A Working Brain computer interface for the paralyzed was on 60 minutes tonight March 26, 2023.
Ugly and bulky as F though . And they did tell the body-brain tends to cover the contact points in a year or two.
The FDA has approved brain interfaces for (DBS) Parkinson’s, and cochlear implants (year 1990), so I would say one branch of the FDA doesn’t know what an other branch is doing?
“The FDA approves VIM-DBS for essential tremor and severe tremor in PD.”year 1996
“The FDA expands indications for DBS, approving its use in the subthalamic nucleus and globus pallidus” year 2001″
Elon Musk should say he is working on improving Parkinson’s, and cochlear implants, and “accidentally” find other uses.
without corporal punishment all they have is magical psychiatric medicines to control the elderly who are not obeying orders.
See “over-medicating of seniors in long-term care facilities”.
or “Thousands of patients with dementia in nursing facilities are being overmedicated with psychotropic drugs,”
Bruce Levine says by the pharmaceutic industry numbers alone a certain percentage of the population will go crazy from psychiatry drugs-medicine effects on the brain.
So from day to day we will have dramatic episodes on the news of people losing their minds.
On the slow news we have people who do not have the will or discipline to keep their homes clean (called hoarders), and in both cases the general public calls for MORE psychiatry and their magical medicine to make “bad” people “good”.
IMO the (real) doctors have to tell the psychiatric medicine are just drugs, and people need a fully working brain to think and act correctly. (There is no magic pill.)
Act correctly with discipline, patience, sobriety, kindness, and other good things that an un-drugged brain might chose to do. A drugged brain will have difficulty acting disciplined (cleaning / personal hygiene), being patient, and being kind.
If you want to go to Evil, some evil people want those down and out, to stay down and out (on drugs called medicine) so not to challenge their authority. Those with the gold rule, so maybe without corporal punishment all they have is magical psychiatric medicines to control the (unruly) poor.
You wrote “we do not have a right to die”
We do so have a right to die.
What depends is how fast the suicide is. A slow suicide IS allowed, while a quick one is not.
Slow suicide.
You can eat yourself to overweight and if you have someone to feed you keep eating. Right to keep eating
Drink (alcohol) to excess and keep going. Right to keep drinking
Smoke to excess and keep smoking. Right to keep smoking.
If a person makes a (credible) threat to kill someone, what happens?
from internet….
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What Is a Criminal Threat?
A criminal threat involves one person threatening someone else with physical harm or death. To be convicted, the prosecution must prove:
the defendant communicated a threat of harm to another
the defendant intended that the communication be taken as a threat, and
the threat was credible and specific so as to place a person in fear of harm.
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So threatening to kill oneself has similar consequences and should first go through the legal system to establish the facts of the case.
A person can’t be free to threaten others or threaten to kill themselves without serious consequence.
This is in conflict with the “please talk about your feelings” advice on thinking suicidal. It puts the person who hears the threat in a difficult position.
Do the crime , do the time. Thinking suicidal should be put back in the closet, no sane being would consider it. Do any animals commit suicide?
I also enjoy this song and it reminds me of the artist
John Lennon’s quote ” Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we’re being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I’m liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That’s what’s insane about it.”
“But I don’t want to go among mad people,” Alice remarked.
“Oh, you can’t help that,” said the Cat: “we’re all mad here. I’m mad. You’re mad.”
“How do you know I’m mad?” said Alice.
“You must be,” said the Cat, “or you wouldn’t have come here.”
― Lewis Carroll, Alice in Wonderland
Do big brained animals know they are going to die one day? How do they handle that information?
Everything we do will turn into dirt/burn/dissolve shortly after we are dead.
The only thing we can leave behind ( in the stream of time) are our children, and I have no children.
What is crazy? “It’s not crazy if it works!”
So take that, if someone/something is working, it is not crazy.
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What is stupid? “It’s not stupid if it works!”
So take that, if someone/something is working, it is not stupid.
“Formerly, when religion was strong and science weak, men mistook magic for medicine; now, when science is strong and religion weak, men mistake medicine for magic.” ~ Thomas Szasz, M.D.
Steve wrote “It is baffling to me that they continue to get away with it.”
Pastor Martin Niemöller
“Then they got rid of the sick, the so-called incurables” The second group written in Niemöller’s source text.
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
When Pastor Niemöller was put in a concentration camp we wrote the year 1937; when the concentration camp was opened we wrote the year 1933, and the people who were put in the camps then were Communists. Who cared about them? We knew it, it was printed in the newspapers. Who raised their voice, maybe the Confessing Church? We thought: Communists, those opponents of religion, those enemies of Christians – “should I be my brother’s keeper?” Then they got rid of the sick, the so-called incurables. – I remember a conversation I had with a person who claimed to be a Christian. He said: Perhaps it’s right, these incurably sick people just cost the state money, they are just a burden to themselves and to others. Isn’t it best for all concerned if they are taken out of the middle [of society]? — Only then did the church as such take note. Then we started talking, until our voices were again silenced in public. Can we say, we aren’t guilty/responsible? The persecution of the Jews, the way we treated the occupied countries, or the things in Greece, in Poland, in Czechoslovakia or in Holland, that were written in the newspapers. … I believe, we Confessing-Church-Christians have every reason to say: mea culpa, mea culpa!
We can talk ourselves out of it with the excuse that it would have cost me my head if I had spoken out.
There used to be walls on every city to keep the barbarians out.
Today there are no walls.
Everyone must follow orders. The barbarians are inside the city.
This person hears ideas? He/she might not follow orders.
Twelve Monkeys film in my head.
James Cole:
“So now it’s not about the virus at all. It’s about following orders, doing what you’re told.”
I have had “psychotic” delusions, but all is not black and white, you might not be entirely wrong…. or right.
Only when psychotic does a person have certainty. Any educated intelligent person has room in their mind for doubt.
That is the (my) fun and thrill of psychosis , full certainty of truth, of being right.
The delusion of that one is in a reality like the Truman Show movie, is not black and white.
The famous director Alfred Hitchcock said “What is drama, after all, but life with the dull bits cut out.”
Day by day we are producing our own film in our minds. No boring parts? That is a good film.
If you take/make dangerous decisions because you believe you ARE in a film (with no consequences), yes that is ???? stupid maybe?
Psychiatry destroys BOTH male and female, I don’t know why you think male patients do any better than female. That they JUST destroy the female patients is bull.
So there goes your misogyny, if they hate males just as well as female?
I would say psychiatry is a matriarchy not a patriarchy for they do not put people in prison but in a hospital. People are not guilty or responsible for their actions (something a mother would say) because they do not know any better and are not in their right mind.
“The insanity defense, also known as the mental disorder defense, is an affirmative defense by excuse in a criminal case, arguing that the defendant is not responsible for their actions due to an episodic or persistent psychiatric disease at the time of the criminal act.” While a patriarchy would put someone in prison and call it a prison.
“that you can only access welfare if you’ll take a psychiatric diagnosis and take the medication.”
in psychiatry people get help with psychiatry medicine, they’re not controlled or coerced with (no visible violence) poisons.<matriarchy
"He whips out his prescription pad, and he writes out a prescription for Prozac."
It is about selling legal drugs as "medicine" to a willing public. (on the voluntary side of psychiatry)
in the article
“Haldol was supplanted by a new generation of ‘antipsychotics,’ though it remains a drug of choice in emergency rooms”
I used to read the thoughts of emergency room workers on the blog world, and they believe you can NOT give an overdose of Haldol, as no science has reported it to them as being possible. While anecdotally you can read of them giving uncooperative prisoner/patients dose after dose. If the patient dies, they blame it on the patients illegal drug use. Was it the illegal drug? No one will ever know.
You can not write your argument for “feeling suicidal” coherently . First there is a feeling which we both agree. Second is the action. If feeling hungry you can find/ make some food. If feeling thirsty you can find and drink some water. You can not feel the future action of “finding/making some food” you can not feel the future action of “finding/drinking some water” . There IS a step between a feeling and an action.
Sorry I do not believe feelings can be suicidal. Suicide is an complex action. You are misnaming a feeling.
Some feelings are hunger and tired and thirsty. There are possible actions to take if you feel hungry, tired or thirsty.
To say you or other people are feeling suicidal is a lie and a mistake that makes people think there is no way out.
