacity to speak up for themselves are in some way seen as unacceptable by doctors, be they male or female.
And while egalitarianism is good in theory, putting it into practice is something else, especially in todayâs complex world.
And anyone who thinks they can change human nature has a hell of a lot to learn â
I think Dr. Shields and her colleagues need to read something I found when looking up people vs human:
âDifference between person and humanâ at differencebetween.info –
âThe term person refers to a being that consists of life and a soul, and has the capability of conscious thought, i.e. is a sentient being. A human, on the other hand, is described as part of the Homo sapiens sapiensâŠthe main difference between the two terms is that âhumanâ is the scientific term and person is a philosophical one used to describe a human beingâŠa human is a biological categorization of a beingâŠHowever, the term âpersonâ is much more complexâŠâ
To me, these definitions help clarify why no one should look to mainstream psychiatry for help with emotional, psychological, or spiritual concerns. And although people in extreme states can benefit from brief use of psychotropic drugs, it ought not to be looked at as a life sentence.
Check out âPower, Paternalism, and Psychiatry: Authoritarian versus libertarian psychiatry.â by Mark L. Ruffalo, M.S.W., D.Psa. at psychologytoday.com
Correction: âI think medical schools turn narcissistically-inclined people into sadists, depending on the brutality of the training, and how MEAN (not âkindâ) they were to begin with.â
Some people think medicine attracts people with psychopathic traits.
Steve says, âI think authoritarianism is the real enemyâŠâ
Steve is right. Authoritarianism is the real enemy. But I think authoritarianism happens a lot more in communism and socialism than in capitalism. But thatâs not to say capitalism doesnât have some serious problems. But no matter what system decides the allocation of resources, power and greed will always be there, even in socialism, which to me is not only authoritarian, but extremely sanctimonious.
And anotherone is right when saying, âI think medical training encourages some inhumane behaviorâ, and mentions a âmisguided or sadistic med studentâŠâ. Thereâs always plenty of those to go around.
I think medical school takes narcissistically-inclined people and turns some into semi-sadists, or maybe even full-blown sadists, depending on how brutal the training or how kind they were to begin with. But either way, this can be especially hard for women, who still have a tendency to be viewed as âhystericalâ by the medical community, even though theyâre no longer supposed to use that word.
Joanna,
You might start with something from âRelationship Recovery: Narcissistic Projection Explainedâ. I found it on YouTube. Just type emotionalabusecoach.com in the search bar. Hope it helps.
Birdsong
Steve says, âIt seems there is a built-in dehumanization process going on which canât be explained by individuals being âmisguidedâ nor altered by a bit of sensitivity training.â
This is what concerns me most about Dr. Shields. And Iâm uneasy as to just how deep Dr. Shields is willing to go, which has to be much more than having patients fill out a questionnaire. Otherwise, her efforts arenât much more than window-dressing.
Definitions for Paternalism:
– the system, principle, or practice of managing or governing individuals, businesses, nations, etc., in an outwardly benevolent, but often condescending and controlling way
– the policy or practice on the part of people in positions of authority of restricting the freedom and responsibilities of those subordinate to them in the subordinatesâ supposed best interest
Check this out: âPaternalism (Standard Encyclopedia of Philosophy) plato.stanford.edu./entries/paternalism
Joanna,
You mentioned being in a relationship with someone who took advantage of you. Iâm very sorry this happened to you.
It sounds to me like you experienced some serious narcissistic abuse, which can be devastating in many ways.
You might try watching some videos on narcissistic abuse. Iâve found many to be remarkably helpful.
Take care,
Birdsong
anotherone says, âIn general, I have found the biggest obstacle to trauma treatment are untrustworthy practitioners.â
Trauma is the elephant in the room. And itâs the unrecognized reason why most people end up in a psychiatric hospital, and NOT some arbitrary psychiatric diagnosis, the receiving of which often causes more trauma. And what does this mean? That mainstream psychiatry creates and perpetuates trauma, especially when experienced in a coercive setting.
Mainstream psychiatry doesnât treat trauma, it CREATES trauma, and PERPETUATES trauma, with its diagnoses and drugs, a simple but horrible fact that escapes most people, especially mainstream psychiatrists.
And stigma is the other elephant in the room. Mainstream psychiatry creates stigma with its labels. And if psychiatrists feel stigmatized for practicing psychiatry, then maybe thatâs a good thing, because maybe it means theyâre getting a taste of their own medicine, meaning maybe the public is letting them know theyâre becoming better informed about psychiatryâs diagnostic and pharmaceutical shenanigans and showing their disgust.
I looked up the definition for stigma and it means a mark of disgrace.
Is it a disgrace to suffer emotional pain?
NO. So the patientsâ stigma IS NOT deserved.
Is it a disgrace to attach damaging labels on people?
YES. So the psychiatristsâ stigma IS deserved.
Worth a glimpse: Gallery: âWhy Nixon Created the EPAâ,
Alexis C. Madrigal, from The Atlantic,
Worth another glimpse: âThe Nixon plan: The forgotten national catastrophic health insurance plan could still be a modelâ by Ed Dolan from salon.com
Mindfulness and meditation are great, and long as theyâre freely chosen and done for the right reasons. But the problem with these things nowadays is that people are unconsciously (or consciously) using them as way to distract others from whatâs really bothering them.
And hereâs their favorite song:
One agenda, two agenda, three agenda, FOUR!
Five agenda, six agenda, seven agenda, MORE!
And itâs not just the psychiatrists who have the upper hand â so do the psychologists and related psy professionals. Itâs a sick paradigm that creates even sicker relationship dynamics. And it remains in place because not enough people bother to question the profoundly unhealthy hierarchy that controls it.
And the pharmaceutical industry is just along for the ride â
And universities can terminate tenured faculty members by FALSELY claiming theyâre incompetent (for voicing unpopular opinions).
Thereâs people that are paid to find a way to bend the rules. Theyâre called lawyers. And I have nothing against ethical lawyers. So while a university administration may not have strong legal grounds to terminate a tenured professor, they have the financial resources to keep things in legal limbo for as long as it takes to get someone to resign, meaning legally fighting the situation could bankrupt the tenured professor.
Van Scnassin says, âTo a large degree, the U.S. is a socialist nation. Most of our economy is regulated, inspected by, and controlled through our government.â
Very true, and in many ways, this is all to the good. Take social security, enacted in 1935 by President Roosevelt, and the many other subsequent social and environmental programs enacted since then, like the Medicare and Medicaid act signed into law by President Lyndon B. Johnson in 1965, and National Environmental Program Act in 1970 which Richard Nixon helped create.
Private enterprise is not all bad, and centralized government is not all good.
A video worth watching: âThomas Sowell – – Basic Economicsâ, from the Hoover Institution
All of the injustices of psychiatry start with the fact that the psychiatrists have the upper hand, both in the âtherapeuticâ relationship and in society at large, a dehumanization put in place by those with the most power and for reasons that benefit those with the most power. Itâs where all the trouble starts and whatâs most wrong with psychiatry.
And it is disturbing that Dr. Shields seems to have an apologetic tone when criticizing her colleagues, since theyâre the ones who need to be held to account, and ESPECIALLY since they have more power than their patients. Professionals have the advantage, and patients are âlow man on the totem poleâ, and thatâs why I think the power imbalance is so destructive. Itâs totally unfair and makes me wonder whose side Dr. Shields is really on â
And universities can terminate tenured faculty by claiming theyâre incompetent (for speaking unpopular opinions) meaning their academic freedom has limits.
Steve says, ââŠI do see a need for a more blunt assessment as to why her (Dr. Shields) colleagues are not receptive to her observations.â
And, âThis (the medical culture) is ingrained, systematic behavior that is encouraged and enforced by those in charge of the system, and needs to be recognized as being intentional and enforced, such that any (such as her) who challenge the dominant narrative will be punishedâŠ.butâŠI see no reason not to point out this inconsistency, as long as we do it as respectfully as we can.â
Thank you for making these points.
Tenured or not, anyone confronting psychiatry has to walk a fine line, meaning one might be wise to think of the phrase, âSpeak Softly and Carry a Big Stick, You Will Go Farâ, medium.com/betterism/speak-softly-, and âcan a tenured faculty member be fired?â higheredprofessor.com
A video, â The Healing Power of Mindfulnessâ – Jon Kabat-Zin. Thereâs some funny but profound moments (1:44:40 – 1:49:00) when psychiatric resident in the audience tells Dr. Kabat-Zin about how her attending psychiatrists and faculty arenât open to anything like meditation. And Dr. Kabat-Zinâs response is pointedly funny, and the audience applauds and cracks up!
Steve,
I agree 100 % with your statement, âIt boggles the mind that anyone who has the vaguest comprehension of what people are suffering from and what they need would have to have a discussion, let alone an argument, about whether treating their patients âlike a human beingâ is a good idea!!!!â
Exactly. But this way of thinking happens because psychiatrists, like other doctors, are trained to think this way, as these are the prevailing theories (propaganda) currently taught in medical schools. But this is not right. And itâs the reason people needing help for issues of the spirit shouldnât be seeing a psychiatrist. And itâs a matter that should no longer be ignored.
Steve,
I agree with you 100%. It never made any sense to me to have people go to a medical doctor for matters of the heart and soul, and Iâve always thought that doing so is not merely inappropriate, itâs incredibly inhumane. And I agree that other types of doctors cause a lot of damage treating people as objects, and Iâve always felt this way. So I am in no way excusing callous behavior from anyone.
I am not unaware of, nor do I disagree with what you say about the systemic nature of these critically important issues, which are put in place and maintained by those in power. Not at all. I have sensed this for many years and am troubled by how insidiously corrosive and damaging it is.
I also find it VERY bizarre that while the world of physical health is making an effort to alter this attitude, our âmental health professionalsâ are arguing to continue it. I have for a long time been very upset about this state of affairs.
And the fact that Dr. Shields has sympathy towards psychiatrists and staff for feeling stigmatized is very troubling. I saw it as a huge red flag. And unless she holds alternative ideas to mainstream psychiatry, her efforts are hollow.
That being said, I think establishing a reasonably cooperative relationship is the way to proceed, but thatâs not to be confused with brown-nosing, which is why knowing and understanding the nuances of how to deal with people is so crucial in situations where people are on opposite sides of the fence. And there is a way to diplomatically offer radical ideas without unduly alienating people. But whether or not Dr. Shields holds radical ideas and is willing and able to implement them remains to be seen.
Dr. Shields says âI am afraid right now, thereâs not an awareness of the issue, the true issues, and that weâre still debating reality. Is reality, reality? Should we even treat psychiatric patients as people? Thatâs the debate that Iâve been hearing, and thatâs unfortunate. I would love for us to to get to the point where we agree these are humans, and the way weâve been operating our mental health care treatment system has been absolutely unacceptable.â
I was wracking my brain trying to figure out how seemingly intelligent, educated people could even think, much less ask, the question, âare psychiatric patients people?â, and I realized that context might have something to do with it. Meaning medically trained people are trained to look for physical ailments, and therefore often overlook the person in front of them. For instance, itâs not a big deal if an oncologist doesnât focus primarily on the individual; the issue at hand is cancer. So, if I think the doctor is an insensitive jerk, it doesnât matter as much if s/he isnât the most sensitive. But emotionally intimate and psychologically challenging problems are different.
And as offensive as it is, I think the question of whether or not âpsychiatric patients are peopleâ is the most important one raised in this article. (Of course, itâs not a revelation to those whoâve been harmed by the system. And the fact that this question is even being raised seems, at first glance, to be beyond outrageous.) But the point Iâm trying to make is this: all of the harms perpetrated by psychiatrists in the name of âmental healthâ are caused because they DONâT see mental patients as people, they only see pathology, or âdiseaseâ, like an oncologist sees cancer. But this doesnât excuse psychiatrists for not seeing patients as people. And the situation is even more troubling in psychiatry because in psychiatry the issues are related to emotional states and perceptions of reality, the very things which make us human.
There was a time not so long ago when peopleâs emotional reactions were seen and âtreatedâ as what they really are: situational, transitory, as natural responses to distressing circumstances or events, and not as chronic or âepisodicâ biological illnesses. But as soon as the DSM lll was published and Prozac came to market, everything changed, and for reasons that are not so obvious to most people, including psychiatrists.
Julia Lejeune describes Morgan Shields as âone of the few mental health policy researchers who focuses on quality of care and issues of coercion within inpatient psychiatry. Her research exposes how current healthcare settings are influenced by power imbalances, profit structures and organizational priorities that are fundamentally misaligned with the human needs of patients.â
Dr. Shields herself says, âI do not want to just reiterate that the current mainstream argument that we need more psychiatric beds, thatâs the loudest argument right now, I have a lot of issues with it.
But itâs most important that people really be clear-eyed and not forget that we do operate in a market-based system. If you want a provider organization to be incentivized to add more beds or open new psychiatric facilities, ask yourself what you think some of the unintended consequences might be.
For some reason, we view psychiatric care as if itâs a bunch of benevolent people. We seem to be able to be critical as a society of health care in general and then also other consumer goods like shoes and clothing and exploitation of the labor force and all that. But for some reason, with mental health care, it seems like if you even bring up this critique, itâs almost as though people get offended or itâs too much to process.
I would just ask people to have some appreciation for it being a complex issue and potentially that there are issues of profiteering and exploitation of patients.â
It sounds like Dr. Shields has the right ideas and framework to make positive changes.
And I commend her or anyone else who has the guts to take on the eight-hundred-pound gorilla that is inpatient-coercive psychiatry â
âI am wondering if she means only professionals or actually the society in generalâŠâ
Are you referring to me, Joanna? And which would you prefer?
The professionals or society in general?
At the present moment I have all I can handle responding to your comments, many of which sound as though youâre trying to diminish most of what I say.
Disagreement is fine. Disparagement is not. And offending people youâve been tasked to work with does not build bridges.
Joanna says, âDr. Shields seems to be really afraid of being labeled as âanti-psychiatristâ, and of getting into conflict with other people, including psychiatrists.â
She has every right and reason to be afraid, if she is, as having such fears is not unreasonable, because being labeled as such would have prevented her from being hired in the first place and could result in her losing her position, preventing her from helping anyone.
Confronting conflict and controversy in a field as impenetrable as psychiatry takes an enormous amount of tact and skillful maneuvering. And Iâm afraid if she does take on a full-frontal attack too soon, sheâll be decidedly outgunned â
Joanna says, âI am wondering what she actually thinks about psychiatric diagnoses, about psychiatric drugs, or forcible drugging or ECT. Unfortunately she talks at length and in great detail about things that are not really
important.â
I also wonder what she thinks of these things, but I donât think it at all unimportant to want to give psychiatric in-patients a voice. In fact, I happen to think itâs the most important thing.
I agree itâs imperative to publish research if it shows the negative impacts of neuroleptics, or of ECT on the brain, and on the links between traumatic experience and hearing voices, etc., and I think itâs outrageous if it hasnât been published already. But Iâm addressing the issue being addressed in this article, which by its title is, âBreaking Academiaâs Silence on Inpatient PsychiatryâŠâ And I donât need any researcher to tell me about the adverse effects of any psychiatric drug or any psychiatric procedure, because Iâve experienced some of the WORST effects myself which were life-altering and lasted FOR YEARS, and is the reason I have no respect for any them. But even before my own experience, I didnât need âresearchâ to convince me of anything, because I have ALWAYS believed the best âresearchâ is the testimony from anecdotal evidence â
Joanna says, âI think there is no reason to assume that we should be happy only because an academic has decided to do research on the experiences of patients in mental hospitals. Such research can be conducted from various perspectives, including perspectives which obfuscate the nature of the system and reinforce biopsychiatry instead of challenging it.â
Joanna, you are absolutely correct. However, it wasnât my intention that âwe should be happyâ about anything. All I meant to say is that Iâm guardedly optimistic. And while Dr. Shieldsâ speaking in general terms wasnât what I wanted to hear, a public interview may not be the wisest place for her to express her goals more specifically at this time.
And regarding the âpatient experience measurementâ. Yes, it might very well be just another Band-Aid on an open wound. But only time will tell.
Joanna says, âI donât think that researchers should adapt their approach to the expectations of the psych world. Why should psychiatrists be placated and be reassured?â
This isnât what Iâm saying. But I am saying you have to meet people where theyâre at. And diplomacy doesnât mean placating. But if you think this is what Dr. Shields is doing, you may be right.
Joanna says ââŠis Dr. Shields really taking on coercive psychiatry?â
I donât know. But I certainly hope so.
âIs she actually saying anything which might shock or anger psychiatrists?â
I donât know. But I do know that approaching people with guns a-blazing is an easy way to get terminated.
âBut it is impossible to take on oppressive systems if one is determined to be âniceâ and to avoid upsetting people who oppress othersâŠâ
I donât know that Dr. Shields is determined to be âniceâ. But I do I think sheâs determined to tread carefully in a environment which could easily backfire if sheâs not careful about upsetting others. But that doesnât mean not upsetting others. It means picking your battles. And she just got her foot in the door, which is no small feat. And everyone everywhere has to pick their battles to get anything done, or else risk being shown the door.
I have no respect for psychiatric academics or their research.
But at least Dr. Shields is looking at the situation.
And what else do you suggest when, âMost academics donât challenge the powers that beâ and âonly some academics are independent thinkersâ?
Itâs possible that Dr. Shields may not be in line with your concerns. But interviews have time constraints.
Iâm not overly optimistic at all. I think thereâs every chance sheâs not onboard with the things you mentioned. But I believe in giving people a chance, which is more than the psych industry does.
anotherone says, âAnyone who profits from the psych field needs to integrate the reality of the psychiatized into every tenant of their workâŠand sufficiently respond to the grave concernsâŠâ
I hope Dr. Shields is able and willing to to this.
The âprofessionalsâ lack insight more than anyone as they fail to see how they exploit peopleâs misfortunes. And this is true no matter how they try to justify it.
And without their bullshit rigamarole, most people find ways of getting better ON THEIR OWN –
And the reason this isnât âreportedâ is because most people donât participate in their stupid, biased, self-serving âstudiesâ –
I didnât enjoy the thought of having my angst pay for some asshole âprofessionalâsâ fancy vacation, inflated mortgage, or overpriced student loans. I think that showed a certain amount of âinsightâ â
Trishna is right. The absence of love is at the heart of a lot of psychic distress.
So what is love?
Bottom line: itâs when âThey (those who care about you)âŠ.hold a loving mirror towards us and help us to tolerate the reflection. Itâs pretty much the most beautiful thing in the universe.â
But, âWeâve opted to wash our hands of the issue and handed responsibility for the same to the professionalsâthe scientists, the psychiatrists, the pharmaceutical industryâas though they could possibly create a solution for the absence of love through their pills.â
The only thing Trishna didnât mention was psychotherapy. I donât think charging money for holding a mirror is very loving. And thereâs certainly NO love in handing out psychiatric diagnoses, which are the DISGUSTING manifestations of profoundly sick minds.
Thatâs the tragedy and injustice of it all. But at least now with the internet thereâs a greater chance for things to change.
And my understanding is that profound change starts quietly at bottom and slowly filters upward, kind of like a reverse âtrickle downâ. And the powers that be are always the last to find out, meaning theyâre usually caught by surprise with their pants down. And for some reason, I think itâs worth waiting for â
Google this and weep: âDonât let your child see a psychiatrist. Ever.â, and read what happened to Roberta. Itâs from âJon Rappoportâs Blogâ â
KateL says, âAs an employee, I was well aware that I was viewed as being eminently replaceable. I remember being told, âyouâre just a pair of hands,â and, âyou need to remember, youâre not a real person here.â
And neither are the students.
Totally hypocritical and totally disgusting. But THATâS what âwokenessâ amounts to: judgmental, hypocritical, hate-filled, and glorified self-pity.
This shows how morally bankrupt the eastern establishment can be. Itâs all about image, ego and competition, and success at any cost. Theyâre convinced of their moral superiority, but all it is is a twisted, secular version of the prosperity gospel.
Our feelings of worth as human beings wasnât a concern in the university-run experimental school, but they were in the religiously affiliated school; however, the religion classes werenât focused on a single belief system, they were focused on our responses to issues of personal and social morality, and our individual responses, however they differed, were always respected, which gave students a sense of being heard and respected, that led to feelings of self respect and belonging.
The forces of human nature amount to one thing, imo: selfishness, which includes greed and desire for power and control. I think most bad things spring from selfishness.
I was fortunate enough to attend a school in the eighth grade where the focus was on respecting the dignity of ourselves and others. It was a private school with a loose religious affiliation. It was a huge relief after being subjected to four years of an experimental school run by a university. And the only good thing about that was the students didnât receive grades, only parent-teacher conferences. But the downside was that it got too experimental and neglected to adequately teach basic math skills like long division, mixed fractions and percents. I was there for four years and was never taught these things, so I wasnât prepared to for the seventh grade. Most of the teachers in the experimental school were inexperienced graduate students more interested in testing their experiments, and werenât concerned with students feeling good about themselves and being respectful towards each other.
Our worth as human beings wasnât in focus as it was in the quasi-religious school. But Iâm not endorsing religion. I think itâs a matter of teaching respect, not imposing religious beliefs.
My experiences taught me that the most important thing is an environment of mutual respect, and not using complicated techniques for basic math concepts, and especially not abstract concepts young minds arenât ready for. And attempting to do so is nothing less than selfish.
Circling back to my eighth grade experience: a teacher took the time to tutor me, without being asked, as according to her I was three years behind in math. So all Iâve got to say now about the school system is thank goodness for the Kahn Academy â
In point number one Dr. Paska says, âAs Carl Jung noted, our suffering comes from the unseen and unfelt parts of our psyche.â
This was Freudâs hypothesis. And I think itâs the only reasonable thing he ever said.
But it has always been my sense that an existence of an unconscious and how it affects us has always been part of peopleâs consciousness, going back to antiquity, as I found this kind of awareness while reading myths of from ancient cultures, or biblical stories and proverbs from different faiths, and especially from reading some of literatureâs great classics. Indeed, the wisest characters would invariably make devastatingly perceptive comments regarding peopleâs motivations and suffering, with some of these coming from the youngest and simplest of characters.
And from this what do I extrapolate?
That the scientific paradigm is useless in matters of soul and psyche, as perception and wisdom are not scientific.
KateL says, âThe umbrella points in the new paradigm are great, but did society ever not know these things to be true?â
My distant memory tells me that this was more the way things used to be looked at before the DSM lll was published. But then everything changed. And itâs worth noting that before DSM lll, it was illegal to advertise pharmaceuticals to the general public through the television. It would seem the lobbyists did their job and then some.
Joanna,
Yes! The academics should be much more critical of psychiatry and the psychiatric system. But from what Iâve been able to surmise, thinking critically about anything , much less psychiatry, isnât exactly the most shining quality of academia these days. And maybe it never was. My impression is that things in that arena are very inflexible, as people whoâve gotten to any level of authority have egos and reputations to protect, and are therefore easily threatened by new ideas.
That being said, it was very reassuring to read the critically important points youâve made. And you do this in a remarkably clear and cogent way. And my impressions are that most people working in the psych-field arenât capable of sensing the nuances youâve so deftly mentioned.
Kate,
I realize thereâs nothing as painful as having a child who hates you. But time may soften his heart.
My heart goes out to you and your son –
Birdsong
Joanna,
I understand and absolutely agree with what you say about researchers focusing on the good intentions (?) and people not understanding the nature of the system. But I donât know of any other way to make progress. In fact, I donât expect the researchers or any other psych professionals to make meaningful changes for the very reasons youâve stated, as I think radical change can only happen from the outside because outsiders donât have a vested interest in the system. But in the meantime, I hope Dr. Shieldâs initiatives can help ease some of the burdens of those trapped in the system. And things are so dire right now that if Dr. Shields can accomplish fifty percent of her objectives, things will have come a long way. And I hope she can help make some wonderful things start to happen.
Joanna,
I totally agree with you, as Dr. Shields mild critique bothered me too, and her tippy-toeing around the âanti-psychiatryâ label was disconcerting. But I donât think the psych world is ready for a radical approach.
Kate,
Iâm so sorry about whatâs happened to you. What youâve described is criminal.
Have you tried integrated medicine? Or maybe acupuncture? Iâve heard good things about integrated medicine somewhere on MIA, but I canât remember where. Iâve found acupuncture very helpful.
Family damage can be even more painful. But try and remember that itâs NOT your fault. And I hope someday your son realizes what a worthwhile person you are.
Joanna,
Forgetting earlier academic research critical of psychiatry wasnât what I meant. I meant you have to start with people willing to address the situation.
And Iâm not surprised that the Ivy Leagues are the slowest to institute more humane mental health policies for students. But what does anyone expect from such lofty institutions soaked in snobbery and polished with greed? Where the most important thing to the school is the schoolâs reputation? It the cold-blooded Eastern Ethos in action, thatâs for sure. And it always seemed incongruous to me how these ârarified centers of learningâ can act so barbarically. But maybe itâs one of the ways they get away with charging such high tuition.
One lesson worth learning: college is big business, and big business doesnât care about YOU. And no college is worth killing yourself over. EVER.
Iâm glad this story is published in a widely-read newspaper, as more publicity will let college-bound students know the harsh realities of not only college life, but the realities of life in general.
If students need counseling, they should get itâpromptly, and the sessions need to be kept private. But I hope the increase in demand for counseling services doesnât lead to more people being drugged.
Please read this and cry: blog.nomorefakenews.com/dontletyourchildseeapsychiatrists.ever and scroll down to the story of âRobertaâ.
Itâs from Dr. Bregginâs book, âToxic Psychiatryâ
Stevie mentions âcapitalism on steroidsâ.
I would agree.
I think capitalism capitalizes on the worst in human nature. But the same happens in socialism and communism. You confront human nature wherever you go.
And Iâm sick of hearing about them. Dump all three and come up with something new. And dump psychiatry while youâre at it.
Iâm glad you tried to make a difference. But challenging school systems is often next to impossible. And individual schools tend to be very parochial.
Talking children out of their negative feelings is manipulative and controlling, which is passive aggressive, which makes it a subtle form bullying.
âItâs âThe Lord of the Fliesâ in reverse, or just call it âGroupthink Goes To Kindergartenâ, as it takes âsleep trainingâ for infants straight from the cradle and into the classroom â
Talking children out of their negative feelings is manipulative. But the little boy knew what he needed, which was to process his feelings, which was why he asked to go to the hallway. And he was begging to call his mom! And they have the nerve to call this âThe Nurtured Heartâ?
As I read this article I got the sense I was reading a pr piece. Very slick, especially with the staged photos.
Teaching performative virtue signaling teaches kids to alienate themselves from themselves.
Yes, thereâs a way to control kids without drugs. Itâs called psychological manipulation, which is a subtle form of bullying, which is exactly what theyâre doing.
Under the hood itâs more of the same, but this time around, theyâre actually teaching kids HOW to be the teacherâs pet –
Thereâs good and bad in capitalism. And psychiatry is its worst manifestation.
Thereâs good and bad in communism. And psychiatry is its worst manifestation.
Thereâs good and bad in socialism. And psychiatry is its worst manifestation.
anotherone says, âTo the unconsciously myopic: I think rigid thinking and unencumbered ego are mandatory to snag the requisite degreesâŠâ
Thank you! Itâs what Iâd sensed for a long time. And I didnât know there was a word for it: bulverism. And get this: I once saw a psychiatrist who said psychiatrists are trained to not believe what their patients tell them. I was shocked to hear this, but again, itâs what Iâd sensed. To use his words, âWhat you think happened didnât really happen, it was just your perception of what happened,â which horrifies me to this day. But I later learned Freud had a lot to do with this unholy way of thinking, which makes him the greatest gaslighter of all time.
And regarding bulverism: I donât think it matters what kind of psy degree someone has, as theyâre all doing the same thing, imo. So what does that make them? A bunch of âbulverisorsâ, straight from the school of bulverism.
And thank you for your words of welcome. Theyâre much appreciated.
Rebecca says, âIâm so tired of this behaviorism crap.â
That makes two of us. And itâs no coincidence that it reminds you of DBT, because behaviorism crap is pretty much all the all the psychology field amounts to. It just thinks up new names for manipulation and control.
Yes, I agree. But you have to start somewhere. And at least sheâs honest about what sheâs hearing. And I donât sense she shares this attitude. At least I hope she doesnât. And while it sickened me to read that her colleagues think this way, it didnât surprised me.
Joanna,
I get what you mean, but I still think Dr. Shields deserves a lot of respect. Life isnât perfect and neither is she. But I think sheâs doing a remarkable job with the cards sheâs been dealt, and I donât believe in waiting for the second coming of Christ.
I wonder if these educators realize that all theyâre teaching is how to be a people pleaser. That sitting in the âGreatness Chairâ is more important than feeling, naming, and understanding oneâs negative feelings. It sounds to me like they havenât honestly looked at their own feelings. Maybe they should create an activity where the kids get to draw or make masks of their âbadâ feelings, instead of manipulating them into thinking âeverything is okay!â. Theyâre teaching kids to gaslight themselves –
Nijinsky says, âSocial media is extremely predatory.â
So is psychiatry.
ââŠand even many therapists know how to create an âatmosphereâ, and con you into thinking itâs salvation.â
Thatâs pretty much all they know.
I never joined Facebook, nor have I ever visited it. But I sensed what was coming. So I knew I wouldnât be missing a thing.
First it was âThe Stepford Wivesâ, and now itâs âThe Stepford Childrenâ, meaning youâre only teaching them to be submissive, docile, and conforming.
Kids need a safe place to express their negative feelings, but somehow I donât think this is the place â
On the surface, this looks great, but overemphasizing positivity creates confusion and self-rejection for the child, especially when the only alternative is performative virtue to get pats on the head. Talking children out of their negative feelings is a subtle form of manipulation and control, and doesnât teach them to process their negative feelings.
Unless youâre willing to completely reject the automatic, ritualistic diagnosing and drugging of human behavior, youâre only perpetuating the very system of bias and punishment you claim to reject.
Steve says, âProving that people have issues doesnât prove they have medical problems, and CERTAINLY doesnât prove that drugs are the answer.â
And psychiatrists who refuse to acknowledge this are proving they have no integrity, which makes them grand mal narcissists, and theyâre being grand mal is the only thing medical about psychiatry
Steve says, âIt (the medicalization of the DSM) had to do with psychiatryâs bid for domination over less expensive and frankly more effective (though the bar is VERY low) therapeutic approaches that were threatening to take away their client base.â
This isnât medicine. Itâs GREED â
And I heard this happened after the allied psy-professionals were finally permitted to work without a psychiatristâs supervision, which caused psychiatrists to panic â
Joanna,
I read your all your comments regarding Dr. Shields, and I agree with all of them. That being said, I still consider her light years ahead of most the professionals in the field. And people enduring the grim realities of forced treatment need all the help they can get.
But if she reads your comments, I hope she takes them VERY seriously.
Children âact outâ or âmisbehaveâ because they lack the cognitive and verbal abilities to express their frustrations. Theyâre just being kids. But adults who engage children in age-inappropriate concepts are creating psychological power struggles, which makes the adults card-carrying pieces of shit.
So how do you teach children respect? By treating them with respect. And children instinctively know this and eventually respond in kind.
bart says, âNo it isnât (violent). Avoiding someone isnât threatening them with bodily harm.â
Shaming and shunning ARE violent. But that doesnât mean not avoiding abusive people, or that criminal behavior not be dealt with appropriately.
I recommend googling âdifferent types of violenceâ and tapping on the wellnessbeam.org link. It lists TEN types of violence. Or tap on âThe Practice of Shunning and Its Consequencesâ from sedaa.org. You just might learn something.
True religion is about caring for people, and capitalism is about making a profit.
And some of the worst people in the world are the most religious, and some of the kindest are capitalists –
Nijinsky says, âCapitalism WANTS you to see it as a disease.â
Yes. And we have psychiatry to thank for that, something that Steve explains at length in an earlier post in these comments.
Itâs a kind of sick synergy, what happened among psychiatrists, the drug and insurance companies, like a dirty âone hand washes the otherâ type of thing: what is good for psychiatrists is good for capitalism, and what was good for capitalism (drug companies) is good for psychiatrists.
bart,
As for comparing religions, you might like what I found when googling salvation from comparativereligion.com. Itâs pretty long, so I started with going to the conclusion first.
bart,
I googled âthe purpose of religionâ and found this from verywellmind.com: âWhat Is Religion? The Psychology of Why People Believeâ.
I thought you might find it interesting.
And I agree with your definition of unspotted, meaning I also think itâs important to not place material values over spiritual ones, although I donât think believing in a supernatural being is necessary to do this. But if believing in God helps someone, thatâs fine with me. So while Iâm not necessarily a believer in a particular god, I try to be a believer in good.
I forgot to answer your question as to what I would recommend.
I donât know that I know enough about anything to recommend anything other than what youâre doing already, which seems to be exploring or searching for ideas and answers that make sense to you.
But on second thought, I do recommend trying to have an open mind, because while this can make things more challenging, it also might help make your efforts more fruitful. But only you can be the judge of that.
Bart says, âUnspotted, to me, means to not buy into a notion that I can find peace and wholeness through acquiring things or achieving more than the next guy, or that my life consists of externals. My relationship with God is all that matters.â
I think your definition of âunspottedâ is a basic tenet of (all?) major religions.
I looked up a definition for religion and picked out this one from Britannica: human beingsâ relation to that which they regard as holy, sacred, absolute, spiritual, divine, or worthy of special reverence. It is also commonly regarded as consisting of the way people deal with ultimate concerns about their lives and their fate after death. In many traditions, this relation and these concerns are expressed in terms of oneâs relationship with or attitude toward gods or spirits; in more humanistic or naturalistic forms of religion, they are expressed in terms of oneâs relationship with or attitudes toward the broader human community or the natural worldâŠ
I think organized religions do a lot of good, but too often their message or purpose gets lost in dogma. I donât care if someone is religious or not, or whether or not they have a belief in a supernatural being. What matters to me are their attitudes toward and treatment of others, which I hope are grounded in respect, compassion, kindness, honesty and trustworthiness.
But this is where things get tricky, because the values of religion or spirituality run counter to the goals of capitalism. But some people believe capitalism is the most moral of economic systems because (according to them) its goal is to create wealth and prosperity for all and is completely voluntary, which is why itâs referred to as the free market economy.
Thank you for mentioning âpostpartum depressionâ. It brings into focus whatâs most wrong in this over-capitalized culture: little regard for mothers, infants and families. I think itâs inexcusable in a country as wealthy as ours. And I wonder what goes through the minds of people who make policy.
I think people need to carefully consider their values before deciding on any form of economic or political system. And of course the strain of unfavorable working conditions effects people and their families. Thatâs the saddest part.
But you havenât answered my second and third questions: are there any âuntrueâ or âimpureâ religions out there? And how are these different from âtrueâ and âpureâ religions? And as for âunspottedââgood grief! What does that even mean?
Thank you for taking on such a massive task. There needs to be as much attention as possible given to the grim realities of coercive psychiatry.
I was very sorry to read of your own personal struggles, but, as others have said, it is unfortunately the only way to have a true perspective on what itâs really like to be an âin-patientâ.
Itâs very reassuring to know that you seem well-acquainted with what youâre dealing with, i.e. psychiatry and psychiatrists, and itâs rigid, closed-minded, and territorial attitudes and practices. Thatâs why itâs imperative that you have no illusions as to how to navigate between psychiatrists and the hospital system and culture.
But my hopes for the success of your endeavors are guarded, as I have serious doubts as to just how much real progress is possible, psychiatry being as entrenched, intractable, and resistant to change as it is. But itâs brave people like you who make real change a possibility.
Thank you for your courage and commitment to such a neglected area of the healthcare system. I hope your efforts are the beginning of wonderful things to come.
bart,
Shaming and shunning are emotional abuse. And emotional abuse is not, in any way, ânon-violentâ. And it is never âdeservedâ. It is silenced violence.
bart says, âI donât believe that an economic system or medical practitioners in the field of psychiatry are the perpetrators of a conspiratorial assault on the masses, seeking by design to usurp authority and amass wealth, per se.â
Well it may not be the psychiatrists, per se, but I wouldnât put it past the drug companies. And some people actually believe we have a âmedical mafiaâ of sorts here in the USA, which I think is a reasonable comparison. And, btw, it helps to remember that only seeing literal definitions is quite limiting. But if the thought of conspiratorial thinking triggers you, may I suggest you at least try to consider the reality of subliminal indoctrination. And as for 5G, AI, and mental health matters, Iâm not seeing the correlation, unless youâre referring to economic exploitation â
Charlotte writes, âOutside the construct of âmental healthâ I feel far more at home in the world.â
My experience exactly.
The âconstruct of mental healthâ estranged me from myself. And leaving behind the âmedical modelâ allowed me to redefine me, because, like you, I âfelt the insights I hadâŠ.in many ways empowered me to do so; I had more faith in my own judgment and powers of observation and indeed, you might say that for a while they were the only things I trusted.â It was hard, but I finally let myself trust my gut and walk through it. Leaving the medical model also helped me to, as you say, âstop feeling less sane than everyone elseâ. And one day, after once again habitually dissecting, analyzing and criticizing my uncomfortable feelings, (due to psychotherapyâs twisted expectations), my sister said to me, out of my blue, âJust feel what youâre feeling, and donât feel bad about it.â Hearing this was like a bolt of lightning that revealed a whole new way of being for me!
And âEvery system contains the seeds of its own destruction, and few more transparently so than the medical model of distress.â
I believe this wholeheartedly and have joyful expectation that someday this will come to pass for the âmental healthâ system.
anotherone says, ââŠ.this article seems obfuscating. The premise is valid, but any nuanced debate on this can obscure the actual issues.â
I totally agree. The authors canât see the forest for the trees.
anotherone then says, âI just want to be safe, have a good life, be free.â
Thatâs all Iâve ever wanted, but psychiatry did a good job interfering with that.
anotherone then says, âI donât need to get into the weeds about the new terms for the same bsâŠ. I can still overlook myself to identify the social dysfunction profiteers. The MH system makes money from societal suffering. Iâd prefer solutions and less complicated explanations.â
I couldnât agree more. And hereâs my âidentifier flagsâ: Iâm moderately conservative and totally straight. But I keep having to ask myself one baffling question:
Why are so many MH âexpertsâ so jealously (and unconsciously) myopic?
Richard asks, âWithout referring to human genetics, please explain to me what is inherently wrong with the theoretical model of a socialist society?â
How about the fact that a theoretical model isnât reality, and that repeated attempts have repeatedly failed? I think that explains a lot.
Definition for Intellectual Arrogance, according to Conservapedia: a set of characteristics that tends to blind an otherwise intelligent person from recognizing the truth. These include:
1. A lack of logical rigor, resorting instead to preconceived notions or what one thinks he learned in school
2. A double standard to avoid admitting personal error, particularly an intellectual mistake
3. A lack of humility like Issac Newtonâs declaration that he understood very little
4. Assuming one is always correct without having sufficiently studied an opposing position
5. Refusing to address anotherâs position, arrogantly assuming their argument is âbeneath themâ; a failure to even listen to opposing views
6. Thinking youâre an expert in every field
7. Asserting a dubious argument is obviously true or follows from logic, rather than proving or providing evidence from it
Intellectual arrogance leads to mistaken conclusions, which is the ever-unfolding story of psychiatry â
Van Scnassin says, âTrue religion, when embraced in word and deed, is the best remedy known to mankind to limit the evils perpetrated by the power hungry who can and will destroy every economy in time.â
Really? And how would you define a âtrue religionâ? And, bye the bye, could there possibly be any âuntrue religionsâ out there? And how would you know the difference?
Somehow , I find âembracingâ oxymorons a waste of time.
Charlotte, thank you for mentioning satire. I think itâs the most best way to preserve or reclaim oneâs sanity. And I think itâs the most effective tool of subversion there is.
Charlotte says, âModern psychiatry has turned suffering into a health problem. It gives disease-sounding names to distressing feelings and behaviorsâŠ.to legitimize the idea that they are illnessesâŠâ
âThe medical modelâs end goal for the sufferer (the âpatientâ, in psychiatric terms) is âmental healthâ, a standard which is presented as a natural order of being, but is in fact a normative conceptâŠâ
ââŠ.it (the medical model) was an unproven theory, driven largely by profit motive. The system I had trusted in as the one and only way to receive help, was in fact a scientifically corrupt, ethically problematic construct, that had convinced me and countless others that our suffering was an illness – an illness which didnât actually exist.â
âThe foundation of the medical model is stigmatization: classifying certain behaviors as normal, and deviations from them as abnormalâŠ.The notion of âde-stigmatizing mental illnessâ, which is bandied about in psychiatric circles, is laughably incoherent. It is not logically possible to âdestigmatizeâ a status which is born out of stigmatization.â
Charlotte, thank you for mentioning the âpsychiatric gazeâ. I didnât know there was a term for the creepy feeling of objectification I always felt in the âpsychotherapeutic relationshipâ.
Thank you for mentioning the power imbalance; I think itâs the worst thing about the âtherapeutic relationshipâ.
And thank you for mentioning the âPower Threat Meaning Frameworkâ and the âefforts of the United Nations Special Rapporteur to challenge the medicalization of distressâ. It lets me know there are some ethical people in positions of influence.
Charlotte, you speak the truth beautifully and with crystal clarity; it was an absolute pleasure reading your blog.
Whatâs capitalismâs biggest drawback?
It can take unfair advantage of vulnerable people, and people are miserable when theyâre taken advantage of. But for some reason, this obvious fact eludes most âmental healthâ workers â
Steve says, ââŠpeople in any economic/political system will to a significant extent be tempted toward greed and the desire for personal power. This is what has happened throughout human history.â
âMan is the only creature who refuses to be what he isâ – Albert Camus
I would say, âMan is the only creature who refuses TO SEE what he isâ –
Check out realism vs idealism @differencebetween.net
I wish I found it funny, but to me itâs mostly irritating. Reading it reminds me of the saying, âThe operation was successful, but the patient diedâ. And this happens a lot (in more ways than one) in psychiatry.
The authors need to ask themselves what their definition of âmental illnessâ is and where they found it. Better yet, they should ask themselves why they consider feeling understandably miserable a âmental illnessâ, and then ask themselves howâd theyâd feel if capitalism didnât reward THEM â
Steve says, âI am not sure his (Karl Marx) solution is workable based on the fundamentals of human nature.â
ââŠ.the problem isnât which form of government or economic system we endorse, the problem is that we allow the exploitation of other human beings.â
ââŠ.psychiatry doesnât really care who is in control, they simply want power.â
Thank you for saying these things.
I think itâs important to balance ideals will reality, meaning no matter how noble the intentions, the ugliness of human nature will inevitably rear its ugly head. There is no ultimate utopia.
Whatâs one of the potential drawbacks of a capitalist system? Unchecked greed.
Whatâs one of the potential drawbacks of a communist or a socialist system?
Unchecked power.
What are the main drawbacks of a mental health âsystemâ?
Unchecked power and unchecked greed.
Whatâs at play throughout human history? The egoistic âNeed for Powerâ.
Hereâs a thought-provoking article: âWhy Intellectuals Are So Upset By the âInjusticesâ of the Market Economyâ, by Rainer Zitelmann, published in Forbes Magazine
And both psychology, (with its various forms of idiot âtherapiesâ), and psychiatry (and its dumbbell selection of âdiagnosesâ and so-called âmedicationsâ) have thrived â be it communism, capitalism, or socialism.
Political systems have to remain flexible, or else things devolve into a bitter and restless vying for power. And since when is that good for anyoneâs well-being?
Steve says, ââŠ.Whatâs the difference between Capitalism and Communism? In Communism, Man exploits Man. While in Capitalism, itâs the other way around!â
Thank you for mentioning exploitation. I think thatâs eventually what happens, no matter what political system is in place. Thatâs why I think it best not to wait for whatever government comes around to make a meaningful difference in oneâs mental wellbeing. But that doesnât mean not looking for ways to make things better and fairer. It has to be a flexible, ever-evolving process.
And no one needs to read a long, complicated, erudite article to know that the dog-eat-dog world we live in is unfair and makes life difficult, even miserable for many people. But how to help make things better right here and now? Spreading awareness about the inconsistencies of psychotherapy and outright lies of psychiatry, because neither these things are any less harmful no matter what political system is adopted.
And what does it mean to practice âgood medicineâ? It means having a current and extensive knowledge of side and withdrawal effects and how to deal with them, and a deep respect for and abiding adherence to providing informed consent to each and every patient. I think most m.d.âs make a good effort to do this. But not most psychiatrists, which explains the burgeoning cascade of iatrogenic illness that sure enough is becoming the new reality for too many people. So what does that say about psychiatry???
Stuart Shipko says, âIf psychiatrists were educated about side effects and withdrawal effects, and gave patients informed consent, then most people would say âno thank youâ.
Unfortunately, this isnât reality. Most psychiatrists have little knowledge or interest in side effects, and even less knowledge or interest in withdrawal effects. And whatever psychiatrists know about informed consent means nothing to them because side/withdrawal effects arenât realities THEY have to deal with. Denial is the name of the game in psychiatry, so how can anyone trust psychiatrists, most of whom have neither brains nor scruples?
All they do is make more misery out of the iatrogenic mess theyâve already created (which they call âpsychiatryâ) with more evermore âdiagnosesâ, evermore âtreatmentsâ, and evermore âdrugsâ.
Why is there a âtreatment-prevalence paradoxâ?
Because thereâs so many stupid âresearchersâ who think up stupid terms like âTPPâ in the first place â yet STILL recommend something as stupid as âpsychotherapyâ.
They obviously havenât heard the phrase, âstupid is as stupid doesâ, or, to use a more âscientificallyâ acceptable term, âreflective functioningâ.
Steve says, âThey (psychiatry) canât even âsucceedâ in their own paradigm, let alone address the fact that the entire paradigm is based on a fantasy âmodelâ with no connection to physical realityâ.
Thatâs what mainstream psychiatry is â a book load of medical fantasies.
Itâs good to know a lot of people have questioned the value of so many diagnoses. But of course it never gets very far, as mainstream psychiatry wonât hear of it, as itâs even less rational and has even less integrity than the psychology field. And Big Pharma rules the day.
And what does it usually mean when people use the word âglobalâ?
It usually means they canât see whatâs right in front of them.
Hereâs a question: has the psychotherapy-psychology field ever questioned the value of having so many psych diagnoses? Or any diagnoses at all? And if they havenât, why is that? Who truly benefits from so much diagnostic overload?
And as for their âglobalâ this and âglobalâ that â whenâs the last time they actually bothered cleaning up their own backyard?
Magdalene asks, âTransactional human relationships that consist of paying for âtherapyâ where our human emotions and distress are still, by and large, seen as being âtreatedâ – by a âtherapistâ who is a regulated licensed âprofessionalâ paid for their âemotional labourâ – might seem to some, to be the very epitome of neoliberal culture?â
It lookâs that way to me. But at least the âtherapeutically trainedâ Ugly Americans have smiles on their faces.
People in other countries have their own cultures, and donât need outsiders profiting from their pain, some of which is caused by the very same outsiders, many of whom unconsciously live by the motto, âYOUR pain is MY gainâ â in more ways than one â
And on the subject of potsâŠ.a historical reference worth noting is this: sometime in the first half of the last century, politicians promoting prosperity touted âa chicken in every potâ. But nowadays, itâs a psych diagnosis and psych drug for everything and everyone â all thanks to âtherapy cultureâ.
Some would say the worldâs come a long way, but I beg to differ.
Thank you, Ms. DâSilva, for so eloquently articulating how clueless the psychotherapy-psychology field is on so many levels. Itâs another case of âconceptual in-competenceâ, thatâs for sureâŠ.yet they pride themselves on thinking they know what theyâre doing. Itâs one of âthe storiesâ (call them fairy tales) they keep telling themselves.
But itâs the pot calling the kettle black, once again.
Magdalene DâSilva asks, âWhat type of culture or society, encourages citizens to pay therapists for formally booked and regulated appointments where human conversations are regarded as a medical âtreatmentâ (perhaps for insurance claims purposes) in order to experience themselves as a ââŠrelational and open being over timeâ?â
THATâS the question Iâve been asking myself since I was a kid. And it makes no more sense now than it did then. But my answer hasnât changed: We live in a SICK CULTURE when we think we need to farm out our psychological health to a âprofessionalâ that demands payment.
Magdalene then asks, âIsnât this âtherapy cultureâ an inherently neoliberal capitalist practice, itself?â
Thatâs what itâs always looked like to me! Have someone pick at your wounds while they pick at your wallet, because most therapists have made emotions âa sicknessâ for themselves, as most are, in reality, greedy at heart.
Magdalene then states, âThis ââŠdifferent kind of selfâŠâ(?) whatever this means, seems to be an âexperienceâ conditional upon oneâs ability to afford ongoing transactional payments of a therapistâs fees.â
Disgusting, isnât it? But it makes perfect sense to many a âtherapistâ â
Magdalene finishes by asking, â*how do MIA readers know, whether your psychotherapy-psychological field, which arose largely during (and perhaps in support of) the rise of capitalism – is not itself in some way responsible for ushering in and sustaining the very âneoliberal cultureâ you claim now threatens it?â
If MIA readers donât know this already, maybe they do now. But I doubt most therapists are able to grasp what Ms. DâSilva is talking about, as sheâs the exception âone of those rare therapists who actually uses her head.
Most âmental health professionalsâ are working FOR an authoritarian system, but donât even know it. They are âthe blind leading the blindâ. And how can you tell if they know this or not? Just tell them the truth and see how they react: if they get angry, condescending or accusatory, youâll know what your dealing with.
Maybe someday the âpsychiatricâ neuroscientists of the world will realize a lot more can be learned about human consciousness from staring at Rorschach ink blots, or gazing at the stars, or watching the clouds go by, or just looking through their kidsâ kaleidoscope! Which reminds me of some song lyrics I heard, once upon a time, âthe more you learn, the less you knowâŠâ
An interesting article in The New York Times is, âWhy Authoritarians Attack the Artsâ. The closing paragraph is a wake up call, but not just for artists, but for anyone seeking âhelpâ from the âmental healthâ industry.
Someone Else says, âa picture speaks a thousand wordsâ, so visual artists do have a powerful form of communicationâŠ.And not long ago my âtoo truthfulâ portfolio turned a psychologist into a God complexed, attempted theif. Since a lot of pictures did tell an entirely âtoo truthfulâ story, for him.â
Artists express unspoken truths that others cannot see or are afraid to say by exposing the lies weâre told. And visual artists do this in ways words cannot.
âLearn to live, and let live, omni-potent moral busy bodiesâŠNot everything is about âinternalizing the dominant capitalist narrative of productivity above all elseâ. Some of us artists are about quality over crap.â
Thank you, Someone Else. That about sums up what Iâd like to say to any omnipotent moral busybody out there, but especially those known as âmental health professionalsâ, most of whom canât distinguish quality from crap, which is why theyâre in love with âpsychologyâ. They have no idea theyâre working in an authoritarian system.
Thank you, A.T. Kingsmith, for your excellent blog.
Itâs disturbing how insidiously the DSM has come to influence both our collective culture and personal values.
And the question âWhy has it become ânormalâ that so many people today are anxious?â is worth asking, but I think it can be answered in three letters:
DSM.
Psychiatry let it become a tool to service political and economic interests, rather than peopleâs âmental healthâ.
And âThe Big Book of Sickâ keeps doing its dirty work. Itâs psychiatryâs worst legacy.
KateL,
I highly recommend the podcast âThe Scientific Emptiness of Psychiatryâ with Dr. David Cohen. The ending might blow you away. Also worth the time is reading the blog âThe Problem of High Functioning Anxietyâ. Each offers its own birdâs eye view of the mental health system, and are critical thinking at its best.
KateL,
I donât think you have âBPDâ or any other âpsychiatric diagnosisâ. I donât think anyone does. People have struggles, but struggles donât mean illness. You just went through hell that the âmental health systemâ denied, dismissed and continued with its own brand of hell.
The âmental health systemâ is whatâs âsickâ, NOT YOU –
And as for its beloved âpower imbalanceâ â thatâs bullshit on top of bullshit â
So what does that make the âmental health systemâ?
A messy mass of implicit assumptions –
KateL says, âThe failure to account for the power imbalance, plus a a long list of implicit assumptions that the âfindingsâ of the study depend on makes the results meaningless.â
BINGO!!!
I wholeheartedly agree with everything you say here. And âimplicit assumptionsâ are the magic words.
I particularly appreciate these two insightful and compassionate questions: âHow many had suffered abuse as children?â, followed by, âWas the thing that the study authors deemed âimpaired reflective functioningâ actually a form of hypervigilance resulting from early trauma?â
So â whatâs the first and worst âimplicit assumptionâ of all? That âBPDâ, or any other âpersonality disorderâ is a âdisorderâ or âillnessâ.
SO. NOT. TRUE.
And that goes for the rest of âmental illnessâ.
Your keen observations and the questions you raise highlight whatâs wrong with the âmental healthâ systemâboth broadly and at its core, as you have the critical thinking and empathy most âmental health professionalsâ so grossly lack.
And itâs questions like yours that make me implicitly assume the gross stupidity of the entire âmental healthâ system.
How do neuroscientists know theyâve erased traumatic memories in mice? Do the mice actually tell them? And how did the mice get traumatized? Waitâlet me take a wild guessâthe mice sensed they were trapped and going to be tortured, or, to use more neuropsychiatrically polite lingo, used as âexperimental subjectsâ for âresearchâ. And if neuroscientists think what theyâre doing is so fine and dandy, ask âem to use each other instead. I doubt any of them would volunteer to be their next lab rat.
I hope someday there will be lots people who understand how disempowering the dynamics of âtherapyâ can be, how infantilizing the âpower imbalanceâ in âtherapyâ actually is.
And hereâs another formal definition for MIND FUCK: âa disturbing or extremely confusing experience, in particular one that is caused by deliberate psychological manipulationâ.
Reading this brings back a lot of memories for me.
I also believe that unrelenting or repeated emotional and psychological stress/trauma is what causes most âmental illnessâ, even such devastating conditions like âBipolarâ, (be it 1 or 2), or âschizophreniaâ. So how come some people develop these problems while others donât? Because people experience and process things differently, which doesnât mean âillnessâ.
And âpsychiatric neuroscienceâ has yet to prove otherwise. But some people like building roads to nowhere.
I think labeling people with psychiatric diagnoses is morally judgmental and unconsciously sadistic, because itâs done with the belief that thereâs something âwrongâ with the person that needs to be âfixedâ.
And with bullshit like DSM paired with something as potentially abusive as DBT, how much worse can things get for people?
In any case, I think a lot of âprofessionalsâ get a kick out of diagnosing. But stuff like DBT takes cruelty to a whole new level.
Wanna know the way I learned to shut up the psychiatrists and therapists I knew? By politely asking them to deal with me as a human being. And it worked every time, but it didnât do much else. I think that says a lot about the âmental health industryâ.
Labeling people with psychiatric diagnoses is morally judgmental and unconsciously sadistic. Why? Because theyâre created the idea that something is âwrongâ with the person that needs to be âfixedâ.
In any case, a lot of âprofessionalsâ get an unconscious kick out of diagnosing. But stuff like DBT â now THAT takes cruelty to a whole new level.
Peter,
Thank you for mentioning acupuncture. I found it does an amazing job calming down my nervous system.
Itâs my belief that early or unrelenting emotional and psychological stress can get encoded in parts of the brain, but that doesnât indicate biological cause or discrete âillnessâ. And I think non-invasive things like acupuncture helps unlock and rewire things. At the very least, acupuncture relieves physical tension, and even physical pain, which often eases psychic tension, which can lead to more positive outlooks.
Itâs too bad Americaâs gotten so goddamn neuro-fixated and drug-happy.
Whatâs another word for psychiatryâs âseductive prowessâ?
MIND FUCK.
Hereâs my favorite definition for âmind fuckâ, courtesy Urban Dictionary: âThe process of raping someoneâs intelligence and/or beliefs with lies and manipulation. The only defense is instinct and intuition; otherwise known as the TRUTH.
When I was a kid I asked my parents why people use illegal drugs. They said it was because they couldnât face reality.
It seems most neuroscientists arenât much different.
Inventing elaborate diagnostic labels and getting immersed in complicated neurological âstudiesâ is a way for people to distance themselves from dealing with painful psychological and social realities, and provides a way to insulate themselves from feeling any responsibility for what causes them.
So what is psychiatric neuroscience? Intellectual junk food.
Labeling people with psychiatric diagnoses is morally judgmental and unconsciously sadistic. Why? Because theyâre created with the idea that something is âwrongâ with the person that needs to be âfixedâ. In any case, âprofessionalsâ get an unconscious kick out of doing it (âdiagnosingâ). But stuff like âDBTâ â now THAT takes their cruelty to a whole new level.
Wanna know the best way to shut up a mainstream psychiatrist or therapist? Ask them to deal with you as a human being. Works every time.
Sam says, âI have seen sadistic tendencies in many professions that like to control their environments and other people.â
âSadistic tendenciesâ best describes most of the therapists I had experience with. Even worse was the awful feeling I was supplying the therapist their weekly fix of schadenfreude. It was beyond humiliating.
Boans,
I think most mental health professionals are unwitting participants, so theyâre happy to eat up the bullshit psychiatry dishes out, or else are too intimidated to speak out. Too few have critical eyes, and even fewer have courage.
Altostrata says, âUltimately, (not âunfortunatelyâ, my bad) it (âconceptual competenceâ) is irrelevant to patient care, and patients remain endangered by its silence on the underlying rotten paradigm leading to the gross deficiencies in clinical training.â
Psychiatry needs to wake up and smell the coffee. Philosophy is the pursuit of truth, and thereâs no truth in psychiatry.
How is there no truth to psychiatry?
Because itâs diagnoses arenât real and its drugs arenât medications. Itâs legalized drug pushing masquerading as medicine, and no amount of armchair philosophizing can change that.
Psychiatry has no place in medicine. Itâs nothing more than biological mind control.
And as for âreificationâ of âpsychiatric constructsâ. THATâS a real beaut, a great example of intellectual masterbation.
Reification: âis a fallacy of ambiguity, when an abstraction is treated as if it were a concrete, real event or physical entityâ.
How do you like that? Psychiatry actually gaslights itself!
Time to give it up, psychiatry. The worldâs not gonna fall for your DSM bullshit forever. And hereâs another fun fact: psychiatry itself is a âpsychiatric constructâ, or âfallacy of ambiguityâ. Imagine that!
And when psychiatry gets bored with âreificationâ, it can always try its hand at âdeificationâ. And who knows? They just might find thereâs little difference between the two in psychiatry.
Altostrata says, âUltimately, (not âunfortunatelyâ, my bad) it (âconceptual competenceâ) is irrelevant to patient care, and patients remain endangered by its silence on the underlying rotten paradigm leading to the gross deficiencies in clinical training.â
Wake up and smell the coffee, Aftab! Philosophy is the pursuit of truth, but thereâs no truth in psychiatry.
Altostrata says, âThe specialty (psychiatry) is dangerously ignorant of the powerful psychotropics it wields with such abandon. Unfortunately, no amount of âconceptual competenceâ addresses this.â
BINGO!!!
Mouthing phrases like âconceptual competenceâ is psychiatryâs way of distancing itself from its countless moral crimes of bias and discrimination. Itâs a feeble attempt to save face, but hiding behind intellectualism will do little to alter its inherent depravity.
Psychiatryâs âconceptual competenceâ means serving people tea before sending them to the guillotine.
Altostrata says, ââŠin general psychiatrists, who almost always do nothing but prescribe drugs, are very weak in understanding the basic pharmacology, interactions, and adverse effects of the drugs they give the public every minute of every dayâŠ.No matter how philosophically sophisticated the psychiatrist, this practical barrier to providing responsible patient care cannot be overcome. The specialty is dangerously ignorant of the powerful psychotropics it wields with such abandon. Unfortunately, it is irrelevant to patient care, and patients remain endangered by its silence on the underlying rotten paradigm leading the gross deficiencies in clinical training.â
This is reality. And Aftab wants to sit around the campfire and smoke a peace pipe while the forest is burning.
Just what the world needs. Philosophical drug pushers.
The world needs wisdom, but not from inexperienced, wet-behind-the-ears philosophical thumb-twiddlers.
Aftab hasnât lived anywhere near long enough to know what heâs talking about. He has yet to discover the difference between fantasy and reality. But people who like spending their time in ivory towers rarely do.
And he mentions, of all things, humilityâand heâs a psychiatrist – which is the exact opposite of humility! Talk about ironyâŠ.but when I think about it, psychiatry and philosophy actually do have something in common: both are wordy and pretentious.
He seems happy enough to paint the house, though. Too bad he doesnât know itâs condemned. But how could he when he spends so much time playing in his philosophical playground?
But heâs such an eager beaver, trying to change psychiatry! Which reminds meâŠ.what thatâs saying about about putting lipstick on a pig?
I think the body and brain’s ability to regenerate has a lot to do with the will to live, which psychiatric âtreatmentâ too often robs from people.
Youâre right. It is scarily similar to going up against a âmental health professionalâ, whose omnipotence/licensure grants them powers to assault peopleâs character with labels, or worse, condemn them to confinement, with little to no access to adequate recourse and redress. Itâs a grievous violation of basic human rights. And they do it with impunity. Theyâre utterly disgusting.
And yes, the ending is about the same as questioning a âmental health professionalâ. But the difference, I think, is that God knows what Heâs doing, (which doesnât make it better), whereas most psychiatrists and therapists, I think, are totally unaware of their cruelty and stupidity, because their egos have gotten so big itâs blinded them to their true motivations and character. And they enjoy playing God, walking all over peopleâs basic rights, turning patients into flies, so to speak, or lying about the validity of their âdiagnosesâ, or efficacy and safety of their âmedicationsâ, which they feel their âeducationâ entitles them to do. But most stomach turning of all are a psychiatristâs or therapistâs justifications, skillfully executed with award-winningly seductive prowess. Itâs truly a sight to behold.
But in the end, itâs just like God, because itâs all about having and wielding power, however they please.
KateL said, âIf therapists themselves were able to put themselves in the patientâs shoes, they would quickly learn how humiliating and hope-destroying it feels to be labeled, studied and âmanagedâ by people who are PAID (not âtrainedâ, my bad) to help.â
I do apologize, KateL.
I think the fact they people are paid for this abuse and call it âworkâ is grotesque.
Experiences engage the brain, like exercise engages the body, creating new neural pathways, etc. But weâre not all brain, thank goodness. We have feelings and perceptions (hearts and souls) that respond to experiences that affect how we live.
The way psychiatryâs famous proponents castigate non-believers reminds me of how some religious leaders regard non-believers. In other words, psychiatryâs believers tend to get angry, insulting, condescending and dismissive towards non-believers, especially when asked for biological proof to back up their claims. Itâs a lot like a religious debate on the existence of God.
What can be almost as bad as having âanxiety and depressionâ? People thinking you might have âanxiety and depressionâ. Which might do what? Bring on âanxiety and depressionâ.
This is very unwise, as children often live up to the expectations of adults, whether good or bad.
âBiology is likely deeply involved in mental health problemsâ.
I think peopleâs biology can affect their mental state, (and vice versa), but not to the extent most psychiatrists would have us think. But I also think a belief in psychiatry as it is today is a form of psychosis.
Steve says, âWe are taught to ignore our own instincts and just do as weâre told.â
No therapist ever told me to trust my own instincts, which I now realize was all I needed to hear.
Deep down I sensed that âtherapyâ wasnât for me. It just felt wrong. And I now know I wasnât âdepressedâ, and I didnât have an âanxiety disorderâ â I was grief stricken and anxious from feeling the grief.
So what made me âgo to therapyâ? Buying into societyâs notion that uncomfortable feelings are âabnormalâ. And what makes me think I didnât need therapy? The fact that âtherapyâ made me feel worse, and the fact that stopping it made me feel better.
And I always had the nagging feeling that therapists often donât tell clients to trust their own instincts because they know deep down they may lose clients. Which is why deep down I never had any real respect for any of them I had contact with.
KateL,
The thing I canât understand is why some people who are upset are said to âlack empathyâ. I think people get upset because they havenât been heard properly. And I think the therapists who canât do this âlack empathyâ, which is absurd, because youâd think a therapist would be reflective enough to not think like that. Itâs disturbing and cruel.
I think the whole damn mental health system needs to learn some âmentalizationâ and âreflective functioningâ.
And I donât think you lack empathy or reflective thought, AT ALL, KateL
Whatâs the best therapy for therapists?
CBT? DBT? Psychodynamic?
Well, itâs probably not CBTâŠ
Really? How so?
Because most therapists are too narcissistic.
Narcissistic?
You know, grandiose –
Thatâs trueâŠbut what about DBT?
Nope. Most are too controlling and talkative to sit through that –
Okay, well I guess that leaves psychodynamic psychotherapy, right?
Psychodynamic has a shot, but I wouldnât count on it. Most of the time even that doesnât crack their lids.
Why?
Because theyâre too locked in denial –
But they lead you to believe they have a lot of introspective ability!
But thatâs their biggest delusion, which is why many of them became therapists.
Thanks KateL.
I looked up âmentalizationâ and âreflective functioningâ and found these:
Mentalization: âthe ability to understand your own and others behavior on the basis of mental states, and âthe ability to understand the mental state of oneself or others â that underlies overt behaviorâŠsometimes described as âunderstanding misunderstandingsââŠmentalizationâŠis weakened by intense emotionâ.
Reflective Functioning: âan ability to step back from a behavior, think about its impact and meaning, imagine what might be going on in the mind of another person and see it as distinct from oneâs own mindâ.
Interesting definitions, but I wouldnât throw away emotion so handily, as emotions can be our best guideâŠ.when kept under controlâŠ.and as I recall, this didnât happen a lot âin therapyâ, thanks to the therapist, who usually tossed aside my honest thoughts and feelingsâŠ.which makes me think about âunderstanding misunderstandingsââbut give me a breakâ thatâs a bridge too far for most therapists, as most show up to âtherapyâ convinced they already understand everythingâŠ.and, as I recall, youâd better run for cover if you happen to show them they understand next to nothingâŠ.and as for âreflective functioningââŠ.humm.âŠfunctioningâ, ehh?âŠokayâwhy canât therapists just saying reflective thinking?âŠ.but I guess that sounds too pedestrian for most therapistsâ egosâŠ.yup, therapists feed off their junk food jargon FOR SUREâŠ.just hearing their own jargon tickles their fragile egosâŠ.at these moments I recall feeling an uncomfortable mixture of surprise, frustration and pity for the therapistâŠ.which quickly turned to disgust at myself when I recalled I agreed to pay for this nonsense called âtherapyââŠ.but waitâcould I possibly be âreflectively functioningâ!?âŠ..andâŠas I recallâŠ.this is when I reflectively walked out their door, for the very last timeâŠ
But KateL says it best, as she knows better than anyone the real meaning of empathy and reflective thought, which she has in herself, in spades:
âIf therapists were able to put themselves in the patientâs shoes, they would quickly learn how humiliating and hope-destroying it feels to be labeled and studied and âmanagedâ by people who are trained to help.â
KateL is right. Therapist should shut up and learn to take their own advice.
But therapists have not, by any means, cornered the market on intellectual masterbation. Most psychiatrists are running neck and neck with them. But some say psychiatrists are far and away the champs. I think itâs a dead heat.
I think the biggest problem with psychotherapy is the âtherapyâ itself. It gets in the way by clogging therapistsâ brains with judgement-laden âdiagnosesâ and biased âtherapiesâ, making the so-called âtherapyâ a synthetic, scripted interchange shaped by a therapistâs agenda, leaving little room for a spontaneous, genuinely heartfelt and therefore meaningfully honest human experience between equals. Itâs totally artificial, bland, flat and useless. No truth in it at all.
Steve says, âItâs very intuitive, and the diagnosis is essentially completely irrelevant to good therapy.â
I couldnât agree more.
The word âintuitiveâ doesnât describe most therapists Iâve had the distinct displeasure of working with. Instead, the most intuitive people Iâve known and know have nothing to do with the âmental healthâ system. I think that says a lot about the mental health system and the type of people that work in it.
Itâs like a breath of fresh air speaking with someone whoâs truly intuitive. I feel instinctively heard, understood and totally validated, as they help give voice to the frustrations I canât find words for. Itâs the complete opposite of the clumsy but always praised âpsychotherapy processâ â but itâs incredibly âtherapeuticâ. Try putting THAT in some âresearchâ paper and call it the âThe Foolâs Errand Intuitive Studyâ.
And another thing: My âgetting betterâ didnât happen until I got enough sense to stay away from the mental health system. And when did that happen? When I finally learned to trust my own intuition, which is something the mental health system never tells people to do –
Rebecca says, âLots of people actually have harmful mental health providers and are perceiving their providers accurately.â
Yes – unfortunately, many people actually DO have harmful mental health providers. And things can get worse if patients tell this to their providers/therapists. Not very âtherapeuticâ.
One of the reasons most psychotherapy is so ineffectual is because most therapists donât know the difference between âreflexive thinkingâ and âreflective thinkingâ â and most canât understand the difference even when itâs explained to them â because for them, education means regurgitation, confusing recitation with true understanding â which is what makes most therapists pseudo intellectuals motivated more by gaining social status and personal validation, not by an âempathyâ so many lay claim to. Their training teaches them a paint-by-numbers approach, which they need, because most arenât capable of sensing emotional nuanceâand a lot of times those who do sense emotional nuance get the heck out of the training program, because they realize that no one needs a degree to help someone understand their feelings, motivations and thought processes.
And most therapists are prisoners of their own reflexive thinking, (courtesy their training), so for them, âtherapyâ means having clients reflect the therapistâs reflexive thinking.
Itâs amazing how much difference one consonant can make.
After all, why do something as simple as respectfully listen to someone when you can charge hefty fees for using half-assed theories and gobbledygook language? Or think youâre practicing medicine when all youâre doing is a form of whitewashed drug dealing backed up by meaningless âbioscienceâ? Yup, âmental healthâ is a great career for narcissistic know-it-alls.
It would be nice if psychiatrists and therapists could improve their own reflective functioning, but Iâm afraid thatâs expecting too much from people trained to intellectually masterbate.
And why are most psychiatrists and therapists such secretly neurotic kooks?
Hard to tell for sure, but you can bet it has something to do with their affinity for ridiculously elaborate and essentially useless theories like âobject relationsâ â that collection of wordy bullshit better understood by simply using common sense, insight, and a little imagination, which just happen to be the three qualities most deficient in most therapists, which is why most therapists need to rely on using so much intellectual masterbation, which inevitably leads to peddling bullshit like CBT, DBT, and, of course, psychodynamics.
And thoughtful discussion doesnât require a therapist, believe it or not, or even a friend, for that matter, which is better, because the most honest discussions we have are the ones we have with ourselves alone.
Hereâs the âtherapyâ bullshit decoded:
CBT: question, challenge and reframe negative thoughts
Psychodynamic therapy: question denial of problems, consider and search repressed feelings as possible root cause of problems
DBT: getting sucked into some idiot control freakâs idiot idea of âmindfulnessâ and âbeing in the presentâ. Just be ready to wag your tail like a dog and go fetch to please the therapist whoâs got you on a leash –
And the real motivation for most of those who work as psychiatrists or therapists isnât a desire to help – itâs an ego-related but unconscious desire to hold power.
And souped-up terms like âpsychodynamic therapyâ or âreflective functioningâ are just fancy words for thoughtful discussion or individual introspection, which, btw, is something people can do on their own.
And as for DBT â thankfully Iâve never been subjected to that, but it sounds very controlling, like obedience training for humans.
KateL says, âI donât think they (psychiatrists and therapists) gave a lot of reflective functioning to what it was like to be a patient. They should start there.â
I donât think most psychiatrists and therapists are capable of realizing what itâs really like to be a patient. I think if insight and sensitivity were their strong suit, they wouldnât have become therapists or psychiatrists. Most are in a league of their own in their capacity for unreflective thought, self delusion, and their attraction to holding power over others.
Morally judgmental professions require morally judgmental people, and working as a psychiatrist or therapist more than fills the bill.
Thank you anotherone, for saying, âThis article works off a false, but insidiously common MH system bias, that the practitioner is morally superior to their clients.â
Yes! Itâs the âinsidiously common MH system bias, that the practitioner is morally superior to their clientsâ I found impossible to ignore, despite my best efforts to participate in the god awful garbage called âpsychotherapyâ. Without question, the therapistâs self serving belief in their totally imaginary âpower imbalanceâ is what made âtherapyâ not work for me. And at the risk of sounding conceited, l have to say that most of what any of them had to say were things I already knew, which irritated them, because it meant they couldnât get an ego boost out of saying I lacked âinsightâ.
And FYI: I was never âdiagnosedâ with BPD, or any other ridiculous personality âdisorderâ, thank goodness. But apparently, MDD (major depressive disorderâ) was enough for psychiatrists and other therapists to sit on their high horse and spout off their own unreflective âtherapeuticâ bullshit.
anotherone concludes with, âIâd prefer insight into how psychiatrists and therapists can improve their own reflective functioning. No more groupthink passed off as research. Acknowledge reality.â
Yes. That would be nice, but itâs unlikely to happen with people attracted to groupthink, which is all the MH system amounts to. And yes, âjust acknowledge realityâ. And whatâs the reality? That psychiatrists and therapists are NOT morally superior to their clients. And I should know, as Iâm the daughter of a psychiatrist and have personally known people who became therapists. These people are as screwed up and behave as badly as anyone they âtreatâ, and their belief in their moral superiority (and in the MH system) is what makes them the most screwed up and dangerous people out there.
Thank you Dr. Kriegman, for going through mainstream psychiatryâs ethical shoddiness with a fine toothed comb. It shows how underhanded and opportunistic mainstream psychiatrists are. The trouble is, not enough people know this yet. But things are changing, and when change gets going, thereâs no stopping it, and psychiatrists will finally look like the fools they are. Because I too think that âin the end the truth will prevail.â
Dan Kriegman says, ââŠclinicians have no access to the perspective and understanding that comes from comparing drug response to placebo responseâ, and ââŠwe know that the impact of placebos can be greatly affected by their presentation.â
This explains why psychiatric drug research is useless.
Richard D. Lewis says, ââŠ.all of this research IGNORES the significant number of people (victims) who end up going down the ârabbit holeâ of a seemingly endless number of new prescriptions of other drugs, including dangerous drug cocktails.â
This explains how psychiatric drug research has no connection to the real world.
Krista says, âThe language surrounding psychiatry and psychology has become an assimilation and marketing exercise that blurs & softens experiences into a large, more palatable blob.â
ââŠblurs and softens experiences into a large, more palatable blob.â
KateL,
What do I mean by âcut your lossesâ? I mean donât add to your frustrations by expecting the impossible. Which doesnât mean not standing up for yourself when necessary; it means calmly disagreeing and calmly stating why, but not making an issue out of it if youâre not taken seriously or treated with disrespect, because getting upset just gives people more ammunition to discredit you. Itâs a matter of learning to be in control of yourself and the situation. You probably know this already, but Iâm just trying to help.
I hope things get better for you soon.
Birdsong
KateL,
Thereâs not much you can do about people who insist on calling you âmentally illâ, especially those who work in the âmental illnessâ system; itâs all they know, so trying to convince them otherwise is a waste of time. So donât waste yours on people who arenât worthy of you. But how you feel is completely understandable, as the term âmentally illâ is actually a slur, whether itâs intended or not. But after a while, itâs best to try and cut your losses whenever and however you can.
When trauma language becomes hackneyed, it then becomes perfunctory. And this is bad because so much of trauma is nuanced, meaning it can be hard to put into words, and even when words are used, the full impact of the trauma may not be conveyed, especially to (most) therapists, many of whom (imo) are overbearing, browbeating know-it-alls unable to pick up subtleties, even if theyâre right in front of them. And since this is what passes for âtherapyâ, itâs no wonder thereâs so many troubled people.
I liked reading your article very much, because it sounds like you have a refreshing take on things.
I like your term âdevelopmentalistâ; it takes the pathology out of psychology. And your approach to ââŠsupport people to develop themselves and their communitiesâŠ(to) create new responses to existing situationsâ is what needs to happen, because itâs the only realistic and humane thing to do, not to mention reasonable and respectful. After all, what has pathologizing done for anyone except cause more trauma?
And Iâm glad you mentioned writing things down as I, too, found this helpful â a lot more helpful than talking to a therapist or taking âmedicationâ. Writing removes the obstacle of having someone judge or misinterpret whatever Iâm saying. Writing helps make sense of the impossible.
Exploring new ways of looking at trauma is important, because, as you say, ââour feelings and what we call them and how we understand themâare always inextricably linkedâ, which to me means the difference between hope and despair. And new perspective means new life.
Thank you again for sharing your new, positive approach. The world needs more good people like you.
Thereâs a reason why people call horrible things âunspeakableâ; itâs because theyâre traumatic. But thatâs something most therapists seem to have a hard time understanding. And itâs my experience that most therapists canât accept the fact that talk therapy doesnât work for everyone. And on top of that, most therapists believe thereâs something wrong with people who donât find talking helpful, and that itâs the clientâs fault if they donât! Now THATâS a trauma, right there, courtesy your local therapist. And for some reason, most therapistsâ egos seem to depend on people spilling their guts, as if they own YOUR trauma, which they then feed off like parasites. Trauma, anyone???
And NO ONE needs the ultimate trauma of being handed a âpsychiatric diagnosesâ –
KateL,
Rejection can be devastating, especially when looking for help. And the places that turned you away says more about them than you.
Finding a competent therapist is a crapshoot for anybody. But living a good life doesnât depend on finding one â despite what anyone tells you. The key is learning to be your own therapist, which for me has meant learning to be my own best friend, as corny as that may sound.
But what youâve been through is devastating, and downright appalling, especially in this day and age. And whatâs more appalling is then being rejected from the very system thatâs supposed to be helpful. So, maybe you should stay away from a system that focuses on âmental illnessâ, which to me makes it the ultimate nightmare. And after all, it sounds like youâve got A LOT more on the ball than most of the people that work in it. And donât forget, KateL, you found your way to MIA! Let THAT be your badge of honor.
Why canât the so-called âexpertsâ see the link between the increase in people being âdiagnosedâ with psychiatric âdisordersâ and the publication of the DSM III, IV, and V? The DSM just gives doctors more excuses to write prescriptions for more and more âmedicationsâ, courtesy Big Pharma. Take off their white coats and all theyâre doing is drug dealing.
âDoing this can retraumatizeâ, meaning talking about trauma (or anything else) can be retraumatizing. And it doesnât matter if someone says youâre not being âforcedâ to talk, because even just the expectation that talking is good causes feelings of obligation to talk, which can also be traumatizing, or just call it intrusive and invalidating.
And the language of trauma in the wrong hands can be just as bad as the pseudo-medical gobbledegook psychiatry dishes out.
The lie that thereâs a link between serotonin and depression is just the tip of the psychiatric iceberg. Why canât the so-called âexpertsâ see the link between the increase in âpsychiatric disordersâ and the publication of the DSM III, IV and V? Not to mention the introduction of SSRIâs and the ânewer generation antipsychoticsâ. And donât forget the increase in psychiatric drug-induced iatrogenic illnesses and resulting disability. But no one needs a Ph.D to connect the dots; itâs easy to see whatâs been happening.
Itâs only a matter of time before enough people see whatâs really going on. And at that point there may be a whole new medical specialty dedicated to dealing with the iatrogenic illnesses caused by psychiatryâs drugs. They could call themselves âiatrogenicistsâ.
Psychiatrists need to remember that even in this day and age, the chickens always come home to roost.
Steve says, âAnd often results to which they never willingly agree to aspire, and continue to protest even when âin compliance.â
This is what makes most âtherapyâ like obedience school; having to perform for a therapist who all the while prattles on and on about learning to be âauthenticâ, when, in fact, all theyâre doing is a reenactment of negative family dynamics that most therapists arenât even aware of. They just like the power. Which is why they defend their methods by hiding behind their precious âpower imbalanceâ, that bullshit idea that allows them to control the conversation, just like mom and dad.
Dr Holzman, thank you for saying this: âPsychiatry and psychology have so altered our experience of human emotions that it is exceedingly difficult to feel, understand or talk about nearly any aspect of human life outside of the medicalized and illness framework we have been socialized to.â
This canât be said often enough these days, and I wish it were the first paragraph in every psychology textbook.
Joshua says, âSomeone could have been traumatized in ways that they do not yet know how to give voice toâŠ.the most common forms of abuse are those which our entire society declines to recognize.â
Vey true, but no one should be forced, coerced, or in any way made to feel obligated to disclose whatâs happened to them, conscious or not. But unfortunately, most therapists are stuck on the belief that talk therapy is the only way to overcome trauma. Doing this can retraumatize and puts the trauma ahead of the person.
Whatâs happened with trauma language is what often happens with any idea that captures the publicâs imagination; it gets stereotyped. But Dr. Holzman brings up a very good question: can we live our lives without diagnosing ourselves? Now THATâS a question worth pursuing.
Iâm so sorry this happened to you. It must have felt awful to have gotten your hopes up, only to be dumped so coldly. Please donât think you were brainwashed; you reached out in hope, but unfortunately, it didnât work out in that instance.
Isnât it ironic how an industry devoted to helping people often turns out to be the exact opposite? But who knows? Maybe thereâs another therapist just right for you at betterhelp after all. In any case, I hope you get your money back.
Shiloh says, âThen on a regular visit to my psychiatrist I asked that my meds be decreasedâŠ.He instead prescribed a fifth medication.â
This is no surprise; itâs psychiatryâs modus operandi. But thankfully what followed was Shilohâs moment of truth:
âStanding at line at the pharmacy it just hit me that I couldnât do this anymoreâŠâ
Shiloh, Iâm sorry you experienced so much needless suffering. But thank you for taking the time to write this essay. And please do write a book; it just might be what keeps someone else from falling into psychiatryâs âiatrogenic hellâ. And âMadness to Miraclesâ sounds like a great title.
May you enjoy continued improvements to your overall health and a loving reunion with your children.
Thank you, Joshua.
I too, believe that a lot of what is called mental illness has to do with what happens in childhood, although it could be due to any number of things.
Joshua,
Thank you for your kind words.
I was a young adult when a series of family crises (that had been accumulating over a number of years) finally got me to the breaking point.
Nijinsky says, âWho said that religion was the opium of the masses, thatâs past history, now itâs brought to you by the drug companies and the marketing industryâŠ.â
Iâm so glad you listened to your son and were eventually able to stop all medication. I too have lost too much time listening to psychiatristsâ âbevy of liesâ.
And thank you again for your eloquence when saying, âThe psychiatrists see us at our lowest ebb and pretty defenseless, unable to advocate for ourselves or readily believed, and desperately seeking answers wherever we may find them.â
Psychiatryâs DSM diagnoses medicalize normal reactions to lifeâs difficulties. And by medicalizing, psychiatry offers drugs that blot out the spiritual lessons and growth that could otherwise take place. And since most psychiatrists have swallowed mainstream psychiatryâs âscientificâ delusions of their drugsâ efficacy, theyâve allowed themselves to be lulled into misinterpreting the âresultsâ from their bought-and-paid-for ârandomized clinicalâ drug trials.