If you listen carefully to professionals talk/write about suicide, they know this truth and say “if you are thinking suicidal” not feeling.
I’m not catholic but I believe the priests can forgive your mistakes or sins (some times you can bribe them with money in the case of a divorce), while psychiatry writes your mistakes or sins down on paper, never to be forgotten. Humans did not have cheap paper until mass production so I don’t know if the Catholic church would have used this device given the chance. In psychiatry Sins/mistakes are forgiven if you take/worship the holy molecules of science, but they are still written down and you may sin again just like you did in the past. Look its written down, so its proof. Squiggly black marks on a white substance…What isn’t fallible?
If you know anything about the metal lead, you know millions have been poisoned by leaded gasoline. So it would have been interesting to know if anyone had the information of the blood lead levels in all these children. As if you have lead in you, your brain, it reduces your intelligence.
Toxic legacy of leaded gasoline https://youtu.be/YmJLPuNFjmA
I don’t understand why so many people use the word “medications” when it is just drugs. Please write the word “psychiatric “, if you are going to write medications. “Psychiatric medications” to be specific because they are not medicines in the traditional penicillin and insulin kind of medicine.
Drugs vs medicine
Whats the correct dose? arbitrary with no measurement tools.
When does it end? never, with no measurement tools.
Do not throw all brain imaging out, as some can prove brain damage and the worsening of brain function. (From WHAT?) Autopsy can prove brain changes to the dopamine transmit-receive functions.
A worsening of brain function would likely mean a stupider “patient” which is the opposite of what the psychiatrist claims they want.
The psychiatrist claims they want the patient to have an insight into their illness.
Found one video of Szasz “Albert Ellis and Thomas Szasz Debate Mental Illness: Primal Scream Therapy” https://youtu.be/l4AwFIVsPE8?t=73
Freedom to worship what you want to worship, but most everyone , lawyers and judges believe the psychiatric drugs are in FACT, medicines.
I blame all the other legitimate (physical science) doctors who go along with psychiatry, but many doctors have severe sadness themselves and seek/take the magical pills of psychiatry.
The planets destruction by the hands of mankind will sort it out one day.
I second this comment that psychiatry is a religion. Thomas Szasz has said as much if you read between the lines of the writings. Why Szasz did not like “antipsychiatry” the same way you can be anti-christian or anti-jewish. People can choose to worship the holy molecules of psychiatry or not.
Informed consent starts with facts like the brain uses 0.000001 volts and they administer up to 400 volts to get a seizure. The professionals call the voltage small and get away with the lie. Why do other professionals not call them on the lie of small?
We live in different universes.
In my prison for the last twenty years or so they have had drugs that melt on contact with the patients tongue and saliva , so you can not cheek them. Before the newer delivery system they would put the drugs in a drink in the size of a small shot glass, with a liquid drink so the “patient” could not cheek the drug.
And the food was never drugged because one patient could give their food to another patient, or the food could be taken/stolen by another patient.
The only antidote to the drugs I know of is water. Drinking huge amounts of water. An action/behaviour which they also have named a mental illness.
The water fountain only gave out a tiny trickle of water and was useless and disgusting. The number one thing you need is a container that can hold a large amount of water, so you know how much you have drunk. You do not want to over consume water, you can die from that as well.
In this thread the comment “The Control Drug Fluphenazine killed (kills) more ‘Psychiatric Patients’ than Hitler” is disputed by Joanna Badura.
The increased mortality rate/shorter life of the mentally ill is known and yet is ignored, does back this claim up.
The math of millions of people on the drugs (all psychiatric drugs) does prove that the slow euthanasia has a higher death toll(total) than the five years of Hitlers rule. There was a YouTube video of professionals discussing the math of millions killed, but I can’t find it at the moment. (and this comment might not be printed if I put the link in.)
“Formerly, when religion was strong and science weak, men mistook magic for medicine; now, when science is strong and religion weak, men mistake medicine for magic.” Szasz.
Billion dollars a year are being made by Pharma company and the deaths are written off as natural causes, because both doctors prescribe the drugs and doctors analyze the cause of deaths.
Planned VS unplanned doesn’t matter does it?
The planet warming too fast for species to cope and world ecosystem failing will shortly bring an end to the matter.
On YouTube there are some videos on the the anatomy of the brain and a few point out where “schizophrenia” is located in the brain. The neurologist doctors do not respond to comments, and continue teaching falsehoods.
Besides brain damage from a voltage thousands of times of what a “normal” brain runs on.
The heart can stop from ECT.
Imagine you as a doctor want to administer medicine after the heart stops, how will it travel through the body? The medicine can not leave the site you injected it into, such as the arm because there is no pulse.
Google “asystole in ECT”, they treat it like it is nothing. “In all, 65.8% of patients experienced asystole at some time during their course of ECT. “
The reporter wrote
“Perhaps I’m looking at this wrong. Maybe the anguished screams that once rang through these buildings will be exorcized by the delighted shrieks of Halloween revelers. Maybe the joy and laughter will wipe the walls clean of the agony that still clings to them.
But as someone who heard the screams when they were real, I just can’t get there. ”
The patients had the luxury of screaming? They were lucky to be able and allowed to scream in my opinion/experience.
It is far worse to be not allowed or to be unable to scream by the psychiatric “medications” that make the observer happy. What crime did I commit again? (to deserve such treatment) There was a trial?
A psychiatrist saying “You will get sick again.” ( you need me because you need legal drugs)
Is like saying you are going to break your leg again, so you have to wear a cast for the rest of your life. It is bullsh$t. I will not break my leg, though I admit the possibility exists.
In degrees of sickness, how sick will I get? There won’t only be good days ahead, but bad days? What makes me sick? How do psychiatric drugs help?
The feeling of Fear make me sick and the fear of being hospitalized-jailed, and drugged-poisoned can be a feedback loop.
As I now have no fear of being hospitalized-jailed, and drugged-poisoned there is no feedback loop.
If the psychiatrist do not have medicines to give to (or force onto) their patients, then they are not doctors are they?
To dmschlom
Everyone is for psychiatry for the fear of the future. The patient is continually drugged for fear of the future. Everyone knows there is no chemical imbalance, virus or bacteria. Controlling the other person but how?
Insane actions have been with mankind since the start of time and psychiatry and its drugs is the panacea.
I do not have the technical expertise to put this data into program that can extrapolate the results of the drugging in a few years.
More drugs only lead to more drugs, but that IS what drug dealers sell.
The people not making money from not selling drugs need to show the governments (that is paying for a lot of the drugs) the stats on the increasing rates of mental illness and that the drugs are not working as claimed. But who has the money to lobby the government?
Numerous people have lost their kidney, as in the kidney dies, from the lithium “medicine”. If a real doctor wants to see if your kidneys are functioning properly, you should let them and give them a urine sample if they request it.
I wonder if he did , or was forced to do a cold turkey withdrawal from the psych drugs? As those that issue the drugs delusionally think there are no withdrawal effects.
Kendra wrote in the article “He had gained 30 pounds and could barely speak.” on the drugs.
With little ability to behave psychotic, the patient isn’t psychotic, thinks the quack doctor.
Frog goes deaf story A scientist is working in the lab with a frog. He has trained it to respond to simple verbal commands and wants to observe its ability to jump after it has lost one or more of its limbs. He starts by saying, “ok frog, jump.” The frog quickly does a small hop. The scientist notes, “frog jumps easily.”
The scientist then cuts off one of its legs and says “ok frog, jump.” The frog again hops, but with a bit of difficulty. The scientist notes, “frog with 3 legs still able to jump.”
The scientist cuts off another leg and says “ok frog, jump.” The frog stumbles awkwardly but is still able to do a small hop. The scientist notes, “frog with 2 legs able to hop a bit.”
Then he cuts off the third leg and repeats the command. The frog pushes with its remaining leg, trying to hop, and finally propels itself forward a bit. The scientist notes, “frog with one leg unable to jump fully, but can move forward.”
The scientist then cuts off its last leg and says “ok frog, jump.” The frog does nothing. The scientist repeats his command but the frog still does nothing. “Jump frog, jump!” But the frog doesn’t move.
The scientist notes, “frog with no legs goes deaf.”
Patient on anti-psychotics , without symptoms has been successfully treated.
You wrote “Everybody needs to “walk out” of psychiatry.”
I ask the SMI patients entertaining the thought, to not forget where the money comes from to pay the rent and food bills. BEFORE you walk out.
You do not want to be homeless.
“There are no US national laws on ECT leaving individual state governments to regulate treatment. Whereas some states have detailed restrictions on use, other states have no regulation at all. This variation applies to multiple areas of ECT practice, including who can receive ECT, who can provide informed consent, who can prescribe or perform ECT, and what administrative requirements (eg, fees, reporting) must be met by ECT practitioners. Knowledge of these state laws will help providers not only to be aware of their own state’s regulations, but also to have a general awareness of what other states mandate for better patient care and utilization of ECT. ” https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28991068/
here in Canada Ativan given/forced on patients.
quote from article “”That was my first question when I got to the hot zone,” she said. “Where is the oxygen?”
Instead, she said, nurses were given a protocol to follow, which involved administering morphine and lorazepam — commonly known as Ativan — to calm the patient down.
Title “No oxygen or running water in hot zone at worst-hit long-term care home in Quebec, inquest hears” https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/chsld-sainte-dorothee-coroners-inquest-1.6068266
Right Steve. That day I was thinking specifically of city employee’s who do not perform there job. The public is paying the city workers when they pay their taxes, the public has the problem ( of no services).
Then I carried it over to psychiatry. What is a psychiatrists, or psychiatries motivation to change? When their (shrinks) common belief in the example of when someone is ill , the patients needs more psychiatric drugs, not less.
from https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/aurora_shooting
“He did tell Fenton the medication hadn’t helped his obsessive thoughts. She doubled the dose of sertraline from 50mg to 100mg. “
Remember to question who is giving you advice.
How is their withdrawal going? Why take their advice?
Keep a notebook/logbook written in your own hand of your journey like a sea fairing captain would. This is the only way to learn from your mistakes and what works.
If you successfully withdraw, I am / you are , a threat to their ( the mass population of taking drugs) religion, and they don’t like it.
“If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.”― Lyndon B. Johnson
If you(the psychiatrist) can convince the lowest man he’s better than the best schizo/bipolar/whatever, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.
Looking down on the mental patient is enjoyed by all “normal” people, maybe the last prejudice.
Szasz video https://youtu.be/5xstBU83rbI?t=41
truth793 wrote “I have no sympathy for someone who thinks treatment consists solely in prescribing drugs”
Without drugs (renamed medicines) you can no longer claim psychiatry is a medicinal treatment , it is a religious/moral treatment if it only uses words/talking/ communication.
People usually get to chose what religion to follow/worship.
“funding to research a fairly homogeneous population with a common ancestry” looking for biological evidence, when we know there is no evidence in the DNA or whatever. The second there is evidence of “mental illness” it is no longer mental illness but physical illness.
People who are poor have bad nutrition, bad physical effects on their brain, body and soul.
The guy is talking about poverty not mental illness. Poverty needs to be studied? What BS.
“argues that mental health research is inequitably distributed across the globe.” You can only look after your own country. People need clean water and food more than mental health services. He is asking for a WHO or NATO and the United Nations mental health police?
A typo on the HTML links, “Letters to the editor from Joanne Moncrieff, and David Taylor/Mark Horowitz.” are reversed, as in each hotlink goes to the other.
I had a broken computer and stuck a broken post it note on it to remind me to fix it. Fixed the computer but forgot to remove the note. The next person observing the computer thought it was broken because of the old label on it. The computer worked fine, but the person thought it was broken because of a label.
Then you get to the human factor , if the person believes they are broken/defective from the past judgement. Léolo – fight scene https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMgWZ7PUrRY
In the religion of psychiatry they write down the persons confession, so it can never be forgotten. Will the confession be forgiven? If you worship and consume the holy molecules of science, (medication compliant) you will be forgiven.
“Why does asking for emotional support”
The person is not asking for emotional support , the person is threatening to hurt or kill someone. If the police are aware of someone threatening to hurt or kill someone their job is to intervene.
The dark comedy is when the police arrive to help, very often the kill the person they are supposed to protect/serve/save.
Don’t threaten to hurt or kill anyone and you wont get into trouble.
TD brain damage produces involuntary movements and behavior that makes a person look crazy to “normal” people. The charlatans want to promote the belief the crazy person is a real thing, a thing that would exist without a psychiatrist and people jerking around does sell the need for a doctor. but the doctor created the problem shhh shhh now.
Narcissism was recently invented and it does describe psychiatry
4 traits
1. They will never apologize. I am helping you! Don’t you want help?
2. They will never assume responsibility of their faults. This article on psych drugs effects , etc
3. They will never be introspective. Is the patient really ill? Am I helping the patient? Am I a doctor?
4. They will never be forgiving. The patient will always be mentally ill or temporarily in remission.
I am surprised this comment was allowed by the censors. I will attempt to back it up with online articles
Nazis increased the likelihood of death and decreased the likelihood to have children in their enemies.
Death: increased chance of
“By Marilyn Elias, USA TODAY
Adults with serious mental illness treated in public systems die about 25 years earlier than Americans overall, a gap that’s widened since the early ’90s when major mental disorders cut life spans by 10 to 15 years, according to a report due Monday. ” https://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/health/2007-05-03-mental-illness_N.htm
Reproduction: having children
Sexual side effects of pharmacological treatment of psychiatric diseases
“there is consistent evidence to suggest that a large number of psychiatric medications adversely affect one or more of the three phases of normal sexual response: desire, arousal, and orgasm. ” https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20668442/
Human behaviour ( like animal behaviour) is driven by genes in a way, the urge to reproduce. If the animal or human doesn’t have the behaviour, you know the results, they don’t have offspring.
seinfeldscripts.com/TheContest.htm
GEORGE: Oh boy..
JERRY: What are we doing here..?
GEORGE: ..Oh boy.
JERRY: This is ridiculous.
GEORGE: Do you believe this? We’re fighting. We’re fighting.
JERRY: I haven’t been myself lately. I’ve been snapping at everybody.
GEORGE: Me too. I’ve been yelling at strangers on the street.
I LOL’ed at the beginning. “Do you know how you got here?” I had no idea how any of us got here. Big Bang? Evolution? I shrugged again.
Because it was true for myself as well. They are speaking literally , and you are thinking in another way like figuratively, or too deep.
Movie Phenomenon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHDSNs9wBpU
“Don’t the Iranians have enough misery” you are writing like there is someone watching out for the people, there isn’t. Just like there is no one watching out for the planet.
Selling legal drugs is expanding is all. People want the drugs( named medicine) and those that don’t want or approve of medicine are Neanderthals. it is a perfect system, if it wasn’t perfect it would/could not continue to exist.
I too can ” look back on what I’ve been through with anger.”
and this anger at the injustice can be named “psychosis” by those who claim to be helping with “medicine”.
So I must forgive , but not forget, and be grateful for what I still have.
Thank you Robert Whitaker for continuing to fight to show the evidence of the effectiveness of the psychiatric drugs over time.
Yes the psychiatric medications used to be called neuroleptics, and they should be continued to called neuroleptics because if you personally have not been forced to, coerced to, or willingly have taken the drugs, you do not know the effects. The term “Anti-psychotic” medicine makes the “chemical lobotomy” palatable to the person who has not taken the drug.
Advice to the recovering schizophrenic in regards to the chart “Psychotic symptoms in schizophrenia” 23% VS 79%. What is psychotic? It means different things to different people. Today we have digital cameras. Get one and photograph your psychotic symptoms.
It is not surprising to me that being tied up for 15 years makes it unlikely to recover. A person needs a fully operating brain for a mind to work.
You wrote “no one knows that the damages are from chemicals do they. “?
Yes the invisible beating that can not be proven as a violent act. When they change the name of chemical/drug to “medicine” , then no one can question the treatment. What was/is the illness the medicines are prescribed for again? What proof is there of an illness? Who is being disturbed?
You want to deprive a child of medicine? You must be ill.
You also wrote “I do hope that eventually psychiatry becomes part of an ugly history”
The trouble is those that drug children ( both parent and psychiatrist), and those that have invested a lifetime into a chemical solution to “wrong” behaviour will not want to admit they are wrong about the drugs.