Nijinsky says, âWhat kind of complacency to consumerism, and the marketing of social norms, and mob mentality, and the ability to feel or even process what we want in life are we robbed of?âŠ.Itâs like an assault on honesty.â
Welcome to Madison Avenue, where consumer culture meets âscienceâ –
Another commenter called psychiatry âopportunistic medicineâ and farmorâs words explain why this rings true:
âThe psychiatrists, however, see us at our lowest ebb and pretty defenseless, unable to advocate for ourselves or readily believed, and desperately seeking answers wherever we may find them.â
Can you guess what most psychiatrists call self-advocacy? If you say ânoncomplianceâ, youâre right!
âI now know that ALL DSM so-called âdiagnosesâ are simply different styles of coping mechanisms and not brain âdisordersâ.
Thank you farmor for stating these important truths so clearly and succinctly.
Louisa says, âWe, as a culture, are indoctrinated into believing that unless we are goal driven and seeking personal satisfaction at all times, there is something wrong with us.â
Thank you for beautifully articulating whatâs wrong with our culture. Itâs the result of living in a society driven by constant striving for physical, emotional, social, and âprofessionalâ perfection. And anyone who doesnât follow the party line of âgo go go for more more moreâ, or who falls apart from trying to conform to this social tyranny, runs the risk of being pathologized and âmedicatedâ. I think itâs one of the reasons behind affluenza.
People should quit depending on âresultsâ from âstudiesâ and instead start looking for REASONS why theyâre feeling the way theyâre feeling. Then maybe theyâd realize thereâs nothing âwrongâ WITH THEM â
Actually, I donât think most psychiatrists are afraid of their gut feelings; I think most have become so disconnected from their gut feelings that they no longer know what gut feelings are. But thatâs what most psychiatry is all about â being disconnected.
farmor says, âThe psychiatrists, however, see us at our lowest ebb and pretty defenseless, unable to advocate for ourselves or readily believed, and desperately seeking answers wherever we may find them.â
Another commenter calls psychiatry âopportunistic medicineâ, and farmorâs words explain why.
ââŠALL DSM so-called diagnoses are simply different styles of coping mechanisms and not brain âdisordersâ.
Thank you farmor for stating these important truths so clearly and succinctly.
What is it about making drugs in a pharmaceutical lab that makes people think pharmaceuticals are less hazardous to their health than the nicotine in tobacco or the alcohol in fermented grapes?
Most psychiatrists arenât wired to be empathic; most are wired to dominate. And psychiatristsâ urge to dominate is soothed by having people dependent on them and their drugs which separate people from their gut feelings. I think most psychiatrists are afraid of their own gut feelings, which is why they spent their lives alienating people from theirs.
Why canât these âscientistsâ see that their efforts to digitally explain âhuman cognitionâ is like trying to defy the laws of gravity?
But sometimes itâs best to leave people to their digital navel-gazing.
And what is naval gazing?
Self indulgent or excessive contemplation of oneself or a single issue, at the expense if a wider view
And yet, for all their overheated efforts to digitally explain human cognition, I canât help but wonder if they know the difference between consciousness and conscience, never mind âcognitionâ. But something tells me that even if they do, it wouldnât make any difference –
Because in all my pain, fear, and confusion, I was thoroughly brainwashed by the lie I was told by psychiatry (which further scared me out of my wits), the one where they tell patients, âYouâll need these medications the rest of your life.â And also because in my family, psychiatry was thought to be a legitimate resource. And I was raised to always be compliant with âdoctorsâ ordersâ.
Thank you KateL, for the link to the Los Angeles Times article.
I hope someday thereâll be a way for people get the support they need (and I donât mean pharmaceutical support) before finding themselves on the street at the mercy of street psychiatry.
But patients have the right to expect courtesy and decency in all health care settings, including those regarding âmental healthâ, but sadly this is not always the case by any means.
âThen on a regular visit to my psychiatrist I asked that my meds be decreasedâŠ.He instead prescribed a fifth medicationâ.
I can relate to this. Itâs psychiatryâs modus operandi.
âStanding in line at the pharmacy it just hit me that I couldnât do this anymoreâŠâ
I can relate to this, too.
Iâm so sorry for what youâve gone through. But thank you for writing this. And I hope you also write a book because I believe someone reading it will be spared what you so aptly refer to as psychiatryâs âiatrogenic hellâ. And I think âMadness to Miraclesâ would be a great title.
I wish you continued improvements in your overall health and a restoration of a relationship with your children.
Thank you for this podcast. Itâs one of the best things Iâve ever heard or read.
It was over three decades ago when I said to myself, âSomeday, what Iâm going through will be publicly acknowledged and addressed by someone in an understandable way that has a chance of making a meaningful differenceâ
Some say learning to adapt (desensitization) is the only way to survive medical school. But problems occur if medical students go from desensitization to internalization, meaning unconsciously repeating whatâs experienced on undeserving people, which eventually could be their patients.
Iâve often thought the reason so many medical doctors are the way they are (lacking compassion, patient-blaming) is because theyâve had to learn to adapt to (and some would say survive) the uniquely stressful, competitive, and potentially punitive (legally, that is) learning environment of medical school and medical practice. And while medical training is rigorous, and at times even brutal, some would argue this is necessary for weeding out substandard students, meaning when someoneâs life is on the line, whatâs most important is the patientâs life, and not some over-confident medical studentâs swollen ego. Some say itâs the only way to survive the emotionally, academically, (and potentially professionally) cut-throat environment that is medical school. And medical students desensitization and subsequent internalization of seemingly hostile training tactics can result in them eventually (though unconsciously) taking out their long-buried frustrations on their patients. But what many doctors fail to realize is that what theyâve chosen to endure does not give them the right to treat patients with the same disrespect. In other words, they donât realize that what theyâve chosen to subject themselves to is the opposite of what people have a right to except in their everyday lives, which is courtesy and decency. And though I agree with Alice Millerâs theory that such destructive interpersonal attitudes, dynamics, and behaviors often begin in childhood, it doesnât excuse such behavior, especially from those trained to help others.
Too bad some people donât know the difference between neuro-science and neuro-nonsense. Then maybe theyâd see all theyâre doing is making high tech Rorschach tests.
Which leads to the conclusion that some people donât know the difference between intellect and wisdom.
Most people, when given half a chance, (which is something most psychiatrists, as well as other therapists, rarely allow people to do), are more than capable of using their own (surprise! surprise!) critical thinking. But by gosh, golly and gee whizâŠisnât it amazing when even MORE problems arise AFTER people start seeing mainstream psychiatrists, (or, can you guess?) even a somewhat less toxic therapist. But the facts are, when people are faced with, and then summarily bulldozed by, mainstream psychiatry, itâs miserable myriad of myths, means and methods result in adding even MORE misery to peopleâs original problems. And then having to come to grips with the bullshit that is psychiatry is a challenge unlike any other, and something most people wish theyâd somehow found a way to avoid. These are some obvious facts seemingly unbeknownst to the author. Maybe she should have spent more time with those who donât have a vested interest in promoting some variation of mainstream psychiatryâs party line of diagnose, drugs, or some such piddly-doo idea of âpsychotherapyâ.
Johanna says, âI also find it interesting that Charlotte has talked only to âclinicians, academics, writers, scientists and journalistsâ – to people who have successful careers and who are probably middle class.â
I found it more than interesting. I found it disheartening and more than a little disturbing.
Johanna further states, âThe most oppressed people know the most about the damage and humiliation caused by psychiatry.â
And therefore have the most to say, imo. I wonder if Charlotte knows this, or perhaps she harbors an unconscious bias against those with the most hardships, as can sometimes be the case with those fortunate enough to have fewer hardships.
I donât think being a critic has to be so complicated, or controversial, and certainly not contentious. Itâs just learning to think for yourself, to not automatically accept what someone says, no matter who says it, especially some âexpertâ. Itâs called having your own opinion. But that can be a problem for some people, especially those who call themselves mainstream psychiatrists, you know, those pesky, hopelessly anal retentive âprofessionalsâ who invariably resort to engaging in tightly controlled, diagnostically measured temper tantrums. Just picture them furiously fumbling through their precious DSMs whenever their âpatientsâ dare to have the temerity to voice their own opinions. Which just goes to show that psychiatrists are the very definition of control freaks. But psychiatrists arenât the only ones; thereâs lots of diagnostically demented fruitcakes running around, frantically waving one or another essentially meaningless degree, political persuasion, or any other ideological narrative that suits their purposes, breathlessly proclaiming to have âthe answerâ to everyoneâs problems. But therein lies the problem, and itâs a stubborn one at that, because itâs rooted in the bullshit called psychiatry, and by association, that cesspool some fondly refer to as the âmental health systemâ. Such believers are fruitcakes, (to say the least, imo), as it has become quite a conundrum for too many people. But most psychiatrists donât see any problems, (and certainly not in themselves!) because most, as I previously stated, are hopelessly (but happily!) anal retentive in maintaining their psychiatric, and therefore narrow minded, attitudes. To use a crude analogy: most mental health professionals, and psychiatrists in particular, have sticks up their âclinicalâ asses. But no matter what people decide to call themselves, whether âcriticâ this, or âantiâ that, or, lo and behold, nothing at all, itâs best to avoid those wedded to such a suffocatingly perverse system. Simply put, mainstream psychiatry and its assorted minions are troublemakers who use diagnoses and drugs to do their dirty work, âworkâ that does little more than confound us all, and ends up actually poisoning way too many, which is why websites like this have come to exist. Because after all, who wants their private pains used to fuel some âexpertâsâ inflated ego, or worse yet, used as some psychiatristâs hapless lab rat. Unfortunately, âpatientsâ are used to satisfy these and other selfish ends, namely, their big egos and big pockets to match. So it pays to be skeptical of those with reputations to protect and egos to coddle, egos so big they canât see beyond themselves, that, more often than not, belong to none other than the âclinicalâ professionals, researchers, academics, and, believe it or not, even some writers and journalists, most of whom would do well to more than occasionally eat a fair amount of humble pie.
Beans says, âTrust in haste, regret at leisureâ â
I wish Iâd heard this before I walked into a psychiatristâs office, or any other âmental health professionalâ for that matter. It should be printed in big block letters on the doors and websites of all these assorted quacks, ESPECIALLY the m.d.âs.
âUltimately, this type of study takes a massive chaotic mess of data points, and attempts to find a signal in that noise, even when no true signal existsâthe technological version of pareidoliaâ –
I love the above statement. It describes exactly what mainstream psychiatry is trying to do in yet another effort to be taken seriously. And the last quoted paragraph is a good example of its wilting pseudoscientific word salad:
âWe contend that neuroimaging research in psychiatry, more than ever, needs to embrace theoretical frameworks derived from basic and computational neuroscience.â
ââŠmore than everâ? Really? But havenât they heard? Wishful thinking isnât science, no matter how much they believe in the Tooth Fairy. But apparently no oneâs taught them that the human brain-mind-psyche-soul-spirit canât be reduced to a mathematical equation, no matter how good holding that notion makes them feel about themselves as researchers.
âThis includes addressing how high-dimensional neural activity supports cognition, coupled with formulating testable predictions as to behavioral and symptomatic consequences of disruptions to these processes.â
WowâŠhigh dimensional neural activity⊠but wait a minute â havenât they heard of Pavlovâs despicable dog experiments? To which theyâll undoubtedly respond with something along the lines of, âWhat weâre doing is much more sophisticated!â. Oh yeah. âSophisticatedâ. Well, Iâve said it before, and Iâll say it again â phrenologyâs phrenology, even if it is high tech. Capiche???
âArguably, an urgent necessity is to view symptoms through the lens of computational models of cognition, bridging a gap between knowledge articulated at different levels of analysis (from neural to behavioral) and in different species.â
(Didnât I just mention Pavlovâs dog experiments?) And as for âurgent necessityâ â WHOâS âurgent necessityâ? This statement reveals their ever urgent quest to be taken seriously as a medical science. Well good luck with that. Too bad they canât see statements like this just scream desperation, and how addicted they are to believing in certainty, which, btw, is a telltale sign of their cultish mindset.
Why donât these people do themselves and everyone else a favor and just stick to computer science? The next time they get the urge to spout off more of their pseudoscientific nonsense, they oughta to look up the word âpareidoliaâ. Thatâll tell âem all they need to know.
My experience is similar to yours in that searching the internet is how I found alternatives to psychiatryâs medical model. And I think itâs beyond unfortunate how misguided most psych practitioners currently are. But I hope stories like yours will soon be the norm.
This article proves that most problems in âpsychotherapyâ are with the therapists themselves, most of whom donât bother to practice the basics of helpful human relationships, which happen to be courtesy and respect, the lack of which is endemic to most âpsychotherapyâ.
The problems listed in this article arenât limited to youth or mental health emergency service providers – itâs how much of psychotherapy is conducted. And therapists give it a fancy name: âpower imbalanceâ, which is code for âtherapists knows better than the patient/clientâ, which speaks volumes about whatâs going on in many therapistsâ heads and why: an unquenchable thirst for ego gratification/grandiosity, an obsessive desire for control and need to be seen as ârightâ – in other words, to be seen as an âexpertâ. Itâs professionalized psychological abuse.
And contrary to what most therapists would have people think, the solutions arenât rocket science, as the above article offers five common sense solutions anyone can learn:
1. Recognize and accept anotherâs experience (validation)
2. Commend them for seeking help (legitimize)
3. Seeing the person as an individual, not as a problem to be solved (donât objectify)
4. See people as capable of helping themselves to the extent they choose (respect their agency)
5. Let people make their own choices (quit being a know-it-all and telling them what to do)
rebel,
Just so you know, Iâm not blaming capitalism for creating psychiatry. But I do think it exploits/perpetuates psychiatryâs worst components: its DSM labels and psych drugs. And this happens because psych drugs are one of the economyâs biggest money-makers. And incidentally, Iâm not against capitalism â just lies, coercion and bribery â in other words, corruption â which is the key component of established psychiatry and its ever-faithful cohort, the psych drug industry.
Things get even more screwed up if people are made to think somethingâs wrong WITH THEM. And this is especially true for youngsters who internalize the messages adults give them. And itâs an invasion of privacy to single kids out for something as personal as their feelings, as a group or individually. It just makes them inappropriately self-conscious and targets for teasing/bullying. If you want to help kids, donât single them out by forcing them to take a course or talk unless they chose to. Just post signs saying private counseling is available.
Dear rebel,
Youâve managed to keep up your most important obligation: the one to yourself, which is very admirable in this day and age when weâre saturated with infantilizing messages from established psychiatry. And you do this with a curious mind and open heart. Thereâs nothing crazy or old about that.
Harper West says, âThis labeling is a severe humiliation and a trauma compounded by the damage of the medications. Using a shame-informed case formulation in psychotherapy and ditching the âmedical modelâ will save thousands of lives a year.â
Severe humiliation and trauma. Thatâs psychiatry in a nutshell.
Psych label>trauma>psych drugs>trauma>iatrogenic illness>trauma=ruined lives. And it all starts with a DSM label. Way to go, psychiatry!
Established psychiatry is the Church of Mediocrity, meaning it refuses to seriously reconsider its methods (medical model) and question its motives ($$$). And this is because enlightened thinking threatens its status, meaning no more pharmaceutical bribes and pricey book deals.
rebel,
It sounds like youâve been through a lot, and then walking away from psychiatry takes courage, as itâs no small feat. You deserve much credit for that.
rebel,
I agree that the biggest issue with psychiatry is its incessant drugging, and by extension its type of therapy (disease model, DSM, etc.) But the first step is an awareness that thereâs viable alternatives to traditional psychiatry, and MIA is that first step for many people. Knowledge is key.
But established psychiatrists have proven one thing: theyâll keep blowing and blowing and blowing till the cows come home with next to nothing to show for it – but they make whatever theyâre doing into a horseâs prayer so it sounds like theyâre actually getting somewhere.
rebel,
Thank you for your thoughtful apology. I truly appreciate it. And youâre right – psychiatry doesnât understand very much. But Iâm an optimist, too!
Birdsong
l_e_cox,
Human nature exists, confused or not. And disagreement is not confusion, itâs a matter of seeing things differently, which is part of being human, and no amount of intellectualizing can change this.
And what does established psychiatry resemble?
People making a wish while trying to blow out candles that never go out on their birthday cake, year after year after yearâŠ..
Steve says, âIn actual point of fact, it is almost always the SUPPRESSION of their own emotions and experience that CAUSES their âmental illnessâ in the first place!âŠOther than âsurgeryâ on the brain, itâs hard to think of anything worse that one could do than the label/blame/drug model that the DSM was constructed to encourage and justify.â
Most âmental illnessâ is the result of painful, unprocessed emotions that psych drugs suppress. And I think most âprofessionalsâ use the DSM as a coping mechanism to avoid facing their own painful memories. Itâs a massive cop-out, as DSM stands for Denial, Suppression and Mute.
rebel,
Many people see psychiatry as having way too much power that it does not deserve. And many governments in the western world use psychiatryâs labels to legally decide if people are able to compete in the workplace, thus enabling them to receive disability benefits, which means psychiatry has a great deal of power.
rebel,
Please go back and read what I wrote.
I said capitalism has existed IN SOME FORM. And I wasnât referring to the differences between capitalism and feudalism – I was referring to the similarities, of which there are more than a few.
l_e_cox,
I wasnât confused about the meaning of capitalism as I did use a dictionary. And it is not rational to tear down others, so please donât assume Iâm confused and didnât use a dictionary.
l_e_cox,
I wasnât confused about the meaning of capitalism as I did use a dictionary. And it is not rational to tear down others, so please donât assume Iâm confused and didnât use a dictionary.
And why do some people take advantage of others?
Thereâs lots of reasons. Some are greedy, and some are needy. But both are associated with the drive/instinct to survive, which is part of human nature.
rebel says, ââŠ. itâs definitely NOT capitalism that is the problem; but that we are now a technocracyâŠ.This is NOT capitalism. This is human weakness.â
For some, capitalism means a way of doing business, while for others it means exploitation. And capitalism/exploitation has existed in some form since ancient times, (i.e. slave labor, feudalism, etc.) And technology has changed how we live and do business, in good ways and bad. But while methods have changed, motivations/human weakness has not.
l_e_cox says, âl donât know what a pre-capitalist society is supposed to beâŠ.Why did we choose business and corporate structures? Why did we agree to it?â
I think Dr. Moncreiff was referring to pre-industrialized societies. But some form of capitalism has been around since ancient times. And business/corporate structures evolved along with it. And the reasons were/are to maximum profit/create wealth for the owners with wages for workers. Some people see this as a good thing, while others see exploitation. But going back to your question, âWhy did we agree to it?â Because people need to eat/survive and others take unfair advantage of that.
Wren says, ââŠyears of âtrauma-informed careâ which dictated to me my wants and needs, rewrote my life experience, destroyed my sense of self, erased my personhood, violated my boundaries,
replicated my childhood abuse, (and) ultimately (and ironically) left me more traumatised than before.â
And, âIt all could have been avoided if someone had just listened to me, and seen the person behind the trauma.â
This describes a lot of âtherapyâ, âtrauma-informedâ or not:
1. Dictates wants and needs
2. Rewrites life experiences
3. Destroys sense of self
4. Erases personhood
5. Violates boundaries
6. Replicates childhood trauma
7. Leaves one more traumatized than before
But âjust listeningâ doesnât satisfy most therapistsâ need to exert power over your life – and it certainly doesnât pay their bills.
AnnaB says, ââŠI donât need to re-live any traumatic event without my permission. I donât need my power taken away from me. And thatâs what it feels like when Iâm not the one to initiate a conversation about my traumatic experiences.â
This is why I never recommend seeing anyone in the mental health system. Healing takes time, patience and privacy – not the intrusive, ham-handed âtechniquesâ used by so-called âtrauma-informed therapistsâ. The initial trauma is bad enough, but âtherapyâ often makes things worse. Itâs not much different from what they did before; theyâre just using different words to validate themselves at your expense.
Reading the MIA article âThe Functions of the Mental Health System Under Capitalismâ by Joanna Moncreiff MD explains a lot.
âWhereas in pre-capitalist societies most people could do some useful work in the community, in the capitalist system labour only has economic value if it attains levels of productivity sufficient to generate profit for the capitalistâŠâŠThe organization of production under capitalism generates many of the problems we call mental disordersâŠ..much of the current mental illness epidemic (that) is so closely linked to financial insecurity, debt, lack of housing, loneliness, fear or feelings of failure and lack of purpose.â
âInsanity is the only sane reaction to an insane society.â
– Thomas Stephen Szasz
rebel says, ââŠmost humans faceâŠthe vulnerability to suggestion. We are all naturally gullibleâŠThe most manipulative of psychiatrists and therapists take advantage of thisâŠthere are those who do it unknowingly, too.â
Yes, we are all naturally gullible. And âpsych professionalsâ are among the most gullible, as most have no idea theyâve been subliminally seduced by their training, as their desire to be seen as âthe expertâ influences most âpsych professionalsâ in ways theyâre loathe to admit, which makes it a question of character.
Steve says, ââŠthe DSM enables the âprofessionalsâ to blame the âclientsâ for their own (the professionalsâ) discomfort with the helping processâŠthe very WORST thingâŠis to put the client at a distance by providing a labelâŠto call his/her experience âsymptomsâ caused by a faulty brain that needs to be suppressed!â
And this is why the âmental health industryâ has no claim to integrity, which is also a question of character.
I totally agree that most of whatâs classified as âcrazyâ in the DSM are coping mechanisms that are no longer helpful. And I also think most psych professionals unconsciously use the DSM as their own coping mechanism to avoid facing their own unresolved conflicts.
Yes, I agree the habitual/unconscious can cause some of the most thorny problems. For me, itâs a process of becoming aware of whatâs going on, and then questioning the reasons/motivations behind it.
Steve says, âMessing with the âhardwareâ is a dumb way to solve a âsoftwareâ problem, let alone a problem with the programmer him/herself!â
I like your analogy. It makes a lot of sense.
I see greed and survival as coping mechanisms/reactions to lifeâs demands/stimuli. But I find the search for mental mechanisms rather disturbing – almost frankensteinian – as it seems intent on defying/denying the human element – which is akin to bio-psychiatry.
l_e_cox says, âThe human psyche normally contains various mental mechanisms that tend to result in self-defeating responses or self-harm when confronted by various stimuli.â
l_e_cox says, âThe human psyche normally contains various mental mechanisms that tend to result in self-defeating responses when confronted by various stimuli.â
To l_e_cox,
Apparently, you only read the first half of my comment, as in the second half I mentioned greed and survival as being the mechanisms at work in the situation.
Steve says, âDepression screenings are a scam and should be illegal.â
The YouTube video âPsychiatry & Big Pharma Exposed – Dr. James Davies, PhDâ shows just how much of a scam it all is, and leaves no doubt as to whatâs really going on.
Marie says, ââŠscreening because providers and drug companies see it as a way to make moneyâŠâ
This is exactly whatâs going on. Itâs all part of the drug companiesâ marketing scheme; they write the tests and find the screenings to sell more psych drugs, and mainstream psychiatry happily plays along.
Character comes down to a question of values – or lack thereof. And mainstream psychiatrists rarely question the VALIDITY of what they do – much less the VALUE of it. And if they do, itâs not much more than a lot of self congratulatory lip service, with psychiatry ALWAYS saving the day!!! And because psychiatrists arenât burdened with those pesky objective medical tests, theyâre able to skate on byâŠ..
Even more disturbing is how most psychiatrists NEVER EVEN BEGIN to question what theyâre doing or why theyâre doing it, as theyâre happy to follow the trail of pills Big Pharma leaves out for them, while other âmental health professionalsâ happily follow their DSM –
âSpinoza would be interested in the DSMâ ironically called the âbible of psychiatryâ â because of its political implicationsâŠ.and he would likely be troubled by how the false idea that the DSM is scientific provides power for its professional interpreters.â
Yes, and most psychiatrists (and other âmental health professionalsâ) believe using the word âscientificâ covers their multitude of sins.
John Hoggett says, âThe mental health industry is a core way capitalism continues, itâs ideology is part of the way modern capitalism is maintained, we are all sick in the head now, not miserable because of the poverty of everyday life.â
Most psych professionals let themselves be lulled into a diagnostic trance from reading and believing the DSMâs innumerable diagnostic fairy tales, that, btw, ALWAYS have a happy ending – FOR THEM – because after every diagnosis is a code that means one thing: $$$âŠâŠ
MIAâs âCapitalism and the Biomedical Model of Mental Healthâ, by Micah Ingle, MA
Some say capitalism is flawed, while others say socialism and communism are flawed as well. But all three use mainstream psychiatry in the same way, which means psychiatry isnât about health or science or medicine – itâs about who holds power. On a small scale, itâs drug dealing, and on a large scale, itâs used as a tool for social control.
rebel says, âWe can no longer live in a world where brains can be neutralized and also falsely blame it in capitalism. If our country was instead a country of socialism or communism, psychiatry would have gone to bed with them. The same is truth for Big Pharma. Changing the political/economic system will not change psychiatry.â
This is absolutely true. But mainstream psychiatry and capitalism sustain each other, with Big Pharma right alongside. But youâre right – it doesnât matter what governmental system is in place, and itâs already being used by other systems, often in an even more authoritarian way.
John Hoggett says, ââŠcapitalism and psychiatry are entwinedâŠ.â
Yes, very true. Capitalism and psychiatry reinforce each other, because mainstream psychiatryâs a form of eugenics and modern psychologyâs not much better. And it stays this way because those with degrees can charge large fees.
MIAâs âPsychiatric Eugenics Then and Now – You Betcha Itâs Still Happeningâ, by Bonnie Burstow PhD
Dr. Scullâs latest book is aptly tilted âDesperate Remedies: Psychiatryâs Turbulent Quest to Cure Mental Illnessâ. It shows mainstream psychiatry for what it is – a dirty, but no longer desperate, business, ever since it fell into bed with the pharmaceutical industry, that is. But itâs more realistic to say it still hides under a rock.
John Hoggett says, ââŠ.capitalism and psychiatry are entwinedâŠâ
Yes, very true. Capitalism and psychiatry reinforce each other, because psychiatryâs a form of eugenics, and modern psychologyâs not much better. And it stays this way because those with degrees can charge large fees.
MIAâs âPsychiatric Eugenics Then and Now – You Betcha Itâs Still Happeningâ by Bonnie Burstow Ph.D
Thank you! It just popped into my head because psychiatryâs premise is so false, and its medical routine is so staged and scripted, almost like some really bad performance art –
And itâs probably true that itâs not a matter of individual narcissism in most cases, but a matter of cultural bias. But itâs especially heinous when thereâs a whole system supporting it, (i.e. the mental health system).
Steve says, ââŠ.a system that treats âthe mentally illâ as objects or lesser humansâŠ.the system trains people to DISCRIMINATE against âthe mentally illââŠ.Itâs not a matter of individual narcissism in most casesâŠ.Itâs a cultural bias of disrespect and prejudiceâŠâ
I think your assessment of the situation is the right one. But narcissistic or not, the situation creates problems for people that they otherwise wouldnât have. And it seems narcissistic when one personâs âeducated opinionâ supposedly carries more weight than anotherâs, i.e. therapist/client. And diagnoses makes people societyâs scapegoat. This alone is traumatizing.
There are some ethical people in the mental health system, and they deserve a lot of credit for working behind enemy lines. But thatâs the problem – itâs enemy lines. Now what does that mean? It means the systemâs not a good place. And no amount of good people can change that. How can they, when theyâre forced to work within the confines of a narcissistic system? The features are analogous:
Therapeutic Relationship = Power Imbalance = Trauma Bond, etcâŠThatâs what makes it a set up for failure. Itâs narcissism run amok.
Susannah says, âShe (Alice Miller) has given me the safety, understanding, validation and advocacy that has allowed my healing to unfurl like no one else hadâ.
I experienced these same incredible feelings, as Alice Millerâs work is truly that remarkable. She did everything psychotherapists lay claim to, but theyâre often nowhere close to delivering.
Susannah,
Thank you for sharing so much interesting information. Itâs a fascinating topic worthy of much thought and discussion.
Iâd heard bits here and there about the existence of indigenous tribes that were, or are, structured in peaceful, egalitarian ways, and their methods for handling members whose egos got out of control. To me, these made sense because bad feelings effect harmony, and survival depends on everyone cooperating in harmony. And their methods for those who didnât keep their pride in check were, for the most part, successful, because the offender had nowhere to hide. Respect for others ruled the day.
And I definitely agree that unchecked narcissism has everything to do with going from egalitarian, nature-based tribes to the unjust, organized chaos it is now. I think this happened gradually as societies became more complex, with all kinds of innovations that led to more wealth and eventual trade with other societies. And this led to hierarchical organization that may have led to interpersonal jealousies/power struggles, that may have led to wars, that definitely led to where things are today – a constant struggle for world dominance, which is, in its essence, unchecked narcissism.
And itâs really interesting to consider what caused the âinitial failure of those checks on narcissismâ, or why so many people in the tribe became too traumatized to heal. Maybe something happened, like a natural disaster, or the spread of a deadly disease that instilled fear in the tribe that caused a traumatized leader to take charge.
Thank you for the links. Itâs good to know some people are taking a critical look at how and why we live in such a narcissistically-driven world. And the question is, can anything be done? And for that I have no answer.
Many people who choose to be therapists have good intentions to start with. And many claim to have worked on their own pain. But if that were true, why do they still believe in the mental health system? And what makes them unaware of the harm theyâre capable of doing? I believe itâs because the psych profession attracts mostly narcissists – who start off benign, but quickly turn malignant under the pressures of training and practice.
Maybe psych professionals should take another look at the Moral Treatment Movement. Then they might see how things went to hell in a hand basket as soon as the medical profession got involved. Because THATâS where a lot of the trouble starts.
Yes, crazy is often used disrespectfully, but I used it to show a respectful alternative (upset), because a lot of people tune out technical or psychobabbly words, myself included.
Yes, Steve, I believe a lot of people approach being a therapist with good intentions, but Iâm convinced something happens to them on their way to becoming a therapist.
I see the whole setup as ripe for abuse: diagnoses, drugs, power imbalance, fees, clients expected to trust a total stranger, and the therapistâs insecurities and agendas ad infinitum. I just found the whole process painfully undermining and totally insulting, even with people I liked and trusted. And I never felt good about myself until after I read Alice Miller – good enough to dump both therapy AND the psych drugs. And Iâve never felt the slightest desire or need to return to either, and itâs been six and a half years of feeling like myself again.
Your approach to helping people is what it needs to be – if there has to be therapy at all. Itâs just being there for another human being without abandoning them or imposing your own agenda. Itâs what parents need to be for their children, and what friends need to be for each other. And anyone who thinks they need a âdegreeâ for that has no business trying to help people.
Steve says,
âThe main qualifications for a therapist is not degree or training or years of experience. Itâs the degree to which they have dealt with their own childhood trauma and disappointments and enforced roles. Alice Miller got it right!â –
Thank you for saying this. Hearing it from a mental health professional means a lot.
I think training to be a therapist makes most people narcissistic.
Susannah,
Iâm delighted and thankful to know how much Alice Millerâs books have helped you. It makes me feel vindicated!
I firmly believe if more people knew of her ideas, fewer would seek psychotherapy or psych drugs. And somatic therapy can lead to psychic healing. I think it helps people become aware of how psychic tension is stored in the body.
Itâs really hard to see narcissism, even if itâs pointed out, because you go with what you know, and too often thatâs abuse in some form. But thatâs what makes Alice Millerâs work so important; she exposes narcissistic abuse in a lot of its forms.
And I agree that unchecked narcissism causes civilizations to develop and metastasize. But human nature being what it is, Iâd assumed that narcissism has always been around to some degree. But it definitely runs rampant in advanced civilizations. It seems the more goods (and services), the more greed.
Narcissistic abuse can happen anywhere, and a therapistâs office is no exception.
Itâs a matter of âbetter the devil you know, than the devil you donâtâ.
Psychiatric drugs donât âchemically treatâ anything. Theyâre industrial strength emotional insecticides that CHEMICALLY TRAUMATIZE the brain and body. They create iatrogenic illness that become versions of PTSD. It could be referred to as I-PTSD: iatrogenic post traumatic stress disorder. But some people are lucky enough to only be numbed out – but calling either one âmedicineâ is pretty disgusting.
The problem is narcissism often wears the badge of authority: psychiatrists, psychologists, etc. And some say the therapeutic model, (medical or otherwise) follows the narcissistâs template of emotional abuse: love bombing, devaluation, discard, etc.
ââŠ.psychiatrists abuse their patients instead of facing their own childhood pain and traumaâ –
A lot of psychotherapists do this too, but usually in a less heavy handed way.
Instead of relying so much on psychiatryâs pseudoscience (diagnoses, drugs), they search their grab bag of intellectualized ego trips (âtheoriesâ, âtreatmentsâ) to distract themselves from facing their own painful memories. Itâs a sophisticated form gaslighting (denial) done in a professional setting, which is what makes it so uniquely damaging to people. Itâs what makes the âmental health systemâ as narcissistic as anything else.
Most difficulties boil down to unchecked narcissism. It begins in childhood and plays out in adulthood in lifeâs many arenas: family, schools, workplaces, religions, governments, countries. Itâs the story of humanity.
KateL,
Iâm very sorry for all youâre going through right now. I wish your landlord and other services could be more responsive to you. And itâs not you fault.
It is good to know some psychiatrists are admitting inconsistencies (lies, really). But the shock of learning how youâve been misled takes a while to subside. But know it will. And I think more and more people are wising up to psychiatry every day, and this is reason for much hope.
The subtlety used by narcissistic therapists is what makes choosing a therapist such a hazardous path. The smooth introductions and subsequent schmoozing narcissistic therapists use can easily persuade and hide a narcissistic therapistâs covert manipulation. And seeing credentials on the wall completes the âclinically disguisedâ seduction. Itâs a potent mix for people already confused and vulnerable.
Whatâs the meaning of the word âbullyâ?
âA person who habitually seeks to harm or intimidate those they perceive as vulnerableâ –
There are many psychologically-based words in vogue today, and narcissism, psychopathy and sociopathy are a few of them. Some say bullying is at the root of these, but most agree these behaviors are as old as time. And many say todayâs mainstream âmental health professionalsâ, are often narcissists, or sociopaths, or even psychopaths in professional disguise, with (mainstream) psychiatrists at the top of the heap –
I hear you, KateL, and there are many who share your frustrations.
No one knows when, but I believe positive changes are happening right now – slowly but surely – in no small part because of the Internet – which is letting the world finally know the horrors going every day – all in the name of âpsychiatryâ –
Being a therapist is a great way for narcissists to use their narcissistic tactics. Hereâs a few from their playbook:
1. Feelings of grandiosity – âIâM a therapist, and youâre NOTâ –
2. Needing to influence others – âPeople will listen to ME, because IâM a therapistâ –
3. Exaggerate their abilities – âHealing is impossible without a therapistâ –
4. Craving admiration and acknowledgment – âEVERYONE will know MY name once I get MY books and MY research papers published!â –
5. Loves power and success – âIâll know Iâm a success when clients do whatever I want – through cajoling or threats of forceâ –
6. Believe their skills are âspecialâ – âOnly therapists can do this!â –
7. Believe theyâre owed something ($$$) – âYou have to PAY for what WE doâ –
8. Exploits others – âIâm going to use this clientâs story for a book I plan to write – and Iâm NOT telling them!â –
9. Lacks genuine empathy – âI canât stand this client and would have nothing to do with them if I werenât getting paid for it –
I firmly believe that psychiatry as we know it today will be gone before the end of this century. And in its place I see limited drugging, markedly different psychotherapy dynamics and protocols, a COMPLETE repudiation and TOTAL dissolution of the DSM, AND AN END TO ALL FORMS OF FORCED TREATMENT –
Susannah says, âI thought of psychiatric abuse as I was reading this⊠Lack of empathy, violence, gaslighting, victim-blaming⊠exploitation, lack of remorse or conscience⊠it is all there in that systemâ.
And donât forget the DSM – itâs (mainstream) psychiatryâs FAVORITE PLAYBOOK –
Susannah says, âAnd yes, some therapists can have some of these traits too, even subtly, and that can harm âpatientsâ/âclientsâ, too.â
Narcissistic psychiatrists are easy to spot, but a therapistâs subtlety makes their own narcissism hard see because people are conditioned to believe therapists wonât abuse them. And the âtherapeutic relationshipâ is the ideal setting for therapists to groom people into being their source of narcissistic supply. But this is hard to prove because being âdiagnosedâ harms peopleâs credibility, and itâs a âprofessionalâsâ word against theirs, and the âtherapyâ happens in isolation. Itâs a narcissistâs dream job.
I think the therapy profession is full of narcissists – some benign, but probably a lot more who have varying degrees of malignancy. I think the term âcovert narcissistâ fits a lot of psychotherapists and âmalignant narcissistâ fits a lot psychiatrists. And yes, ââŠit is all there in that (psychiatryâs) systemâŠâ as narcissism is – without a doubt – the architecture of mainstream psychiatry. And no one will ever know because both (psychiatry and therapy) are cloaked in confidentiality.
And the words âpsychopathâ and âsociopathâ describe behavior, not âillnessâ, and their listing in the âDSMâ does not validate them as anything –
Narcissistic is a descriptive word from Greek mythology that was co-opted by Freud to describe self-centered people. Psychiatrists later bastardized it further by plopping the idiot term âdisorderâ after it, then shoved it in the DSM.
Narcissism is a word from Greek mythology that Freud used to describe self-centered people. Psychiatry later bastardized it further by plopping the idiot term âdisorderâ after it, then shoved it in the DSM.
And FYI – I see everyone as an individual with a free right to hold their own opinion and make their own choices and I would appreciate it if you would do the same.
Kenâs âCoherence Theory of truthâ is an excellent example of how mainstream psychiatrists intellectualize to hide the fact they donât know what theyâre talking about. But they DO know verbosityâs a great way to distract from their scientific failures.
ââŠ.yet somehow psychology researchers always find a positive resultâ –
Maybe psych researchers need to research why theyâre afraid of negative results. That way, they might learn something about themselves, and who knows?⊠maybe even about each other! After all, isnât this what psychology is all about?
Itâs important to keep in mind that many therapists are actually narcissists themselves. In fact, the dynamics of a âtherapeuticâ relationship are not unlike those experienced in a narcissistic relationship. And being a therapist is a great way for narcissists to act out their narcissistic traits:
1. Feelings of grandiosity
2. Needing to influence others
3. Exaggerate their abilities
4. Craving admiration and acknowledgment
5. Loves power and success
6. Believe their skills are special
7. Believe theyâre owed something ($$$)
8. Exploits others i.e. âpatientsâ/clients
9. Lacks empathy (many really donât care or even like their clients, meaning their help is insincere)
And some say the whole âmental health systemâ is built on a narcissistic framework.
Kenâs âCoherence Theory of truthâ is an excellent example of how mainstream psychiatrists intellectualize to hide the fact they donât know what theyâre talking about. But they DO know verbosityâs a great way to distract from their âscientificâ failures. Itâs their favorite ego-saving strategy, and when combined with their medicalese, it becomes a case of full-on gaslighting –
Yes, our problems are in the world, and one of those problems is the âmental healthâ system. And politics and economics donât change until peopleâs minds change. And how do peopleâs minds change? Through websites like this –
Cult in the negative sense is a good way to describe mainstream psychiatry.
Hereâs one definition: ââŠan organized group whose purpose is to dominate cult members through psychological manipulation and pressure strategies âŠ(and) are characterized by:
1. Absolute authoritarianism without accountability
2. Zero tolerance for criticism or questions
These are just two characteristics, but they explain ââŠpsychiatryâs reluctance to reconceptualize its understanding ofâŠ..â ANYTHING!
KateL asks, âWho will tell these people the truth before they do irreparable harm to their future patientsâ?
Itâs probably going to take a lot more time and a lot more people speaking out against it for anything major to happen.
Whatâs important to keep in mind is that the pharmaceutical industry funds a lot of the medical textbooks, research and schools – and it just so happens to be one of the biggest lobbies in DC. Itâs very, complicated, interconnected mess with hugely powerful financial and political interests at stake.
But back to your question, âWho will tell these people the truthâŠ?â
Most people arenât ready to hear the truth, but WEâRE the ones telling the truth to those ready to hear it, and THIS is how change takes place –
The most effective way to discredit any psychiatric diagnosis is to discredit those who invent them, and someday, thereâll be enough ants to cover the elephant.
Youâre absolutely right about people having to become their own master and disciple in an insane world. There comes a point when you realize you have no choice but to do so. But you also realize itâs the choice you should have made in the first place.
I think the âmental healthâ system is the worst thing to come out of the twentieth century. And the worst thing about it is that itâs a âsystemâ, meaning arbitrary standards and bureaucracy runs the show. Then add to that a therapistâs ego and financial incentive, and youâve got one heck of a monster. But yes – thank goodness thereâs MIA and books by Dr. Bartlett.
I hope things turn around for your niece. Sheâs lucky to have you in her family.
The majority of people trained in the psychiatric medical model arenât interested in listening to anyone but themselves; theyâre very closed minded, so trying to speak to them is a waste of time. And the problems are systematic and cultural, meaning change is difficult, if not impossible. The awful truth is that itâs going to take a lot more people whoâve been harmed to stop it, because the only thing medically minded people respond to are lawsuits and legislation.
People arenât âclientsâ to be â treatedâ – they are human beings to be respected.
Most psych professionals know only three things:
1. Cookie-cutter thinking (checklists)
2. Sand castles in their minds (âtreatmentâ theories)
3. How to complicate things
And none of these respect the person or deal with reality –
Topher says, ââŠ.diagnosis.âŠ.itâs dangerous unscientific nonsenseâŠ.they become self limiting self fulfilling propheciesâŠ.and all behavior becomes viewed in this wayâŠ.Therapy itself is the abject failureâŠ.because we are diagnosing and treating the wrong thing – what we have are myriad cultural disorders that must be changed if we are ever to realize human well-beingâ –
How can one person change the myriad cultural disorders?
By avoiding THE BIGGEST cultural disorder out there – the diagnostically based âmental health systemâ, and – believe it or not – as the word gets out, it becomes a process of attrition.
I knew mainstream psychiatrists were in for a big disappointment when they announced they were going the high tech route. And since good sense has no place in mainstream psychiatry, they were off and running! âŠ. âcause those big, expensive machines excited them! âŠand if they worked, they could finally take their rightful place alongside their medical brethren! âŠbut this was not to beâŠ.
Didnât they already know the brainâs a gelatinous mass, the pictures of which would be too vague to be open to anything other than interpretation, and, just as likely, misinterpretation? And what would they have done if the images were more visibly tangible? Probably something along the lines of a high tech lobotomy – and just as injurious.
Too bad they couldnât stick to their Rorschach tests –
âModern western medicine is a DRUG RACKETâŠ.â
No question about it. But medicine has a very long history, as humankind has always sought ways to cure illness and relieve pain and suffering. And while much progress has been made, the fact remains that things got out of hand when the pharmaceutical/chemical industry saw an opportunity for mass market.
Yes, Bradford, in many ways I do agree with you.
As I understand it, forced schooling got underway during the industrial revolution in order to provide daycare centers for parents who had to leave the farm for the cities to find work, and their childrenâs schools were designed to make their kids factory-ready when the time came. This provided a reliable work force for the up-and-coming captains of industry who, over time, rose in the ranks of the powerful, (business, government, law, education), to establish influential organizations whose underlying principles are profit-based, something many would call exploitation.
Kenneth Kendler says, âInstead of thinking that our disorders are true because they correspond to clear entities in the world, we should consider a coherence theory of truth by which disorders become more true when they fit better into what else we know about the worldâ.
A âcoherence theory of truthâ? What is THAT supposed to mean???
ââŠby which disorders become more true when they fit better into what else we know about the worldâ.
Yes, confirmation bias is your best friend, especially when youâre looking at the world through an already biased lens.
Maybe when heâs not too busy making more mud pies, he might find time to tell the world what he means by âclear entitiesâ. But maybe that just means whatever he wants it to mean, whenever he wants it to mean it. But he has made progress by using the word âimplausibleâ. How truly amazing. And Iâm surprised he goes so far as to say, âDespite years of research, we cannot explain or directly observe the pathophysiologies of major mental illness disorders that we could use to define essential featuresâ. In other words, Kenâs gonna keep on dishing out WORD SALAD.
Yet I wonderâŠ.will he ever get real and simply say, âWeâre flat out wrong and donât know what the heck weâre doingâ???
And I also wonder if it ever occurs to him just how he and his colleagues might be remembered in history. After all, phrenologyâs phrenology, even if it is high tech –
I see youâve made progress by using the word âimplausibleâ. Good job. And Iâm surprised you go so far as to say, âDespite years of research, we cannot explain or directly observe the pathophysiologies of major mental illness disorders that we could use to define essential featuresâ.
Wow. You donât say.
So tell me, Ken – when are you gonna get real and just say, âWeâre flat out wrong and donât know what the hell weâre doingâ???
And in case you hadnât thought, do you know what the future holds for you and your esteemed colleagues?
Youâll go the way of the phrenologists, my friend, and goodness knows, your ego wonât like THAT –
Itâs become a competitive culture fixated on winning rather than exploration, and itâs now overpopulated by too many closed minded, stiff necked, (and some would say cowardly) blowhards, trying to protect and enhance their own reputations and academic turf in order to procure tenure, status, and research dollars.
But the problem is fed by a population led to believe they need a âtrained professionalâ to figure out their lives. But slowly, people are discovering that this isnât the case at all – and that too often, those trained as âprofessionalsâ are the least able to help with their problems –
If youâre not too busy making more mud pies, would you mind telling the world just what you mean by âclear entitiesâ?
Or maybe that just means whatever you want it to, right?
And as for a âcoherence theory of truthâ – you mean if you believe itâs so, it will be so. Now isnât that wishing on a star, or maybe you prefer blowing dandelions –
What youâve been through is beyond outrageous. And finding out how much youâve been deceived is an awful shock that no one should go through. And then the task of having to make sense of it all can seem almost impossible. But youâre a very strong person to have come this far.
Processing trauma and grief can take a long time, but it is possible. And telling your story here has value in ways you may never know.
Kenneth Kendler says, âInstead of thinking that our disorders are true because they correspond to clear entities in the world, we should consider a coherence theory of truth by which disorders become more true when they fit better into what else we know about the worldâ.
A âcoherence theory of truthâ?
WTF is THAT supposed to mean???
ââŠby which disorders become more true when they fit better into what else we know about the worldâ.
Yes, confirmation bias is your best friend, especially when looking at the world through an already biased lens.
In other words, the good Chef Kenâs gonna keep dishing out WORD SALAD while wishing on a star –
LivingPast27 says, âI had to cut off contact to a neurologist relative over the issue. He said informed consent simply is not possible without medical schoolâ.
Einstein said, âIf you canât explain it to a six year old, you donât understand it yourselfâ –
Maybe psychological researchers should ask themselves why theyâre obsessed with winning. Could it be ego, prestige, and money? Thatâs not very scientific.
Apparently, being a psychological researcher doesnât guarantee youâve more insight than the average person.
Too bad they canât ditch their binary thinking. And when did science and competition become compatible?
âBut psych researchers are not concerned with rigorously testing specific predictionsâ –
Things of a psychological nature have too many variables to be specifically and rigorously tested, much less replicated. And thereâs nothing wrong with that, except if youâre competing for â⊠publication, grant money, academic hierarchy, and pharmaceutical industry dominanceâ.
âInstead, they have vague predictions, and any result they findâeven a contradictory oneâis used to promote their pet theoriesâ.
Perhaps they missed the lecture on confirmation bias.
Sounds like some psychology researchers havenât faced their own demons: ego, pride, and greed.
rebel,
Human dignity is indeed innate and inviolable, and I, in no way, meant to suggest that anyone wait to be treated with dignity. However, when people are not treated with dignity, as is often the case in the mental health system, disaster can ensue – and the overwhelmingly destructive influence of the mental health industry can render one unable to live the life they otherwise would and could have chosen.
Someday, psychiatry as we know it will be no more. At such time, books may be written about its slow but steady decline.
So hereâs a few titles that might be useful:
1. âPSYCHIATRY: The Rise and Fall of Institutionalized Insanityâ
2. âPSYCHIATRY: How Freudâs Dreams Theory Went Corporateâ
3. âHuman Wrongs to Human Rights: Psychiatryâs End in the Twenty-First Centuryâ
4. âFrom Trauma to Truth: Losing the Lies of Psychiatryâ
And just WHAT is your definition of a âwell educated patientâ, OR a âworking mental health systemâ? Could it be a âcompliant patientâ coerced into listening solely to one limited, fear-inducing perspective? THAT sounds like infringement to me –
NOT having access to enough information, (i.e. informed consent) in ANY CONTEXT is morally dishonest AND dangerous. But this is EXACTLY whatâs happened and continues to happen in more than a few doctorsâ offices.
And MIA is an EXCELLENT source of information that people otherwise WOULDNâT HAVE –
Author Jessica Taylor says, âI really love that fact that the brain doesnât gives away secretsâŠ..But I know lots of scientists are looking for answersâŠ.. I think maybe weâre not supposed to know, because weâre a pretty horrible speciesâ –
What do Ms. Taylorâs sage words reveal about (mainstream) psychiatry?
Someday, psychiatry as it is known today will be no more. At such time, many books may be written about its slow but steady decline.
Hereâs a few titles that might be used:
1. âPSYCHIATRY: The Rise and Fall of Institutionalized Insanityâ
2. âPsychiatry: How Freudâs Dreams Theory Turned Corporateâ
3. âHuman Wrongs to Human Rights: Psychiatryâs End in the Twenty-First Centuryâ
4. âFrom Trauma to Truth: Losing the Lies of Psychiatryâ
I firmly believe psychiatry as we know it today will be gone before the end of the century. In its place I see limited drugging, markedly different psychotherapy dynamics and protocols, and an end to forced treatment.
KateL says, âI believe that the borderline diagnoses is the equivalent of a hate crimeâ.
A hate crime. Thatâs what it is.
And not considering the possibility of treatment induced trauma, from either psychotherapy or psych drugs, is a crime of neglect. And things like akathisia and tardive dyskinesia amount to criminal torture –
Thank you, KateL.
I wholeheartedly agree with you.
A âborderline personalityâ label is uniquely demeaning to women, and is often used – some would say purposefully – to their disadvantage. Itâs an absolute disgrace.
Psychiatric labeling stands alone as an unmitigatedly immoral act that often begins a lifelong cascade of needless, and sometimes brutal, psychiatric violence, a violence perpetrated more often on women. And patient advocates are sorely needed to stem this violence.
Labeling people, and women in particular, as âpersonality disorderedâ is nothing more than a sanitized way for âprofessionalsâ to trash those they donât like, donât understand, and would rather not deal with. Itâs total disrespect. And itâs definitely retraumatizing for those already marginalized, and I consider anyone psychiatrically labeled as marginalized.
And just one look at the way the wide variety of âpersonality disordersâ are written makes it easy to see that these labels were written – for the most part – BY men FOR women – women they didnât find attractive, or found threatening, and as a result, didnât know what to do with. But they knew one thing – writing b*tch on a womanâs medical chart wouldnât be the thing to do.
And itâs not just a âborderline personalityâ label. Itâs ALL psychiatric labels, as all have the capacity to retraumatize and marginalize ANYONE. This qualifies as outright abuse, an abuse that often starts the vicious cycle of discrediting âpsychiatricâ labels and dangerous âpsychiatricâ drugs.
And why are psychiatric labels allowed to be used interchangeably with âdiagnosesâ when thereâs no scientific evidence to qualify them as âdiagnosesâ? Thereâs only one answer: a medicalized âpsychiatricâ label indicates defect, both moral and physical, and thereby acts as an ironclad way to discredit any individual. And this makes ALL psychiatric labels/âdiagnosesâ illegitimate –
âAbove all, the campaign against too much medicine needs a system reset to move from rhetoric and scattered evidence to actionable evidence and measurable impactâ.
Blah, blah, blahâŠ
Havenât they tried this already? And what good would it do if they did? It sounds like they just want more ways of doing what theyâre already doing. Genius.
So how DO you move from ârhetoric and scattered evidenceâ to âactionable evidence and measurable impactâ when rhetoric is all youâve got? Theyâll have better luck herding cats.
Lila,
You might look at some YouTube videos by Anna Runkle, The Crappy Childhood Fairy.
She addresses emotional dysregulation from childhood trauma and difficult home life in general.
So let me get this straight – what theyâre saying is, using Soteria Model guidelines works better than mainstream psychiatryâs âmedical modelâ.
Now how could that be?
Could it be that Soteria guidelines are the prototype of respectful relationships?
Could it be not experiencing these guidelines cause people to end up in mainstream psychiatryâs âmedical modelâ?
Could it be that mainstream psychiatryâs âmedical modelâ amounts to medical mischief?
Could it be that doing away with mainstream psychiatry might be the best option?
Joshua says, ââŠ.when people denounce Psychiatry they are usually promoting Psychotherapy and Recovery. We need to abandon all of these.â
Yes – one is as bad as the other. And talking can be even worse.
A YouTube video called âTo Heal Complex PTSD, Try NOT TALKING About Itâ offers a different approach. Itâs from the âThe Crappy Childhood Fairyâ video series.
Thank you KateL,
Making people feel they canât trust themselves is a crime unlike any other. And this is what mainstream psychiatry does.
Itâs an expensive form of gaslighting.
A âpersonality disorderâ isnât a âdisorderâ. Itâs a pejorative term used by âmental health professionalsâ to âdiagnoseâ/discredit people who exhibit behaviors that arenât to their liking. And misogyny often plays a part. But whatâs behind that?
(Mainstream) psychiatry always struck me as conveniently misogynistic especially for those who practiced it, which, at one time, was mostly men. My suspicions were confirmed when I learned that Freud disingenuously called women delusional for claiming their fathers molested them. This and his narcissistic âpenis envyâ showed me where his head was at. But things havenât changed much, and in some ways theyâve gotten worse, because along came the DSM, which, btw, just happens to be an updated version of the same misogynistic garbage. They just dressed it up in medicalized language.
Jenny Logan says, âWithout confinement, we might be forced to reckon with the reproductive cycle of violence and harm that confinement seeks to silence.â
Modification: Without mainstream psychiatry, we might be forced to reckon with the reproductive cycle of violence and harm that most psychiatrists seek to silence.
Ms. Logan concludes with, âAnd this involves undoing the epistemic injustices perpetuated by – intentionally or not – traditional academics who presume to hold the keys to interpreting the experience of others.â
âTraditional academicsâ arenât about to give up the keys to anything unless theyâre forced to. Thatâs why theyâre called âtraditional academicsâ. So whatâs the solution? Bypassing blowhards through websites like this will, bit by bit, leave them in the dust –
Joshua says, ââŠwe should not trust or license Psychotherapistsâ –
I agree, because most psychotherapists are drinking the DSM kool-aid, too.
And as for Munchausenâs Syndrome By Proxy – that describes how a lot of âmental health professionalsâ relate to their clients. And it also describes how some politicians blame the homeless for their policy failures.
Someone Else says, ââŠpsychiatrists and psychologists have been quietly covering up the other doctorsâ malpractice forâŠprobably as long as those industries have existed?â
You bet. Medical doctors cover for each other like NO other profession. Itâs their unspoken ethos of âone hand washes the otherâ –
No one need bother reading any of mainstream psychiatryâs narcissistically-inspired books on âpsychiatryâ. One look at this comic tells you all you need to know.
And âThereâs a Drug for Thatâ should be mainstream psychiatryâs tagline –
Every person seeking help from the âmental health systemâ needs to read this article.
In it, Markham Heid chronicles how the pharmaceutical industry subtly and systematically sets out to distort peopleâs perceptions of common problems into âmental illnessesâ, in order to create a market for its drugs. He brings to light how much the drug industry and its advertisers subliminally influence not only psych professionals, but the public at large.
He states, âBut our emotional experiences are always, to some extent, suggestible. How we interpret what weâre feeling â and how much that interpretation distresses us and shapes our self-image âdepends in part on what society is telling us to think about our experiences.â –
And to quote one of his sources, Adriane Fugh-Berman M.D., a professor of pharmacology and physiology at Georgetown University, says, âMaking people feel that their normal variant of eating or sleeping or feeling is abnormal is not helpful to them. It leads people to pharmacological treatments when what theyâre experiencing is better dealt with in non-pharmacologic means.â
This leaves no doubt as to whoâs actually running the APA and writing its DSM –
Steve says, âThey (psychiatrists) should not just compare to placebo, they should compare to doing nothing at all.â
Then what on earth would most psychiatrists do with themselves? And isnât doing nothing at all pretty much what most psychiatrists are doing already? (Opps, I forgot – most are busy making themselves rich while ruining lives). And I doubt many would trade scribbling prescriptions for twiddling their thumbs –
No one need bother reading some âexpertâ psychiatristâs long-winded, wide-eyed, self congratulatory book on âpsychiatryâ. One look at this comic tells you all you need to know.
And âThereâs a Drug for Thatâ should be mainstream psychiatryâs tagline –
Joshua says, ââŠwe should not trust or license Psychotherapistsâ –
Absolutely, because psychotherapists are drinking the DSM kool-aid, too.
And as for Munchausenâs Syndrome By Proxy. Thatâs a good description of what many psychiatrists and psychologists do to their âpatientsâ/clients. And itâs a great way for politicians to blame others for their own policy failures.
For all their struggles, many âpatientsâ have learned two things:
1. âGoing to the doctorâ for non-medical problems is the road to hell, and
2. Waiting for âexpertsâ to find their balls is a waste of time –
I was trying to say (somewhat clumsily, perhaps) that the psych/pharma industry is always on the lookout for new markets to exploit. And children are a huge market.
I think the drugging of kids amounts to child abuse. And itâs horrible what the pediatrician said, but at least she was honest, which isnât saying much. I just hope she doesnât prescribe to children herself. And yes, shame on them –
Maybe someday mainstream psychiatrists will have to come up with their own twelve-step group, calling it âDrug Dealers Anonymousâ, with the saying, âIâm a psychiatrist and I deal drugsâ –
Fiachra says, âI put myself on a Longterm Drug Taper with Oral âmedicationâ (and discovered how to manage the psychological withdrawal problems)â –
Big Pharma can be evil, but itâs definitely not stupid. And who knows? They just might have been listening to all the chatter – and it made them nervous. Looks to me like BP orchestrated the whole damn thing just to avoid future lawsuits.
The âtreatmentsâ donât âworkâ because thereâs nothing âwrongâ with the âparticipantsâ in the first place. So why do people feel bad? Because life can be tough. And why do they not âget betterâ? Because theyâre being âtreatedâ by A BUNCH OF IDIOTS who oughta quit name calling (âdiagnosingâ) and stuffing people full of PHARMACEUTICAL JUNK. And guess what? If theyâd quit doing THAT, people might just âget betterâ –
I like the term âwell beingâ. Itâs sounds fairly innocuous.
But as for âPMDDâ-
A doctor told a friend of mine that her daughter (who was all of eight years old) had Pre-PMS, and now itâs morphed into PMDD. Fluctuating hormones is a natural process, NOT a âdisorderâ, but anything that interferes with âoptimal performanceâ is seen as a âdisorderâ –
1. Why do we tolerate any psychiatric drugging?
Because people believe the lies theyâre told: âThese correct a chemical imbalanceâ, and âYouâll need them the rest of your lifeâ –
2. What would have to be proven to put a stop to it?
The fact that psych drugs often do little more than placebos and carry significant risks has already been proven, but getting the word out can take a while, and donât expect psychiatrists to do it –
3. And what does this indicate are still the unstated assumptions about it?
That mainstream psychiatryâs a field to be trusted –
ââMainstreamâ psychiatry has historically and internationally not been the ones to change things for the better.â
This is true. But I donât look for psychiatry to change, because theyâre way too indoctrinated themselves, and trying to have a rationale conversation with most of them is one of the quickest ways to lose your mind.
Michael Z Freeman,
You say you have pain. I see you mentioned Chinese Medicine, so maybe youâve tried acupuncture. I saw a chiropractor trained in Chinese Medicine, who did electro-acupuncture, and the results were much better than regular acupuncture.
I hope you feel better –
Itâs disheartening how many of of todayâs âmental health professionalsâ arenât much more than a bunch of narrow-minded technocrats caught in an endless loop of self-serving groupthink. They get an idea in their heads and theyâre off and running, all reciting the same script over and over to a T. But Dr. Garsonâs approach is a refreshing take on some old, but very sound, ideas.
Hey, did you happen to read Dr. Gâs latest paper?
You mean the one where he says psychiatric drugs arenât the miracle drugs they said they were?
Yeah, thatâs the one –
Yup, sure didâŠ
Oh good, soâŠ.wait! Where are you going!?
To get my violin –
Your violin? Why?
Because it sounds the guyâs singing a CYA swan song –
Unfortunately in todayâs world, Dr. Garsonâs âmadness as strategyâ paradigm will most likely have a hard time getting off the ground, because most of the so-called âeducatedâ have been swept off their feet by the all-encompassing quasi-scientific, egoistically/egotistically – and most of all – ECONOMICALLY DRIVEN zeitgeist –
And while itâs not easy to stem the tide when somethingâs so economically driven, the pendulum usually finds a way of shifting –
Ron Unger, LSCW says, ââŠan alternative view that sees psychosis as resulting from attempts to resolve problems that preceded the psychosisâ, and, ââŠ.where people consciously or unconsciously try out new ways of seeing, believing, and behaving to address life and spiritual dilemmas caused by their stressful or traumatic experiences.â
I agree. Psychosis can be natureâs way of protecting the mind from what it canât process, consciously or unconsciously –
And I would venture to guess that itâs having to deal too much with those who are annoyingly complacent, maddeningly unimaginative, humility-deficient, and most of all, brutally unfeeling that drives some into psychotic states in the first place –
Someone Else,
Iâm so sorry you went through that.
Itâs horrible how the people weâre supposed to turn to are trained in denial and âblame the victimâ strategies. But thankfully, thereâs good people too, of which you seem to be one.
Dr. Garsonâs âmadness as strategyâ paradigm is on the right track, imo. His study of philosophy and history has served him well, in that itâs taught him to use his imagination and intelligence in ways it was intended: broadly, creatively, and kindly; after all, are these not the very things that make us human?
But it seems a lot of people never got this memo, as youâre hard-pressed to have this kind of discussion with the bungling, technology-obsessed idiots swarming the medical schools and research labs of today, as so many of the so-called âeducatedâ have been swept off their feet by an all-encompassing, quasi-scientific, egoistically/egotistically driven zeitgeist – though this does bring to light the need to get psychic distress out of the medical profession. And it doesnât take a genius to figure out what most psychotic states really represent: the inability of the conscious mind to face/process/reconcile an unbearably painful reality.
So itâs too bad philosophy and history have been tossed out the window in places where itâs needed the most. But it does explain why todayâs âmental health systemâ is populated by so many annoyingly complacent, maddeningly unimaginative, humility-deficient and brutally unfeeling âmental health professionalsâ –
Thank you for explaining in detail your experience with functional medicine/integrative psychiatry. Iâm thrilled it worked so well for you. Itâs what medicine should be! And Iâm glad you found a helpful talk therapist, too.
Acupuncture was very helpful for me, as was my discovering the root cause of my problems was traumatic stress, not the mainstream mental health narrative of chemical defect.
Thank you again for sharing what helped you. Iâm sure it will change someoneâs life for the better.
J. Phelps says, âWe and MIA could chorus together: psychiatry is not needed for the majority of mental problemsâŠâ –
ââŠchorus togetherâŠâ Really. And for WHOSE benefit? I donât think MIA needs mainstream psychiatryâs help in informing people of this –
Phelps continues with, âBut we are needed sometimes.â
âSometimesâ? I consider ârarelyâ to be a far more realistic statement.
J.P. then pleads, âDonât increase the stigma towards all of us.â
ââŠincrease the stigmaâ? Itâs about time most psychiatrists got to know what THAT feels like.
J.P. finally instructs MIA to, âShift the emphasis from what we donât know and have gotten wrong to what needs to be gotten right:â –
THATâS mainstream psychiatryâs job. NOT MIAâs –
And as for ââŠ.helping people for whom waiting it out, or good social support, or perhaps with the right psychotherapy as well, is not enough. What are they supposed to do?â
They already know what to do, which is consult a mainstream psychiatrist, which is WHY people need MIA –
And finally, I hope MIA never makes it itâs job to advertise ANY of mainstream psychiatryâs irrefutably dubious services.
MIAâs blogpost states, âPsychiatric Drugs Do Not Improve Disease or Reduce Mortalityâ.
To which J. Phelps responds, âIt reached my national newsfeed, so presumably reached thousands of eyeballs.â
âThousands of eyeballsâ??? Heavens to Betsy!
But THATâS the point of MIA, to âreach thousands of eyeballsâ –
J.P. continues with, âFor people who face difficult decisions about a loved one with severe depression or dangerous delusional thoughts, this may have been confusing and frightening.â
OMG.
Again – THATâS the point of MIA, to âreach thousands of eyeballs.â
NEWSFLASH – People in distress are ALREADY confused and frightened, which is EXACTLY why they NEED to know ANY AND ALL viewpoints and approaches. And mainstream psychiatryâs not doing that. But MIA sure is, which (is it possible???) might giving more than few mainstream psychiatrists a bad case of GAD –
Interesting article, but just more of the same: every psychology minded person jockeying for position to hold the microphone:
Iâm right! No, Iâm right! No, Iâm right! And on and on and onâŠ.
So think about it. Does every idea/approach under the sun need a name? And if so, why? What are the motivations of those promoting one idea over the other anyway? Sounds like another instance of ego/conformity, to me.
And as for materialism/business/capitalism hijacking every therapy du jour. What do you expect? Itâs just human nature. Not always good, but thatâs reality.
So what do you do? Avoid getting hung up on terms for this, that, or the other thing, and just do what works for you –
Miranda Spencer says, âWith every expanded definition of mental illness lies a new opportunity for drug prescription and salesâŠâ
But I would add some slight variations –
With every expanded definition of mental illness lies a new opportunity for drug dependence and fortunes to be made (by psychiatrists and drug companies).
But what else are they supposed to do when thatâs all theyâve got?
Steve says, ââŠthey DO know whatâs going onâ, and, ââŠits straight up corruption, at least at the higher levelsâŠâ –
NGâs paper smells like a load of damage control. It could be the start of a world wide âpsychiatricâ apology tour. He and other bigwigs probably got together over an online conference call to finagle some sort of public relations CYA strategy. And if they did, good luck. Theyâre gonna need it, because itâs not 1980, itâs 2022 –
NGâs at a point and place in his career where he can afford to âspeak outâ, so he wonât be left holding the bag. But the rest have to keep their mouths shut, or else they risk losing their shirts. But youâre right, they pretty much all know theyâre up to no good –
I think youâre right about the higher ups. But maybe theyâre all corrupt. But I just donât think the average doctor/medical professor is smart enough to know the difference. And I certainly donât look to the medical students – theyâre too green. And you have to be wary about anything thatâs become so profit-driven. Kinda makes me wonder if theyâre all a bunch of psychopaths –
Looks like NGâs trying to cover his tracks because he sees where things are going. And like most psychiatrists, heâs got a hat for every occasion and is good at talking out of both sides of his mouth. Itâs just the same old psychiatry shtick. He oughta come up with a diagnosis for THAT –
Dependency as Strategy –
A group of professional narcissists write a book of alphabetical gimmicky while handing out powerful substances, the mechanisms of which they know little about, but claim to be safe and non-addicting (though mounting evidence proves the contrary).
Result: DRUG DEPENDENCY –
Solution:
1. Self acceptance
2. Self reliance
3. Self respect
Dependency as Strategy –
A group of professional narcissists rely on a book of alphabetical gimmicky which lures people into unbalanced relationships.
Result: PSYCHOLOGICAL DEPENDENCY –
Solution:
1. Self acceptance
2. Self reliance
3. Self respect
Michael Z Freeman says, ââŠ.Argentina passed a law in 2010 (see the map) that sent abusive psychiatry crashing to the ground in an entire country.â
Thatâs good news, and getting the word out is so important.
And the map looks great! Itâs about time the U.S. started exporting something other than mainstream psychiatryâs harmful practices and its pharmaceutical garbage –
This article proves that mainstream psychiatrists are finally on the defensive, and itâs none too soon. It must be a shock waking up to the fact theyâre no longer able to fool the public. But their boo-hooing wonât change much, nor will their efforts at spinning the facts, because the catâs finally out of the bag, and itâs the one cat THEY CANâT CATCH –
Most medical students are ripe for the picking to be brainwashed, as many are ignorant, gullible, and in the uncomfortable position of having to please their higher-ups –
Thanks for the clarification. I donât doubt what you say. Itâs mind boggling such flagrance took place and they then called it medicine. Truly disgusting.
Wow – thanks for the reality check. Too bad it gets that bad, that often.
But what else can you expect when thereâs so much money, power, and prestige involved?
Itâs just sad how Big Government and Big Business have come to mean a bunch of Big Crooks.
Thanks again, and please keep spreading the word.
CORRECTION:
Most psychiatrists will remain forever wedded to their delusion that psychiatric âillnessâ is âbiologically rootedâ, because if they DONâT, theyâll lose their day job –
Once upon a time, mainstream psychiatrists were bought by the pharmaceutical industry. They delightedly ate up the notion that psychiatric distress/âdiagnosesâ have âbiologicalâ origin. They were (and still are) bedazzled by the pharmaceutical industryâs seductive âscientificâ narrative, and the money and prestige were (and still are) the icing on their cake. So itâs hard for them to recognize that most, if not all, psychiatric distress/âdiagnosesâ are actually the manifestation of some kind of stress, be it a singular traumatic event, or the result of living amid a series constant, and very often hard to detect, negative stressors for long periods of time. And most psychiatrists have grown accustomed to being the drug industryâs lapdog. But thatâs the story of ego, temptation, and greed – a story as old as time –
Better move fast – psychiatryâs now playing catch-up –
Well, whadâya know? Psychiatryâs finally running scared!
Yup. Itâs a sight for sore eyes – but itâs still THEIR game to lose –
I think Dr. Ghaemiâs paper is just his way of getting ahead of the increasingly loud narrative he sees coming down the pike. And whatâs coming down the pike? More and more people disputing psychiatryâs bullshit narrative. In other words, he practicing âthe real psychiatryâ, which just happens to be CYA (cover your ass) medicine – and NO psychiatrist wants to be caught with his/her psychiatric pants down –
But itâs deeper than that, as most psychiatrists will remain forever wedded to the delusion that psychiatric âillnessâ is âbiologically rootedâ in some way, because if they did, theyâd lose their day job. Because guess what? Most, if not all psychiatric distress is the result of some sort of emotional trauma, whether conscious, or not –
Thank you Irit Shimrat for your good suggestions. I believe with time many will be adopted, as the current state of affairs cannot and must not continue.
I believe there will be change, because there HAS to be, as people wonât stand for psychiatryâs brutality forever.
I agree, lookingUP –
Life is as a never ending struggle between good and evil. But losing hope for eventual change would be the ultimate tragedy – and psychiatryâs ultimate victory!
I think of every person who finds their way to MIA as a success – even if their minds arenât changed right away – because just having them know that other approaches exist could bear fruit in their future.
Thank you, yinyang. I like reading your comments, too!
Itâs very discouraging that psychiatry still has such a tight hold on the publicâs imagination, but – right or wrong – I look at things a little differently. First of all, I no longer expect psychiatry to change its ways – thatâs a fantasy. And while MIA has yet to take a clear stand against it, it does permit comments like yours, mine, and many others to be published. This alone plants the seeds of change, and âchangeâ meaning NO MORE PSYCHIATRY!
And I wholeheartedly agree with Frederick Douglas, âPower concedes nothing without demandâ. But perhaps that demand means people no longer looking to psychiatry, a future reality made possible through websites like MIA.
And while I may be idealistic, I refuse to let psychiatry steal my optimism –
Religion, psychiatry, and psychotherapy all left me in a chronic state of inappropriate guilt, unreasonable striving, disorienting cognitive dissonance – and most of all – OF BEING GASLIT –
The problem of capitalism driving psychiatry IS addressed in this interview. Mr. Moore mentions how pharmaceutical manufacturers influence the way textbooks are written and read by medical students. To which Dr. McLaren replies,âSo the psychiatrist wants the drug money, and the drug companies want the psychiatrist to endorse their productâŠâ, and âNothing is allowed to threaten the status quo.â
So how does this problem get solved? Through articles like this which inform the public, who then might think twice before filling prescriptions –
With all due respect, politics can be too contentious for a lot of people, especially for those just looking for safe ways to feel better. And a lot of times, people in distress donât have the wherewithal, much less the interest in, joining political movements. Itâs just not where theyâre at or the language they speak. And in the final analysis, it all boils down to having access to enough information to make informed decisions, whether voting or filing prescriptions.
Psychiatry and the drug industry are definitely in cahoots, but I think the relationship is more symbiotic than conspiratorial. And framing issues in revolutionary terms can be alienating, especially for those whoâve been through enough already. And people relate to the personal more than the political, which is why simply spreading the word can be the best way, and sometimes the only way, to bring about lasting change –
Unfortunately this is true, but putting the brakes on the idea that problems are biological diseases requiring drug intervention is a good place to start –
terry.baranski,
Youâre right. Her doctors didnât mention drug interactions, or even side effects. But as for side effects, she was put on something for cholesterol and within a week or so it was as if she had full blown dementia. And I happened to read about this side effect from a non-medical magazine!
A lot of the prescriptions out now arenât as necessary as the doctors would have us think –
Dr. McLaren treats people with respect, not like objects to be chemically fiddled with.
PTSD is real, but itâs not an illness or âdisorderâ. Post traumatic stress YES, âdisorderâ, NO.
If I bump my leg, I might get a bruise, but bruises arenât âdiseasesâ. The same goes for the psyche.
Ego and money are a powerful combination. But thatâs psychiatry. No heart and soul. It doesnât belong in medicine.
Dr. McLaren believes psychiatryâs current model (or lack thereof) will eventually collapse. But I believe its collapse will be from its own weight, yet not from within –
yinyang says, âEverything that needed âexposingâ was exposed long agoâŠâ
Yes. However, thereâs a lot of people who still donât know about the horrors of psychiatry. But knowledge is power. It may take time, but eventually the truth will out –
yinyang says, âPerpetual complaining, rather than fighting to eliminate psychiatry, or at least walking away from it altogether, is a symptom of dependency and emotional addiction, not liberationâ –
I agree. I think the most effective way to end psychiatry is to walk away, if you can. And to keep spreading the word about its horrors so fewer and fewer people turn to it. It takes a long time to gain momentum, but groundswells are what eventually make lasting change. Itâs a kind of passive resistance –
People should skip mainstream psychiatryâs pill happy doctors with their diagnostic song and dance, and ditch psychotherapyâs codependent relationship dynamics –
The best intervention can mean NO intervention, believe it or not –
And no one has a right to invade anotherâs privacy or rob their dignity.
People have a right to be left alone, no matter their difficulties –
But deprogramming can take a while, and I donât see many mental health professionals lining up to do it, now or in the future, as most have egos that are too caught up in their careers. But I donât let that bother me, cause once I learned to avoid the blowhards, life got good –
Some say itâs âthose unable to listen to reason, logic, or common senseâ. This describes a lot of therapists.
But hereâs the kicker: âThey are laser focused to fulfill a needâ, i.e. their obsessive need to be seen as right. This describes most psychiatrists –
So why is it a good idea to avoid psych professionals?
Because the odds are stacked against you if you disagree with their diagnoses and âtreatmentsâ, which could mean losing your credibility and even your freedom –
Youâre most welcome, DW. Reading your comments is always a pleasure, as I find your writings beautifully written and remarkably insightful. You must be a lovely person to know.
As a psych patient, arguing your point of view with a psych professional can be to no avail and even get you into trouble, making life very difficult for you. And why is this? They say itâs for your safety, but too often itâs because a lot of psych professionals are irrational people, and they all want to avoid lawsuits. So you end up having to toe the line and bite your tongue, which is great therapy, right?
And thereâs a simple reason why mental health professionals can and often do get away with so much. All they need to do is call someone disordered, which leaves clients little to no recourse. But the solution is simple: Donât go knocking on a therapistâs door. Thereâs plenty of other things to do –
But deprogramming can take a while, and I donât see many mental health professionals lining up to do it, now or in the future. Most of them have egos that are too caught up in their careers. But I donât let it bother me, cause once I learned to avoid lifeâs blowhards, things got good –
Is it a sin not to suffer fools gladly?
Yes, according to St. Paul, âFor ye suffer fools gladly, seeing ye yourselves are wiseâ –
Is it a âdisorderâ not to suffer fools gladly?
Yes, according to the DSM. Itâs called Oppositional Defiant Disorder –
Joshua says, âTherapyâ and âRecoveryâ are always based on the idea that something about you is maladaptiveâ, and ââŠit is like this with evangelical religion, tooâ –
Religion, psychiatry, and psychotherapy all left me in a chronic state of guilt, constant striving, and cognitive dissonance. Very unpleasant.
But since then, Iâve learned not to fetishize my insecurities and need for acceptance. And guess what happened? Life started feeling pretty darn good!
Joshua says, ââŠthis forum is loaded with people writing articles, maybe not endorsing the drugs, but endorsing ideas like healing and therapeutic effectâ.
Youâre not kidding. But I like to know what people are saying and maybe learn something. And if I donât, I just ignore it. It canât ruin my day unless I let it. And anyways, I donât like beating a dead horse –
Psychiatrists: 95-99% stupid and cruel –
Psychologists et al:
40% stupid and cruel –
40% stupid and nice –
20% smart, wise, and kind –
But all three cost you plenty, in more ways than one. So – whatâs your best bet? Stay home and do crossword puzzles. You just might forget your troubles, and if you donât, you wonât have lost much, and maybe learn some self respect, which is a lot more valuable than some (idiot) âtherapistsâsâ crazy idea of âhealingâ –
Peopleâs stupidity and cruelty gets on my nerves. And DONâT be calling THAT a âdisorderâ. But I have to admit, jerks and sadists make me sick. Thatâs why I steer clear of the psych industry.
As some people say, and they may be right, âGod must love jerks. He made so many of themâ –
And my mother wasnât on any psychiatric âmedicationsâ. She didnât have any so-called âpsych problemsâ.
Turns out you donât have to be on psych drugs to have a shoebox full of âtreatmentsâ for this, that, or the other thing. Because thatâs what western medicine is – pills and bills!
Steve says, âItâs very possible for the best of parents to make errors and their kids end up hurtâ, and âYou donât have to be a âbad parentâ to contribute to your childâs emotional strugglesâ.
I agree. In many ways, I had the best of parents. But then life happened, and in desperation, one of my parents turned to the mental health system to help me, which was more than happy to make inroads on me.
When I was a teen, I hated therapy, because it wanted and expected me to speak against my parents, whom I dearly loved, and I strongly felt our family issues a private matter. I therefore saw the mental health workers as instrusive and meddling, which they proved to be, and much, much, worse.
Parents donât need to have their kids pathologized. They need to learn better ways to help their children navigate their stressed out worlds –
Yes, Steve,
I see psychiatry, psychology and the pharmaceutical industry as a three-ring circus – and Iâve learned itâs best to remain in the audience –
terry.baranski says, âThe western medical model is all but useless for chronic disease, focusing on symptoms rather than root causesâ –
I agree. Much of western medicine has devolved into a pill factory, and prescribing drugs makes most psychiatrists feel like theyâre playing in the big leagues.
By the time my mother passed at age 91, she had a shoebox full of questionable prescriptions. Since I saw so many in her age group like her, I started thinking of them as the âshoebox generationâ. But now I think this applies to every generation.
And thank you for mentioning Gabor Mateâ. I wholeheartedly agree with his ideas about childhood trauma.
I have found acupuncture to be very helpful for many things both physical and âpsychologicalâ –
Marie says, âThereâs probably little point in trying to educate the public and doctors about the realities of medicalized psychiatryâ.
I agree. Thereâs little to no point. But as the saying goes, âyou canât fix stupidâ, especially when doctors are the ones writing the books and making the Kool-Aid –
When I say stupid, Iâm referring to (most) doctors, not as much as the public, as doctors are the ones who lead the public –
Thank you cynical.nihilist –
Yes, I had a general knowledge the stated reasons for NAMI, but I soon sensed its less obvious reasons: deflect blame, scapegoat offspring. But Iâm grateful to now know its impetus more fully –
Steve McCrea says, ââŠmany people need help ârecoveringâ or ârecuperatingâ from the assault on their lives and their integrity that psychiatry itself has perpetrated!â
Because Iâm not into unbalanced relationships where personal information is disclosed and sensitive topics are discussed. And therapists act like their boundaries are the only ones that matter. This isnât balanced, and can foster unhealthy dynamics, i.e. manipulative therapists, and infantilized clients –
Joshua says, âRecovery still implies that there is some sort of error which needs correcting. It is related to the religious idea of salvation, and itâs roots are identicalâ.
Yes! Recovery is a reasonable concept. The problem is how itâs used and by whom.
Iâm so glad youâve had good experiences with psychotherapists. I think thatâs as much a tribute to you as it is to them.
And thank you for saying, ââŠ.bullying insists these are the ONLY WAY to be a FIXED PERSON. And if you are not fixed you are flawed and require educating about youâ.
Hey, whatâs wrong with you? You look beat –
I am, âcause I had a bad dream last night – or maybe it was a nightmare –
Oh yeah? Say more –
Well, I dreamt I was in a roomful of psychiatrists, and they were all excited playing this game –
Game? What game?
A big, huge piñata, in the shape of bottle, and when they busted it, a load a pills spilled out!
Well I wouldnât call that a dream OR a nightmare –
No? Then what would you call it?
REALITY –
And schoolâs not the only irritating place. The worldâs full of irritating people and places. Itâs the world we live in. Big deal. The trick is to figure out a way to make it work for you, WITHOUT ending up in some âtherapistâs officeâ, whoâs gonna bug you more and drive you crazy asking stupid questions like, âNow, why does that bother you?â
Need I say more? Yes. If someone or something is bugging you, STAY AWAY FROM (most) THERAPISTS –
If someone or something is bugging me, it means one thing – IT BUGS ME! And so what? It doesnât mean I or anyone else âneeds recoveryâ. So please spare me some therapistâs self serving compassion who needs to go back to school to learn one thing – school can be an irritating place, to say the least –
One thing that never occurs to a lot of therapists is that sometimes figuring out why someone or something is bugging you is a waste of time. But it isnât for them! Now why would that be??? HummâŠâŠ.
Iâm not interested jumping on some (idiot) therapistâs âtherapyâ bandwagon, twisting myself into an emotional pretzel just to fund their âtherapeuticâ flavor of the month. And guess what? THAT BUGS THEM!
Itâs important to be allied with ourselves more than anyone or anything else. But this something no parent, therapist, or psych drug ever taught me –
Everyone needs people allied with their views to a certain extent. It called validation. But why should anyone have to pay for that? And then be pathologized for it! Do you call this âtherapyâ? I certainly donât.