You wrote “By measuring that some neurotransmitter levels were lowered, or raised by the drugs, it was concluded that everything the people taking these drugs had been going through was caused by too much, or too little of the neurotransmitter.”
Secondly you wrote “why is it important to believe in a mental illness?”
People used to sin before “mental illness” was invented. You do not have to believe or not believe in sin for the behavior to exist.
Change it to “why is it important to believe in a sin?”
Szasz wrote “In our fervor to medicalize morals, we have transformed every sin but
one into sickness. Anger(5), gluttony(2), lust(1), pride(7), sloth(4) are all the symptoms
of mental diseases. Only lacking compassion (kindness) is still a sin.”
I must concede alcohol addiction might have to be a slow withdrawal. https://www.healthline.com/health/alcoholism/withdrawal#symptoms (they prescribe more drugs, different drugs for the absence of the drug alcohol)
“The symptoms may worsen over two to three days, and some milder symptoms may persist for weeks in some people. “
I am glad for the scientific evidence, the more the better. But it is like stating the sky is the color blue usually, taking drugs that shrink the brain and a infection of COVID19 at the same time is bad. https://www.nature.com/news/2011/110207/full/news.2011.75.html
Philip, Thanks for the criticism . Thanks for the (imaginary) conversation of the first meeting.
“Patient”: Why am I here?
Psychiatrist: Because you are experiencing auditory hallucinations, paranoid delusions, and disordered thinking.
It is a prison.
“Patient”: The only distress I’m feeling is because you’re keeping me locked up in this place.
If you, the patient gets angry ( the normal response) then you, the patient, need more drugs they call medication.
The system is perfect, if it wasn’t perfect it wouldn’t exist.
Sorry the link doesn’t work. It works for me. Just a joke.
Half of the joke is the delivery , so you have to know how Carlin did his stand up.
Carlin was saying “I don’t have pet peeves ( pause) , I have major psychotic **** hatreds!” audience laughs. another link https://www.quotes.net/mquote/35860
Here is a story for you on a blind person.
“One explanation, that B.T. was “malingering,” or lying about her disability, was disproved by an EEG test. When B.T. was in her two blind states, her brain showed none of the electrical responses to visual stimuli that sighted people would display — even though B.T.’s eyes were open and she was looking right at them.”
To MSIDHU who wrote”down-side to medications we have today, like in other aspects of medicine treating cancer, end stage renal disease”
Choices versus diseases….
Dr. Thomas Szasz (1920-2012) wrote
“In physics the same laws are used to explain why airplanes fly and why they crash. In medicine the same principles are used to explain why people live and why they die. In psychiatry, however, one set of rules is used to explain sane behavior and another set of rules is used to explain insane behavior: sane behavior is attributed to reasons (choices), insane behavior to causes (diseases).”
Great response Steve McCrea, thanks for responding to “theloniusmonk”.
Those afraid that some one will take their drugs away, or afraid the chemical restraints placed on a family member might be removed , will defend the drugs as “medicine”.
UPDATE CBS News has retracted their story that they knew each other. IF they had known each other and had grievances between them, those grievances could have been a factor for motivation. I’m sorry I trusted CBS news.
If precious metals are no longer precious metals, as in, they have no value or power , then the pyramid has no top, no way to pay or motivate those under them.
On the CBS news tonight it was reveled the police officer Derek Chauvin knew George Floyd , so that changes the murder from blind racism to something else. IMO obviously all officers should pass some kind of psychology test to indicate that they are not racist. That this test does not exist, or that the existing test let police officer Derek Chauvin become an officer is wrong.
Dr. Jeffrey Steinberg in a video at time index 03:18 of 04:10 schizophrenia is about to be found in the genome . LOL. What are they going to do when it can not be found?
Fictional word of psychotic is used in the video. People are mistaken, people are stupid, people are angry.
They are never going to admit schizophrenia doesn’t exist as a disease. Behaviour is not a disease. “In psychiatry, we use one set of laws to explain sane behaviour, which we attribute to reasons (choices), and another set of laws to explain insane behaviour, which we attribute to causes (diseases).” Szasz
Another factor is the persons teeth. Chewing food lets you get nutrition. My teeth are in bad shape, how about yours?
“Many psychoactive medications cause dry mouth, which makes teeth much more prone to decay,”
If you can’t get out of bed from the psychiatric medication, you also will be unlikely to take care of your teeth.
You apparently do not know the Catch 22. If you are sane enough to seek help it means you are too sane and do NOT need help. Only those who have lack of insight and can not believe/conceive themselves as wrong(ill) need “help”. You were merely neurotic and they can only treat the psychotic. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catch-22_(logic)
Szasz “Doubt is to certainty as neurosis is to psychosis. The neurotic is in doubt and has fears about persons and things; the psychotic has convictions and makes claims about them. In short, the neurotic has problems, the psychotic has solutions.
selective breeding of the population for 50 years.
“D. K. Belyaev in Novosibirik, Siberia….selection for specific behaviours such as tameness … after relatively few generations, the foxes were increasingly tame and docile,”
They put “I dream of jeannie” reruns back on TV here, and the psychiatrist is portrayed as an idiot. Was this a PR stunt to get people to trust shrinks again after WW2?
Like the TV show Hogans Heroes is supposed to make us forget the nazis ?
Children by definition can not be mentally ill, only adults are expected to be able to control themselves ( in the battle between emotions VS intellect).
Dr. Szasz “the child mental patient is doubly disfranchised ”
The drugs are just non-visible ropes and straitjackets. Everyone has forgotten how the mentally ill were treated before drugs.
Are you following orders? Then you wont get drugged.
Regarding ” I have not had to reveal my psychiatric condition to my employers.”
Do not ever reveal your psychiatric history or whatever.
The “normal” person fears the future and fears the “mentally ill” that is why they have so much faith ( religion) in the drugs they call medicine.
If confronted on their understanding of “mental illness” it is soon obvious they have cognitive dissonance on the subject, and NO ONE wants this pointed out.
Thank you Robert for this analysis.
I would add the drugs sexual effects on the brains D2 receptors has not been reported/studied. Numerous rat brain studies show haloperidol and clozapine stop male sexual behaviour.
There is no antipsychotic drug because there is no psychotic molecule, virus bacteria. This is a con game with acronyms to make it seem legitimate. When will the house of cards collapse? Pretty soon I think.
Thanks for responding Rachel. I would add that my parents are invested in the description of schizophrenia, as if it is wrong it means they have betrayed me (their child) for the years past, and they could not have done that could they? Who would betray their child? It is not possible….
Once labelled , you can not be unlabelled . I challenge you to find people who have had their mental illness diagnosis removed. Your/their illness may be in remission and at the present time, you/they may be “stable”.
Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall,
Humpty Dumpty had a great fall;
All the King’s horses
And all the King’s men,
Couldn’t put Humpty together again.
What is important is functionality, how well you can function.
What is functional? If you don’t know, then that is half the problem. Magic pills are not going to educate anyone magically. Psychiatrists who complain of lack of insight (in their patient) while making their patients stupid are the the insane ones.
oldhead, Psychiatry can not be abolished, like the religious group of Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism can not be abolished. People willingly worship psychiatry and this worship can not be stopped.
oldhead people want and need drugs. Drugs are the number one reason for psychiatry in my opinion. People need a legal way of getting drugs for themselves, or for forcing the drugs on others to control them. Only psychiatry can legitimize the consumption of drugs.
If you are looking for more HORROR, you can look at a medical paper from 1961 on targeting the deep brain.
While today the neurosurgeon / psychiatrist is looking at the reptilian brain in the human brain or the root core of the brain, where the emotions are thought to be, back in 1961 they were destroying/ stimulating the thinking part of the brain the frontal lobe.
I did not know when lobotomy was abandoned, but from Wikipedia “Doctors in the Soviet Union concluded that the procedure was “contrary to the principles of humanity” and “‘through lobotomy’ an insane person is changed into an idiot.” By the 1970s, numerous countries had banned the procedure as had several US states.”
Meds you write. The drugs are not medications. There is no measurable illness the drugs are affecting. Should the dose be 4mg or 100 mg? The decision is totally arbitrary. There is no science to back up the claim the drugs are medicine as there are no brain chemical (imbalance) tests. A comparison is the thickness of the rope binding the person like a 4 piece stranded rope or a 100 stranded rope or the different types of metal that can be used in handcuffs. And people willingly go along with this idea of drugs as medicine.
When is the stop date to the medicine? When is the stop day of the drug? Human behavior, a human’s choice to do/perform evil or good is not a medical problem.
“who is helping people to understand that the drugs they take may be too many?”
Drugs? They are not drugs they are (magical) medications that can only do good because a doctor prescribed them.
Too many(much)? People can not take too much of the God they worship. Don’t you want to be more like a perfect God?
“shouldn’t she have figured out” What the FORK??? how do you figure something out without the thing that does the figuring?
“But if you don’t take the psychiatric drugs you will be-come mentally ill ” they say.The Paradox power of psychiatry , my icon of one hand drawing the other (M.C. Escher). The only person who can leave the equation is the “patient”. The physical drug addiction AND society belief in magical psychiatric drugs makes it extremely difficult.
The original “first they came for” by Martin Niemöller January 1946 does have the mentally ill named “Then they got rid of the sick, the so-called incurables.” http://marcuse.faculty.history.ucsb.edu/niem.htm
The only difference between the sane and the insane is that the sane have the power to lock up the insane.
Hunter S. Thompson
The “long term recovery rates for the schizophrenic patient” can be translated to “long term recovery rates for the Communist” why would a communist work for the authority that would jail , poison or kill him/her?
If you do have a high enough voltage/current to reach the brain, it becomes painful and you have to use anesthesia.
It is all quackery to say people and children’s choices are not their choices.
There are people who defend the religion (that isn’t a religion. HOW DARE YOU SAY IT IS A RELIGION) of the worship of the holy molecules of science that can only do good things to people.
When in fact the molecules, the drugs can hurt people as well as “help” people.
“Cooper … there’s a stigma for people actually seeking medical help for something that could save their life.”
This person can not conceive that the psychiatric drugs ( renamed medications) could END and damage peoples lives.
From the article “When I was suicidal, content about suicide was soothing for me. ”
In music
Just Want To See – Cowboy Junkies outube.com/watch?v=a4jq5qbLgAg
I don’t want to be no patch on no quilt
(I just want to see . . . )
Tear-stained stitching linking memories to guilt
(I just want to see . . . )
I don’t want to be no hair on no wall
(I just want to see . . . )
Blood-stained note saying ***k you all
(I just want to see what kills me)
You wrote “I think the majority of “mental health” workers may actually suffer from doublethink”
No they do NOT suffer from it, they make a living from the trick. They are fully functional. No one is going to stop them. They pay their bills with the paycheck they receive.
A person is either nonfunctional or functional , there is no mental illness.
“lactic acid bacteria was at least 400 times more abundant in schizophrenic patients than control subjects”
They don’t say if the patients were drugged/medicated BEFORE the change in bacteria.
Dry mouth and effects of the drugs/medications may be causing the physical differences and then the bacteria etc is not a clue to the causes of “mental illness”.
“all he was doing was being naked, howling at the moon” If someone wants to be naked, and clearly non violent, and howl at the moon, what’s really the problem?
The location.
I bet people who scream and get naked want to do it around people to get a reaction from them, otherwise they should have gone away from civilization first.
Those with the gold make the rules. Money ( a collective fiction/insanity) is not going to disappear any time soon. Humans still have plenty of food and water. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plagues_of_Egypt got to come back to teach man some humility.
Ghost_Whisperer Five year running TV show
The series follows the life of Melinda Gordon (Jennifer Love Hewitt), who has the ability to see and communicate with ghosts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_Whisperer
Medium Seven year running TV show
The series stars Patricia Arquette as Allison DuBois, a medium employed as a consultant for the Phoenix, Arizona, district attorney’s office, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medium_(TV_series)
As there is no such thing as a psychotic molecule , bacteria or virus, anyone with common sense knows an Anti-psychotic is a fictional medicine.
Imagine a (illegal ) drug dealer that wanted to reduce their (drug addicted) clients use of drugs. Not gonna happen. What is the drug dealers incentive? Who is the drug dealer working for?
With today’s technology we could define someone with a physical brain defect found in a MRI as a patient due to the scientific evidence. The brain damage has to be evident BEFORE psychiatry intervened with its treatments.
As I am sure you know, psychiatry can predict a horrible future and then makes the horror come true.
I like the cartoon. Szasz said there is a time to laugh at the powerful,“When a person can no longer laugh at himself, it is time for others to laugh at him..” and John Lennon also advocated for nonviolence, as once they have you (visibly) angry , they know how to handle you.
Jailing someone and calling the jail a hospital will also make people crazy.
From the article “Amit’s belief that we were conspiring against him could be described as a delusion. It might also be described as an understandable response to what was happening to him.”
Guy in the article is selling a book. Getting paid to look after and write about the mentally ill. ehn.
Regarding the electricity overnight on children’s brains.
The electricity is DC or direct current so does not cause a seizure. At best , the treatment is an active placebo.
At worst, chemical reactions will occur in the blood and potentially poison the child. To separate hydrogen and oxygen H2O in water you can apply a DC voltage to water that has conductors. At the positive and negative contact points gas and chemical reactions will take place.
The odds of electricity reaching the brain is very unlikely, as proven by a cadaver study of DC electrical stimulation. Medical article https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29396478
For DC to work they have to use higher voltages/power, which then makes it too painful to use on conscious people.
Congratulations on your work to follow where the money goes .
I hope you are aware of the trap seriously mentally ill persons are in. If they are not taking psychiatric medications then they are not following medical advice and can be forcefully medicated, or if they are not taking medication it means they are well and will no longer receive Government money to have food and shelter.
I think it is hilarious that those who believe in the religion of psychiatry criticize the legitimacy of another religion.
“The only way out was to tell the psychiatrists that they were correct. I am insane but getting better.” Rosenhan experiment.
Psychiatrist predict a bad future then make the bad future happen by drugging their patient. Drug withdrawal is judged as the mental illness returning and the necessity for drug resumption.
They accuse the schizophrenic “Positive symptoms of schizophrenia may be related to distortions in time perception.” When it is they themselves who have a distorted perception of time. The future has not happened yet and there is nothing to fear, yet they fear the future and must medicate the present moment to prevent the “bad”.
The “medicines” one ingests do not have the ability to distinguish between “good” sane thought and “bad” insane thought and attack ONLY the “bad” thoughts. The person decides what is rational or not.
“You cannot tell me that I do not have a physical illness” double negatives? Converts to “you can tell me i do have a physical illness”
This is a bizarre statement when the illness is called mental illness, and a whole different set of rules are applied to mental illness.
In physical illness the patient can leave against medical advice AMA.
People do have the potential to make wrong or bad decisions ( or the right one) , if they do not have the choice they do not have their freedom.
Yes indeed the medication or drugs can inhibit cognition, keeping the patient in a trap of lack of insight into their problem(s). Indeed the doctor/psychiatrist can enjoy their position of power too much.
Bad Medicine, A Psychiatrist’s Control Over Patient’s Mind https://youtu.be/ha9vnLMrXeQ
Schizophrenia Research Available online 22 May 2019 Linking Childhood Adversities with schizophrenia: A mediating role of the balanced time perspective
The religion of magical pills is in power. This era started with the first antibiotic (penicillin) and the birth control pill.
“Formerly, when religion was strong and science weak, men mistook magic for medicine; now, when science is strong and religion weak, men mistake medicine for magic. “Thomas Szasz https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/thomas_szasz_106710
Anger at the system will not help me/you sleep at night.
“The establishment will irritate you… to make you fight. Because once they’ve got you violent, then they know how to handle you.” John Lennon.
You wrote “my poor parents decades ago that I could “relapse” at any given moment”.
This is an exploitation of fear ( of the future) in the parents, that psychiatry is happy to use. Your child is sick and must be helped. A parents love and need to keep the child safe. How does the child escape the parents and the psychiatrists fear of the future?
The psychiatrist can play the hero by drugging the patient so they can not perform any action, good or bad.
“People assume I, and others, can’t handle these emotions. This is projection indeed.” you wrote.
Yes they can call the anger “psychotic” instead of that the person is angry. With the person suitably diagnosed, antipsychotics can be medically administered.