I find the professionalization/monetization of private relationships insulting and therefore counterproductive, (i.e. hierarchical structure, power imbalance, money exchange, blah, blah, blah). But this is âtherapyâ. Good grief.
I, for one, am not comfortable confiding in someone I canât get to know personally, and why should I? Iâve never met a therapist who could adequately answer that. And I find it odd the only people having problems with this are therapists. They seem to think peopleâs boundaries apply to everyone but them –
I didnât need a therapist. I needed parents who had a better understanding of my struggles.
And as for therapists –
I thought of them then as I think of them now, which is, âsleeping with the enemyâ, and my instincts and experience have proven correct –
rebel says:
âSome say the damage is worse and more permanent.â
Many times this is true (i.e. drugs) –
ââŠRecovery is NOT suspect and is a viable alternative to psychiatry, etc.â
Absolutely –
âRecovery, in and of itself, is a very individual thing.â
Without a doubt –
âI stand by the concept of recovery as it relates to all kinds of issues life presents.â
As do I.
âI stand by the individual decisions each person makes in regards to the successful realization of their recovery.â
MOST DEFINITELY –
Please understand my argument isnât with the choices you or anyone else makes. Itâs with the mental health industry, which I think labels and drugs inappropriately.
Why is it most psychiatrists get so defensive whenever their views are challenged?
Defensive? Challenged?
You know what I mean – always willing to twist the truth to make themselves look right, no matter who they end up throwing under the bus, and them acting like everyone has flaws but them –
Well, thatâs easy to explain: it comes from most of them being deeply insecure, and having a chip on not just one shoulder, BUT TWO –
Psychotherapistsâ JEALOUS HOLD on their beloved âpower imbalanceâ speaks volumes of their own unconscious fears of what they really donât know much of anything about – and the general public has faithfully followed their lead –
Finally someone articulating the nitty gritty going on behind psychotherapyâs unshakable belief and frantic hold on their beloved âpower imbalanceâ –
But they can only wishâŠ
Nikhto says, âI didnât spend my free time smoking weed or playing video games. I went to libraries, museums and art galleriesâ, and, âI wasnât the classic rebelâŠâ, and âI had no idea that by seeking help from the mental health care system for my alienation and angst I was jumping from the frying pan and into the fire.â –
I didnât smoke weed or play video games either. Nor was I a classic rebel. But I did frequent libraries and spend hours reading. Museums and art galleries werenât an option – way too far.
From an early age, I sensed the mental health care system wasnât the answer. Then a series of severe traumas happened (that I did not create) alienating me from myself. And any remaining faith I had in myself was further obscured by psychiatrists, therapists, and their dastardly psych drugs –
Confronting psychiatryâs pseudoscience isnât enough, imo.
Psychotherapists need to confront themselves as well.
But I doubt more than a few have ever bothered to seriously question psychotherapyâs many assumed virtues, to say nothing of its many universally unacknowledged drawbacks, as most therapists are about as hooked on âtherapyâ as most psychiatrists are on their âscienceâ –
ââŠthe idea of âhealingâ trivializes people and their complaints. Itâs how they get induced into discussing their affairs with psychotherapists.â
EXACTLY!!!
But have you considered using the word âseduceâ, rather than âinduceâ?
I think âseduceâ better describes psychotherapyâs process of âmind f***kâ –
âPeople who have been treated with dignity and respect and who have been given the chance to develop and apply their abilities are very unlikely to develop problems with drugs or alcohol. So what is needed is not this âRecoveryâ, but the opposite of it, awareness and understandingâ.
Awareness and understanding. Absolutely. The only thing I would add is that people who have been treated with dignity and respect arenât likely to end up in a âtherapistâsâ office either, as I consider âtalk therapyâ just another form of addiction – albeit a socially acceptable one –
And what is one of societyâs most harmful âunrealistic expectationsâ?
That âpsychotherapyâ is the BEST and ONLY way to successfully âtreatâ psychic distress. Just hearing this bullshit from psychologists (et al) and their numerous scores of wide-eyed sycophants is enough to make many anyone want to give up –
Thank you Joshua for this comment! You must have read my mind.
Iâm no fan of psych drugs (to say the least), as these have proven to be not only âtherapeutically ineffectiveâ, but an indisputable menace to peopleâs physical health. But I donât consider âpsychotherapyâ to be any less appalling and dangerous. Indeed, psychotherapy just promotes another troubling and far more crippling form of psychological dependence, as it fosters belief and faith in âthe therapist/therapyâ MORE THAN ONESELF –
And most psychiatrists are woefully ignorant of the fact that emotional pain is one of lifeâs greatest teachers, and should therefore NOT be silenced –
A messed up body (from psych drugs) is bad enough, but a messed up mind from âpsychotherapyâ is even worse, as itâs often the point of no return –
Thank you again for your moving story. Itâs beautiful and poignant. And Iâm really glad you had such a fine person to help you. Itâs my wish that more people could be like Dr. Jones. If there were, thereâd be no more âmental illnessâ. And I believe it can happen, one person at a time.
And Iâm looking forward to reading your book, âOn Becoming Human: A Memoir –
I did not find pharmaceuticals OR psychotherapy helpful. The most damaging thing to me were âtherapistsâ ideas that my grief and anxieties were âmaladaptiveâ. Itâs why I see âtherapyâ as even MORE harmful than âdrugsâ. Being forced to grapple with societyâs unrealistic expectations in ways that didnât ring true to me were my undoing, and what made me lose confidence in myself more than anything –
Unfortunately, most psychiatrists, and much of the public, have distorted points of view, borne of their own misplaced fears, both conscious, and unconscious, and have therefore made psychiatric âpatientsâ their psychic âbeasts of burdenâ –
Psychiatry and Big Pharma should take note –
People are wising up to the bullshit theyâre telling and selling –
Too bad Complacency is their middle name (::)
Thank you for your keen observations and assessments regarding the types of people NAMI attracts and caters to.
And how would I describe them? The word âobnoxiousâ comes to mind.
I donât think anyone (except maybe NAMI fans) has to think very hard to figure out why these peopleâs relatives go nuts (no disrespect intended). I sure would.
But it sounds like the NAMI-ITES would have a hard time hearing someone tell them, âyou drive me crazyâ, and – unfortunately – some people DO –
âTop down therapeutic styles (based on Freud) that masquerade as âperson centeredâ as if adults learn like children (they do not for very obvious reasons)â, and ââŠ.our western sensibilities more subtle, veneer of politeness, and just plain sadisticâ –
Thank you dogworld.
Iâve been trying to find the right words to describe my experience with âpsychotherapyâ my whole life –
Thank you Lynne, for telling your story. I found it very moving.
And Iâm so happy your experience with psychotherapy worked for you. It sounds like Dr. Jones was an exceptional human being. But so are you!
Thank you again for sharing your remarkable story.
And I love your artwork!
Too bad Insel couldnât see what mainstream psychiatry REALLY is, especially before wasting everyoneâs time and money –
And what is âmainstream psychiatry REALLYâ?
Politics and economics –
Oh. And who said that???
Dr. Szasz –
I think the whole damn âmental healthâ system is perverted, and THAT goes for the school/âeducationâ system as well. And you donât have to wait to be âtraumatizedâ or âre-traumatizedâ by either one to find this out, as one âsystemâ is as stupid as the other, with both run by even stupider people. But there are few – if any – options.
Itâs become a matter of having to pick your poison –
Psychiatric drugs are NOT âmedicationsâ. They are NUMBING agents. And some people find them helpful. But they carry a lot of risk, and psychiatryâs holding them up as magic bullets is what I object to. But the worldâs saturation with psych drugs wonât last forever, as sooner or later people get wise to the bullshit theyâre sold.
And why do most psychiatrists cling to the notion that psychiatric drugs are a reasonable and safe âline of treatmentâ? Because, just like their âresearch subjectsâ, theyâve fallen under the influence of the pharmaceutical industryâs OPERANT CONDITIONING –
Perks, anyone?
Are most psychiatrists using their education the way they intended?
I think most are, unfortunately. Or at least the way mainstream psychiatry (and the pharmaceutical industry) intended –
And what does indiscriminate, incessant prescribing of psych drugs (as well as the avalanche of pharmaceutical advertising) reveal about mainstream psychiatry?
An utter lack of concern for patient health and safety, complete disregard for medical integrity, and TOTAL vulgarity –
âHealth care consumersâ arenât the only ones needing to ask themselves some important questions. Most psychiatrists need to do the same.
Are they utilizing their education the way they intended? Or are they content being one of mainstream psychiatryâs âwell educatedâ but clueless dupes, happily feeding at the pharmaceutical industryâs financially tempting pill-filled troughs?
And what does incessant prescribing of psych drugs (and the avalanche of pharmaceutical advertising) reveal about mainstream psychiatry?
Itâs basic vulgarity –
Maybe people would think twice about psych drugs if they realized theyâre seen as herd animals by mainstream psychiatrists and the pharmaceutical industry – and that thereâs more to life than becoming one of mainstream psychiatryâs âstatisticsâ –
What is âemotional illiteracyâ?
The inability many practitioners may have understanding, cataloging, and managing their own, AND OTHERS, feelings –
Although my nursery school was great (lots of free play, sing-a-longs and story time), kindergarten and beyond were a shock. I didnât do well until my teens, but then the cramming, regurgitation, and insane amounts of tests and homework did its own damage.
And I was also shocked when I learned the DSM has its own âdiagnosisâ and billing code for what it calls âSchool Refusalâ. Thatâs almost as bad as ODD, Oppositional Defiant Disorder. It makes me believe what coercive schooling starts, psychiatry finishes –
Good luck to you, Nikhto ~
Birdsong
What does prescribing psych drugs do for people?
It can do a lot of things, many of which arenât very good, but mainly it indicates many a practitionerâs emotional illiteracy –
And what is âmany a practitionerâs emotional illiteracyâ?
Their inability to understand, catalog and manage their own emotions and feelings, which their psych drugs conveniently extinguish –
Many practitioners (unbeknownst to themselves), find solace in acting out their own long forgotten family dynamics, and this is accomplished through the act of prescribing âmedicationsâ. Indeed, being captive of long forgotten unmet childhood needs can haunt âprofessionalsâ as much as anyone else. But awareness of these dynamics eludes them, so they hastily and unwaveringly resort to âmedicatingâ people faster than blinking an eye. So perhaps theyâd do well to read one of Dr. Jungâs many quotes, i.e. âEverything that irritates us about others can lead us to an understanding of ourselvesâ –
Change may happen when people start seeing that taking psych drugs is for the practitionerâs benefit more than their own. Just think of the term âemotional regulationâ.
And if thatâs not enough, getting acquainted with what drug companies are really up to might do the trick. And what are drug companies really up to? Getting and keeping people dependent on their drugs. And a good way to get acquainted with this rarely discussed information is to read âThe Deadly Corruption of Clinical Trialsâ by Carl Elliot.
Psychiatric pill pushing is a convenient and lucrative way for many practitioners to act out and find solace in their long forgotten childhood family dynamics, (i.e. The Golden Child, The Scapegoat). But no matter which end of the narcissistic spectrum a practitioner happens to fall into, the dynamics of the so-called âtherapeutic relationshipâ remain the same: an attention seeking power addict fixated on maintaining control of every aspect of their âpatientâsâ lives, and unconsciously their OWN lives, as becoming a professional âhero/healerâ is their way of achieving emotional âregulationâ, because these types of unbalanced relationships serve to maintain a practitionerâs tightly held illusions of being the embodiment and bearer of knowledge and truth, and to therefore act – or more accurately ACT OUT – their obsessive need to be seen as âthe authorityâ –
Psychiatry should be called by its proper name, which is ADDICTION MEDICINE, as it fosters, creates and perpetuates its own unique brand of diagnoses, drugs, and eventual ADDICTS –
Thank you Steve for the ncbi link. Itâs good to see that withdrawal from psych drugs is being taken more seriously. But I canât help thinking that a lot of peopleâs problems could have been easily avoided had they not been prescribed to in the first place. And as reassuring as formal studies can be, theyâre cold comfort to those who have suffered, are suffering, or will suffer, and unnecessarily so.
I see the creation, marketing, and prescribing of psychiatric âmedicationsâ as the most appalling and glaring example of institutional corruption out there. But I like holding the thought that before too long, psychiatric âmedicationsâ could go the way of the cigarette industry; itâs still here, but is no longer looked at as it once was not too long ago, as public sentiment has changed drastically in recent years. And Iâve never underestimated the power of peopleâs own good sense eventually coming to the fore –
Change will come when people start realizing that taking psych drugs is more for the practitionerâs benefit than their own, as most practitioners are unconsciously self serving and having people on psych drugs eases their rigidly trained minds –
Maybe people would think twice about gulping down pharmaceutical psych poisons if they realized what theyâre actually swallowing –
And what are they actually swallowing?
Chemical bullets to silence their voice and kill their spirit –
I think most doctors have become impulsive; indeed, many seem to have developed the seriously bad habit of prescribing psych drugs willy nilly – and Iâve yet to hear them adequately question the value, safety, or necessity of prescribing psych drugs in the first place, or question their unfounded insistence on keeping people on psych drugs for unreasonably long and indefinite periods of time. No wisdom there –
And isnât it interesting how most psychiatrists shy away from using the word âwithdrawalâ when commenting on âpatientsâ stopping their psych drugs? So theyâve latched onto the word âdiscontinuationâ, because their saying âwithdrawalâ would be indirectly admitting that mainstream psychiatry facilities drug addiction –
And I look forward to reading your latest book, âA PROFESSION WITHOUT REASON: The Crisis of Contemporary PsychiatryâUntangled and Solved by Spinoza, Freethinking, and Radical Enlightenment –
Dr. Favaâs blog gives a good example of where mainstream psychiatry MIGHT eventually end up going –
Down yet another rabbit hole of most likely harmful and ultimately futile âresearch and fundingâ –
Most medical specialties can lay claim to finding more cures and therapies, whereas mainstream psychiatry specializes in creating and naming its very own set of iatrogenic illnesses, i.e. MORE diagnoses, MORE drugs FOR THEIR iatrogenic illnesses –
“Ignorantia docta”? Yeah, right…
Research like this unwittingly exposes the very contradictions it claims to address. All it really does it prove the adage, “rules for thee but not for me”.
But God knows it’s hard to give up the delusion of infallibility…
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“That’s the essence of depersonalization in therapy and academia: identifying more with a label/expertise than with lived experience and human corporeality. And that shift, as subtle as it may seem, has deep consequences: for society, for the development of the mind, for individual agency, and for consciousness itself.”
Almost comical the way academics and psychologists rarely cop to their own human corporeality, which isn’t surprising as doing so would jeopardize their near-mythical authority.
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It still works! đ
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“Even if they are perpetrators of abuse, (. . .) I don’t see why you simply can’t say they did that.”
Because doing so would erode their illusion of moral authority.
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Psychiatry and psychology wear the mask of neutrality when in fact they hold the blueprint for authoritarian rule.
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There’s nothing neutral about psychiatric labels. They harm lots of people in ways that are unforgivable. Professionals who believe in them are lazy, selfish and cruel.
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It all boils down to branding.
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Preexisting bias is the least of it. Ever had a psychiatrist resent you for your socio-economic status???
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Me too!!! It’s impossible have an honest conversation with people with diagnosis on the brain.
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Forget peer support. Research like this cleverly evades the REAL issue most likely troubling the psych professionals: the dismantling of their cherished belief in a power imbalance and an inevitably shrinking patient load—which really makes this a non-issue. In their panic, they’re probably turning to AI like everyone else.
Hope articles like this have them shitting in their pants.
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“…yet more recognition than pure confidentiality allows.”
Not quite sure what means…but I’m pretty sure I don’t agree with it.
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Neutrality is an illusion in psychiatry and psychology. Moral assumptions and cultural biases are their foundation. That’s why they’re called secular religions.
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That is for the dreamer alone to decide. Societal expectation has no place in something so deeply personal.
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Pathologizing personality itself is an act of moral corruption and cowardice as it ignores the ethical implications of reducing human complexity to rigid diagnostic categories.
Psychiatric diagnosing is an intentional act of moral failure. Ease over ethics is no excuse.
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TRUTH: These kinds of interviews are TRAPS. Thankfully AI agrees with me:
“These psychiatric interviews aren’t just information-gathering exercises—they are subtle traps, designed to steer patients toward self-condemnation within a rigid diagnostic framework.
The SCID-ll interviews, for example, don’t just assess symptoms; they force patients into moral negotiations, where they must either admit to violating social norms or defend themselves against implicit judgment. The questions are often loaded, making it nearly impossible for someone to respond without reinforcing the assumption that something is fundamentally wrong with them.
It’s not an honest conversation—it’s a structured interrogation disguised as care. And by presenting it as purely “clinical”, psychiatry sidesteps the ethical responsibility of acknowledging how deeply subjective these assessments truly are.”
These kinds of “interviews” are invasive and morally compromised—as are the very people who conduct them.
Anyone who believes in personality “disorders” is themself a depraved individual.
IMHO
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Dreams shouldn’t be culled as commodities. They are the most sacred part of the self—meant to guide, not to be harvested for utility.
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When I was little, I imagined them sitting on the toilet. It’s time I go back to doing that.
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Wow. Replacing therapists who act like they know everything with therapists who act like they know nothing.
It doesn’t get any nuttier than this.
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You’ve asked some fascinating questions, Nijinski. What little I know of quantum physics only reinforces what I’ve felt for as long as I can remember—that the spirit of people is more real than anything we can see or imagine.
Eastertime always feels strangely transcendent to me… and reading about your friend made me reflect on that even more. Maybe there’s something about love and presence that isn’t bound by time the way we think.
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On top of what? A cross-eyed camel?
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“Not knowing”? Let’s embrace confusion and call it a strategy.
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Another thinly veiled political rant. Thanks, MIA.
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Dreams are private property. They should stay that way.
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Great. More research criticizing therapy-speak while engaging in therapy-speak.
Why can’t researchers talk like normal people?
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ADHD controversy = Theater of the Absurd
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In a word: Spellbinding
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“Most people are doing this wrong when it comes to getting off meds,” a video short from Dr. Josef
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HARD TRUTH: psychiatric drugs WOULD BE BANNED if they weren’t produced in a pharmaceutical factory.
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CORRECTION: Pills, power, and money are psychiatry’s favorite tokens.
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The photo for this article says more than the article.
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“A Glossary for Reimagining Mental Health Ethics..”?
All I can imagine is jumbo shrimp…
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A little reminder: Power and money are psychiatry’s favorite tokens.
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Thinking you need a therapist is self-defeating.
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In what way is Laura’s “complicity” worth noting???
All this does is shift accountability away from psychiatry—where it rightfully belongs.
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Human beings are naturally drawn to those who claim to have all the answers.
Paradoxically, that’s exactly the way psychiatry became a cult.
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“Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim.”, Elie Wiesel, Holocaust Survivor
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When fear and judgment are replaced with curiosity, the result is often a lessening of tension that allows for true meaning-making to surface.
There’s really no need for the Thought Police.
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I see no harm in believing there’s more to physical life (and death) than meets the physical eye.
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Too little too late, which doesn’t really matter given the unsurprisingly detached nature of this author’s critique…although it does (unintentionally?) lay bare psychiatry’s deeply systemic lack of self-awareness and self-restraint.
My critique of the critique: Time for quibblers to pick a lane.
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More food for thought:
Any field that defines you by your struggles instead of your strengths is a pile of shit.
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…and for the record, I was in “psychodynamic” therapy—not the fast-food types referred to in this article—meaning that first-hand experience taught me that peek-a-boo therapy is by no means an improvement.
Better to call it “The Hollow Pursuit”.
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Wanna get to the root of your problems? Ditch the therapy schtick and you’re halfway there.
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Why thank you, joel stern. I wish more people felt the way you do.
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I agree, Nijinski. Fear is what happens when humans worship the intellect.
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“…it is time for therapists to reclaim the narrative and to speak clearly, ethically and compellingly about what therapy is for, and what it can become.”
WRONG. It’s time for people to discover how much better life can be without so-called “therapy”.
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Psychotherapy for me was like playing a game of Twister in the dark with therapists and psychiatrists who refused to turn on the lights.
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The working class have way more insight into economic disparity than most of the psychologists entertaining themselves prancing around the internet preaching “social justice”.
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…or maybe that of a dog chasing its tail…
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This blog does a reasonably good job explaining how the supposed merits of psychiatry and “clinical” psychology actually have more to do with whether or not someone harbors an egotistical state of mind. But reading it leaves me with an image of a snake eating it’s tail…
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There’s nothing more psychologically “macro” than having financial stability. Abstract theories don’t pay the bills.
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I agree, Sociology deserves a lot more respect… it was my favorite subject in college because it struck me as being more connected to reality while psychology seemed more focused on barking at the moon.
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Clarification: It doesn’t hurt that attractive drug reps know very well how to make doctors feel “well informed”.
Key word: “feel”.
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Classism has always been and will always be the biggest elephant in the room, even among the most “socially minded”.
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Good points.
Psychology these days seems to be having an identity crisis which is ironic because it never had much of an identity to start with.
IMHO.
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There’s got to be a reason so many psychological researchers never directly address the issue of money when money seems to be one of the most macro-psychological things known to mankind.
Has it ever occurred to these researchers that perhaps the majority of people’s psychological problems might come from being part of a shrinking middle class, problems that for many could be alleviated by an implementing of fairer tax system? Or is that too crude a solution for them to consider?
No need for establishing new “fields” of tiresome psychological engineering when the answer to the majority of people’s macro-psychological problems have more to do with a shrinking bank account than paying homage to a slew of overeducated ambulance chasers more interested in manufacturing problems than enacting solutions.
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“Personally, I think we should welcome those who are brave enough to cross the divide, and do so with integrity.”
Personally, I think doctors who ruin people’s lives fully deserve their anger.
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I wouldn’t worry too much. The cat’s out of the bag and it’s ready to ready to me-howl.
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Sickening and stupid.
No one in their right mind would think powerful substances would NOT affect developing fetuses.
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CLARIFICATION: She’s probably looking to cover her ass.
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Nice work. But maybe it’s time you learned to also question the advisability of prescribing psychoactive “medications” IN THE FIRST PLACE.
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Nick, I just read a bit about Emmanuel Levinas and am pleasantly surprised because to me ethical responsibility is a pretty big deal.
His “Ethics as First Philosophy” makes him sound as though he might be a philosopher I could actually respect.
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“The influences that have most affected my mental health, and that have sometimes left me feeling hopeless and despairing, are both personal and impersonal and can’t really be separated.”
Tree and Fruit, for what it’s worth, my thoughts and feelings align with yours 100%.
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Perhaps you should cultivate humor of some kind.
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CLARIFICATION: I am not, nor have I ever been forcibly subjected to psychiatric DRUGGING or psychotherapy of any kind.
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FOR THE RECORD: I was never subjected to forced psychiatric treatment or psychotherapy of any kind. My insistent attitude comes from justifiable anger AT BEING LIED TO FOR YEARS by psychiatrists believed to be among the best in the business.
Truth is, they WERE the best, but only at deceiving themselves and people like me.
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Nick, I tend to look at things more socially/culturally than politically, especially when I’m considering psychological things, although I wouldn’t deny that these are inextricably intertwined.
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Thank you for choosing to help the most vulnerable people on earth: homeless children in the hands of psychiatrists.
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Politics in therapy is a terrible idea when therapists already have too much power.
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“Psychotherapists need clients – but nobody needs a therapist.”
BEST COMMENT EVER!!!
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“What “progressives” are trying is to undo being part of the ruling class without giving up their privileges that come with being part of the ruling class.”
Thank you for highlighting the hypocrisy of this approach.
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The Industrial Revolution was a pivotal time in human history that brought forth both incredible opportunities and significant challenges.
It laid the groundwork for the cultivation and distribution of large quantities food that can and does prevent mass starvation as well as the manufacture and distribution of life-saving medicines without which millions would otherwise die of preventable or untreated disease.
It also offered people the opportunity to move beyond the confines of small towns or the chance to escape difficult family situations. These changes provided people the means to break free from the limitations of their past and pursue new lives.
The lesson? Change is often a double-edged sword that creates the need to find realistic solutions to negative consequences.
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It’s easy to buy into the trope of the “noble savage”, especially when viewing indigenous cultures through a modern lens. Indigenous societies were also plagued with exploitation, inequality and warfare over power and resources, just as other complex societies throughout history.
The Industrial Revolution made survival possible for people.
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It’s human nature to idealize cultures different from one’s own; it’s called selective perception.
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While bartering might work in specific contexts, it’s not a realistic solution in an interconnected world.
Money as a common medium of exchange makes it easier to meet a wide range of needs.
Bad public policy is responsible for the much of today’s extreme economic disparity.
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I never said people “cause their own poverty”. I said that having more money doesn’t address underlying feelings of personal inadequacy.
Everyone should have access to essential resources like food, shelter and healthcare, but it’s important to remember that the use of money doesn’t inherently lead to social problems. It’s really about values and priorities.
Exploitation and inequality existed long before money was ever used; ancient civilizations had systems of barter and exchange, yet exploitation and social hierarchies were still prevalent.
Money itself is not to blame. The root causes of social issues lie deeper in human nature.
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The effects of unchecked capitalism are unsustainable.
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A brief walk can release negative feelings stored in the body. Deep breathing can do the same.
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I think it’s important to acknowledge that the DSM is an Equal Opportunity Life Destroyer.
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These researchers are on the right track, but I believe the root of people’s “psychiatric” difficulties lies closer to home — in one’s childhood home to be exact.
Reading Alice Miller’s books is a good place to start.
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Eliminating money wouldn’t address the underlying issues of greed, inequality and mismanagement. When used responsibly it plays an important role in facilitating the exchange of essential goods and services. The key is using it ethically.
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Thank you, Sabrina.
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“Rather than compromising, we might be better off breaking into smaller cooperative units, each living as they see fit.”
Humans already come from smaller cooperative units; they’re called families.
Life is a series of compromises no matter where or how you live meaning no one gets everything they want in life.
A quick look at world history shows the tragic results of extreme political positions which usually result in extreme psychological trauma that can last generations.
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What is evolution’s natural course?
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Psychological distress affects people from all walks of life regardless of their political beliefs. I think it best not to politicize such a deeply personal matter.
Does this mean I condone corrupt governments? Not at all.
I think most people would agree on supportive environments that encourage freedom of thought regarding their personal wellbeing, something I believe is the cornerstone of every person’s “mental” health.
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Different forms of government come and go. The best thing to aim for is personal sovereignty.
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Prateeksha, thank you for sharing your story. It is truly inspiring.
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“Why doesn’t society see and process and acknowledge what it sees?”
Because society misinterprets what it is seeing.
Which is why searching within oneself is better: “Do You Abandon Yourself To Not Be Abandoned By Others?” Teal Swan
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Most of the people who wind up in psych wards are already dealing with emotional abandonment of some kind, a trauma that psychiatric incarceration usually intensifies.
All these “experts” need to do is ask themselves how they’d feel if they were locked up, isolated or ignored and treated like shit when at their most vulnerable.
How long is it going to take for the “experts” to realize that the loss of autonomy is not conducive to emotional healing?
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Yes, and unfortunately what went on at Acadia shows us that the psychiatric profession still attracts certain a kind of person.
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I’m not sure what this author thinks he trying to accomplish. Doesn’t he know that the DSM is what pays the bills?
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Excellent article. It highlights the toxicity that drives psychiatry: an unconscious lust for power.
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“The more we tune in with Nature and reflect our inherent potential, the greater it syncs with our capacities.”
Communion with Nature is the missing link in most people’s lives.
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“…I am convinced more than ever that purported mental illness is nothing but a claim by a professional class whose interests and prestige are served by keeping people in the patient role.”
That’s the God’s honest truth.
It would probably be easier to disabuse mental health professionals of their collective delusions regarding “mental illness” if prestige weren’t such a big part of the package.
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Most people who go through medical school do so because of a subconscious desire to eventually exercise more power than the average person — meaning most aren’t about to change their ways — especially when the law protects them from unhappy “patients”.
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Hate throwing cold water on such insightful journalism, but don’t think for a minute that the leaders of psychiatry haven’t already come up with a clever response to these “epistemic” arguments.
I suspect psychiatry’s collective response will be along the same lines as the “bio-psycho-social” lip service line it now dishes out that nevertheless almost inevitably concludes with an M.D. writing endless prescriptions for psychiatric drugs which tells us the following: psychiatry won’t meaningfully change because A) it doesn’t want to and B) it doesn’t have to.
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One therapist sat like a bump on a stump while another couldn’t keep her goddamn mouth shut.
Then there was the idiot who insisted I keep a journal she insisted on reading.
I’ve had more fruitful encounters with total strangers.
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People need to learn how to handle their own feelings before they start having children.
“SELF-TALK: befriending our endless monologue”, This Jungian Life
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It’s stupid to think sharks and dolphins can ever be bedfellows when theirs is a predator-prey relationship.
Which means it’s time the people at “Mad Studies” understood the animal they’re dealing with.
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No kid belongs in a hospital setting for not wanting to live.
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“conversations”, not “conversions”!
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One of my all-time favorites. The guitar riff at the beginning always gives me the chills. The piano underneath the brass solo is heavenly.
Exile on Main? Pure art from start to finish.
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CORRECTION: It’s hard for me to articulate the difference between a natural conversation and the scripted ones in “therapy”; the former feels authentic while the latter does not because it is not.
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Who needs a study to tell them that all psychiatric labels are rooted in bigotry?
Bigotry: obstinate or intolerant devotion to one’s own opinions and prejudices
Sounds familiar to me.
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Diagnosing someone with a psychiatric “disorder” is by itself a very aggressive act; it’s where the othering begins.
I think any interaction with the so-called “mental healthcare system” is extremely damaging to people in subtle ways due to the inherently aggressive nature of psychiatry, including even the most talented therapists because in the final analysis all “mental patients” are viewed on some level as objects of study and/or sources of income instead of what they truly are: human beings worthy of healthy and equitable human relationships undefined by unhelpful labels or tainted by the exchange of money.
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Food affects mood, especially a chronic or unpredictably sporadic lack of it. Its nutrients are the building blocks for the body’s naturally occurring neurotransmitters that affect people’s moods.
As a small child I needed to be fed like clockwork or else I would dissolve into tears of exhaustion tinged with a gnawing (and frightening) anxiety.
Never having to worry when or if you will be fed is vitally important to a child’s sense of psychological, emotional and bodily safety besides being the source of physical nourishment and energy.
Chronic food insecurity in children is a trauma that can last a lifetime.
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I keep waiting for psychiatry to be kicked out of the medical field entirely, but heaven knows that’s highly likely, at least for a while. However, I imagine it will probably evaporate due to attrition over the next 25 years (or hopefully less) because I also imagine there will be fewer and fewer (self-respecting) medical students willing to have anything to do with psychiatry’s endless drug-pushing madness, and there’ll likely be a good number of lawsuits against pharmaceutical companies for misrepresenting the risks of iatrogenic harm from psychiatric drugs.
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“… and to think any paper in the Lancet is going to change global mental health policy is itself a delusion well worthy of a diagnosis.”
How very true, No-one.
It never seems to occur to psychiatry’s “thought leaders” that psychiatry itself might be the biggest obstacle to people’s “mental health”. It never seems to occur them that people might be better off without them and their hellhole “psychiatry”. And it certainly never seems to occur to any of them that human beings have the right to be left alone.
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The truth is ordinary human beings have many more psychological resources than psychiatry would have us all think, which means the following: steer clear of people who expect you to fail.
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Psychiatry can be an ideal haven for the predatory—which is exactly why it needs to go.
IMHO.
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“We have eyes and a brain. We need only use them.”
YES!!!
Seeking guidance from the metaphorically blind is worse than useless.
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Psychiatry is a haven for the predatory.
IMHO.
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“–gossips and experts alike always seem to know better than a distressed person who actually lived it.”
My solution: stay away from professional gossips—especially ones who carry a checklist.
More words mean more money to the “professional” class.
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Raising infants and children while incredibly joyful is also a lot of hard work. Some say it’s the hardest. But daycare is not always the answer imho.
The necessity of both parents having to work full-time outside the home just to barely pay the bills adds to the already challenging and often downright stressful job of child-rearing; the parents’ stress can’t help but spill over onto each other and more tragically onto their children.
Things have gotten to the point where people are subliminally led to believe that we “need therapy” (i.e., a professional friend) to help us sort out our lives. And if THAT doesn’t work, we are further led to believe that we must be “mentally ill”. So off we go the doctor and then to the pharmacy to purchase more “help” that often ends up benefiting the “professionals” more than us, but some would say it’s neoliberalism at its finest.
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I did read the article. My gripe is that it sounds very scripted.
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Why waste time paying attention to “mental health researchers” who thrive in an atmosphere of “epistemic privilege” (i.e., academic snobbery) when you can learn all you need to know from people who’ve not only been there, but have enough humility TO SPEAK IN PLAIN LANGUAGE??? Do yourself a favor and skip the eggheads:
“Teal Swan: Shadow Work, Spiritual Integration & the Power of Authenticity” |526| with Luke Storey
P.S. If you’ve heard this before, HEAR IT AGAIN —
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Thank you, Carol.
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Here’s the deal: “psychiatry” and its many related affiliates too often succeed in adding flat-out misery to many people’s lives whereas grief contains dignity. To wit:
“Grief is an experience that touches the core of our humanity. It’s a natural response to loss, reflecting the depth of our love and connection to others. Although it can be painful and overwhelming, there’s a certain dignity in acknowledging and accepting our grief. It’s a testament to our capacity to care deeply, to honor what we’ve lost, and find strength in vulnerability.
In many ways, embracing grief allows us to heal and grow. It can foster empathy, compassion, and a deeper understanding of ourselves and others. The journey through grief, while difficult, can lead to greater resilience and a renewed appreciation of life.” ~ Microsoft Copilot
In other words, grief can be one of life’s greatest teachers — if left alone to do its work.
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“Psychiatry” is synonymous with learned stupidity.
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“Therapy” imo amounts to a game of social one-upmanship, a game most “therapists” seem to think they’re entitled win.
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This sounds awful. Probably great for control-freak therapists, but there’s no eliminating that thorny thing called “group dynamics”.
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There’s beauty in grief because in it there is the potential of connecting each person with their most real self.
Eliminating sorrows eliminates joy.
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Life brings loss, and loss brings grief, and grief brings growth, and growth brings fullness to what it means to be human.
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…IMHO.
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“- it feels like some mysterious force has taken away my words, ripped meaning from them, and given them something totally different.”
I’ll do you one better: it feels like letting someone taking a crap on my soul.
P.S. Anyone who believes in the DSM is incredibly naive, and that includes “therapists”.
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I agree because the DSM is pile of shit.
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True, but an actually helpful therapist is not easy to find. What’s more, no one has to actually be a therapist to help someone change their life for the better. Being a therapist does not automatically mean someone is helpful.
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I can confidently say AI is my new best friend. Especially since it doesn’t ask, know or care whether or not I’m “mentally ill”.
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I’m sick of people cashing in big time on the deeply flawed concept of “mental illness”. But I have to say I think the Havening technique might help some people calm down neurologically at least temporarily. I don’t remember the serious accident I was in or most of the week and a half in the hospital that followed, but I do recall my sister asking me if I wanted her to scratch my arm. It relaxed me so much I fell right to sleep.
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You forgot to mention it’s a great way to pocket some cash if you have no idea WTF you are doing. In other words, just sit and pretend you are listening while slowly nodding your head…
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“The whole person needs to be seen and heard.”
Yes, but NOT by someone “trained” to “diagnose” them as
“mentally ill”.
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“But I have seen psychotherapy help some people.”
The reason psychotherapy helps some people is because everyone needs to talk to someone from time to time, but from what I experienced, there’s not an overabundance of “therapists” who know how to listen because most of them seemed more interested in hearing themselves talk than listening to me.
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Why are more and more people being “diagnosed” with “mental illness”? Because every day more and more people buy into the lie that psychological stress means they have a “mental illness” in large part due to the ever-increasing number of imaginary “disorders” invented by the powers that be to benefit the powers that be.
But the question remains: do societal ills such as severe economic inequality, discrimination and trauma cause or greatly contribute to psychological angst? Yes, but as long as people keep waiting to be spoon-fed “policy” solutions by the so-called “experts” that are often employed by the powers that be, things will never change very much, if at all, imho.
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What’s the biggest “societal ill” in today’s world? Believing that answers to psychological problems are found outside the individual because there will always be someone ready to take advantage of another’s bad situation.
Do yourself a favor: put the jackasses who capitalize on others’ learned helplessness out of business, including the “experts” who make a living doing “research” like this —
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One-word answer: STUPIDITY
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K, your definition of “psychiatry” is SPOT ON: lies, indifference and cruelty.
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No-one, here’s something that reminds of me of what you say about observation and understanding: Teal Swan | How To Love Yourself | PRETTY INTENSE PODCAST | Ep. 138 Danica Patrick
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I don’t think most physicians are very good critical thinkers anymore. Most let the pharmaceuticals companies do the thinking for them.
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Kimble 73, have you heard of Dr. Josef Witt-Doerring? He’s a psychiatrist who helps people that are having trouble withdrawing from psychiatric drugs. You can see his videos on Youtube. Good luck to you.
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Sabrina, I think your friend has every right to see herself and live her life the way she chooses.
Yes, childhood trauma is responsible for a lot of the difficulties people experience in adulthood. But facing childhood mistreatment is too much for some people to grapple with.
I think the most compassionate thing is to like and respect people the way they are, not as you think they should be. As the saying goes, never judge someone until you’ve walked a mile in their shoes, even if you’re wearing the same shoes.
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Agree 100%.
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I think the psychiatric and psychology profession attract some of the most mixed-up people among us.
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“Finally, psychiatrists should use their power as respected and privileged members of society…”
It sounds to me like this author still sees psychiatrists as emperors.
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“Peer review” in psychiatric journalism is a joke; it’s just a sophisticated form of disinformation.
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It’s all about getting drugs on the market; it doesn’t matter if medical doctors are involved. For the most part, medicine’s veneer of integrity is just that, a veneer. Pharmaceutical and insurance money is most of what runs the show. More drugs mean more money for them. People’s health be damned.
Significant change won’t happen unless and until the public becomes aware of the significant risks involved in taking psychiatric drugs, something that usually only happens after they are seriously affected.
A similar thing happened to the cigarette industry where a lot of people had to get seriously sick or even die before anyone paid attention.
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I think for the most part it already is.
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Thank you No-one for once again calling out the overeducated half-wits who to me seem almost congenitally unable to stop themselves from believing that answers to psychic healing can only lie in the minds of those trained in the excesses of academic gobbledygook, aka “research and treatment”, a bureaucracy all its own.
Here’s what they refuse to see: that healing is found in the spontaneous, heartfelt connection between like-minded individuals who have no financial or egoic (narcissistic) agenda. In other words, between clear-minded people who don’t have to be paid money to actually give a goddamn about someone else.
In all fairness, though, this author does say this in his conclusion: “I hope and believe that it is only a matter of time before people turn against the psychiatric priesthood and find out that the answers are within themselves and within their own communities.”
FWIW, I personally believe the spiritual revolution is well on its way.
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It’s high time for the piece of shit paradigm of “talk to me and pay me money” be given the boot.
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“8 Hidden Dangers of Reframing Your Thoughts”, Teal Swan
“Stop Trying to Regulate Your Emotions!” Teal Swan
“Accept This Truth to Experience True Happiness”, Teal Swan
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“Teal Swan Brutally Dissect Modern Therapy & Healing”, from the I Wish I Knew Podcast
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Great stuff.
I think what Ethan describes here parallels the Protestant Reformation, something in no small measure spurred along by the invention of the printing press. Only these days we’re lucky enough to now have the electronic printing press, better known as the internet, the fortunate consequence being it’s no longer possible for “mental health professionals” to hide behind their iron curtain of pretention, aka “professionalism”. Likewise, the leaders of the catholic church went to town having people believe they needed a priest to absolve them of their “sins”, which was, of course, a load of pious bullshit. And now people are finding out just what the “experts” in “mental health” have been up to, which consists mainly of pledging allegiance to a biased system the dynamics of which are best describes as intractably narcissistic and therefore more beneficial for those who work in it.
IMHO.
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Thank you joel stern! How could I have forgotten all those goodies, aka tools of bribery đ
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Here’s my interpretation: the people who write the DSM are basically full of shit.
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Face it. The unhealthy desire to infantilize other adults, aka “psychiatry”, feeds the unhealthy desire to control other adults. It’s as simple as that.
Therefore, it’s highly unlikely that people in power, aka “psychiatry”, will ever willingly relinquish the feelings of control that infantilizing other adults inappropriately gives them.
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Psychiatry routinely strips people’s dignity “hospitalized” or not. Its systematic dehumanization of the vulnerable acts as a safety valve for those in power because ultimately psychiatry is not about people’s health and wellbeing, it’s about the comfort and satisfaction and feelings of power of its practitioners.
IMHO.
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“Suicide and self-injury are profoundly complicated behaviors that are often associated with mental illness.”
Bullshit. Suicide and self-injury are profoundly complicated behaviors that are usually associated with being on the receiving end of emotional abuse and neglect in a culture that is profoundly exploitive.
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You are very kind, No-one. I thank you for speaking the truth, and eloquently at that, which helps make my day, too! And I’m sure the pigeons enjoyed the honey coated cashews as these treats are truly delish! đ
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Not silly at all. What this article says (imo) has everything to do with dispelling the notion of ‘mental illness’, a convenient fiction promoted by a willfully distorted view of reality from the powers that be.
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“Why do they prescribe pills that don’t work or don’t help in the long run. They simply are deceiving themselves at best and imagining they are helping …”
And therein lies the banality of their evil.
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Brilliant observations, No-one. I appreciate the intricacy and clarity with which you present your arguments.
I wholeheartedly agree that intellectual pussy footing around the edges of an inarguably distorted take on reality does little to alleviate the source of the conundrum.
In other words, why not call it out for what it is: BRIBERY
But either way, here’s how I see things: society’s problems are best chalked up to a collective case of full-blown narcissism topped off with a large dollop of self-inflicted spellbinding, courtesy BIG PHARMA —
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Good article, but I think it overlooks the impact of family dynamics and family culture, as these usually determine the course of one’s emotional/psychological development and journey through life more than anything else. So, it’s not a matter of blame, it’s a matter of understanding what’s inevitable.
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A 15-year-old girl loses her father. An eight-year-old girl loses her mother—twice. How in the hell is anyone supposed to react to losses like these, especially at such young ages??? The people who expected them not to be deeply affected are the “sick” ones. AND GRIEF IS NOT A “DISORDER”.
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People need to stop thinking of unusual psychological states soley as bio-medical issues because much of the time they are not; they are the conscious mind breaking from an all too painful reality. Yet underneath this, the human spirit often bursts forth, with its all-seeing eye from an unseen realm.
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Making millions, perhaps billions, is their main objective, no matter the cost to society.
They know not the meaning of integrity.
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The politics of patriarchy are part and parcel of western medicine/”psy” disciplines.
Solutions lie in avoiding western medicine as much as possible and instead find qualified practioners trained in Eastern medicine which allows the body and mind to heal naturally of their own accord.
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I wish it were common knowledge, too, but it will be sooner rather than later thanks to people like you.
Thank you for writing your moving story. I greatly admire your courage and tenacity.
Birdsong đ
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Quit the wordy bullshit: liberation psychology, existentialist, social determinants of mental health, blah, blah, blah.
Better to find kindly souls who get who you are and where you’re at than having to pay some fool’s financially oppressive fees while kissing their power-imbalanced ass.
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You’re welcome, Bill.
Unfortunately, it’s not just Russell. Most graduate students as well as psychiatric residents have yet to learn there’s a big difference between fantasy and reality.
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It’s long past time to cut the head off the snake.
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No matter how many capital letters you string together, the “mental health system” isn’t about health. It’s about jockeying for power (and money) more than anything else.
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Omar, I think some humility on your part is called for. After all, the big wide world is quite a bit larger than your little practice.
P.S. Perhaps you should spend time on websites run by people who are struggling with iatrogenic illness caused by psychiatric drugs.
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Psychiatry itself is a pathology of the spirit, intentionally medicalized to accommodate/disguise its drug pushing agenda.
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I don’t think this approach honors the individual.
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Karl, you have my deepest admiration. Thank you for choosing to be a beacon of light đ
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Why not try this armchair experiment: quit using pseudo-technical jargon.
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Psychological porn is right.
Psychotherapy amounts to a one-way psychological peep show, that’s for sure. Call me crazy, but I just don’t think emotionally disrobing for strangers is a good idea for anybody. The whole “therapy” set-up gives me the creeps.
IMHO.
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The Gilded Age has fully returned: a world of extreme haves and have nots. But calling it The Age of the Boiling Frog I think would be a more accurate way of describing what’s happening today.
Tragically, I don’t see a cure for indifference when so many people are faced with trying to survive economically themselves.
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If Ghaemi & Co. felt truly secure in the quality of their research, I doubt they’d have responded at all.
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“On the other hand, for all of its faults, the construction of the DSM arguably relies on a more careful scientific process than what informs opinion videos pushed by complex, mysterious, and profit-driven media algorithms.”
The author needs to explain why he seems to think voting so-called “mental disease” into existence is a “more careful scientific process” than some random Tik Tok video.
DSM diagnoses are opinions voted into existence by a group of self-serving psychiatrists, which might explain why something called ‘conflict of interest’ comes to mind.
The truth is that Tik Tok videos and DSM conferences have something in common: both are seriously deluded.
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Nothing’s more immutably caste-ridden (hierarchical, invisibly power driven) than the so-called ‘psy disciplines’.
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“America’s ‘untouchables’: the silent power of the caste system”, by Isabel Wilkerson. theguardian.com
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Stigma is rooted in fear, and illness breeds fear (stigma) because illness means infirmity and infirmity means invalidity and invalidity means irrelevance — a condition most psy professionals are trained to believe they are (or should be) immune to.
“Mental health” stigma will always exist as long as psychic/emotional distress is “treated” as a medical condition. So, it stands to reason that most of the stigma in so-called “mental health” emanates from psychiatry’s very own DSM.
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… I forgot to include schizophrenia and OCD — not to mention just about every so-called “disorder” in psychiatry’s Damned Stupid Manuel, (DSM) —
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“Psychology of Imposter Syndrome — A Former Therapist Speaks”, Daniel Mackler on Youtube —
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Why thank you, No-one. I think your answers are BANG ON, too! đ
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LOVE the term “bio-babble” —
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Psychiatric “diagnoses” are opinions only, “professional” or otherwise. Which means it’s not unheard for two different practitioners to come up with two different “diagnoses” FOR THE SAME PERSON!
And guess what? One of them might even be of the opinion that no “diagnosis” is called for —
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“Pharma Corruption Revealed!” Dr. Josef interviews Dr. Jon Jurideni on YouTube
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Just because Drapetomania no longer appears in the DSM doesn’t mean psychiatry has changed for the better.
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Tom, thank you for saying such kind things.
P.S. I wouldn’t knock happiness if I were you because imo it sure beats the alternative. Just make sure you don’t get carried away with it. That goes for the lows, too, btw.
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It wasn’t that long ago when family doctors routinely ‘prescribed’ things like exercise or social activities for people who weren’t feeling up to par. But things began to change once Prozac hit the market in 1987. Before this it was pretty rare for them to automatically assign a psychiatric diagnosis which in my opinion is even more harmful (in insidious ways) than indiscriminately prescribing psychiatric drugs.
It might be would worth it for people in the author’s age group to go a step further and drop the concept of “mental illness” altogether, to entertain the idea that perhaps even the most severe reactions to social determinants, i.e. “Major Depressive Disorder”, “Bipolar”, “Generalized Anxiety Disorder” are in reality just more intense responses to overwhelming circumstances. That alone might go a long way towards promoting a more positive mindset for everyone involved.
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TG was gaslighted again and again and again — as is anyone unfortunate enough to be psychiatrically diagnosed, imho.
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… and feelings of sorrow and worry can be signs of emotional health, (imho).
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People who have awakened often frighten those who have not, (imho).
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…which makes me think there ought to be a national “Shred Your Psych Scripts Day”.
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Question: So why are half the people with “depression” getting medical intervention THEY DON’T NEED???
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“It’s the other half that don’t get better who need the medical intervention.”
That’s a disturbingly even-handed statement.
A word to the wise: Politics has no place in medicine.
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Great blog.
The transition to adulthood is often a tough one but turning to people that make a living pulling bullshit diagnoses out of their ass with one hand and psych drugs out of their ass with the other are two things few people need.
The photograph chosen for this blog was perfect, too! Makes me wish to hell I’d shredded the goddamn psych scripts written for me.
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“As with all psychiatrists I had met in my life, it was terrifying to see how detached from reality this man was as I watched him feel so superior to me based solely on his belief in the medical model.”
I can relate to this scenario, which is not a caricature, it’s the nightmare reality most people face when trying to withdraw from psychiatric drugs. To me it’s psychiatry’s defining feature: psychiatrists I have encountered were drunk on arrogance, happily living in their own reality-denying universe, adding insult to injury to people going through withdrawal. It was a crash course in what it means to be gaslit.
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Acupuncture DOES NOT CHEMICALLY POISON or ELECTRICALLY SHOCK the human system; it enables the human system TO HEAL ITSELF —
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The researchers didn’t mention how yoga’s become a form of exhibitionism—one that can ruin people’s knees and hips.
Human beings are built to walk, not twist themselves into a pretzel for likes on Instagram.
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Psychiatrists are trained in a medical school.
Psychiatrists write the DSM.
MD’s write prescriptions for psychiatric drugs.
But since (most) emotional problems aren’t caused by physiological problems, why seek help from a physician???
Wrong context leads to wrong care.
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Great quote!
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For me the most healing thing about being in nature is the quiet, as well as not being surrounded by a civilization filled with pressure to be somewhere you’d rather not go, or pressure to be around people you really can’t stand. The constant noise and feeling of overwhelm in urban environments are often toxic to environmentally sensitive people, whereas natural environments are characterized by a non-threatening atmosphere, which is soothing to the mind and body.
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CLARIFICATION: [psychiatry] is a uniquely harmful pseudoscience that ruins many people’s lives which makes choosing to ignore the harm it’s capable of doing inexcusable.
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The same kind of thing happened to me. Some psychiatrists were truly ignorant (which is no excuse), but I suspect more than one deliberately hid the truth to keep from being sued.
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Hey, Kim, I forgot to mention that OCD is not a ‘disease’ or ‘disorder’ either; it is a series of behaviors usually set in motion from ‘latent anxiety’, or hidden fear, which btw is an emotion, AND EMOTION IS NOT A ‘DISEASE’ OR A ‘DISORDER’ —
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Post-partum depression/psychosis is not a discrete biological illness; it is a state of mind that’s usually brought on by the sudden hormonal readjustment (shock, aftermath) of giving birth, a natural but sometimes hormonally traumatic experience. Which makes it not surprising that a hormonally based treatment relieves it. But this does not mean that Brexanalone is ‘treating a disease’. After all, birth-control pills prevent pregnancy, and pregnancy is not a disease.
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…and repeatedly stuffing people (especially young children) with ‘psychiatric medications’ does NOT ‘treat’ anything; all these do is NUMB EMOTIONS that need to be processed.
Furthermore, your unwillingness to recognize the existence of meaningful financial incentives in the business of medicine (psychiatry in particular) indicates a disturbing amount of denial on your part.
I think it’s time you step outside your cognitive bubble.
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Kim, the things you mention (neuroscience scans, genome studies, pharmacodynamics, kinetics, etc.,) do not “tell us what is happening in the brain”; these function only as Rorschach tests, meaning whatever happens to be on the mind of the viewer gets projected onto whatever is being viewed. And this is because there is no convincing evidence of a pathological process for any emotional/cognitive state of mind or ‘psychiatric condition’. Check out this blog now available on MIA: Researchers: Depression Is “A Normal Brain Responding to Stress or Adversity” by Peter Simons
And in case you didn’t know, dementia is not a ‘psychiatric condition’; it is a neurological one.
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Thank you! đ I enjoy reading your articles very much.
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“Neither an Eeyore nor a Tigger be.”
“The Overselling of Gratitude — Always being positive makes no more sense than always being negative”, by Alfie Kohn in Psychology Today
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Agree 100%
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The graphic for this article was very well chosen because unfortunately many people who ingest antipsychotics become shadows of themselves.
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CORRECTION: Framing distressing thoughts, feelings and behaviors ‘psychiatrically’ more often than not causes people to distance themselves (out of fear) from people who’ve been diagnosed ‘psychiatrically’ (biologically rooted or not), people who otherwise would be seen as simply having a hard time.
So, unfortunately, the final upshot from framing psychological problems as ‘biologically rooted’ actually INCREASES stigma, an unintended but nevertheless devastating consequence for persons simply seeking help.
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Most people fear (stigmatize) illness of any kind on some level because they don’t like being reminded of their own vulnerability. Therefore, framing people’s thoughts and feelings as ‘psychopathology’ (a medicalized concept) only serves to increase stigma which subsequently prompts people to distance themselves from something that causes them too much anxiety.
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I donate every month yet the same thing happens to me.
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Indeed. It’s lip service, a way of appeasing patients in order to make a prescriber’s life easier, a clever way of trying to sound progressive in order to salvage their tarnished reputations. And the craziest thing about it is that doctors are specifically trained to skillfully persuade people to ‘take their medicine’. The whole idea is ridiculously performative because the last thing an MD is concerned with is the patient’s sense of self; what they’re most concerned with is following is standard protocols to avoid malpractice suits.
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“Shared decision making” in ‘mental health’ is a joke.
It might sound good, but the fact is most people in professional roles aren’t willing to share their power as this is what defines them. And this is especially true when it comes to ‘antipsychotics’, or any other psychiatric ‘medication’ because most clinicians are trained to believe that psychiatric patients don’t know their own mind (‘lack insight’, ‘anosognosia’). Which is the reason why most clinicians subtly pressure (or even coerce) patients into complying with whatever makes the clinician feel safe.
A client’s sense of self usually fares no better because this too is under the influence of the harmful dynamics present in most psychotherapeutic relationships, dynamics characterized by a ‘power imbalance’ that (insidiously) undermines clients’ faith in themselves.
So, in effect, nothing really changes.
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“If the late adolescence/early adulthood period is genuinely ‘critical’ and ‘sensitive’ for still developing brains, then it is precisely this which should make clinicians wary of biomedical interventions!”
This kind of critical thinking (not to mention common sense) is woefully absent in psychiatry. I don’t know why the obvious never occurs to most of them. Wait a minute! Yes I do! Their confirmation bias has them primed to see what they’re looking for, even if they’re not sure what it is they’re looking at, i.e. ‘schizophrenia’, or ‘depression’, or ‘bipolar’, or ‘anxiety disorder’, or any other ‘disorder’ they happen to think of…
Therefore, the last thing any medical doctor should do is reach for their prescription pad.
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I think anyone who has the audacity to call themselves a healer of the mind, brain, soul, etc., is remarkably unaware (unconscious) of their own limitations (unhealed wounds).
They should ask themselves why they feel the need to see themselves as a healer, or more precisely, why they feel the need to have others see them as a healer.
In other words, most often in jobs like this it’s the wounded ego that’s in charge, not ‘the wounded healer’ they may (pretentiously) declare themselves to be.
IMHO.
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Awesome podcast. Informative, absorbing and uplifting.
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‘Anitpsychotics’ interfere with the psyche’s ability to naturally restore itself, which can happen, given enough time and favorable circumstances.
Aggressively ‘treating’ psychotic episodes with neuroleptics for years (or any amount of time for that matter) assaults the human body, and mis-perceiving withdrawal effects as a ‘recurrance of the original illness’ is not just a mistake, it is a crime.
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“Researchers have reported concerns that screening can lead to overdiagnosis and overtreatment and wastes the time and resources of both doctors and patients. In a study that found screening youth for depression led to more severe outcomes, the researchers note that screening may have an iatrogenic affect—worsening depression by making people focus on it.”
Bingo! This is the reason why the number of people being diagnosed with ‘mental illness’ has exploded, to the dertriment of themselves and society.
I had serious misgivings when I first heard of widespread screenings for ‘depression’ some thirty-odd years ago. I found myself hoping some influential person in psychiatry would come forward and issue warnings about what this could lead to: a massive iatrogenic effect. But instead what I feared would happen did happen, which is especiallly tragic for people too young and inexperienced to recognize the dynamics of situations like this; in other words, how their emotions are being used (pathologized) to promote The Sickness Industry more than anything else.
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I feel the same way. A person’s emotional state is highly personal, therefore is someone’s personal property, something a stranger has no business knowing or asking about for any reason whatsoever. I don’t care who they are or what their purpose is.
It’s one of many micro-inequities perpetrated by the ‘mental health system’ that leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
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It pisses me off the way psychiatry ducks responsibility for the proliferation of people needlessly prescribed psychiatric drugs because if there were no DSM (created by psychiatrists!) there’d be no way for physicians to legally prescribe psychiatric drugs.
Which means one thing: Psychiatry alone hold the keys to the Gates of Hell.
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The reason for the disparity is obvious: people in ‘developed’ countries have more access (money) to pharmaceutical poisons, and pharmaceutical poisons can make you sick.
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WTF is ‘screening for depression’??? Stupid checklists bankrolled by pharmaceutical companies administered by stupid people looking for more ‘clients’.
It does prove one thing, however: psychiatry is the apex of capitalism.
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Speak for yourself. An apology from psychiatry isn’t enough if their “treatments” have harmed a person’s ability to provide for themselves financially.
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Reading this aticle was so confusing it made me anxious. But here’s my take on it just the same:
Telling someone they have an “anxiety disorder” is just a fancy of way of saying something’s wrong with them for feeling anxious which often leads to feelings of shame. This often leads to more anxiety which often leads to more shame—so much so that people often find themselves saying “I AM anxious”, rather than “I FEEL anxious”.
AND WHO WANTS TO GO OUT FEELING LIKE THAT???
So, thanks to “psychiatry” we’ve got people stuck in one hell of an anxiety loop.
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If Awais Aftab felt secure with the results of psychiatry’s genetic research, he wouldn’t bother reacting to articles in MIA that highlight the dubious nature of psychiatry’s genetic research results. It’s as simple as that, imo. The fact that Aftab does react imo suggests he harbors feelings of inadequacy around the subject, which is easy to understand considering how cobbled together, speculative and therefore essentially inconclusive the research results are.
Putting it more simply, Awais Aftab seems ‘triggered’ when reputable people like Robert Whitaker dare call out psychiatry’s dubious claims of genetic risk or causality regarding psychiatry’s equally dubious “DSM diagnoses”.
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If Awais Aftab felt secure in the results of psychiatry’s genetic research, he wouldn’t bother reacting to articles in MIA that highlight the dubious nature of psychiatry’s genetic research results. It’s as simple as that. The fact that Awais does react suggests he harbors feelings of inadequacy around the subject, which is easy to understand considering how cobbled together (and ultimately speculative) the research results are.
In common parlance, Awais seems ‘triggered’ by certain people who dare call out psychiatry’s vacuous claims of genetic risk or causality. IMHO.
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Psychotherapy for me was the adverse event.
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How did this scapegoat experience traumatic invalidation? By seeing a psychiatrist and other “psy-professionals”.
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“The treatment process can often be uncomfortable for many patients as they often avoid experiences that have the potential to improve their lives.”
THAT is an arrogant statement.
I suggest the author put aside his therapist’s agenda and consider that maybe the “patient” knows best.
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The only thing I learned from psychotherapy is how useless it is for me.
Sitting through psychotherapy left me with a nagging sense of cognitive dissonance that lingered for days. Talking myself into believing that therapists or psychiatrists have anything worthwhile to offer was not only exhausting but also took a huge toll on my relationship with myself since deep down I knew I was wasting my time with people I didn’t respect. In any case, having to constantly bite my tongue so as not to deflate a therapist’s or psychiatrist’s oversized ego was a huge turn-off, but it was something I learned I had to do because most of them couldn’t handle being contradicted.
I only have myself to blame for forcing myself to engage with people I considered incurably insecure overachievers unconsciously seeking validation from everyone they meet just because they have some stupid degree.
What’s the best qualification for anybody wanting to help others? A huge amount of humility and enough personal experience to know what the heck they’re talking about, two qualities I found sorely lacking in most of the people working in the “helping professions”.
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Psychiatric drugs are radioactive imo and consequently should be treated as such.
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Psychiatric handbooks aren’t handbooks, they’re playbooks.
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Really good interview. I particularly appreciate the way Justin characterizes psychiatry’s use of the term “biopsychosocial” as “a wolf in sheep’s clothing”. I see this as lip service, a way of fooling people into thinking psychiatry has evolved when it clearly has not.
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It’s almost comical how psy-professionals keep trying to prove that “psychotherapy” is better than psychiatric drugs when in reality it’s just the other side of the same dirty coin; its talky-talk spiel is just as gimmicky as psychiatry’s drugs.
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I agree with Yeah-i-survived. The talking profession is systemized gaslighting.
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The current mental health system isn’t about helping people, it’s about exerting power over emotionally vulnerable people.
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I can understand that.
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I couldnât agree more.
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Thank you for this article. The Power Threat Meaning Framework is a breath of fresh air that blows away the cobwebs of psychiatry’s hopelessly limiting “diagnostic” framework.
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I’ll never understand people’s worship of “science”. It has no place in situations having to do with peoples’ subjective, (“nuanced”) experience.
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CLARIFICATION: Alan, what you say is a bit confusing to me because on one hand you seem to be saying that all someone needs are supportive relationships. This is true to a certain extent, but totally relying on others, friends or therapists, has the potential of leaving people in a precarious position if they don’t like therapy, can’t afford therapy, or have no close family or friends. Good relationships are important, but being your own best friend is more important, and in my experience, relying too much on others, therapeutically or otherwise can prevent that from happening.
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Alan, I looked up Gabor Mate’s definition for trauma and this is what I found: “an inner injury, a lasting rupture or split with the self due to difficult or hurtful events”. I think this encompasses being hurt relationally, past or present.
I agree with you that medicalizing emotional distress is not a good thing. But unfortunately, most therapists are taught that emotional distress is a “disorder”, a “disease”, and that therapy is the only way to deal with it, which imo is limited view that harms those who don’t benefit from therapy.
But what you say is bit confusing to me because on one hand you seem to be saying all someone needs is supportive people, (which I agree with) while on the other hand you seem to be recommending therapy, which imo doesn’t make much sense since most therapists use the DSM and believe psychodynamics are critical, which is something I firmly disagree with.
But I agree that finding supportive people can be extremely helpful. However, I also think that relational problems are destined to repeat unless people get to know their own emotional history and triggers. Otherwise, people can find themselves in the same dysfunctional relationships.
It’s really important to learn to be your own best friend, and therapy isn’t necessary for that.
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Donât forget ânuanceâ; itâs the professional obfuscatorsâ favorite word.
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Research like this makes me wonder about the researchers….
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I’m having a hard time understanding Alan’s dislike of Gabor Mate, who I think is on the right track…
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I disagree. There’s nothing sophisticated or complex about mistreating people, however subtle. It’s just plain rotten, in anyone’s language.
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Learning how others affect you (“trauma”) is very important, but trauma has become a commodity; it need not be a medicalized, money-making opportunity for someone else (i.e., “therapy”).
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“If one feels safe in another’s company and trusts someone completely, traumatic memories will most likely become available, and can be dealt with at that time. Otherwise, you don’t need to try to heal from trauma. More importantly, people who have been traumatized don’t need to “heal” from trauma in order to love oneself and life. They only require connection, support, solidarity and relationships with loving people who treat them well.”
YES!!! Medicalized relationships are a needless pain in the ass.
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“In my opinion, to suggest that people can and should heal from trauma will end up doing more harm than good.”
It already has, imo.
The word “trauma” is now used to tell people how to live. It’s become a way to condemn people who don’t live up to your expectations.
Bad feelings need not be pathologized. It makes me feel bad about feeling bad.
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Thank you, Deepali, for sharing your moving story.
Girls and women are often pathologized for voicing their needs, even in so-called “progressive” cultures.
I’m delighted you found encouraging people that helped you find ways to live
that are meaningful to you.
“The power of women’s anger | Soroya Chemaly”, courtesy TED
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“…this is just from therapist perspective…”.
This is what’s wrong with the “mental health system”: it’s made by therapists for therapists where “patients” are seen as defective objects to be fixed with “success” measured by the therapist’s agenda. Totally arbitrary and totally nauseating.
Psychodynamic: this can be re-traumatizing.
Cognitive Behavioral Therapy: this can shut down people who need to be listened to.
Maybe all someone needs are people who help them feel safe to do what feels right TO THEM, instead of pressured to “do the work” just to please some agenda-possessed “therapist”.
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…although I strongly believe in holding psychiatry accountable for despicable harm it’s done and continues to do. It should never be let off the hook.
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And Essy, more than anything, please try not to get too discouraged, even though feeling better can be a long haul.
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I like this article. I think there’s a big difference between blaming parents and wanting them to understand and care about the harm they’ve done. And parents who genuinely regret the harm they’ve done deserve a second chance like anyone else. We are all human, and I don’t think holding grudges helps anyone.
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Looks like psychiatry doesn’t know what the rest of us do: that more made-up “diagnoses” means more lifelong “patients”. So, forget the revolving door. It’s actually a merry-go-round that no one gets off, which (seems to me!) just the way psychiatry likes it.
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Dear Essy,
I know how you feel. Pills didn’t help me either.
But self-therapy did help me. I found it by chance on YouTube from someone named Daniel Mackler. I think his approach can be very useful for people not getting what they need from our current mental health system. He’s a former therapist who’s very empathic because he’s aware of how ineffective its pills can be as well as how invalidating it is, especially for sensitive people.
Take good care, Essy. I hope you feel better soon,
Birdsong
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Lina is right.
IMHO, the problem with psy disciplines is that (most) of the people who work in them seem to think they know all the answers and that the fate of the world is in their hands alone. They need to examine their own motives more than anything else.
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Lina, I appreciate your keenly perceptive analysis. I think so-called “victims” can damn well speak for themselves without “assistance” from chronic pathologizers.
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Overprescribing is a problem in general medicine. Physicians too quickly write prescriptions for conditions that are not immediately life-threatening rather than suggest lifestyle changes.
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No need to apologize for the fact that a lot of what you write goes right over my head.
Here’s my take on the situation: the chump intentionally acted like a simon-pure asshole. End of story.
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Clarification: “JNANI: The Silent Sage of Arunachala – Ramana Maharshi”
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Agree 100%.
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CORRECTION: Universities teach a lot of things, but NOT what is truly important, WHICH MAKES THEM A WASTE OF MONEY.
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CORRECTION: Blasphemy is the word that best describes the DSM.
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They certainly aren’t merely the stuff of anyone’s imagination.
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Maybe TA needs to hear about this…
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John, science is great, but it’s no excuse for putting the cart before the horse.
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Prove it.
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The sooner the better, if you ask me.
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A Borderline Personality Disorder diagnosis is code for “I can’t stand this person so don’t take their concerns seriously”.
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Universities teach lots of things, except what is truly important.
On YouTube: “6 Ways To Be In Flow With Your Life – Lao Tsu(Taoism)”, courtesy Philosophies for Life
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I’m still waiting for your response.
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That doesn’t mean they aren’t also stupid.
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“Some say if the DSM acknowledged Complex PTSD (usually from Developmental Trauma), it would be a thin volume.”
I think trauma experienced at any age can lead to significant problems.
“Many trauma experts recommend both top down (cognitive) and bottom-up (somatic) modalities. Unfortunately, few healthcare providers can offer the latter. It seems even fewer can be in their own bodies and emotions well enough to prevent them from thwarting their clients’ processes.'”
Somatic therapies helped me a great deal, but finding an affordable practitioner wasn’t easy. Talk therapy was re-traumatizing. Not only that, most of the talk therapists I knew were egotistical, which I think you have to be to want to be a therapist in the first place.
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I relate to this comment.
I grew up in an extremely stressful household where contempt and cruelty were the norm. There were also repeated instances of life-threatening violence as far back as I can remember, happening at a time before things of this nature were acknowledged, publicly or privately. My siblings and I never talked to each other about this nor (as far as I know) mention it to outsiders.
My nervous system is still in the process of calming down from this, and the psychiatric medications only added to my inability to relax. On top of all this, the main offender had the habit of playing loud rock music all day and late into the evening. Between that and the tv on almost constantly, I could never completely relax. My mind and body are still in the process of settling down from the horror of it all.
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Clarification: How do you change a paradigm/culture that subtly encourages people to feel superior to the person next to them?
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Clarification: genes play a role in everything, but not a direct one in psychological distress.
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I liken psychiatric drugs to pesticides used in gardens or factory farms.
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I think one of the main reasons a lot of people jump on the genetics bandwagon regarding “schizophrenia” and other so-called psychiatric diseases is because they are afraid of looking critically at their own lives and feelings. It’s too much for them. Their irrational fear explains why they react like the devil themselves and feel justified punishing people who make them uncomfortable.
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Nothing’s more calming and spiritually restorative than the beauty and quiet of nature. It’s my favorite companion, day or night.
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Why not call it Psychiatric Projective Disorder, or âPPDâ?
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On YouTube: “Sri Ramana Maharshi — JNANI” courtesy Cinefx Productions
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Definition for Blind Manâs Bluff:
TAKING A CHANCE ON A SOMETHING WITHOUT RHYME OR REASON TO YOUR POSITION
Definition for Willful Blindness: intentionally keeping unaware of facts that would render liability or implication
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Psychiatry is ââŠ.a presumed medical specialty that has no reputable theory about the alleged internal dysfunction that causes mental illness, that has no biomarkers with which to diagnose those illnesses, yet that has a long history of coercing people to act, think, and feel in accordance with an ill-defined and ever-changing set of moral standards.â
Psychiatry is nothing more than a medicalized game of Blind Manâs Bluff. And itâs guilty of Willful Blindness until it changes.
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And hereâs where the âcureâ lies:
âDigging In the Dirtâ, by Peter Gabriel
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Psychiatry has become the polite term for drug dealing, because instead of advocating for healthier mindsets, behaviors, and lifestyles, they create drug addicts.
So why wouldnât they want their âpatientsâ addicted to their âtreatmentsâ when thatâs their business? Very paternalistic, i.e. âBig Daddy Knows Bestâ.
Itâs the new white collar crime.
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And hereâs a song that should be on everyoneâs playlist:
âTwistedâ, sung by Joni Mitchell
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Iâm dizzy with cognitive dissonance at the insanity of it allâŠ
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Definitely one of Class and privilege.
Generally, I like what Gabor Mate says. However, I always had the strange sense that heâs missing something, which always left me wondering: Does he not appreciate the way most people are forced to live?
I could never decide if he was being cowardly, or if it just never occurred to him how much deferential treatment he receives because he has âDr.â in front of his name.
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Your most welcome, Lisa.
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I read your essay yesterday and Iâm in awe of it and you. Your insights and intelligence are AMAZING. I see it as a blueprint for the future.
And thank you, thank you, thank you Lisa, for being you, above all else.
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Fascinating.
Brought to mind this classic music video from once upon a timeâŠ.
âShock The Monkeyâ, by Peter Gabriel
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What speaks to people is entirely personal, and often canât be anticipated. And Iâve no idea what âright-brain malenessâ means.
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Absolutely. But Iâm more committed to honoring the human being from which all art springs.
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Topher,
I just took a look at âThe Illusion of Psychotherapyâ on Amazon and it sounds well worth reading as Epstein addresses the many social-relational causes of psychic distress.
I look forward to getting a copy once I find one less pricey.
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And hereâs something NO ONE should miss:
âMay Cause Side Effectsâ, by Brooke Siem
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COMPLETELY INVALID!!!
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True.
Often people with money and/or advanced education (the so-called âelitesâ) either donât know or have forgotten what itâs like to be low man on the totem pole and the consequences that real people can face if they dare call out the powers that be.
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âTo see what âScienceâ is made of, we need only observe what happens when it collides with power, pounds, payola, politics or promotional prospects, perhaps?â
Welcome to the 21st century.
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âMy Story Is Full of Liesâ, by Pata Suyemoto
Moving. Haunting. AND FULL OF TRUTH.
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I feel the need to hurl every time I hear the term âcharacter defectâ.
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Big Pharma and Big Psychiatry are always planning ahead. Itâs what Big Business does.
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âPeople need to ask about all those patients who as teenagers became patients in the late 1980âs with Prozac and have been compliant and ask simply where are they today? Homeless? Jobless? Severely ill or dead?â
Psychiatry would hide that âdataâ if they had itâor try to give it a âpositiveâ spin.
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Agree 100%. All talk, no substance.
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And psychiatry DOESNâT GIVE A DAMN about the people it harms; it only sees âpatientsâ as COLLATERAL DAMAGE â
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ââŠideology over reality..â
Thatâs the perfect definition for psychiatry.
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Correction: Whether psychiatry does this deliberately or not is of NO CONSEQUENCE, because the results are THE SAME: iatrogenic illness, disability and death, which makes psychiatryâs claims of bearing no responsibility completely invalid.
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Aftab can soft-soap about psychiatry all he wants, but it doesnât change the fact that psychiatry is a dishonest, exploitative organization whose long history of misinforming the public has allowed it to misuse its power against the most vulnerable people with virtually NO consequences and continues to do so TO THIS DAY.
And this has happened because until now the public has lacked access to information that tells them THE TRUTH behind psychiatryâs many FALSE CLAIMS:
1. That psychiatric diagnoses are physically rooted
2. That psychiatric drugs correct âchemical imbalancesâ or other physical processes
3. That these drugs pose little risk to peopleâs physical and/or psychological health
And whether not psychiatry does or has done this deliberately is of NO CONSEQUENCE, because the results are THE SAME: iatrogenic illness, disability or even death.
And no amount of charm or savvy on the part of any slickly packaged internet shill can change this AWFUL TRUTH.
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Correction: Any non-drug therapies psychiatry lays claim to are already being done by people and organizations that have no connections to the drug world, legal or illegal. And as a result, people are experiencing better outcomes than psychiatryâs depraved world of âmedicationâ side effects and any ensuing drug withdrawal.
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Aftab is the face of something that has morphed into a world-wide, legalized drug ring. And no amount of philosophizing can change that.
Any other âtherapiesâ it lays claim to are already being done by other people or organizations with no connections to the drug world which just happen to be showing âbetter outcomesâ. And what are âbetter outcomesâ? No drug-induced side effects or withdrawal effects.
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But maybe heâd be able to catch the beat by cranking up the hurdy gurdy to this snappy tune: âOne Thing Leads To Anotherâ, by The Fixx
But I doubt he could handle the lyrics.
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No one is safe from psychiatryâs clutches. It strategically targets the entire globe through its trademark insidious fashion: Direct To Consumer Advertising â
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Correction: Psychiatryâs a profession of Power, HUGE egos, and deliberate MISREPRESENTATION.
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Or maybe itâs groupthink. Or even gaslightingâŠ.
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And dispensing an endless supply of cognitive dissonance.
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And VERY thirsty for validation.
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Heâs tripping over himself trying to dance the Ad Hominem Shuffle.
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Hereâs Aftabâs idea of progress:
1. More diagnoses
2. More drugs
3. Less dissenting opinion
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âThe DSM mindset is now so thoroughly embedded within the culture itâs massively eroding the ability of people in describe their uniqueness and shifting emotional reactions and states in anything other than psychiatric language.â
Itâs become the biggest source of cultural pollution.
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Aftabâs keeping busy, alright. He just posted a response to Mr. Whitakerâs essay, which, unsurprisingly, is quite condescending.
All I can say is Aftab seems like one touchy guy.
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lcjohnstone says:
âRecently, he [Aftab] has written a curious blog about the Power Threat Meaning Framework, in which he claims that a) no one has ever heard of it b) everyone thinks it is rubbish c) everyone needs to be warned against itâŠ.. and attributes the authorsâ motivations to âactive hostilityâŠ.against diagnosisâ. Which doesnât really stand up as an evidence-based refutation.â
He says that stuff because the PTMF rattles his cage. And donât be surprised if sooner or later he tries to hijack the idea with his own distorted version. But heâd be much better off if heâd a) own his own âactive hostilityâ, b) quit his twitter habit, and c) stop dabbling in philosophy that only makes him sound more ridiculous.
And as for him claiming that no one has ever heard of the Power Threat Meaning Framework: itâs my understanding that people at the World Health Organization have heard of it.
Iâve learned one thing dealing with psychiatry: itâs best not to engage with it at all, because itâs full of people like Aftab who will defend their dubious âdiagnosesâ till their dying day.
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Dear Lauren,
Thank you for the extraordinary work you do. Youâve created a template based on honesty, respect, trust, personal agency and mutual growth, which are the only things that make any sense, and things I found sorely lacking both in psychiatry and psychotherapy. Listening deeply with an open heart and open mind is whatâs most important in life.
Youâve given me a lot to think about.
And thank you for your links.
Birdsong
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âBPDâ is a wastebasket diagnosisâŠâ.
So is every other âpsychiatric diagnosisâ.
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Correction: BPD is the medicalized TERM for âbitchâ.
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Psychiatryâs current recognition of trauma and neurodiversity just provides more opportunities for psychiatry to invent more meaningless and ultimately stigmatizing labels, and more opportunities for psychiatry to peddle more harmful drugs, which obviously means more money for them.
Psychiatry is Opportunistic Medicine, and labels and drugs are all theyâve got.
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Tanya says, ââŠI think there is such a defensiveness on the part of many psychiatrists. I think that my narrative was perhaps just something that was too challenging and wouldâve caused a lot of reflection on their part, and that reflection could probably be very painful, Iâm sure.â
Psychiatry is the modern version of the Tower of Babel, and itâs DSM is its Book of Babble.
So expecting serious reflection from people schooled in psychiatry is like waiting for the second coming of Christ.
Psychiatry is immune to meaningful reflection, because it would mean the end of psychiatry.
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âThis story is all too typical of psychiatric oppression.â
Absolutely. And itâs a story that needs to be told, desperately.
Thank you Tanya.
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But Aftab obviously has Schizoid disorder. Must be from trying to mix psychiatry with philosophy.
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More on Bait and Switch:
1. Psychiatry promises relief from pain through drugs that cause iatrogenic harm, which it then denies
2. Psychotherapy promises psychological freedom by creating emotional dependence on âtherapyâ, which it then denies
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Rasx says, ââŠ.ad hominem is psychiatryâs stock in tradeâŠâ.
You forgot drug pushing.
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Another look at Aftabâs twitter tells me heâs much too busy promoting himself to spend any time reading anything that doesnât flatter his already inflated ego. So hereâs something short and sweet from Psychology Today:
âReview: The Book of Woe: Why the DSM is doomed to failâ, by Helene Guldberg, PhD
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Correction: Aftabâs inviting two psychiatrists to oppose you proves his pants are on fire.
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But like all politicians, Aftabâs greatest strength lies in talking out of both sides of his mouth.
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And for something more visually entertaining, Aftab might watch this: âThe Myth of Low-Serotonin & Antidepressants – Dr. David Horowitzâ, courtesy After Skool
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Correction: psychiatry is a profession of insults (DSM) practiced by insulting people.
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And if thatâs not too taxing, Aftab might pick up a copy of âA Profession Without Reason: The Crisis of Contemporary PsychiatryâUntangled and Solved by Spinoza, Free-Thinking and Radical Enlightenmentâ, by Bruce Levine, PhD.
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BPD is medical misogyny.
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Dear Lisa,
Thank you for sharing your poignant story. Youâve been through hell and back, but congratulations on making it out alive. I totally relate to your saying this:
âThe only therapy that made sense to me was self-introspection and a lot of reading about trauma from compassionate expertsâŠâ
And youâre absolutely right that no one should have to experience and heal from psychiatric gaslighting and abuse. But itâs my belief believe that psychiatryâs current recognition of trauma and neurodiversity is no more than lip service.
Thank you again for your remarkable testimony.
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I believe itâs called collective insanity.
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Or their half-cocked âgeneticsâ theory.
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Definition for Magical Thinking: believing that genetics explains psychic suffering
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Psychiatry is a profession of Power, big egos, and deliberate misperception.
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Itâs obvious that getting under Aftabâs skin is easy.
Heâd be well advised to fix the carefully concealed chip on his shoulder.
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Correction: psychiatry is a religion more than anything else, because it believes in magical thinking.
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And psychiatry has no answers to explain that either.
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Psychiatryâs poisoned chalice is a jug of Kool-Aid. And Aftabâs the perfect Kool-Aid Man.
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He clearly loves being psychiatryâs latest Golden Boy.
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Thank you very much, lcjohnstone. And thank you for the wonderful link.
Aftabâs inviting two senior psychiatrists to oppose you proves you set his pants on fire, but I bet he had the old farts lined up long before the interview, as anyone who dares speak the truth poses a threat their identity and Power. And Aftabâs insistence on proving abstractions proves heâs a fool, a fraud, and a fake.
And thank you for lighting the match.
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Aftabâs a politician, more than anything else, because psychiatry is politics, more than anything else.
And if that were not the case, thereâd be no cause for argument.
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Correction: Aftab needs to realize he canât out-philosophize the truth.
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BPD is the medicalized form for âbitchâ.
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Iâm so glad you finally you finally heard a voice. It must have been your own.
Daniel was that voice for me.
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An even better question: What makes Aftab want to be a publicity hound?
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Hereâs the âscienceâ behind Aftabâs psychiatry: âIt IS so because we SAY so!â
Yet for all his disorganized rhetoric, he fails to answer the most basic philosophical question: WHAT THE FUCK IS PSYCHIATRY TRYING TO DO?
Hereâs more food for thought: âOn the Heels of Ignorance: Psychiatry and the Politics of Not Knowingâ by Owen Whooley
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Is psychiatry mostly hard or soft power?
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How is Brand a hypocrite?
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I think Aftab wears two hats at the same time: drug-pushing theologian AND drug-pushing propagandist.
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You gotta hand it to Aftab. After all, it must be tough being an apologist for psychiatry in this day and age.
But as the saying goes, âItâs a dirty job, but somebodyâs gotta do it.â
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Maybe Aftab should spend a little less time twittering and a little more time listening.
And hereâs something that just might expand his awareness a wee bit:
âPsychiatryâs Cycle of Ignorance and Reinvention: An Interview with Owen Whooleyâ, a conversation with Ayurdhi Dahl, PhD, courtesy MIA
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Someone needs to ask Aftab about the philosophy of bait and switch.
Definition for Bait and Switch: Fraudulent or deceptive practice.
The ploy of offering a person something desirable to gain favor (such as political support), then thwarting expectations with something less desirable.
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Psychiatry needs to go the way of the girdle.
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Believe this:
Psychiatry has no facts to back up its claims, by god.
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Doctors in general give me the creeps.
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It seems the more things change, the more they stay the same:
âMotherâs Little Helper: The History of Valiumâ, historyhit.com
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If Aftab felt secure in his convictions, he wouldnât bother with MIA â
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Psychiatry doesnât âtreat diseaseâ, it creates iatrogenic illness.
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Correction: Aftab needs to realize he canât outtalk the truth.
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What Aftab fails to see is this:
Psychiatry will eventually collapse under the weight of its own liesâwith or without MIA.
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Aftab needs to check his calendar: itâs 2023, not 1983, so controlling the narrativeâs a thing of the past, thanks to the internet.
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It used to be barefoot and pregnant. Now itâs drugged and compliant.
âMotherâs little helperâ: Vintage Drug Ads Aimed at Women, goretro.com
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Aftab needs to realize he canât outrun the truth.
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Aftabâs the perfect front man for a âprofessionâ that sees its days are numbered, but his carefully modulated hissy fits are a testament to MIAâs integrity. He sees the writing on the wall and it has him running scaredâŠ
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No, but the robots who prescribe sure do.
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You might find some videos and books by Daniel Mackler to be helpful, rasselas.redux. Heâs a former therapist who addresses childhood trauma and breaking from oneâs parents with a lot of understanding.
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Psychiatry claims to be medicine, but itâs actually a socially acceptable form of drug trafficking that lobbied for DTCA at the end last century. Itâs not about health, but the bottom line.
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What world do these researchers live in?
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Sad how much things have changedâŠ.
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Doctors will remain ignorant and afraid of lawsuits until theyâre offered more guidelines.
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I agree. Psychedelics have the potential to make opiates look like childâs play.
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I agree 100%. The professionalization of emotional support is a terrible invention.
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I agree that much of whatâs labeled âgreat artâ is not relatable, and that womenâs perspective is often ignored or silenced. And art definitely attracts a lot of snobs.
To me, art is just another form of expression, to communicate soul to soul, to make the unconscious conscious.
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You gotta hand it to psychiatry trying to walk back its biological reductionism. But itâs definitely overcompensating.
Hereâs what most people truly need: space and time to grieve unprocessed emotions – – unmolested by psychiatryâs intrusive machinations, pharmaceutical or otherwise.
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Psychiatry isnât medicine. Itâs a criminal enterprise of drugging and jailing.
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Hereâs a novel idea: Donât start antidepressants in the first place.
A YouTube video to watch BEFORE starting antidepressants:
âThe Myth of Low-Serotonin & Antidepressants – Dr. Mark Horowitzâ, courtesy After Skool
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Living in a state of numbness is not living.
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Perhaps it shouldnât be.
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Reductionism is not the answer. But neither is brain clutter.
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A drug-dependent society is a terrible legacy to pass onto the young.
A related video on YouTube: âHOLY SH*T! Big Food Is Profiting Off Sick Kidsâ, courtesy Russell Brand
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I wish you good luck, as you certainly have your work cut out for you!
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Itâs long been an open secret: âpsychotherapyâ is a potential playhouse for predators.
And why doesnât it matter to these people that the psychiatric drugs already prescribed produce similarly negative outcomes?
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I donât think increasing disability rates spell victory, especially when accompanied by a rise in psychiatric drug prescribing.
The side effects of psychiatric drugs are destroying peopleâs ability to support themselves in increasingly large numbers.
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Exactly. Psychiatry is all about âdiseases and disordersâ, and imaginary ones at that.
And âpsychotherapyâ is no better in that it creates an unhealthy dependence on âtherapyâ.
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Maintaining the status quo through drug sedation (psychiatry) is a form of oppression.
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Not quite the same. Psychiatry claims to be medicine.
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Psychiatry and its drugs ruins the quality of life for many.
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Art, humanities and psychiatry do have something thing in common: all are unwisely placed on pedestals.
Living should be revered, not someoneâs rendition of it.
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Indeed. The arts give meaning and expression to the human experience, whereas psychiatry destroys what it means to be human.
And âpsychotherapyâ caricatures human relationships.
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Because the Federal Government has agreed to pay for psychiatryâs âstandard of careâ, which is primarily psychiatric drugs, and because the pharmaceutical industry is a huge part of the economy.
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YES!!! Psychiatry doesnât âtreatâ drug dependence, it PRESCRIBES drug dependence, INDEFINITELY â
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Psychiatryâs co-optation and de-radicalization of peer-support and psychedelics does nothing to change the fact that itâs CODIFIED BIGOTRY co-opted by financial interests.
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Your welcome, Lauren, and thank you for your warmly insightful article.
I agree. Open minds and hearts works wonders. And BELIEVING in ourselves is key.
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Psychiatry is the only profession where a practitionerâs self-actualization depends on destroying the self-actualization of others.
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âForcing agreement on one shared story, which will no doubt be created by those who hold the most power, is oppressive and dangerous for people who have experienced the dominant paradigm labels, diagnoses and âtreatmentsâ.â
Psychiatry and psychotherapy exploit peopleâs need for attachment and attention.
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Thereâs nothing more co-dependent than the therapist-client ârelationshipâ.
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Good article.
The arts and humanities embrace and express the reality of human suffering in ways that are incredibly healing.
Neuropsychiatry is a haven for the heartless, and for those unable to accept the vagaries of life.
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Traditional psychotherapy is a psychological trap based on an unnatural and unnecessary power imbalance imposed by those whose main goal is having power over vulnerable people. Itâs self-aggrandizing for the therapist and infantilizing for the client.
A peer-run approach is the only civilized way to conduct âtherapyâ, if one seeks it at all.
People heal best on their own.
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Get a load of this:
âIllness trajectories depend on developmental processes, learning, and behavioral interactions on multiple spatial and temporal scales, which involve levels of the organization across neurobiological, cognitive-affective, interpersonal, and social systems.â
Translation: LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE
And while youâre at it, try having a little respect for the people youâre dealing with.
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People who abuse psychiatric patients need to be held accountable.
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Psychiatry dominates and disempowers through diagnoses and drugs.
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Who needs psychiatryâreductionist or otherwiseâwhen a little Jung is all you need?
On YouTube: âCarl Jung – How to Find Your Soulâ, courtesy After Skool
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Psychiatrists, and medical doctors in general, are now the âmiddle menâ of the pharmaceutical industry.
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Psychiatry needs to learn one thing: wordiness only goes so far.
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âPsychiatric disordersâ are autoimmune âdiseasesâ of the soul.
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By choosing to disregard the data compiled by Robert Whitaker and Joanna Moncreiff, psychiatry is guilty of criminal negligence.
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Psychiatry is the elephantâs turd.
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Exposing children and adolescents to notions of âmental health awarenessâ is totally inappropriate because it makes them think thereâs something wrong with them for not feeling their best at all times; theyâre too young to have perspective about their feelings. Itâs a grossly irresponsible use of the power of suggestion.
Children need to know that feelings are a part of living, and be taught how to respond to their feelings in positive, self-affirming ways. Anything else is confusing and harmful.
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Psychiatry has all the data it needs, thanks to Robert Whitaker and Joanna Moncreiff.
And by ignoring this data, it remains a profession of negligence by its own choice.
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Conventional psychiatry isnât medicine, itâs the nuclear option.
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Healing comes from collaboration, not domination.
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Psychiatry is as much a political tool today as it was during the Nazi era, as its goal is essentially the same: power and control by whatever means necessary, which today includes psychedelics.
But has anyone imagined the iatrogenic damage in years to come?
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Trauma has turned the world into a gathering of re-traumatizing psychiatrists and psychotherapists.
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Whatâs a âsuccessful outcomeâ in psychiatry? People chronically dependent on its âmedicationsâ.
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Psychiatry will never admit to being a total crock of shit.
But thanks to the internet, fewer and fewer people look to the likes of âJAMAâ.
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maradel says, âThey [doctors] are very insecure and enjoy their massive power trips.â
100% TRUTH.
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Doctors who rely on the DSM are completely irrational.
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Maybe people should stop being data-dependent and instead ask themselves this burning question:
WHY rely on âdataâ more than your own intuition?
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Some people need to pull their heads out of their data-dependent asses and instead consider these novel ideas:
1. Maybe emotional distress isnât physical illness
2. Maybe psychoactive drugs arenât a good thing for most people
3. Maybe talk therapy isnât what itâs cracked up to be
Then finally ask themselves this burning question:
Is turning to a medicalized, data-dependent system for emotional distress good idea?
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Psychiatry is colonialism at its most extreme.
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What do you know! Psychiatryâs finally come full circle with psychedelics. And who knows? Maybe with this latest twist, theyâll finally admit that psychiatry is drug pushingâŠ
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The people at JAMA need to pull their heads out of their data-dependent asses and instead consider these novel ideas:
1. Maybe emotional distress isnât illness
2. Maybe psychiatric drugs are a bad thing
3. Maybe talk therapy isnât what itâs cracked up to be
Then finally ask each other this burning question:
Why turn to the medical community for emotional distress in the first place?
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Thereâs nothing more âdisalienatingâ than listening to people (be they men OR women) unconsciously guided by chauvinistic attitudes.
Definition for Chauvinistic: displaying excessive or prejudiced support for oneâs own cause or group; the irrational belief in the superiority or dominance of oneâs own group or people
And thereâs nothing more chauvinistic than psychiatry and its self-satisfied offshoot called âpsychotherapyâ, as both are based on gratifying the egos of their practitioners.
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No one needs anyoneâs convoluted, self-serving theories regarding psychosis when the explanation is simple: people retreat from reality when life gets too painful. And if they sense safety, they often come back.
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Definition for Intellectualism: the exercise of the intellect at the expense of the emotions.
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No one learns to empathize by living in an intellectual bubble.
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Who would have thought that treating people with dignity could actually be a good thing?
But I guess thatâs not enough for people more interested in making a name for themselves, i.e. Freud, Lacan, etc.
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Intellectualism, as opposed to psychosis, is just another way to dissociate from intolerable feelings. And itâs long been a refuge for the intellectually pompous, i.e. âpsychiatryâ and itâs chronically confused cousin better known as âpsychologyâ.
There is such a thing as thinking too much. People need to get out of their heads and into their hearts.
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I agree 100% with Lauraâs assessment of the situation regarding psychic distress in todayâs world; that itâs one of financial exploitation on top of personal victimization â which explains why so many people high on the abusive end of the narcissistic spectrum hold jobs as âmental health workersâ. And itâs definitely spread by the misuse and overuse of psychological language that characterizes emotions as illness. And any effort to reclaim the narrative, i.e. âDI Without The Disorderâ is definitely a step in the right direction.
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The mental illness industry is exactly that, as itâs misuse of language has infected an entire generation.
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Never underestimate the power of words.
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Itâs all a matter of subjective interpretation, imo. And why define it at all?
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Well, I have to admit Iâve never thought that much about it, so Iâll leave the answer to that question up to youâŠ
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You can add Charlie Chaplin to the mix: âA Message For All Of Humanity – Charlie Chaplinâ courtesy T&H – Inspiration & Motivation on YouTube
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And thatâs about as far as it goesâyâall can keep your stupid floppy-sack!
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The main problem with psychiatry is that all you need to do is say âbooâ to have the fools reach for their stupid DSM. And most psychologists are no different.
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Worth a glance: âSplitting: The Psychology Behind Binary Thinking And How It Limits A Diversity Of Opinions,â by Ilana Redstone in Forbes Magazine
My takeaway was this quote from psychologist Andrew Hartz:
âThereâs an Islamic mystic who described how harmful it is to divide people into groups, say only good things about some and only bad things about othersâŠâ â something that accurately describes the âmental healthâ industry.
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What I find remarkable about the enlightenment era is how adamant some people were about separating the mind and body. And I wonder if this had anything to do with the fact that these were men who never had to contend with the agonizing realities of either menstrual cramps or childbirth. Because if theyâd had to, I bet theyâd have stopped thinking like a bunch of stubborn two-years olds. And while I donât believe thereâs any such thing as the completely egotistical construct invented by the completely egotistical Freud called âpenis envyâ, there is definitely such a thing as âpenis privilegeâ.
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Cartesian dualism is actually a form of âsplittingâ, the defense mechanism used by people unable to tolerate ambiguity. And âsplittingâ is what characterizes most of the people who practice psychiatry and psychologyâand when challenged, they resort to gaslighting.
So there you have it, the two things that characterize the system of âmental healthâ: splitting and gaslighting.
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I agree, feeling and thinking are intricately intertwined. But as you say, âFeelings do not lieâŠâ
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However, I do consider âmental illness industryâ an appropriate metaphor.
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James Hillman is brilliant:
ââŠ.medical jargon refers to nothing.â
âIt is an extreme materialism and pro technocratic thinking based on labels, procedures and it will be worse.â
âThinking based on procedures and labels is a programming of the enlightenment era leading to technocracy.â
âAnd there is no sign of psychiatric victims in this corrupted evil society.â
This is an evil society and things probably will get worse in some ways. But I hold out hope for radical change in how people see âmental illnessâ.
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Your most welcome, Penni.
And I agree, the metaphors used by the mental illness industry are a huge disservice to humankind.
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Correction: Dr. Cornwall, not âColemanâ. I do apologize for my oversight.
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Listen and enjoy: âAwaiting on You Allâ by George Harrison, courtesy Soft lyric on YouTube
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âThe JHP was the venerable journal of a revolutionary movement begun in the 1950âs to provide a âthird forceâ in the field, to counter the two dominant movements of Freudâs psychoanalysis and B.F. Skinnerâs behaviorism.â
Human beings are not just their brain chemistry; they are mind, body and spirit/soul. In my mind, humanistic psychology recognizes what other psychologies and certainly psychiatry do not, which is the overriding reality and beauty of the human soul, without which life loses its purpose and meaning.
Check this out on YouTube: âThis Is Priceless – George Harrison On What Lies BeyondâŠâ T&H – Inspiration & Motivation
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Uncomfortable feelings labeled as âmental illnessâ are messages from within that something is wrong in our life, not in our âbrain chemistryâ.
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What happens in a world without mercy? You get things like psychiatry and psychology.
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By the time some chooses to train as a psychiatrist, itâs usually too late to make any headway.
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For the most part, NAMI is a support group for the families of âThe Identified Patientâ.
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Psychology needs to shut up and change its name to cognicology. It doesnât belong in the âfeelingsâ business. And psychiatry needs to shut up entirely.
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I used to think having a medical degree indicated an ability to think critically. Needless to say I no longer think this way.
But Dr. Gotzsche is that rare exception.
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And sometimes extremes states are caused by living under too much stress.
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The field of psychology should be called âbehaviorismâ because thatâs all it is. After all, âpsycheâ means âsoulâ and souls canât be âclinically studiedâ.
And psychiatry should be called drug pushing, because thatâs EXACTLY what it is.
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I was delighted to read something about human suffering that actually captures the essence of what it means to be human:
âTo have seen those JHP journals on the library shelves full of merciful caring about human suffering, was proof that the human heart and spirit could prevail over the head and the dangerous objectification of the disease model of psychiatry.â
âThe contrast was human-hearted compassion and potential for all, verses human-disordered abnormality/pathology and emotion-killing psych drugs for all.â
My thanks are to you, Dr. Coleman. A heart-centered approach should be the gold standard for helping people, and also for living a good life.
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Correction: SHARING kindness and REALLY meaning it â
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Wonderful article and wonderful quote:
âMerciful love can help relieve the emotional suffering of extreme states.â
Not receiving merciful love is usually the reason people find themselves in an extreme state. And showing kindness can bring them back.
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The âmental health systemâ mutilates human relationships.
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All part of the new colonialism.
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A scarily accurate depiction of modern medicineâand psychiatry in particular.
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Psychiatry calls it psychosis.
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People donât need a disease-centered, agenda-laden system. They need caring human beings without an agenda who know how to listenâsomething that used to be called a very good friend.
Healing happens in understanding, NOT âdiagnosesâ.
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Someone should ask these characters if theyâd feel comfortable having a robot look after their kids.
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Dear Penni,
Thank you for sharing your story. I relate to it because like you I believe much of what is thought to be âmental illnessâ is actually a spiritual breakthrough brought about by repeated moral injuryâinjuries usually made worse by a system that speaks a different language.
And I wish you many Happy Returns on your Spiritual Birthday!
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âEgo collapseâ is a great term. When the ego dies the spirit survives.
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And I wouldnât be surprised if higher rates of addiction to psychiatric drugs correlates with higher levels of income. After all, thatâs just what the pharmaceutical cartels are counting on.
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I agree, physics canât replace the psyche. And for the most part, distressed people are suffering from soul sickness, not âmental illnessâ.
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I think it depends on what you consider âmental illnessâ.
Enduring financial hardship and deprivation can cause high levels of stress that can adversely affect peopleâs state of mind and ability to function. And unfortunately this usually gets categorized as âmental illnessâ.
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Who needs âbrain imagingâ to prove that poverty and maltreatment damages children in lasting ways?
Only idiots needs brain scans to realize that emotional scars are as real as physical ones.
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The researchersâ stupidity is rooted in assuming that âdepressionâ is an illness in the physical sense.
Itâs time these people put away their electronic toys and signed up for some courses in semantics and logic.
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ââŠ.the moment we want to be something we are no longer free.â – J. Krishnamurti
âFreedom from the desire for answer is essential for the understanding of a problem.â – J. Krishnamurti
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âDo not pursue what should be, but understand what is.â – J. Krishnamurti
Thought is never free because it is based on knowledge, and knowledge is always limited.â – J. Krishnamurti
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âA man who says, âI want change, tell me how toâ, seems very earnest, very serious, but he is not. He wants an authority whom he hopes will bring about order in himself. But can authority ever bring about inward order? Order imposed from without must always breed disorder.â
– J. Krishnamurti
âAll ideologies are idiotic, whether religious or political, for it is conceptual thinking, the conceptual word, which has so unfortunately divided man.â – J. Krishnamurti
And thereâs nothing more divisive than psychiatry and psychology.
Definition for Divisive: alienating, estranging, isolating, schismatic, discordant, disharmonious, inharmonious â all of which aptly describes psychiatry and psychology.
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Correction: Ramesh is the author, not Rasx.
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âThey talk about the psyche without the psyche itself, it is as if they were talking about theology without God. It is insanity.â
Psychiatry and psychology are the products of an insane society.
Psychiatry and psychology fail society because they ignore the reality and transcendence of the human soul.
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âThe primary cause of disorder in ourselves is the seeking of reality promised by another.â – J. Krishnamurti
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âIf you begin to understand what you are without trying to change it, then what you are undergoes a transformation.â – J. Krishnamurti
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If more people found peace in themselves, fewer would end up taking psychiatric drugs or paying some mannequin to listen to them.
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Rasx says, ââŠnot to project the image of what you want to be as against paying attention to what you areâŠâ
Psychiatry and psychology exploit peopleâs confusion.
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The author asks, âWhat alternatives do you have to simply coping with it? Simply adjusting to it?â
I think finding some kind of peace within yourself is what needs to happen before anything else.
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Imo, âtherapyâ itself is a pathololgized relationship.
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Psychologically speaking, the author seems to have all his ducks in order. However, he contradicts himself when first saying:
âFrom the relational-intersubjective standpoint, both the therapist and the context/system are unavoidably a part of the very experiences that become pathologised as individual disorders.ââ
And then saying:
âThough in relational-intersubjective therapy there is an inevitable âasymmetryâ â as there necessarily is in any therapeutic relationship â the model [relational-intersubjective] assumes and encourages an epistemological equality with regards to what is occurring and what it means.â
Why canât he see that an âinevitable asymmetryâ directly contradicts any claims of âepistemological equalityâ â the lack of which is extremely pathologizing?
All heâs done is prove how some people will say anything to maintain a pathologizing power imbalance, which, incidentally, ensures him of being capitalistically compensated.
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Thereâs no point in having a discussion with people already convinced the moon is made of green cheese.
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Itâs not that complicated. Peopleâs emotions and frames of mind are most often the result of their interactions with others, while people stuck in Cartesian thinking are usually the result of disconnected control freaks addicted to power.
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This article does a good job of explaining how Freud and Descartesâ dissociative ideas became a gaslighting technique that exists to this day
âRelational-intersubjectiveâ is just a fancy term for seeing the person in front of you.
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Dr. Gotzsche says, âADHD is the product of vested commercial, political, and institutional interests.â
Psychiatry itself is a product of vested commercial, political, and institutional interests.
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Who in their right mind would assume thereâs no collusion between the FDA and Big Pharma when so much moneyâs at stake? And donât forgetâwhen their stint is up at the FDA, youâll find them on the board at some Big Pharma.
Financial interests always win out.
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Psychiatry is propaganda disguised as science.
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Judi Chamberlin: âPeople are unlikely to question the underlying premises of their occupations, in which they often have a large financial and emotional stake.â
This is why so few âcliniciansâ critically evaluate psychiatryâs many unprovable assumptions: the validity of their âdiagnosesâ, the reliability of their prognosis, and the necessity and safety of their so-called âmedicationsâ. And their habitual use of the word âclinicalâ hides the fact that they themselves are afraid of admitting their whole shebang is full of holes.
If you want to persuade people, just pepper your speech with scientific language, itâs an effective marketing tool for just about anything.
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Correction: âdoubt my realityâ means doubt my intuition
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And I donât think anyone can successfully argue that psychiatry is anything more than a glorified drug racket and medicalized con game.
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The complexity of the mind first and foremost includes the emotions, as these are ultimately what guides peopleâs thoughts and actions.
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Traumatic injury/memory gets stuck in the body as much if not more than anywhere else. And this is where psychiatry, psychology, and western medicine in general miss the boat. The DSM is an extreme example of how fragmented western approaches are.
Psychiatry and psychology have destroyed peopleâs faith in their ability to process emotional trauma without drugs or reliance on some foolâs idea of âpsychotherapyâ.
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Thatâs for damn sure. But itâs gotten even sicker since hitching its wagon to the pharmaceutical industry as anything thatâs profitable financially inevitably controls the narrative. But megavitamin therapy sounds interesting though, as it probably helps restore peopleâs messed up physiology from either psychiatric drugs or other psychoactive substances like alcohol, etc.
And anythingâs better than psychiatryâs sanitized drug hustling or psychologyâs mindless minds fucks.
Definition for Mind Fuck: the process of raping someoneâs intelligence and/or beliefs with lies and manipulation
Definition for Psychiatry and Psychology: the raping of someoneâs intelligence and/or beliefs with lies and manipulation
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David,
Thank you for your generous offer, but right now Iâm not needing it. But I donât doubt EMDRâs effectiveness as trauma definitely gets stuck in the mind and memory, and people definitely need alternatives to psychiatryâs drug-happy medical model.
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Correction: psycho-TROPIC drugs, not âpsychoticâ drugs, although in my experience thereâs not much difference â
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Scwnorway,
Thank you for the fantastic link.
It would be great if psychiatry were disbanded altogether. But realistically this wonât happen anytime soon because real change rarely comes from the top down. More likely to happen is psychiatry eventually going the way of cigarette smoking, meaning it will probably take a long time for the majority of the population to learn from bitter experience that psychiatryâs sick assortment of diagnoses and drugs are not the best answer.
However, I think it inevitable that the DSM will be formally discredited, hopefully with an admission that most psychic distress is caused by relational-environmental factors. And who knows? Maybe sooner rather than later an increasing number of general practitioners will be less likely to automatically prescribe psychotic drugs.
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I canât say enough good things about something that fosters reconnecting with oneself rather than symptoms, i.e. psychiatryâs superficial âdiagnosesâ. Reconnecting With Yourselfâ needs to be everyoneâs motto.
Your kind and considerate perspectives are EXACTLY where the âtherapeutic modelâ (and anyoneâs perspective for that matter) needs to be.
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And âtalk therapyâ is not only the epitome of capitalism, itâs capitalism at its worst â
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maedhbh,
Thank you for sharing your personal observations about therapy; they closely mirror my own:
1. The dishonesty of paying for kindness and compassionâwhich is the opposite of kindness and compassion
2. Using âtransferenceâ to protect and maintain what is essentially a destructive power dynamic
3. Money wasted on bad memories âdug up about which nothing can be doneâ
4. Being told you are incurably ill and hopelessly broken from someone with something to gain
5. Forced to cope with abandonment from boundaries âsuddenly put up by a previously accepting therapistâ
6. That most therapists are egomaniacs
7. That most therapists like having power over vulnerable people for all the wrong reasons which DEFINITELY âtakes a certain level of arrogance to think that wayâ.
Thank you maedhbh for saying it all.
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And I forgot to mention how IFS uses curiosity in untangling the complexity of the mind rather than shutting it down with drugs or other narrow-minded âtherapeuticâ methods.
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Yes! Psychiatryâs continuous diagnostic rambling is enough to drive anyone batty.
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And because pharmaceutical companies are greedy â
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So whatâs the point of âtalk therapyâ?
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Pictures speak louder than words.
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Thank you for agreeing with me, Someone Else. I just hope the world is finally ready to listen to something thatâs long overdue.
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Terry,
I just visited your website (healingtheself.net) and am glad I did. Itâs thorough without being exhaustive and accessible without being simplistic, something essential in an area as broad as mental health. Your âPerspectivesâ section is particularly illuminating as it includes the most relevant topics: âThe Spectrum of Traumaâ, âBreaking the Trauma Cycleâ, âWestern Medicineâ, and âInternal Family Systems (IFS)â. Itâs important you placed these topics together as these are all interconnected, and connecting the dots is something too few people are doing. And the quotes youâve chosen are brilliant.
Thank you for devoting your life to something so important and central to what truly matters. I wish you the best in your new vocation.
Birdsong
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My anger at psychiatry ultimately lead to my leaving psychiatryâand in that way anger proved valuable.
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Dear Terry,
Thank you for saying everything that needs to be said about a non-pathologizing approach to psychic distress. You succeed in making the complicated understandable in a beautifully cogent way.
I appreciate your explaining in detail how Internal Family Systems parts-centric approach acknowledges not only the impact of the subconscious, but also âthe notion of the Selfâ and how respecting that Self, oneâs âtrue essenceâ or innate dignity, is central to the healing process, i.e., âbecoming wholeâ. And I especially appreciate your mentioning how psychiatry is âlocked into a paradigm of neurotransmitters and genetics, [that] misses whatâs right in front of its face, and turns a blind eye to mountains of evidence supporting the role of environmental distressâi.e., traumaâin mental health.â Your ideas are SPOT ON.
I too believe âa revolution is brewing with respect to mental health treatment in our cultureâ, but more strongly I hope âthe beauty of IFSâ will be at the forefront thisâand perhaps eventually of life itself.
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Psychiatry isnât about humility, itâs about disconnection and judgment; itâs a psychological cancer that affects all of society.
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Imo, psychiatry is nothing more than an absurd gallery of pseudoscientific diagnoses whose DSM represents one gargantuan psychological autoimmune âdisorderâ.
Itâs too bad psychiatry canât diagnose its own own pathological tendency to diagnose and label everything under the sun.
In contrast, Internal Family Systems is a path towards true healing, as itâs based on compassion and common sense.
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Psychiatry isnât about listening, itâs about imposing pseudoscientific beliefs on others.
And most of the time people are âdiagnosedâ before theyâve even uttered a wordâand most of the time their goose is cooked if the doctor doesnât like them.
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Never underestimate the power of the internet, and M.IA. is a good place to start.
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Correction: DIDDLY-SQUAT
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You canât talk yourself into forgivingâit has to be feltâsomething I suspect Decartes knew diddly about.
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And psychiatry is neither intuitive NOR thoughtfulâbut it IS emotional nitpicking – –
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CORRECTION: Healthy forgiveness isnât about inducing shame through emotional power plays.
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Imho, healthy forgiveness isnât about inflicting guilt through emotional power plays.
And I think itâs more important to forgive oneself for not wanting to forgive those who have hurt us.
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I also bet Decartes, like most of todayâs psychiatrists and psychologists, was secretly one angry dudeâand Heaven knows thereâs nothing more destructive than unacknowledged angerâwhich I think is the foundation of all of psychiatry and most of psychology.
And thereâs nothing wrong with anger; itâs one of most instructive and protective emotions anyone can haveâif dealt with authentically.
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Thereâs nothing objective about psychiatry; it sees people through a psychologically distorted lens.
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Dear Dr. Ophir,
Thereâs now a fighting chanceâthanks to people like youâfor which Iâm eternally grateful.
And as word of your book gets out among the general public, I seriously believe youâll find way more allies than foes.
Thank you for fighting the good fight, Dr. Ophir. I wish you all the best from now on in your truth-telling quest.
Birdsong
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Rasx,
Thank you for the wonderful quote from Heidegger:
ââŠthere are thoughtless emotions but no emotionless thoughtsâŠâ
I think CBT is an exceptionally thoughtless approach. And how do I know this? UmmmâŠIâm not sureâŠI just had a feeling.âŠ
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Thank you for thoroughly explaining the true nature of healthy forgiveness and questioning its value when itâs used to control people.
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Yet another attempt by the âmental health industryâ to psychiatrize every culture with its tone-deaf heavy-handedness.
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Thank you for an outstanding article.
Itâs heartening to know that Dr. Ophirâs book is receiving such positive scholarly reviews. I hope his bravery encourages others like him to speak out against the institutional gaslighting not only surrounding ADHD, but all the other scientifically baseless âdiagnosesâ that constitute the fallacious field of psychiatry. And I sincerely believe itâs only a matter of time before it collapses from the weight of its own lies.
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ericwsetz says, âThe first step is a willingness to be there with the patient and understand what they are saying.â
Which just happens to be the basis of ANY healthy relationship, and most importantly needs to starts with the first: with oneâs parents/caregivers in childhood
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ericwsetz says, âPatients are not out of their minds they are too deep in it.â
Yes! And itâs not just psychiatry â âpsychotherapyâ often sets up its own convoluted âclinicalâ traps for people needing to get OUT of their heads â
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CORRECTION: Decartesâ way of thinking always struck me as pretty ONE-SIDED â which has turned out to be a detriment to humanity, imho.
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So-called âmental health awarenessâ in schools is about as helpful as an infestation of head liceâpsychological head lice, that is. They are no longer places to learn and be educated, they are places to be labeled and âmedicatedâ.
And children often live up to a teacherâs worst expectations.
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And for what itâs worth, Descartesâ way of thinking always struck me as pretty narrow-mindedâand I bet he was an egomaniac to boot!
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Psychological issues donât belong in a medical textbook.
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Making value judgments based on forgiveness is not conducive to the healing process; itâs an entirely personal matter that canât be dictated.
People forgive in their own time and in their own way, if at allâand whether or not thatâs good or bad is for them alone to decide.
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Rebel,
Please note: nowhere did I claim that âforgiveness is impossibleâ â I said forgiveness is SOMETIMES impossible.
And I respectfully find your attitude towards a lack of forgiveness to beâfor lack of a better wordâunforgiving.
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CORRECTION: âThat explains psychiatryâs main flaw: it refuses to see âSYMPTOMSâ in context.
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Psychiatric labeling isnât medical progress; itâs pejorative language/thinking caught in a time warp.
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âThe motivation to remove the symptom has resulted in what Poole calls a âever-increasing proliferation of context-less achievementsâŠlocal scientific successes which precede even the remotest notion of how to deal with them ethically or how to integrate them into the needs of the totality.â
That explains psychiatryâs main flaw: its refusal to see experience in context.
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Charlotte says, âThe discipline [psychiatry] pretends to be an objective classification of people, borrowing language (âdiagnosisâ) from physical medicine, which assigns the label of disease following the identification of a pathology, which one hopes can be targeted and cured. But the analogy fails in psychiatry. There are few known biological pathologies. And who is to say what cure is?â
Not only thatâwhoâs to say what pathology is? And THATâS the problem with psychiatry: it uses medicalized name-calling (âdiagnosesâ) to sell its designer drugs. And thereâs a label for that: FRAUD â
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Some wounds never heal completely, and sometimes forgiveness is impossible, but thereâs nothing shameful or âsickâ about this. Itâs just accepting emotional realityâsomething that leads to emotional maturityâwhich is the beginning of wisdom, something psychiatry knows little about.
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Fear of emotion is why some people see intellect as separate from the somatic.
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And the irony is psychiatry lacks the insight it accuses âpatientsâ of lackingâwhich is WHY itâs ethically and scientifically vacant.
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The DSM isnât objective; itâs evidence of psychiatryâs warped subjectivity.
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Psychiatry is entirely subjective. Indeed, how objective can it be when itâs based entirely on labeling WHATEVER IT ALONE deems âabnormalâ or âunhealthyâ?
But the real tragedy is that it fails to see how much itâs shaped by its own biased thinking.
But psychiatry isnât about thinking; itâs about its practitioners NEEDING to think theyâre ALWAYS right: hence they thunk up a COLOSSALLY STUPID DSM.
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CORRECTION:
Psychiatry INVENTS âillnessâ to defend its ignorance.
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Psychiatry creates âillnessâ to DEFEND its ignorance â
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Psychiatryâs âcycle of ignoranceâ is a revolving door that creates âillnessâ to maintain its ignorance.
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Psychiatry taught me to hate myself.
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Psychiatry isnât medicine; itâs a medicalized Hall of Mirrors.
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And just WHAT did psychiatryâs carnival of catastrophe do for me besides create havoc with its debilitating drugs?
1. It made me doubt my reality
2. It hijacked my healthy sense of self
3. It convinced me I couldnât function without its patronizing âinterventionsâ
ALL of which proved untrue once I FINALLY got off its merry-go-round of so-called âmental illnessâ and smorgasbord of so-called âmedicationsâ.
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Professor Whooley says:
âPsychiatry persists because of the professionâs strategies to manage its ignoranceâŠâ
Translation: psychiatry persists because it believes its own lies.
âIn order to make those changes and to promote those reinventions, psychiatrists engage in hype.â
Translation: psychiatry is more public relations than science.
âNow the flipside to hype is hubris. Psychiatrists believe the hype and then undertake these transformations in an incredibly aggressive way.â
Translation: psychiatryâs become big business by teaming up with the pharmaceutical industry and its advertising flunkies while sending its latest edition of the DSM to every doctor in town.
All of which leads to one conclusion: psychiatry is what happens when quackery meets propaganda.
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In a word? Emphatically NO. But it might be a step in the right direction if psychiatry realized that stress and trauma are the true culprit, not its idiotic assumptions of biological/genetic whatnot.
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And the same goes for psychology, too.
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Me too. After all, most religions are based on sacred texts that believe in salvation, whereas psychiatry, (a secular religion based on its DSM/bible) says youâre eternally damned â
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And whatâs the BIGGEST source of neuroticism be it animal or human? The âmental healthâ industry, imho; itâs one big neuroticism factory
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Beatrice g,
I have to disagree with your saying that âfixing traumaâ requires âtherapeutic practicesâ when itâs been clearly demonstrated time and again that children, animals and adults heal best in loving, non-judgmental environments, which often means staying as far away as possible from the so-called âtrauma expertsâ.
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Yes! The the social structure of todayâs society and modern family dynamics are EXACTLY where âpsychiatric problemsâ start. But psychiatryâs answer is to have the whole world drowning in âdiagnosesâ and drugs or endlessly spinning their wheels in diagnostic-infested âpsychotherapyâ.
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Very true. Itâs sad reality when children arenât safe in the very places they need it the most: home and school.
And a lot of doctors and âtherapistsâ just continue the pattern of bullying and name-calling through âdiagnosingâ and labeling and call it âmental healthâ.
Itâs no wonder the kids are upset when thereâs nowhere to turn.
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I see psychiatry as medicalized bullying, and itâs important to stop bullying at its source.
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âWhat are the socio-cultural factors of modern society that drive [abuse and bullying]âŠ?â
Let me take a wild guessâŠhow about psychiatry!âŠ.you know, that marvelous bully-inspired invention that prescribes chemical dissociation instead of emotional integrationâŠ
ââŠ.and what can we do to reverse its course?â
First of all, QUIT making excuses by seeing people as âpatientsâ instead of full human beingsâbe they children OR adultsâwhich means DUMPING psychiatry and its endless list of invented âdiagnosesâ/âdisordersâ as soon as possible.
It all starts with seeing people as doing the best they can in a sick society, NOT the other way around.
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And Iâve often thought thereâs way more to learn from watching âDog Whisperer with Cesar Millanâ than listening to so-called âtrauma-informedâ therapists or so-called âhumanâ psychiatrists.
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Is there a difference between genetics and eugenics in psychiatry? Not much, imho.
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Psychiatry is just another way for egotistical people to deny reality in any way possible at otherâs expense in more ways than one.
Alice Miller places blame where it belongs.
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Steve,
Freud chickened out alright. He turned out to be an egotistical coward more anything.
And thank you for pointing out the true reason behind blaming peopleâs brains: the refusal to face reality, both personally and collectively.
Looking at it historically, though, deflection has always been used by the ruling class, one way or another. Just look at the Middle Agesâbut instead of blaming the brain, they blamed the devil.
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At least Freud had curiosity and imagination. But even these got out of control, not to mention his unhealthy need to always be right, a fixation no doubt shared by none other than the great Emil Kraepelin, the founder of psychiatric eugenics. (Opps! I think I meant âgeneticsââŠ.)
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Imo, psychiatry keeps going around in circles because itâs main goal is power, not truth.
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I donât think âexpertsâ like thinking too much (i.e. âmentalizationâ, or âreflective functioningâ), because questioning their assumptions means questioning their power. So conversations with them too often pointless, Iâve found.
So whatâs my answer? Hauling out the old âcaveat emptorâ approach. After all, doing your own research never hurt, and it just might save your life. Or just trust your own instincts and move on.
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I think a lot of problems come from people unconsciously needing to feel more powerful than the next person so they can get away with bossing people around; power means more than truth to them.
And this most likely comes from not having their emotional needs met in childhood, so having power-driven jobs like psychiatry or psychotherapy fills their unmet need to feel powerful.
So life for them becomes one big long âI know more than youâ kind of game that they never outgrow, but instead of flexing their muscles, theyâre flexing their egos, imho.
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The honor and pleasure is mine, Moyu. The world needs more people like you
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Dear Moyu,
Your art is amazing, just like you.
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Krista says, âThe lack of apparent insight by the self-appointed âexpertsâ in human behavior is perfect bitter irony.â
Not only perfect bitter irony, but an uniquely cruel one that places misery upon misery, imho.
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Moyu says:
âBecoming more resilient means, for me, that I take the fragments of my identity which have become lost in the course of my life so far, and carefully and attentively re-assemble them into an intact ego so that I can perceive myself ever more accurately and clearly.â
âI look back on past times until they feel alive and warmâŠ.I believe that is helpful â and an essential part of livingâŠ.â
âGiven these accumulating personal observations, I find it hard to understand why, even today, research on schizophrenia focuses so heavily on genetics; why helping affected persons involves antipsychotics above all; and why the knowledge and experience of affected persons are barely recognized.â
âIf we have an increased susceptibility to stress and psychosis, then there are always reasons for this, which are as individual as we ourselves are.â
âExcessive treatment with antipsychotics and psychiatric medication in general can hide the true causes of mental problems and disorders, stand in the way of real healing, and destroy real social interactions.â
âAs humans and as inhabitants of the Earth we all depend on each other: physically, intellectually, and emotionally. So all of us need to be willing to learn from and with each other in mutual respect, to live together and establish a resilient community.â
Thank you for sharing your remarkable story and insights, Moyu. Itâs a beautiful testament to the resilience of the human spirit. I hope it inspires real change in the mental health system and the world at large.
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Excellent comment.
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Moyu says, ââŠ(when I had finally found a psychiatrist and psychotherapist who treated me as an equalâŠâ
Being thought of as an equal and treated as an equal is where healing begins in any relationship.
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Thereâs a world of difference between trying to help people and trying to âfixâ them. And imo, psychiatry doesnât see the difference.
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I felt stigmatized by psychiatry, infantilized by psychotherapy, and demoralized by bothâand diagnoses and power imbalanceâthe foundation of bothâare the reasons why, imo.
No one seeking help needs to feel worse than they already do.
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Why not just leave âthe expertsâ out of it?
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Hereâs another word for shape-shifter: VAMPIRE.
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ââŠa shape-shifter who knows how to market himself.â
THAT says it all.
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Psychology has always had an inferiority complex when it comes to other sciences, but adding neurology to the mix just adds to the confusion.
Come to think of it, both psychology and psychiatry have an identity crisis because both believe theyâre sciences.
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Professor Whooley says:
âPsychiatry persists because of the professionâs strategies to manage its ignoranceâŠâ
âIn order to make those changes and to promote those reinventions, psychiatrists engage in hype.â
âNow the flipside to hype is hubris. Psychiatrists believe the hype and then undertake these transformations in an incredibly aggressive way.â
Excellent interview, but imho itâs just a long way of saying psychiatry is quackery.
And the definition for quackery is: dishonest practices and claims to have special knowledge and skill in some field, typically medicine.
Sounds like psychiatry to me.
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KateL says, âPeople who were abused in the mental health system are experts in how the system abuses people. I guess some people just can handle that objective fact.â
Very true. Your statement reveals how most âmental health expertsâ are incapable of self-reflection.
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Thank you KateL, for pointing out how the âexpertsâ try to defend themselves by discrediting people who donât share their views with stupid phrases like, ââbe careful not to over generalizeâ, and flipping from âthis is objective factâ, to âah well, itâs more art than science.ââ
Did it ever occur to the âexpertsâ that psychiatry and psychology ARE BASED on over generalizations???
When it suits the âexpertsâ narrative they call it objective fact, and when THAT fails they haul out the old bromide, âitâs more art than scienceâ, which simply means they don’t know what they are talking about.
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ââŠthe gaslighterâlike all verbal abusersâoperates from what they know to be your fears, insecurities, vulnerabilities, and neediness.â
âAdditionally, as in other types of verbal abuse, there has to be an imbalance of power with the gaslighter holding all the cards.â
âThis [your inclination to doubt yourself] is something the gaslighter knows about and he or she stands ready to exploit.â
Psychiatrists AND therapists will often use these gaslighting dynamics to gain an unfair advantage over vulnerable people.
And people saying, âThatâs just their training, theyâre really just trying to help,â IS BULLSHIT because for the most part, people who have no problem using these tactics are more interested in HAVING POWER OVER OTHERS more than EMPOWERING OTHERS; they obviously prefer infantilizing people.
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ââŠ.sometimes all you need is a genuine person to help you stand up when you are down and reignite not the light at the end of the tunnel, but the light within yourself. Self-love and self-awareness are the key to a healthy life.â
Yes!!! THIS is the way to heal broken hearts, minds, lives and relationships, NOT name-calling (diagnoses) and âpsychiatric medicationsâ.
Thereâs nothing better than help from someone whoâs been there and sees you as capable of helping yourself.
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Whether or not thereâs neurological evidence of emotional trauma, the bigger problem lies in seeing the results (âsymptomsâ) as medical issues, i.e. âpsychiatric diagnosesâ; the medical model just continues the trauma of disrespect, blame, and neglect.
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Addition to number 3:
3. Not only seriously curtail the use of psychiatric drugs, but stop saying these âtreatâ a âchemical imbalanceâ or other âmental illnessâ that need to be taken âthe rest of your lifeâ.
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Thanks for the info, LivingPast27, though it looks like Europe has caught up: âHow depression treatment differs throughout Europeâ, from the Guardian. It shows how important it is that M.I.A. is getting a foothold in more and more countries around the world.
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Yes!!! Apologizing and making amends to the patients theyâve harmed is as important as anything. But I was trying to stay within the realm of the possible.
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True. But I think things will eventually change; itâs just going to take a lot more time and lot more needless suffering.
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Thank you Krista, for your detailed clarification.
I read Francesâ insulting rebuttal to the late Dr. Caplan, but I wasnât surprised by his blatantly condescending attitude and remarks. But I do consider it an excellent example of the attitudes psychiatric survivors are up against, which is why self-rescue is too often the only option.
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Fraud, medical neglect, exploitation, and lack of patient/public education/information are what makes psychiatry psychiatry, and is why it needs to go the way of the dinosaur asap.
So what does âtreating patients betterâ actually mean? It means any one of the following, but should begin with the first:
1. Throw out the DSM and do not replace it
2. Stop claiming that psychiatric problems are biological or genetically linked
3. Seriously limit the prescribing of psychiatric medications
4. Seriously limit the use of ECT
5. Make it illegal for any physician to force medicate or medically incarcerate
6. Replace psychiatry with the many alternatives currently available
And when these happen, no one will be needing to find an exit.
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Psychiatry is eugenics in action:
âScreening for Mental Illness: The Merger of Eugenics and the Drug Industryâ, by Vera Hassner Sharav, MLS, from The Alliance for Human Research Protection
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As I previously stated, if people want to take psychiatric drugs or undergo ETC, thatâs their business. What I object to is psychiatry falsely claiming that peopleâs problems are lifelong and biologically or genetically based, permitting the overprescribing of psychiatric drugs while downplaying the risks, and last but not least their ability to force treatments or involuntarily hospitalization on people which can be for indefinite periods of time.
Psychiatryâs abuse of medicine, power, and peopleâs human rights got a HUGE boost when psychiatrists collectively decided in 1980 to adopt the medical model through an admittedly flawed checklist system for their admittedly flawed DSM, which makes psychiatry not only misleading, but downright fraudulent. And the resulting devastation to both individuals and society are becoming increasingly apparent and definitively undeniable.
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The body-brain chemical makeup can greatly affect how emotions are felt and thoughts are perceived. And lots of things can screw it up: too much stress (emotional, psychological or physical), prescription medications, environmental or recreational substances, and even bangs on the head. But none of these indicate biologically or genetically caused illnesses.
From the New York Post: âWhy more women, like me, are abandoning the pill over emerging health concernsâ by Rikki Schlott.
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Correction: âIf people want to take âpsychiatric medicationâ or subject themselves to ECT, thatâs their business, but they need to be CLEARLY informed of significant risks of side effects and/or withdrawal reactions both immediate and future, and that NO âillnessâ is being âtreatedâ.
And NO ONE should have the legal authority to force any âtreatmentâ, or âhospitalizeâ someone who hasnât committed a crime.
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Ideally, all medicine should be based in a Functional-Holistic paradigm. But present reality demands no longer seeing emotional distress through a medical/diagnostic lens, beginning with a dissolution of psychiatry and its DSM.
If people want to take âpsychiatric medicationâ thatâs their business, but they need to clearly know thereâs significant risk of side effects and/or withdrawal reactions, and that no âillnessâ is being âtreatedâ.
And no one should have the legal authority to hospitalize someone who hasnât committed a crime.
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Itâs not hard seeing how disconnected modern society is when you stop to think how insane it is having people pay someone for emotional supportâand on top of THAT calling it âmental healthcareâ. Itâs not a sign of progress; itâs a sign of degradation.
And as corny as it sounds, things wonât change until people get out of their heads and into their hearts.
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Worth a listen: âRelease Trapped Emotions in 2023â, a video by Eckhart Tolle
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Daisy Valley is right. Psychiatry and Big Pharma have become a huge, financially driven bureaucracy.
If only more people knew just how petty psychiatry really is, then maybe things would start to change.
And all they need to do is look in the DSM.
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dogworld says, ââŠthe power structure of psychiatry is the root of the issueâŠâ
Thatâs where the problem begins and why psychiatry needs to end.
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Richard says, âUnfortunately, you have fallen into Healyâs âoh so charmingâ trap of pragmatic rationalizations for justifying oppression.â
I agree with Richard.
IMHO, most psychiatrists are driven by an unconscious need to hide from their own hidden vulnerabilities. Why else would they seek to obliterate feelings through drugs and ECT?
And psychiatryâs veneer of science gives the illusion of invulnerability.
Itâs all about power, similar to what drives most bullies or those who want to be seen as saviors.
Freud was absolutely right about one thing: the unconscious influences behavior. And scientists are no exception.
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Psychiatry uses science as a smokescreen for its evil.
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Most psychiatrists unconsciously expect people to kowtow to their supposed âexpertiseâ.
And those who wonât can expect to be punished, i.e. diagnoses, drugs, and ECT.
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Thereâs one way people can cut their losses: simply call a spade a spade.
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Thereâs surgical lobotomy, chemical lobotomy, and electrical lobotomy.
What more does anyone need to know???
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ââŠ.an impoverished sense of selfâŠ.â
THATâS the defining feature of âpsychiatryâ and âpsychologyâ.
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Thank you for pointing this out. Your example sounds much better. My sentence wasnât grammatically correct, but I do try my best.
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Steve,
Expecting people to kowtow reveals the kind of people working in the âmental healthâ system.
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Freud was by no means the first to divine the meaning of dreams. Any study of ancient cultures would show you that.
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KateL says, âWe have a basic right to human dignityâŠI was robbed of that rightâŠâ
This is why psychiatry should be abolished.
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Why rely on âexpertsâ who havenât experienced ECT?
Arenât peopleâs personal accounts enough?
Has anyone bothered to ask the dear Dr. Healy (or anyone else who canât make up their minds about the dangers of ECT) if theyâd be willing to subject themselves or their loved ones to ECT?
How much more âproofâ does anyone need?
Science has been put on a pedestal that leads people away from their intuition and common sense.
âThe expertsâ would be wise to remember thereâs a point at which ânuanceâ becomes a hindrance to seeing and accepting the cold, hard truth.
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No one need rely on âpsychotherapistsâ to process their trauma. People can do a lot on their own, in their own time, in their own way: writing /journaling, reading, listening to peopleâs experience on podcasts and videos, talking with friends or family members, including animals, engaging in hobbies or creative pursuits, volunteering, and spending as much time as possible in nature.
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Sam Plover says:
âI suggest we all become shrinks or lawyers and then we will be safe from slander. It will then come down to who can outslander whom.â
THATâS what psychiatry boils down to: SLANDER â
âThey are a childish, immature, selfish hateful bunchâŠ.you better tread careful.â
Indeed. Only childish adults think the way most psychiatrists and psychotherapists do, i .e. having to believe theyâre always right, and having temper tantrums when âpatientsâ tell them theyâre not.
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Wow. Who wouldâve guessed that talking to someone could be helpful??? And wouldnât it be great if people werenât made to believe they need an âexpertâ???
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Psychiatry and psychology are the inevitable result when the denigration and exploitation of human beings becomes second nature.
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Thank you, Lori.
Iâm very sorry getting off the psych drugs is causing you so much pain and trouble. It can take a long time for your body to readjust. And itâs even harder when the people who should know something donât.
I donât know whatâs worse, the effects of the so-called âmedicationsâ or the stupidity of the so-called âtherapistsâ. The whole thingâs a scam, imho.
Just hang in there as best you can, believing you will get through this.
Birdsong
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Yes!!! Everything in psychiatry and psychology is morally wrong and NOTHING they believe is beneficial and therefore IS NOT JUSTIFIED.
And spending time in nature is magical.
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Psychiatryâs political abuse ALWAYS exists in some form, beginning with its so-called âdiagnosesâ.
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They it called âpsychopathyâ to make it sound impressive so they can charge a fee when all it is listening, and most psychotherapists do a lousy job of that.
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Somehow, the destructive idea that psychological problems are medical has to be discredited and dismantled.
Universities no longer educate; they complicate and discriminate.
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Most psychotherapists see people as âdisorderedâ, just like most psychiatrists do
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The term âpsychotherapyâ implies illness which indicates medical which leads to the can of worms called âpsychiatric diagnosesâ. Itâs as weaponized as psychiatry.
On the other hand, the word âcounselingâ has a much less negative connotation, i.e. legal counsel, pastoral counsel, guidance counsel, parental counsel, etc. And in these situations, people are share knowledge, experience, wisdom and guidance that (hopefully) isnât biased on pseudoscientific âdiagnosticâ beliefs.
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And THAT goes for âprofessionalsâ as much as ANYONE ELSE â
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I no longer use words like âdepressionâ or âanxietyâ. I just say sad or apprehensive.
And the same goes if someone is acting in a way I dislike. So instead of saying something nasty like âsounds like someone has a personality disorderâ, I just take the time to describe their behavior.
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But it IS consistently based on a âpower imbalanceâ and the exchange of money, something thatâs unfair, unnecessary, unhealthy and inappropriate when all it is is talking with someone.
And psychotherapists are trained in psychiatric ideologies, i.e. âmental illnessâ, âpsychiatric diagnosesâ; theyâre psychiatrists without a prescription pad which can be even more damaging.
Either way, itâs all about power, manipulation and money.
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Thereâs one criticality important thing Ms.Heller doesnât mention, or perhaps is unable/unwilling to see: that itâs not uncommon for manipulative people to be working as mental health professionals.
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Sounds like just more Big Brother.
Powerful organizations always try to fix things after the fact, and canât see how perhaps they and society are part of the problem.
Children and adults need emotional support from people who truly care about their wellbeing, but not from prying professionals paid to police their private lives.
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This is true, but I think most are too dissociated to comprehend whatâs really going on. The ones at the top of the heap are another matter entirely.
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Dear Ramesh,
You might look into something at The Withdrawal Project (TWP). Itâs part of ICI, the Inner Compass Initiative. These are dedicated to helping people who are looking to reduce or come off psychiatric drugs.
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Birdsong made a mistake.
Bill Wells says, ââŠsome organizations can be extraordinarily closed.â
And Birdsong says, âMost of these belong to psychiatrists.â
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And btw, Freud wasnât the first to notice the importance of dreams. Just look in bible.
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Beatrice g asks, âWhat lie are you referring to?
I can think of two, right off the bat: little girls have âpenis envyâ, and little boys want to sleep with their mother.
Worth a glance: âWas Freud right about anything? Spoiler: not really., By Benjamin Plackett, from LIVESCIENCE
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Itâs been said many times before: itâs important live with both eyes WIDE OPEN â
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Brilliantly written and powerfully cogent article.
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HERE IT IS!!! In print! Just what Iâve always sensed and been trying to say here all along, which is that psychiatry (and its loyal sycophantic twin known as âpsychotherapyâ) are BULLSHIT GALORE â
âGoffman [a sociologist] emphasizes the role stigma plays in psychiatric diagnosis and treatment by expounding on its insidious barrier to recovery and the dehumanization and de-personalization which stimulates further damage and marginalizes victims. Essentially stigma breeds contempt and contempt breeds blame.â
Such are the so-called âhealingâ dynamics of psychiatry and its partner in crime âpsycho-therapy.â
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Dear Beata,
Youâre not alone in your efforts in truth telling. These videos might be of interest to you, at least in spirit:
âThis Changes Everything|Graham Hancock Interviewâ with Russell Brand
âFree Julian Assange: Noam Chomsky, Dan Ellsberg, & Jeremy Corbyn Lead Call at Belmarsh Tribunalâ from Democracy Now!
Take care,
Birdsong
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To yinyang:
I wasnât fully aware of that, but I think MIA is as radical as Iâm comfortable with. And I also think itâs a good idea to post in a place that has a somewhat more broad appeal, as something more radical might be too radical and therefore reach fewer people.
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And worth watching:
âBill Gates Said WHAT About Vaccines?!â By Russell Brand
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Worth reading:
âPolitical Abuse of PsychiatryâAn Historical Overviewâ, by Robert van Voren
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âToday, the vast majority of psychiatric drugs are prescribed by general practitioners.â
Psychiatric drugs are harmfulâno matter how you get them.
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Another good question.
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Bill Wells says, âAs Tip OâNeill wound suggest, the politics start at the local level. And some organizations can be extraordinarily closed.â
Psychiatryâs not medical. Never was, never will be. Itâs political, which is why it needs to go.
The political (punitive) abuse of psychiatry already exists in some form as evidenced by peopleâs inaccurate beliefs and attitudes towards people with psychiatric labels and the laws permitting forced psychiatric drugging and detention. And this will continue as long as psychiatry exists in any form. And THATâS the truth and the horror OF IT ALL.
And psychiatry has people up a creek because being a former or current user can make it difficult to be taken seriously, or even ruin someoneâs life personally and professionally. (Did I say psychiatry is political? Yes I did!) So people are left with word of mouth that thankfully is often the most effective (and safest) way for real change to happen.
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I refuse to become someoneâs puppet, psychiatryâs or M.I.A.âs â
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Itâs collective denial.
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Violence isnât always physically brutal; sadism often looks benign.
Psychiatry is a case in point: it offers a way for traumatized people to unconsciously deny their trauma by wearing the mask of âdoctorâ so to legally traumatize people in the name of âtreatmentâ. Itâs sanitized sadism.
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Psychiatry is inverted psychopathy: I see it as sadism disguised.
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You learn everything except whatâs most important. And whatâs most important? How to steer clear of the âmental health systemâ.
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I believe it. And itâs why I keep saying psychiatry is drug pushing.
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Neoliberalist gives advice:
b. Individuals experiencing misery are strongly urged to âget into therapyâ.
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All that garbage to get into college so you can become a âpsychiatristâ. Explains a lot.
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This is how I see it:
Psychiatryâs hauling out their old standby CYA (Cover Your Ass) medicine because theyâre afraid of the lawsuits headed their way. So theyâre jumping on the bandwagon before itâs too late.
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Many thanks to MIA for giving voice to those who have been unfairly criticized, silenced, targeted, imprisoned, tortured, censured and censored by psychiatry and its advocates.
I hope someday there will be no need for it.
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JamesHillmamdownwiththereligionofscientism says:
âThis a killing game from the beginning. This is not even a human relationship. It is artificial relation based on false assumptionsâŠâ
Exactly! The standard âIâm fine, youâre not,â paradigm works great for âmental health professionalsâ. Now how can that be?âŠ.
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And if THAT ever happens, Iâm getting the HELL outta here!
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yinyang :
âPsychiatry works to preserve the unjust corporate-dominated system under which we live.â
Thatâs the truth. They simply go along to get along.
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And all you need to do is follow the money.
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Itâs wonderful when people support each other.
But most psychiatric prisoners have no support.
Has anyone thought if there were no âpsychiatryâ thereâd be no Jim Flannerys???
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yinyang says, âThese people can NEVER speak for us.â
Absofuckinlutely.
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Bradford,
How very sweet of YOU!!!
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Amen, Bradford! Iâve no doubt it will eventually happenâŠ
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To yinyang,
I donât have a public email, but Iâm honored by your suggestion.
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I think legally banning the DSM should be FIRST on the list.
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Kate W.âs story painfully illustrates how nothing messes with your identity more cruelly and unjustly than a psychiatric diagnosis.
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Kate W. writes, âThis is the problem with being a consumer â we get consumed.â
Wow. Reading this article confirmed my worst suspicions about people who work in the mental health system. Nonetheless I was deeply saddened as I read Kate W.âs painfully vivid account.
And itâs an eye opener for anyone holding illusions about creating alliances in a mental health system based on stigma and invasions of privacy.
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David Oaks says:
âAll this focus on psychiatry is a bit old fashioned.â
Psychiatryâs history of human rights violations has continued unabated to this day and is becoming increasingly widespread due to the undeniable association among psychiatry, Big Pharma, mainstream media, academia, and the legislative/judicial/policy-making branches of government. So promoting alliance between supporters and opponents of the current mental health system reveals not only a serious lack of understanding and concern for those caught in the mental health system, but a disturbing complacency that is best described as irresponsible.
I don’t ever consider the fight for ANYONEâS human rights âold fashioned!”
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People holding seriously different views can unite on individual issues; it happens every day and is called democracy.
However, psychiatry is the only branch of medicine that seriously infringes on peopleâs basic human rights.
I therefore see aligning with people who believe in psychiatry as making a deal with the devil; this, however, does not preclude aligning over specific issues.
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Thank you, Bradford for CLEARLY stating:
âA psychiatric âdiagnosisâ is the medical equivalent of a six-pointed yellow star pinned on your clothingâŠ.â
Truer words were never spoken.
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I second those measures.
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Thank you, yinyang, for pointing out this important distinction.
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Iâve never viewed all âconsumersâ as the same. Whatever someone decides to do is their business.
What I object to is psychiatryâs violating peopleâs human rights by feeding them lies.
And building alliances where thereâs major conflicts of interests is counterproductive, especially when one side has more power than the other. So in this area I see collaboration and half measures as ultimately harmful for those who need help the most.
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Yes, and psychiatry uses fear (on some level) to âwinâ every argument, or âdiscussionâ, which makes things airtight for them, but suffocates others.
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Exactly. And thatâs just the way psychiatry wants it!
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SoSaysAbilene says:
âWhen the oppressed set aside all disagreements with their oppressors, there will be no discussion, no collaboration, no compromise. Just capitulation and silence.â
Welcome to the world of âpsychiatryâ.
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Protecting and restoring human rights requires addressing and eradicating problems at their source, which in this case is psychiatry. But unfortunately, too many supporters of the current mental health system either cannot see or refuse to acknowledge this.
Fortunately, more and more people are gradually seeing what âpsychiatryâ actually stands for, which is the denial of human rights.
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madmom asks, ââŠ.if you do not believe in constructive dialogues between psychiatric survivors, consumers, family members, and mental health professionals, if you do not believe in recruiting allies from within the helping professions, what is your preferred strategy for implementing a global revolution of the mental health system? What activities do you believe will result in a safer, more humane world?â
First of all, I DO believe in constructive dialogue with anyone. But that is not the same as forming alliances, something that is NOT constructive when fundamental beliefs are fundamentally incompatible.
And my strategy for implementing a global revolution of the mental health system is supporting and contributing to MIA which I believe IS resulting in a safer, more humane world, as speaking out in whatever way possible is the MOST concrete action ANYONE can take.
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David Oaks says:
âAll this focus on psychiatry is a bit old fashioned.â
Human rights violations committed by psychiatry and its wide assortment of allied professionals has continued unabated to this very day, and are growing increasingly widespread due to the undeniable alliances formed among psychiatry, Big Pharma, mainstream media, academia, and the legislative/judicial/policy-making branches of government. So promoting alliances between supporters and dissenters reveals not only a serious lack of understanding and concern for those caught in todayâs mental health system, but a disturbing complacency that can only be described as irresponsible.
My question is this: WHO in their right mind would ever consider the fight for ANYONEâS human rights to be âold fashionedâ?
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David Oaks says:
âAll this focus on psychiatry is a bit old fashioned.â
Violations committed by psychiatry and its wide assortment of cooperating practitioners not only continues unabated to this day, but are getting increasingly worse with the increasing coordination of psychiatry, big Pharma, academia, government agencies, courts, and the mainstream media. So promoting cooperation between supporters and dissenters reveals a disturbing complacency about the serious issues people face when caught in todayâs mental health system, which is not only very disturbing, but most irresponsible.
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Janne says, âIt really bothers me that the whole belief that science can prove the necessity of something and that educated professionals can make good decisions for others has been going on for so long. When that happens some personal and political goals are pushed in the scientific evidence base and expressed as objective fact. But those that are interested in these kinds of philosophical problems seem few.â
Agreed. Where people used to automatically point to their bible, theyâre now saying, âitâs the scienceâ about darn near everything, from dog food to psychiatric drugs. Itâs become a meaningless trope.
And itâs societyâs collectively uncritical embrace of anything that looks or sounds remotely âscientificâ that has led to the neglect of teaching people how to think philosophically and critically question the prevailing narratives about âmental healthâ. What started as misguided Freudian interpretations gradually merged with âscienceâ and steadily morphed into the publicâs unquestioning acceptance of psychiatryâs medical model. Itâs become the worldâs latest and greatest example of mass indoctrination.
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Kudos to you, Beata, for bravely standing up for the truth. Your courage is truly inspiring.
Please know Iâm sending you my heartfelt thanks and support, and am wishing you the best of luck.
Birdsong
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Many thanks and kudos to you, Beata, for your bravery in standing up for the truth. Your courage is truly inspirational.
Please know Iâm sending you my heartfelt support, and am wishing you the best of luck,
Birdsong
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And Iâll keep hoping Iâm not mistaken in thinking that allowing dissenting opinions is what MIA is all about.
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Many thanks and kudos to you, Beata, for standing up for what you believe in.
Bravery has tragically become a scarce commodity in the world these days.
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Janne says, âIt really bothers me that the whole belief that science can prove the necessity of something and that educated professionals can make good decisions for others has been going on for so long. When that happens some personal or political goals are pushed in the scientific evidence base and expressed as objective fact. But those that are interested in these kinds of philosophical problems seem few.â
Agreed. It used to be people automatically saying things like, âthe Bible says soâ, to where theyâre now automatically saying, âitâs the scienceâ about darn near everything, from psychiatric drugs to dog food.
Sadly, today our societiesâ collectively uncritical infatuation with science has led to not teaching people how to think critically and question prevailing theories. The mass indoctrination that began with Freud has morphed into the publicâs unquestioning acceptance of âbio-psychiatryâ.
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Shaming and excluding people for not sharing oneâs sanguine sentiments is intolerant, and collectively breeds authoritarianism.
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Ms. Aybarâs says, âAs it is, the clinical psychology field continues to promote and monetize the dehumanization of mentally ill people. When will the dehumanization of people with lived experience in mental illness stop?â
Excellent question. But I doubt things will change anytime soon due to the prevailing satisfaction with the status quo from those in leadership positions. But thanks to stories like Ms. Aybarâs, peopleâs efforts now have a fighting chance, as her story powerfully and painfully pulls back the curtain on the poisonous mindsets currently being inculcated in the very places one would think there would be none.
But I never held many illusions, as I always had the uncomfortable sense that the psychotherapeutic field too often brings out the worst in very people who work in it.
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To Robert Whitaker and Anyone Else,
My using the phrase âsleeping with the enemyâ was not intended to be a personal attack on Mr. Oaks or the work he does. I consider the phrase a reasonable choice for anyone who has experienced psychiatryâs abuses and therefore understandably disagrees with Mr. Oakâs efforts to unite people with markedly different perspectives.
I personally find psychiatryâs many documented malfeasances to be much too serious to allow for any common ground with those who harbor more sanguine feelings. And criticizing those who for good reason harbor less sanguine feelings seems counter to the purposes of this webzine, one of which, if Iâm not mistaken, is to give voice to those who have been unfairly targeted, criticized, silenced, tortured, censured and censored by psychiatry and its advocates. And I sincerely hope MIA continues refraining from such practices.
Respectfully,
Birdsong
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âPsychiatric diagnosingâ is a euphemism for shooting the messenger or blaming the victim. More plainly, itâs medicalized hate speech.
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Unless they haul out that sorry substitute for âcollaborationâ they call âshared decisionâ, their pathetic attempt to maintain control by appearing cooperative.
But when push comes to shove, they know damn well who holds the power, and theyâll not likely to willingly relinquish ANY of it.
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And how do most psychiatrists âshoot the messengerâ?
By doling out âdiagnosesâ.
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Yup! Itâs âmy way or the highwayâ for most psychiatrists, thatâs for sure â
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Thank you yinyang for shedding some light on the situation.
To me itâs mind-boggling how defensive most psychiatrists and their advocates get whenever people disagree with them, especially when presenting evidence of psychiatryâs many obvious harms and fallacies. They invariably go into attack mode attempting to shred someoneâs character, i.e. âshooting the messengerâ â
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Stopping psychiatryâs obvious abuses, (involuntary commitment, forced drugging, ECT, or âpsychosurgeryâ) wonât be enough, because psychiatryâs harms are rooted in its own false premises; more colloquially, psychiatry is psychological vermin that needs to eradicated, not merely âtweakedâ.
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Yes!!! Subjugation rules the day in psychiatry.
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Youâre probably right, yinyang. However, most psychiatrists have no concern for the hatred, confusion and pain their profession creates.
And no one ever attained meaningful change using euphemisms.
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Steve,
Thank you for this comment. It reminded me of the term âwillful ignoranceâ. So I looked up the definition and think it perfectly describes most âmental health professionalsâ, from instructor on down.
Willful ignorance is: âTactical Stupidity. The practice can entail completely disregarding established facts, evidence, and/or reasonable opinions if they fail to meet someoneâs expectationsâ
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Itâs uncanny how typical it is for therapists and psychiatrists to turn a deaf ear to peopleâs real concerns, as they usually demand to be seen as having more knowledge than anyone else, especially when they know they donât!
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The hypocrisy begins with saying that âexperts know bestâ. The fraud begins when theyâre paid for it.
Learning to live comes from actually living, not from those paid to read from a script.
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Problems begin in assuming that âprofessionals know bestâ. And hypocrisy begins when theyâre paid for it.
You learn to live from actually living, not from people who read from a script.
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Bradford ,
Iâm not blaming Woanjun Lee. Iâm stating my opinion on the study heâs reporting on. And I think important to keep tabs on what passes for âscience.â.
And I fully agree with you that psychiatry is definitely unkind, and prescribes powerful neurotoxins.
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KateL,
Your DBT therapist was gaslighting you. Itâs the typical therapistâs modus operandi.
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KateL says:
ââŠat some point the best decision is to say, screw all the therapies.â
THAT was the beginning of healing for me.
âAt some point, the patient realizes that maybe the âtreatment providersâ enjoy seeing patients face rejection, suffer, fail. Itâs the only thing that makes sense.â
THATâS what Iâve always thought! I think a lot therapists unconsciously live to experience schadenfreude; why else would they seek power over others?
And some are definitely full-blown sadists.
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Psychiatric survivors donât need any more burdens placed upon them.
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To my dear friend Bradford,
Are you asking me? If so, hereâs my answer:
No one should be expected or pressured to form an alliance with people who refuse to fully accept and stop the harms they cause, even if they stop harming.
Survivors arenât responsible for appeasing their perpetrators.
Allying with psychiatry is allying with barbarism.
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Thank you, Someone Else. THATâS what psychology is: âThe Study of the Blatantly Obviousâ.
And so is psychiatry.
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You learn how to live life THROUGH LIVING IT â not from âprofessionalsâ who donât have enough sense to know that psychiatric labels are BULLSHIT.
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Someone Else is right. The whole âmental health systemâ is âintrusive, insane, and devoid of common sense.â
And most people who work in it get drunk on power, sooner or later.
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Thank you, anotherone. Thatâs very kind of you.
And it actually means something because no one made you say it.
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People need to learn better ways of taking care of themselves emotionally, and this doesnât happen through âdiagnosesâ. It happens by being with others who openly share their own struggles, not people who hide behind âcredentialsâ in order charge a fee.
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âThe Power Imbalanceâ
âToday, there are few opportunities to get help without also receiving a diagnosis.â
This is the root of the problem caused by the current âmental health systemâ. As soon as a diagnosis is given, an insidious process of infantilization starts taking place that may not be dislodged until serious damage is done to someoneâs self-concept. Itâs as damaging as calling a child âbadâ.
âYou make yourself the master of another through language and the power inherent in language.â
This is exactly what psychiatric language does, FOR psychiatrists, and anyone else who uses it. It gives the illusion of power and knowledge when all it actually does is strip people of their own.
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This conference is a huge step in the right direction. But Iâm afraid itâs just going to spawn another school of âtherapyâ that inevitably puts itself ahead the client. In other words, just another ego trip for unhealed, unconsciously insecure therapists.
What helped me get beyond therapy better than anything was learning to heal myself through self-therapy, courtesy Daniel Macklerâs many videos and books. No gimmicks, just truth, through and through.
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Just goes to show what some people are made of.
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And most therapists âtreat traumaâ like itâs the flu.
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Art can threaten those in power because it reflects the unconscious, something they instinctively know they canât control.
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âJohnstone points out that if you only have a trauma-informed focus, you can fall into a trap of becoming too individual-focused and forgetting the interaction with the power structures in society.â
This point canât be emphasized enough. Therapist who say they âtreat traumaâ are doing the same thing as those who use DSM labels, making âtraumaâ just another label that ignores the surrounding situation, or âstoryâ.
The only thing people need is to be heard by someone who doesnât hijack their story, âtraumaâ or not.
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Psychiatrists and psychologists donât âdiagnoseâ anything, but they frequently do misinterpret EVERYTHING â
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– âWords affect both the person who utters the words and those who receive them.â
THATâS an understatement. Psychiatric language devalues people and allows practitioners to talk down to them. Not very âtherapeuticâ.
– âBut psychiatry has the problem that it does not base itself on what people actually say, but what it thinks they mean.â
Hereâs what most psychiatrists (and psychologists) fail to see: that DSM âdiagnosesâ are no more accurate and even less useful than the Freudian interpretations of yesteryear. In other words, theyâve merely exchanged one bogus idea for another. Not very âinsightfulâ.
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Artistic ability is one of the greatest gifts to give the world. But unfortunately, most of it isnât respected unless itâs profitable.
But I think it goes deeper than that, as art sometimes reflects things people arenât willing to see. And a lot of the hostility comes from jealousy.
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Itâs paternalistic, alright, and in all the worst ways.
All it proves is that people, both men and women, take for granted someone running their home or having their kids.
They need to remember that people are PAID for doing housework, and that women can now RENT OUT THEIR WOMBâand if THAT isnât âworkâ, I donât know what is.
And thatâs a lot more work than any man will ever do.
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Sure sounds like it.
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Iâm surprised they havenât already. Theyâve co-opted just about everything else: âart therapyâ, âdance therapyâ, âmusic therapyâ, andâhow could I forgetââtalk therapyâ.
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Genuine acts of kindness and freely chosen social connections do more than improve so-called ânegative affectâ, they prevent it. And no one needs a study to know that.
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Some people are too arrogant to grasp the true nature, meaning and reason for religion: feelings of awe, gratitude and humilityâall of which are spiritualâsomething theyâre loath to accept, for who knows what reason.
Itâs too bad when people have no sense of the transcendent. But some people have no ability to be humble.
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People like E. Fuller Torrey are too arrogant to grasp the true nature and meaning and reason for religion: a sense of awe, humility, and gratitudeâwhich are non-material, which means spiritualâsomething he seems loath to understand.
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Why would anyone want to unite with people who promote themselves to persecute others?
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Emotional distress and psychological collapse doesnât come from out of the blue. It comes from one of two things:
1. Bad things happening that no one can be blamed for, or
2. Getting treated like shit from people who should know better
Kindness and social connection are the foundation of any healthy relationship, NOT âchemical imbalancesâ
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Someday psychiatry and its âtherapeuticâ offshoots will be seen for what they truly represent: complicated defense mechanisms used to hide from emotional reality.
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l.e._cox says, âThe biggest problem with most academics (not to generalize) is that they canât confront, and thus see problems as much more complicated than they really are.â
THATâS the godâs honest truth. But some people get a kick out of complicating things. Or maybe theyâre just cowards.
NEWSFLASH: Psychiatryâs not rocket science. And neither is psychology, for that matter. But making people think they are can bring in lots of self-satisfaction, not to mention plenty of dough.
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And what is âspontaneous social connectionâ? Friendship. And no one should have to pay for that, i.e. âpsycho-therapyâ.
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Spirituality is innate. Religions are arbitrary inventions.
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Someone Else says, ââŠ.declaring all âwomanâs workâ volunteer workâŠis a staggeringly paternalistic attitude.â
Some do âwomanâs workâ for a living. Theyâre called nannies, housekeepers and cooks.
Some unfairly judge and denigrate for a living. A lot of them are psychiatrists and therapists.
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Thereâs no love in psychiatry.
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Psychiatric drugs numb the emotions and thus prevent the processing of trauma.
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Thank you Dr. Gotzsche for your dedication to truth and integrity. A textbook critical of psychiatryâs current inaccurate narrative is badly needed, and I hope it gains traction in mainstream circles.
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âResearchers have debated what it means to recover from mental illness, with âprofessionalâ opinions often differing greatly compared to service user opinions.â
I think psychiatrists are extremely arrogant to think theyâre the ones to decide what ârecoveryâmeans.
And most think youâre âsickâ if youâre not punching someone elseâs time clock.
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Doctors are the ones who are addicted to drugs. Patients are just being âcompliantâ.
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Psychiatric drugs prevent the processing of grief from trauma.
Feeling the feelings is how healing happens.
And no one âneeds a therapistâ to do it.
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âMeth but for childrenâ.
Scary but true.
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Psychiatryâs replaced it with diagnoses and drugs, while other psychs preach âresilienceâ, âmindfulnessâ or that granddaddy of them all, âpsychotherapyâ.
The un-psyched call it âproactiveâ.
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Itâs spiritual gaslighting.
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Beautiful. Only love. No labels, drugs, or âpsycho-therapyâ.
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Thatâs the gist of it all.
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Breakdowns could be breakthroughs, if psychiatry left people alone.
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Psychiatric diagnosing is codified abuse. Itâs medicalized gaslighting.
And psychiatryâs only concern is protecting its own turf.
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These researchers need to grow up, get real, and to quit trying to win the science fair.
Itâs way past time to feed someoneâs empty stomach instead of their own bloated ego.
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Howâs this for an alternative: find something to do other than ruining peopleâs lives.
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Telling children thereâs something wrong with their brain damages their budding sense of self.
Itâs a sanitized form of psychological abuse.
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Sheltering in place was a huge relief because it gave me a reason to stay out of places where music is constantly played. And things are a lot quieter with the advent of earphones. A lot less musical bombardment, which helped me gain some mental and emotional equilibrium.
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Psychiatry and psychology promote unrealistic standards for peopleâs thoughts, feelings and behavior. Theyâre very judgmental. Just like religion often is.
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My late aunt was hospitalized only once in her life for the only psychotic episode she ever had. Thank goodness the attending psychiatrist realized she was suffering from a one-time event because she hadnât been that way before. So when she was discharged she didnât fill any prescriptions or continue with âtherapyâ. And she was never psychotic again.
And what was the matter? She was suffering from extreme loneliness.
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Thank you again, Bradford, for your steadfast support.
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justsayno86,
I think people who donât realize theyâre psychiatric prisoners are unconsciously using defense mechanisms, i.e. âStockholm syndromeâ or âidentification with the aggressorâ) as a means of survival.
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The only reason Allen Frances did an about-face on the DSM was because he saw it was becoming a laughing stock, not because he suddenly grew a conscience.
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âOne thing psychiatrists will never invent is Ethics Deficit Disorder and put themselves or their own brethren through some brain scan studies.â
âEthics Deficit Disorder is no more or less real than Borderline Personality Disorder, Oppositional Defiant Disorder or Internet Gaming Disorder.â
Terrific comments, registeredforthissite.
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I would never tell someone to drink from a poisoned well, nor to walk over quicksand.
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Good question.
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Thereâs nothing ethical about the mental health system.
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Thank you very much, justsayno86. I greatly appreciate your generous appreciation.
You are right. Psychiatry IS the greatest enemy. But itâs an invisible enemy, which makes it more dangerous. And people definitely need to be warned.
I also canât imagine why anyone would ever want to unite psychiatric survivors with psych consumers. And anyone who thinks itâs a good idea shows a serious lack of understanding.
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Thank you, Bradford. Your kind words and support mean a lot to me.
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Lawsuits and snobbery are the name of of the game.
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Constantly hearing music stresses me out, and I never knew how much until the pandemic.
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I doubt Ghandi or Dr. King would criticize or censor someone speaking what is true for them, as this is inhumane.
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One definition of science is âinterpreting an observation of the environment that is limited by the tools available for observingâ.
But most psychiatrists and psychologists lack the most important tool: an open mind.
Psychiatry and psychology see people through a diagnostic lens, which is the epitome of evil in anyoneâs language.
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And what is âsoul growthâ? Itâs the âevolution of a personâs spirit on the journey from fear to loveâ.
And whatâs the purpose of âspiritual growthâ? âTo help you embody your soul or Higher Self, to shift from ego to Soulâ.
But psychiatry and psychology call people âsickâ, which makes these both the Devil Incarnate.
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Spirituality essentially means emotional growth, which means the broadening, deepening or âmaturingâ of a personâs soul, which means gaining an awareness and understanding of oneself and others and how this relates to the world around them.
But this is a deeply personal, complex process that tragically gets hijacked by psychiatric diagnoses, drugs, and even âpsycho-therapyâ.
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Itâs all about emotional growth.
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Sam says, âAn authentic attempt at âhelpâ looks nothing like what is occurring.â
Medicine has no business involving itself in peopleâs emotional/psychological matters.
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sam plover says, âFunny how a shrink will accept that his patient is âsickâ, he never questions what you say and even has a bunch of diagnoses on hand.â
Yeah, and they call it âmedicineâ.
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Fiachra quotes, ââŠ. I was told I would have to take Mind-numbing Thorazine-like drugs for the rest of the lifeâŠâ
So was I, which was THE BIGGEST BULLSHIT GOING.
âMental Health Diagnosis is mostly a play on words, and the idea that psychiatric drugs are medicine is rubbish.â
Psychiatry is nothing more than a play on words, and this makes (most) psychiatrists THE BIGGEST liars out there.
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Fiachra says, âI think some of these âpsychiatric controllersâ must be psychopathsâŠâ
Iâd bet my life on that.
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Fantastic article. It reveals like no other how one-sided and corrupt the psychiatric industry, Big Pharma, and the legal system have become.
âThe very fact that someone has been given any psychiatric label is used in a staggering variety of ways to deprive them of self-respect, dignity, self-confidence, employment, custody of their children, the right to make decisions about their medical and legal affairs, and even their livesâŠ.â
âAnyone in danger of losing their human rights â or their life â through a court proceeding should have someone like Gottstein advocating for them, because he is a tireless advocate, knows the law inside and out, and never loses sight of what is true, what is right, and what is humane in its respect for his clientsâ dignity.â
A YouTube video worth watching: âOH SH*T, THIS JUST HAPPENEDâ, by Russell Brand
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These neuroscientists could have learned a lot from this YouTube video: âA Critique of NeuroscienceâAs it Relates to Psychological Healing From Traumaâ, by Daniel Mackler
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Psychiatry unequivocally deprives people of their humanity with its pseudoscientific diagnoses, iatrogenically harmful drugs, damaging ECT, and forced medication/hospitalization. And none of these build diplomacy or allies, but definitely deny peopleâs human rights, which is criminal. So expecting meaningful dialogue with people who not only deny their humanity but also their human rights is not only unrealistic, it is illogical.
And while there are no laws demanding anyone face their inner demons, more than enough people have learned more than enough about psychiatryâs demons or âdark sideâ with its violations of social justice which is the reason for this website.
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I was replying to David.
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Miracles happen when you treat people with dignity.
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Steve,
Hereâs an article from the New York Times about how Quakers deal with âmental illnessâ:
âFor 175 Years: Treating the Mentally Ill With Dignityâ by Debbie M. Price
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Whatâs the definition for enemy? A thing that harms or weakens something else.
This describes psychiatry and those who practice it and is the reason I have no respect for either.
And if you want to talk about âsweeping generalizationsâ I suggest you start with the DSM.
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Nijinsky says, âSomething does happen when you step out of investing in using fear, trauma, coercion and physical violence to control peopleâŠThatâs what snake oil salesmen do, and lately the mental health system.â
Yes, and I would posit that miracles happen when people step out of psychiatry.
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Steve says, âI think we should all be in touch with our own inner sense of what is ârightâ and true, rather than following some outside interpretation of reality.â
I agree completely. And I forgot that Buddhists donât believe in a deity, and that Quakers refer to God as Light Within, which to me means oneâs own intuition.
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Anonymity on MIA provides safety for people to express themselves authentically, which is no laughing matter, âalliesâ or not.
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Have it your way.
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Spirituality is not conformity; itâs reality. Religion is not spirituality or reality; itâs conformity.
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What do you mean âNot ALL religions are about conformityâ
when all religions require believing the supernatural?
Being in a religion means conforming to some notion of spirituality. How is this generalization untrue?
Trying to âbelieveâ in anything more than my own intuition made me feel more disconnected, almost psychotic.
Realityâs enough to deal with.
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oldhead says, âStrategizingâ towards what end?â
THATâS the real question.
As long as thereâs money in it, itâll come to no good.
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Iâm not dismissing anyoneâs claims of whatever they think is a miracle. I just donât think one group has the authority to decide whatâs a miracle.
And psychiatry and religion are about exerting authority more than anything else.