“people can become afraid to leave their home” you wrote. I wonder about this.
Go back in time and how many homes had heating , running water to drink and a toilet to use? Before modern times you had to go out to chop wood for the fire or get coal for the furnace. You had to go outside to the well to get drinking water. You had to go outside to use the outhouse.
Change your “tribe” and how many humans were nomadic? living in tents.
“…the cause of major psychiatric disorders, and how, in fact, they were finding instead that the drugs, over time, induce the very chemical abnormalities hypothesized to cause the disorders in the first place. ”
Yes, I have a major psychiatric disorder diagnosis of schizophrenia. Schizophrenia is know for Affective flattening, Akathisia, Alogia , Apathy, Asociality, Avolition, …..
and Anhedonia: The inability to experience pleasure from activities usually found enjoyable.
The psychiatric medicines given to the mentally ill known as antipsychotics disable the dopamine and serotonin receptors in the brain.
The drugs are not medications.
This is what the psychiatric profession is hinged on. If there are no psychiatric medications ( there are not) , then they are not doctors.
So the drugs have to BE medications or they are out of a profession.
The diagnoses might be a description of behaviour like” too fast” or “too slow”, but the trouble with giving such a description-diagnosis to a child or anyone under the age of 18, is that the diagnosis is self fulfilling.
The doctor says I have a low attention span due to a disease? That’s a great excuse for not taking responsibility for my actions, for not trying to get better. I got a disease! My actions and inaction are a result of a disease. The doctor says so!
This is the TRUE danger of psychiatric diagnosis, the nocebo effect.
The current medication for Postpartum Depression killed a women.
“While they were waiting for the antidepressant Zoloft to “kick in” after their son was born, she took her own life.”
Elephant in the room and no one sees it, myself included. The article had me overlooking it until I read the first comment here by “Truth” who wrote ” I wonder if..?”
“By about 1960, widespread consumption had begun to make amphetamine’s negative health consequences more evident. Amphetamine psychosis had already been observed in the 1930s among long-term narcoleptic users of the drug, and individual case reports mounted during the 1940s and early 1950s.41 Initially, psychotic episodes were attributed to latent schizophrenia “unmasked” by the drug or to some other preexisting psychiatric pathology in the user.42 In Philip Connell’s definitive 1958 study of 40 cases, however, the British psychiatrist persuasively showed that amphetamine psychosis could happen to anyone, and eventually would, given enough of the drug” https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2377281/
If you are being given shit in your life (dung in the story), maybe it is Jesus trying to fertilize you so you produce something. (joke)
Psychiatry does the opposite of dung-fertilizer for a plant, it poisons people while calling it medicine, and those around the mental patient for some reason still believe the confidence trick, urge their loved one to take the medicine.
No, the facts, the information, the science comes from the top down. A PBS show on breast cancer said everyone was in favour for radical mastectomy to cure cancer. The doctor who proposed lumpectomy is just as good, was derided by his fellow brainwashed doctors. Only when the patients heard of a scientific trial, and got the science to prove the survival rates are the same for both radical mastectomy and lumpectomy did things change.
I saw a study of people given a placebo, explicitly told they are taking a placebo and the placebo effect still worked on a majority of the subjects. So you don’t even need the “active” placebo (some kind of noticeable physical effect) to get a response.
“why do you suppose mainstream religions have embraced psychiatry”
It is about where the drugs are coming from.
because the elite in the church still sin, still suffer from “depression” and need someone to turn to for excuses and the solution of legal drugs coming from read doctors, not drug dealers.
and also the children of the elite have problems , so they need psychiatry to drug(called medicine) the children.
UK researchers found moving to a green space had a sustained positive effect, unlike pay rises or promotions, which only provided a short-term boost.
The authors said the results indicated that access to good quality urban parks was beneficial to public health.
The findings appear in the journal Environmental Science and Technology.
Co-author Mathew White, from the European Centre for Environment and Human Health at the University of Exeter, UK, explained the study built on the findings of a study that showed people living in greener urban areas were displaying fewer signs of depression or anxiety.
A bartender can be charged for giving too much alcohol .
“Bartenders who serve intoxicated patrons may be at risk for legal and civil charges as a result of these actions. Many states have enacted legislation to allow for prosecution and civil suits of commercial establishments that serve alcohol to visibly intoxicated individuals or to minors.”
And the doctor was on a mind altering substance like alcohol.
Heads I win, tails you lose. Win- Win for psychiatry
With no science to measure good thoughts to bad thoughts from being chemically altered it still is a win-win position for psychiatry.
If the patient does well after given-forced medicines, psychiatry helped.
If the patient does poorly after given-forced medication, psychiatry says we told you he/she was ill. We are trying to help.
Depression used to be a sin, as in a choice people make. If you can not sin ( you do not have the DNA that they are looking for) you are not a human being. The sin is ingratitude to not appreciate and enjoy the gifts that God has given us, like the sight, sound, smell of things.
The fish, the client wants to stay on the hook of drug addiction. Right. Not. There are no brain chemical imbalances. The legal drugs are just drugs, not medicine.
The psychiatrist can switch up the drugs, for the patient. If the patient goes nuts from the change, it is a win for psychiatry (Patient back in psychiatry’s hospital-jail or worse). If the patient adjusts to the new drugs (with an illusion of choice or freewill) it is a win for psychiatry as they kept their “patient”.
Remember the hero needs to be a hero by issuing helpful medications to a sick patient.
You are sick aren’t you?
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The Simpsons cartoon made fun of the phenomenon of teenagers being depressed. Leaving childhood has its pros and cons. “Making teenagers depressed is like shooting fish in a barrel” 0:27 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cELOaM-wRUY
The say psychiatry went too far with naming bereavement a mental disorder, maybe teenage angst is also not a mental disorder?
The problem will solve itself when the children of today grow up and don’t/can’t/won’t have children or will not have a profession that earns income to pay for their children.
Makes you ask “Who watches the watchers?” Was the authority the one with the mental illness (obsession with medically assisted death) , not the “patient”?
I don’t know how religion is doing where you live, but the churches that were full in the 1940’s are now empty. People used to pray to God before the holy molecules of science started working , like molecules of penicillin.
Formerly, when religion was strong and science weak, men mistook magic for medicine; now, when science is strong and religion weak, men mistake medicine for magic. Thomas Szasz
Read more at: https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/thomas_szasz_106710
for Rachel777
first the general public does not want psychiatry banned
second organized religion uses psychiatry for the sin of sloth, known today as depression, so they don’t want it gone
third psychiatry is part of the law, the accused must be sane to go to court. too obvious,too much proof of a killing from anger and the person is automatically “insane”
How does it get banned?
To clarify, a drug only becomes a medicine when it is prescribed by a (mortal) doctor. You the doctor are preforming the magical transformation of drug to medicine. You must bear the responsibility, if you can not, find another profession.
What responsibility you ask? The actions of your patient that they take while under the influence of mind altering drugs, like a person who voluntarily drinks alcohol and drives home. Did he drink too much?
So the default is obvious , drug your patient so much that they can take NO action, and then call the lack of action a successful treatment.
As a critic of psychiatry I have to write the drugs are not medications. It is self fulfilling to write “Who decides?” when it has already been decided the drugs are medicines by the authority.
The doctors are issuing legal drugs not medicines, as there is no physical disease in the patient for the drug-chemical to affect.
The prescribing doctor does not go through physical withdrawal, or the ups and downs as the drugs are absorbed into the patients body. There is no WE in the legal drug dealing.
“He recently asked me if I thought he could ever stop — I said I didn’t know, but certainly we could work on it.”
“we’d keep on making these decisions together”
The drug dealer does not want to see pain in their client so will continue to prescribe drugs.
Another aspect is military deaths on psych drugs. In the U.S., one suicide (successfully) completed a day, with many on the psychiatric medicines. They estimate 22 or 20 suicide attempts a day. Do they blame the drug, the access to the drug, the drugs effects on cognition that predisposes someone to perform more foolish actions? Suicide is attributed to mental illness, not the drug. And those that who accidentally take an overdose, is it suicide or an overdose? What is written on the death certificate?
Someone could write a book on the problem of falsifying the death certificates, or at least document it, and put it in the medical literature so it can be cited as a “real” problem.
Doctors and scientists that believe the lie that the drugs are medicines usually write” natural causes” to the death of psych patients, or like in this article “died from a hereditary heart condition”. They falsify the science and still claim it is science . The Nazi’s did something similar. https://www.britannica.com/event/T4-Program
“The relatives then received condolence letters, falsified death certificates signed by physicians, and urns containing ashes.”
If they are faking the cause of death, any attempts to fix the problem will obviously not work. And they will not be caught until another fifty years of evidence builds up to prove they are lying.
Is the brain broken or not? Today we know the brain is NOT broken, so then what is psychiatry? Is it a medical treatment? No. Will I worship the holy molecule as instructed? No, not if I have my freedom.
Well to stop suicide, they could test tying people up and compare that to people who are not tied up and see which one has a higher suicide rate. You know I am joking, but you can extrapolate the drug that inhibits someone from moving (same as a physical rope) would lessen the chances of suicide. Doesn’t really make it anti-suicide medicine.
“I hire couple of thugs to break them for $5,000”. You are going to end up in jail unless/until you learn to forgive. Most everyone is just trying to make it through the day.
what is the difference between the “inpatient psychiatric unit” and a prison?
in “hospital” I had to say I was a smoker when I am not, to get any amount of daylight/outdoor time. In hospital I asked ” When am I getting out?” the response was “Soon, soon” unlike a fixed date for a crime. What was I guilty of? Where was my lawyer?
You start off your story with the story of a psychotic woman,
[The new patient was a severely psychotic woman who looked into the air like it was teeming with ghosts. She called us witches and warlocks and vampires.]
but you don’t speak of her history. Was she born psychotic? or was she made that way perhaps?
More drugs. More Drugs. More drugs. Rather than rational thought, rather than “This is a sever drug withdrawal”. Magical drugs that can only do good. It all starts from a lie that the drugs are fixing something.
“It is better one hundred innocent Persons should be found guilty and suffer (psychiatric drugs and psychiatric prison), than that one guilty Person should escape.” says Psychiatry.
This is the reverse of ” it is better one hundred guilty Persons should escape than that one innocent Person should suffer”said by Benjamin Franklin
The only person who can leave the endless battle/equation is you, as the psychiatrist is paid, and also compelled to continue to define you.
In order to leave you must find forgiveness for yourself and for others. You must not identify too closely with the master or the slave.
If you like the fight, you keep doing what you are doing.
” NO OTHER justice worthy conclusion than to *abolish* psychiatry. ” wrote Richard D. Lewis .
You know this can’t happen. Szasz explained psychiatry is too enmeshed into society to be able to remove it, even if some power was able to. at 2 :37 in the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tY78qJNLoQ0
If you don’t want help , then it means you are sick.
“We are helping people!”
Maybe , maybe not. How many are being harmed by psychiatry? Many obedient patients develop Diabetes and other disease from psychiatric drug treatment.
Being in a prison without a crime, makes madness. Take for example a tortured animal. It behaves badly from the abuse it has received. Do you help it by confining it, and beating it more?
Call it medicine. Right. You try the medicine out for its medicinal properties.
PART B) Then you have all the people who need/want to help the poor unfortunate with medicine. They can NOT be issuing drugs, they must be giving out medicine. They are HERO’s! for helping the unfortunate with medicine, not hurting people with drugs.
https://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2012/12/funeral.html
“They do not know how to stand in the presence of grief because they can’t help but make it immediately a judgment of themselves– how can you see a woman crying and not do anything? Purposeless hyperactivity to cover up one’s impotence and lack of empathy.”
Converted to
“They (psychiatrists) do not know how to stand in the presence of crazy because they can’t help but make it immediately a judgment of themselves– how can you (as a doctor) see a crazy person and not do anything?”
“a need for a public education campaign to correct the record”
Who is going to pay for that? And the people who are happy to eat their God , need to, or want to believe in a magical pill (their God).
Regarding the children. Yes the children believe they are defective and need medicine for not being a perfect robot , instead of the past times when humans were imperfect sinners, who inevitably sinned or made mistakes.
If the children take on the responsibility for their actions , then they might feel guilty for their “bad” behavior( then need MORE drugs for feeling bad). It is better and easier to blame your problems on unbalanced brain chemicals. Those who do believe in magical chemicals have NO reason to change their belief system.
I hope they count this in the Shorter life span for the mentally ill. Do they say if the two KILLED were locked up in handcuffs or posey belt? Did they have a chance to escape like their guards?
While saving the patient they killed him/her. is common in psychiatry.
A person has to pay the bills (for an excuse/reason to work in the prison. And the prison is not disappearing any time soon).
You do know the only difference between the mad and the eccentric is just a matter of the amount of money that they have?
No money and you are on the street and presumed mentally ill….
The first image “The Ship of Fools” with global warming, plastic waste in the water/ocean, nuclear (cancer causing radiation) power and such things , we are still on THE ship of Fools. But maybe nearer the end.
The image of people chained and being UN-chained Philippe_Pinel_à_la_Salpêtrière_.jpg is the same as today.
People want the irresponsible in chains otherwise-known-as “medication” or psychiatric drugs. An invisible chain. And there are doctors today who want to reduce the chains, reduce the number of drugs/medicines patients are on so they can recover and become a “healthy” individual.
I think this is how they came up with the drugs for life ( for mental illness) , back in the days of witchcraft-religion> everyone went to a church of some kind in the 1950’s. How does the drug-medicine work? I don’t know, but keep giving it to them as they are improving.
Worship of the holy molecule, you must worship! and one day you will be cured! ( sarcastic joke)
With brain damage “I emerge from my three-week-long ECT treatment to discover that I am not only this Princess Leia creature but also several-sized dolls, various T-shirts and posters, some cleansing items, and a bunch of other merchandise. It turns out I was even a kind of pin-up—a fantasy that geeky teenage boys across the globe jerked off to me with some frequency. How’s that for a newborn-how-do-you-do damsel in very little cinematic distress?”
To wit, one afternoon in Berkeley I found myself walking into a shop that sold rocks and gems.
“Oh my God, aren’t you…the salesman behind the counter exclaimed.
And before he could go any further, I modestly said,
“Yes, I am.”
“Oh my God! I thought about you every day from when I was twelve to when I was twenty-two.”
And instead of asking what happened at twenty-two, I said, “Every day?”
A pro ECT article and other articles on electroshock mention the toes curling.
“When we have taken their shoes and socks off, we would look at their feet and normally what you would see is their toes might twitch or curl up rhythmically,” from https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/apr/17/what-is-ect-and-how-does-it-work
and in the movies how do they show people had sex?”Give Her A Toe-Curling Climax In 15 Minutes”
I think the schizophrenic artwork should be banned as well. ” Look at that crazy art that crazy person made!” Further convincing “normal” people how crazy , the person named crazy is. We do not know the circumstances the artist was under when they use all purple for skin color. M.I.A. uses this art as well. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophrenia
Thanks for your work , Dr Moncrieff, and Dr Steingard. Coming from a now 50 year old , who was diagnosed/given the label of schizophrenia at age 19 and does not take “meds” or drugs. Intelligence and “good” behavior come from a fully functioning mind, not a drugged one.
“I don’t believe that genes have nothing to do with it” is a double negative statement .
Alcoholics like to say alcoholism is a disease , so that they do not feel guilt, so they do not feel the responsibility for their bad choices. This belief in disease is good for the feeling of guilt a person can have can make people go back to drinking in order to try to feel better.
In the religion of Christianity, Jesus died on the cross to provide the way for people to receive forgiveness from their sins.
In the religion of psychiatry. people like to blame DNA and unbalanced brain chemicals for their sins, to remove feelings of guilt and responsibility for bad behaviour, and it works! How do you find forgiveness? You find a scapegoat. Those bad molecules and genes are responsible, not me/not my loving father/not my loving mother!
I find it far more easy to forgive someone if I think they are mentally ill. I am no longer angry at their bad choices and bad behavior because they are not responsible, they did not do it on purpose. Finding forgiveness….
T. Szasz wrote psychiatry is the medicalization of morals. Where “bad” behaviours were previously called “sins”, behaviours made by choice , made by freewill , are now considered a disease.