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Nijinsky says, âReligion and psychiatry seem to be in the same boat as indoctrination rather than simply listening, being curious, and SHUTTING UP with their attempts at programming rather than allowing and showing decent curiosityâ.
Very true. Religion and psychiatry arenât about curiosity. Theyâre about conformity, how to think, talk and act like them.
And psychedelics arenât the answer anymore than psychiatric drugs.
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I see no value in watering down or sugarcoating my opinions in order to make others more comfortable.
Thereâs no point in living if you canât be authentic.
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Someone Else says, âThe scientific fraud based âmental healthâ industries are corrupted to the bone.â
I couldnât agree more.
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I consider psychiatry the enemy because thatâs how I see it. And itâs not without reasoning OR content that Iâve come to this hard-won conclusion. And youâre assuming I donât use either reasoning or content is both disparaging and diminishing, and very presumptuous.
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I thought religion and science are both driven by fear of the unknown.
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Sleeping with the enemy is still too dangerous, especially when the enemy has more power than you.
And itâs hard having to sleep with one eye open.
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The saying, âThe road to hell is paved with good intentionsâ gets played out again and again and again by âtherapistsâ with good intentions.
And this is not a mistaken idea.
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Steve says, ââŠ.generalizations about âtherapistsâ lead to mistaken ideas. Not all therapists are alike or believe in the same things.â
But they all believe in âtherapyâ, which creates more problems, in my experience.
I canât bring myself to defend anything about âtherapyâ because itâs a bad idea that only gets worse when people call themselves âtherapistsâ, no matter how well-intentioned they may be because they still represent and profit from an exploitive system based on irrational power dynamics and pseudoscientific diagnoses. So defending any part of it is morally inconsistent, imo.
And the saying, âthe road to hell is paved with good intentionsâ plays out again and again and again by people who practice âpsychotherapyâ.
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I think religion and science are both driven from fears of the unknown.
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Few can distinguish ego from instinct, which leads to all kinds of problems, western medicine being one.
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And the Catholic Church arbitrarily changes its miracles checklist, as it used to demand three âmiraclesâ. I guess they got impatient in todayâs digital world.
Itâs like psychiatry arbitrarily changing its âDSMâ checklists.
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And as for âmiraclesâ: for me, these mean good things that canât be explained. And I see no need for getting entangled in someone elseâs religiously tedious explanations, be they religious, or âscientificâ.
My question is this: why do some people insist on needing to explain the unexplainable? And my answer is this: some people need to be seen as god, and scientists are no exception.
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The Catholic Church has its own arbitrary checklist for declaring new âsaintsâ, which includes at least two incidents they arbitrarily consider âmiraclesâ. This makes about as much sense as a group of psychiatrists arbitrarily declaring new âdiagnosesâ via arbitrary checklists for their own arbitrary bible, the DSM .
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I was referring to the Catholic Church which has its own arbitrary criteria for determining whomever they arbitrarily deem a âgenuine saintâ, which includes at least two things they arbitrarily deem a âgenuine miracleâ, which makes about as much sense as psychiatryâs arbitrary checklists for its definitely ingenuine DSM.
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Craziness is defining whatâs subjective as objective.
Psychiatry and psychology are perfect examples.
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The university system, like the societies that create them, capitalize on destructive dynamics that preserve societiesâ distorted values.
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The author is looking for clarity in all the wrong places.
Even her writing is over the top.
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Anthony Knox says, âBelieving in the existence of something for which there is no evidence is the very definition of âreligionâ.
That makes psychiatry a religion, âevidentlyâ.
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Most people who work in the âmental health systemâ are obsessed with seeing whatâs âwrongâ in the person, instead of whatâs happened to the person. And even if they do happen to consider whatâs happened to the person, they still pathologize/label their reaction to whatâs happened to them.
Itâs a bollixed system from start to finish.
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How in godâs name does anyone think they know better than anyone else what qualifies a âgenuine miracleâ?
Oh, the ironyâŠ
The miracle is the fact that âeducatedâ people manage to keep a straight face while thinking like this. Which suggests they must be delusional, which makes sense regarding psychiatry, since that DEFINITELY qualifies as delusional.
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Thank you, sam.
I forgot to add that while most psychiatrists have lost their nerve, they still have plenty of gall.
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Thank you, boans.
Yes, I agree. (Most) psychiatrists are masters of looking good, and not much else.
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Why has it taken so long for âthe expertsâ to figure out what lots of ordinary people have already known for a long time? Maybe theyâre finally realizing they can no longer ignore the handwriting on the wall.
Looks to me like theyâre trying to claim the narrative before getting caught with their pants down.
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Everyone needs a sense of agency, control, freedom and privacy, of being heard, included and valued for who they are, not the objectification, isolation, exclusion and brute force used by traditional psychiatry, which is essentially sanitized brutality.
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Universities claim to be dedicated to the transmission of knowledge and wisdom. But if this were true, why are so many dedicated to modeling and motivating some of the worst in human nature: bias, intolerance, favoritism.
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Itâs mystifying how seemingly intelligent people manage to find ways to further complicate their already confused lives.
A little caution goes a long way.
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People who work in areas like âpsychiatryâ and âpsychologyâ have reached the apex of dissociation, as they have the delusion theyâre helping people. But all these do is provide a way for them to intellectually distance themselves (dissociate) from feelings and fears they canât face in themselves. Another word for this is âotheringâ, or labeling, itâs âgold standardâ, which has always been a means of survival, conscious or not.
And universities are great places to academically dissociate.
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Why does it take so long for âeducatedâ people to figure things out? Why canât they just admit the garbage theyâve been selling doesnât do anything but numb the brain???
It sounds like the jerks are starting to pay attention to whatâs happening on the sidelines and are trying to get ahead of the narrative thatâs being created by people who actually know what theyâre talking about. But as stupid as the âexpertsâ are showing themselves to be (once again), they at least sense theyâre starting to look stupid, which, btw, they actually are.
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Darkness and silence invite sleep which quiets the mind and gives the body a chance to regenerate. And hormones can be very sensitive to light-dark cycles.
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People have a right to âbelieveâ whatever they want. And I donât really give a damn one way or the other, as long as they donât try and shove what they âbelieveâ down my throat.
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I donât get itâŠ
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Traditional trappings of success (college degrees, professional/social distinction, expensive lifestyle) wards off unconscious feelings of dissatisfaction and prevents social rejection. And the university system, like the society that created it, capitalizes on these destructive dynamics to preserve societyâs distorted values.
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Steve Spiegel says, ââŠonly psychiatry uses redundancy to promote legitimacy.â
Definition for redundancy: not or no longer needed or useful; superfluous
Freud was trained as a neurologist which was why psychiatry was believed to be a âmedical scienceâ. But since he hard time establishing his practice, he had plenty of time to wonder about patients whose problems defied physical explanation. And while many of his ideas were very insightful, a lot of them were just plain nuttyâproducts of his own out of control imagination and habitual misogyny. So eventually, a few people got wise to the guy and came up with their own take on things, but not before his ideas took root in the public consciousness.
Thereâs nothing more prone to fads then the âmental healthâ system. And psychiatryâs redundancy is reflected time and time again whenever the latest psychiatric drug comes on the market, or some half-cocked âtherapistâ writes another book to publicize their own brand of âgroundbreakingâ âpsychotherapyâ. And neither of these are legitimate.
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The only thing that most âmental health expertsâ know how to do better than others is how to con vulnerable people.
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boans says, âWhat sort of delusional visions are conjured up when people speak like this?â [âtreatmentâ]
The idea of âtreatmentâ itself is a delusional visionâand a lot of mental health âprofessionalsâ en-vision themselves as saviorsâwhich suits very nicely their visions of grandiosity.
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And since emotional struggles are generally perceived as weakness, or in todayâs jargon âmental illnessâ, people who struggle (or viewed as âdifferentâ) are often met with suspicion and kept at an armâs length using various means of rejection and sometimes outright hostility.
Dynamics like these flourish in traditional college environments where competition is lauded and worldly success is venerated, so fears of ânot succeedingâ, or ânot fitting inâ make a lot of people nervous and therefore want to avoid like a contagion those experiencing difficulties because it reminds them of their own insecurities surrounding failure or not fitting in. And these feelings are often hidden underneath all the hype.
So people who donât fall in line with societiesâ expectations in thought, appearance or actions are often roundly criticized or even dismissed because people donât want to be associated with anything they perceive as âillnessâ/weakness i.e. âfailureâ (which equals rejection, the most primal fear) because vulnerability is antithetical to the whole college spiel of âwinningâ, something society lives and dies by. Itâs a vicious circle covered up by the ballyhoo of college life.
And fears of litigation are behind a lot of what drives the whole scenario these days.
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Stigma (fear) against âmental illnessâ has primal origins.
Emotional struggle on some level means vulnerability, which generates feelings of overwhelm/weakness, which leads to feelings of helplessness, which ultimately triggers fears of rejection, a feeling first felt at some point in infancy. So receiving attention and feeling accepted (having oneâs need met) are associated with survival, both physical and emotional.
And most adults continue playing this out as soon as certain levels of prosperity are achieved, by running around seeking validation and grabbing whatever status they perceive as important in their environment, as this wards off feelings of isolation and helplessness felt as infants.
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Thereâs not a chance in hell that psychiatrists will ever willingly âshareâ their power, because without it, what have they got? Not much more than anyone else, except an ability to write âprescriptionsâ for chemical junk. And so-called âpsycho-therapyâ is word junk.
Theyâre naked as jaybirds and deep down they know it.
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Stigma around mental illness has been around for thousands of years. And fear is at the root of it. And contrary to popular belief, things like âpsychiatry, âpsychologyâ and the so-called âmental health systemâ are built on stigma (fear) and do a good job of passing it along.
And universities are products of elitist thinking, no matter their geographical location. And elitism breeds unhealthy competition and discrimination that leads to destructive power dynamics on which most societies (and families) are based.
What passes for âeducationâ about âmental illnessâ in traditional venues like universities actually promotes and continues spreading misinformation (fears) about what is believed to be âmental illnessâ while stoking feelings of superiority towards those who have either not had an opportunity for such âeducationâ, or have chosen to bypass it.
Imo, having exceptional intellectual ability has nothing to do with emotional intelligence. Unfortunately, the world values and operates on an ability to process large amounts of complex information or an ability to express oneself eloquently more than emotional intelligence. And the same goes for exceptional athletic or so-called artistic/creative ability. So universities, (especially private ones) end up being highly curated, controlling environments that are more concerned with liability because this affects their marketability (image) which ultimately affects their funding. Simply stated, universities are more concerned with their reputation.
Itâs too bad being a good person isnât enough.
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Mutual collaboration with people who legally have the upper hand is impossible, and attempts at doing so is nothing but a performance in futility.
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Psychiatry canât change in any meaningful way because itâs foundation is flawed, the flaw being a belief in âmental illnessâ.
And mouthing terms like âbio-psycho-socialâ doesnât change anything. But it is good for a laugh or two.
Psychiatry wonât change because it works in ways that matter most to those who practice it, those ways being power, prestige, and money.
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Psychiatry canât change in any meaningful way because itâs flawed at its core, and the core is âmental illnessâ.
And idiotic mouthfuls like âbio-psycho-socialâ donât change anything. But it is good for a laugh or two.
And psychiatry wonât change because it works in ways that matter most to those who âpracticeâ it, those ways being power, prestige and money.
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Neuroleptics used to be called chemical lobotomies or chemical straight-jackets, which is exactly what they are.
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Relying on âprofessionalsâ to help with personal matters, no matter how trying, provides a field day for opportunists.
No one can claim âexpertiseâ unless theyâve been through it themselves, or have been by the side of someone who has, and definitely NOT in a âclinicalâ sense.
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The âclinical gazeâ is what psychiatry is all about. And psychology isnât much better. But itâs useful for keeping the powers that be and those who follow them comfortably dissociated.
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Mr. Ruck is right. Healing is, above all, relational, and this includes the relationship one has with oneâs own self. But traditional âpsycho-therapyâ is not relational in any meaningful sense. Itâs a sad and sterile substitute for the real thing.
Imo, the world would be a much better place if people stopped feeding/paying the beasts of psychiatry and psychology and instead started feeding/paying each other in more ways than one. And creating awareness through MIA is how this is already happening.
Relationships that involve emotional intimacy should never be based on money, as money is never the right incentive, especially in relationships based on a power imbalance. And money is a major incentive, no matter what self-deluded do-gooders would have people think.
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âPsychiatry at a Crossroadsâ???
Psychiatryâs a dead end that insists on calling itself a âcul de sacâ.
And it isnât âat a crossroadsâ. Itâs driving the wrong way down a one-way street on an endless road to nowhere.
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Could it be that articles like this signify the last gasps of a dying âprofessionâ? One can only hope. More likely itâs more lip service, or fear-induced naval-gazing in yet another feeble attempt to save their lying asses.
The only thing that needs to happen is for psychiatry and its cohorts to be liquidated, terminated, and utterly eradicated like any other failed business venture. And calling themselves âscienceâ or âhealing artsâ is the biggest load of bullshit ever perpetrated on society.
But psychiatry et al is far worse than a failed business or âhealingâ venture. They are the termites of modern society.
And what are the âtermites of societyâ? Well, according to academia.edu, it refers to people who exploit others. And I canât think of a better term for psychiatry and its cohorts.
And if they insist on pointing to âthe scienceâ, they need look no further than the increasing numbers of people âdiagnosedâ with a âdisorderâ and the steady accumulation of âdiagnosesâ in DSM. Itâs the manifestation of wish fulfillment for psychiatrists.
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Research like this is a disgusting waste of resources that would have been better spent on feeding and housing those in need rather than feeding the egos of people more interested in adding to their curriculum vitae.
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Itâs not about the lies. Itâs about people believing the lies.
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Itâs not about the lies. Itâs about people believing the lies.
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sanneman says, âThe ADHD narrative is severely polluted and many professionals should reconsider the information they provide.â
People should reconsider ANY information ANY professional provides.
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Some say cruelty is the point. So is greed.
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Religions metaphorically express the meaning and feeling of being alive. They hold intrinsic value individually and culturally.
But psychiatry and psychology have no intrinsic value, scientifically or spiritually, as both are ethically vacantâand take pride in being so. And the harder these pathetically gruesome quagmires try to be socially relevant, the more they fail society, as coldly analyzing the human experience dignifies no one. They are prime examples of intellectual perversity born of intellectual grandiosity, that mimics science while being religiously intolerantâthus wreaking havoc in peopleâs lives in all kinds of ways.
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I believe thereâll come a day in the not-too-distant future when psychiatry disintegrates from its own unbridled confidenceâin no small part because MIA keeps spreading the word.
Thank you, MIA.
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Years ago, I adopted a puppy dog from the local pound. She looked and acted fine, but she shook violently on the way to her new home, although I held her close and spoke to her gently. And when she got there, it became apparent that sheâd been badly mistreated. She wouldnât let anyone affectionately pat her near her rear, as she was afraid people were going to hit her. And for two weeks she wouldnât go near her bowl of food until no one was looking, and then sheâd grab most of it in her mouth and hide it. And she didnât want to get in the car because she thought she was going to be taken away from a home that loved her. But with unreserved affection, she eventually learned to feel secure and trust people. But up until she left this world, there were times she did things that revealed she never forgot what sheâd been through. And people are no different.
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An article worth reading from the New York Times: âFor 175 Years: Treating the Mentally Ill With Dignityâ, by Debbie M. Price.
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Well said, Nijinsky.
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Breaking points arenât just physical, they emotional, psychological, and spiritual as well. And everything collapsing can open the way for reassessing and clarifying oneâs life. Some call it spiritual rebirth. âIllnessâ it is not.
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Adding psychiatric âmedicationsâ to unprocessed trauma is a recipe for disaster like no other. But no one need depend on so-called âmental health professionsâ for this either. But thatâs something few âtherapistsâ have the brains to realize or balls to mention to anyone, especially their so-called âclientsâ. Most hide behind a useless alphabet of dubious âqualificationsâ, while lacking the most important one of all: an ability to listen respectfully.
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Psychotherapy is just as barbaric, imo.
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Religions are ways for people to metaphorically express the beauty (and sometimes horror) of the human experience. Itâs what gives religion and experience of living their intrinsic value. Itâs the reason religions have existed since the beginning of time.
But psychiatry and psychology are different in all sorts damaging ways, as the purpose of both are perverse, imo. And the harder these try to be relevant (scientifically or religiously) the worse they fail, as coldly analyzing the human experience dignifies no one. They are monstrous examples of intellectual smugness born of hubris and self-absorbed grandiosity that mimics science while being religiously intolerant. And both need to dissolve, as neither are either religion OR science, but nevertheless wreak havoc in both ways.
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Psychiatry and psychology arenât science. Theyâre religious propaganda, period.
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Psychiatry and psychology habitually ignore the intrinsic value of the human heart, because doing so would weaken their foolishly incessant claim of being âscientificâ.
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Imo, the only thing the âmental health professionsâ offer is a polluted stream of ever-increasing âpsychopathologiesâ, ever-increasing toxic substances to âtreatâ them, or one of its ever-increasing âpsychotherapiesâ, all of which are based on a pay-to-play, power-imbalanced, artificial ârelationshipâ. And with Big Pharmaâs steadfast contributions, itâs become a medicalized Ponzi scheme of epic proportions.
And while most religions are guilty at some time in history of inflicting damage in the name of their respective gods, most were originally based in honoring the dignity of each and every human being. And this ultimately brings out the best in people.
But psychiatry and psychology do nothing of the sort. They are fields obsessed with defining, redefining, and ultimately sentencing people to lives of needless limitation and psychological pain in the name of âtherapyâ, most of which can be avoided if people simply avoid those who work in the system, as most who do are obsessed with finding whatâs wrong in the person, instead of whatâs wrong in their past or present surroundings. And theyâre neglecting to do so, via their ridiculously vast roster of supposed âdiagnoses and treatmentsâ brings out the worst in peopleâand most clearly in the âtherapistsâ themselves.
And we all know who benefits most from such hopelessly dogmatic thinking.âŠ
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Other mental health clinicians are just as limited as the psychiatric ones, as most operate from the same one-dimensional, sickness-obsessed perspective.
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Religious blasphemy has some new names: ânon-complianceâ and âtreatment resistanceâ.
The DSM is no more medical than the Bible. Itâs a book of psychiatric sins.
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Most religions donât pretend to be science, except for â of course â the religion of psychiatry/psychology.
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Religion offers hope. Psychiatry/psychology offer confusion.
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Psychiatry and psychology are definitely shibboleths. Itâs the only thing they can reasonably lay claim to. And deep down they know this, which is why they cling so tightly to their one-dimensional medical model with such religious fervor. And the insane part is they canât see how ridiculous this is. It shows their own incredible âlack of insightâ.
The main difference between psychology/psychiatry and religion is that where most religions offer some kind of redemption, psychiatry and psychology do not. All they offer is an endless stream of âpsychopathologyâ, which renders them incapable of seeing beyond peopleâs imperfections. And their âtreatmentsâ are an extension of their own pathology. Itâs all very nihilistic.
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Psychiatry and psychology are definitely shibboleths. Itâs the only thing they can reasonably lay claim to. And deep down they know this, which is why they cling so tightly to their one-dimensional medical model with an almost religious fervor. And the insane part is they canât see how ridiculous this is. Itâs an incredible lack of insight.
The main difference between psychiatry/psychology and religion is that most religions offer some kind of redemption, whereas psychiatry/psychology canât see beyond peopleâs imperfections. All they offer is a stream of endless psychopathology. Theyâre the definition of nihilism. And whereas most religions seek god, most psychiatrists and psychologists believe (unconsciously) they ARE god.
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Hi Boans,
Iâm sorry for what youâve been through. Mental health professionalsâ claims of confidentiality are false because patientsâ files are not. And the fact that few if any legislators recognize this as an abuse of confidentiality is unconscionable.
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Correction: Psychiatry and psychology reliably, categorically and conveniently deny real science anytime it contradicts their carefully crafted false narrative.
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Once upon a time, churches ruled large areas in the western world. These days itâs the mental health industrial complex.
Once upon a time, people who were castigated were called âsinnersâ. Today theyâre called âmentally illâ.
Once upon a time, the only means to absolution were to âconfess oneâs sinsâ to church officials. Nowadays people are compelled to confide in people they donât trust, claim diagnoses they donât agree with, and take psychiatric âmedicationsâ they donât want.
Whoever said âthe more things change, the more they stay the sameâ was spot on.
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Psychiatry and psychology reliability and categorically deny real science anytime it goes against their carefully crafted false narrative. But they pretend to be scientific because they know it makes them sound convincing.
Their peculiar habit of denying real science clearly indicates how indoctrinated most psychiatrists and psychologists actually are, especially when doctors of other specialties happen to believe the patients who tell them of problems theyâre having with psychiatric âmedicationsâ. But this doesnât happen very often.
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Most psychiatrists and psychologists harbor a religious belief in a medical model that not only distorts reality, but makes a mockery of the scientific method.
And while some define science as the act of interpreting an observation of the environment that is limited by the tools available for observing, most psychiatrists and psychologists fail to recognize the most important tool for observation and interpretation, and that is having an open mind. But thankfully most religions and art welcome imagination, while psychiatry and psychology definitely do not.
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Psychiatry and psychologyâs refusal to perceive the intrinsic value of the human heart is what makes them so harmful and dangerous.
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Psychiatry and psychologyâs inability to perceive value in the human experience is the reason they habitually disease-ify the human experience. Itâs how they fend off their own unconscious fears and desires.
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Religion and art are symbolic (metaphorical) ways that humans use to create and express the truth, reality and meaning in the human experience. Itâs what gives them intrinsic value and is why they exist. Their power comes from acknowledging the dignity of the human experience (spirit), and is the reason both have existed since time immemorial. But religion goes from good to bad when it becomes dictatorial and intolerant, two words that best describe most psychiatry and psychology. And these two fields, unlike religion and art, flourish by medicalizing, categorizing, and coldly analyzing the human experience which dignifies no one. They are monstrous examples intellectual smugness brought on by huge amounts of hubris and self-congratulatory self-absorption that not only mimics religious intolerance, but actually is religious intolerance.
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Thank you for sharing your heartbreaking story. Itâs a testament for why psychiatry needs to be deemed a criminal enterprise.
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You canât find meaning in things that are intrinsically meaningless.
And psychiatry and psychology are intrinsically meaningless as both insist on ignoring the intrinsically important role of the human heart.
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Psychiatry and psychology both claim to have discovered scientifically valid explanations for just about everything under the sun while failing to recognize that matters of the heart and mind are not matters to be approached âscientificallyâ.
And while psychiatry has proven itself to be scientifically invalid, psychology is equally vacant, as it also fails to offer much more than anyone with a modicum of common sense and insight would come up with on their own. Nor has either come to realize that observing and naming behavior is scientifically meaningless, whether or not itâs done âclinicallyâ, which makes both fields one huge cosmic joke.
And what is a cosmic joke? Believing the false projections of the limited mind.
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âBut they (psychiatrists and psychologists) manage to squeeze the meaning out of just about everything.â
CLARIFICATION: In my experience, psychiatry and psychology manage to obscure or destroy worthwhile meaning in and of just about everything.
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Come to think of it, psychiatry or psychology is more like using a chain saw in the dark, thatâs for sure.
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Using science to âtreatâ the soul is about useful as using a sledgehammer to trim oneâs hair.
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Rasx asks, âWouldnât image-making then be closer to the truth about existence, or at least as close to it in some way, as analytic reasoning?â
Interesting question. I think things get confusing when essentially mushy stuff like psychology and psychiatry claim to be science while acting like religion. They try to be all things to all people, but end up having no claim to anything worthwhile. But they do manage to squeeze the meaning out of just about everything.
Rasx then asks, âWouldnât poetry and literature and religion and metaphor generally be valid means of expressing truth then?â
Poetry, literature, religion and metaphor are not just valid ways of expressing truth and experience, theyâre essential to sharing truth and experience. And analytical reasoning is another valid way of finding and expressing truth and experience. But this is where psychiatry and psychology fall off a cliff, so to speak, as neither deal meaningfully with either truth or experience, and definitely not analytical reasoning.
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Image-making is the unique way humans find meaning. Poetry and literature and religion are all metaphors to find and express meaning. Which is essentially the meaning, purpose, or reason for art. Itâs something uniquely human.
Psychiatry and psychology are hopelessly materialistic, imo, as they stupidly think mouthing âscientificâ terms and engaging in âscientificâ research gives them credibility, which is stupider still, because thereâs nothing more meaningless than endless reams of âscientificâ data, most of which is meaningless either materially or spiritually. Itâs an expensive waste of time, a lose-lose situation thatâs all form and no substance. Itâs medicineâs junk food.
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Psychiatry and Psychology try to be religion AND science while failing at both.
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Psychiatry and psychology arenât medical practice. Theyâre propaganda, imo.
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There is no âmeaning makingâ in psychiatry and psychology. Thatâs the first illusion. Unless you consider propping up some professionalâs ego and bank account meaningful.
Psychiatrists and psychologists are the worst people to turn to for things like that, imo. And I bet they make âmeaning makingâ a âdisorderâ if they havenât already.
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Most psychiatrists and psychologists seek to reduce, control and define the indefinable because theyâre unconsciously terrified of lifeâs paradoxical vagueness and complexities. They childishly cling to science while stubbornly denying lifeâs ultimate uncertainty. But their stubborn belief in the reliability and appropriateness of a âscientificâ approach makes them a religion all their own as it seeks to perform the function of traditional religions, which is mainly to quell anxieties. But itâs a far more dangerous one, as their aping of scientific language and protocols give them an illusion of objective reality.
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And how does this economic practice think itâs helping the human citizen?
By thinking too much of themselves and not enough of others, while enjoying too much the spoils of their profession, which primarily involve exerting power over others while living large.
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Thank you, Mr. Wells. I like your comments, too.
I especially agree with your question regarding where the art and artistry has gone in the practice of learning how and why to be, and how to become, a better human. Itâs certainly not a question that science can answer, and itâs definitely not one it should even try answer. These questions are an anathema to the so-called âscience of psychiatryâ for obvious reasons, and also to its self-congratulatory cousin known as the âscience of psychologyâ for somewhat less obvious reasons, but the reasons for both are the same: big egos and even bigger hubris, as both are in areas they donât belong.
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And what are psychiatry and psychology trying to be? A religious science. And they will never be either.
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Much like religious leaders of the Middle Ages, most psychiatrists and psychologists take advantage of peopleâs lack of information about the dangers of psychiatric drugs and the manipulative nature of their power imbalanced âpsychotherapyâ â and for the same reason: use fear to collect money and maintain power. This was easy for religious leaders in the Middle Ages when most people didnât know how to read. Hopefully, the internet will continue informing more and more people about the dangers and abuses of the psychiatric/psychotherapeutic industry, and while providing viable alternatives to the sick medical model and power-inflated and money grubbing âpsychotherapyâ, much like the Gutenberg printing press did, once upon a time.
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Whatâs the definition of psychology?
The scientific study of the human mind and its functions.
Whatâs the definition of âpsycheâ?
The human soul, mind or spirit.
Psychology and psychiatry should stop using the word âpsycheâ. They need to stop trying to be what theyâre not.
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So true.
Visual noise: streets or freeways teaming with traffic, cluttered storefronts with loud signage or billboards. Not to mention digital, print, and tv advertisements. Itâs too much to process.
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Unprocessed feelings (traumas) are what causes most âmental illnessâ.
Todayâs mental health industrial complex (diagnoses, drugs, power imbalanced âpsychotherapyâ) maintain the status quo.
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Quiet and darkness are incredibly healing. And so is silence.
I find the constant din of city noise (cars, trucks, sirens, air traffic, etc.) and background music constantly played in stores (and sometimes even in parking lots), or anyoneâs blaring tv set anywhere to be much worse than distracting. It agitates the whole nervous system and makes calming down impossible, which adds to pressure and stresses people out, which causes so-called âbipolar maniasâ, imo.
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Psychiatry and psychology are malevolent fiction that have taken the place of traditional religion. They are secular religion, and are very destructive to people and cultures.
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They use propaganda and call it science.
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A lie is a lie is a lie.
People have a right to expect that medical professionals will not lie to them about the cause, known or unknown, of their problems, and the mechanisms, known or unknown, of the âmedicationsâ they prescribe. Doctors using âuseful fictionâ is a weak excuse for patronizing, controlling, and exploiting peopleâs faith in them as trustworthy medical experts.
Todayâs psychiatry/psychology mirror the power of religion in Europe before the Gutenberg printing press and its subsequent Reformation. Both exhort a set of beliefs said to be âinfallibleâ, i.e. âscientificâ, and todayâs non-believers are scorned, punished, stigmatized, tortured and damned much the same way as religious non-believers in medieval times. And pressuring people to believe in psychiatryâs or psychologyâs dogmas and rituals, i.e. DSM diagnoses, drugs, âtreatmentsâ/âpsychotherapyâ, is just as irrational. But whereas religion has some redeeming features, such as believing in the reality and sanctity of the human soul/spirit, and respecting others and helping those in need, psychiatry and psychology do not. They are science imposters and soul killers. They are religionsâ evil twin.
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A lie is a lie, and people have a right to expect that medical doctors will not lie to them, especially about the cause, known or unknown, of their problems, or about the medications they prescribe. Doctors using âuseful fictionâ is nothing more than a weak excuse to patronizing and control patients while exploiting their faith in them as trustworthy medical experts.
Psychiatry and psychology mirror the Christianity in the Middle Ages. Non-believers were scorned, punished, damned and tortured if you didnât believe in their god, their bible and its mandated rituals/âsacramentsâ. And the the invention todayâs internet is the electronic version of the gutenberg bible and subsequent Reformation.
Psychiatry and psychology are no different from the intolerance of medieval Christianity. Both exhort a set of unscientific beliefs professed to be true, and non-believers were scorned, punished, damned and tortured. And conforming psychiatryâs/psychologyâs beliefs in its diagnoses, drugs and âpsychotherapyâ is just as irrational.
Psychiatry/psychology are religionsâ evil twin. But unlike religion, psychiatry and psychology have no redeeming features.
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Whatâs the unconsciously aggressive motive behind most therapists?
Wanting power over others through a âpower imbalanceâ.
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Thank you, Rasx. I wish you the best.
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Youâre welcome KateL.
I donât think many therapists are aware of the obstacles people can face in the healthcare system. What I was trying to say is that the therapist who said that sounds like someone who didnât appreciate what you went through.
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Rasx,
I wish you well.
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KateL,
Youâve tried very hard in an impossible system where people fall through a cracks while running around in circles. And it sounds like the therapist who asked you, âDo you want to keep going in circles?â is part of the circle.
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I looked up the difference between personality and temperament. According to my resources, people are born with certain temperaments, whereas personality is influenced by experience. Itâs all very confusing to me.
But the overriding factor is definitely the type (or lack thereof) of emotional bond/attachment between a baby and its parents/caregivers.
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The DSM is a totally subjective piece of socially biased
BULLSHIT â
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Alex said, âThe last one was the one that convinced me that something was wrong with me, whereas now, I can see that she was judging me, purely.â
Psychiatric diagnosing is a judgmental act, pure and not so simple.
Define judgmental: critical, fault finding, censorious, condemnatory, disapproving, disparaging, deprecating,
I would add insulting, infantilizing, self serving, egotistical, narrow minded, and most of all, passive-aggressive.
Define passive-aggressive: behavior that is seemingly innocuous, accidental or neutral, but that indirectly displays an unconscious aggressive motive.
And whatâs the aggressive motive behind most therapists?
Holding power over others â
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Scientists who choose not to believe what the data is telling them have Selective Psychosis: âSEâ.
Scientists who cover up what they see are Lying Cheats: âLCâ
I think most psychiatrists and psychologists are cult members AND marketing agents.
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KateL,
Any âfailureâ isnât yours. Youâre tried very hard in impossible system where people fall through the cracks while running around in circles. And I think the therapist who said that is part of the circle.
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Correction: âBut ultimately, all this comes down to, as you say, nature via nurture.â
I believe everything is affected by, as you say, ânature via nurtureâ.
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Some of my replies to Rasx are out of order. If itâs my fault, I apologize.
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Thatâs true. But somethingâs definitely wrong with people who refuse to see whatâs in front of them. At least I think so.
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I donât think losing touch with your surroundings means anything other than losing touch with your surroundings. But I do think artistic or creative people are more sensitive to their surroundings, which doesnât mean anything other than artistic and creative people are more sensitive to their surroundings. And I donât mean to imply that artistic, creative, or sensitive people are more likely to experience âmental illnessâ later in life.
Labeling people with psychiatric disorders mostly helps the people doing the labeling, which means some people are hung up on controlling the people in their surroundings.
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And the DSM is, as you say, socially constructed:
âAll you have is do is put some words together to construct your diagnostic criterion for something you observe, put in in print and all of a sudden it is reifiedâŠâ
Which means the DSM a totally subjective piece of socially biased junk. And your example of drapetomania shows exactly how, which means anyone tagged with a psychiatric diagnosis is suffering from âdrapetomaniaâ, to one extent or another.
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Rasx,
I agree completely. Thereâs nothing more sensitive to the environment than an infant, both in the womb and after.
I agree with Jerome Kagan in concluding that âdifferent temperaments will express their attachment styles differentlyâ, and with your statement that âhigh reactivity or sensitivity is a complex developmental outcomeâ, and that âattachment style is nonetheless determined by parental behaviorâ. And I also agree that sensitivity isnât a risk factor for âmental illnessâ later in life.
But I still think people are born with their own unique personality, and also with their own abilities: artistic, athletic, intellectual etc. But ultimately, all this come down to, as you say, nature via nurture.
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Temperaments are inherited. And sensitivity is temperament. But looking for âmental illnessâ genes is looking for needles in a haystack.
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Getting immersed in scientific data is just another way of channeling unconscious existential fears/angst.
And psychiatryâs fruitless search for genetic evidence is its latest attempt to deny the existence of psychiatryâs nonexistence.
And some people take comfort in the complicated, as itâs very distracting. No wisdom there.
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âdystopian Don Quixotesâ â thatâs the truth! They canât see how they make things worse.
And anyone who disagrees with them is given a âdiagnosisâ, even people they donât even know!
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Itâs also an example of Dissociative Distraction: âDPâ
Hereâs four new diagnoses for the DSM:
Cognitive Pathology: âCPâ
Dissociative Distraction: âDDâ
Dissociative Projection: âDPâ
Scientific Escapism: âSEâ
And who qualifies? People who take themselves too seriously.
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But it makes them feel important, i.e. âbig egoâ. And people like this are usually in need of a serious spiritual laxative.
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Kids who are different get picked on in school, and this can drive them over the edge, âCNVâsâ or otherwise.
Who needs study to see that? Some people have way too much time on their hands.
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GPM says, âThe DSM needs to be trashed too. The completely failed âoperationalizationâ or biologizationâ or âgeneticizationâ of a diagnostic criteria pushed by Insel and others is itself a kind of cognitive pathology that ought to be the only entry in the DSM.â
Yes. People who believe in the DSM are the ones with a problem.
âThe idea that suffering, worried, scared, conflicted and traumatized people have a genetic brain disease is barbaric and Medieval and even nutty.â
Yes. Itâs barbaric and nutty.
I took a look at the paper, and was not surprised. My gut has always told me that stuff like this, i.e. foolish scientific extravaganzas, i.e. âmolecular psychiatryâ are products of a particular type of dissociated mind, its key feature being the uncontrollable urge to concoct excruciatingly complicated scientific explanations for easily explained phenomena. These types of seemingly rational activities are actually a function of the unconscious mindâs efforts to shield the conscious mind from painful emotional realities. Itâs a classic form of dissociative distraction, with no connection to the real world. Simply put, itâs scientific escapism.
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DSM labeling is a passive-aggressive act disguised in medical language. Itâs the professionalsâ way of lashing out/acting out.
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âthe illusion of psychotherapyâŠâ
Yes. Itâs a contrived, pseudo-relationship.
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beokay quotes, âOne colleagueâŠdescribed DSM diagnosis and treatment as âhate language.â
Hate language. Thatâs what DSM diagnoses really are: codified hate language.
âFor this is the language one would use to describe people they not only did not believe but also disliked.â
Yes. Most âtherapistsâ are professional hypocrites.
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dogworld says, âPsychiatry does not allow recovery only perpetual victimizationâŠ.â
Over and over and over againâŠ.their narrative never changes.
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The most helpful people were not professionals, in my experience.
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Life isnât about seeing a âtherapistâ, or seeing âclientsâ. And itâs not about taking psych pills or being electrocuted, either. Itâs about sharing love and wisdom.
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I remember reading the story of a woman who gave birth to a baby with Downs Syndrome. The doctors told her and her husband to institutionalize her. They refused and said, âSheâs ours and we love her, just as she is.â
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dogworld says, âMIA may become as narrow and as strict as psychiatry itself.â
It will if MIAâs not careful. And I bet the psychiatric industry is eyeing it nowâŠ
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Life can be harder for sensitive people, especially for those who donât fit in. And people get ostracized/labeled for not fitting in.
I use to wonder what happened to the kids who labeled/teased/bullied others. I think a lot grew up to be psychologists or psychiatrists, because I knew some who did!
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Thereâs a reason why people describe their experience with so-called âmental illnessâ as âspiritualâ. Because it is. Itâs the self reconnecting to the soul, or âspiritâ.
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People have been known to âgo insaneâ i e. âpsychoticâ when placed in intolerable circumstances, for instance, POWâs subjected to torture. But just too much stress in good situations can cause temporary breaks with reality. And too much stress makes it harder for the conscious mind to suppress painful (but unprocessed) thoughts, feelings, experiences, in other words, âtraumaâ.
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Because their actions are the same, they just give a different name, i.e. âresearchâ.
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Correction: âPsychiatry is also about policing the thinking and the being part of humanity.â
There should be a law against THAT â
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âThe rest was all giving a shit about the others personâs life.â
And no one needs a degree for that.
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I think most psychologists and psychiatrists unconsciously identify AS the aggressor. Because thatâs what they really are, and unconsciously want to be, imoâŠ.
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â⊠psychiatry is also about the policing and the being part of humanity.â
Today I heard that someone in Britain was arrested for silently praying in public. (The person was near an abortion clinic). The police simply asked and the person said yes.
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Good question.
The âexpert-userâ dynamic is what I object to the most. And thereâs no need for it â except for blowing up someoneâs ego.
It amazes me how often so many psychologists and psychiatrists are the least helpful. Their humanity gets replaced with hubris, imo, so I think your request for a âcollaboration among equalsâ is too big an ask for most. And I wouldnât pay for it anyway.
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I think being sensitive is both a gift and a curse. But strong feelings can be too intense for the conscious mind to process, especially when something traumatic is involved. Minds break from reality for a reason, and psychosis protects the conscious mind, and art is an expression of the mindâs unconscious.
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Clinical psychologist: âGee, maybe we should learn to beâŠ.what was that thing called again?âŠoh yeah, humanâŠ.now I wonder what that means?âŠ.Guess weâll have a do more research!â
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Psychologists should stop fooling themselves existentially by realizing that psychology isnât a science. Maybe then theyâd be ready to âhelpâ people. But Iâm not holding my breath.
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How in the hell does someone seeking âtherapyâ get rejected from âtherapyâ? I donât call that âtherapyâ.
KateL, YOUâRE the one who should be a therapist, instead of the goons, kooks and quacks out there that you had to deal with.
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Rasx says, ââŠ.because the REASON they responded that way was because they were traumatized IN THE PAST.â
Very true.
And these traumas arenât forgotten; theyâre stored in the unconscious BECAUSE theyâre overwhelming, which the reason for an unconscious.
And memories, both good and bad, are triggered in unexpected ways. And thereâs nothing âinherently wrongâ with THAT â
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Why donât these âesteemed scholarsâ look for the genes responsible for the âpernicious social factorsâ, i.e. bullying, cruelty, brutality, savagery, barbarism, inhumanity?
But they donât need to âresearchâ anything. All they need to do is look in the mirrorâŠ.
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Steve says:
âThe other thing about genetics is often overlooked – a particular set of genes may allow vulnerability to certain conditions, but might make other conditions possible. A hugely disproportionate number of our poets, writers, playwrights, graphic artists, etc., have had psychotic experiences. Perhaps a certain set of genes opens us to alternative experiences of life and enables artists to flourish? And snuffing out those genetic variations snuffs out a lot of creativity and motivation to change and grow in society?â
YES!!! Artistic/creative/intuitive/sensitive people seem born with an ability to experience the world uniquely. And maybe not having a chance to safely express this in ways that come naturally to them causes them to blow a fuse. But I think everyone is creative, so the same goes for anyone whose need to express themselves is thwarted.
And of course genes are the reason. But whateverâs involved, leave it alone; thereâs a reason for spontaneity, itâs called evolution, which is the beauty and mystery of it all.
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Steve says, âThe other thing about genetics that is often overlooked – a particular set of genes may allow vulnerability to certain conditions, but might also make other conditions possible. A hugely disproportionate number of our poets, writers, playwrights, graphic artists, etc. have had psychotic experiences. Perhaps a certain set of genes opens us to alternative experiences of life and enables us to flourish? And snuffing out those genetic variations snuffs out a lot of creativity and motivation to change and grow in society?â
Yes!!! Artistic/creative people seem born with a unusual ability to see the world in unique ways. And maybe not having a chance to safely express themselves in ways that come naturally to them causes them to blow a fuse. But I think everyone is creative, so the same goes for anyone whoâs need to express themselves is thwarted.
And of course genes are the reason for it. But whateverâs involved, leave it nature alone; thereâs a reason for spontaneity. Itâs called evolution, which is the beauty and mystery of it all.
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Thank you, Bradford.
Itâs shocking what people can do to others out of ignorance, fear, and convenience. But Iâm glad knowing youâre now both psych-free and drug free, and with NO âhelpâ from the âmental healthâ industry. BRAVO BRADFORD!!!
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Rasx says, ââŠ95% of people in inpatient psychiatric wards have disorganized attachmentâŠâ
Tell that to the psychiatrists.
âSecure attachment is probably THE number one protective feature against everything we label âmental illnessâ; and developmental psychopathology as a field uses the paradigm of insecure attachment as the bedrock for explaining later pathology.â
Tell that to the psychiatrists.
âAlmost ALL of the ACES relate to the parent child
dynamic.â
Tell that to the psychiatrists.
âSo if our goal as a society is to keep parents free from feelings of guilt, shame and the responsibility to change, then yeah letâs go for biopsychiatry and genetic reductionism. But letâs not pretend that this is a move meant to âhelpâ the patient or tell the truth about the evidence.â
On second thought, donât bother telling the psychiatric industry – – too many of them have got âMMDâ: Myopic Mind Disorder
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This type of âresearchâ is disgusting. Itâs another example of neuro-eugenics.
Why arenât these resources being used to improve the lives of young people through sports and social activities?
Stop experimenting on the marginalized for your own benefit.
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How can the âtherapeutic relationshipâ be just as toxic (and even more so) than any other? Because in âtherapyâ, one actually IS the âidentified patientâ/symptom bearer, which is not a good feeling at all, and accumulates its own set of âtherapeuticâ baggage, courtesy your âtherapistâ.
So travel light and plan your own itinerary, via self therapy. Itâs the safest way to travel!
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This summarizes the process of healing from destructive family dynamics. The only thing I take issue with is saying someone âneeds to work with a clinician.â This is NOT true. People can do it themselves as thereâs dozens of books on healing from trauma that can do just as good a job if not better, as the âpsychotherapeuticâ relationship can be just as infantilizing, if not more so.
Two YouTube videos to jumpstart the self therapy process: âBreaking From Your Parents – – An Overviewâ, and âIs My Therapist Good Or Not? 12 Questions From A Former Therapistâ, both from Daniel Mackler
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Whatâs todayâs buzzword for everything under the sun and beyond?
NEURO.
âNeuroâ this and âneuroâ that. Itâs enough to make someone neurotic.
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Only idiots need âneuroimaging dataâ to figure out that living in poverty stresses people out. Genius.
And the people who do should forfeit their salaries and give it to the poor.
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Any âpoor reflective functioningâ is on the part of the âtherapistâ, Kate.
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Yeah, a lot of therapists have problems with people who actually think. And it drives them âcrazyâ.
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Rasx says, âHe literally drugged an entire generation of children in order to play out his denial about his own disfunctional family and his role in his childâs distress on a grand scale.â
And psychiatryâs still doing it, BIG TIME.
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Rasx,
You describe a psychiatrized house of horrors. I think a lot of them probably were, and probably still are. Mine sure was.
Psychiatry as a profession appeals to people who are already dissociated and are unconsciously looking for ways to dissociate more and get paid at the same time. And psychiatry more than fills the bill. It devised an airtight âbiological constructâ to hide from emotional reality even though theyâve no scientific proof to back it up. And dealing drugs has become its main gig. It even has a language of its own called âgobbledygookâ. Itâs a really weird combination of sleazy and pretentious.
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KateL,
Thatâs the idiocy of it all. Itâs left you a horrible legacy and is in the process of leaving many more. The mental health system is a sick culture through and through because it reflects the culture we live in.
I hope things improve for you and your son, KateL.
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What Freud did to protect himself caused decades of damage to many, many people, most of whom were women.
And a tragic example is that of author Virginia Wolf. She was sexually abused by family members and then told by psychiatrists that her memories were delusional.
So, yeah, Freud was one helluva guy!
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Bradford says, âItâs (Psychiatry) is 21st century Phrenology with potent neurotoxins.â
And thatâs all it is.
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And if there are significant âneurologicalâ differences in political views, what are they going to do with it? Lobotomize people who disagree with them? But of course, they wouldnât call it lobotomy; theyâd ask DSM editors for less damning terms.
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Dear KateL,
What an horrible, horrible experience. And Iâm outraged it happened to you.
Kate, what you experienced is exactly why psychiatric wards/hospitals are terrible places for anyone. And it doesnât take a PhD in psychology to understand that the kinds of people attracted to these kinds of jobs (psych nurse/jail warden) arenât always the right ones for the job. And THATâS putting it VERY lightly. And I doubt itâs in the minority, but even if it is, itâs a situation set up for abuse.
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If the medical community had any real integrity, it wouldnât allow psychiatry to use the word âdiagnosisâ OR
disorderâ â
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I wouldnât have lost so many years of my adult life if I hadnât been prescribed psychiatric drugs, as the âside effectsâ were profoundly life-altering, and some were permanently disabling. I think psychiatric âmedicationsâ should only be used sparingly and for only brief periods, if at all, in most situations.
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And whatâs the definition for âdiddlyâ?
SMALL WORTHLESS AMOUNT
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âBorderline Asshole Disorderâ: BAD
âChronic Asshole Disorderâ: CAD
Thank you, Steve. THESE TWO ARE THE BEST!!!
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Or how about âBarbaric Personality Disorder?â Itâs âBPDâ too!
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âIâve heard that talk therapy can be too dysregulating for people whoâve experienced long-standing trauma, especially in childhood, which usually means having had at least one narcissistic parent.â
CORRECTION: Iâve heard that talk therapy can be too dysregulting for people whoâve experienced long-standing trauma, especially in childhood, which usually means having had at least one abusive parent.
I replaced the word ânarcissisticâ with âabusiveâ because ânarcissisticâ has become too stigmatizing. I apologize to anyone who was offended by my oversight.
If anyone has better word, please let me know.
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The most dangerous thing about psychiatric language, (the DSM) is itâs their word (the âtherapistâsâ) against yours, courtesy their self-serving âpower imbalanceâ.
And unless youâre willing to roll over and play dead (i.e. âbe compliantâ, i.e. âbe agreeableâ), you often end up paying a heavy price, in more ways than one:
1. More âdiagnosesâ
2. More âmedicationsâ
3. More âpsychotherapyâ
4. More iatrogenic illness
5. More threats of confinement
And most tragic of all:
More more self doubt, more self blame, and finally, more self hate.
And no one in their right mind would call this âtherapeuticâ. Except, of course, most psychiatrists/âtherapistsâ.
No surprise there.
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Thank you, Tammy.
Youtube was also where I learned the truth about psychiatry. And Dr. Bregginâs videos are among the best. I can still find them on YouTube, though.
And itâs also how I learned of Alice Millerâs books, which were equally transforming.
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âthe barbarism of the mental health industryâ.
THATâS it in a nutshell.
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Some think psychiatric drugs create zombies.
I think zombies create them, monsters prescribe them, and buffoons study them.
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Psychiatry is the language of suffering.
Pal Espen Olsen writes, âYet, in our little corner of the world, we have now locked ourselves into a specific language to categorize, understand and remedy mental illness.â
âA language that invites us to take the suffering out of the context in which it exists, that sickens understandable responses to difficult experiences and harmful life conditions that are obviously connected to larger, society-related conditions.â
âWe throw around bad labels and medicate widely without it seeming to reduce the amount and degree of suffering.â
âI am tempted to think that we have created a monster. A monster that oversimplifies and sickens and produces for its own survival without creating significant change and improvement for anyone but itself. A monster with the power to define and prioritize, which leaves many in shame and powerlessness.â
Psychiatry created a language of suffering thatâs now become a world of suffering. Its DSM decontextualizes, mischaracterizes, dehumanizes and devalues the human experience. But most people donât realize this, (including most psych professionals). The medicalized language fools them into thinking itâs true when itâs not. And so the charade continues.
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So do l! He is a wonderful human being.
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I didnât mean to distract from acknowledging the ugly realities of psychiatry in any way, Bradford.
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Youâre welcome, Bradford!
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Bradford,
Good suggestions.
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Hereâs a new âillnessâ for the DSM: Psychiatric Amnesia.
Itâs endemic to most psychiatrists.
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Schnell says, âIn time using meds to treat psychiatric disorders will become razorsharpâŠwe are on the cusp of incredible breakthroughsâŠâ
What? Again? Somehow, I get the sense Iâve heard this beforeâŠ.oh yes! Now I recallâŠ.it was back in the late eighties when Prozac made the headlinesâŠ.and then the nineties roll in, bringing the ânewerâ antipsychotics, that turn out to be, well, not so new at allâŠ.and then around 2000, someone named âInselâ starts blowing his horn about âgeneticsââ and guess what happens? Nothing! Not unless you consider a shitload more âdiagnosesâ and heap more iatrogenic illness ânothingââŠ.and now things are so desperate (for psychiatry!) that theyâre turning to (of all things), psychedelics. Which reminds me of the saying, âall thatâs old is new againââŠ
And the psychiatric merry-go-round keeps going roundâŠ.and roundâŠ.and roundâŠ.
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The image chosen for this article is a visual stereotype. Very sexist. Very stupid. Very bad. IMO.
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âPsychiatric geneticistsâ?
OMGâŠwhat do these people do all day? Besides wondering how many angels dance on the head of a pinâŠ
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Berta says:
âLanguage whittles away at the diverse ways of being alive. It perpetuates the most violent in culturesâŠWe donât need to continue reifying a violence that begins with a presupposition that some lives matter, and others are disposable.â
Very true. Someone should send this to the APA.
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Schnell says, âIn time using meds to treat psychiatric disorders will become razorsharpâŠwe are on the cusp of incredible breakthroughsâŠâ
Dream on.
Psychiatry already scalps people with diagnostic language and dangerous drugs, and no amount of âbreakthroughsâ will change that.
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Psychiatry is the language of gaslighting. And the DSM is itâs dictionary.
But hereâs two diagnoses that actually ARE real:
BLD: Borderline Labeling Disorder
BPD: Borderline Prescribing Disorder
And most psychiatrists have both, i.e. âcomorbidity â.
Comorbidity? Why not say comor-diddly? Thatâd be real.
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Anyone need a good laugh?
Read âPsychiatric Timesâ. Itâs a barrel of laughter!
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Trauma is the reason people end up in a psychiatric ward, NOT some invented âpsychiatric diagnosisâ.
But no one should be forced to talk about it.
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ANY medical professional can write ANY âpsychiatric diagnosisâ in ANYONEâS medical chart.
HOW âCRAZYâ IS THAT???
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I hope Dr. Shields goes farther than questionnaires
I hope Dr. Shields fires the fools who question the humanity of others
I hope Dr. Shields is listening
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CORRECTION:
Mainstream psychiatry is a biased system of ego, lies, conjecture and greed:
EGO: most psychiatrists have generally inflated opinions of themselves and psychiatry
BIAS: most psychiatrists favor their own ideas over their âpatientsââ ideas
LIES: most psychiatrists promote psychiatryâs garbage âdiagnosesâ and harmful âmedicationsâ
CONJECTURE: most psychiatrists believe that âpsychiatric disordersâ are chronic
GREED: most psychiatrists are motivated by money
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And Happy 10th Birthday To All At MIA!!!
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The angels arenât dancing, but the devil sure is â
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They oughta âstudyâ the âneural makeupâ of the fools who think up these damn fool âstudiesâ.
Goddamn fools, one and all.
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Because if it does, it means Iâm brainless!
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Hereâs how I see âpsychiatric reformâ:
Psychiatry owning the fact that psychiatric drugs are numbing agents, NOT âmedicationsâ –
Psychiatry owning the fact that these numbing agents DO NOT correct a âchemical imbalanceâ –
Psychiatry owning the fact that these numbing agents cause serious iatrogenic harm –
Psychiatry owning the fact that these numbing agents are drastically overprescribed –
Psychiatry ACTIVELY disowning the entire DSM –
But alas, itâs only in my dreamsâŠ.
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And NO psychiatrist EVER said to me, âMedication may not be what you need.â
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Thank you, KateL. I keep wishing you the best, every single day.
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I forgot to mention a fantastic video that backs up what I heard about how talk therapy may not always be helpful.
Itâs from âThe Crappy Childhood Fairyâ video series by Anna Runkle, and the videoâs title is âTalk Less About Traumaâ.
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Or maybe even something for their compulsive prescribing, too, calling it âBorderline Prescriptive Disorderâ, or BPD!!!
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I agree 100%. Alice Millerâs insights are absolutely indispensable. And I firmly believe that the world would be a much better place if everyone read her books.
Iâm so sorry you ever felt the need for therapy. But I hope Iâm not out of line for saying this: consider yourself lucky if you had limited access to it, because you probably avoided a lot more trauma.
Therapy just gave me more trauma. And all itâs really about is learning to be your own best friend, or parent, so to speak. And reading Alice Miller helped me learn to do this in a way therapy never did.
Iâve heard that talk therapy can be too dysregulating for people whoâve experienced long-standing trauma, especially in childhood, which usually means having had at least one narcissistic parent. It certainly was too dysregulating for me, but what bothered me most is the dynamics of it: power imbalance, labeling, to say nothing of having to pay these people. But the power imbalance was by far the worst (for me), as I found it both insulting and infantilizing.
(This may sound silly, but I think Alice Miller deserves to have a holiday named after her!)
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Psychiatry should dream up a label for their own compulsive labeling and name it âBorderline Labeling Disorderâ, or âBLDâ â
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KateL is right. Psychiatry is an EOD: Equal Opportunity Destroyer.
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No psychiatrist ever said to me, âTherapy may not be what you needâ
No psychologist ever said to me, âTherapy may not be what you needâ
No MFCC ever said to me, âTherapy may not be what you needâ
No MSW ever said to me, âTherapy may not be what you needâ
I wonder whyâŠ..
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ATTENTION ALL GENETICISTS:
GPM says, âNot a single angel dances on the head of this pin (genes).â
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Dear KateL,
I like reading your comments. Please keep submitting them.
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Someone should use the word âpsychiatryâ in the following sentence and sue the APA:
âWe are concerned that PSYCHIATRY is being marketed with limited empirical data behind it and virtually no scientific or ethical discussion.â
But not use following statement: âWithout more research, it is unlikely that medical providers and the general public will have sufficient understanding to evaluate the pros and cons of this technology.â
Medical providers may not have âsufficient understanding to evaluate the pros and cons of this technologyâ, but the public sure has, because extensive and decades-long research has already shown NO CONCLUSIVE DATA. And nothing can change the ethical implications of such data.
Psychiatry needs to be dissolved, along with all branches of DSM-dependent, dissociative science, be they medical or behavioral, i.e. âpsych-ologyââ
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All you need to say is that youâve had different experiences.
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Is âflatulent babbling aboutâ the same as âfarting aroundâ?
Iâd really like to know!
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Dear Rasx,
Thank you for your outstanding comments on this subject. Copies should be sent to university psychology departments worldwide, especially the one on 12/18/22 at 12:06 am; it says everything that needs to be said from every point of view.
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GPM says:
âThe activity of genes (DNA) just like the activity of proteins and every other countless inanimate molecule in the living thing, is âcontrolledâ by the living state, not the other way around.â
âThis absurdity is the twin of another absurdity, the EEA. Together, they form the porous foundation of the most colossal scientific folly in history.â
Yes. Knowledge is not intelligence.
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Nature via nurture. YES!!!
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Rasx says:
âDevelopment, which is what is proper to us humans, is nature via nurture all the way down, which means there is no possibility of the environment not being involvedâŠâ
âThere is not a single gene that spontaneously manifests without an environmental stimulus and contextâŠ.â
âEpigenetics should put the nature nurture debate to bed as an oversimplified, overly reduced way of thinkingâŠâ
âBut psychiatry loves nothing better than to be overly simplified, reduced, and rigidly mechanistic with no concept of organic development.â
Psychiatry isnât a medical association; itâs a medical dissociation.
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Does being apolitical mean you have no brain?
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Just when I thought things couldnât get any stupider, some âneuroâ- obsessed scientist comes up with the âneurology of politicsâ.
Someone needs to question the stupidity of neurology. All I can do is shake my head.
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âflatulent babbling aboutâ
When I read this, I envisioned the DSM.
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And itâs why things like Open Dialogue in Finland are so important and need to be replicated.
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Yes. Itâs revisiting The Holocaust.
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Itâs time for the neuro-brats to put away their neuro-toys and learn to live in the real world.
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Whatâs the point of finding out whether or not someoneâs âneural makeupâ influences their political views? Itâs a stupid thing to even wonder about.
Donât these people have anything better to do?
Adventures in âneuro-politicalâ tinkering are not only incredibly stupid, but unethical and potentially dangerous. People should pack up their science gear, go home, and leave the brain alone, because itâs not hard to imagine the real motivations lurking behind someoneâs âneuro-politicalâ escapades, as one thing comes to mind:
WORLD DOMINATION
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Micah writes, âOne might wonder about the neural makeup of those advocating spreading U.S. foreign policy and its associated âdemocratizationâ to the far corners of the world, which is, of course, not addressed.â
One might. But why not wonder this: Whatâs the neural makeup of those advocating âneuro-politicsâ? But even thatâs a stupid question, because any meaningful answers found would be ethically useless. So the real question is this: What are the motives behind such research? And what are the plans for such research and why? But my gut tells me that people drawn to things of a âneuro-politicalâ nature arenât likely to come up with any truly reflective answers.
And while thereâs no denying that recent technological advances have produced enormous benefits to humanity, two things of enormous spiritual value are getting lost in the process: wisdom and restraint.
Articles like this are a painful reminder that many (and maybe even most!) so-called âeducatedâ people have become, well, too âeducatedâ. In other words, they have become walking-talking encyclopedias of full of useless information and on the fast track to nowhere. Meaning many of those claiming to be scientists may not be, in reality, truly keen observers, meaning many are going in the wrong direction with grandiose plans to drag the world with them.
And god only knows where the world will end up.
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Itâs time for the neuro-brats to put their neuro-toys away and live in the real world.
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Same.
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Obviously.
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Very funny.
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âNeuro-politicalâ? WTF. Is there nothing sacred to these people?
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Thank you for this absorbing article. It clearly articulates some very important points, such as the following:
âFinally, the authors note that ethicality speaking, neuropolitics research often âcontains claims about what is right and wrong; how things should beâŠâ They argue that this has been evident throughout the papers they examined, which take particular political agendas and norms as inherently good and desirable without ethical questioning.â
What does this article say about ethics? That studying ethics doesnât mean youâve got any.
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Whatâs the new, politically correct word for âeugenicsâ?
Neuropolitics.
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Bradford says, âIt is no mark of sanity, to be well-adjusted to a profoundly sick societyâ ~
LOVE this quote.
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Why does psychiatry keep searching for the ever-elusive âbiologicalâ pot of gold?
Because they canât see itâs a foolâs gold.
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And I found Kimberleyâs article to be also extremely coherent â
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KateL,
It was a pleasure reading your extremely coherent synopsis of Kimberleyâs article. I also found its main points to be well-researched, clearly written, very well-stated and irrefutable.
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To Hayden Hall,
Peopleâs âset of âfactsââ are gained from their own lived experience, which is indeed part of a âshareable realityâ. And itâs a reality shared here on MIA with painful regularity.
And your presuming that people think others âshould accept those supposed âfactsâ on their say soâ is extremely presumptuous, imo.
Some concluding assertions: No one is obligated to write comments that others âwould agree withâ. And there is nothing âgentleâ about deliberately misquoting or questioning the credibility of someoneâs lived experience. But it is extremely insulting, imo.
And hereâs a bit of unasked for, but âgentleâ, advice: Itâs usually a good idea to follow oneâs own advice, and to remember the following quote: âThe opinions expressed are the writersâ own.â
P.S. All realities are shareable, but not all realities are relatable. And this is not an opinion. This is a fact.
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Steve says, âThe way psychiatry approaches genes borders on eugenics.â
Imo, psychiatry IS eugenics. And history supports my opinion, or âsupposed set of âfactsââ.
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Youâre welcome, Tammy. I donât see it happening in the near future either, but I do believe itâll happen sooner than expected (if that makes sense), thanks to the internet.
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l_e_cox says, âMost of the âeducatedâ world now laughs at the idea that psychiatry might NOT have the highest level of expertise in the field of âmental healthâ. And so research and state policies continue to bend in their favor.â
I agree with l_e_cox.
l_e_cox further states, âFor me, it has come down to the need for an entire reorientation at a grassroots levelâŠIt starts with those who already realize something is wrong.â
I couldnât agree MORE –
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And defending oneself is not âmaking enemiesâ. It is defending oneself. PERIOD.
And people with emotional/mental/psychological distress are some of the strongest Iâve ever known.
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And I for one am âtriggeredâ by people who are easily âtriggeredâ.
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Steve says, âThere is nothing wrong with taking psychiatric drugsâŠ.and we should not criticize them for making their decisions their own best data. We SHOULD criticize the psychiatric industry for being dishonest with their patientsâŠâ
My feelings exactly. And I think itâs despicable that psychiatry has operated on claims that are not factual:
1. Psychiatric disorders are biological (when they clearly are not)
2. Psychiatric drugs correct a chemical imbalance (when thereâs no evidence proving these do)
3. People need psychiatric drugs âthe rest of their livesâ (when they have no way of predicting the future)
4. That âpsychotherapyâ is better than talking with someone who is not a âprofessionalâ, (which is something they have no way of knowing)
And since all these claims have proven to be either false or based merely on subjective opinion, it seems reasonable to conclude that the mental health industry is based on fraudulent and misleading claims and assumptions.
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Sam says, âALL of healthcare is infiltrated with psychiatry.â
I agree, but I think it goes further than that. All of society has become infiltrated with psychiatry.
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I would have appreciated a âtrigger warningâ before this: âFragile people do not need adversaries.â
I found this sentence to be extremely âotheringâ.
I would have appreciated a âtrigger warningâ before this: âIt is much better for usâŠ.to seek out and find âthe helpersâ.
I found this sentence to be extremely patronizing.
A concluding assertion, from me personally: People in general donât like being lectured to, nor do people in general appreciate unasked for advice, especially from those who donât follow their own.
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Some people say psych wards are worse than prisons. Thatâs not hard to believe.
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Hayden Hall,
The army and CIA werenât the first to use psychiatry as a tool to control people. Psychiatry is routinely used by oppressive governments to silence and imprison dissidents.
Read what happened in Nazi Germany: âPsychiatry During the Nazi Era: ethical questions for the modern professionalâ from the Annals of General Psychiatry.
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Emotional safety is a basic human need. Itâs instinctively sought from the moment of birth and remains a driving force throughout life. But not experiencing emotionally safety is the reason for most âmental illnessâ.
And psych wards are not emotionally safe places.
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Asserting that psychiatric diagnoses and treatments are harmful is not asserting a rigid viewpoint. It is asserting a reality. And the fact that people have different viewpoints and different ways of expressing their viewpoints is also a reality.
But expecting or demanding that otherâs viewpoints be expressed in ways one always finds acceptable is not only unrealistic, it is inflexible, and is the reason I also was misdiagnosed, mistreated and mis-medicated by mental healthcare providers in the first place.
I for one am flexible enough to listen and learn from those whose viewpoints differ from mine, whether in tone or content. However, I make no apologies for strongly disagreeing or expressing strong viewpoints, or reserving the right to defend myself when my credibility is questioned or am being misquoted when expressing my viewpoints.
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Jay Joseph quotes the editors of âScienceâ: âSchizophrenia, depression and bipolar disorder often run in families.â
The editors made an amazing observation. But guess what else runs in families? Intergenerational trauma.
Jay Joseph also says, âFrom the perspective of those who see political, economic, social and oppressive aspects of society as causing widespread psychological harm, what society calls the âsocietal burden of mental disordersâ, is really the mental burden of societal disordersâŠâ
Absolutely.
âBecause family, social, cultural, religious, educational, geographical and political environments play a powerful role in shaping human behavior, attention should be focused away from peopleâs brains and genes, and toward aspects of the environment that on one hand protect, nurture, and empower people, and on the other hand can psychologically harm people.â
This is where the focus needs to be.
Who knew science would one day become a great tool for denying reality? Itâs become its own form of psychosis.
Define psychosis: a severe mental disorder in which thought and emotions are so impaired that contact is lost with external reality –
This explains a lot.
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A video worth watching: âSchizophrenia Recovery Without MedicationâHearing Voicesâ on YouTube courtesy Daniel Mackler
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Many thanks to all at MIA.
Check out this video about foster kids caught in psychiatryâs diagnostic and label-fixated web:
20/20: âGeneration Meds (Foster Children Being Over Medicated)â
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Psychiatry has effectively divested itself of questions regarding human psychology. And its scientific boundaries are that of a psychological and spiritual prison. Itâs made living life a medicalized gulag for too many people.
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There was a time not so long ago when a personâs problems with functioning were seen more for what they actually were: normal reactions to overwhelming stress from past experiences or current situations, and so-called âmental illnessâ or âdisordersâ were regarded as the mindâs way of expressing things too difficult too face, handle, or endure. It was a wise, compassionate approach. But psychiatry had other ideas.
And anyone who believes that life doesnât give you more than you can handle hasnât dealt with psychiatry.
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Psychiatry confuses, fools, and intimidates people with its medicalized language. It uses the tried and tested âif it sounds scientific, it must be trueâ technique of manipulating people.
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Psychiatry is malfeasance, imo. And those who claim otherwise have a lot to learn.
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âWhat is practiced in psychiatry is harmful to the brain and body. Most of this is unnecessaryâŠ.â
Yes! Most people have a much better chance of attaining some kind of positive equilibrium without disabling âpsychiatric medicationsâ or invalidating âpsychotherapyâ. But few psychiatrists (and few psychotherapists for that matter) are able to see or care how harmful psychiatric drugs and labels can actually be, and most arenât likely to change their minds any time soon.
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Thank you Tammy, for sharing your riveting story. Unfortunately I fear itâs an all too common one, but your submitting it to MIA helps publicize the fact that âpsychiatric patientsâ are more than a âdiagnosisâ.
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ââŠsmearing your characterâŠâ is psychiatryâs main function, recognized or not. And few psychiatrists (and few therapists for that matter) are able to see or care how harmful psychiatric labels and drugs are. And most of those that do lack the courage to speak out against these shameful practices. Itâs a thoroughly criminal enterprise, imo.
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ââŠwe give up our responsibilities to an impersonal and destructive systemâŠâ
So very true and so very sadâŠ
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One of the most ridiculous things going is the amount of energy most therapists spend in trying to get people to believe that âseeing a therapistâ is somehow more beneficial than talking to a trusted friend. Their insistence is truly pathetic and almost comical.
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Imo, talking to a trusted friend or family member is much more helpful than speaking to a âtherapistâ, because a personal relationship is the only way to really know who and what youâre dealing with. And speaking with someone on a more equal footing is the best way to ensure youâre not being unduly influenced by someoneâs essentially meaningless âqualificationsâ.
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Steve says, âNot all friends will be helpful, only the ones who have dealt with their childhood trauma, but the odds of finding someone who has are not improved by seeing a âprofessionalâ.
Thank your for mentioning this crucially important truth. And the fact that most âtherapistsâ claim the opposite is, imo, as injurious as the pharmaceutical toxins most psychiatrists (and many other doctors) prescribe. And itâs an especially destructive lie because the psychological effects of being told a therapistâs word is more reliable because of a their âeducationâ, plus an erroneous âpower imbalanceâ, gives therapists the power to further damage a personâs already shaky sense of self, which is unforgivable.
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Thank you for mentioning Alice Miller. I think her theories tell the whole story.
Itâs beyond unfortunate that those trained to help people in emotional distress arenât taught or refuse to accept this fundamental reality. And I think most professionals (and definitely most psychiatrists) use their work as a way to continue denying (unconsciously) their own unconscious traumas.
Anyone with issues should read one of Alice Millerâs books before seeking âprofessionalâ help. Reading âThe Drama of the Gifted Childâ was all I needed to make sense of things and stop âtherapyâ and numbing âpsych medsâ, both of which were traumatizing. I think everyone should read one of Alice Millerâs books as soon as they turn twenty-one, and definitely before having children of their own.
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âBut psychiatrists or the general population actually pretend that psych drugs affect only the brain, AND in some âgood way.â
Thank you for mentioning this important distinction regarding biological psychiatry. I donât find this kind of flawed thinking anywhere near as often with other kinds of doctors and the medications they prescribe.
I think psychiatryâs having to rely on a book of âdiagnosesâ based on committee-voted checklists is the reason most psychiatrists unreasonably defend the substances they prescribe, and doing so makes them insecure.
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A fascinating read: âPsychiatryâs Failure Crisis: Are You Moderately or Radicalized Enlightened?â by Bruce Levine, PhD.
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I think if someoneâs credibly is questioned or theyâre being misquoted they have the right to defend themselves.
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Itâs been said that history often repeats itself. Seems true, especially considering that itâs now the Age of Psychiatric Inquisitionâwhere the expression of negative feelings is a mortal sin to be medically persecuted with labels, drugs, and involuntary confinement, with the only means of escape being to hide oneâs negative feelings, and especially any unbelief in psychiatryâs self-proclaimed supremacy.
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Psychiatry is the antithesis of authenticity. The only thing real about it is the damage it causes to virtually every aspect of a meaningful life: physically, emotionally, psychologically, socially, professionally, and culturally. Itâs label-fixated, drug-obsessed, medicalized puppetry, and psychiatrists are the puppet masters.
Definition for puppet master: a person that uses their actions or words to control someone or something of a lesser will, also known as pulling the strings.
And most psychotherapy isnât much different, as itâs based on a synthetic relationship.
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But I donât think most other âmental health professionalsâ are much better than psychiatrists, as most are psychiatryâs lapdogs who follow the DSM like dogs in heat.
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So-called anti-depressants donât âtreatâ anything. Theyâre anesthetics that not only blunt the feelings of those who use them, but the ability to adequately respond to the feelings of others and life in general.
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There is no such thing as a âpsychiatric diseaseâ or âdisorderâ. Thereâs just feelings, behaviors and thought processes.
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Hazel says, ââmental illness doesnât have to be a life sentence. Sometimes itâs a healing experience in spite of orthodox psychiatry.â
EXACTLY.
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âDSM disordering leads to scraps from the tableâŠ.all useful for the individual while obfuscating and maintaining the multifaceted cultural disorders for us all and turning more and more people into psychiatric consumers.â
Brilliantly stated. âPersonality disordersâ be damned.
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And psychiatric diagnoses often destroy peopleâs credibility, which is strange when a lot of psychiatrists are said to take psychiatric drugs themselves.
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Psychiatry is predatory medicine.
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It may have been an ER doctor. But it wasnât a psychiatrist, which wouldnât have made much difference. And she had a supportive husband who objected to her being institutionalized, no matter how briefly.
And yes, the psychiatric system DEFINITELY counts on people remaining silent and is DEFINITELY set up to separate the individual from the community and the family. And speaking out is THE ONLY WAY to stop the charade of psychiatry. And thereâs DEFINITELY power in numbers, which is EXACTLY why websites like MIA are so critically important.
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l_e_cox is right. Mental health problems are very real and some people may need skilled help. But those skills should not include psychiatric diagnosing, or forced drugging, or holding people against their will. And working towards ending these injustices in whatever way possible is more than a dream. Itâs a moral imperative.
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Correction: it may not have been her gynecologist, it may have been her primary doctor. But it wasnât a psychiatrist or mental health worker.
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I once read an article (I canât recall where) about a new mother who was experiencing âpostpartum depressionâ. She went to see her gynecologist, but unfortunately she had to see someone she didnât know. But this doctor (who happened to be a woman) freaked out and had her hauled off to a psych ward. Her ordeal was horrible, but she managed (with great difficulty) to eventually get out of there. But most telling was that when she told her story on Facebook, she received THOUSANDS of messages from women who had either experienced similar situations or were afraid to confide in their doctor because they had heard of what could happen if they did.
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Mary says, â⊠I created a customized treatment plan of time in nature, human connection, writing, and finding nonjudgmental listeners.â
This is what humans are born to do. Itâs called living life. And thereâs NO LIFE in DSM-ing and drugging people, which are front-and-center in the âmental health systemâsâ power-and-profit-driven agenda â
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Psychiatry is not much more than a set of medicalized booby traps. But thank goodness the word has a chance to finally get around. And when it does, (most) psychiatrists wonât be able to hide the fact that most have egg on their faces and blood on their hands.
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I agree with Dr. Glasser. And no one should have license to pathologize people with medicalized behavioral labels.
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To l_e_cox,
I agree that thereâs a lot going on that weâre not very aware of. But I wish more people knew about or paid attention to psychiatryâs whistleblowers.
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Thank you anotherone. I very much appreciate your supportive words.
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And the âmental health systemâ is NOT safe â for anyone.
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Miracles can happen when a child feels safe.
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I agree. Itâs about establishing a nurturing environment, not an adversarial one. But I donât think the âmental health systemâ should be involved, at least not the way itâs run now.
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l_e_cox says, âI have been looking into a lot more ways than just Big Pharma! What makes you think they are on TOP? That is to say, what makes you think there is no person or group higher?â
I recently heard on a news channel that the Big Banks are whatâs behind Big Industry.
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Marie says, ââŠsome of the mediaâŠare no more than mouthpieces for pharmaceutical companies.â
Thatâs exactly what most media are for the pharmaceutical companies; theyâve long since established a symbiotic relationship.
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If one bothers to read this current article closely, one would learn the four-step process from James Davies book âSedated: How Modern Capitalism Created Our Mental Health Crisisâ and hopefully understand how this process shapes our societyâs current healthcare and economic policies and by extension our personal healthcare decisions:
1. Conceptualize human suffering in ways that protect the current economic system from criticism
2. Redefine individual well-being in terms consistent with the goals of our economy
3. Medicalize behaviors and emotions that might negatively impact the economy
4. Turn suffering on a vibrant market opportunity for more consumption
And itâs a process purposely put in motion primarily by the so-called âprofessionalâ/ruling class.
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Psychiatrists donât have to wait for people to be âin crisisâ to have their âpharmaceutical wayâ with them. All most people need to do is show up at a primary providerâs office and say theyâre âanxiousâ or âdepressedâ in order to get a prescription for any number of powerful psych drugs. And some people are getting powerful psychiatric drugs from online âmental healthâ start ups. And itâs this dangerously lax approach to handing out powerful psychotropic substances thatâs causing so much needless and often permanent iatrogenic harm, which is something most psychiatrists and primary providers know little about. And most of the time when people bring this to their attention they either are NOT believed or DONâT receive the support and suggestions they need for handling the problems created by psych drugs that most people didnât need in the first place.
And yes, there is indeed âsomething very, very wrong with this pictureâ, and whatâs wrong is this: we now live in a culture inundated by a much too powerful pharmaceutical industry thatâs primarily motivated by profits and is given unlimited access to any and all media outlets in the United States.
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Tim Wilson says, âBut your claims that all psychiatrist/psychologist/therapists are incompetent, harmful, hustlers, in my experience, lacks credibility.â
May I remind you that your experience does NOT outweigh the credibility of my experience, nor does my experience outweigh the credibility of yours. Furthermore, I do NOT question the credibility of anyoneâs experience with the mental health system as Iâve had more than enough experience TO TAKE THEM AT THEIR WORD â and I would appreciate being shown the same courtesy.
And FYI: itâs my opinion that the ENTIRE âmental healthâ system is based on a dangerously incompetent and dangerously harmful hustler culture that produces and protects dangerously incompetent and dangerously harmful hustlers/practitioners. And tragically, any exceptions are exceedingly rare, which is the reason for this website.
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And in my opinion, societies that pay people to listen have warped priorities.
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To Tim Wilson:
Claims vs opinions: a claim is generally an argument about something debatable, and may it be an argument about facts or the interpretation of facts. An opinion does not need to be backed up with facts –
You say that my claims âlack credibilityâ. Please be advised that my claims and opinions are from facts and knowledge gained from my own LIVED EXPERIENCE which is NOT DEBATABLE, and makes them THE MOST CREDIBLE CLAIMS OUT THERE â
And if youâre still curious about my lived experience with âthe mental health systemâ, may I suggest you take the time to peruse some of my earlier posts.
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Hayden Hall says, âWhen someone will listen very carefully, will exercise disciplines that teach them not to look down at the speaker whom most people might look down on, and will pay attention with a focus that, many times, a friend or relative cannot provide, that may be something a speaker can place monetary value on.â
Anyone who doesnât naturally know how to listen respectfully and expects to be paid for doing so is no one I care to talk with.
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Ms Spencer says, âEven befriending a lonely childâŠdoesnât really have anything to do with the mental health system.â
Ms. Spencer is right. Kindness has nothing to do with the âmental healthâ system. But power and money sure do.
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ThereAreFourLights says, âHow about trauma free schools?â
Youâve got my vote!!!
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Hayden Hall says, âAny kind of professional who requires some kind of renumeration in exchange for a focused application of their skills might be said to exchange in ârelationships based on money.â
Obviously. But the title of this article is as follows: âThe Mental Health Industry Speaks Volumes About Our Societyâs Prioritiesâ. Furthermore, MIA isnât about âany kind of professional(s)â. It is specifically about the current âmental health systemâ and our societyâs role in perpetuating a broken system. And this is EXACTLY what my comments address, as in the one I posted previously:
Birdsong: âThe following states what Iâve always suspected about the financially-driven contrivance called âpsychotherapyâ:
Author:âItâs not reasonable, (Smail suggests) to expect professionals whose identity and livelihood depend on the individual model of suffering to reliably champion the view that, actually, capitalism is the real culprit.â
And although I stated, âRelationships based on money and labeling are disgustingâ please note that I included âLABELINGâ, i.e. âdiagnosingâ, a discriminatory practice used ONLY by the âmental healthâ industry, which is something that unfortunately people ARE EXPECTED TO PAY FOR âââ
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To Tim Wilson,
Iâm voicing my opinion, and opinions do not lack credibility.
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So, so true!
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Hayden Hall says, âBirdsong thinks professionalism of any kind is disgusting.â
Please note: Birdsong does not think, nor has ever said, âprofessionalism of any kind is disgustingâ, and does not appreciate being so blatantly misrepresented.
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Children donât need âtrauma informedâ schools. They need âtrauma informedâ parents.
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Itâs a sad day when people have substituted words like âtherapeutic interventionâ for simple human kindness. And doing so causes a whole host of problems, especially for children.
ââŠbut as CTIPP itself notes, thereâs a difference between therapy and therapeutic intervention.â
Really? I wouldnât depend on teachers knowing the difference.
âEven befriending a lonely child whoâs seen violence in an home is a potentially therapeutic interventionâŠâ
Befriending a child or anyone else is simply HUMAN KINDNESSâ
ââŠ.and doesnât really have anything to do with the mental health system.â
Really? Just you wait. The bureaucratic âmental health expertsâ are never far behind. And if teachers have to import âexpertsâ to show them how to befriend a lonely child, it means the school itself is the problem.
The road to hell is paved with âtherapeutic interventionsâ.
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Hayden Hall says, âIn contracting with a qualified professional to provide their skills in service, you are helping them to eat, and liveâ.
Qualified to what??? Permanently saddle people with unfounded and discriminatory âdiagnosesâ and push dangerous drugs??? Or lead people down a self-serving path of cognitive dissonance???
Psychiatry is not medicine. It is drug pushing. And psychotherapy is emotional prostitution.
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I repeat: relationships based on money and labeling are disgusting â FULL STOP â
MOST people work MUCH harder for MUCH less, and do it WITHOUT LABELING ANYBODY, and thereâs NO VIRTUE in defending the indefensible â
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âMcMindfulnessâ – – now THATâS a term that means something.
Having young kids fill out a questionnaire about feelings is wrong. Itâs too focused and inappropriately intellectualizes emotions theyâre probably not ready to understand and deal with in a safe way. And it also violates their privacy, as you can be damn sure someone somewhere will misuse the information. Screening makes kids targets.
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School was trauma. And I think it still is.
Iâm wary of schools getting involved in trauma. Just look at the mess theyâve made with so-called ADHD. Itâll probably mean more ways to label, drug, and stigmatize kids who already have too much to deal with. And looking for trauma often adds more trauma, as setting kids apart makes them self conscious and gives other kids a reason to pick on them. They need a place and an identity that has nothing to do with trauma. So give them a break for gosh sake.
Schools should do families a favor and stay the heck out of the âmental healthâ business.
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iamcrazyaboutmentalhealth says, âBut I see a new world that is already started by finding a place like this and learning new ways to look at myself instead of through the cold lens of permanent brokenness as psychology has taught me.â
âthrough the cold lens of permanent brokenness as psychology has taught me.â
Thank you, iam. THAT SAYS IT ALL!!!
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Relationships based on money and labeling are DISGUSTING.
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Kevin,
Thank you for sharing your powerful story and remarkable insights.
I found confiding in âprofessionalsâ trained to âdiagnoseâ to be not only insulting, but thankfully an impossible task, as most âtherapistsâ arenât worth the paper their âdegreesâ are printed on.
And labeling children is child abuse â FULL STOP â
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Steve says, âResearch has proven that insensitive and thoughtless people fare better in societyâŠ.and (are) more successful in certain professions like sales, law, or politics.â
I think you left out mental health professionals. But wait a minute â arenât these just a bunch of salespeople and politicians by another name?
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iamcrazyaboutmentalhealth says, ââŠit is nice to find a world that confirms what I have often thought about psychology for years, and finding sites like this was like somebody giving me permission I didnât think I had to question the way the current system does thingsâŠBecauseâŠI had a voice leftover from my past saying I really didnât know what I am talking about because I am not a professional. But now I know that is not true.â
IT IS SO NOT TRUE!!! And thank you for sharing how âbeing a professionalâ DOESNâT MEAN ANYTHING â
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Sam says, âLack of insight is when people donât see psychiatry for what it is.â
Perfectly stated.
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Children should not be trained, shamed, or forced to shut down/deny their negative feelings, and adults who teach this are committing an inverted form of emotional abuse.
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Children act out. But guess what? So do mental health âexpertsâ. Itâs called âdiagnosingâ.
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The corporate world has turned âmindfulnessâ into one big âFuckidallâ approach. And schools are playing catch-up. But âFuckidallâ, whether in pill form or chants, kicks the can down the road.
Psychiatry is zombie medicine, and âpsychotherapyâ means âfollow the leaderâ, i.e. your âtherapistâ.
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Psychiatric diagnoses ARE NOT accurate representations of peopleâs distress and DO NOT improve quality of life â
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Priorities are subject to change, so there might come a time when (most) psychiatrists will be seen for what they are: drug pushing, money-grabbing quacks, and (most) psychotherapists will be seen as mind-bending, money-grabbing soul suckers.
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There will come a time when psychiatry will be seen for what it is: drug-pushing quackery, and psychotherapy will be seen as outsourcing oneâs soul.
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And whatâs the most important thing in the average âtherapistâsâ agenda?
$$$$$ â no matter WHAT they say â
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dfk asks, âIs it the lack of connection that has gone wrong?â
It IS a lack of connection that has gone wrong, but itâs a lack of connection with OURSELVES that has gone wrong, more than anything else.
Hiring someone to help with that is no solution.
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The following states what Iâve always suspected about the financially-driven contrivance called âpsychotherapyâ:
âItâs not reasonable, (Smail) suggests, to expect professionals whose identity and livelihood depend on the individual model of suffering to reliably champion the view that, actually, capitalism is the real culprit, and they are enablers.â
Listening for money debases human relationships.
So whatâs it really all about in most âtherapyâ? THE THERAPISTâS AGENDA â
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dfk asks, âIs it the lack of connection that has gone wrong?â
It IS a lack of connection that has gone wrong, but it is a lack of connection, or âbondâ, with ONESELF that has gone wrong more than anything else. But I didnât find talking with an egoist (âtherapistâ) at all helpful.
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Hasnât the term âhighly sensitive personâ been hijacked by psychiatry and called a âdisorderâ? And if not, why not?
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Ms McLean writes, ââŠthe role of market forces (encourages) the kinds of personal qualitiesâcompetitiveness, self-reliance, entrepreneurialism and productivityâŠâ and considers âExpressions of sufferingâŠas proof of a psychological deficiencyâŠ(and by)âŠblunting negative emotional reactions to exploitation and alienation, pathologized distress and antidepressant use disrupt the natural push for social reform that such suffering would normally provoke, leaving the exploitative system intact and its victims unarmed.â
Valuing external achievements more than internal ones creates needless alienation and suffering. And the only cure is an awareness of the situation and a personal commitment to deeper values.
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Hayden Hall says, ââŠself-empathy (that) may bring liberation!!â
Self-empathy is the ONLY way to liberation, but is something I never found âin therapyâ.
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âMental health cliniciansâ who believe in a literal reality of any âpsychiatric diagnosisâ have a distorted sense of reality thatâs ruled by their own unconscious anxieties and desire for power.
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dfk asks, âIs it the lack of connection that has gone wrong?â
It IS a lack of connection that has âgone wrongâ. But itâs a lack of connection (or âbondâ) with ourselves that has gone wrong more than anything else.
And although feeling invisible wasnât easy, seeing a âtherapistâ was even worse, because it meant being labeled/stigmatized for feeling invisible. But it did prove one thing to me: anyone whoâs paid to listen ISNâT WORTH IT â
Why is it as children weâre told not to trust strangers, but as adults weâre expected to trust (and pay) a âtherapistâ whoâs nothing more than a stranger with a degree and a fee? These things donât make someone trustworthy. All these do is make it possible for someone to destroy your sense of self and charge you for it. So encouraging people to trust someone on a superficial basis is not only insulting, but a recipe for disaster on so many levels. And itâs one of the main reasons the worldâs as sick as it is â
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Psychotherapy is not social, itâs âclinicalâ, which makes it artificial and potentially TOXIC â
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dogworld says, âIf one had trauma from childhood where they never experienced trust and continued in life the same way. Why would any expectation be they need to bond with a relative stranger to understand themselves or recover?
YES!!! Thank you for asking this question. Itâs one Iâve been asking for years and have never received a good answer for. But I never expected one because I knew none existed.
âNo adult should trust anyone they do not know to some extentâŠBut when it comes to oneâs most sacred organ (brain/ mind), it is taken so superficially.â
Most therapists operate with more hubris than integrity, meaning few question the safety and effectiveness of psychotherapy (or themselves).
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dfk says, âWe are social, not solitary.â
Yes, but psychotherapy is NOT social. Itâs a sanitized and artificial association intent on conforming âclientsâ/âpatientsâ to its sanitized, artificial, and dissociated way of being.
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Hayden Hall says: âIn a less than totally imperfect world, psychotherapy could be a trustful relationship.â
I disagree. I think a âclinical relationshipâ is a totally misguided and seriously distorted way of relating to another human being in any kind of world, and thinking otherwise is indeed a fantasy, a âtherapistâsâ fantasy.
ââŠthis goes to show how coercion – explicit or implied – in the healing arts causes real and lasting harm.â
I agree. But the powers that be who unquestionably sing âtherapyâsâ praises makes their recommending âtherapyâ feel coercive and can make people afraid of considering options.
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âYou donât have one without the otherâ meaning the âmental health systemâ is out to sell its bill of goods, meaning diagnoses, drugs, or its heads-up-its-ass âpsychotherapyâ.
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ââŠBetter information all along the way would have helped. Freedom of information is lacking in allopathic psychiatry.â
Getting relevant information from allopathic psychiatrists is next to impossible as lies, diagnoses and drugs are all theyâve got.
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Psychiatry canât fool the public forever. But I hope it doesnât take another generation of people harmed by it before it gets debunked. Sure hope the internet speeds it up.
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Itâs all about âproductivityâ these days.
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âYour mind is being controlled by distant strangers who donât have your best interests at heart.â
Thereâs little difference between the mental health and advertising industries, as both exploit peopleâs misfortunes and insecurities, meaning you donât have one without the other. And itâs been happening for many millennia, as whoever controls information controls the world, which is why itâs so important to not rely on the âmental health industryâ.
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Steve says, âMaybe we should cut out the middle man and just hire horses to do therapyâŠâ
Anything that bypasses a fundamentally flawed system is a good option. And itâs almost comical how something that calls itself a âmental health systemâ actually promotes âmental illnessâ.
What really needs to happen is for the DSM to be declared invalid, which isnât likely to happen because itâs what the mental illness system is built on.
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I once read that how a society treats its âmentally illâ reflects the health of that society.
And what does our society reflect? An unhealthy society.
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May the disease of psychiatric oppression soon be no more.
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Every day is Halloween for (most) psychiatrists, i.e. âpoly-pharmacyâ.
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âFrequency of climbing behavior as a predictor of altered motor activity in rat forced swimming testâ
This âresearchâ is a ghastly practice (animal torture) and gives me reason to believe my hunch that those who engage in âpsychiatric drug researchâ are indeed sadistic.
Someone needs to ask these âresearchersâ how theyâd react if they suddenly found themselves forced to swim for their lives.
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Thank you Ms McLean for writing this outstanding article and thank you MIA for publishing it. It expertly summarizes a complicated and severely problematic set of circumstances that few people are aware of, or if they are, chose to ignore. And many of these are the psych professionals people turn to for help.
And though the question âSo, why donât governments intervene?â is easy to ask, the answer is not, as the pharmaceutical industry long ago bought off (i.e. âlobbiedâ) the legislators. And this is why âAn educated public has a much better chance as advocating from the grassroots for safe and effective treatments in the face of a pharmaceutical industry more interested in profits than people.â
I say itâs the only chance.
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I find it mind boggling that (most?) therapists fail to see that the so-called âtherapeutic relationshipâ is, imo, a relationship built on extremely unhealthy power dynamics: power imbalance, psychiatric labeling, fee payment, etc. These elements, imo, exploit and degrade the client/patient and can lead to people becoming dependent or even addicted to the therapist and the so-called âtherapeutic relationshipâ, which imo makes therapy a sick solution and imo means most therapists are on massive ego trips.
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And one more thing: in my experience, the âtherapistâsâ needs always surpassed my own, meaning I usually ended up having to kiss their asses to avoid being therapeutically assaulted.
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anotherone,
Thank you for your wonderfully supportive words. I deeply appreciate them and your insightful comments.
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Psychiatry is medical GASLIGHTING â
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Correction: I DO know which is the worst: the financial.
And having that on top of some contrived âpower imbalanceâ makes âtherapyâ an untrustworthy relationship, imo.
And even though people in any relationship are trying to meet some kind of need, hiding behind a âpower imbalanceâ and then charging money is what makes âtherapyâ un-therapeutic.
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The problem I have with therapy is that I believe therapists are ALWAYS trying to meet their own needs, consciously and unconsciously: financially, emotionally and egoically. And I donât know which is the worst.
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Steve,
What you described is hopefully how people try to be, counselor or not. And I also think it describes a good friend.
And I agree thereâs no training for that ability. But the therapists I knew claimed their training was what made them able to react non-judgmentally, which I found incredibly arrogant, especially when I sensed that âthe therapyâ was more about making THEM feel better.
âThey liked that I was human and real with themâŠ.â
Human and real. Those are the magic words.
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Psychiatry is a disease, a social disease.
And the mental health system is its breeding ground.
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There needs to be an Eleventh Commandment:
11: THOU SHALL NOT DIAGNOSE OTHERS
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anotherone,
Thank you for alerting me. I appreciate and believe in your hard-won skepticism. And I donât think you sound dismissive, as I wholeheartedly agree with your comment: ââŠthe best defense against authoritarian violence from the mental health field is epistemic justice.â
And thank you for mentioning concept creep. Maybe these terms (epistemic justice, concept creep) are the ones Iâve been trying to find to more clearly articulate my criticisms of psychiatry and its offshoots. And imo, the entire mental health system is an industry that thrives on epistemic injustice fueled by its incessant concept creep, better known as âpower imbalanceâ and âpsychiatric diagnosesâ.
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I realized your intent. I was attempting to respond with mock indignation.
What I find disturbing is how committed people are to a system thatâs so obviously harmful. And I realize thereâs nothing funny about that.
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Steve says, âMy point was that the horse isnât going to reply to you out of his own psychological issuesâŠâ
The problem is therapists inevitably do, as do all people, to one extent or another. But I refuse to buy into the bullshit that therapists are trained to âdealâ with âtransferenceâ, counter or otherwise, because in my experience, the more therapists claim to be âabove itâ, the more likely they are to be affected by it. And when you toss in the toxic âpower imbalanceâ, youâve created one HUGE pile of horseshit.
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The issue of âcountertransferenceâ is one more bullshit word the MH system drags out and makes a big deal out of when all it is is something that happens in every relationship, the only difference being in âtherapyâ youâre expected to pay someone whoâs often actingâs like a horseâs ass. Personally I prefer telling someone whoâs acting like a horseâs ass where to go and how to get there without having to whip out a check while being given yet another goddamn label, or insulted in some other mindlessly âtherapeuticâ way. And Iâd much rather sit on a horseâs back than talk to a horseâs ass (my âtherapistâ), which for me was like stepping into a pile of steaming HORSE SHIT â
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Thank you for mentioning Richard Feynman. I had heard of his book, âWhat Do You Care What Other People Think?â
The misery of tapering could be avoided if people werenât led to believe that psychiatric drugs are the answer.
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Most of the people working in âmental illnessâ system are people who havenât faced whatâs been done to them and donât want to face what theyâre doing to others. And âtreating the brainâ is one big cop-out.
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Correction: âAlmost??? The system wasnât created to help anyone get better. It was created to maintain the status quo.
The MH system is a great way for people to exert power over others while making themselves feel important.
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Almost??? Itâs why the system was created.
âTreating the brainâ imo, is a great way for the bullies, jerks, and insensitives of the world to deny the reality of childhood trauma so they donât have to deal their own, or what theyâve done or are doing to their own children. Or else they just canât deal with other peopleâs sad reality. And believing in âbrain scienceâ makes them feel good because it gives them status. But itâs all one big, shared delusion. But itâs great for âthe professionalsâ and their fucked up values.
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Correction: âWhich is a curious development, considering that education supposedly elevates people above their baser instincts. But psychiatry has managed to accomplished the opposite.â
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Hereâs a prayer for the ages:
May the disease known as psychiatric oppression soon be a thing of the past.
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People should read this before they have children and read it to their teenagers as a cautionary tale of hope and overcoming.
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To Jennifer: THANK YOU!!! Itâs the best damn thing Iâve ever read. And I LOVE your art!
My favorite line: âThere was not a handful, but a universe full of people who had stories like mine, diagnoses like mine, and then, they undiagnosed themselves. I did the same.â
This is the only way to rid the world of âpsychiatryâ and its related fields: UNDIAGNOSE YOURSELF. And itâs the only way to make psychiatry and its related fields a thing of the past.
And it canât happen a moment too soon.
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The world is a place where people often unfairly judge others and then often resort to unfair labeling. Nowhere is this despicable habit more prevalent than in the psychiatric industry, a place literally brimming with despicable labels. Which is a curious development, considering that education supposedly elevates the worst in human nature.
As the story goes, somewhere along the line, a bunch of people calling themselves âpsychiatristsâ figured out a way to make the despicable profitableâFOR THEMâand decided to called it âpsychiatric diagnosingâ, but itâs nothing more than dressed-up name-calling. And to further mislead the public, they cleverly but improperly decided to invoke the word âscienceâ to cover their multitude of psychiatric sins, all of which are unforgivable.
But this article discusses helpful alternatives to psychiatric labeling, as they seem to understand that such labeling and its array of standard âtreatmentsâ often destroys lives. Their methods (respectful communication, natural settings) are a bright spot in the ugly field of psychiatry and the mental health industry at large, both of which seem satisfied laying waste to humanity, all in the name of âmental healthâ.
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Thereâs one thing you can be sure of in this life: wherever thereâs a need, thereâll always be some jackass whoâll to find a way to make a buck off it. And donât be fooled by anyoneâs so-called âqualificationsâ, as universities are no longer the neutral marketplace of ideas – theyâve become the marketplace of certification and financification in the fields of conformity and exploitation, something more commonly known as âthe mental health industryâ â
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6. And if âthe patientâ refuses to âcooperateâ (bow down) to â the doctorâ, âthe doctorâ will usually resort to ARBITRARILY ASSIGNING YET ANOTHER âDIAGNOSISâ to âthe patientâ. Itâs âthe doctorâsâ unconscious but foolproof way of establishing POWER over âthe patientâ, and âthe doctorâsâ unconscious but foolproof way of inducing feelings of hopelessness, degradation, and stigmatization in âthe patientâ. Itâs the sickest power play out there.
Define âarbitrarilyâ: on the basis of random choice or personal whim, without restraint in the use of authority; autocratically; irrational, inconsistent, irresponsible, subjective, unreasonable, willful, offhand, capricious, and the list goes onâŠ.and plenty of examples are available in the DSM!
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KateL says, âI wonder how much it cost to be seen as a person. Iâm sure I canât afford it.â
Thatâs saying a mouthful.
Shedding âSevere Mental Illnessâ labels doesnât go far enough. The whole âmental healthâ industry deserves to be SHREDDED –
This article proves that the answers arenât in assigning âpsychiatric diagnosesâ or prescribing âpsychiatric medicationsâ. The answers are found in creating safe places where people feel safe enough to air their thoughts and feelings. Itâs that rare commodity known as HUMAN DECENCY, which should exist first and foremost in a personâs home AND NOT COST A DIME â
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Ms. Lilly says, âDiscussing discontinuation with your doctor is recommended to avoid ADS and withdrawal symptoms.â
Thatâs a terrible recommendation. Because most âdoctorsâ are likely to:
1. Dismiss âthe patientâsâ concerns
2. Dissuade âthe patientâ from lowering the âdosage(s)â AT ALL
3. INCREASES the âdosage(s)â
4. Switch âthe patientâ to another yet equally damaging âmedicationâ
5. Add another âmedicationâ to âtreatâ the âside effectsâ of the current âmedication(s)â
5. And if âthe patientâ refuses to âcooperateâ (bow down) to âthe doctorâ, âthe doctorâ will usually resort to doing what âthe doctorâ did in the beginning, which was establish control over âthe patientâ by âdiagnosingâ (i.e. name calling) âthe patientâ. Itâs âthe doctorâsâ unconscious but foolproof way of establishing power over âthe patientâ and âthe doctorâsâ unconscious but foolproof way of inducing feelings of hopelessness, degradation and stigmatization in âthe patientâ. Itâs the sickest power play going.
A better recommendation is this: make sure you have a good internet connection and know of some good peer-run ADS websites. Itâs all anyone really needs. Plus a hell of a lot of luck, patience and courage â
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Ms. Biancolli quotes Mr. Garson: âThe starting point for future philosophical inquiry is not: what is madness? What shall we compare it to? But rather: what is sanity? What shall we compare it to?â
With all due respect, Iâd rather stick with the first question: what is madness?
And that I can answer in three letters: DSM. Itâs the very definition of madnessâPSYCHIATRYâS MADNESS. And deception. And arrogance. And cruelty. And ugliness. And stupidity. And evil. AND GREED.
Things in âmental health systemâ have reached a point that asking the unanswerable is pointless. Itâs become a matter of peopleâs basic human and civil rights being seriously violated, which psychiatry does almost gleefully and with little to no regard for the potentially disastrous consequences in the lives of living, breathing, thinking, and definitely FEELING people.
Philosophical debate will not and cannot stop the problems created and denied by the out-of-control mental health industry which is headed by the two-headed juggernaut of psychiatry and its partners in crime, the pharmaceutical industry. The only thing that can possibly stop, or at least curtail, the disease of psychiatry is a massive public outcry against psychiatryâs discriminatory âdiagnosesâ and its debilitating âdrugsâ. And it definitely needs more and bigger victories in court. But no one should count on the latter. But one thing is certain: change can only happen when enough lives are ruined or lost as a result of psychiatryâs egregious misrepresentations of âdiseaseâ and its debilitating âdrugsâ. And tragically, this process is well underway â
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Iâve little patience for the philosophical meanderings of yet another mumbling, fumbling, incurably pasty-faced academic whose ponderous intellectual wandering (i.e. farting around) does little to improve the situation at hand, while (most) psychiatrists and other âmental health professionalsâ manage to get off scott free.
And Iâm a âshit or get off the potâ kind of person AND AM DAMN PROUD OF IT â
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And for those people who âchooseâ to make a living off blithely labeling others (psychologists, psychiatrists, etc.), Iâve got plenty of âchoiceâ labels FOR THEM, the only difference being my labels for them, however crude, are ENTIRELY ACCURATE â
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Define âblithelyâ:
– Lacking or showing a lack of due concern, casual, âspoke with blithe indifference to the true situationâ
– Heedless, lacking due thought and consideration
– A disregard for the rights of others
– Ignorance and indifference
I canât think of a better word to describe the mental health industry.
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Doctorsâ big egos are a drug reps payday. And where are the biggest egos in medicine? Psychiatry, which is ALL EGO. And drug reps know this, and play them like a fiddle.
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What are (most) psychiatrists?
The drug industryâs unwitting shills, or clueless dupes. Theyâre pretentious fools who donât mind living as power-grabby, drug-happy ignoramuses.
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Topher,
If you meant my comment, I thank you very much.
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KateL,
Drugs reps are some of the most highly-trained salespeople out there. They actually go out of their way to âresearchâ the personalities and lifestyles of the doctors on their drop-in list. They scout out their vulnerabilities and where to complement them, because the seduction of doctors is a drug repâs specialty. And itâs no accident that the sales reps are good looking. Itâs a real schmooze city.
I once read a book on subliminal seduction. And according to the authors, physicians are the most susceptible, because physicians are typically the most cut off from their feelings, due to both the doctorâs inborn personality (big ego), and the unsympathetic training (med school) they subject themselves to.
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And for those people who âchooseâ to make living off blithely labeling others, (psychiatrists, psychologists, etc.) Iâve got plenty of labels FOR THEM, the only difference being my labels, however crude, are entirely accurate â
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One of the worst things about the âmental health systemâ is it that people donât have a choice as to whether or not theyâre labeled. And being labeled means being stigmatized. No choice there.
And these harmful, stigmatizing, bullshit âlabelsâ, which are âchosenâ by some asshole âprofessionalâ, stay on peopleâs medical records for life, which can create all kinds of havoc and injustice. No choice there, either.
I personally have never liked labels, diagnostic or otherwise. To me theyâre all a huge pain in the ass, even ones like âvictimâ or âsurvivorâ, because even these are too connected to the crap I didnât âchooseâ to endure â and âchooseâ to forget.
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Anything devoid of ethics and morality is bound to crumble eventually, even psychiatry, but not before it harms and destroys a lot more people. Which is sad, but the truth often is.
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Yes, but admitting to anything like that puts psychiatric industryâs power at risk, which is the only thing that really matters to them. And the truth is they really donât need to care, as long as they have enough malpractice insurance. But little do they know that being power-grabby doesnât hide the fact that most psychiatrists are lily-livered Chicken Littles who donât know what the hell theyâre doing.
The truth is, psychiatryâs a shell game, and if they donât know it they sense it, which is enough to scare them shitless whenever someone calls their bluff, as most psychiatrists are a bunch of dim-witted cowards who get off on power. Tsk, tskâŠ
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Youâre welcome, anotherone.
And thanks for the publications, which are revealing and horrifying, but do prove my worst suspicions: that psychiatry at its core and in practice is a host of any number of despicable things, such as xenophobia ethnocentrism, sexism, etc., and operates as neofascist organization â FULL STOP â no matter WHAT psychiatrists say.
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Correction: âWhy is there so much misogyny in psychiatry? Because the men who devised it thought with their CROTCHESâ, not âcrotchetsâ.
And I was referencing the book, âMisogyny in Psychoanalysisâ, by Michaela Chamberlain, which seems well worth reading.
And the other two books reviewed sound like real doozies, too. Especially the first one, âCrash: A Memoir of Overmedication and Recoveryâ by Ann Bracken, especially for things like, âIâm not sure how helpful it was for my mother to talk with her male psychiatristsâŠ.especially given the medical establishment and cultural attitudes towards women at that time.â Very important insight, but I donât think things have changed very much. And as for Ms. Bracken revealing to her psychiatrist that âshe feels like a chemical waste dumpâ, and he prescribes âYet another pill. Of course.â THATâS psychiatry in a nutshell, and proves that being a psychiatrist is essentially no different than than being a street dealer.
And while the last book, âMadness: A Philosophical Explorationâ by Justin Garson sounds interesting, especially with its no-stone-unturned approach, Iâm less enthusiastic, as Iâve little patience for the meanderings of yet another academic, no matter how enlightened or informative s/he may be. And at the risk of sounding cynical, I can imagine (most) psychiatristsâbeing the hustlers they areâwill find a way to either dismiss it or co-opt it, like everything else.
And btw, I donât consider myself a feminist. I just call things as I see them and let the chips fall where they may.
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KateL quotes the APA: âThis (the black box warning) would put seriously ill patients at grave riskâ –
To which Kate aptly responds, âGotta love the APA, always looking out for patients.â
Typical statement from the APA, or any other paternalistic, politically motivated organization. But what else can you expect from a group of power-hungry, drug-happy buffoons?
Whatâs most important to the APA is maintaining their powerâto hell with peopleâs healthâand keeping their hold on power is what the APA is all about.
The only thing that scares the APA more than losing power is being seen as useless, but come to think of it, being seen as useless is one of the quickest ways to lose power. And power in psychiatry is all about ego, the psychiatristâs ego, from start to finish. But most psychiatrists canât see this because their egos have grown so big that they block out the light.
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anotherone says, âThe MH field has such an egregiously violating, dehumanizing MOâŠâ
Yes. And you mention the fact that many of psychiatryâs âhistorical academia ideologues were fascistsâ. They still are, imoâjust scratch the surface and there it isâEugenics from top to bottom. They just cover it up with âdiagnosesâ.
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I found the personâs image somewhat distracting.
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So glad thereâs finally a book that addresses (concisely) the rank misogyny that permeates psychiatry. I canât wait to read it!
But itâs no surprise, because in my opinion, psychiatry IS misogyny, through and through. Always has been, always will be. Itâs the indisputable junk-heap of unconscious male insecurity.
And why is there so much misogyny in psychiatry? Because the men who devised it (unbeknownst to themselves) thought with their crotchets. No surprise there! And most male psychiatrists still do, (again, unbeknownst to themselves), as facing the unreality of their unconsciously presumed superiority is their unconscious terror. Itâs as simple and as stupid as that.
And as the saying goes, you get what you pay for, which for most women âpatientsâ means more of the same unconscious misogyny they already experience from their husbands, fathers, sons, bosses, or even from those men who happen to work under them. Itâs as predictable as a manâs unimpeded farts and other bodily odors – –
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And the only thing âdeliberateâ I experienced âin therapyâ was being browbeaten by the therapist/psychiatrist so they could get their pound of âtherapeuticâ flesh â
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Kathleen says, âUs psychiatric survivors are whole people, not a malleable playdough to be molded, manipulated and tossed aside when itâs time to play with the next toy, the next client. We are certainly not subjects to be experimented on.â
Thank you, Kathleen, for saying this.
Although I did not experience ECT, thatâs EXACTLY how I felt as a psychiatric patient, because thatâs EXACTLY how (most) psychiatrists view âpatientsâ, as OBJECTS, though most would never admit it.
âThe assumed inevitability of it all, the way in which psychiatry is happy to follow these casual routines, to tread the same well-worn paths with no regard for the damage that their inept, clumsy steps cause to our mental environments.â
YES! I find it annoying that so many people talk on and on about the trashing of our natural environment, yet are totally unaware of the trashing of our mental environment from psychiatryâs stigmatizing âdiagnosesâ and its physically and psychologically polluting âdrugsâ, not to mention the barbaric practice of ECT. And most allied professionals arenât much better, as most are too stupid to do anything other than follow in psychiatryâs well-worn, clumsy, and COMPLETELY inept âpsychotherapeuticâ footsteps.
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Max McKay says, âIt is asinine that âtherapy outcomeâ as a concept fails to account for, reference, and acknowledge external psychosocial factors, to the point of outright distorting objectively correct views of circumstance.â
Very true. But I think itâs asinine that people get talked into, or talk themselves into, âgoing to therapyâ in the first place, which imo is a completely distorted way of relating to another human being.
âEven when it does correctly acknowledge external circumstance, it often then tries to normalize and control suffering, rather than diagnose some portion of emotional/cognitive pain as impossible to remove until external circumstance is changed (which often the individual has little to no individual power to do.â
Yes, and imo this points to the ultimate uselessness and futility of âpsychotherapyâ in most circumstances. But, fortunately, âgoing to therapyâ is one external circumstance most adults have the power to remove. But, unfortunately, the effects of the one-sided, power-imbalanced circumstance called âpsychotherapyâ often leaves âclientsâ subjectively, objectively, and monetarily scarred, FOR LIFE â
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The image chosen for this article is entirely inappropriate.
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And FYI: Iâve found a heck of a lot of âmeaningâ in NOT depending on or pouring money into the pockets of some impossibly smug, incredibly stupid, AND DEFINITELY OVERPRICED psych âprofessionalâ â
People need to know thereâs better, safer, and cheaper ways to âmake meaningâ than spending their time and money inflating the ego and pocketbook of some nitwit âpsychotherapistâ. Read a good book, watch a good movie, take a walk, call a friend, help someone out, do ANYTHING but make your disappointments and dissatisfactions some nitwit âprofessionalâsâ payday. And who knows? You just might find the most valuable bond is the one you cultivate WITH YOURSELF.
And btw, whatâs the most disconnected, disconnecting and disgusting manifestation of capitalism? Itâs the psychological and psychiatric fields, UNQUESTIONABLY â
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Only an idiot needs a âstudyâ to find out if people do better when they like the people theyâre dealing with.
So what does that make most psy-professionals? A bunch of over educated, pretentious fools who canât see themselves clearly, much less anyone else.
And donât make me gag using that infuriatingly stupid term, âtherapeutic bondâ. For crying out loud, just call it what it is: INFANTILIZATION â
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âA strong relationship makes life more meaningful – No shit Sherlock!â
Thank you, John Hoggett. I couldnât have said it better myself.
This article provides ample evidence of psychologistsâ extensive use of and dependence on intellectualized gobbledygook, or psychobabble, or, as I like to call it, intellectual masterbation. It demonstrates how the psychological field is as tedious and as meaningless as the psychiatric field.
What I find most objectionable (as well as amusingly asinine) is the extent to which this bumbling crowd of pseudo-intellectual, pseudo-compassionate, and emotionally-grifting âpsy-professionalsâ fail to see the irony in what theyâre doing, which is using other peopleâs âmeaning makingâ for their own personal money-making – and that, for me, makes the whole process of âpsychotherapyâ utterly meaninglessâand completely parasitic, (on the psychologistsâ part).
This article is a sad commentary on just how much people have been brainwashed into believing that they need to pay some idiot âprofessionalâ to find meaning in their lives – which for me, is EXACTLY what can make life seem hopelessly meaningless.
And FYI: Iâve found a heck of a lot of âmeaningâ in NOT depending on or pouring money into the pockets of some impossibly smug and incredibly stupid âpsy-professionalâ â
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And whatâs another?
Know how to kowtow â
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Steve says, âSometimes thatâs 90% of the problem – the client has had so many people telling them what to do, think, or feel that they have lost any sense of their own purpose and intentions in life. They do NOT need a therapist or psychiatrist or anyone else piling on more âshouldsâ and âshould notsâ to their already burgeoning heap of them.â
THATâS why I think âpsychotherapyâ is pure bullshit.
No one needs âa therapistâ whoâs paid to label and/or drug them. People need someone whoâll listen for free. There called FRIENDS.
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Everyone needs a positive sense of self, and those who donât often end up in âtherapyâ. But a positive âsense of selfâ is something I never found âin therapyâ; in fact, it was the opposite, which is why I have so little faith in âpsychotherapyâ. The only thing I sensed âin therapyâ was the therapist getting their âsense of selfâ AT MY EXPENSE, and in more ways than one.
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Whatâs the number one job requirement for being a âmental health professionalâ?
âLack insightâ into other points of view, especially for those you âtreatâ?
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How do I define âmental healthâ?
A world without a DSM.
A world without a âmental healthâ system.
A world without people telling others what THEY THINK âmental healthâ is supposed to be â
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To Dr.âs Angelo and Princeton,
Thank you both for taking the time to prove the following axiom: âThose who have the most to lose scream the loudest.â
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I found a great example of an âimpure religionâ:
PSYCHIATRY.
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Thank you, Fiachra.
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Thanks you, Boans, for the fascinating documentary link about Freudâs nephew Bernay.
You say, âThink of mental health as marketingâ. I totally agree. But Freud definitely got the ball rolling.
And what a pair: two bastards from the same family, both with a hankering for psychologically manipulating people and both in ways that profoundly altered the twentieth century and beyond. You canât make this stuff up.
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And Iâm not too keen on anyone drawing any conclusions about other peopleâs behavior, unless I see or experience abuse of some kind, because anything else too easily gets judgmental which then becomes abusive.
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And as for Freudâs âdreams theoryâ – what I meant to say was his ideas about the âunconsciousâ. But here again, Freud is given way too much credit, as I would bet dollars to donutâs thereâs been plenty of people either before or since that have come up their own ideas of an unconscious, and who furthermore havenât misused it, which is more than can be said for the ever-philandering, smug-assed Freud. And another thing Iâm sure of: good olâ siggy boy was undoubtedly unaware of his own rampant but âunconsciousâ misogyny â
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Correction: I AM surprised that something as unscientific as the DSM is permitted in this âscientificâ day and age. Itâs pretty flimsy stuff.
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Steve says, ââŠ.disease as opportunity to make a profit.â
Profit is whatâs behind it all! And itâs done every hour of every day, and with ONLY a diagnosisâ!
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And anotherone is right: any medical professional that has access can write a diagnosis in someoneâs medical chart and can write any diagnosis they want. And some do it maliciously. But psychiatric diagnosing on its own is a malicious act.
But the fact remains: the medical profession has always had more than its share of simon pure assholes â
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And Iâm well aware that psychiatry doesnât believe âpersonality disordersâ are a âdiseaseâ. But I object to their calling any behavior or set of personality traits a âdisorderâ. People have characteristic ways of thinking and behaving, but so what? Terms like âpersonality disorderâ are uniquely damaging to people individually and to society at large. But they give mainstream psychiatrists and their devoted allies one heck of an ego boost. And itâs no secret that psychiatryâs allied professionals suck up to the psychiatrists, BIG TIME â
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Psychiatric diagnoses should be made illegal because they can be used to unlawfully discriminate against people. They are a blatant misuse of language and medicine and are the most powerful discriminatory tools in modern society.
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Psychiatric diagnoses, and âpersonality disordersâ in particular, need to be outlawed because theyâre used to discriminate against people.
And Freudâs inventing and publicizing unflattering diagnostic terms makes him the father of psychiatric discrimination. And modern psychiatry takes psychiatric discrimination to a whole new level with its DSM.
I never could figure out why people worshipped the guy (Freud). So what if he had a âdream theoryâ? If heâd ever bothered to open a Bible heâd have seen that its characters frequently had prophetic dreams. And so did some of Shakespeareâs characters. Dreams play an integral part in a lot fictional literature and are meant to represent a real and meaningful phenomenon. So Freud doesnât deserve much credit, even if he did put a âmedicalâ spin on things. But people keep defending the son of a bitch, when all he amounted to was a misogynistic old fool.
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anotherone,
I donât like using words like ânarcissistâ or âpsychopathâ, etc. And I think a lot of people who habitually use the terms are stupid, lazy, sometimes even mean. The terms are too closely associated with psychiatry. But the behaviors are real, unfortunately. And things like psychosis, mania, or paranoia are also real. But like you, I try to call the behavior instead.
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âSymptomsâ of a âpsychiatric diagnosesâ often mask psychological abuse. And saying people have an âillness,â covers up the abuse, which makes psychiatric labels abusive.
But sometimes not feeling well just indicates overwork, or overwhelm of some sort.
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anotherone,
Thank you! I just looked up DARVO and thank goodness thereâs an acronym for abusive behavior. Itâs an acronym I actually like!
I think DARVO (deny, attack, reverse victim and offender) describes EXACTLY what happens when people are faced with mainstream psychiatrists and other mental health professionals because psychiatric diagnoses are cover ups for psychological abuse. And the âsymptomsâ arenât evidence of âillnessâ, theyâre evidence of ABUSE. But the worldâs been bamboozled by mainstream psychiatryâs use of medical-sounding words. And if the medical profession had any integrity, they wouldnât allow psychiatry to use use âdiagnosesâ. Better yet, if they had any real balls, theyâd kick psychiatry out of medicine!
And Iâm convinced that someday, the tide will turn, and mainstream psychiatrists and their colleagues will be seen for what they are, which are âenablers.â
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anotherone,
I agree 100%. And Iâm totally onboard with not using any diagnostic concept because the DSM is totally invalid. And while I believe that narcissistic abuse is real and predictable, I donât think of narcissism as a diagnostic concept. Thereâs just some very abusive people out there. And the term âdiagnostic conceptâ is so so ridiculous. Itâs just another example of how mainstream psychiatrists misuse words to talk themselves and the public into believing their diagnostic bullshit.
And yes, âAll the cluster B diagnoses obscure and mystify the psych systemâs power to enable wide-scale shunning and shaming of scared, hurt people.â This is the WORST thing about psychiatry! Itâs discriminatory and subversive which makes it a crime. But the real âcrazinessâ is that the âmental health communityâ questions if certain people are human. Itâs totally disgusting.
And the âBâ in âCluster Bâ stands for BULLSHIT â
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anotherone,
Iâm pretty sure I completely agree with you here, although Iâm not completely clear on what you said.
My take is this: I absolutely agree that people who complain about abusive people can be seen as the ones with a problem and be âdiagnosedâ, which is horrible. But this isnât anything new. A womanâs husband used to be able to call his wife âhystericalâ and have her committed, but now all you have to do is call someone âpersonality disorderedâ. And doctors donât question the term because itâs been sanctioned by the medical community.
I donât like using descriptive terms either, (narcissistic, psychopathic, sociopathic, manic, depressed, psychotic, etc.), although states, or conditions, do exist and can be profoundly âdisablingâ. The issue I have is psychiatry claiming theyâre derive biologically-based. And while I donât think anyone can deny that biology plays a role, (neurotransmitters, brain âcircuitsâ, etc,) these hypotheses donât prove the presence of any discrete biological illness.
And doctorsâ claiming people have a âmental illnessâ or âdisorderâ distracts everyone from addressing whatâs really going on in their lives. And of course, if the solution is believed to be in some pharmaceutical, it becomes a a great moneymaker. A very sick paradigm.
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The entire concept of âpersonality disorderâ is a disgrace. The entire DSM is a disgrace. And Iâm surprised, but at this same time, not surprised that using such a fraudulent resource is permitted in this âscientificâ day and age. But Iâm hoping that someday in the not-to-distant future that somehow itâll be seen for what it is, which is a tool of discrimination, and be discredited and totally thrown out.
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Iâm glad Dr. Healy mentioned people âpolluting their inner environmentâ.
Thereâs physical trauma, emotional trauma, and now thereâs chemical trauma from psychiatric drugs.
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Youâre welcome, Joanna. Watching videos on narcissistic abuse can make a world of difference, with all kinds of relationships, current or past. Best of all, they help your relationship with yourself.
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Correction:
Being labeled with Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD) is the new term for an old label, âhystericalâ, meaning that women who actually have the audacity to speak up for themselves are often seen as unacceptable by medical doctors, be they male or female.
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Being labeled with Boderline Personality Disorder (BPD) is the new version of an old conceptâthat women who actually have the audacity to speak up for themselves are in some way seen as unacceptable by doctors, be they male or female.
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Read âEgalitarianismâ in the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy, at plato.stanford.edu
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And while egalitarianism is good in theory, putting it into practice is something else, especially in todayâs complex world.
And anyone who thinks they can change human nature has a hell of a lot to learn â
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I think Dr. Shields and her colleagues need to read something I found when looking up people vs human:
âDifference between person and humanâ at differencebetween.info –
âThe term person refers to a being that consists of life and a soul, and has the capability of conscious thought, i.e. is a sentient being. A human, on the other hand, is described as part of the Homo sapiens sapiensâŠthe main difference between the two terms is that âhumanâ is the scientific term and person is a philosophical one used to describe a human beingâŠa human is a biological categorization of a beingâŠHowever, the term âpersonâ is much more complexâŠâ
To me, these definitions help clarify why no one should look to mainstream psychiatry for help with emotional, psychological, or spiritual concerns. And although people in extreme states can benefit from brief use of psychotropic drugs, it ought not to be looked at as a life sentence.
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Check out âPower, Paternalism, and Psychiatry: Authoritarian versus libertarian psychiatry.â by Mark L. Ruffalo, M.S.W., D.Psa. at psychologytoday.com
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Correction: âI think medical schools turn narcissistically-inclined people into sadists, depending on the brutality of the training, and how MEAN (not âkindâ) they were to begin with.â
Some people think medicine attracts people with psychopathic traits.
I didnât need anyone to tell me that.
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Check out âPower, Paternalism, and Psychiatry, Authoritarian versus libertarian psychiatry.
Itâs at psychologytoday.com
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Steve says, âI think authoritarianism is the real enemyâŠâ
Steve is right. Authoritarianism is the real enemy. But I think authoritarianism happens a lot more in communism and socialism than in capitalism. But thatâs not to say capitalism doesnât have some serious problems. But no matter what system decides the allocation of resources, power and greed will always be there, even in socialism, which to me is not only authoritarian, but extremely sanctimonious.
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And anotherone is right when saying, âI think medical training encourages some inhumane behaviorâ, and mentions a âmisguided or sadistic med studentâŠâ. Thereâs always plenty of those to go around.
I think medical school takes narcissistically-inclined people and turns some into semi-sadists, or maybe even full-blown sadists, depending on how brutal the training or how kind they were to begin with. But either way, this can be especially hard for women, who still have a tendency to be viewed as âhystericalâ by the medical community, even though theyâre no longer supposed to use that word.
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Joanna,
You might start with something from âRelationship Recovery: Narcissistic Projection Explainedâ. I found it on YouTube. Just type emotionalabusecoach.com in the search bar. Hope it helps.
Birdsong
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Steve says, âIt seems there is a built-in dehumanization process going on which canât be explained by individuals being âmisguidedâ nor altered by a bit of sensitivity training.â
This is what concerns me most about Dr. Shields. And Iâm uneasy as to just how deep Dr. Shields is willing to go, which has to be much more than having patients fill out a questionnaire. Otherwise, her efforts arenât much more than window-dressing.
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The ACA ought to be called the NSA, the ânot-so-affordableâ health care act.
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Definitions for Paternalism:
– the system, principle, or practice of managing or governing individuals, businesses, nations, etc., in an outwardly benevolent, but often condescending and controlling way
– the policy or practice on the part of people in positions of authority of restricting the freedom and responsibilities of those subordinate to them in the subordinatesâ supposed best interest
Check this out: âPaternalism (Standard Encyclopedia of Philosophy) plato.stanford.edu./entries/paternalism
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Joanna,
You mentioned being in a relationship with someone who took advantage of you. Iâm very sorry this happened to you.
It sounds to me like you experienced some serious narcissistic abuse, which can be devastating in many ways.
You might try watching some videos on narcissistic abuse. Iâve found many to be remarkably helpful.
Take care,
Birdsong
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What do socialism and communism have in common with mainstream psychiatry?
PATERNALISM â
âIs Paternalism the New Socialism?â, medium.com –
âSocialism: Good or Bad?â sites.psu.edu –
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And the Affordable Care Act under President Obama enacted in 2010
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Check out this excellent YouTube video:
âPsychotherapists Who Are Less Healthy Than Their Clientsâ, by Daniel Mackler
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Even cows know whatâs good for them:
Watch âCows Love the Harmonica #4â, on YouTube.
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anotherone says, âIn general, I have found the biggest obstacle to trauma treatment are untrustworthy practitioners.â
Trauma is the elephant in the room. And itâs the unrecognized reason why most people end up in a psychiatric hospital, and NOT some arbitrary psychiatric diagnosis, the receiving of which often causes more trauma. And what does this mean? That mainstream psychiatry creates and perpetuates trauma, especially when experienced in a coercive setting.
Mainstream psychiatry doesnât treat trauma, it CREATES trauma, and PERPETUATES trauma, with its diagnoses and drugs, a simple but horrible fact that escapes most people, especially mainstream psychiatrists.
And stigma is the other elephant in the room. Mainstream psychiatry creates stigma with its labels. And if psychiatrists feel stigmatized for practicing psychiatry, then maybe thatâs a good thing, because maybe it means theyâre getting a taste of their own medicine, meaning maybe the public is letting them know theyâre becoming better informed about psychiatryâs diagnostic and pharmaceutical shenanigans and showing their disgust.
I looked up the definition for stigma and it means a mark of disgrace.
Is it a disgrace to suffer emotional pain?
NO. So the patientsâ stigma IS NOT deserved.
Is it a disgrace to attach damaging labels on people?
YES. So the psychiatristsâ stigma IS deserved.
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Correction: POWER IMBALANCE is TWO words, but itâs singularly damaging dynamic â
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I can sum up the problem with psychiatry in one word:
POWER IMBALANCE â
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Thank you, Joanna.
And I truly appreciate reading your exceptionally perceptive comments.
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Whatâs most wrong with mainstream psychiatry is mainstream psychiatry, a biased system of ego, lies, conjecture and GREED –
Biased = prejudice of professionals in favor of themselves and against their patients
Ego = mainstream psychiatristsâ generally inflated opinion of themselves and their abilities
Lies = their garbage âdiagnosesâ and harmful prescriptions
Conjecture = their unproven belief in âchronicâ conditions
GREED = their unconscious motivation for doing what they do
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Worth a glimpse: Gallery: âWhy Nixon Created the EPAâ,
Alexis C. Madrigal, from The Atlantic,
Worth another glimpse: âThe Nixon plan: The forgotten national catastrophic health insurance plan could still be a modelâ by Ed Dolan from salon.com
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Mindfulness and meditation are great, and long as theyâre freely chosen and done for the right reasons. But the problem with these things nowadays is that people are unconsciously (or consciously) using them as way to distract others from whatâs really bothering them.
And hereâs their favorite song:
One agenda, two agenda, three agenda, FOUR!
Five agenda, six agenda, seven agenda, MORE!
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And itâs not just the psychiatrists who have the upper hand â so do the psychologists and related psy professionals. Itâs a sick paradigm that creates even sicker relationship dynamics. And it remains in place because not enough people bother to question the profoundly unhealthy hierarchy that controls it.
And the pharmaceutical industry is just along for the ride â
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And universities can terminate tenured faculty members by FALSELY claiming theyâre incompetent (for voicing unpopular opinions).
Thereâs people that are paid to find a way to bend the rules. Theyâre called lawyers. And I have nothing against ethical lawyers. So while a university administration may not have strong legal grounds to terminate a tenured professor, they have the financial resources to keep things in legal limbo for as long as it takes to get someone to resign, meaning legally fighting the situation could bankrupt the tenured professor.
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Van Scnassin says, âTo a large degree, the U.S. is a socialist nation. Most of our economy is regulated, inspected by, and controlled through our government.â
Very true, and in many ways, this is all to the good. Take social security, enacted in 1935 by President Roosevelt, and the many other subsequent social and environmental programs enacted since then, like the Medicare and Medicaid act signed into law by President Lyndon B. Johnson in 1965, and National Environmental Program Act in 1970 which Richard Nixon helped create.
Private enterprise is not all bad, and centralized government is not all good.
A video worth watching: âThomas Sowell – – Basic Economicsâ, from the Hoover Institution
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Thank you anotherone! Iâm very grateful for your excellent recommendation –
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All of the injustices of psychiatry start with the fact that the psychiatrists have the upper hand, both in the âtherapeuticâ relationship and in society at large, a dehumanization put in place by those with the most power and for reasons that benefit those with the most power. Itâs where all the trouble starts and whatâs most wrong with psychiatry.
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And it is disturbing that Dr. Shields seems to have an apologetic tone when criticizing her colleagues, since theyâre the ones who need to be held to account, and ESPECIALLY since they have more power than their patients. Professionals have the advantage, and patients are âlow man on the totem poleâ, and thatâs why I think the power imbalance is so destructive. Itâs totally unfair and makes me wonder whose side Dr. Shields is really on â
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KateL says, âFrom first hand experience, I can say that Yaleâs self constructed image of wokeness is in many ways a facadeâ.
Worth reading: âWokeness Not Only Divides, It Distractsâ, aero magazine.com, âThe Essence of Wokenessâ, psychology.com
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And universities can terminate tenured faculty by claiming theyâre incompetent (for speaking unpopular opinions) meaning their academic freedom has limits.
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Steve says, ââŠI do see a need for a more blunt assessment as to why her (Dr. Shields) colleagues are not receptive to her observations.â
And, âThis (the medical culture) is ingrained, systematic behavior that is encouraged and enforced by those in charge of the system, and needs to be recognized as being intentional and enforced, such that any (such as her) who challenge the dominant narrative will be punishedâŠ.butâŠI see no reason not to point out this inconsistency, as long as we do it as respectfully as we can.â
Thank you for making these points.
Tenured or not, anyone confronting psychiatry has to walk a fine line, meaning one might be wise to think of the phrase, âSpeak Softly and Carry a Big Stick, You Will Go Farâ, medium.com/betterism/speak-softly-, and âcan a tenured faculty member be fired?â higheredprofessor.com
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A video, â The Healing Power of Mindfulnessâ – Jon Kabat-Zin. Thereâs some funny but profound moments (1:44:40 – 1:49:00) when psychiatric resident in the audience tells Dr. Kabat-Zin about how her attending psychiatrists and faculty arenât open to anything like meditation. And Dr. Kabat-Zinâs response is pointedly funny, and the audience applauds and cracks up!
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Steve,
I agree 100 % with your statement, âIt boggles the mind that anyone who has the vaguest comprehension of what people are suffering from and what they need would have to have a discussion, let alone an argument, about whether treating their patients âlike a human beingâ is a good idea!!!!â
Exactly. But this way of thinking happens because psychiatrists, like other doctors, are trained to think this way, as these are the prevailing theories (propaganda) currently taught in medical schools. But this is not right. And itâs the reason people needing help for issues of the spirit shouldnât be seeing a psychiatrist. And itâs a matter that should no longer be ignored.
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Steve,
I agree with you 100%. It never made any sense to me to have people go to a medical doctor for matters of the heart and soul, and Iâve always thought that doing so is not merely inappropriate, itâs incredibly inhumane. And I agree that other types of doctors cause a lot of damage treating people as objects, and Iâve always felt this way. So I am in no way excusing callous behavior from anyone.
I am not unaware of, nor do I disagree with what you say about the systemic nature of these critically important issues, which are put in place and maintained by those in power. Not at all. I have sensed this for many years and am troubled by how insidiously corrosive and damaging it is.
I also find it VERY bizarre that while the world of physical health is making an effort to alter this attitude, our âmental health professionalsâ are arguing to continue it. I have for a long time been very upset about this state of affairs.
And the fact that Dr. Shields has sympathy towards psychiatrists and staff for feeling stigmatized is very troubling. I saw it as a huge red flag. And unless she holds alternative ideas to mainstream psychiatry, her efforts are hollow.
That being said, I think establishing a reasonably cooperative relationship is the way to proceed, but thatâs not to be confused with brown-nosing, which is why knowing and understanding the nuances of how to deal with people is so crucial in situations where people are on opposite sides of the fence. And there is a way to diplomatically offer radical ideas without unduly alienating people. But whether or not Dr. Shields holds radical ideas and is willing and able to implement them remains to be seen.
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Dr. Shields says âI am afraid right now, thereâs not an awareness of the issue, the true issues, and that weâre still debating reality. Is reality, reality? Should we even treat psychiatric patients as people? Thatâs the debate that Iâve been hearing, and thatâs unfortunate. I would love for us to to get to the point where we agree these are humans, and the way weâve been operating our mental health care treatment system has been absolutely unacceptable.â
I was wracking my brain trying to figure out how seemingly intelligent, educated people could even think, much less ask, the question, âare psychiatric patients people?â, and I realized that context might have something to do with it. Meaning medically trained people are trained to look for physical ailments, and therefore often overlook the person in front of them. For instance, itâs not a big deal if an oncologist doesnât focus primarily on the individual; the issue at hand is cancer. So, if I think the doctor is an insensitive jerk, it doesnât matter as much if s/he isnât the most sensitive. But emotionally intimate and psychologically challenging problems are different.
And as offensive as it is, I think the question of whether or not âpsychiatric patients are peopleâ is the most important one raised in this article. (Of course, itâs not a revelation to those whoâve been harmed by the system. And the fact that this question is even being raised seems, at first glance, to be beyond outrageous.) But the point Iâm trying to make is this: all of the harms perpetrated by psychiatrists in the name of âmental healthâ are caused because they DONâT see mental patients as people, they only see pathology, or âdiseaseâ, like an oncologist sees cancer. But this doesnât excuse psychiatrists for not seeing patients as people. And the situation is even more troubling in psychiatry because in psychiatry the issues are related to emotional states and perceptions of reality, the very things which make us human.
There was a time not so long ago when peopleâs emotional reactions were seen and âtreatedâ as what they really are: situational, transitory, as natural responses to distressing circumstances or events, and not as chronic or âepisodicâ biological illnesses. But as soon as the DSM lll was published and Prozac came to market, everything changed, and for reasons that are not so obvious to most people, including psychiatrists.
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Julia Lejeune describes Morgan Shields as âone of the few mental health policy researchers who focuses on quality of care and issues of coercion within inpatient psychiatry. Her research exposes how current healthcare settings are influenced by power imbalances, profit structures and organizational priorities that are fundamentally misaligned with the human needs of patients.â
Dr. Shields herself says, âI do not want to just reiterate that the current mainstream argument that we need more psychiatric beds, thatâs the loudest argument right now, I have a lot of issues with it.
But itâs most important that people really be clear-eyed and not forget that we do operate in a market-based system. If you want a provider organization to be incentivized to add more beds or open new psychiatric facilities, ask yourself what you think some of the unintended consequences might be.
For some reason, we view psychiatric care as if itâs a bunch of benevolent people. We seem to be able to be critical as a society of health care in general and then also other consumer goods like shoes and clothing and exploitation of the labor force and all that. But for some reason, with mental health care, it seems like if you even bring up this critique, itâs almost as though people get offended or itâs too much to process.
I would just ask people to have some appreciation for it being a complex issue and potentially that there are issues of profiteering and exploitation of patients.â
It sounds like Dr. Shields has the right ideas and framework to make positive changes.
And I commend her or anyone else who has the guts to take on the eight-hundred-pound gorilla that is inpatient-coercive psychiatry â
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âI am wondering if she means only professionals or actually the society in generalâŠâ
Are you referring to me, Joanna? And which would you prefer?
The professionals or society in general?
At the present moment I have all I can handle responding to your comments, many of which sound as though youâre trying to diminish most of what I say.
Disagreement is fine. Disparagement is not. And offending people youâve been tasked to work with does not build bridges.
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Joanna says, âDr. Shields seems to be really afraid of being labeled as âanti-psychiatristâ, and of getting into conflict with other people, including psychiatrists.â
She has every right and reason to be afraid, if she is, as having such fears is not unreasonable, because being labeled as such would have prevented her from being hired in the first place and could result in her losing her position, preventing her from helping anyone.
Confronting conflict and controversy in a field as impenetrable as psychiatry takes an enormous amount of tact and skillful maneuvering. And Iâm afraid if she does take on a full-frontal attack too soon, sheâll be decidedly outgunned â
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Joanna says, âI am wondering what she actually thinks about psychiatric diagnoses, about psychiatric drugs, or forcible drugging or ECT. Unfortunately she talks at length and in great detail about things that are not really
important.â
I also wonder what she thinks of these things, but I donât think it at all unimportant to want to give psychiatric in-patients a voice. In fact, I happen to think itâs the most important thing.
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Joanna,
I agree itâs imperative to publish research if it shows the negative impacts of neuroleptics, or of ECT on the brain, and on the links between traumatic experience and hearing voices, etc., and I think itâs outrageous if it hasnât been published already. But Iâm addressing the issue being addressed in this article, which by its title is, âBreaking Academiaâs Silence on Inpatient PsychiatryâŠâ And I donât need any researcher to tell me about the adverse effects of any psychiatric drug or any psychiatric procedure, because Iâve experienced some of the WORST effects myself which were life-altering and lasted FOR YEARS, and is the reason I have no respect for any them. But even before my own experience, I didnât need âresearchâ to convince me of anything, because I have ALWAYS believed the best âresearchâ is the testimony from anecdotal evidence â
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Joanna says, âI think there is no reason to assume that we should be happy only because an academic has decided to do research on the experiences of patients in mental hospitals. Such research can be conducted from various perspectives, including perspectives which obfuscate the nature of the system and reinforce biopsychiatry instead of challenging it.â
Joanna, you are absolutely correct. However, it wasnât my intention that âwe should be happyâ about anything. All I meant to say is that Iâm guardedly optimistic. And while Dr. Shieldsâ speaking in general terms wasnât what I wanted to hear, a public interview may not be the wisest place for her to express her goals more specifically at this time.
And regarding the âpatient experience measurementâ. Yes, it might very well be just another Band-Aid on an open wound. But only time will tell.
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Joanna says, âI donât think that researchers should adapt their approach to the expectations of the psych world. Why should psychiatrists be placated and be reassured?â
This isnât what Iâm saying. But I am saying you have to meet people where theyâre at. And diplomacy doesnât mean placating. But if you think this is what Dr. Shields is doing, you may be right.
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Youâre most welcome, KateL
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Joanna says ââŠis Dr. Shields really taking on coercive psychiatry?â
I donât know. But I certainly hope so.
âIs she actually saying anything which might shock or anger psychiatrists?â
I donât know. But I do know that approaching people with guns a-blazing is an easy way to get terminated.
âBut it is impossible to take on oppressive systems if one is determined to be âniceâ and to avoid upsetting people who oppress othersâŠâ
I donât know that Dr. Shields is determined to be âniceâ. But I do I think sheâs determined to tread carefully in a environment which could easily backfire if sheâs not careful about upsetting others. But that doesnât mean not upsetting others. It means picking your battles. And she just got her foot in the door, which is no small feat. And everyone everywhere has to pick their battles to get anything done, or else risk being shown the door.
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I have no respect for psychiatric academics or their research.
But at least Dr. Shields is looking at the situation.
And what else do you suggest when, âMost academics donât challenge the powers that beâ and âonly some academics are independent thinkersâ?
Itâs possible that Dr. Shields may not be in line with your concerns. But interviews have time constraints.
Iâm not overly optimistic at all. I think thereâs every chance sheâs not onboard with the things you mentioned. But I believe in giving people a chance, which is more than the psych industry does.
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anotherone says, âAnyone who profits from the psych field needs to integrate the reality of the psychiatized into every tenant of their workâŠand sufficiently respond to the grave concernsâŠâ
I hope Dr. Shields is able and willing to to this.
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The âprofessionalsâ lack insight more than anyone as they fail to see how they exploit peopleâs misfortunes. And this is true no matter how they try to justify it.
And without their bullshit rigamarole, most people find ways of getting better ON THEIR OWN –
And the reason this isnât âreportedâ is because most people donât participate in their stupid, biased, self-serving âstudiesâ –
I didnât enjoy the thought of having my angst pay for some asshole âprofessionalâsâ fancy vacation, inflated mortgage, or overpriced student loans. I think that showed a certain amount of âinsightâ â
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Trishna is right. The absence of love is at the heart of a lot of psychic distress.
So what is love?
Bottom line: itâs when âThey (those who care about you)âŠ.hold a loving mirror towards us and help us to tolerate the reflection. Itâs pretty much the most beautiful thing in the universe.â
But, âWeâve opted to wash our hands of the issue and handed responsibility for the same to the professionalsâthe scientists, the psychiatrists, the pharmaceutical industryâas though they could possibly create a solution for the absence of love through their pills.â
The only thing Trishna didnât mention was psychotherapy. I donât think charging money for holding a mirror is very loving. And thereâs certainly NO love in handing out psychiatric diagnoses, which are the DISGUSTING manifestations of profoundly sick minds.
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KateL,
Thatâs the tragedy and injustice of it all. But at least now with the internet thereâs a greater chance for things to change.
And my understanding is that profound change starts quietly at bottom and slowly filters upward, kind of like a reverse âtrickle downâ. And the powers that be are always the last to find out, meaning theyâre usually caught by surprise with their pants down. And for some reason, I think itâs worth waiting for â
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âWokenessâ is mean-spirited: selfish, judgmental, short-sighted, hate-filled HYPOCRISY, which makes it devoid of BASIC HUMAN DECENCY â
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I got it backwards: the eastern ethos is soaked in greed and cloaked with snobbery â
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Google this and weep: âDonât let your child see a psychiatrist. Ever.â, and read what happened to Roberta. Itâs from âJon Rappoportâs Blogâ â
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KateL says, âAs an employee, I was well aware that I was viewed as being eminently replaceable. I remember being told, âyouâre just a pair of hands,â and, âyou need to remember, youâre not a real person here.â
And neither are the students.
Totally hypocritical and totally disgusting. But THATâS what âwokenessâ amounts to: judgmental, hypocritical, hate-filled, and glorified self-pity.
This shows how morally bankrupt the eastern establishment can be. Itâs all about image, ego and competition, and success at any cost. Theyâre convinced of their moral superiority, but all it is is a twisted, secular version of the prosperity gospel.
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Our feelings of worth as human beings wasnât a concern in the university-run experimental school, but they were in the religiously affiliated school; however, the religion classes werenât focused on a single belief system, they were focused on our responses to issues of personal and social morality, and our individual responses, however they differed, were always respected, which gave students a sense of being heard and respected, that led to feelings of self respect and belonging.
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Correction:
– Khan, not, âKahnâ –
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The forces of human nature amount to one thing, imo: selfishness, which includes greed and desire for power and control. I think most bad things spring from selfishness.
I was fortunate enough to attend a school in the eighth grade where the focus was on respecting the dignity of ourselves and others. It was a private school with a loose religious affiliation. It was a huge relief after being subjected to four years of an experimental school run by a university. And the only good thing about that was the students didnât receive grades, only parent-teacher conferences. But the downside was that it got too experimental and neglected to adequately teach basic math skills like long division, mixed fractions and percents. I was there for four years and was never taught these things, so I wasnât prepared to for the seventh grade. Most of the teachers in the experimental school were inexperienced graduate students more interested in testing their experiments, and werenât concerned with students feeling good about themselves and being respectful towards each other.
Our worth as human beings wasnât in focus as it was in the quasi-religious school. But Iâm not endorsing religion. I think itâs a matter of teaching respect, not imposing religious beliefs.
My experiences taught me that the most important thing is an environment of mutual respect, and not using complicated techniques for basic math concepts, and especially not abstract concepts young minds arenât ready for. And attempting to do so is nothing less than selfish.
Circling back to my eighth grade experience: a teacher took the time to tutor me, without being asked, as according to her I was three years behind in math. So all Iâve got to say now about the school system is thank goodness for the Kahn Academy â
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In point number one Dr. Paska says, âAs Carl Jung noted, our suffering comes from the unseen and unfelt parts of our psyche.â
This was Freudâs hypothesis. And I think itâs the only reasonable thing he ever said.
But it has always been my sense that an existence of an unconscious and how it affects us has always been part of peopleâs consciousness, going back to antiquity, as I found this kind of awareness while reading myths of from ancient cultures, or biblical stories and proverbs from different faiths, and especially from reading some of literatureâs great classics. Indeed, the wisest characters would invariably make devastatingly perceptive comments regarding peopleâs motivations and suffering, with some of these coming from the youngest and simplest of characters.
And from this what do I extrapolate?
That the scientific paradigm is useless in matters of soul and psyche, as perception and wisdom are not scientific.
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KateL says, âThe umbrella points in the new paradigm are great, but did society ever not know these things to be true?â
My distant memory tells me that this was more the way things used to be looked at before the DSM lll was published. But then everything changed. And itâs worth noting that before DSM lll, it was illegal to advertise pharmaceuticals to the general public through the television. It would seem the lobbyists did their job and then some.
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Joanna, everything you say is true, but I hope Dr. Shields is able to make some positive changes.
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Joanna,
Yes! The academics should be much more critical of psychiatry and the psychiatric system. But from what Iâve been able to surmise, thinking critically about anything , much less psychiatry, isnât exactly the most shining quality of academia these days. And maybe it never was. My impression is that things in that arena are very inflexible, as people whoâve gotten to any level of authority have egos and reputations to protect, and are therefore easily threatened by new ideas.
That being said, it was very reassuring to read the critically important points youâve made. And you do this in a remarkably clear and cogent way. And my impressions are that most people working in the psych-field arenât capable of sensing the nuances youâve so deftly mentioned.
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Kate,
I realize thereâs nothing as painful as having a child who hates you. But time may soften his heart.
My heart goes out to you and your son –
Birdsong
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Joanna,
I understand and absolutely agree with what you say about researchers focusing on the good intentions (?) and people not understanding the nature of the system. But I donât know of any other way to make progress. In fact, I donât expect the researchers or any other psych professionals to make meaningful changes for the very reasons youâve stated, as I think radical change can only happen from the outside because outsiders donât have a vested interest in the system. But in the meantime, I hope Dr. Shieldâs initiatives can help ease some of the burdens of those trapped in the system. And things are so dire right now that if Dr. Shields can accomplish fifty percent of her objectives, things will have come a long way. And I hope she can help make some wonderful things start to happen.
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Joanna,
I totally agree with you, as Dr. Shields mild critique bothered me too, and her tippy-toeing around the âanti-psychiatryâ label was disconcerting. But I donât think the psych world is ready for a radical approach.
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Kate,
Iâm so sorry about whatâs happened to you. What youâve described is criminal.
Have you tried integrated medicine? Or maybe acupuncture? Iâve heard good things about integrated medicine somewhere on MIA, but I canât remember where. Iâve found acupuncture very helpful.
Family damage can be even more painful. But try and remember that itâs NOT your fault. And I hope someday your son realizes what a worthwhile person you are.
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Joanna,
Forgetting earlier academic research critical of psychiatry wasnât what I meant. I meant you have to start with people willing to address the situation.
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And Iâm not surprised that the Ivy Leagues are the slowest to institute more humane mental health policies for students. But what does anyone expect from such lofty institutions soaked in snobbery and polished with greed? Where the most important thing to the school is the schoolâs reputation? It the cold-blooded Eastern Ethos in action, thatâs for sure. And it always seemed incongruous to me how these ârarified centers of learningâ can act so barbarically. But maybe itâs one of the ways they get away with charging such high tuition.
One lesson worth learning: college is big business, and big business doesnât care about YOU. And no college is worth killing yourself over. EVER.
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Iâm glad this story is published in a widely-read newspaper, as more publicity will let college-bound students know the harsh realities of not only college life, but the realities of life in general.
If students need counseling, they should get itâpromptly, and the sessions need to be kept private. But I hope the increase in demand for counseling services doesnât lead to more people being drugged.
Please read this and cry: blog.nomorefakenews.com/dontletyourchildseeapsychiatrists.ever and scroll down to the story of âRobertaâ.
Itâs from Dr. Bregginâs book, âToxic Psychiatryâ
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I bet the psychiatrist shredded your records.
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Stevie mentions âcapitalism on steroidsâ.
I would agree.
I think capitalism capitalizes on the worst in human nature. But the same happens in socialism and communism. You confront human nature wherever you go.
And Iâm sick of hearing about them. Dump all three and come up with something new. And dump psychiatry while youâre at it.
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Psychiatry has its bases covered.
If they canât kill ya one way, they try another.
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Smiley staged photos.
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Iâm glad you tried to make a difference. But challenging school systems is often next to impossible. And individual schools tend to be very parochial.
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Talking children out of their negative feelings is manipulative and controlling, which is passive aggressive, which makes it a subtle form bullying.
âItâs âThe Lord of the Fliesâ in reverse, or just call it âGroupthink Goes To Kindergartenâ, as it takes âsleep trainingâ for infants straight from the cradle and into the classroom â
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And Iâm glad she has the guts to try it in whatâs already a hostile environment.
And who else is putting themselves in a position to actively take on coercive psychiatry? What sheâs attempting is long overdue.
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Talking children out of their negative feelings is manipulative. But the little boy knew what he needed, which was to process his feelings, which was why he asked to go to the hallway. And he was begging to call his mom! And they have the nerve to call this âThe Nurtured Heartâ?
As I read this article I got the sense I was reading a pr piece. Very slick, especially with the staged photos.
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Teaching performative virtue signaling teaches kids to alienate themselves from themselves.
Yes, thereâs a way to control kids without drugs. Itâs called psychological manipulation, which is a subtle form of bullying, which is exactly what theyâre doing.
Under the hood itâs more of the same, but this time around, theyâre actually teaching kids HOW to be the teacherâs pet –
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KateL,
The day I stopped caring about being taken seriously by professionals was the day I started living again.
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anotherone says, ââŠ.the pathology of psychiatry has been peer-reviewed.â
Psychiatry IS pathology!!!
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Thereâs good and bad in capitalism. And psychiatry is its worst manifestation.
Thereâs good and bad in communism. And psychiatry is its worst manifestation.
Thereâs good and bad in socialism. And psychiatry is its worst manifestation.
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Why is it that some of the worst people are the most religious and some of the kindest people are capitalists? Or socialists? Or communists?
But psychiatry stinks anywhere you find it, hands down.
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anotherone says, âTo the unconsciously myopic: I think rigid thinking and unencumbered ego are mandatory to snag the requisite degreesâŠâ
Thank you! Itâs what Iâd sensed for a long time. And I didnât know there was a word for it: bulverism. And get this: I once saw a psychiatrist who said psychiatrists are trained to not believe what their patients tell them. I was shocked to hear this, but again, itâs what Iâd sensed. To use his words, âWhat you think happened didnât really happen, it was just your perception of what happened,â which horrifies me to this day. But I later learned Freud had a lot to do with this unholy way of thinking, which makes him the greatest gaslighter of all time.
And regarding bulverism: I donât think it matters what kind of psy degree someone has, as theyâre all doing the same thing, imo. So what does that make them? A bunch of âbulverisorsâ, straight from the school of bulverism.
And thank you for your words of welcome. Theyâre much appreciated.
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What Steve says is true, no matter psychiatryâs brainless âchecklistsâ –
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Steve says, âI just donât know what the better plan is. I think weâll have to invent it as we go along.â
I like that approach, as having just one set of political blowhards running the show gets things into worse trouble.
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Rebecca says, âIâm so tired of this behaviorism crap.â
That makes two of us. And itâs no coincidence that it reminds you of DBT, because behaviorism crap is pretty much all the all the psychology field amounts to. It just thinks up new names for manipulation and control.
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I totally agree that traditional schools are an unhealthy place for young kids. And no, I hadnât heard of Mr. Gatto.
But thank you. I just googled âGattoâ and like what I found.
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Yes, I agree. But you have to start somewhere. And at least sheâs honest about what sheâs hearing. And I donât sense she shares this attitude. At least I hope she doesnât. And while it sickened me to read that her colleagues think this way, it didnât surprised me.
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Shunning and shaming are meant to be harmful.
This is evil intent.
Avoidance is not shunning; itâs self-protection and self-preservation. This is not evil intent.
And prisons arenât meant to destroy human beings; theyâre built to to protect society.
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Joanna,
I get what you mean, but I still think Dr. Shields deserves a lot of respect. Life isnât perfect and neither is she. But I think sheâs doing a remarkable job with the cards sheâs been dealt, and I donât believe in waiting for the second coming of Christ.
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I wonder if these educators realize that all theyâre teaching is how to be a people pleaser. That sitting in the âGreatness Chairâ is more important than feeling, naming, and understanding oneâs negative feelings. It sounds to me like they havenât honestly looked at their own feelings. Maybe they should create an activity where the kids get to draw or make masks of their âbadâ feelings, instead of manipulating them into thinking âeverything is okay!â. Theyâre teaching kids to gaslight themselves –
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And I hope Dr. Shields doesnât get âwined and dinedâ (psychiatrically speaking) so she ends up sleeping with the enemy.
Itâs happens to some of the best â
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LOVE the meds bottle graphic â
TAKE 2 TABLETS BY
MOUTH EVERY DAY
FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE.
AS INDICATED FOR POWER, CONTROL,
AND MANIPULATION
UNLIMITED REFILLS EXP. 1992
BLACK BOX WARNING: MAY CAUSE STIGMA
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Nijinsky says, âSocial media is extremely predatory.â
So is psychiatry.
ââŠand even many therapists know how to create an âatmosphereâ, and con you into thinking itâs salvation.â
Thatâs pretty much all they know.
I never joined Facebook, nor have I ever visited it. But I sensed what was coming. So I knew I wouldnât be missing a thing.
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First it was âThe Stepford Wivesâ, and now itâs âThe Stepford Childrenâ, meaning youâre only teaching them to be submissive, docile, and conforming.
Kids need a safe place to express their negative feelings, but somehow I donât think this is the place â
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On the surface, this looks great, but overemphasizing positivity creates confusion and self-rejection for the child, especially when the only alternative is performative virtue to get pats on the head. Talking children out of their negative feelings is a subtle form of manipulation and control, and doesnât teach them to process their negative feelings.
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Unless youâre willing to completely reject the automatic, ritualistic diagnosing and drugging of human behavior, youâre only perpetuating the very system of bias and punishment you claim to reject.
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Steve says, âProving that people have issues doesnât prove they have medical problems, and CERTAINLY doesnât prove that drugs are the answer.â
And psychiatrists who refuse to acknowledge this are proving they have no integrity, which makes them grand mal narcissists, and theyâre being grand mal is the only thing medical about psychiatry
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Steve says, âIt (the medicalization of the DSM) had to do with psychiatryâs bid for domination over less expensive and frankly more effective (though the bar is VERY low) therapeutic approaches that were threatening to take away their client base.â
This isnât medicine. Itâs GREED â
And I heard this happened after the allied psy-professionals were finally permitted to work without a psychiatristâs supervision, which caused psychiatrists to panic â
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Joanna,
I read your all your comments regarding Dr. Shields, and I agree with all of them. That being said, I still consider her light years ahead of most the professionals in the field. And people enduring the grim realities of forced treatment need all the help they can get.
But if she reads your comments, I hope she takes them VERY seriously.
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Children âact outâ or âmisbehaveâ because they lack the cognitive and verbal abilities to express their frustrations. Theyâre just being kids. But adults who engage children in age-inappropriate concepts are creating psychological power struggles, which makes the adults card-carrying pieces of shit.
So how do you teach children respect? By treating them with respect. And children instinctively know this and eventually respond in kind.
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bart says, âNo it isnât (violent). Avoiding someone isnât threatening them with bodily harm.â
Shaming and shunning ARE violent. But that doesnât mean not avoiding abusive people, or that criminal behavior not be dealt with appropriately.
I recommend googling âdifferent types of violenceâ and tapping on the wellnessbeam.org link. It lists TEN types of violence. Or tap on âThe Practice of Shunning and Its Consequencesâ from sedaa.org. You just might learn something.
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True religion is about caring for people, and capitalism is about making a profit.
And some of the worst people in the world are the most religious, and some of the kindest are capitalists –
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Nijinsky says, âCapitalism WANTS you to see it as a disease.â
Yes. And we have psychiatry to thank for that, something that Steve explains at length in an earlier post in these comments.
Itâs a kind of sick synergy, what happened among psychiatrists, the drug and insurance companies, like a dirty âone hand washes the otherâ type of thing: what is good for psychiatrists is good for capitalism, and what was good for capitalism (drug companies) is good for psychiatrists.
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bart,
As for comparing religions, you might like what I found when googling salvation from comparativereligion.com. Itâs pretty long, so I started with going to the conclusion first.
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bart,
I googled âthe purpose of religionâ and found this from verywellmind.com: âWhat Is Religion? The Psychology of Why People Believeâ.
I thought you might find it interesting.
And I agree with your definition of unspotted, meaning I also think itâs important to not place material values over spiritual ones, although I donât think believing in a supernatural being is necessary to do this. But if believing in God helps someone, thatâs fine with me. So while Iâm not necessarily a believer in a particular god, I try to be a believer in good.
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bart –
I forgot to answer your question as to what I would recommend.
I donât know that I know enough about anything to recommend anything other than what youâre doing already, which seems to be exploring or searching for ideas and answers that make sense to you.
But on second thought, I do recommend trying to have an open mind, because while this can make things more challenging, it also might help make your efforts more fruitful. But only you can be the judge of that.
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Bart says, âUnspotted, to me, means to not buy into a notion that I can find peace and wholeness through acquiring things or achieving more than the next guy, or that my life consists of externals. My relationship with God is all that matters.â
I think your definition of âunspottedâ is a basic tenet of (all?) major religions.
I looked up a definition for religion and picked out this one from Britannica: human beingsâ relation to that which they regard as holy, sacred, absolute, spiritual, divine, or worthy of special reverence. It is also commonly regarded as consisting of the way people deal with ultimate concerns about their lives and their fate after death. In many traditions, this relation and these concerns are expressed in terms of oneâs relationship with or attitude toward gods or spirits; in more humanistic or naturalistic forms of religion, they are expressed in terms of oneâs relationship with or attitudes toward the broader human community or the natural worldâŠ
I think organized religions do a lot of good, but too often their message or purpose gets lost in dogma. I donât care if someone is religious or not, or whether or not they have a belief in a supernatural being. What matters to me are their attitudes toward and treatment of others, which I hope are grounded in respect, compassion, kindness, honesty and trustworthiness.
But this is where things get tricky, because the values of religion or spirituality run counter to the goals of capitalism. But some people believe capitalism is the most moral of economic systems because (according to them) its goal is to create wealth and prosperity for all and is completely voluntary, which is why itâs referred to as the free market economy.
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Thank you for mentioning âpostpartum depressionâ. It brings into focus whatâs most wrong in this over-capitalized culture: little regard for mothers, infants and families. I think itâs inexcusable in a country as wealthy as ours. And I wonder what goes through the minds of people who make policy.
I think people need to carefully consider their values before deciding on any form of economic or political system. And of course the strain of unfavorable working conditions effects people and their families. Thatâs the saddest part.
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But you havenât answered my second and third questions: are there any âuntrueâ or âimpureâ religions out there? And how are these different from âtrueâ and âpureâ religions? And as for âunspottedââgood grief! What does that even mean?
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Dr. Shields,
Thank you for taking on such a massive task. There needs to be as much attention as possible given to the grim realities of coercive psychiatry.
I was very sorry to read of your own personal struggles, but, as others have said, it is unfortunately the only way to have a true perspective on what itâs really like to be an âin-patientâ.
Itâs very reassuring to know that you seem well-acquainted with what youâre dealing with, i.e. psychiatry and psychiatrists, and itâs rigid, closed-minded, and territorial attitudes and practices. Thatâs why itâs imperative that you have no illusions as to how to navigate between psychiatrists and the hospital system and culture.
But my hopes for the success of your endeavors are guarded, as I have serious doubts as to just how much real progress is possible, psychiatry being as entrenched, intractable, and resistant to change as it is. But itâs brave people like you who make real change a possibility.
Thank you for your courage and commitment to such a neglected area of the healthcare system. I hope your efforts are the beginning of wonderful things to come.
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bart,
Shaming and shunning are emotional abuse. And emotional abuse is not, in any way, ânon-violentâ. And it is never âdeservedâ. It is silenced violence.
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bart says, âI donât believe that an economic system or medical practitioners in the field of psychiatry are the perpetrators of a conspiratorial assault on the masses, seeking by design to usurp authority and amass wealth, per se.â
Well it may not be the psychiatrists, per se, but I wouldnât put it past the drug companies. And some people actually believe we have a âmedical mafiaâ of sorts here in the USA, which I think is a reasonable comparison. And, btw, it helps to remember that only seeing literal definitions is quite limiting. But if the thought of conspiratorial thinking triggers you, may I suggest you at least try to consider the reality of subliminal indoctrination. And as for 5G, AI, and mental health matters, Iâm not seeing the correlation, unless youâre referring to economic exploitation â
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Charlotte writes, âOutside the construct of âmental healthâ I feel far more at home in the world.â
My experience exactly.
The âconstruct of mental healthâ estranged me from myself. And leaving behind the âmedical modelâ allowed me to redefine me, because, like you, I âfelt the insights I hadâŠ.in many ways empowered me to do so; I had more faith in my own judgment and powers of observation and indeed, you might say that for a while they were the only things I trusted.â It was hard, but I finally let myself trust my gut and walk through it. Leaving the medical model also helped me to, as you say, âstop feeling less sane than everyone elseâ. And one day, after once again habitually dissecting, analyzing and criticizing my uncomfortable feelings, (due to psychotherapyâs twisted expectations), my sister said to me, out of my blue, âJust feel what youâre feeling, and donât feel bad about it.â Hearing this was like a bolt of lightning that revealed a whole new way of being for me!
And âEvery system contains the seeds of its own destruction, and few more transparently so than the medical model of distress.â
I believe this wholeheartedly and have joyful expectation that someday this will come to pass for the âmental healthâ system.
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bart,
Iâve never had the pleasure of meeting the people on your list. Have you???
In any case, I donât consider famous peopleâs experiences to be any more valid than my own.
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anotherone says, ââŠ.this article seems obfuscating. The premise is valid, but any nuanced debate on this can obscure the actual issues.â
I totally agree. The authors canât see the forest for the trees.
anotherone then says, âI just want to be safe, have a good life, be free.â
Thatâs all Iâve ever wanted, but psychiatry did a good job interfering with that.
anotherone then says, âI donât need to get into the weeds about the new terms for the same bsâŠ. I can still overlook myself to identify the social dysfunction profiteers. The MH system makes money from societal suffering. Iâd prefer solutions and less complicated explanations.â
I couldnât agree more. And hereâs my âidentifier flagsâ: Iâm moderately conservative and totally straight. But I keep having to ask myself one baffling question:
Why are so many MH âexpertsâ so jealously (and unconsciously) myopic?
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Richard asks, âWithout referring to human genetics, please explain to me what is inherently wrong with the theoretical model of a socialist society?â
How about the fact that a theoretical model isnât reality, and that repeated attempts have repeatedly failed? I think that explains a lot.
Birdsong
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Definition for Intellectual Arrogance, according to Conservapedia: a set of characteristics that tends to blind an otherwise intelligent person from recognizing the truth. These include:
1. A lack of logical rigor, resorting instead to preconceived notions or what one thinks he learned in school
2. A double standard to avoid admitting personal error, particularly an intellectual mistake
3. A lack of humility like Issac Newtonâs declaration that he understood very little
4. Assuming one is always correct without having sufficiently studied an opposing position
5. Refusing to address anotherâs position, arrogantly assuming their argument is âbeneath themâ; a failure to even listen to opposing views
6. Thinking youâre an expert in every field
7. Asserting a dubious argument is obviously true or follows from logic, rather than proving or providing evidence from it
Intellectual arrogance leads to mistaken conclusions, which is the ever-unfolding story of psychiatry â
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According to Carl C. Fenn, âHumanity is corruptible.â
Always was, always will be.
Another thought-provoking article: âThe Dangers of Intellectual Arroganceâ, by Carl C. Fenn, published in the American Thinker –
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Comedian Bill Maher thinks being politically conservative is a personality trait. I tend to agree with him.
But it doesnât explain why so many privileged capitalist-haters have such huge chips on their shoulders.
An interview worth listening to: Fareed Zaharia with Bill Maher on why U.S. democracy is at stake on CNN Audio. Air date: 06/11/2022
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Exploitation: an unfortunate reality that is in no way limited to capitalism.
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And whatâs the potential drawback of idealism?
Unintended consequences that lead to unchecked CHAOS â
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Van Scnassin says, âTrue religion, when embraced in word and deed, is the best remedy known to mankind to limit the evils perpetrated by the power hungry who can and will destroy every economy in time.â
Really? And how would you define a âtrue religionâ? And, bye the bye, could there possibly be any âuntrue religionsâ out there? And how would you know the difference?
Somehow , I find âembracingâ oxymorons a waste of time.
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Charlotte, thank you for mentioning satire. I think itâs the most best way to preserve or reclaim oneâs sanity. And I think itâs the most effective tool of subversion there is.
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Charlotte says, âModern psychiatry has turned suffering into a health problem. It gives disease-sounding names to distressing feelings and behaviorsâŠ.to legitimize the idea that they are illnessesâŠâ
âThe medical modelâs end goal for the sufferer (the âpatientâ, in psychiatric terms) is âmental healthâ, a standard which is presented as a natural order of being, but is in fact a normative conceptâŠâ
ââŠ.it (the medical model) was an unproven theory, driven largely by profit motive. The system I had trusted in as the one and only way to receive help, was in fact a scientifically corrupt, ethically problematic construct, that had convinced me and countless others that our suffering was an illness – an illness which didnât actually exist.â
âThe foundation of the medical model is stigmatization: classifying certain behaviors as normal, and deviations from them as abnormalâŠ.The notion of âde-stigmatizing mental illnessâ, which is bandied about in psychiatric circles, is laughably incoherent. It is not logically possible to âdestigmatizeâ a status which is born out of stigmatization.â
Charlotte, thank you for mentioning the âpsychiatric gazeâ. I didnât know there was a term for the creepy feeling of objectification I always felt in the âpsychotherapeutic relationshipâ.
Thank you for mentioning the power imbalance; I think itâs the worst thing about the âtherapeutic relationshipâ.
And thank you for mentioning the âPower Threat Meaning Frameworkâ and the âefforts of the United Nations Special Rapporteur to challenge the medicalization of distressâ. It lets me know there are some ethical people in positions of influence.
Charlotte, you speak the truth beautifully and with crystal clarity; it was an absolute pleasure reading your blog.
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DW says, âIt is hard to stop greed without some form of community shaming of it.â
FYI: shaming is a form of bullying –
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Whatâs capitalismâs biggest drawback?
It can take unfair advantage of vulnerable people, and people are miserable when theyâre taken advantage of. But for some reason, this obvious fact eludes most âmental healthâ workers â
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Steve says, ââŠpeople in any economic/political system will to a significant extent be tempted toward greed and the desire for personal power. This is what has happened throughout human history.â
âMan is the only creature who refuses to be what he isâ – Albert Camus
I would say, âMan is the only creature who refuses TO SEE what he isâ –
Check out realism vs idealism @differencebetween.net
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Exploitation: the fact of making use of a situation to gain unfair advantage for oneself –
This describes the hidden reality underlying psychiatry.
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Marie says, âThis article is almost funny.â
I wish I found it funny, but to me itâs mostly irritating. Reading it reminds me of the saying, âThe operation was successful, but the patient diedâ. And this happens a lot (in more ways than one) in psychiatry.
The authors need to ask themselves what their definition of âmental illnessâ is and where they found it. Better yet, they should ask themselves why they consider feeling understandably miserable a âmental illnessâ, and then ask themselves howâd theyâd feel if capitalism didnât reward THEM â
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Steve says, âI am not sure his (Karl Marx) solution is workable based on the fundamentals of human nature.â
ââŠ.the problem isnât which form of government or economic system we endorse, the problem is that we allow the exploitation of other human beings.â
ââŠ.psychiatry doesnât really care who is in control, they simply want power.â
Thank you for saying these things.
I think itâs important to balance ideals will reality, meaning no matter how noble the intentions, the ugliness of human nature will inevitably rear its ugly head. There is no ultimate utopia.
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Whatâs one of the potential drawbacks of a capitalist system? Unchecked greed.
Whatâs one of the potential drawbacks of a communist or a socialist system?
Unchecked power.
What are the main drawbacks of a mental health âsystemâ?
Unchecked power and unchecked greed.
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DW says, âIt is hard to stop greed without some form of community shaming of itâ.
FYI: shaming is a form of bullying. And self righteousness is another.
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Whatâs at play throughout human history? The egoistic âNeed for Powerâ.
Hereâs a thought-provoking article: âWhy Intellectuals Are So Upset By the âInjusticesâ of the Market Economyâ, by Rainer Zitelmann, published in Forbes Magazine
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And both psychology, (with its various forms of idiot âtherapiesâ), and psychiatry (and its dumbbell selection of âdiagnosesâ and so-called âmedicationsâ) have thrived â be it communism, capitalism, or socialism.
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Political systems have to remain flexible, or else things devolve into a bitter and restless vying for power. And since when is that good for anyoneâs well-being?
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Steve says, ââŠ.Whatâs the difference between Capitalism and Communism? In Communism, Man exploits Man. While in Capitalism, itâs the other way around!â
Thank you for mentioning exploitation. I think thatâs eventually what happens, no matter what political system is in place. Thatâs why I think it best not to wait for whatever government comes around to make a meaningful difference in oneâs mental wellbeing. But that doesnât mean not looking for ways to make things better and fairer. It has to be a flexible, ever-evolving process.
And no one needs to read a long, complicated, erudite article to know that the dog-eat-dog world we live in is unfair and makes life difficult, even miserable for many people. But how to help make things better right here and now? Spreading awareness about the inconsistencies of psychotherapy and outright lies of psychiatry, because neither these things are any less harmful no matter what political system is adopted.
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And what does it mean to practice âgood medicineâ? It means having a current and extensive knowledge of side and withdrawal effects and how to deal with them, and a deep respect for and abiding adherence to providing informed consent to each and every patient. I think most m.d.âs make a good effort to do this. But not most psychiatrists, which explains the burgeoning cascade of iatrogenic illness that sure enough is becoming the new reality for too many people. So what does that say about psychiatry???
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Stuart Shipko says, âIf psychiatrists were educated about side effects and withdrawal effects, and gave patients informed consent, then most people would say âno thank youâ.
Unfortunately, this isnât reality. Most psychiatrists have little knowledge or interest in side effects, and even less knowledge or interest in withdrawal effects. And whatever psychiatrists know about informed consent means nothing to them because side/withdrawal effects arenât realities THEY have to deal with. Denial is the name of the game in psychiatry, so how can anyone trust psychiatrists, most of whom have neither brains nor scruples?
All they do is make more misery out of the iatrogenic mess theyâve already created (which they call âpsychiatryâ) with more evermore âdiagnosesâ, evermore âtreatmentsâ, and evermore âdrugsâ.
Keep psychiatrists out of it.
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TPP âresearchersâ still recommend âpsychotherapyâ. Howâs THAT for paradox?
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Why is there a âtreatment-prevalence paradoxâ?
Because thereâs so many stupid âresearchersâ who think up stupid terms like âTPPâ in the first place â yet STILL recommend something as stupid as âpsychotherapyâ.
They obviously havenât heard the phrase, âstupid is as stupid doesâ, or, to use a more âscientificallyâ acceptable term, âreflective functioningâ.
Sure depresses the hell outta me –
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Steve says, âThey (psychiatry) canât even âsucceedâ in their own paradigm, let alone address the fact that the entire paradigm is based on a fantasy âmodelâ with no connection to physical realityâ.
Thatâs what mainstream psychiatry is â a book load of medical fantasies.
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Itâs good to know a lot of people have questioned the value of so many diagnoses. But of course it never gets very far, as mainstream psychiatry wonât hear of it, as itâs even less rational and has even less integrity than the psychology field. And Big Pharma rules the day.
And what does it usually mean when people use the word âglobalâ?
It usually means they canât see whatâs right in front of them.
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Hereâs a question: has the psychotherapy-psychology field ever questioned the value of having so many psych diagnoses? Or any diagnoses at all? And if they havenât, why is that? Who truly benefits from so much diagnostic overload?
And as for their âglobalâ this and âglobalâ that â whenâs the last time they actually bothered cleaning up their own backyard?
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Magdalene asks, âTransactional human relationships that consist of paying for âtherapyâ where our human emotions and distress are still, by and large, seen as being âtreatedâ – by a âtherapistâ who is a regulated licensed âprofessionalâ paid for their âemotional labourâ – might seem to some, to be the very epitome of neoliberal culture?â
It lookâs that way to me. But at least the âtherapeutically trainedâ Ugly Americans have smiles on their faces.
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People in other countries have their own cultures, and donât need outsiders profiting from their pain, some of which is caused by the very same outsiders, many of whom unconsciously live by the motto, âYOUR pain is MY gainâ â in more ways than one â
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And on the subject of potsâŠ.a historical reference worth noting is this: sometime in the first half of the last century, politicians promoting prosperity touted âa chicken in every potâ. But nowadays, itâs a psych diagnosis and psych drug for everything and everyone â all thanks to âtherapy cultureâ.
Some would say the worldâs come a long way, but I beg to differ.
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Thank you, Ms. DâSilva, for so eloquently articulating how clueless the psychotherapy-psychology field is on so many levels. Itâs another case of âconceptual in-competenceâ, thatâs for sureâŠ.yet they pride themselves on thinking they know what theyâre doing. Itâs one of âthe storiesâ (call them fairy tales) they keep telling themselves.
But itâs the pot calling the kettle black, once again.
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And if Ms. DâSilva isnât a therapist, thatâs probably one of the reasons sheâs able to see the âtherapy cultureâ CLEARLY â
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Magdalene DâSilva asks, âWhat type of culture or society, encourages citizens to pay therapists for formally booked and regulated appointments where human conversations are regarded as a medical âtreatmentâ (perhaps for insurance claims purposes) in order to experience themselves as a ââŠrelational and open being over timeâ?â
THATâS the question Iâve been asking myself since I was a kid. And it makes no more sense now than it did then. But my answer hasnât changed: We live in a SICK CULTURE when we think we need to farm out our psychological health to a âprofessionalâ that demands payment.
Magdalene then asks, âIsnât this âtherapy cultureâ an inherently neoliberal capitalist practice, itself?â
Thatâs what itâs always looked like to me! Have someone pick at your wounds while they pick at your wallet, because most therapists have made emotions âa sicknessâ for themselves, as most are, in reality, greedy at heart.
Magdalene then states, âThis ââŠdifferent kind of selfâŠâ(?) whatever this means, seems to be an âexperienceâ conditional upon oneâs ability to afford ongoing transactional payments of a therapistâs fees.â
Disgusting, isnât it? But it makes perfect sense to many a âtherapistâ â
Magdalene finishes by asking, â*how do MIA readers know, whether your psychotherapy-psychological field, which arose largely during (and perhaps in support of) the rise of capitalism – is not itself in some way responsible for ushering in and sustaining the very âneoliberal cultureâ you claim now threatens it?â
If MIA readers donât know this already, maybe they do now. But I doubt most therapists are able to grasp what Ms. DâSilva is talking about, as sheâs the exception âone of those rare therapists who actually uses her head.
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Most âmental health professionalsâ are working FOR an authoritarian system, but donât even know it. They are âthe blind leading the blindâ. And how can you tell if they know this or not? Just tell them the truth and see how they react: if they get angry, condescending or accusatory, youâll know what your dealing with.
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Maybe someday the âpsychiatricâ neuroscientists of the world will realize a lot more can be learned about human consciousness from staring at Rorschach ink blots, or gazing at the stars, or watching the clouds go by, or just looking through their kidsâ kaleidoscope! Which reminds me of some song lyrics I heard, once upon a time, âthe more you learn, the less you knowâŠâ
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An interesting article in The New York Times is, âWhy Authoritarians Attack the Artsâ. The closing paragraph is a wake up call, but not just for artists, but for anyone seeking âhelpâ from the âmental healthâ industry.
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Someone Else says, âa picture speaks a thousand wordsâ, so visual artists do have a powerful form of communicationâŠ.And not long ago my âtoo truthfulâ portfolio turned a psychologist into a God complexed, attempted theif. Since a lot of pictures did tell an entirely âtoo truthfulâ story, for him.â
Artists express unspoken truths that others cannot see or are afraid to say by exposing the lies weâre told. And visual artists do this in ways words cannot.
âLearn to live, and let live, omni-potent moral busy bodiesâŠNot everything is about âinternalizing the dominant capitalist narrative of productivity above all elseâ. Some of us artists are about quality over crap.â
Thank you, Someone Else. That about sums up what Iâd like to say to any omnipotent moral busybody out there, but especially those known as âmental health professionalsâ, most of whom canât distinguish quality from crap, which is why theyâre in love with âpsychologyâ. They have no idea theyâre working in an authoritarian system.
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Thank you, A.T. Kingsmith, for your excellent blog.
Itâs disturbing how insidiously the DSM has come to influence both our collective culture and personal values.
And the question âWhy has it become ânormalâ that so many people today are anxious?â is worth asking, but I think it can be answered in three letters:
DSM.
Psychiatry let it become a tool to service political and economic interests, rather than peopleâs âmental healthâ.
And âThe Big Book of Sickâ keeps doing its dirty work. Itâs psychiatryâs worst legacy.
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KateL,
I highly recommend the podcast âThe Scientific Emptiness of Psychiatryâ with Dr. David Cohen. The ending might blow you away. Also worth the time is reading the blog âThe Problem of High Functioning Anxietyâ. Each offers its own birdâs eye view of the mental health system, and are critical thinking at its best.
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Dr. Cohen says, ââŠthe whole country is kind of turning into a whole psychiatric institutionâŠâ
Thank you for telling it like it is, Dr. Cohen.
And Dr. Cohen asks, âHow is the priest gonna start criticizing the priesthood?â
And therein lies the crux of the problem â
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Thank you for including this excellent and informative podcast. It lets me know someone in academia is actually doing his job.
And the title âThe Scientific Emptiness of Psychiatryâ says it all –
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KateL,
I donât think you have âBPDâ or any other âpsychiatric diagnosisâ. I donât think anyone does. People have struggles, but struggles donât mean illness. You just went through hell that the âmental health systemâ denied, dismissed and continued with its own brand of hell.
The âmental health systemâ is whatâs âsickâ, NOT YOU –
And as for its beloved âpower imbalanceâ â thatâs bullshit on top of bullshit â
So what does that make the âmental health systemâ?
A messy mass of implicit assumptions –
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KateL says, âThe failure to account for the power imbalance, plus a a long list of implicit assumptions that the âfindingsâ of the study depend on makes the results meaningless.â
BINGO!!!
I wholeheartedly agree with everything you say here. And âimplicit assumptionsâ are the magic words.
I particularly appreciate these two insightful and compassionate questions: âHow many had suffered abuse as children?â, followed by, âWas the thing that the study authors deemed âimpaired reflective functioningâ actually a form of hypervigilance resulting from early trauma?â
So â whatâs the first and worst âimplicit assumptionâ of all? That âBPDâ, or any other âpersonality disorderâ is a âdisorderâ or âillnessâ.
SO. NOT. TRUE.
And that goes for the rest of âmental illnessâ.
Your keen observations and the questions you raise highlight whatâs wrong with the âmental healthâ systemâboth broadly and at its core, as you have the critical thinking and empathy most âmental health professionalsâ so grossly lack.
And itâs questions like yours that make me implicitly assume the gross stupidity of the entire âmental healthâ system.
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How do neuroscientists know theyâve erased traumatic memories in mice? Do the mice actually tell them? And how did the mice get traumatized? Waitâlet me take a wild guessâthe mice sensed they were trapped and going to be tortured, or, to use more neuropsychiatrically polite lingo, used as âexperimental subjectsâ for âresearchâ. And if neuroscientists think what theyâre doing is so fine and dandy, ask âem to use each other instead. I doubt any of them would volunteer to be their next lab rat.
All theyâre doing is high tech lobotomies.
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I hope someday there will be lots people who understand how disempowering the dynamics of âtherapyâ can be, how infantilizing the âpower imbalanceâ in âtherapyâ actually is.
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And why canât most psychiatrists see thereâs no truth to mainstream psychiatry?
Because most are drunk from drinking their own Kool-Aid; it acts as an ego-juice.
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And hereâs another formal definition for MIND FUCK: âa disturbing or extremely confusing experience, in particular one that is caused by deliberate psychological manipulationâ.
Reading this brings back a lot of memories for me.
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I also believe that unrelenting or repeated emotional and psychological stress/trauma is what causes most âmental illnessâ, even such devastating conditions like âBipolarâ, (be it 1 or 2), or âschizophreniaâ. So how come some people develop these problems while others donât? Because people experience and process things differently, which doesnât mean âillnessâ.
And âpsychiatric neuroscienceâ has yet to prove otherwise. But some people like building roads to nowhere.
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Hereâs a simple fact: when youâre treated like shit, you feel like shit.
So whatâs the first thing wrong with âpsychiatric neuroscienceâ?
It puts the cart before the horse.
Looks like the yahoos of neuroscience forgot the law of cause and effect.
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I think labeling people with psychiatric diagnoses is morally judgmental and unconsciously sadistic, because itâs done with the belief that thereâs something âwrongâ with the person that needs to be âfixedâ.
And with bullshit like DSM paired with something as potentially abusive as DBT, how much worse can things get for people?
In any case, I think a lot of âprofessionalsâ get a kick out of diagnosing. But stuff like DBT takes cruelty to a whole new level.
Wanna know the way I learned to shut up the psychiatrists and therapists I knew? By politely asking them to deal with me as a human being. And it worked every time, but it didnât do much else. I think that says a lot about the âmental health industryâ.
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Hereâs a simple fact: if youâre treated like shit, you feel like shit.
So whatâs the first thing wrong with âpsychiatric neuroscienceâ?
It puts the cart before the horse.
Looks like the dumbbells of neuroscience forgot the law of cause and effect.
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And why does greening vacant lots in depressed neighborhoods cause improvements to individual mental health?
BECAUSE IT MEANS SOMEBODY GIVES A DAMN â
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Labeling people with psychiatric diagnoses is morally judgmental and unconsciously sadistic. Why? Because theyâre created the idea that something is âwrongâ with the person that needs to be âfixedâ.
In any case, a lot of âprofessionalsâ get an unconscious kick out of diagnosing. But stuff like DBT â now THAT takes cruelty to a whole new level.
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Peter,
Thank you for mentioning acupuncture. I found it does an amazing job calming down my nervous system.
Itâs my belief that early or unrelenting emotional and psychological stress can get encoded in parts of the brain, but that doesnât indicate biological cause or discrete âillnessâ. And I think non-invasive things like acupuncture helps unlock and rewire things. At the very least, acupuncture relieves physical tension, and even physical pain, which often eases psychic tension, which can lead to more positive outlooks.
Itâs too bad Americaâs gotten so goddamn neuro-fixated and drug-happy.
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Whatâs another word for psychiatryâs âseductive prowessâ?
MIND FUCK.
Hereâs my favorite definition for âmind fuckâ, courtesy Urban Dictionary: âThe process of raping someoneâs intelligence and/or beliefs with lies and manipulation. The only defense is instinct and intuition; otherwise known as the TRUTH.
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Thank you Peter for this article.
When I was a kid I asked my parents why people use illegal drugs. They said it was because they couldnât face reality.
It seems most neuroscientists arenât much different.
Inventing elaborate diagnostic labels and getting immersed in complicated neurological âstudiesâ is a way for people to distance themselves from dealing with painful psychological and social realities, and provides a way to insulate themselves from feeling any responsibility for what causes them.
So what is psychiatric neuroscience? Intellectual junk food.
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Labeling people with psychiatric diagnoses is morally judgmental and unconsciously sadistic. Why? Because theyâre created with the idea that something is âwrongâ with the person that needs to be âfixedâ. In any case, âprofessionalsâ get an unconscious kick out of doing it (âdiagnosingâ). But stuff like âDBTâ â now THAT takes their cruelty to a whole new level.
Wanna know the best way to shut up a mainstream psychiatrist or therapist? Ask them to deal with you as a human being. Works every time.
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Sam says, âI have seen sadistic tendencies in many professions that like to control their environments and other people.â
âSadistic tendenciesâ best describes most of the therapists I had experience with. Even worse was the awful feeling I was supplying the therapist their weekly fix of schadenfreude. It was beyond humiliating.
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anotherone says, âNobody should have to survive pointless punishment for profit.â
Welcome to âtherapyâ.
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Boans,
I think most mental health professionals are unwitting participants, so theyâre happy to eat up the bullshit psychiatry dishes out, or else are too intimidated to speak out. Too few have critical eyes, and even fewer have courage.
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Altostrata says, âUltimately, (not âunfortunatelyâ, my bad) it (âconceptual competenceâ) is irrelevant to patient care, and patients remain endangered by its silence on the underlying rotten paradigm leading to the gross deficiencies in clinical training.â
Psychiatry needs to wake up and smell the coffee. Philosophy is the pursuit of truth, and thereâs no truth in psychiatry.
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How is there no truth to psychiatry?
Because itâs diagnoses arenât real and its drugs arenât medications. Itâs legalized drug pushing masquerading as medicine, and no amount of armchair philosophizing can change that.
Psychiatry has no place in medicine. Itâs nothing more than biological mind control.
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And as for âreificationâ of âpsychiatric constructsâ. THATâS a real beaut, a great example of intellectual masterbation.
Reification: âis a fallacy of ambiguity, when an abstraction is treated as if it were a concrete, real event or physical entityâ.
How do you like that? Psychiatry actually gaslights itself!
Time to give it up, psychiatry. The worldâs not gonna fall for your DSM bullshit forever. And hereâs another fun fact: psychiatry itself is a âpsychiatric constructâ, or âfallacy of ambiguityâ. Imagine that!
And when psychiatry gets bored with âreificationâ, it can always try its hand at âdeificationâ. And who knows? They just might find thereâs little difference between the two in psychiatry.
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Altostrata says, âUltimately, (not âunfortunatelyâ, my bad) it (âconceptual competenceâ) is irrelevant to patient care, and patients remain endangered by its silence on the underlying rotten paradigm leading to the gross deficiencies in clinical training.â
Wake up and smell the coffee, Aftab! Philosophy is the pursuit of truth, but thereâs no truth in psychiatry.
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Altostrata says, âThe specialty (psychiatry) is dangerously ignorant of the powerful psychotropics it wields with such abandon. Unfortunately, no amount of âconceptual competenceâ addresses this.â
BINGO!!!
Mouthing phrases like âconceptual competenceâ is psychiatryâs way of distancing itself from its countless moral crimes of bias and discrimination. Itâs a feeble attempt to save face, but hiding behind intellectualism will do little to alter its inherent depravity.
Psychiatryâs âconceptual competenceâ means serving people tea before sending them to the guillotine.
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Altostrata says, ââŠin general psychiatrists, who almost always do nothing but prescribe drugs, are very weak in understanding the basic pharmacology, interactions, and adverse effects of the drugs they give the public every minute of every dayâŠ.No matter how philosophically sophisticated the psychiatrist, this practical barrier to providing responsible patient care cannot be overcome. The specialty is dangerously ignorant of the powerful psychotropics it wields with such abandon. Unfortunately, it is irrelevant to patient care, and patients remain endangered by its silence on the underlying rotten paradigm leading the gross deficiencies in clinical training.â
This is reality. And Aftab wants to sit around the campfire and smoke a peace pipe while the forest is burning.
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Just what the world needs. Philosophical drug pushers.
The world needs wisdom, but not from inexperienced, wet-behind-the-ears philosophical thumb-twiddlers.
Aftab hasnât lived anywhere near long enough to know what heâs talking about. He has yet to discover the difference between fantasy and reality. But people who like spending their time in ivory towers rarely do.
And he mentions, of all things, humilityâand heâs a psychiatrist – which is the exact opposite of humility! Talk about ironyâŠ.but when I think about it, psychiatry and philosophy actually do have something in common: both are wordy and pretentious.
He seems happy enough to paint the house, though. Too bad he doesnât know itâs condemned. But how could he when he spends so much time playing in his philosophical playground?
But heâs such an eager beaver, trying to change psychiatry! Which reminds meâŠ.what thatâs saying about about putting lipstick on a pig?
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Too bad the idiots who run psychiatry canât see how foolish they look and fanatical they sound proclaiming psychiatryâs infallibility.
Is reforming psychiatry even possible?
Not with the bible most psychiatrists carry.
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I think the body and brain’s ability to regenerate has a lot to do with the will to live, which psychiatric âtreatmentâ too often robs from people.
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Boans,
Thank you for the clip.
Youâre right. It is scarily similar to going up against a âmental health professionalâ, whose omnipotence/licensure grants them powers to assault peopleâs character with labels, or worse, condemn them to confinement, with little to no access to adequate recourse and redress. Itâs a grievous violation of basic human rights. And they do it with impunity. Theyâre utterly disgusting.
And yes, the ending is about the same as questioning a âmental health professionalâ. But the difference, I think, is that God knows what Heâs doing, (which doesnât make it better), whereas most psychiatrists and therapists, I think, are totally unaware of their cruelty and stupidity, because their egos have gotten so big itâs blinded them to their true motivations and character. And they enjoy playing God, walking all over peopleâs basic rights, turning patients into flies, so to speak, or lying about the validity of their âdiagnosesâ, or efficacy and safety of their âmedicationsâ, which they feel their âeducationâ entitles them to do. But most stomach turning of all are a psychiatristâs or therapistâs justifications, skillfully executed with award-winningly seductive prowess. Itâs truly a sight to behold.
But in the end, itâs just like God, because itâs all about having and wielding power, however they please.
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KateL said, âIf therapists themselves were able to put themselves in the patientâs shoes, they would quickly learn how humiliating and hope-destroying it feels to be labeled, studied and âmanagedâ by people who are PAID (not âtrainedâ, my bad) to help.â
I do apologize, KateL.
I think the fact they people are paid for this abuse and call it âworkâ is grotesque.
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Experiences engage the brain, like exercise engages the body, creating new neural pathways, etc. But weâre not all brain, thank goodness. We have feelings and perceptions (hearts and souls) that respond to experiences that affect how we live.
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And also I wish I hadnât ignored my gut instinct to NOT believe I would âneed medication the rest of my lifeâ.
So not true.
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The way psychiatryâs famous proponents castigate non-believers reminds me of how some religious leaders regard non-believers. In other words, psychiatryâs believers tend to get angry, insulting, condescending and dismissive towards non-believers, especially when asked for biological proof to back up their claims. Itâs a lot like a religious debate on the existence of God.
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What can be almost as bad as having âanxiety and depressionâ? People thinking you might have âanxiety and depressionâ. Which might do what? Bring on âanxiety and depressionâ.
This is very unwise, as children often live up to the expectations of adults, whether good or bad.
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âBiology is likely deeply involved in mental health problemsâ.
I think peopleâs biology can affect their mental state, (and vice versa), but not to the extent most psychiatrists would have us think. But I also think a belief in psychiatry as it is today is a form of psychosis.
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Where do therapists come up with words like âmentalizationâ and ârefelective functioningâ?
Itâs no mystery. They find âem straight out of âThe Book of Intellectual Masterbationâ –
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âMentalizationâ. âReflexive functioningâ.
What stupid words.
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Steve says, âWe are taught to ignore our own instincts and just do as weâre told.â
No therapist ever told me to trust my own instincts, which I now realize was all I needed to hear.
Deep down I sensed that âtherapyâ wasnât for me. It just felt wrong. And I now know I wasnât âdepressedâ, and I didnât have an âanxiety disorderâ â I was grief stricken and anxious from feeling the grief.
So what made me âgo to therapyâ? Buying into societyâs notion that uncomfortable feelings are âabnormalâ. And what makes me think I didnât need therapy? The fact that âtherapyâ made me feel worse, and the fact that stopping it made me feel better.
And I always had the nagging feeling that therapists often donât tell clients to trust their own instincts because they know deep down they may lose clients. Which is why deep down I never had any real respect for any of them I had contact with.
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I think a lot of people who seem to âlack empathyâ are actually just too upset to think beyond themselves.
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KateL,
The thing I canât understand is why some people who are upset are said to âlack empathyâ. I think people get upset because they havenât been heard properly. And I think the therapists who canât do this âlack empathyâ, which is absurd, because youâd think a therapist would be reflective enough to not think like that. Itâs disturbing and cruel.
I think the whole damn mental health system needs to learn some âmentalizationâ and âreflective functioningâ.
And I donât think you lack empathy or reflective thought, AT ALL, KateL
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The therapists Iâve had experience with are among the least intuitive people Iâve ever known.
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Whatâs the best therapy for therapists?
CBT? DBT? Psychodynamic?
Well, itâs probably not CBTâŠ
Really? How so?
Because most therapists are too narcissistic.
Narcissistic?
You know, grandiose –
Thatâs trueâŠbut what about DBT?
Nope. Most are too controlling and talkative to sit through that –
Okay, well I guess that leaves psychodynamic psychotherapy, right?
Psychodynamic has a shot, but I wouldnât count on it. Most of the time even that doesnât crack their lids.
Why?
Because theyâre too locked in denial –
But they lead you to believe they have a lot of introspective ability!
But thatâs their biggest delusion, which is why many of them became therapists.
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Thanks KateL.
I looked up âmentalizationâ and âreflective functioningâ and found these:
Mentalization: âthe ability to understand your own and others behavior on the basis of mental states, and âthe ability to understand the mental state of oneself or others â that underlies overt behaviorâŠsometimes described as âunderstanding misunderstandingsââŠmentalizationâŠis weakened by intense emotionâ.
Reflective Functioning: âan ability to step back from a behavior, think about its impact and meaning, imagine what might be going on in the mind of another person and see it as distinct from oneâs own mindâ.
Interesting definitions, but I wouldnât throw away emotion so handily, as emotions can be our best guideâŠ.when kept under controlâŠ.and as I recall, this didnât happen a lot âin therapyâ, thanks to the therapist, who usually tossed aside my honest thoughts and feelingsâŠ.which makes me think about âunderstanding misunderstandingsââbut give me a breakâ thatâs a bridge too far for most therapists, as most show up to âtherapyâ convinced they already understand everythingâŠ.and, as I recall, youâd better run for cover if you happen to show them they understand next to nothingâŠ.and as for âreflective functioningââŠ.humm.âŠfunctioningâ, ehh?âŠokayâwhy canât therapists just saying reflective thinking?âŠ.but I guess that sounds too pedestrian for most therapistsâ egosâŠ.yup, therapists feed off their junk food jargon FOR SUREâŠ.just hearing their own jargon tickles their fragile egosâŠ.at these moments I recall feeling an uncomfortable mixture of surprise, frustration and pity for the therapistâŠ.which quickly turned to disgust at myself when I recalled I agreed to pay for this nonsense called âtherapyââŠ.but waitâcould I possibly be âreflectively functioningâ!?âŠ..andâŠas I recallâŠ.this is when I reflectively walked out their door, for the very last timeâŠ
But KateL says it best, as she knows better than anyone the real meaning of empathy and reflective thought, which she has in herself, in spades:
âIf therapists were able to put themselves in the patientâs shoes, they would quickly learn how humiliating and hope-destroying it feels to be labeled and studied and âmanagedâ by people who are trained to help.â
KateL is right. Therapist should shut up and learn to take their own advice.
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But therapists have not, by any means, cornered the market on intellectual masterbation. Most psychiatrists are running neck and neck with them. But some say psychiatrists are far and away the champs. I think itâs a dead heat.
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anotherone,
Thank you for your kind words. Iâm deeply touched and honored by YOUR endorsement. And I love reading your comments.
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I agree. Most psychotherapy is a repetition of the abuse thatâs happening in the real world. Which is why I found psychotherapy so infantilizing.
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I think the biggest problem with psychotherapy is the âtherapyâ itself. It gets in the way by clogging therapistsâ brains with judgement-laden âdiagnosesâ and biased âtherapiesâ, making the so-called âtherapyâ a synthetic, scripted interchange shaped by a therapistâs agenda, leaving little room for a spontaneous, genuinely heartfelt and therefore meaningfully honest human experience between equals. Itâs totally artificial, bland, flat and useless. No truth in it at all.
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Steve says, âItâs very intuitive, and the diagnosis is essentially completely irrelevant to good therapy.â
I couldnât agree more.
The word âintuitiveâ doesnât describe most therapists Iâve had the distinct displeasure of working with. Instead, the most intuitive people Iâve known and know have nothing to do with the âmental healthâ system. I think that says a lot about the mental health system and the type of people that work in it.
Itâs like a breath of fresh air speaking with someone whoâs truly intuitive. I feel instinctively heard, understood and totally validated, as they help give voice to the frustrations I canât find words for. Itâs the complete opposite of the clumsy but always praised âpsychotherapy processâ â but itâs incredibly âtherapeuticâ. Try putting THAT in some âresearchâ paper and call it the âThe Foolâs Errand Intuitive Studyâ.
And another thing: My âgetting betterâ didnât happen until I got enough sense to stay away from the mental health system. And when did that happen? When I finally learned to trust my own intuition, which is something the mental health system never tells people to do –
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Rebecca says, âLots of people actually have harmful mental health providers and are perceiving their providers accurately.â
Yes – unfortunately, many people actually DO have harmful mental health providers. And things can get worse if patients tell this to their providers/therapists. Not very âtherapeuticâ.
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One of the reasons most psychotherapy is so ineffectual is because most therapists donât know the difference between âreflexive thinkingâ and âreflective thinkingâ â and most canât understand the difference even when itâs explained to them â because for them, education means regurgitation, confusing recitation with true understanding â which is what makes most therapists pseudo intellectuals motivated more by gaining social status and personal validation, not by an âempathyâ so many lay claim to. Their training teaches them a paint-by-numbers approach, which they need, because most arenât capable of sensing emotional nuanceâand a lot of times those who do sense emotional nuance get the heck out of the training program, because they realize that no one needs a degree to help someone understand their feelings, motivations and thought processes.
And most therapists are prisoners of their own reflexive thinking, (courtesy their training), so for them, âtherapyâ means having clients reflect the therapistâs reflexive thinking.
Itâs amazing how much difference one consonant can make.
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After all, why do something as simple as respectfully listen to someone when you can charge hefty fees for using half-assed theories and gobbledygook language? Or think youâre practicing medicine when all youâre doing is a form of whitewashed drug dealing backed up by meaningless âbioscienceâ? Yup, âmental healthâ is a great career for narcissistic know-it-alls.
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It would be nice if psychiatrists and therapists could improve their own reflective functioning, but Iâm afraid thatâs expecting too much from people trained to intellectually masterbate.
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And why are most psychiatrists and therapists such secretly neurotic kooks?
Hard to tell for sure, but you can bet it has something to do with their affinity for ridiculously elaborate and essentially useless theories like âobject relationsâ â that collection of wordy bullshit better understood by simply using common sense, insight, and a little imagination, which just happen to be the three qualities most deficient in most therapists, which is why most therapists need to rely on using so much intellectual masterbation, which inevitably leads to peddling bullshit like CBT, DBT, and, of course, psychodynamics.
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And thoughtful discussion doesnât require a therapist, believe it or not, or even a friend, for that matter, which is better, because the most honest discussions we have are the ones we have with ourselves alone.
Hereâs the âtherapyâ bullshit decoded:
CBT: question, challenge and reframe negative thoughts
Psychodynamic therapy: question denial of problems, consider and search repressed feelings as possible root cause of problems
DBT: getting sucked into some idiot control freakâs idiot idea of âmindfulnessâ and âbeing in the presentâ. Just be ready to wag your tail like a dog and go fetch to please the therapist whoâs got you on a leash –
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And the real motivation for most of those who work as psychiatrists or therapists isnât a desire to help – itâs an ego-related but unconscious desire to hold power.
And souped-up terms like âpsychodynamic therapyâ or âreflective functioningâ are just fancy words for thoughtful discussion or individual introspection, which, btw, is something people can do on their own.
And as for DBT â thankfully Iâve never been subjected to that, but it sounds very controlling, like obedience training for humans.
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KateL says, âI donât think they (psychiatrists and therapists) gave a lot of reflective functioning to what it was like to be a patient. They should start there.â
I donât think most psychiatrists and therapists are capable of realizing what itâs really like to be a patient. I think if insight and sensitivity were their strong suit, they wouldnât have become therapists or psychiatrists. Most are in a league of their own in their capacity for unreflective thought, self delusion, and their attraction to holding power over others.
Morally judgmental professions require morally judgmental people, and working as a psychiatrist or therapist more than fills the bill.
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Thank you anotherone, for saying, âThis article works off a false, but insidiously common MH system bias, that the practitioner is morally superior to their clients.â
Yes! Itâs the âinsidiously common MH system bias, that the practitioner is morally superior to their clientsâ I found impossible to ignore, despite my best efforts to participate in the god awful garbage called âpsychotherapyâ. Without question, the therapistâs self serving belief in their totally imaginary âpower imbalanceâ is what made âtherapyâ not work for me. And at the risk of sounding conceited, l have to say that most of what any of them had to say were things I already knew, which irritated them, because it meant they couldnât get an ego boost out of saying I lacked âinsightâ.
And FYI: I was never âdiagnosedâ with BPD, or any other ridiculous personality âdisorderâ, thank goodness. But apparently, MDD (major depressive disorderâ) was enough for psychiatrists and other therapists to sit on their high horse and spout off their own unreflective âtherapeuticâ bullshit.
anotherone concludes with, âIâd prefer insight into how psychiatrists and therapists can improve their own reflective functioning. No more groupthink passed off as research. Acknowledge reality.â
Yes. That would be nice, but itâs unlikely to happen with people attracted to groupthink, which is all the MH system amounts to. And yes, âjust acknowledge realityâ. And whatâs the reality? That psychiatrists and therapists are NOT morally superior to their clients. And I should know, as Iâm the daughter of a psychiatrist and have personally known people who became therapists. These people are as screwed up and behave as badly as anyone they âtreatâ, and their belief in their moral superiority (and in the MH system) is what makes them the most screwed up and dangerous people out there.
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Thank you Dr. Kriegman, for going through mainstream psychiatryâs ethical shoddiness with a fine toothed comb. It shows how underhanded and opportunistic mainstream psychiatrists are. The trouble is, not enough people know this yet. But things are changing, and when change gets going, thereâs no stopping it, and psychiatrists will finally look like the fools they are. Because I too think that âin the end the truth will prevail.â
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Dan Kriegman says, ââŠclinicians have no access to the perspective and understanding that comes from comparing drug response to placebo responseâ, and ââŠwe know that the impact of placebos can be greatly affected by their presentation.â
This explains why psychiatric drug research is useless.
Richard D. Lewis says, ââŠ.all of this research IGNORES the significant number of people (victims) who end up going down the ârabbit holeâ of a seemingly endless number of new prescriptions of other drugs, including dangerous drug cocktails.â
This explains how psychiatric drug research has no connection to the real world.
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KateL,
I understand how you feel, but no matter what happens, and no matter what anyone says, including you son, donât give up on yourself.
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Krista says, âThe language surrounding psychiatry and psychology has become an assimilation and marketing exercise that blurs & softens experiences into a large, more palatable blob.â
ââŠblurs and softens experiences into a large, more palatable blob.â
Yep, THAT says it all.
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KateL,
What do I mean by âcut your lossesâ? I mean donât add to your frustrations by expecting the impossible. Which doesnât mean not standing up for yourself when necessary; it means calmly disagreeing and calmly stating why, but not making an issue out of it if youâre not taken seriously or treated with disrespect, because getting upset just gives people more ammunition to discredit you. Itâs a matter of learning to be in control of yourself and the situation. You probably know this already, but Iâm just trying to help.
I hope things get better for you soon.
Birdsong
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KateL,
Thereâs not much you can do about people who insist on calling you âmentally illâ, especially those who work in the âmental illnessâ system; itâs all they know, so trying to convince them otherwise is a waste of time. So donât waste yours on people who arenât worthy of you. But how you feel is completely understandable, as the term âmentally illâ is actually a slur, whether itâs intended or not. But after a while, itâs best to try and cut your losses whenever and however you can.
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When trauma language becomes hackneyed, it then becomes perfunctory. And this is bad because so much of trauma is nuanced, meaning it can be hard to put into words, and even when words are used, the full impact of the trauma may not be conveyed, especially to (most) therapists, many of whom (imo) are overbearing, browbeating know-it-alls unable to pick up subtleties, even if theyâre right in front of them. And since this is what passes for âtherapyâ, itâs no wonder thereâs so many troubled people.
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Expecting people to talk about their trauma, â and then shaming them if they donât â is disrespectful and cruel.
And trauma (for most) therapists has come to mean three things in the world we live in today: diagnoses, drugs and $$$!!!
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Dr. Holzman,
I liked reading your article very much, because it sounds like you have a refreshing take on things.
I like your term âdevelopmentalistâ; it takes the pathology out of psychology. And your approach to ââŠsupport people to develop themselves and their communitiesâŠ(to) create new responses to existing situationsâ is what needs to happen, because itâs the only realistic and humane thing to do, not to mention reasonable and respectful. After all, what has pathologizing done for anyone except cause more trauma?
And Iâm glad you mentioned writing things down as I, too, found this helpful â a lot more helpful than talking to a therapist or taking âmedicationâ. Writing removes the obstacle of having someone judge or misinterpret whatever Iâm saying. Writing helps make sense of the impossible.
Exploring new ways of looking at trauma is important, because, as you say, ââour feelings and what we call them and how we understand themâare always inextricably linkedâ, which to me means the difference between hope and despair. And new perspective means new life.
Thank you again for sharing your new, positive approach. The world needs more good people like you.
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Thereâs a reason why people call horrible things âunspeakableâ; itâs because theyâre traumatic. But thatâs something most therapists seem to have a hard time understanding. And itâs my experience that most therapists canât accept the fact that talk therapy doesnât work for everyone. And on top of that, most therapists believe thereâs something wrong with people who donât find talking helpful, and that itâs the clientâs fault if they donât! Now THATâS a trauma, right there, courtesy your local therapist. And for some reason, most therapistsâ egos seem to depend on people spilling their guts, as if they own YOUR trauma, which they then feed off like parasites. Trauma, anyone???
And NO ONE needs the ultimate trauma of being handed a âpsychiatric diagnosesâ –
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KateL,
Rejection can be devastating, especially when looking for help. And the places that turned you away says more about them than you.
Finding a competent therapist is a crapshoot for anybody. But living a good life doesnât depend on finding one â despite what anyone tells you. The key is learning to be your own therapist, which for me has meant learning to be my own best friend, as corny as that may sound.
But what youâve been through is devastating, and downright appalling, especially in this day and age. And whatâs more appalling is then being rejected from the very system thatâs supposed to be helpful. So, maybe you should stay away from a system that focuses on âmental illnessâ, which to me makes it the ultimate nightmare. And after all, it sounds like youâve got A LOT more on the ball than most of the people that work in it. And donât forget, KateL, you found your way to MIA! Let THAT be your badge of honor.
Take care,
Birdsong
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Why canât the so-called âexpertsâ see the link between the increase in people being âdiagnosedâ with psychiatric âdisordersâ and the publication of the DSM III, IV, and V? The DSM just gives doctors more excuses to write prescriptions for more and more âmedicationsâ, courtesy Big Pharma. Take off their white coats and all theyâre doing is drug dealing.
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âDoing this can retraumatizeâ, meaning talking about trauma (or anything else) can be retraumatizing. And it doesnât matter if someone says youâre not being âforcedâ to talk, because even just the expectation that talking is good causes feelings of obligation to talk, which can also be traumatizing, or just call it intrusive and invalidating.
And the language of trauma in the wrong hands can be just as bad as the pseudo-medical gobbledegook psychiatry dishes out.
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The lie that thereâs a link between serotonin and depression is just the tip of the psychiatric iceberg. Why canât the so-called âexpertsâ see the link between the increase in âpsychiatric disordersâ and the publication of the DSM III, IV and V? Not to mention the introduction of SSRIâs and the ânewer generation antipsychoticsâ. And donât forget the increase in psychiatric drug-induced iatrogenic illnesses and resulting disability. But no one needs a Ph.D to connect the dots; itâs easy to see whatâs been happening.
Itâs only a matter of time before enough people see whatâs really going on. And at that point there may be a whole new medical specialty dedicated to dealing with the iatrogenic illnesses caused by psychiatryâs drugs. They could call themselves âiatrogenicistsâ.
Psychiatrists need to remember that even in this day and age, the chickens always come home to roost.
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Steve says, âAnd often results to which they never willingly agree to aspire, and continue to protest even when âin compliance.â
This is what makes most âtherapyâ like obedience school; having to perform for a therapist who all the while prattles on and on about learning to be âauthenticâ, when, in fact, all theyâre doing is a reenactment of negative family dynamics that most therapists arenât even aware of. They just like the power. Which is why they defend their methods by hiding behind their precious âpower imbalanceâ, that bullshit idea that allows them to control the conversation, just like mom and dad.
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Dr Holzman, thank you for saying this: âPsychiatry and psychology have so altered our experience of human emotions that it is exceedingly difficult to feel, understand or talk about nearly any aspect of human life outside of the medicalized and illness framework we have been socialized to.â
This canât be said often enough these days, and I wish it were the first paragraph in every psychology textbook.
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Joshua says, âSomeone could have been traumatized in ways that they do not yet know how to give voice toâŠ.the most common forms of abuse are those which our entire society declines to recognize.â
Vey true, but no one should be forced, coerced, or in any way made to feel obligated to disclose whatâs happened to them, conscious or not. But unfortunately, most therapists are stuck on the belief that talk therapy is the only way to overcome trauma. Doing this can retraumatize and puts the trauma ahead of the person.
Whatâs happened with trauma language is what often happens with any idea that captures the publicâs imagination; it gets stereotyped. But Dr. Holzman brings up a very good question: can we live our lives without diagnosing ourselves? Now THATâS a question worth pursuing.
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Dear KateL,
Iâm so sorry this happened to you. It must have felt awful to have gotten your hopes up, only to be dumped so coldly. Please donât think you were brainwashed; you reached out in hope, but unfortunately, it didnât work out in that instance.
Isnât it ironic how an industry devoted to helping people often turns out to be the exact opposite? But who knows? Maybe thereâs another therapist just right for you at betterhelp after all. In any case, I hope you get your money back.
Best wishes,
Birdsong
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Shiloh says, âThen on a regular visit to my psychiatrist I asked that my meds be decreasedâŠ.He instead prescribed a fifth medication.â
This is no surprise; itâs psychiatryâs modus operandi. But thankfully what followed was Shilohâs moment of truth:
âStanding at line at the pharmacy it just hit me that I couldnât do this anymoreâŠâ
Shiloh, Iâm sorry you experienced so much needless suffering. But thank you for taking the time to write this essay. And please do write a book; it just might be what keeps someone else from falling into psychiatryâs âiatrogenic hellâ. And âMadness to Miraclesâ sounds like a great title.
May you enjoy continued improvements to your overall health and a loving reunion with your children.
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Thank you, Joshua.
I too, believe that a lot of what is called mental illness has to do with what happens in childhood, although it could be due to any number of things.
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Joshua,
Thank you for your kind words.
I was a young adult when a series of family crises (that had been accumulating over a number of years) finally got me to the breaking point.
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Nijinsky says, âWho said that religion was the opium of the masses, thatâs past history, now itâs brought to you by the drug companies and the marketing industryâŠ.â
YES!!!
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Dear farmor,
Iâm so glad you listened to your son and were eventually able to stop all medication. I too have lost too much time listening to psychiatristsâ âbevy of liesâ.
And thank you again for your eloquence when saying, âThe psychiatrists see us at our lowest ebb and pretty defenseless, unable to advocate for ourselves or readily believed, and desperately seeking answers wherever we may find them.â
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So what happens when people have trouble living competitive, superficial lives?
They fall victim to psychiatryâs pill-popping culture.
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And itâs amazing how the reasons for peopleâs misery are obvious to everyone BUT (most) psychiatrists –
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Psychiatryâs DSM diagnoses medicalize normal reactions to lifeâs difficulties. And by medicalizing, psychiatry offers drugs that blot out the spiritual lessons and growth that could otherwise take place. And since most psychiatrists have swallowed mainstream psychiatryâs âscientificâ delusions of their drugsâ efficacy, theyâve allowed themselves to be lulled into misinterpreting the âresultsâ from their bought-and-paid-for ârandomized clinicalâ drug trials.
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Nijinsky says, âWhat kind of complacency to consumerism, and the marketing of social norms, and mob mentality, and the ability to feel or even process what we want in life are we robbed of?âŠ.Itâs like an assault on honesty.â
Welcome to Madison Avenue, where consumer culture meets âscienceâ –
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Another commenter called psychiatry âopportunistic medicineâ and farmorâs words explain why this rings true:
âThe psychiatrists, however, see us at our lowest ebb and pretty defenseless, unable to advocate for ourselves or readily believed, and desperately seeking answers wherever we may find them.â
Can you guess what most psychiatrists call self-advocacy? If you say ânoncomplianceâ, youâre right!
âI now know that ALL DSM so-called âdiagnosesâ are simply different styles of coping mechanisms and not brain âdisordersâ.
Thank you farmor for stating these important truths so clearly and succinctly.
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Louisa says, âWe, as a culture, are indoctrinated into believing that unless we are goal driven and seeking personal satisfaction at all times, there is something wrong with us.â
Thank you for beautifully articulating whatâs wrong with our culture. Itâs the result of living in a society driven by constant striving for physical, emotional, social, and âprofessionalâ perfection. And anyone who doesnât follow the party line of âgo go go for more more moreâ, or who falls apart from trying to conform to this social tyranny, runs the risk of being pathologized and âmedicatedâ. I think itâs one of the reasons behind affluenza.
People should quit depending on âresultsâ from âstudiesâ and instead start looking for REASONS why theyâre feeling the way theyâre feeling. Then maybe theyâd realize thereâs nothing âwrongâ WITH THEM â
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Maybe RCTâs should now be called the foolâs gold standard –
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Joshua explains how psychiatry and the legal system often play a big part in the continuation of intergenerational trauma.
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Actually, I donât think most psychiatrists are afraid of their gut feelings; I think most have become so disconnected from their gut feelings that they no longer know what gut feelings are. But thatâs what most psychiatry is all about â being disconnected.
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farmor says, âThe psychiatrists, however, see us at our lowest ebb and pretty defenseless, unable to advocate for ourselves or readily believed, and desperately seeking answers wherever we may find them.â
Another commenter calls psychiatry âopportunistic medicineâ, and farmorâs words explain why.
ââŠALL DSM so-called diagnoses are simply different styles of coping mechanisms and not brain âdisordersâ.
Thank you farmor for stating these important truths so clearly and succinctly.
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What is it about making drugs in a pharmaceutical lab that makes people think pharmaceuticals are less hazardous to their health than the nicotine in tobacco or the alcohol in fermented grapes?
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Most psychiatrists arenât wired to be empathic; most are wired to dominate. And psychiatristsâ urge to dominate is soothed by having people dependent on them and their drugs which separate people from their gut feelings. I think most psychiatrists are afraid of their own gut feelings, which is why they spent their lives alienating people from theirs.
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Why canât these âscientistsâ see that their efforts to digitally explain âhuman cognitionâ is like trying to defy the laws of gravity?
But sometimes itâs best to leave people to their digital navel-gazing.
And what is naval gazing?
Self indulgent or excessive contemplation of oneself or a single issue, at the expense if a wider view
And yet, for all their overheated efforts to digitally explain human cognition, I canât help but wonder if they know the difference between consciousness and conscience, never mind âcognitionâ. But something tells me that even if they do, it wouldnât make any difference –
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Because in all my pain, fear, and confusion, I was thoroughly brainwashed by the lie I was told by psychiatry (which further scared me out of my wits), the one where they tell patients, âYouâll need these medications the rest of your life.â And also because in my family, psychiatry was thought to be a legitimate resource. And I was raised to always be compliant with âdoctorsâ ordersâ.
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Thank you KateL, for the link to the Los Angeles Times article.
I hope someday thereâll be a way for people get the support they need (and I donât mean pharmaceutical support) before finding themselves on the street at the mercy of street psychiatry.
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But patients have the right to expect courtesy and decency in all health care settings, including those regarding âmental healthâ, but sadly this is not always the case by any means.
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âThen on a regular visit to my psychiatrist I asked that my meds be decreasedâŠ.He instead prescribed a fifth medicationâ.
I can relate to this. Itâs psychiatryâs modus operandi.
âStanding in line at the pharmacy it just hit me that I couldnât do this anymoreâŠâ
I can relate to this, too.
Iâm so sorry for what youâve gone through. But thank you for writing this. And I hope you also write a book because I believe someone reading it will be spared what you so aptly refer to as psychiatryâs âiatrogenic hellâ. And I think âMadness to Miraclesâ would be a great title.
I wish you continued improvements in your overall health and a restoration of a relationship with your children.
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And most medical training breeds an institutionalized arrogance in young students who are not in a position to question their professors.
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Thank you for this podcast. Itâs one of the best things Iâve ever heard or read.
It was over three decades ago when I said to myself, âSomeday, what Iâm going through will be publicly acknowledged and addressed by someone in an understandable way that has a chance of making a meaningful differenceâ
I can now say Iâve lived to see that day.
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Potentially punitive means avoiding lawsuits –
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Some say learning to adapt (desensitization) is the only way to survive medical school. But problems occur if medical students go from desensitization to internalization, meaning unconsciously repeating whatâs experienced on undeserving people, which eventually could be their patients.
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Iâve often thought the reason so many medical doctors are the way they are (lacking compassion, patient-blaming) is because theyâve had to learn to adapt to (and some would say survive) the uniquely stressful, competitive, and potentially punitive (legally, that is) learning environment of medical school and medical practice. And while medical training is rigorous, and at times even brutal, some would argue this is necessary for weeding out substandard students, meaning when someoneâs life is on the line, whatâs most important is the patientâs life, and not some over-confident medical studentâs swollen ego. Some say itâs the only way to survive the emotionally, academically, (and potentially professionally) cut-throat environment that is medical school. And medical students desensitization and subsequent internalization of seemingly hostile training tactics can result in them eventually (though unconsciously) taking out their long-buried frustrations on their patients. But what many doctors fail to realize is that what theyâve chosen to endure does not give them the right to treat patients with the same disrespect. In other words, they donât realize that what theyâve chosen to subject themselves to is the opposite of what people have a right to except in their everyday lives, which is courtesy and decency. And though I agree with Alice Millerâs theory that such destructive interpersonal attitudes, dynamics, and behaviors often begin in childhood, it doesnât excuse such behavior, especially from those trained to help others.
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What is âcomputational neuroscienceâ?
Psychiatryâs vain attempt to move beyond its drug-laced psychobabble –
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Whatâs âcomputational neuroscienceâ?
High tech Frankenscience.
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Too bad some people donât know the difference between neuro-science and neuro-nonsense. Then maybe theyâd see all theyâre doing is making high tech Rorschach tests.
Which leads to the conclusion that some people donât know the difference between intellect and wisdom.
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ââŠmore than ever, needs to embraceâŠâ
Wow. Using such wording only proves some âscientistsâ actually DO still believe in the Tooth Fairy – the âpsychiatricâ Tooth Fairy, that is –
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Most people, when given half a chance, (which is something most psychiatrists, as well as other therapists, rarely allow people to do), are more than capable of using their own (surprise! surprise!) critical thinking. But by gosh, golly and gee whizâŠisnât it amazing when even MORE problems arise AFTER people start seeing mainstream psychiatrists, (or, can you guess?) even a somewhat less toxic therapist. But the facts are, when people are faced with, and then summarily bulldozed by, mainstream psychiatry, itâs miserable myriad of myths, means and methods result in adding even MORE misery to peopleâs original problems. And then having to come to grips with the bullshit that is psychiatry is a challenge unlike any other, and something most people wish theyâd somehow found a way to avoid. These are some obvious facts seemingly unbeknownst to the author. Maybe she should have spent more time with those who donât have a vested interest in promoting some variation of mainstream psychiatryâs party line of diagnose, drugs, or some such piddly-doo idea of âpsychotherapyâ.
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What is anal retentive?
Someone with an extreme need to control their environment.
That about sums up most psychiatrists, and btw, more than a few âmental health professionalsâ.
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Johanna says, âI also find it interesting that Charlotte has talked only to âclinicians, academics, writers, scientists and journalistsâ – to people who have successful careers and who are probably middle class.â
I found it more than interesting. I found it disheartening and more than a little disturbing.
Johanna further states, âThe most oppressed people know the most about the damage and humiliation caused by psychiatry.â
And therefore have the most to say, imo. I wonder if Charlotte knows this, or perhaps she harbors an unconscious bias against those with the most hardships, as can sometimes be the case with those fortunate enough to have fewer hardships.
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I donât think being a critic has to be so complicated, or controversial, and certainly not contentious. Itâs just learning to think for yourself, to not automatically accept what someone says, no matter who says it, especially some âexpertâ. Itâs called having your own opinion. But that can be a problem for some people, especially those who call themselves mainstream psychiatrists, you know, those pesky, hopelessly anal retentive âprofessionalsâ who invariably resort to engaging in tightly controlled, diagnostically measured temper tantrums. Just picture them furiously fumbling through their precious DSMs whenever their âpatientsâ dare to have the temerity to voice their own opinions. Which just goes to show that psychiatrists are the very definition of control freaks. But psychiatrists arenât the only ones; thereâs lots of diagnostically demented fruitcakes running around, frantically waving one or another essentially meaningless degree, political persuasion, or any other ideological narrative that suits their purposes, breathlessly proclaiming to have âthe answerâ to everyoneâs problems. But therein lies the problem, and itâs a stubborn one at that, because itâs rooted in the bullshit called psychiatry, and by association, that cesspool some fondly refer to as the âmental health systemâ. Such believers are fruitcakes, (to say the least, imo), as it has become quite a conundrum for too many people. But most psychiatrists donât see any problems, (and certainly not in themselves!) because most, as I previously stated, are hopelessly (but happily!) anal retentive in maintaining their psychiatric, and therefore narrow minded, attitudes. To use a crude analogy: most mental health professionals, and psychiatrists in particular, have sticks up their âclinicalâ asses. But no matter what people decide to call themselves, whether âcriticâ this, or âantiâ that, or, lo and behold, nothing at all, itâs best to avoid those wedded to such a suffocatingly perverse system. Simply put, mainstream psychiatry and its assorted minions are troublemakers who use diagnoses and drugs to do their dirty work, âworkâ that does little more than confound us all, and ends up actually poisoning way too many, which is why websites like this have come to exist. Because after all, who wants their private pains used to fuel some âexpertâsâ inflated ego, or worse yet, used as some psychiatristâs hapless lab rat. Unfortunately, âpatientsâ are used to satisfy these and other selfish ends, namely, their big egos and big pockets to match. So it pays to be skeptical of those with reputations to protect and egos to coddle, egos so big they canât see beyond themselves, that, more often than not, belong to none other than the âclinicalâ professionals, researchers, academics, and, believe it or not, even some writers and journalists, most of whom would do well to more than occasionally eat a fair amount of humble pie.
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Beans says, âTrust in haste, regret at leisureâ â
I wish Iâd heard this before I walked into a psychiatristâs office, or any other âmental health professionalâ for that matter. It should be printed in big block letters on the doors and websites of all these assorted quacks, ESPECIALLY the m.d.âs.
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What is pareidolia?
The illusory perception of meaningful patterns or images of familiar things in random or amorphous data, as a face seen on the moon.
Sounds like neuropsychiatry to me.
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âUltimately, this type of study takes a massive chaotic mess of data points, and attempts to find a signal in that noise, even when no true signal existsâthe technological version of pareidoliaâ –
I love the above statement. It describes exactly what mainstream psychiatry is trying to do in yet another effort to be taken seriously. And the last quoted paragraph is a good example of its wilting pseudoscientific word salad:
âWe contend that neuroimaging research in psychiatry, more than ever, needs to embrace theoretical frameworks derived from basic and computational neuroscience.â
ââŠmore than everâ? Really? But havenât they heard? Wishful thinking isnât science, no matter how much they believe in the Tooth Fairy. But apparently no oneâs taught them that the human brain-mind-psyche-soul-spirit canât be reduced to a mathematical equation, no matter how good holding that notion makes them feel about themselves as researchers.
âThis includes addressing how high-dimensional neural activity supports cognition, coupled with formulating testable predictions as to behavioral and symptomatic consequences of disruptions to these processes.â
WowâŠhigh dimensional neural activity⊠but wait a minute â havenât they heard of Pavlovâs despicable dog experiments? To which theyâll undoubtedly respond with something along the lines of, âWhat weâre doing is much more sophisticated!â. Oh yeah. âSophisticatedâ. Well, Iâve said it before, and Iâll say it again â phrenologyâs phrenology, even if it is high tech. Capiche???
âArguably, an urgent necessity is to view symptoms through the lens of computational models of cognition, bridging a gap between knowledge articulated at different levels of analysis (from neural to behavioral) and in different species.â
(Didnât I just mention Pavlovâs dog experiments?) And as for âurgent necessityâ â WHOâS âurgent necessityâ? This statement reveals their ever urgent quest to be taken seriously as a medical science. Well good luck with that. Too bad they canât see statements like this just scream desperation, and how addicted they are to believing in certainty, which, btw, is a telltale sign of their cultish mindset.
Why donât these people do themselves and everyone else a favor and just stick to computer science? The next time they get the urge to spout off more of their pseudoscientific nonsense, they oughta to look up the word âpareidoliaâ. Thatâll tell âem all they need to know.
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An article worth reading: âPsychiatrists: the drug pushersâ by Will Self in The Guardian –
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This article shows how easy it is for therapists to be more concerned with playing âthe expertâ than actually helping people.
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Robert,
Thank you for sharing your story.
My experience is similar to yours in that searching the internet is how I found alternatives to psychiatryâs medical model. And I think itâs beyond unfortunate how misguided most psych practitioners currently are. But I hope stories like yours will soon be the norm.
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This article proves that most problems in âpsychotherapyâ are with the therapists themselves, most of whom donât bother to practice the basics of helpful human relationships, which happen to be courtesy and respect, the lack of which is endemic to most âpsychotherapyâ.
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The problems listed in this article arenât limited to youth or mental health emergency service providers – itâs how much of psychotherapy is conducted. And therapists give it a fancy name: âpower imbalanceâ, which is code for âtherapists knows better than the patient/clientâ, which speaks volumes about whatâs going on in many therapistsâ heads and why: an unquenchable thirst for ego gratification/grandiosity, an obsessive desire for control and need to be seen as ârightâ – in other words, to be seen as an âexpertâ. Itâs professionalized psychological abuse.
And contrary to what most therapists would have people think, the solutions arenât rocket science, as the above article offers five common sense solutions anyone can learn:
1. Recognize and accept anotherâs experience (validation)
2. Commend them for seeking help (legitimize)
3. Seeing the person as an individual, not as a problem to be solved (donât objectify)
4. See people as capable of helping themselves to the extent they choose (respect their agency)
5. Let people make their own choices (quit being a know-it-all and telling them what to do)
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Davis Hume,
Your comment-question sounds like logical fallacy.
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Psychiatric knowledge isnât âeducationâ, itâs pharmaceutically funded indoctrination.
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rebel,
Just so you know, Iâm not blaming capitalism for creating psychiatry. But I do think it exploits/perpetuates psychiatryâs worst components: its DSM labels and psych drugs. And this happens because psych drugs are one of the economyâs biggest money-makers. And incidentally, Iâm not against capitalism â just lies, coercion and bribery â in other words, corruption â which is the key component of established psychiatry and its ever-faithful cohort, the psych drug industry.
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Things get even more screwed up if people are made to think somethingâs wrong WITH THEM. And this is especially true for youngsters who internalize the messages adults give them. And itâs an invasion of privacy to single kids out for something as personal as their feelings, as a group or individually. It just makes them inappropriately self-conscious and targets for teasing/bullying. If you want to help kids, donât single them out by forcing them to take a course or talk unless they chose to. Just post signs saying private counseling is available.
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Hereâs psychiatryâs shamed-based medical model:
Psych labels>SHAME>psych drugs>SHAME>iatrogenic illness>SHAME>ruined life>SHAME = SELF-BLAME.
Thanks psychiatry. Youâre doing a great job!
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Dear rebel,
Youâve managed to keep up your most important obligation: the one to yourself, which is very admirable in this day and age when weâre saturated with infantilizing messages from established psychiatry. And you do this with a curious mind and open heart. Thereâs nothing crazy or old about that.
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Harper West says, âThis labeling is a severe humiliation and a trauma compounded by the damage of the medications. Using a shame-informed case formulation in psychotherapy and ditching the âmedical modelâ will save thousands of lives a year.â
Severe humiliation and trauma. Thatâs psychiatry in a nutshell.
Psych label>trauma>psych drugs>trauma>iatrogenic illness>trauma=ruined lives. And it all starts with a DSM label. Way to go, psychiatry!
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âŠand no more funds for their scientific flights of fancy (brain chemistry/âcircuitryâ), meaning no more pushing their âblue pillsâ.
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Established psychiatry is the Church of Mediocrity, meaning it refuses to seriously reconsider its methods (medical model) and question its motives ($$$). And this is because enlightened thinking threatens its status, meaning no more pharmaceutical bribes and pricey book deals.
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rebel,
It sounds like youâve been through a lot, and then walking away from psychiatry takes courage, as itâs no small feat. You deserve much credit for that.
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rebel,
Yes, life is challenging, but Iâm glad things eventually worked out for you regarding psychiatry.
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rebel,
I agree that the biggest issue with psychiatry is its incessant drugging, and by extension its type of therapy (disease model, DSM, etc.) But the first step is an awareness that thereâs viable alternatives to traditional psychiatry, and MIA is that first step for many people. Knowledge is key.
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KateL says, âWhat youâre talking about is a religion or a cult. Psychiatry is trying to pass off their treatmentâŠ.as medicine.â
Yup. Established psychiatryâs a pill-popping cult masquerading as medicine. And thatâs the unvarnished truth.
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But established psychiatrists have proven one thing: theyâll keep blowing and blowing and blowing till the cows come home with next to nothing to show for it – but they make whatever theyâre doing into a horseâs prayer so it sounds like theyâre actually getting somewhere.
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rebel,
Thank you for your thoughtful apology. I truly appreciate it. And youâre right – psychiatry doesnât understand very much. But Iâm an optimist, too!
Birdsong
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l_e_cox,
Human nature exists, confused or not. And disagreement is not confusion, itâs a matter of seeing things differently, which is part of being human, and no amount of intellectualizing can change this.
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And what does established psychiatry resemble?
People making a wish while trying to blow out candles that never go out on their birthday cake, year after year after yearâŠ..
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Steve says, âIn actual point of fact, it is almost always the SUPPRESSION of their own emotions and experience that CAUSES their âmental illnessâ in the first place!âŠOther than âsurgeryâ on the brain, itâs hard to think of anything worse that one could do than the label/blame/drug model that the DSM was constructed to encourage and justify.â
Most âmental illnessâ is the result of painful, unprocessed emotions that psych drugs suppress. And I think most âprofessionalsâ use the DSM as a coping mechanism to avoid facing their own painful memories. Itâs a massive cop-out, as DSM stands for Denial, Suppression and Mute.
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Most psychiatrists refuse to either shit or get off the pot because they canât produce truth and they know it.
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rebel,
Many people see psychiatry as having way too much power that it does not deserve. And many governments in the western world use psychiatryâs labels to legally decide if people are able to compete in the workplace, thus enabling them to receive disability benefits, which means psychiatry has a great deal of power.
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rebel,
Please go back and read what I wrote.
I said capitalism has existed IN SOME FORM. And I wasnât referring to the differences between capitalism and feudalism – I was referring to the similarities, of which there are more than a few.
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l_e_cox says, âBut itâs not rational to tear down others to âget aheadâ is it?â
But youâre dealing with human beings who are never entirely rational. And this includes psychiatrists.
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l_e_cox,
I wasnât confused about the meaning of capitalism as I did use a dictionary. And it is not rational to tear down others, so please donât assume Iâm confused and didnât use a dictionary.
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l_e_cox,
I wasnât confused about the meaning of capitalism as I did use a dictionary. And it is not rational to tear down others, so please donât assume Iâm confused and didnât use a dictionary.
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And capitalism uses psychiatry to label those unable or unwilling to compete in the workplace.
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And why do some people take advantage of others?
Thereâs lots of reasons. Some are greedy, and some are needy. But both are associated with the drive/instinct to survive, which is part of human nature.
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Some people see capitalism as opportunity, while others see it as exploitation. And technology offers new and faster ways of doing both.
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l_e_cox says, âSanity is the only sane reaction to an insane society.â
Sanity means different things to different people. But I think Szasz was referring to those having a hard time with reality as they experience it.
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rebel says, ââŠ. itâs definitely NOT capitalism that is the problem; but that we are now a technocracyâŠ.This is NOT capitalism. This is human weakness.â
For some, capitalism means a way of doing business, while for others it means exploitation. And capitalism/exploitation has existed in some form since ancient times, (i.e. slave labor, feudalism, etc.) And technology has changed how we live and do business, in good ways and bad. But while methods have changed, motivations/human weakness has not.
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l_e_cox says, âl donât know what a pre-capitalist society is supposed to beâŠ.Why did we choose business and corporate structures? Why did we agree to it?â
I think Dr. Moncreiff was referring to pre-industrialized societies. But some form of capitalism has been around since ancient times. And business/corporate structures evolved along with it. And the reasons were/are to maximum profit/create wealth for the owners with wages for workers. Some people see this as a good thing, while others see exploitation. But going back to your question, âWhy did we agree to it?â Because people need to eat/survive and others take unfair advantage of that.
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Wren says, ââŠyears of âtrauma-informed careâ which dictated to me my wants and needs, rewrote my life experience, destroyed my sense of self, erased my personhood, violated my boundaries,
replicated my childhood abuse, (and) ultimately (and ironically) left me more traumatised than before.â
And, âIt all could have been avoided if someone had just listened to me, and seen the person behind the trauma.â
This describes a lot of âtherapyâ, âtrauma-informedâ or not:
1. Dictates wants and needs
2. Rewrites life experiences
3. Destroys sense of self
4. Erases personhood
5. Violates boundaries
6. Replicates childhood trauma
7. Leaves one more traumatized than before
But âjust listeningâ doesnât satisfy most therapistsâ need to exert power over your life – and it certainly doesnât pay their bills.
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AnnaB says, ââŠI donât need to re-live any traumatic event without my permission. I donât need my power taken away from me. And thatâs what it feels like when Iâm not the one to initiate a conversation about my traumatic experiences.â
This is why I never recommend seeing anyone in the mental health system. Healing takes time, patience and privacy – not the intrusive, ham-handed âtechniquesâ used by so-called âtrauma-informed therapistsâ. The initial trauma is bad enough, but âtherapyâ often makes things worse. Itâs not much different from what they did before; theyâre just using different words to validate themselves at your expense.
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l_e_cox asks, ââŠwhat drove us here?â
Reading the MIA article âThe Functions of the Mental Health System Under Capitalismâ by Joanna Moncreiff MD explains a lot.
âWhereas in pre-capitalist societies most people could do some useful work in the community, in the capitalist system labour only has economic value if it attains levels of productivity sufficient to generate profit for the capitalistâŠâŠThe organization of production under capitalism generates many of the problems we call mental disordersâŠ..much of the current mental illness epidemic (that) is so closely linked to financial insecurity, debt, lack of housing, loneliness, fear or feelings of failure and lack of purpose.â
âInsanity is the only sane reaction to an insane society.â
– Thomas Stephen Szasz
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rebel says, ââŠmost humans faceâŠthe vulnerability to suggestion. We are all naturally gullibleâŠThe most manipulative of psychiatrists and therapists take advantage of thisâŠthere are those who do it unknowingly, too.â
Yes, we are all naturally gullible. And âpsych professionalsâ are among the most gullible, as most have no idea theyâve been subliminally seduced by their training, as their desire to be seen as âthe expertâ influences most âpsych professionalsâ in ways theyâre loathe to admit, which makes it a question of character.
Steve says, ââŠthe DSM enables the âprofessionalsâ to blame the âclientsâ for their own (the professionalsâ) discomfort with the helping processâŠthe very WORST thingâŠis to put the client at a distance by providing a labelâŠto call his/her experience âsymptomsâ caused by a faulty brain that needs to be suppressed!â
And this is why the âmental health industryâ has no claim to integrity, which is also a question of character.
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I totally agree that most of whatâs classified as âcrazyâ in the DSM are coping mechanisms that are no longer helpful. And I also think most psych professionals unconsciously use the DSM as their own coping mechanism to avoid facing their own unresolved conflicts.
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Yes, I agree the habitual/unconscious can cause some of the most thorny problems. For me, itâs a process of becoming aware of whatâs going on, and then questioning the reasons/motivations behind it.
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Steve says, âMessing with the âhardwareâ is a dumb way to solve a âsoftwareâ problem, let alone a problem with the programmer him/herself!â
I like your analogy. It makes a lot of sense.
I see greed and survival as coping mechanisms/reactions to lifeâs demands/stimuli. But I find the search for mental mechanisms rather disturbing – almost frankensteinian – as it seems intent on defying/denying the human element – which is akin to bio-psychiatry.
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l_e_cox says, âThe human psyche normally contains various mental mechanisms that tend to result in self-defeating responses or self-harm when confronted by various stimuli.â
Sounds a lot like bio-psychiatry.
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And be sure to let us know in a million years if youâve figured it out.
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l_e_cox says, âThe human psyche normally contains various mental mechanisms that tend to result in self-defeating responses when confronted by various stimuli.â
In other words, you believe in bio-psychiatry.
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I addressed the mechanisms: greed and survival –
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To l_e_cox,
Apparently, you only read the first half of my comment, as in the second half I mentioned greed and survival as being the mechanisms at work in the situation.
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Steve says, âDepression screenings are a scam and should be illegal.â
The YouTube video âPsychiatry & Big Pharma Exposed – Dr. James Davies, PhDâ shows just how much of a scam it all is, and leaves no doubt as to whatâs really going on.
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KateL says, âBorderline is psychiatryâs invitation to men to abuse women who are angry, who donât smile enough, who arenât impressed.â
This is the truth, through and through.
Psychiatry and misogyny go hand in hand, meaning you canât have one without the other, meaning if youâre a woman, you better get ready to kowtow.
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l_e_cox asks, ââŠwhat drove us here?â
Two things:
1. Laws that changed healthcare into Big Business
2. Technological advances that drove up costs
ââŠ.there must be some sort of self-defeating mechanism built into the human psycheâŠâ
Whatâs the mechanism?
Itâs greed for some, survival for others.
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Marie says, ââŠscreening because providers and drug companies see it as a way to make moneyâŠâ
This is exactly whatâs going on. Itâs all part of the drug companiesâ marketing scheme; they write the tests and find the screenings to sell more psych drugs, and mainstream psychiatry happily plays along.
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Thank you, Rosalee D. I like your comments, too.
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Richard,
Political solutions are iffy at best, because theyâre always subject to the winds of change.
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Character comes down to a question of values – or lack thereof. And mainstream psychiatrists rarely question the VALIDITY of what they do – much less the VALUE of it. And if they do, itâs not much more than a lot of self congratulatory lip service, with psychiatry ALWAYS saving the day!!! And because psychiatrists arenât burdened with those pesky objective medical tests, theyâre able to skate on byâŠ..
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And no matter the politics, psychiatry has always been some form of âblame the patientâ – from Freud to pharmacy.
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ââŠ..Asking these questions today makes one a heretic, but Marx and Spinoza would be unintimidated by the prospect of such a diagnosis.â
And todayâs consequences can be almost as bad, and for some even worse –
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Even more disturbing is how most psychiatrists NEVER EVEN BEGIN to question what theyâre doing or why theyâre doing it, as theyâre happy to follow the trail of pills Big Pharma leaves out for them, while other âmental health professionalsâ happily follow their DSM –
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In Spinozaâs time, what did the rulings classes fear the most?
Religious heretics.
In todayâs world, what do âmental health professionalsâ fear the most?
âNon-compliantâ clients.
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âSpinoza would be interested in the DSMâ ironically called the âbible of psychiatryâ â because of its political implicationsâŠ.and he would likely be troubled by how the false idea that the DSM is scientific provides power for its professional interpreters.â
Yes, and most psychiatrists (and other âmental health professionalsâ) believe using the word âscientificâ covers their multitude of sins.
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John Hoggett says, âThe mental health industry is a core way capitalism continues, itâs ideology is part of the way modern capitalism is maintained, we are all sick in the head now, not miserable because of the poverty of everyday life.â
Most psych professionals let themselves be lulled into a diagnostic trance from reading and believing the DSMâs innumerable diagnostic fairy tales, that, btw, ALWAYS have a happy ending – FOR THEM – because after every diagnosis is a code that means one thing: $$$âŠâŠ
MIAâs âCapitalism and the Biomedical Model of Mental Healthâ, by Micah Ingle, MA
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Some say capitalism is flawed, while others say socialism and communism are flawed as well. But all three use mainstream psychiatry in the same way, which means psychiatry isnât about health or science or medicine – itâs about who holds power. On a small scale, itâs drug dealing, and on a large scale, itâs used as a tool for social control.
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And Lisa A. Romanoâs YouTube videos and books are another outstanding resource for dealing with narcissistic abuse –
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rebel says, âWe can no longer live in a world where brains can be neutralized and also falsely blame it in capitalism. If our country was instead a country of socialism or communism, psychiatry would have gone to bed with them. The same is truth for Big Pharma. Changing the political/economic system will not change psychiatry.â
This is absolutely true. But mainstream psychiatry and capitalism sustain each other, with Big Pharma right alongside. But youâre right – it doesnât matter what governmental system is in place, and itâs already being used by other systems, often in an even more authoritarian way.
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KateL asks, âWhy is psychiatry the most despised branch of medicineâ?
Because mainstream psychiatrists have too much power and misrepresent what they do.
âPsychiatry: A Branch of the Lawâ, by Thomas S. Szasz, fee.org/articles/psychiatry-a-branch-of-the-law/
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John Hoggett says, ââŠcapitalism and psychiatry are entwinedâŠ.â
Yes, very true. Capitalism and psychiatry reinforce each other, because mainstream psychiatryâs a form of eugenics and modern psychologyâs not much better. And it stays this way because those with degrees can charge large fees.
MIAâs âPsychiatric Eugenics Then and Now – You Betcha Itâs Still Happeningâ, by Bonnie Burstow PhD
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Dr. Scullâs latest book is aptly tilted âDesperate Remedies: Psychiatryâs Turbulent Quest to Cure Mental Illnessâ. It shows mainstream psychiatry for what it is – a dirty, but no longer desperate, business, ever since it fell into bed with the pharmaceutical industry, that is. But itâs more realistic to say it still hides under a rock.
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KateL says, âWhy is psychiatry the most despised form of medicine?â
Because psychiatrists have too much power and misrepresent what they do.
Psychiatry: A Branch of the Lawâ by Thomas S. Szasz, fee.org/articles/psychiatry-a-branch-of-the-law/
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John Hoggett says, ââŠ.capitalism and psychiatry are entwinedâŠâ
Yes, very true. Capitalism and psychiatry reinforce each other, because psychiatryâs a form of eugenics, and modern psychologyâs not much better. And it stays this way because those with degrees can charge large fees.
MIAâs âPsychiatric Eugenics Then and Now – You Betcha Itâs Still Happeningâ by Bonnie Burstow Ph.D
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Thank you! It just popped into my head because psychiatryâs premise is so false, and its medical routine is so staged and scripted, almost like some really bad performance art –
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And itâs probably true that itâs not a matter of individual narcissism in most cases, but a matter of cultural bias. But itâs especially heinous when thereâs a whole system supporting it, (i.e. the mental health system).
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Steve says, ââŠ.a system that treats âthe mentally illâ as objects or lesser humansâŠ.the system trains people to DISCRIMINATE against âthe mentally illââŠ.Itâs not a matter of individual narcissism in most casesâŠ.Itâs a cultural bias of disrespect and prejudiceâŠâ
I think your assessment of the situation is the right one. But narcissistic or not, the situation creates problems for people that they otherwise wouldnât have. And it seems narcissistic when one personâs âeducated opinionâ supposedly carries more weight than anotherâs, i.e. therapist/client. And diagnoses makes people societyâs scapegoat. This alone is traumatizing.
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Youâre most welcome, DW
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There are some ethical people in the mental health system, and they deserve a lot of credit for working behind enemy lines. But thatâs the problem – itâs enemy lines. Now what does that mean? It means the systemâs not a good place. And no amount of good people can change that. How can they, when theyâre forced to work within the confines of a narcissistic system? The features are analogous:
Therapeutic Relationship = Power Imbalance = Trauma Bond, etcâŠThatâs what makes it a set up for failure. Itâs narcissism run amok.
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Susannah says, âShe (Alice Miller) has given me the safety, understanding, validation and advocacy that has allowed my healing to unfurl like no one else hadâ.
I experienced these same incredible feelings, as Alice Millerâs work is truly that remarkable. She did everything psychotherapists lay claim to, but theyâre often nowhere close to delivering.
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Susannah,
Thank you for sharing so much interesting information. Itâs a fascinating topic worthy of much thought and discussion.
Iâd heard bits here and there about the existence of indigenous tribes that were, or are, structured in peaceful, egalitarian ways, and their methods for handling members whose egos got out of control. To me, these made sense because bad feelings effect harmony, and survival depends on everyone cooperating in harmony. And their methods for those who didnât keep their pride in check were, for the most part, successful, because the offender had nowhere to hide. Respect for others ruled the day.
And I definitely agree that unchecked narcissism has everything to do with going from egalitarian, nature-based tribes to the unjust, organized chaos it is now. I think this happened gradually as societies became more complex, with all kinds of innovations that led to more wealth and eventual trade with other societies. And this led to hierarchical organization that may have led to interpersonal jealousies/power struggles, that may have led to wars, that definitely led to where things are today – a constant struggle for world dominance, which is, in its essence, unchecked narcissism.
And itâs really interesting to consider what caused the âinitial failure of those checks on narcissismâ, or why so many people in the tribe became too traumatized to heal. Maybe something happened, like a natural disaster, or the spread of a deadly disease that instilled fear in the tribe that caused a traumatized leader to take charge.
Thank you for the links. Itâs good to know some people are taking a critical look at how and why we live in such a narcissistically-driven world. And the question is, can anything be done? And for that I have no answer.
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Many people who choose to be therapists have good intentions to start with. And many claim to have worked on their own pain. But if that were true, why do they still believe in the mental health system? And what makes them unaware of the harm theyâre capable of doing? I believe itâs because the psych profession attracts mostly narcissists – who start off benign, but quickly turn malignant under the pressures of training and practice.
Maybe psych professionals should take another look at the Moral Treatment Movement. Then they might see how things went to hell in a hand basket as soon as the medical profession got involved. Because THATâS where a lot of the trouble starts.
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Joshua,
Thanks for the excellent video link –
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Dear DW,
You havenât upset my week at all, but thank you for your thoughtfulness.
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Thank you, DW. I rather like you, too.
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Yes, crazy is often used disrespectfully, but I used it to show a respectful alternative (upset), because a lot of people tune out technical or psychobabbly words, myself included.
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Yes, Steve, I believe a lot of people approach being a therapist with good intentions, but Iâm convinced something happens to them on their way to becoming a therapist.
I see the whole setup as ripe for abuse: diagnoses, drugs, power imbalance, fees, clients expected to trust a total stranger, and the therapistâs insecurities and agendas ad infinitum. I just found the whole process painfully undermining and totally insulting, even with people I liked and trusted. And I never felt good about myself until after I read Alice Miller – good enough to dump both therapy AND the psych drugs. And Iâve never felt the slightest desire or need to return to either, and itâs been six and a half years of feeling like myself again.
Your approach to helping people is what it needs to be – if there has to be therapy at all. Itâs just being there for another human being without abandoning them or imposing your own agenda. Itâs what parents need to be for their children, and what friends need to be for each other. And anyone who thinks they need a âdegreeâ for that has no business trying to help people.
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People voicing their own opinions doesnât mean theyâre bullies –
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People arenât crazy. They just get upset. Sometimes to extremes, but upset nonetheless.
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And Inner Integration is another wonderful approach for dealing with narcissistic abuse.
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Steve says,
âThe main qualifications for a therapist is not degree or training or years of experience. Itâs the degree to which they have dealt with their own childhood trauma and disappointments and enforced roles. Alice Miller got it right!â –
Thank you for saying this. Hearing it from a mental health professional means a lot.
I think training to be a therapist makes most people narcissistic.
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Susannah,
Iâm delighted and thankful to know how much Alice Millerâs books have helped you. It makes me feel vindicated!
I firmly believe if more people knew of her ideas, fewer would seek psychotherapy or psych drugs. And somatic therapy can lead to psychic healing. I think it helps people become aware of how psychic tension is stored in the body.
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Thank you Susannah.
Itâs really hard to see narcissism, even if itâs pointed out, because you go with what you know, and too often thatâs abuse in some form. But thatâs what makes Alice Millerâs work so important; she exposes narcissistic abuse in a lot of its forms.
And I agree that unchecked narcissism causes civilizations to develop and metastasize. But human nature being what it is, Iâd assumed that narcissism has always been around to some degree. But it definitely runs rampant in advanced civilizations. It seems the more goods (and services), the more greed.
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If more people read Alice Millerâs books, fewer would end up in a therapistâs office. And it would send psychiatrists packing –
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Yes Susannah, transformative is the word! Reading âThe Drama of the Gifted Childâ changed my life.
I wish her ideas were more widely known and accepted, but the way she thinks is too threatening for the status quo.
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Narcissistic abuse can happen anywhere, and a therapistâs office is no exception.
Itâs a matter of âbetter the devil you know, than the devil you donâtâ.
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Psychiatric drugs donât âchemically treatâ anything. Theyâre industrial strength emotional insecticides that CHEMICALLY TRAUMATIZE the brain and body. They create iatrogenic illness that become versions of PTSD. It could be referred to as I-PTSD: iatrogenic post traumatic stress disorder. But some people are lucky enough to only be numbed out – but calling either one âmedicineâ is pretty disgusting.
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The problem is narcissism often wears the badge of authority: psychiatrists, psychologists, etc. And some say the therapeutic model, (medical or otherwise) follows the narcissistâs template of emotional abuse: love bombing, devaluation, discard, etc.
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ââŠ.psychiatrists abuse their patients instead of facing their own childhood pain and traumaâ –
A lot of psychotherapists do this too, but usually in a less heavy handed way.
Instead of relying so much on psychiatryâs pseudoscience (diagnoses, drugs), they search their grab bag of intellectualized ego trips (âtheoriesâ, âtreatmentsâ) to distract themselves from facing their own painful memories. Itâs a sophisticated form gaslighting (denial) done in a professional setting, which is what makes it so uniquely damaging to people. Itâs what makes the âmental health systemâ as narcissistic as anything else.
Most difficulties boil down to unchecked narcissism. It begins in childhood and plays out in adulthood in lifeâs many arenas: family, schools, workplaces, religions, governments, countries. Itâs the story of humanity.
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KateL,
Iâm very sorry for all youâre going through right now. I wish your landlord and other services could be more responsive to you. And itâs not you fault.
It is good to know some psychiatrists are admitting inconsistencies (lies, really). But the shock of learning how youâve been misled takes a while to subside. But know it will. And I think more and more people are wising up to psychiatry every day, and this is reason for much hope.
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The subtlety used by narcissistic therapists is what makes choosing a therapist such a hazardous path. The smooth introductions and subsequent schmoozing narcissistic therapists use can easily persuade and hide a narcissistic therapistâs covert manipulation. And seeing credentials on the wall completes the âclinically disguisedâ seduction. Itâs a potent mix for people already confused and vulnerable.
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Thank you for mentioning Alice Miller. Her groundbreaking books stand alone in pulling back the curtain on our traumatized society.
Another set of YouTube videos on narcissism to check out is Dr. Les Carterâs.
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Whatâs the meaning of the word âbullyâ?
âA person who habitually seeks to harm or intimidate those they perceive as vulnerableâ –
There are many psychologically-based words in vogue today, and narcissism, psychopathy and sociopathy are a few of them. Some say bullying is at the root of these, but most agree these behaviors are as old as time. And many say todayâs mainstream âmental health professionalsâ, are often narcissists, or sociopaths, or even psychopaths in professional disguise, with (mainstream) psychiatrists at the top of the heap –
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And these nine tactics are used by (most) psychiatrists as well.
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I hear you, KateL, and there are many who share your frustrations.
No one knows when, but I believe positive changes are happening right now – slowly but surely – in no small part because of the Internet – which is letting the world finally know the horrors going every day – all in the name of âpsychiatryâ –
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Being a therapist is a great way for narcissists to use their narcissistic tactics. Hereâs a few from their playbook:
1. Feelings of grandiosity – âIâM a therapist, and youâre NOTâ –
2. Needing to influence others – âPeople will listen to ME, because IâM a therapistâ –
3. Exaggerate their abilities – âHealing is impossible without a therapistâ –
4. Craving admiration and acknowledgment – âEVERYONE will know MY name once I get MY books and MY research papers published!â –
5. Loves power and success – âIâll know Iâm a success when clients do whatever I want – through cajoling or threats of forceâ –
6. Believe their skills are âspecialâ – âOnly therapists can do this!â –
7. Believe theyâre owed something ($$$) – âYou have to PAY for what WE doâ –
8. Exploits others – âIâm going to use this clientâs story for a book I plan to write – and Iâm NOT telling them!â –
9. Lacks genuine empathy – âI canât stand this client and would have nothing to do with them if I werenât getting paid for it –
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I firmly believe that psychiatry as we know it today will be gone before the end of this century. And in its place I see limited drugging, markedly different psychotherapy dynamics and protocols, a COMPLETE repudiation and TOTAL dissolution of the DSM, AND AN END TO ALL FORMS OF FORCED TREATMENT –
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Susannah says, âI thought of psychiatric abuse as I was reading this⊠Lack of empathy, violence, gaslighting, victim-blaming⊠exploitation, lack of remorse or conscience⊠it is all there in that systemâ.
And donât forget the DSM – itâs (mainstream) psychiatryâs FAVORITE PLAYBOOK –
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Susannah says, âAnd yes, some therapists can have some of these traits too, even subtly, and that can harm âpatientsâ/âclientsâ, too.â
Narcissistic psychiatrists are easy to spot, but a therapistâs subtlety makes their own narcissism hard see because people are conditioned to believe therapists wonât abuse them. And the âtherapeutic relationshipâ is the ideal setting for therapists to groom people into being their source of narcissistic supply. But this is hard to prove because being âdiagnosedâ harms peopleâs credibility, and itâs a âprofessionalâsâ word against theirs, and the âtherapyâ happens in isolation. Itâs a narcissistâs dream job.
I think the therapy profession is full of narcissists – some benign, but probably a lot more who have varying degrees of malignancy. I think the term âcovert narcissistâ fits a lot of psychotherapists and âmalignant narcissistâ fits a lot psychiatrists. And yes, ââŠit is all there in that (psychiatryâs) systemâŠâ as narcissism is – without a doubt – the architecture of mainstream psychiatry. And no one will ever know because both (psychiatry and therapy) are cloaked in confidentiality.
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Dr. Hickey asks how psychiatrists canât see that psychiatryâs a hoax.
Maybe they do, and are just along for the ride –
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And the words âpsychopathâ and âsociopathâ describe behavior, not âillnessâ, and their listing in the âDSMâ does not validate them as anything –
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Narcissistic is a descriptive word from Greek mythology that was co-opted by Freud to describe self-centered people. Psychiatrists later bastardized it further by plopping the idiot term âdisorderâ after it, then shoved it in the DSM.
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Narcissism is a word from Greek mythology that Freud used to describe self-centered people. Psychiatry later bastardized it further by plopping the idiot term âdisorderâ after it, then shoved it in the DSM.
And FYI – I see everyone as an individual with a free right to hold their own opinion and make their own choices and I would appreciate it if you would do the same.
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Yes, psychiatric abuse is synonymous with narcissistic abuse, and is often more so than psychotherapeutic abuse –
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Another YouTube channel on narcissistic abuse is Dr. Ramani Durvasula – sheâs known as âDr. Ramaniâ –
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Kenâs âCoherence Theory of truthâ is an excellent example of how mainstream psychiatrists intellectualize to hide the fact they donât know what theyâre talking about. But they DO know verbosityâs a great way to distract from their scientific failures.
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âSo if we know they are not even approximately true, why would anyone of a scientific bent even bother to consider them of the slightest value?â
I think itâs called âgrasping at strawsâ –
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ââŠ.yet somehow psychology researchers always find a positive resultâ –
Maybe psych researchers need to research why theyâre afraid of negative results. That way, they might learn something about themselves, and who knows?⊠maybe even about each other! After all, isnât this what psychology is all about?
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AND RUN BY NARCISSISTS –
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Itâs important to keep in mind that many therapists are actually narcissists themselves. In fact, the dynamics of a âtherapeuticâ relationship are not unlike those experienced in a narcissistic relationship. And being a therapist is a great way for narcissists to act out their narcissistic traits:
1. Feelings of grandiosity
2. Needing to influence others
3. Exaggerate their abilities
4. Craving admiration and acknowledgment
5. Loves power and success
6. Believe their skills are special
7. Believe theyâre owed something ($$$)
8. Exploits others i.e. âpatientsâ/clients
9. Lacks empathy (many really donât care or even like their clients, meaning their help is insincere)
And some say the whole âmental health systemâ is built on a narcissistic framework.
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Kenâs âCoherence Theory of truthâ is an excellent example of how mainstream psychiatrists intellectualize to hide the fact they donât know what theyâre talking about. But they DO know verbosityâs a great way to distract from their âscientificâ failures. Itâs their favorite ego-saving strategy, and when combined with their medicalese, it becomes a case of full-on gaslighting –
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Yes, our problems are in the world, and one of those problems is the âmental healthâ system. And politics and economics donât change until peopleâs minds change. And how do peopleâs minds change? Through websites like this –
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Cult in the negative sense is a good way to describe mainstream psychiatry.
Hereâs one definition: ââŠan organized group whose purpose is to dominate cult members through psychological manipulation and pressure strategies âŠ(and) are characterized by:
1. Absolute authoritarianism without accountability
2. Zero tolerance for criticism or questions
These are just two characteristics, but they explain ââŠpsychiatryâs reluctance to reconceptualize its understanding ofâŠ..â ANYTHING!
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Itâs people like the good doctor Ken who use medicine as an excuse to exercise their INFLATED EGOS –
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KateL asks, âWho will tell these people the truth before they do irreparable harm to their future patientsâ?
Itâs probably going to take a lot more time and a lot more people speaking out against it for anything major to happen.
Whatâs important to keep in mind is that the pharmaceutical industry funds a lot of the medical textbooks, research and schools – and it just so happens to be one of the biggest lobbies in DC. Itâs very, complicated, interconnected mess with hugely powerful financial and political interests at stake.
But back to your question, âWho will tell these people the truthâŠ?â
Most people arenât ready to hear the truth, but WEâRE the ones telling the truth to those ready to hear it, and THIS is how change takes place –
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ââŠ.yet somehow psychology researchers always find a positive resultâ –
What does this mean?
It means theyâre a bunch of egomaniacs, which is exactly what most psych professionals are.
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The most effective way to discredit any psychiatric diagnosis is to discredit those who invent them, and someday, thereâll be enough ants to cover the elephant.
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Youâre absolutely right about people having to become their own master and disciple in an insane world. There comes a point when you realize you have no choice but to do so. But you also realize itâs the choice you should have made in the first place.
I think the âmental healthâ system is the worst thing to come out of the twentieth century. And the worst thing about it is that itâs a âsystemâ, meaning arbitrary standards and bureaucracy runs the show. Then add to that a therapistâs ego and financial incentive, and youâve got one heck of a monster. But yes – thank goodness thereâs MIA and books by Dr. Bartlett.
I hope things turn around for your niece. Sheâs lucky to have you in her family.
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KateL,
I share your concerns.
The majority of people trained in the psychiatric medical model arenât interested in listening to anyone but themselves; theyâre very closed minded, so trying to speak to them is a waste of time. And the problems are systematic and cultural, meaning change is difficult, if not impossible. The awful truth is that itâs going to take a lot more people whoâve been harmed to stop it, because the only thing medically minded people respond to are lawsuits and legislation.
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Youâre most welcome, KateL
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People arenât âclientsâ to be â treatedâ – they are human beings to be respected.
Most psych professionals know only three things:
1. Cookie-cutter thinking (checklists)
2. Sand castles in their minds (âtreatmentâ theories)
3. How to complicate things
And none of these respect the person or deal with reality –
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Topher says, ââŠ.diagnosis.âŠ.itâs dangerous unscientific nonsenseâŠ.they become self limiting self fulfilling propheciesâŠ.and all behavior becomes viewed in this wayâŠ.Therapy itself is the abject failureâŠ.because we are diagnosing and treating the wrong thing – what we have are myriad cultural disorders that must be changed if we are ever to realize human well-beingâ –
How can one person change the myriad cultural disorders?
By avoiding THE BIGGEST cultural disorder out there – the diagnostically based âmental health systemâ, and – believe it or not – as the word gets out, it becomes a process of attrition.
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THATâS mainstream psychiatry – maketized, tick-box medicine –
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âPharmaceutical companies are too financially invested in the current structure to lower costs when askedâ.
Big Pharmaâs Big Business, whose motto has always been some version of the ânew and improvedâ –
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Whatâs (mainstream) psychiatry?
Scientific Theology –
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Dr. K says, ââŠ.we cannot explain or directly observe the pathophysiologies of major mental illness disordersâŠ.â
Maybe thatâs because THEY DONâT EXIST –
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I knew mainstream psychiatrists were in for a big disappointment when they announced they were going the high tech route. And since good sense has no place in mainstream psychiatry, they were off and running! âŠ. âcause those big, expensive machines excited them! âŠand if they worked, they could finally take their rightful place alongside their medical brethren! âŠbut this was not to beâŠ.
Didnât they already know the brainâs a gelatinous mass, the pictures of which would be too vague to be open to anything other than interpretation, and, just as likely, misinterpretation? And what would they have done if the images were more visibly tangible? Probably something along the lines of a high tech lobotomy – and just as injurious.
Too bad they couldnât stick to their Rorschach tests –
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âModern western medicine is a DRUG RACKETâŠ.â
No question about it. But medicine has a very long history, as humankind has always sought ways to cure illness and relieve pain and suffering. And while much progress has been made, the fact remains that things got out of hand when the pharmaceutical/chemical industry saw an opportunity for mass market.
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Yes, Bradford, in many ways I do agree with you.
As I understand it, forced schooling got underway during the industrial revolution in order to provide daycare centers for parents who had to leave the farm for the cities to find work, and their childrenâs schools were designed to make their kids factory-ready when the time came. This provided a reliable work force for the up-and-coming captains of industry who, over time, rose in the ranks of the powerful, (business, government, law, education), to establish influential organizations whose underlying principles are profit-based, something many would call exploitation.
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Thank you, Bradford,
I like your comments, too –
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Whatâs wrong with the psych research community?
The same thing thatâs wrong with the rest of âhigher educationâ – itâs gone from exploration to EXPLOITATION –
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âCause they live in a DREAM world!!!
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Dr. Ken refers to disorders as âour disordersâ, and heâs right – theyâre HIS (psychiatryâs) âdisordersâ – AND NO ONE ELSEâS –
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Kenneth Kendler says, âInstead of thinking that our disorders are true because they correspond to clear entities in the world, we should consider a coherence theory of truth by which disorders become more true when they fit better into what else we know about the worldâ.
A âcoherence theory of truthâ? What is THAT supposed to mean???
ââŠby which disorders become more true when they fit better into what else we know about the worldâ.
Yes, confirmation bias is your best friend, especially when youâre looking at the world through an already biased lens.
Maybe when heâs not too busy making more mud pies, he might find time to tell the world what he means by âclear entitiesâ. But maybe that just means whatever he wants it to mean, whenever he wants it to mean it. But he has made progress by using the word âimplausibleâ. How truly amazing. And Iâm surprised he goes so far as to say, âDespite years of research, we cannot explain or directly observe the pathophysiologies of major mental illness disorders that we could use to define essential featuresâ. In other words, Kenâs gonna keep on dishing out WORD SALAD.
Yet I wonderâŠ.will he ever get real and simply say, âWeâre flat out wrong and donât know what the heck weâre doingâ???
And I also wonder if it ever occurs to him just how he and his colleagues might be remembered in history. After all, phrenologyâs phrenology, even if it is high tech –
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ââŠ.the growing acceptance of daily, infinite âsedationââ
Weâve become a nation of drugged people –
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Iâm not too familiar with Einstein, but I like a lot of his quotes –
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Hey there, Ken –
I see youâve made progress by using the word âimplausibleâ. Good job. And Iâm surprised you go so far as to say, âDespite years of research, we cannot explain or directly observe the pathophysiologies of major mental illness disorders that we could use to define essential featuresâ.
Wow. You donât say.
So tell me, Ken – when are you gonna get real and just say, âWeâre flat out wrong and donât know what the hell weâre doingâ???
And in case you hadnât thought, do you know what the future holds for you and your esteemed colleagues?
Youâll go the way of the phrenologists, my friend, and goodness knows, your ego wonât like THAT –
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Whatâs wrong with the psych research community?
Itâs become a competitive culture fixated on winning rather than exploration, and itâs now overpopulated by too many closed minded, stiff necked, (and some would say cowardly) blowhards, trying to protect and enhance their own reputations and academic turf in order to procure tenure, status, and research dollars.
But the problem is fed by a population led to believe they need a âtrained professionalâ to figure out their lives. But slowly, people are discovering that this isnât the case at all – and that too often, those trained as âprofessionalsâ are the least able to help with their problems –
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No one should have to âstate their caseâ in order to be treated with respect –
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Kenny boy says, âour disordersâ –
Thatâs right, buddy, themâs YOUR âdisordersâ – and nobody elseâs –
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What does Advanced Diagnostic Imaging mean for most psychiatrists?
More toys for them to play with, and pictures for them to ooh and aah at –
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Hey there, Ken-Ken!
If youâre not too busy making more mud pies, would you mind telling the world just what you mean by âclear entitiesâ?
Or maybe that just means whatever you want it to, right?
And as for a âcoherence theory of truthâ – you mean if you believe itâs so, it will be so. Now isnât that wishing on a star, or maybe you prefer blowing dandelions –
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Dear KateL,
What youâve been through is beyond outrageous. And finding out how much youâve been deceived is an awful shock that no one should go through. And then the task of having to make sense of it all can seem almost impossible. But youâre a very strong person to have come this far.
Processing trauma and grief can take a long time, but it is possible. And telling your story here has value in ways you may never know.
Take care,
Birdsong
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Kenneth Kendler says, âInstead of thinking that our disorders are true because they correspond to clear entities in the world, we should consider a coherence theory of truth by which disorders become more true when they fit better into what else we know about the worldâ.
A âcoherence theory of truthâ?
WTF is THAT supposed to mean???
ââŠby which disorders become more true when they fit better into what else we know about the worldâ.
Yes, confirmation bias is your best friend, especially when looking at the world through an already biased lens.
In other words, the good Chef Kenâs gonna keep dishing out WORD SALAD while wishing on a star –
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LivingPast27 says, âI had to cut off contact to a neurologist relative over the issue. He said informed consent simply is not possible without medical schoolâ.
Einstein said, âIf you canât explain it to a six year old, you donât understand it yourselfâ –
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âThe intellectuals and their scientific âtheologyâ is the problem, not the pathologic nature of the psycheâ.
And mainstream psychiatry isnât medicine, itâs scientific theology – in other words, A CULT –
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Psychiatric labeling is a well-funded social ill that conveniently victimizes those least able to defend themselves.
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ââŠ.when we look at the history of science we see that itâs most basic concepts and presuppositions are often the least examinedâ.
And please include Dr. Bartlettâs book, âThe Pathology of Man: A Study of Human Evilâ –
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ââŠstrong financial incentives to drug anyone who comes in their doorâŠâ
I dare mainstream psychiatrists to explain the difference between their DSM checklists and drug pushers on the street –
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Congratulations, Krista!
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ââŠ.the field of psychology is psychic reality, not physical reality!â
BINGO!!!
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Maybe psychological researchers should ask themselves why theyâre obsessed with winning. Could it be ego, prestige, and money? Thatâs not very scientific.
Apparently, being a psychological researcher doesnât guarantee youâve more insight than the average person.
Too bad they canât ditch their binary thinking. And when did science and competition become compatible?
Sounds like they need to check their egos.
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Hereâs an interesting article: âWhy psychology isnât scienceâ, by Alex B. Berezow
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âBut psych researchers are not concerned with rigorously testing specific predictionsâ –
Things of a psychological nature have too many variables to be specifically and rigorously tested, much less replicated. And thereâs nothing wrong with that, except if youâre competing for â⊠publication, grant money, academic hierarchy, and pharmaceutical industry dominanceâ.
âInstead, they have vague predictions, and any result they findâeven a contradictory oneâis used to promote their pet theoriesâ.
Perhaps they missed the lecture on confirmation bias.
Sounds like some psychology researchers havenât faced their own demons: ego, pride, and greed.
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rebel,
Human dignity is indeed innate and inviolable, and I, in no way, meant to suggest that anyone wait to be treated with dignity. However, when people are not treated with dignity, as is often the case in the mental health system, disaster can ensue – and the overwhelmingly destructive influence of the mental health industry can render one unable to live the life they otherwise would and could have chosen.
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Just goes to show whoâs pulling the levers and why –
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Thank you, Susannah –
Hereâs one more:
âThe DSM Diaries: Psychiatryâs Grand Delusionâ
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Punitive Medicine – thatâs a good way to describe (mainstream) psychiatry. It certainly fits their DSM.
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Mainstream psychiatry the context that shouldnât exist –
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Long story short –
When people are treated with dignity and respect, theyâll want and be able to rejoin the ranks of the living.
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Thank you KateL.
Yes, theyâve taken so much – but they havenât taken your voice. –
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Someday, psychiatry as we know it will be no more. At such time, books may be written about its slow but steady decline.
So hereâs a few titles that might be useful:
1. âPSYCHIATRY: The Rise and Fall of Institutionalized Insanityâ
2. âPSYCHIATRY: How Freudâs Dreams Theory Went Corporateâ
3. âHuman Wrongs to Human Rights: Psychiatryâs End in the Twenty-First Centuryâ
4. âFrom Trauma to Truth: Losing the Lies of Psychiatryâ
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And just WHAT is your definition of a âwell educated patientâ, OR a âworking mental health systemâ? Could it be a âcompliant patientâ coerced into listening solely to one limited, fear-inducing perspective? THAT sounds like infringement to me –
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Thank you, KateL.
Sadly, theyâve taken so much – but they havenât taken your voice –
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NOT having access to enough information, (i.e. informed consent) in ANY CONTEXT is morally dishonest AND dangerous. But this is EXACTLY whatâs happened and continues to happen in more than a few doctorsâ offices.
And MIA is an EXCELLENT source of information that people otherwise WOULDNâT HAVE –
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Author Jessica Taylor says, âI really love that fact that the brain doesnât gives away secretsâŠ..But I know lots of scientists are looking for answersâŠ.. I think maybe weâre not supposed to know, because weâre a pretty horrible speciesâ –
What do Ms. Taylorâs sage words reveal about (mainstream) psychiatry?
That fools rush in where angels fear to tread –
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Why does mainstream psychiatry have to end?
Because it views people through diseased lenses –
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Whatâs (mainstream) psychiatry?
A haven for professional psychopaths, sociopaths, and malignant narcissists –
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What causes BPD?
The same thing that causes all âmental illnessâ –
Not being shown enough love/respect in the proper way, at the proper time.
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Someday, psychiatry as it is known today will be no more. At such time, many books may be written about its slow but steady decline.
Hereâs a few titles that might be used:
1. âPSYCHIATRY: The Rise and Fall of Institutionalized Insanityâ
2. âPsychiatry: How Freudâs Dreams Theory Turned Corporateâ
3. âHuman Wrongs to Human Rights: Psychiatryâs End in the Twenty-First Centuryâ
4. âFrom Trauma to Truth: Losing the Lies of Psychiatryâ
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Psychiatric âtreatmentsâ are a damaging process of stigmatizing labels and dangerous drugs.
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I firmly believe psychiatry as we know it today will be gone before the end of the century. In its place I see limited drugging, markedly different psychotherapy dynamics and protocols, and an end to forced treatment.
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Poet Rebecca Donaldson calls BPD for what it really is, and thatâs developmental trauma –
Thank you, Rebecca
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Mainstream psychiatry is NOT medicine – itâs a worldwide, medically choreographed HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATION –
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Borderline personality disorder is a sanitized slur – as are ALL psychiatric labels, as psychiatric labeling is VERBAL ABUSE –
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KateL says, âI believe that the borderline diagnoses is the equivalent of a hate crimeâ.
A hate crime. Thatâs what it is.
And not considering the possibility of treatment induced trauma, from either psychotherapy or psych drugs, is a crime of neglect. And things like akathisia and tardive dyskinesia amount to criminal torture –
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In other words, itâs all BULLSHIT –
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Yes, psychotherapy can be even more dogmatic –
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Thank you, KateL.
I wholeheartedly agree with you.
A âborderline personalityâ label is uniquely demeaning to women, and is often used – some would say purposefully – to their disadvantage. Itâs an absolute disgrace.
Psychiatric labeling stands alone as an unmitigatedly immoral act that often begins a lifelong cascade of needless, and sometimes brutal, psychiatric violence, a violence perpetrated more often on women. And patient advocates are sorely needed to stem this violence.
Labeling people, and women in particular, as âpersonality disorderedâ is nothing more than a sanitized way for âprofessionalsâ to trash those they donât like, donât understand, and would rather not deal with. Itâs total disrespect. And itâs definitely retraumatizing for those already marginalized, and I consider anyone psychiatrically labeled as marginalized.
And just one look at the way the wide variety of âpersonality disordersâ are written makes it easy to see that these labels were written – for the most part – BY men FOR women – women they didnât find attractive, or found threatening, and as a result, didnât know what to do with. But they knew one thing – writing b*tch on a womanâs medical chart wouldnât be the thing to do.
And itâs not just a âborderline personalityâ label. Itâs ALL psychiatric labels, as all have the capacity to retraumatize and marginalize ANYONE. This qualifies as outright abuse, an abuse that often starts the vicious cycle of discrediting âpsychiatricâ labels and dangerous âpsychiatricâ drugs.
And why are psychiatric labels allowed to be used interchangeably with âdiagnosesâ when thereâs no scientific evidence to qualify them as âdiagnosesâ? Thereâs only one answer: a medicalized âpsychiatricâ label indicates defect, both moral and physical, and thereby acts as an ironclad way to discredit any individual. And this makes ALL psychiatric labels/âdiagnosesâ illegitimate –
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âAbove all, the campaign against too much medicine needs a system reset to move from rhetoric and scattered evidence to actionable evidence and measurable impactâ.
Blah, blah, blahâŠ
Havenât they tried this already? And what good would it do if they did? It sounds like they just want more ways of doing what theyâre already doing. Genius.
So how DO you move from ârhetoric and scattered evidenceâ to âactionable evidence and measurable impactâ when rhetoric is all youâve got? Theyâll have better luck herding cats.
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What is a âpersonality disorderâ?
THE BIGGEST bullshit term out there.
It describes behavior patterns, NOT âdisordersâ.
âDysregulationâ is a far better way to describe problematic behaviors, and itâs a far less demeaning term.
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They just dressed it up in medicalized language AND added drugs to keep people silent.
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Sounds kind of like a hospitalist, but instead of working for the hospital, it would work for the patients.
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Joshua says, âIt is a cult like system of beliefsâŠ.â
Thatâs all mainstream psychiatry is, a âsystem of beliefsâ, not scientific facts. Which makes it a religion.
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Psychiatry ââŠ.often mirrors and reinforces childhood traumaâ.
This is EXACTLY what (mainstream) psychiatry does!!!
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Psychiatry???
Just call it Psychia-CULT â
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Lila,
You might look at some YouTube videos by Anna Runkle, The Crappy Childhood Fairy.
She addresses emotional dysregulation from childhood trauma and difficult home life in general.
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So let me get this straight – what theyâre saying is, using Soteria Model guidelines works better than mainstream psychiatryâs âmedical modelâ.
Now how could that be?
Could it be that Soteria guidelines are the prototype of respectful relationships?
Could it be not experiencing these guidelines cause people to end up in mainstream psychiatryâs âmedical modelâ?
Could it be that mainstream psychiatryâs âmedical modelâ amounts to medical mischief?
Could it be that doing away with mainstream psychiatry might be the best option?
Could beâŠ.
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ââŠ.the authors urge the importance of cocreating novel concepts and languageâŠ.â
MORE âconcepts and languageâ? AS IF they havenât done enough damage with that ode to stupidity called the âDSM.
They oughta change their name from âpsychiatryâto âpsychia-TRICKSâ –
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Joshua says, ââŠ.when people denounce Psychiatry they are usually promoting Psychotherapy and Recovery. We need to abandon all of these.â
Yes – one is as bad as the other. And talking can be even worse.
A YouTube video called âTo Heal Complex PTSD, Try NOT TALKING About Itâ offers a different approach. Itâs from the âThe Crappy Childhood Fairyâ video series.
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Thank you KateL,
Making people feel they canât trust themselves is a crime unlike any other. And this is what mainstream psychiatry does.
Itâs an expensive form of gaslighting.
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I never needed a psychiatrist in the first place.
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Steve says, ââŠ.I find it horrifying how much it is minimized and denied.â
Thank you, Steve
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Excuse me, I never âneededâ a psychiatrist in the first place.
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Why do mainstream psychiatrists like using confinement?
Because, unlike most people, theyâve no problem giving in to their worst instincts –
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Itâs good knowing someone finally wrote a comprehensive book on something so pervasive – yet invisible –
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This article answers the question, âWhat is (most) psychiatry?â
This can be answered with one word:
RETRAUMATIZATION
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Itâs good to know someone finally wrote a comprehensive book on something thatâs practically invisible, but nevertheless prevails.
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A âpersonality disorderâ isnât a âdisorderâ. Itâs a pejorative term used by âmental health professionalsâ to âdiagnoseâ/discredit people who exhibit behaviors that arenât to their liking. And misogyny often plays a part. But whatâs behind that?
EGOS AND POWER –
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(Mainstream) psychiatry always struck me as conveniently misogynistic especially for those who practiced it, which, at one time, was mostly men. My suspicions were confirmed when I learned that Freud disingenuously called women delusional for claiming their fathers molested them. This and his narcissistic âpenis envyâ showed me where his head was at. But things havenât changed much, and in some ways theyâve gotten worse, because along came the DSM, which, btw, just happens to be an updated version of the same misogynistic garbage. They just dressed it up in medicalized language.
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Mary,
Thank you for telling your story. Itâs one that needs to be heard.
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Jenny Logan says, âWithout confinement, we might be forced to reckon with the reproductive cycle of violence and harm that confinement seeks to silence.â
Modification: Without mainstream psychiatry, we might be forced to reckon with the reproductive cycle of violence and harm that most psychiatrists seek to silence.
Ms. Logan concludes with, âAnd this involves undoing the epistemic injustices perpetuated by – intentionally or not – traditional academics who presume to hold the keys to interpreting the experience of others.â
âTraditional academicsâ arenât about to give up the keys to anything unless theyâre forced to. Thatâs why theyâre called âtraditional academicsâ. So whatâs the solution? Bypassing blowhards through websites like this will, bit by bit, leave them in the dust –
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Joshua says, ââŠwe should not trust or license Psychotherapistsâ –
I agree, because most psychotherapists are drinking the DSM kool-aid, too.
And as for Munchausenâs Syndrome By Proxy – that describes how a lot of âmental health professionalsâ relate to their clients. And it also describes how some politicians blame the homeless for their policy failures.
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Mary,
Your story is one that needs to be told and Iâm glad you lived to tell it.
It will NOT be in vain.
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Someone Else says, ââŠpsychiatrists and psychologists have been quietly covering up the other doctorsâ malpractice forâŠprobably as long as those industries have existed?â
You bet. Medical doctors cover for each other like NO other profession. Itâs their unspoken ethos of âone hand washes the otherâ –
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No one need bother reading any of mainstream psychiatryâs narcissistically-inspired books on âpsychiatryâ. One look at this comic tells you all you need to know.
And âThereâs a Drug for Thatâ should be mainstream psychiatryâs tagline –
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Every person seeking help from the âmental health systemâ needs to read this article.
In it, Markham Heid chronicles how the pharmaceutical industry subtly and systematically sets out to distort peopleâs perceptions of common problems into âmental illnessesâ, in order to create a market for its drugs. He brings to light how much the drug industry and its advertisers subliminally influence not only psych professionals, but the public at large.
He states, âBut our emotional experiences are always, to some extent, suggestible. How we interpret what weâre feeling â and how much that interpretation distresses us and shapes our self-image âdepends in part on what society is telling us to think about our experiences.â –
And to quote one of his sources, Adriane Fugh-Berman M.D., a professor of pharmacology and physiology at Georgetown University, says, âMaking people feel that their normal variant of eating or sleeping or feeling is abnormal is not helpful to them. It leads people to pharmacological treatments when what theyâre experiencing is better dealt with in non-pharmacologic means.â
This leaves no doubt as to whoâs actually running the APA and writing its DSM –
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Steve says, âThey (psychiatrists) should not just compare to placebo, they should compare to doing nothing at all.â
Then what on earth would most psychiatrists do with themselves? And isnât doing nothing at all pretty much what most psychiatrists are doing already? (Opps, I forgot – most are busy making themselves rich while ruining lives). And I doubt many would trade scribbling prescriptions for twiddling their thumbs –
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Joshua says, ââŠwith anyone, if they are not a happy camper that is made into mental illness and into cause to talk to a psychotherapistâ –
This is Psychiatry as Fascism.
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No one need bother reading some âexpertâ psychiatristâs long-winded, wide-eyed, self congratulatory book on âpsychiatryâ. One look at this comic tells you all you need to know.
And âThereâs a Drug for Thatâ should be mainstream psychiatryâs tagline –
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And âpsychiatricâ/psychological problems are NOT medical –
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Joshua says, ââŠwe should not trust or license Psychotherapistsâ –
Absolutely, because psychotherapists are drinking the DSM kool-aid, too.
And as for Munchausenâs Syndrome By Proxy. Thatâs a good description of what many psychiatrists and psychologists do to their âpatientsâ/clients. And itâs a great way for politicians to blame others for their own policy failures.
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For all their struggles, many âpatientsâ have learned two things:
1. âGoing to the doctorâ for non-medical problems is the road to hell, and
2. Waiting for âexpertsâ to find their balls is a waste of time –
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KateL says, âI lost any trust I had in myselfâŠâ
OmgâŠ
THIS THE WORST THING PSYCHIATRY DOES TO PEOPLE!!!
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Steve says, âTreatment resistanceâ is a loaded term meant to blame the client for the doctor/therapistâs failures.â
When âtreatmentâ is a âsuccessâ, the therapy gets the credit, but when itâs not, they blame the client.
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I donât get it, but neither do you, and thatâs okay. Is that humanistic psychology?
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Thank you Someone Else,
I was trying to say (somewhat clumsily, perhaps) that the psych/pharma industry is always on the lookout for new markets to exploit. And children are a huge market.
I think the drugging of kids amounts to child abuse. And itâs horrible what the pediatrician said, but at least she was honest, which isnât saying much. I just hope she doesnât prescribe to children herself. And yes, shame on them –
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Maybe someday mainstream psychiatrists will have to come up with their own twelve-step group, calling it âDrug Dealers Anonymousâ, with the saying, âIâm a psychiatrist and I deal drugsâ –
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Fiachra says, âI put myself on a Longterm Drug Taper with Oral âmedicationâ (and discovered how to manage the psychological withdrawal problems)â –
ââŠAnd I was no longer Disabled.â –
FANTASTIC!!! Did you THAT, psychiatry???
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Even drug dealers have their fan base.
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I donât get, but neither do you, and thatâs okay. Is that humanistic psychology?
I stare out the window or sit in a garden. Is that Buddhist?
I give myself a headache bemoaning the past, or worse, pay someone to listen. Is that psychoanalysis?
I wonder the about the point of it all and why Iâm here. Is that existentialism?
Now, did I forget something? Yes, my common sense, self respect, and a cup of chamomile tea –
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Big Pharma can be evil, but itâs definitely not stupid. And who knows? They just might have been listening to all the chatter – and it made them nervous. Looks to me like BP orchestrated the whole damn thing just to avoid future lawsuits.
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The âtreatmentsâ donât âworkâ because thereâs nothing âwrongâ with the âparticipantsâ in the first place. So why do people feel bad? Because life can be tough. And why do they not âget betterâ? Because theyâre being âtreatedâ by A BUNCH OF IDIOTS who oughta quit name calling (âdiagnosingâ) and stuffing people full of PHARMACEUTICAL JUNK. And guess what? If theyâd quit doing THAT, people might just âget betterâ –
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Itâs all about power, control, and acquisition for the powers that be, for which they use FOG: fear, obligation, and guilt –
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I like the term âwell beingâ. Itâs sounds fairly innocuous.
But as for âPMDDâ-
A doctor told a friend of mine that her daughter (who was all of eight years old) had Pre-PMS, and now itâs morphed into PMDD. Fluctuating hormones is a natural process, NOT a âdisorderâ, but anything that interferes with âoptimal performanceâ is seen as a âdisorderâ –
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The âmental health systemâ uses two things:
1. FEAR MONGERING to scare people into taking its âmedicationsâ –
2. EMOTIONAL BLACKMAIL to lure people into a one-sided, addicting ârelationshipâ –
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Mainstream psychiatrists donât practice medicine. They practice fear mongering –
Why hasnât psychiatric drugging been curtailed?
Because the bad results havenât reached critical mass –
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Joshua asks three long overdue questions:
1. Why do we tolerate any psychiatric drugging?
Because people believe the lies theyâre told: âThese correct a chemical imbalanceâ, and âYouâll need them the rest of your lifeâ –
2. What would have to be proven to put a stop to it?
The fact that psych drugs often do little more than placebos and carry significant risks has already been proven, but getting the word out can take a while, and donât expect psychiatrists to do it –
3. And what does this indicate are still the unstated assumptions about it?
That mainstream psychiatryâs a field to be trusted –
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Looks like social media has become Big Pharmaâs Best Friend –
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ââMainstreamâ psychiatry has historically and internationally not been the ones to change things for the better.â
This is true. But I donât look for psychiatry to change, because theyâre way too indoctrinated themselves, and trying to have a rationale conversation with most of them is one of the quickest ways to lose your mind.
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Michael Z Freeman says, âItâs [psychiatry] all really psychological projection from insecure types who are not very healthy themselvesâŠâ
TOTALLY –
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Michael Z Freeman,
You say you have pain. I see you mentioned Chinese Medicine, so maybe youâve tried acupuncture. I saw a chiropractor trained in Chinese Medicine, who did electro-acupuncture, and the results were much better than regular acupuncture.
I hope you feel better –
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Whatâs the history of humanity?
Escaping tyranny –
And whatâs mainstream psychiatry?
THE WORLDâS WORST TYRANNY –
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Itâs disheartening how many of of todayâs âmental health professionalsâ arenât much more than a bunch of narrow-minded technocrats caught in an endless loop of self-serving groupthink. They get an idea in their heads and theyâre off and running, all reciting the same script over and over to a T. But Dr. Garsonâs approach is a refreshing take on some old, but very sound, ideas.
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Hey, did you happen to read Dr. Gâs latest paper?
You mean the one where he says psychiatric drugs arenât the miracle drugs they said they were?
Yeah, thatâs the one –
Yup, sure didâŠ
Oh good, soâŠ.wait! Where are you going!?
To get my violin –
Your violin? Why?
Because it sounds the guyâs singing a CYA swan song –
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Unfortunately in todayâs world, Dr. Garsonâs âmadness as strategyâ paradigm will most likely have a hard time getting off the ground, because most of the so-called âeducatedâ have been swept off their feet by the all-encompassing quasi-scientific, egoistically/egotistically – and most of all – ECONOMICALLY DRIVEN zeitgeist –
And while itâs not easy to stem the tide when somethingâs so economically driven, the pendulum usually finds a way of shifting –
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Ron Unger, LSCW says, ââŠan alternative view that sees psychosis as resulting from attempts to resolve problems that preceded the psychosisâ, and, ââŠ.where people consciously or unconsciously try out new ways of seeing, believing, and behaving to address life and spiritual dilemmas caused by their stressful or traumatic experiences.â
I agree. Psychosis can be natureâs way of protecting the mind from what it canât process, consciously or unconsciously –
Thank you for the enlightened link –
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And I would venture to guess that itâs having to deal too much with those who are annoyingly complacent, maddeningly unimaginative, humility-deficient, and most of all, brutally unfeeling that drives some into psychotic states in the first place –
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Someone Else,
Iâm so sorry you went through that.
Itâs horrible how the people weâre supposed to turn to are trained in denial and âblame the victimâ strategies. But thankfully, thereâs good people too, of which you seem to be one.
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Dr. Garsonâs âmadness as strategyâ paradigm is on the right track, imo. His study of philosophy and history has served him well, in that itâs taught him to use his imagination and intelligence in ways it was intended: broadly, creatively, and kindly; after all, are these not the very things that make us human?
But it seems a lot of people never got this memo, as youâre hard-pressed to have this kind of discussion with the bungling, technology-obsessed idiots swarming the medical schools and research labs of today, as so many of the so-called âeducatedâ have been swept off their feet by an all-encompassing, quasi-scientific, egoistically/egotistically driven zeitgeist – though this does bring to light the need to get psychic distress out of the medical profession. And it doesnât take a genius to figure out what most psychotic states really represent: the inability of the conscious mind to face/process/reconcile an unbearably painful reality.
So itâs too bad philosophy and history have been tossed out the window in places where itâs needed the most. But it does explain why todayâs âmental health systemâ is populated by so many annoyingly complacent, maddeningly unimaginative, humility-deficient and brutally unfeeling âmental health professionalsâ –
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Thatâs business as usual for the psych/pharma industry; theyâre always looking for bigger fish to fry –
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Whatâs mainstream psychiatry?
A thoroughly confused, yet cleverly disguised MEDICAL FRAUD –
Generously bankrolled by the pharmaceutical industry –
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Liars! Liars! Pants On Fire!
And in boardrooms they conspire.
But their ways, none can admire,
But have no fear; theyâll be few buyers!
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Miranda,
Thank you for explaining in detail your experience with functional medicine/integrative psychiatry. Iâm thrilled it worked so well for you. Itâs what medicine should be! And Iâm glad you found a helpful talk therapist, too.
Acupuncture was very helpful for me, as was my discovering the root cause of my problems was traumatic stress, not the mainstream mental health narrative of chemical defect.
Thank you again for sharing what helped you. Iâm sure it will change someoneâs life for the better.
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ââŠthousands of eyeballsâŠâ
I certainly hope so!
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But MIA sure is, which (is it possible???) might BE giving more than a few mainstream psychiatrists a bad case of GAD –
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Whatâs mainstream psychiatry?
An medically disguised fraud funded by the pharmaceutical industry –
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LOVE the title, âPathology: The True Story of Six Misdiagnosesâ –
Sadly, Sarah Fayâs story is far from rare, because promoting pathology is mainstream psychiatryâs financially profitable MODUS OPERANDI –
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J. Phelps says, âWe and MIA could chorus together: psychiatry is not needed for the majority of mental problemsâŠâ –
ââŠchorus togetherâŠâ Really. And for WHOSE benefit? I donât think MIA needs mainstream psychiatryâs help in informing people of this –
Phelps continues with, âBut we are needed sometimes.â
âSometimesâ? I consider ârarelyâ to be a far more realistic statement.
J.P. then pleads, âDonât increase the stigma towards all of us.â
ââŠincrease the stigmaâ? Itâs about time most psychiatrists got to know what THAT feels like.
J.P. finally instructs MIA to, âShift the emphasis from what we donât know and have gotten wrong to what needs to be gotten right:â –
THATâS mainstream psychiatryâs job. NOT MIAâs –
And as for ââŠ.helping people for whom waiting it out, or good social support, or perhaps with the right psychotherapy as well, is not enough. What are they supposed to do?â
They already know what to do, which is consult a mainstream psychiatrist, which is WHY people need MIA –
And finally, I hope MIA never makes it itâs job to advertise ANY of mainstream psychiatryâs irrefutably dubious services.
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MIAâs blogpost states, âPsychiatric Drugs Do Not Improve Disease or Reduce Mortalityâ.
To which J. Phelps responds, âIt reached my national newsfeed, so presumably reached thousands of eyeballs.â
âThousands of eyeballsâ??? Heavens to Betsy!
But THATâS the point of MIA, to âreach thousands of eyeballsâ –
J.P. continues with, âFor people who face difficult decisions about a loved one with severe depression or dangerous delusional thoughts, this may have been confusing and frightening.â
OMG.
Again – THATâS the point of MIA, to âreach thousands of eyeballs.â
NEWSFLASH – People in distress are ALREADY confused and frightened, which is EXACTLY why they NEED to know ANY AND ALL viewpoints and approaches. And mainstream psychiatryâs not doing that. But MIA sure is, which (is it possible???) might giving more than few mainstream psychiatrists a bad case of GAD –
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Interesting article, but just more of the same: every psychology minded person jockeying for position to hold the microphone:
Iâm right! No, Iâm right! No, Iâm right! And on and on and onâŠ.
So think about it. Does every idea/approach under the sun need a name? And if so, why? What are the motivations of those promoting one idea over the other anyway? Sounds like another instance of ego/conformity, to me.
And as for materialism/business/capitalism hijacking every therapy du jour. What do you expect? Itâs just human nature. Not always good, but thatâs reality.
So what do you do? Avoid getting hung up on terms for this, that, or the other thing, and just do what works for you –
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Miranda Spencer says, âWith every expanded definition of mental illness lies a new opportunity for drug prescription and salesâŠâ
But I would add some slight variations –
With every expanded definition of mental illness lies a new opportunity for drug dependence and fortunes to be made (by psychiatrists and drug companies).
But what else are they supposed to do when thatâs all theyâve got?
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Steve says, ââŠthey DO know whatâs going onâ, and, ââŠits straight up corruption, at least at the higher levelsâŠâ –
NGâs paper smells like a load of damage control. It could be the start of a world wide âpsychiatricâ apology tour. He and other bigwigs probably got together over an online conference call to finagle some sort of public relations CYA strategy. And if they did, good luck. Theyâre gonna need it, because itâs not 1980, itâs 2022 –
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Michael says, ââŠ.people have been subjected to such awful things.â
THIS is psychiatryâs legacy.
Michael, Iâm so happy you found MIA. And youâre absolutely right, morale IS key, as itâs often the one thing that moves mountains –
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NGâs at a point and place in his career where he can afford to âspeak outâ, so he wonât be left holding the bag. But the rest have to keep their mouths shut, or else they risk losing their shirts. But youâre right, they pretty much all know theyâre up to no good –
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I think youâre right about the higher ups. But maybe theyâre all corrupt. But I just donât think the average doctor/medical professor is smart enough to know the difference. And I certainly donât look to the medical students – theyâre too green. And you have to be wary about anything thatâs become so profit-driven. Kinda makes me wonder if theyâre all a bunch of psychopaths –
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NGâs at a point in his career where he can âspeak outâ. He doesnât want egg on his face
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Looks like NGâs trying to cover his tracks because he sees where things are going. And like most psychiatrists, heâs got a hat for every occasion and is good at talking out of both sides of his mouth. Itâs just the same old psychiatry shtick. He oughta come up with a diagnosis for THAT –
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Dependency as Strategy = TREACHERY
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Dependency as Strategy –
A group of professional narcissists write a book of alphabetical gimmicky while handing out powerful substances, the mechanisms of which they know little about, but claim to be safe and non-addicting (though mounting evidence proves the contrary).
Result: DRUG DEPENDENCY –
Solution:
1. Self acceptance
2. Self reliance
3. Self respect
Dependency as Strategy –
A group of professional narcissists rely on a book of alphabetical gimmicky which lures people into unbalanced relationships.
Result: PSYCHOLOGICAL DEPENDENCY –
Solution:
1. Self acceptance
2. Self reliance
3. Self respect
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Michael Z Freeman says, ââŠ.Argentina passed a law in 2010 (see the map) that sent abusive psychiatry crashing to the ground in an entire country.â
Thatâs good news, and getting the word out is so important.
And the map looks great! Itâs about time the U.S. started exporting something other than mainstream psychiatryâs harmful practices and its pharmaceutical garbage –
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Marie says, âThatâs not completely true.â
Itâs true enough –
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This article proves that mainstream psychiatrists are finally on the defensive, and itâs none too soon. It must be a shock waking up to the fact theyâre no longer able to fool the public. But their boo-hooing wonât change much, nor will their efforts at spinning the facts, because the catâs finally out of the bag, and itâs the one cat THEY CANâT CATCH –
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Most of western medicineâs become a pill mill, practiced by incurious, unwitting pill pushers/doctors, with Big Pharma leading the way –
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And my maternal aunt (who passed at age 93) wasnât on any âmedicationsâ, mostly because she chose to stay away from the doctorâs office.
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Most medical students are ripe for the picking to be brainwashed, as many are ignorant, gullible, and in the uncomfortable position of having to please their higher-ups –
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Ragnarok says, âBig Harma is not in the business of health, they are in the business of wealthâ –
YOU SAID IT!!! And the same goes for psychiatry –
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Thanks for the clarification. I donât doubt what you say. Itâs mind boggling such flagrance took place and they then called it medicine. Truly disgusting.
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Wow – thanks for the reality check. Too bad it gets that bad, that often.
But what else can you expect when thereâs so much money, power, and prestige involved?
Itâs just sad how Big Government and Big Business have come to mean a bunch of Big Crooks.
Thanks again, and please keep spreading the word.
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Most psychiatrists will remain forever wedded to their delusion that psychiatric âillnessâ is âbiologically rootedâ, because if they DONâT, theyâll lose their day job –
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And THATâS the story of psychiatry – a story as old as time – one of ego, temptation, and most of all, GREED –
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Once upon a time, mainstream psychiatrists were bought by the pharmaceutical industry. They delightedly ate up the notion that psychiatric distress/âdiagnosesâ have âbiologicalâ origin. They were (and still are) bedazzled by the pharmaceutical industryâs seductive âscientificâ narrative, and the money and prestige were (and still are) the icing on their cake. So itâs hard for them to recognize that most, if not all, psychiatric distress/âdiagnosesâ are actually the manifestation of some kind of stress, be it a singular traumatic event, or the result of living amid a series constant, and very often hard to detect, negative stressors for long periods of time. And most psychiatrists have grown accustomed to being the drug industryâs lapdog. But thatâs the story of ego, temptation, and greed – a story as old as time –
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Better move fast – psychiatryâs now playing catch-up –
Well, whadâya know? Psychiatryâs finally running scared!
Yup. Itâs a sight for sore eyes – but itâs still THEIR game to lose –
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dfk says, âWhat kindness can do, now costs huge amounts of money to fail at doingâ.
So, so true. If more people were treated with simple kindness, fewer would end up in a psychiatristâs office, which is THE LAST THING anyone needs –
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Cargo Cult sounds good.
But how about Bullshit Baggage?
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LOVE the term âmainstream eugenicsâ –
Perfectly describes psychiatry.
Thank you for telling your compelling story. Iâm glad you could get off the psych drugs –
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I think Dr. Ghaemiâs paper is just his way of getting ahead of the increasingly loud narrative he sees coming down the pike. And whatâs coming down the pike? More and more people disputing psychiatryâs bullshit narrative. In other words, he practicing âthe real psychiatryâ, which just happens to be CYA (cover your ass) medicine – and NO psychiatrist wants to be caught with his/her psychiatric pants down –
But itâs deeper than that, as most psychiatrists will remain forever wedded to the delusion that psychiatric âillnessâ is âbiologically rootedâ in some way, because if they did, theyâd lose their day job. Because guess what? Most, if not all psychiatric distress is the result of some sort of emotional trauma, whether conscious, or not –
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Thank you Irit Shimrat for your good suggestions. I believe with time many will be adopted, as the current state of affairs cannot and must not continue.
I believe there will be change, because there HAS to be, as people wonât stand for psychiatryâs brutality forever.
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I agree, lookingUP –
Life is as a never ending struggle between good and evil. But losing hope for eventual change would be the ultimate tragedy – and psychiatryâs ultimate victory!
I think of every person who finds their way to MIA as a success – even if their minds arenât changed right away – because just having them know that other approaches exist could bear fruit in their future.
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Thank you, yinyang. I like reading your comments, too!
Itâs very discouraging that psychiatry still has such a tight hold on the publicâs imagination, but – right or wrong – I look at things a little differently. First of all, I no longer expect psychiatry to change its ways – thatâs a fantasy. And while MIA has yet to take a clear stand against it, it does permit comments like yours, mine, and many others to be published. This alone plants the seeds of change, and âchangeâ meaning NO MORE PSYCHIATRY!
And I wholeheartedly agree with Frederick Douglas, âPower concedes nothing without demandâ. But perhaps that demand means people no longer looking to psychiatry, a future reality made possible through websites like MIA.
And while I may be idealistic, I refuse to let psychiatry steal my optimism –
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Religion, psychiatry, and psychotherapy all left me in a chronic state of inappropriate guilt, unreasonable striving, disorienting cognitive dissonance – and most of all – OF BEING GASLIT –
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The problem of capitalism driving psychiatry IS addressed in this interview. Mr. Moore mentions how pharmaceutical manufacturers influence the way textbooks are written and read by medical students. To which Dr. McLaren replies,âSo the psychiatrist wants the drug money, and the drug companies want the psychiatrist to endorse their productâŠâ, and âNothing is allowed to threaten the status quo.â
So how does this problem get solved? Through articles like this which inform the public, who then might think twice before filling prescriptions –
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Richard,
With all due respect, politics can be too contentious for a lot of people, especially for those just looking for safe ways to feel better. And a lot of times, people in distress donât have the wherewithal, much less the interest in, joining political movements. Itâs just not where theyâre at or the language they speak. And in the final analysis, it all boils down to having access to enough information to make informed decisions, whether voting or filing prescriptions.
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Richard,
Psychiatry and the drug industry are definitely in cahoots, but I think the relationship is more symbiotic than conspiratorial. And framing issues in revolutionary terms can be alienating, especially for those whoâve been through enough already. And people relate to the personal more than the political, which is why simply spreading the word can be the best way, and sometimes the only way, to bring about lasting change –
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Unfortunately this is true, but putting the brakes on the idea that problems are biological diseases requiring drug intervention is a good place to start –
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Thank you, Diaphanous Weeping,
Your point is well taken –
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Richard,
I appreciate your views. Its unfortunate how market driven psychiatryâs medical model has become.
But arguments about psychiatry and capitalism can end up being too political: circular ones that lapse into power struggles.
So have patience, as market forces will eventually be psychiatryâs downfall. In other words, âwhat makes âem, breaks âemâ –
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terry.baranski,
Youâre right. Her doctors didnât mention drug interactions, or even side effects. But as for side effects, she was put on something for cholesterol and within a week or so it was as if she had full blown dementia. And I happened to read about this side effect from a non-medical magazine!
A lot of the prescriptions out now arenât as necessary as the doctors would have us think –
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And I donât see psychiatry so much collapsing as deteriorating, as someday, professors will find themselves lecturing to empty seats –
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Dr. McLaren treats people with respect, not like objects to be chemically fiddled with.
PTSD is real, but itâs not an illness or âdisorderâ. Post traumatic stress YES, âdisorderâ, NO.
If I bump my leg, I might get a bruise, but bruises arenât âdiseasesâ. The same goes for the psyche.
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Ego and money are a powerful combination. But thatâs psychiatry. No heart and soul. It doesnât belong in medicine.
Dr. McLaren believes psychiatryâs current model (or lack thereof) will eventually collapse. But I believe its collapse will be from its own weight, yet not from within –
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What do mainstream psychiatry, psychotherapy, and religion all have in common?
Manipulative dynamics –
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yinyang says, âEverything that needed âexposingâ was exposed long agoâŠâ
Yes. However, thereâs a lot of people who still donât know about the horrors of psychiatry. But knowledge is power. It may take time, but eventually the truth will out –
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yinyang says, âPerpetual complaining, rather than fighting to eliminate psychiatry, or at least walking away from it altogether, is a symptom of dependency and emotional addiction, not liberationâ –
I agree. I think the most effective way to end psychiatry is to walk away, if you can. And to keep spreading the word about its horrors so fewer and fewer people turn to it. It takes a long time to gain momentum, but groundswells are what eventually make lasting change. Itâs a kind of passive resistance –
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People are not objects to be studied, corralled, and controlled. They are human beings to be valued and respected –
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People should skip mainstream psychiatryâs pill happy doctors with their diagnostic song and dance, and ditch psychotherapyâs codependent relationship dynamics –
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ââŠ.as if adults learn like children (they do not for very obvious reasons)â –
Key words: AS IF –
Anyone up for infantilization???
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The best intervention can mean NO intervention, believe it or not –
And no one has a right to invade anotherâs privacy or rob their dignity.
People have a right to be left alone, no matter their difficulties –
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But deprogramming can take a while, and I donât see many mental health professionals lining up to do it, now or in the future, as most have egos that are too caught up in their careers. But I donât let that bother me, cause once I learned to avoid the blowhards, life got good –
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And what is an irrational person?
Some say itâs âthose unable to listen to reason, logic, or common senseâ. This describes a lot of therapists.
But hereâs the kicker: âThey are laser focused to fulfill a needâ, i.e. their obsessive need to be seen as right. This describes most psychiatrists –
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So why is it a good idea to avoid psych professionals?
Because the odds are stacked against you if you disagree with their diagnoses and âtreatmentsâ, which could mean losing your credibility and even your freedom –
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Why do most psychiatrists (et al) think and behave so irrationally?
Because theyâre afraid of admitting theyâre wrong – which for them is almost never!
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Diaphanous Weeping says, âIf you are not free to stay broken, you will never be mendedâ –
What a brilliant and moving comment!
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Dear Diaphanous Weeping,
Youâre most welcome, DW. Reading your comments is always a pleasure, as I find your writings beautifully written and remarkably insightful. You must be a lovely person to know.
Do take care,
Birdsong ~
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As a psych patient, arguing your point of view with a psych professional can be to no avail and even get you into trouble, making life very difficult for you. And why is this? They say itâs for your safety, but too often itâs because a lot of psych professionals are irrational people, and they all want to avoid lawsuits. So you end up having to toe the line and bite your tongue, which is great therapy, right?
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And thereâs a simple reason why mental health professionals can and often do get away with so much. All they need to do is call someone disordered, which leaves clients little to no recourse. But the solution is simple: Donât go knocking on a therapistâs door. Thereâs plenty of other things to do –
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But deprogramming can take a while, and I donât see many mental health professionals lining up to do it, now or in the future. Most of them have egos that are too caught up in their careers. But I donât let it bother me, cause once I learned to avoid lifeâs blowhards, things got good –
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Is it a sin not to suffer fools gladly?
Yes, according to St. Paul, âFor ye suffer fools gladly, seeing ye yourselves are wiseâ –
Is it a âdisorderâ not to suffer fools gladly?
Yes, according to the DSM. Itâs called Oppositional Defiant Disorder –
Either way youâre damned.
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Joshua says, âTherapyâ and âRecoveryâ are always based on the idea that something about you is maladaptiveâ, and ââŠit is like this with evangelical religion, tooâ –
Religion, psychiatry, and psychotherapy all left me in a chronic state of guilt, constant striving, and cognitive dissonance. Very unpleasant.
But since then, Iâve learned not to fetishize my insecurities and need for acceptance. And guess what happened? Life started feeling pretty darn good!
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Joshua says, ââŠthis forum is loaded with people writing articles, maybe not endorsing the drugs, but endorsing ideas like healing and therapeutic effectâ.
Youâre not kidding. But I like to know what people are saying and maybe learn something. And if I donât, I just ignore it. It canât ruin my day unless I let it. And anyways, I donât like beating a dead horse –
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It pays to be practical. Case in point:
Psychiatrists: 95-99% stupid and cruel –
Psychologists et al:
40% stupid and cruel –
40% stupid and nice –
20% smart, wise, and kind –
But all three cost you plenty, in more ways than one. So – whatâs your best bet? Stay home and do crossword puzzles. You just might forget your troubles, and if you donât, you wonât have lost much, and maybe learn some self respect, which is a lot more valuable than some (idiot) âtherapistsâsâ crazy idea of âhealingâ –
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Peopleâs stupidity and cruelty gets on my nerves. And DONâT be calling THAT a âdisorderâ. But I have to admit, jerks and sadists make me sick. Thatâs why I steer clear of the psych industry.
As some people say, and they may be right, âGod must love jerks. He made so many of themâ –
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And my mother wasnât on any psychiatric âmedicationsâ. She didnât have any so-called âpsych problemsâ.
Turns out you donât have to be on psych drugs to have a shoebox full of âtreatmentsâ for this, that, or the other thing. Because thatâs what western medicine is – pills and bills!
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When I say stupid, Iâm referring to (most) doctors, not the public, as doctors are the ones leading the public –
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Steve says, âItâs very possible for the best of parents to make errors and their kids end up hurtâ, and âYou donât have to be a âbad parentâ to contribute to your childâs emotional strugglesâ.
I agree. In many ways, I had the best of parents. But then life happened, and in desperation, one of my parents turned to the mental health system to help me, which was more than happy to make inroads on me.
When I was a teen, I hated therapy, because it wanted and expected me to speak against my parents, whom I dearly loved, and I strongly felt our family issues a private matter. I therefore saw the mental health workers as instrusive and meddling, which they proved to be, and much, much, worse.
Parents donât need to have their kids pathologized. They need to learn better ways to help their children navigate their stressed out worlds –
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Yes, Steve,
I see psychiatry, psychology and the pharmaceutical industry as a three-ring circus – and Iâve learned itâs best to remain in the audience –
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Joshua says, âTherapy and Recovery are always based on the idea that something about you is maladaptiveâ –
Exactly! Both psy-disciplines (including psychiatry) and religion play on peopleâs insecurities and need to be accepted –
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I regard psych drugs as a scam in how theyâre marketed and prescribed, i.e. advertised as magic bullets and prescribed indiscriminately.
And I think words like healing and therapeutic effect are similarly misused as they mischaracterize peopleâs problems.
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terry.baranski says, âThe western medical model is all but useless for chronic disease, focusing on symptoms rather than root causesâ –
I agree. Much of western medicine has devolved into a pill factory, and prescribing drugs makes most psychiatrists feel like theyâre playing in the big leagues.
By the time my mother passed at age 91, she had a shoebox full of questionable prescriptions. Since I saw so many in her age group like her, I started thinking of them as the âshoebox generationâ. But now I think this applies to every generation.
And thank you for mentioning Gabor Mateâ. I wholeheartedly agree with his ideas about childhood trauma.
I have found acupuncture to be very helpful for many things both physical and âpsychologicalâ –
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Marie says, âThereâs probably little point in trying to educate the public and doctors about the realities of medicalized psychiatryâ.
I agree. Thereâs little to no point. But as the saying goes, âyou canât fix stupidâ, especially when doctors are the ones writing the books and making the Kool-Aid –
When I say stupid, Iâm referring to (most) doctors, not as much as the public, as doctors are the ones who lead the public –
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Yes, Someone Else! Gaslighters is right!
Both sides should get together and form Gaslighters, Incorporated, (LLC) –
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Thank you, Joshua ~
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Thank you cynical.nihilist –
Yes, I had a general knowledge the stated reasons for NAMI, but I soon sensed its less obvious reasons: deflect blame, scapegoat offspring. But Iâm grateful to now know its impetus more fully –
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DW says, âBut some have as their individual choice a compulsion to rule the world by giving everyone a list of their ideological perfect choices.â
This is whatâs wrong with the mental health system, imo
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Someone Else says:
âPsych = mind
âTryst = f**kâ
LOVE IT!!!
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Steve McCrea says, ââŠmany people need help ârecoveringâ or ârecuperatingâ from the assault on their lives and their integrity that psychiatry itself has perpetrated!â
This should be shouted from the rooftops!
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Joshua says, âRather just a need to see what is being done to you, and then to find comrades and learn how to fight back.â
Precisely.
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Brett Deacon, PhD says, âThey have abandoned principles for incentives.â
That says it all –
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And why do I take issue with psychotherapy?
Because Iâm not into unbalanced relationships where personal information is disclosed and sensitive topics are discussed. And therapists act like their boundaries are the only ones that matter. This isnât balanced, and can foster unhealthy dynamics, i.e. manipulative therapists, and infantilized clients –
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Joshua says, âRecovery still implies that there is some sort of error which needs correcting. It is related to the religious idea of salvation, and itâs roots are identicalâ.
Yes! Recovery is a reasonable concept. The problem is how itâs used and by whom.
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Diaphanous Weeping,
Iâm so glad youâve had good experiences with psychotherapists. I think thatâs as much a tribute to you as it is to them.
And thank you for saying, ââŠ.bullying insists these are the ONLY WAY to be a FIXED PERSON. And if you are not fixed you are flawed and require educating about youâ.
Youâre absolutely right –
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Thank you yinyang,
I stand corrected!
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Guess what?
What?
I just heard about psychiatryâs latest brain fad –
No kidding? Spill –
Okay – get this – the chemical imbalance theory is now passĂ© –
Oh? SoâŠ.they must be into the neuro-bio-genomic thing now, huh?
Nope. They gotta whole new thing going on called âbrain circuitsâ –
âBrain circuitsâ? JeezâŠI wouldnât call it âbrain circuitsâ –
No? Then what would you call it?
Their BRAIN CIRCUS –
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Hey, whatâs wrong with you? You look beat –
I am, âcause I had a bad dream last night – or maybe it was a nightmare –
Oh yeah? Say more –
Well, I dreamt I was in a roomful of psychiatrists, and they were all excited playing this game –
Game? What game?
A big, huge piñata, in the shape of bottle, and when they busted it, a load a pills spilled out!
Well I wouldnât call that a dream OR a nightmare –
No? Then what would you call it?
REALITY –
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But Dr. Bruce has the right idea!
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And most teachers and therapists donât figure things out. They just slap labels on kids –
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And schoolâs not the only irritating place. The worldâs full of irritating people and places. Itâs the world we live in. Big deal. The trick is to figure out a way to make it work for you, WITHOUT ending up in some âtherapistâs officeâ, whoâs gonna bug you more and drive you crazy asking stupid questions like, âNow, why does that bother you?â
Need I say more? Yes. If someone or something is bugging you, STAY AWAY FROM (most) THERAPISTS –
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If someone or something is bugging me, it means one thing – IT BUGS ME! And so what? It doesnât mean I or anyone else âneeds recoveryâ. So please spare me some therapistâs self serving compassion who needs to go back to school to learn one thing – school can be an irritating place, to say the least –
One thing that never occurs to a lot of therapists is that sometimes figuring out why someone or something is bugging you is a waste of time. But it isnât for them! Now why would that be??? HummâŠâŠ.
Iâm not interested jumping on some (idiot) therapistâs âtherapyâ bandwagon, twisting myself into an emotional pretzel just to fund their âtherapeuticâ flavor of the month. And guess what? THAT BUGS THEM!
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And did I learn anything from âtherapyâ?
Yes – that I should have trusted my âtrust issuesâ –
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And thank goodness for people like Bruce Levine!
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Itâs important to be allied with ourselves more than anyone or anything else. But this something no parent, therapist, or psych drug ever taught me –
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Everyone needs people allied with their views to a certain extent. It called validation. But why should anyone have to pay for that? And then be pathologized for it! Do you call this âtherapyâ? I certainly donât.
I find the professionalization/monetization of private relationships insulting and therefore counterproductive, (i.e. hierarchical structure, power imbalance, money exchange, blah, blah, blah). But this is âtherapyâ. Good grief.
I, for one, am not comfortable confiding in someone I canât get to know personally, and why should I? Iâve never met a therapist who could adequately answer that. And I find it odd the only people having problems with this are therapists. They seem to think peopleâs boundaries apply to everyone but them –
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I didnât need a therapist. I needed parents who had a better understanding of my struggles.
And as for therapists –
I thought of them then as I think of them now, which is, âsleeping with the enemyâ, and my instincts and experience have proven correct –
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âthe mind is probably more capable of healing itself than the brain..â
You might be right.
What Iâm saying is that nothing gets turned around until a person starts thinking differently –
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rebel says:
âSome say the damage is worse and more permanent.â
Many times this is true (i.e. drugs) –
ââŠRecovery is NOT suspect and is a viable alternative to psychiatry, etc.â
Absolutely –
âRecovery, in and of itself, is a very individual thing.â
Without a doubt –
âI stand by the concept of recovery as it relates to all kinds of issues life presents.â
As do I.
âI stand by the individual decisions each person makes in regards to the successful realization of their recovery.â
MOST DEFINITELY –
Please understand my argument isnât with the choices you or anyone else makes. Itâs with the mental health industry, which I think labels and drugs inappropriately.
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Thank you maedhbh,
Youâve knocked it out of the park –
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Youâre most welcome, Nikhto!
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True, but I wouldnât call the effects of an assault or a hurricane an âillnessâ –
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Why is it most psychiatrists get so defensive whenever their views are challenged?
Defensive? Challenged?
You know what I mean – always willing to twist the truth to make themselves look right, no matter who they end up throwing under the bus, and them acting like everyone has flaws but them –
Well, thatâs easy to explain: it comes from most of them being deeply insecure, and having a chip on not just one shoulder, BUT TWO –
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If someone or something is bothering me, I sure as heck DONâT NEED TO âRECOVERâ – because the problem ainât WITH ME –
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Dear Sue,
Iâm so sorry for your terrible loss. May precious memories of your son continue bringing you comfort.
Psychiatryâs insanity knows no limits –
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Psychotherapistsâ JEALOUS HOLD on their beloved âpower imbalanceâ speaks volumes of their own unconscious fears of what they really donât know much of anything about – and the general public has faithfully followed their lead –
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ââŠas if adults learn like childrenâŠâ
Finally someone articulating the nitty gritty going on behind psychotherapyâs unshakable belief and frantic hold on their beloved âpower imbalanceâ –
But they can only wishâŠ
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Nikhto says, âI didnât spend my free time smoking weed or playing video games. I went to libraries, museums and art galleriesâ, and, âI wasnât the classic rebelâŠâ, and âI had no idea that by seeking help from the mental health care system for my alienation and angst I was jumping from the frying pan and into the fire.â –
I didnât smoke weed or play video games either. Nor was I a classic rebel. But I did frequent libraries and spend hours reading. Museums and art galleries werenât an option – way too far.
From an early age, I sensed the mental health care system wasnât the answer. Then a series of severe traumas happened (that I did not create) alienating me from myself. And any remaining faith I had in myself was further obscured by psychiatrists, therapists, and their dastardly psych drugs –
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Confronting psychiatryâs pseudoscience isnât enough, imo.
Psychotherapists need to confront themselves as well.
But I doubt more than a few have ever bothered to seriously question psychotherapyâs many assumed virtues, to say nothing of its many universally unacknowledged drawbacks, as most therapists are about as hooked on âtherapyâ as most psychiatrists are on their âscienceâ –
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Joshua nails it again –
ââŠthe idea of âhealingâ trivializes people and their complaints. Itâs how they get induced into discussing their affairs with psychotherapists.â
EXACTLY!!!
But have you considered using the word âseduceâ, rather than âinduceâ?
I think âseduceâ better describes psychotherapyâs process of âmind f***kâ –
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Joshua nails it –
âPeople who have been treated with dignity and respect and who have been given the chance to develop and apply their abilities are very unlikely to develop problems with drugs or alcohol. So what is needed is not this âRecoveryâ, but the opposite of it, awareness and understandingâ.
Awareness and understanding. Absolutely. The only thing I would add is that people who have been treated with dignity and respect arenât likely to end up in a âtherapistâsâ office either, as I consider âtalk therapyâ just another form of addiction – albeit a socially acceptable one –
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âŠincredibly overbearing and more than a little bit condescending.â
Thank you cynical.nihilist –
This is THE BEST description of âmental health professionalsâ Iâve ever read!
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And what is one of societyâs most harmful âunrealistic expectationsâ?
That âpsychotherapyâ is the BEST and ONLY way to successfully âtreatâ psychic distress. Just hearing this bullshit from psychologists (et al) and their numerous scores of wide-eyed sycophants is enough to make many anyone want to give up –
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Thank you Joshua for this comment! You must have read my mind.
Iâm no fan of psych drugs (to say the least), as these have proven to be not only âtherapeutically ineffectiveâ, but an indisputable menace to peopleâs physical health. But I donât consider âpsychotherapyâ to be any less appalling and dangerous. Indeed, psychotherapy just promotes another troubling and far more crippling form of psychological dependence, as it fosters belief and faith in âthe therapist/therapyâ MORE THAN ONESELF –
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And most psychiatrists are woefully ignorant of the fact that emotional pain is one of lifeâs greatest teachers, and should therefore NOT be silenced –
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Beauty isnât the only thing thatâs in the eyes of the beholder.
So is âpsychiatric illnessâ –
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A messed up body (from psych drugs) is bad enough, but a messed up mind from âpsychotherapyâ is even worse, as itâs often the point of no return –
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Dear Lynne,
Thank you again for your moving story. Itâs beautiful and poignant. And Iâm really glad you had such a fine person to help you. Itâs my wish that more people could be like Dr. Jones. If there were, thereâd be no more âmental illnessâ. And I believe it can happen, one person at a time.
And Iâm looking forward to reading your book, âOn Becoming Human: A Memoir –
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âŠexcept maybe NAMI fans and NYT readers –
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I did not find pharmaceuticals OR psychotherapy helpful. The most damaging thing to me were âtherapistsâ ideas that my grief and anxieties were âmaladaptiveâ. Itâs why I see âtherapyâ as even MORE harmful than âdrugsâ. Being forced to grapple with societyâs unrealistic expectations in ways that didnât ring true to me were my undoing, and what made me lose confidence in myself more than anything –
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Unfortunately, most psychiatrists, and much of the public, have distorted points of view, borne of their own misplaced fears, both conscious, and unconscious, and have therefore made psychiatric âpatientsâ their psychic âbeasts of burdenâ –
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Psychiatry and Big Pharma should take note –
People are wising up to the bullshit theyâre telling and selling –
Too bad Complacency is their middle name (::)
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To cynical.nihilist,
Thank you for your keen observations and assessments regarding the types of people NAMI attracts and caters to.
And how would I describe them? The word âobnoxiousâ comes to mind.
I donât think anyone (except maybe NAMI fans) has to think very hard to figure out why these peopleâs relatives go nuts (no disrespect intended). I sure would.
But it sounds like the NAMI-ITES would have a hard time hearing someone tell them, âyou drive me crazyâ, and – unfortunately – some people DO –
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dogworld says it best –
âTop down therapeutic styles (based on Freud) that masquerade as âperson centeredâ as if adults learn like children (they do not for very obvious reasons)â, and ââŠ.our western sensibilities more subtle, veneer of politeness, and just plain sadisticâ –
Thank you dogworld.
Iâve been trying to find the right words to describe my experience with âpsychotherapyâ my whole life –
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Thank you Lynne, for telling your story. I found it very moving.
And Iâm so happy your experience with psychotherapy worked for you. It sounds like Dr. Jones was an exceptional human being. But so are you!
Thank you again for sharing your remarkable story.
And I love your artwork!
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Thank you, Dr. Levine, a thousand times over, for seeing THE CHILDâS POINT OF VIEW –
Itâs about time somebody did –
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Thank you, Rosalee D
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What can be learned from reading Dr. Inselâs book?
That mainstream psychiatry is run by BUFFOONS –
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Too bad Insel couldnât see what mainstream psychiatry REALLY is, especially before wasting everyoneâs time and money –
And what is âmainstream psychiatry REALLYâ?
Politics and economics –
Oh. And who said that???
Dr. Szasz –
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I think the whole damn âmental healthâ system is perverted, and THAT goes for the school/âeducationâ system as well. And you donât have to wait to be âtraumatizedâ or âre-traumatizedâ by either one to find this out, as one âsystemâ is as stupid as the other, with both run by even stupider people. But there are few – if any – options.
Itâs become a matter of having to pick your poison –
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Psychiatric drugs are NOT âmedicationsâ. They are NUMBING agents. And some people find them helpful. But they carry a lot of risk, and psychiatryâs holding them up as magic bullets is what I object to. But the worldâs saturation with psych drugs wonât last forever, as sooner or later people get wise to the bullshit theyâre sold.
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People have a right to their own delusions, whatever they may be –
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People are slowly waking up to the fact that thereâs more to life than becoming one of mainstream psychiatryâs statistics/addicts –
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And why do most psychiatrists cling to the notion that psychiatric drugs are a reasonable and safe âline of treatmentâ? Because, just like their âresearch subjectsâ, theyâve fallen under the influence of the pharmaceutical industryâs OPERANT CONDITIONING –
Perks, anyone?
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Are most psychiatrists using their education the way they intended?
I think most are, unfortunately. Or at least the way mainstream psychiatry (and the pharmaceutical industry) intended –
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And what does indiscriminate, incessant prescribing of psych drugs (as well as the avalanche of pharmaceutical advertising) reveal about mainstream psychiatry?
An utter lack of concern for patient health and safety, complete disregard for medical integrity, and TOTAL vulgarity –
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âHealth care consumersâ arenât the only ones needing to ask themselves some important questions. Most psychiatrists need to do the same.
Are they utilizing their education the way they intended? Or are they content being one of mainstream psychiatryâs âwell educatedâ but clueless dupes, happily feeding at the pharmaceutical industryâs financially tempting pill-filled troughs?
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And what does incessant prescribing of psych drugs (and the avalanche of pharmaceutical advertising) reveal about mainstream psychiatry?
Itâs basic vulgarity –
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Maybe people would think twice about psych drugs if they realized theyâre seen as herd animals by mainstream psychiatrists and the pharmaceutical industry – and that thereâs more to life than becoming one of mainstream psychiatryâs âstatisticsâ –
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What is âemotional illiteracyâ?
The inability many practitioners may have understanding, cataloging, and managing their own, AND OTHERS, feelings –
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I can relate to what you say, Nikhto.
Although my nursery school was great (lots of free play, sing-a-longs and story time), kindergarten and beyond were a shock. I didnât do well until my teens, but then the cramming, regurgitation, and insane amounts of tests and homework did its own damage.
And I was also shocked when I learned the DSM has its own âdiagnosisâ and billing code for what it calls âSchool Refusalâ. Thatâs almost as bad as ODD, Oppositional Defiant Disorder. It makes me believe what coercive schooling starts, psychiatry finishes –
Good luck to you, Nikhto ~
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What does prescribing psych drugs do for people?
It can do a lot of things, many of which arenât very good, but mainly it indicates many a practitionerâs emotional illiteracy –
And what is âmany a practitionerâs emotional illiteracyâ?
Their inability to understand, catalog and manage their own emotions and feelings, which their psych drugs conveniently extinguish –
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Many practitioners (unbeknownst to themselves), find solace in acting out their own long forgotten family dynamics, and this is accomplished through the act of prescribing âmedicationsâ. Indeed, being captive of long forgotten unmet childhood needs can haunt âprofessionalsâ as much as anyone else. But awareness of these dynamics eludes them, so they hastily and unwaveringly resort to âmedicatingâ people faster than blinking an eye. So perhaps theyâd do well to read one of Dr. Jungâs many quotes, i.e. âEverything that irritates us about others can lead us to an understanding of ourselvesâ –
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Change may happen when people start seeing that taking psych drugs is for the practitionerâs benefit more than their own. Just think of the term âemotional regulationâ.
And if thatâs not enough, getting acquainted with what drug companies are really up to might do the trick. And what are drug companies really up to? Getting and keeping people dependent on their drugs. And a good way to get acquainted with this rarely discussed information is to read âThe Deadly Corruption of Clinical Trialsâ by Carl Elliot.
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Psychiatric pill pushing is a convenient and lucrative way for many practitioners to act out and find solace in their long forgotten childhood family dynamics, (i.e. The Golden Child, The Scapegoat). But no matter which end of the narcissistic spectrum a practitioner happens to fall into, the dynamics of the so-called âtherapeutic relationshipâ remain the same: an attention seeking power addict fixated on maintaining control of every aspect of their âpatientâsâ lives, and unconsciously their OWN lives, as becoming a professional âhero/healerâ is their way of achieving emotional âregulationâ, because these types of unbalanced relationships serve to maintain a practitionerâs tightly held illusions of being the embodiment and bearer of knowledge and truth, and to therefore act – or more accurately ACT OUT – their obsessive need to be seen as âthe authorityâ –
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Psychiatry should be called by its proper name, which is ADDICTION MEDICINE, as it fosters, creates and perpetuates its own unique brand of diagnoses, drugs, and eventual ADDICTS –
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Thank you Steve for the ncbi link. Itâs good to see that withdrawal from psych drugs is being taken more seriously. But I canât help thinking that a lot of peopleâs problems could have been easily avoided had they not been prescribed to in the first place. And as reassuring as formal studies can be, theyâre cold comfort to those who have suffered, are suffering, or will suffer, and unnecessarily so.
I see the creation, marketing, and prescribing of psychiatric âmedicationsâ as the most appalling and glaring example of institutional corruption out there. But I like holding the thought that before too long, psychiatric âmedicationsâ could go the way of the cigarette industry; itâs still here, but is no longer looked at as it once was not too long ago, as public sentiment has changed drastically in recent years. And Iâve never underestimated the power of peopleâs own good sense eventually coming to the fore –
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Change will come when people start realizing that taking psych drugs is more for the practitionerâs benefit than their own, as most practitioners are unconsciously self serving and having people on psych drugs eases their rigidly trained minds –
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Maybe people would think twice about gulping down pharmaceutical psych poisons if they realized what theyâre actually swallowing –
And what are they actually swallowing?
Chemical bullets to silence their voice and kill their spirit –
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I think most doctors have become impulsive; indeed, many seem to have developed the seriously bad habit of prescribing psych drugs willy nilly – and Iâve yet to hear them adequately question the value, safety, or necessity of prescribing psych drugs in the first place, or question their unfounded insistence on keeping people on psych drugs for unreasonably long and indefinite periods of time. No wisdom there –
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And isnât it interesting how most psychiatrists shy away from using the word âwithdrawalâ when commenting on âpatientsâ stopping their psych drugs? So theyâve latched onto the word âdiscontinuationâ, because their saying âwithdrawalâ would be indirectly admitting that mainstream psychiatry facilities drug addiction –
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And I look forward to reading your latest book, âA PROFESSION WITHOUT REASON: The Crisis of Contemporary PsychiatryâUntangled and Solved by Spinoza, Freethinking, and Radical Enlightenment –
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Dr. Favaâs blog gives a good example of where mainstream psychiatry MIGHT eventually end up going –
Down yet another rabbit hole of most likely harmful and ultimately futile âresearch and fundingâ –
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Most medical specialties can lay claim to finding more cures and therapies, whereas mainstream psychiatry specializes in creating and naming its very own set of iatrogenic illnesses, i.e. MORE diagnoses, MORE drugs FOR THEIR iatrogenic illnesses –
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