Most obvious is the childhood disease of short attention span/playing games renamed “ADHD”, where in the past, fear of corporal punishment kept most in line, but today, corporal punishment no longer socially acceptable, authority switched to using drugs , drugging children obedient.
The child now believes they are a disease( for not being a orderly robot), have disease inside them because authority tells them so. This is far worse than a physical punishment( like from a spanking), as they feel/think their diseased soul needs medication. Authority is lying to them and they have no other option but to believe the lie, from the evidence of their own hands/minds playing when they are not supposed to.
Vice and Virtue
1 Lust Chastity
2 Gluttony Temperance
3 Greed Charity
4 Sloth Diligence
5 Wrath Patience
6 Envy Kindness
7 Pride Humility
“In our fervor to medicalize morals, we have transformed every sin but one into sickness.
Anger(5), gluttony(2), lust(1), pride(7), sloth(4) are all the symptoms of mental diseases.
Only lacking compassion (kindness) is still a sin.”
All humans might choose to sin, or be forced to, so all must have the same “defective” DNA.
Who/what would humans be without our “defective” DNA? We would be robots.
Great article! Great to ask who is paying for the electroshock.
“It is disturbing to learn that public funds in Oregon are paying for ECT for Medicaid-eligible people.”
great story “the staff came to Dean and told him that the drug had worked a miracle”+ “I’ve been cheeking them the whole time.”
Regarding “push these kinds of inquiries”
A quote from the movie the Matrix
“You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system that they will fight to protect it.”
People can seek the religion and/or the help they want. When the religion (magical pills) is forced on you by your government , that is when things go wrong.
“Why did the authors not control for medication?” because everyone is supposed to be on the drugs/medication, they can not find a sample group to study.
If the sound-voice is real it can be recorded or amplified. If the sound-voice is real there is a direction to it like a left or a right direction. If the sound is real you CAN get away from it, its only a matter of time and distance. The voice can help and/or trick, you never know which it is going to be. You can wear ear plugs in both ears or just one ear. You can play music (louder than the voice) , you can go to outdoor places that are quiet and only have sounds of nature (too quiet for the voice to manifest).
Take photos take notes as in the passage of time we can and do forget the past.
I don’t know if this is applicable, as it is asking the public questions, their opinion/opinion pole . But asking the question to get the answer you want still might work. Comedy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wySaC_z12GY
They did this on Star Trek Voyager. A criminal in transport was on the ship. The doctor looked at him and found defects in his brain. The doctor fixed the brain defects and then the prisoner suddenly could reflect on the wrongness of his crime and offered an apology. Those that were harmed by the criminal actions did not accept the apology.
This story of the future is the reverse of modern psychiatry, which drugs and changes a healthy brain into a damaged one.
if Budda or Jesus were back, would they not have magical powers?
Psychiatry IS a religion. Worship and consume the magical medication that will make you magically “good” instead of “bad” . What kind of sinner are you? schizophrenic and/or bipolar ? There is a medicine for every type of sinner
If things are going badly they increase the drugs instead of reducing them. Maybe the drugs are making the patient worse? so reduce them? You want people to be smarter to see the error of their ways? Then you drug and inhibit their ability to think?
“I expect her to laugh, but instead the psychiatrist looks very serious.” never expect a shrink to laugh, they are trying to be heroes. saving people from themselves. drugging the present moment for fear of the future. the future never arrives, prophesy fulfilled.
Who ever is paying with yellow metal/gold/money gets to make the rules.
Sins existed before psychiatry and have been renamed . Sins like sloth gluttony and so on , do exist and must be recognized for some kind of balance to occur.
Hearing voices. Voice of Pride, “I am all powerful!”(grandiosity) or taking pride in a job well done.
Too proud: In Dante’s Divine Comedy, the penitents were forced to walk with stone slabs bearing down on their backs to induce feelings of humility.
Voice of despair.”I have no power” and sadness versus accepting the things you can not change and feeling serenity.
The researchers are insane and refuse to admit they are insane. Who is to tell them differently? Who has the power?
The next step in the case where someone is wrong , is a higher authority is supposed to judge what is going on, such as the police. But in this world there is no police , there is no higher authority.
Specifically “telling off the researcher” just makes more (false) scientific evidence . When people don’t participate (as can be expected) they remove them from the evidence base.
Though they could be fudging the numbers, like they do in other “science” when they cherry pick numbers, or influence the outcome by removing unwanted material.
Similar person, similar circumstance in Canada killed themselves in prison in order to escape the torture. She was guilty of throwing crab apples as far as I know , what her crime was. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashley_Smith_inquest
The religion that isn’t a religion, psychiatry.
“The country is paying bundles on treating people who are not sick”
You are mistaken
The country is paying bundles on treating people who are made sick by drugs called medicines.
regarding “why he made such an abrupt change”.
I would say to keep his (and his relatives of similar) DNA to continuing living in spite of the plans for the master race. His sister is supposedly seriously mentally ill.
Frank How do you differentiate between malingering and “illness”?
You apparently do not consider the treatment that I and others have had from psychiatry have damaged us. I was involuntary, others are voluntary to psychiatry, believing that the doctors heal people. Are both groups worthy of mercy and compassion?
To start the list of damages, in the scientific literature they do note the psychiatric drugs/chemicals/medicines have altered the brain. “You can’t fix stupid” is a well known saying, and I do not think the changes are beneficial.
Other people who have been unjustly imprisoned can get financial compensation for damages.
Tell me Frank do these people who spend years in prison, do they deserve compensation? or should they get back to work washing dishes in the local restaurant?
Frank you are arguing for taxpayers pocket are you not? the same taxpayers that finance and support the psychiatrists? Tell me Frank, who is going to stop the false science of psychiatry? ( as its pocket-book/finances are infinite).
I have a diagnosis of serious mental illness and I do not take psychiatric medications. I do not know if the treatments I have received have made me worse or better, of if the chemicals/drugs/medicines have a permanent (negative) effect on my brain-body.
If magically I was declared healthy I would then have no income and shortly be homeless, so it is in my interest to keep the psychiatric diagnosis of SMI, until a universal basic income becomes standard.
No more sins from the sinners?
Szasz
“Fifty years ago, the question “What is mental illness?” was of interest to physicians,
philosophers, sociologists as well as the general public. This is no longer the case. The
question has been settled by the holders of politic
al power: they have decreed that “mental illness is a disease like any other.” https://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/pdf/Szasz%20update.pdf
I do appreciate the question of “effectiveness of these drugs”, questioning the science.
____________ Why is that guy yelling at strangers on the street?
“The Contest” was the 51st episode of the NBC sitcom, Seinfeld. The eleventh episode of the fourth season, it aired on November 18, 1992.[1] In the episode, George Costanza tells Jerry Seinfeld, Elaine Benes and Cosmo Kramer that his mother caught him unaware while he was masturbating. The conversation results in George, Jerry, Elaine and Kramer entering into a contest to determine who can go for the longest period of time without masturbating.
….
The contest affects their sleep, and the remaining contestants suffer insomnia, while only the people who were eliminated can sleep peacefully.
(Jerry and George. They’re bickering at each other due to the lack of sex)
GEORGE: All you got is instant coffee? Why don’t you get some real coffee?
JERRY: I don’t keep real coffee in here, I get my coffee on the outside! (Intercom buzzes. He answers it) Yeah?!
ELAINE: (Through intercom) It’s Elaine.
JERRY: (Shouting) Come on up! (Opens his door for Elaine)
GEORGE: Where did you get those socks?
JERRY: I don’t know.
GEORGE: I think those are my socks!
JERRY: How are these your socks?!
GEORGE: I don’t know, but those are my socks! I had a pair just like that with the blue stripe, and now I don’t have them anymore!
JERRY: (Sarcastic) Oh, yeah, that’s right, well, you fell asleep one day on the sofa and I took them off your stinkin’ feet. They looked so good to me, I just had to
have them!
GEORGE: Yeah, well, they’re my socks!
JERRY: They’re my socks!
(A brief moment passes as they look at each other)
GEORGE: Oh boy..
JERRY: What are we doing here..
GEORGE: ..Oh boy.
JERRY: This is ridiculous.
GEORGE: Do you believe this? We’re fighting. We’re fighting.
JERRY: I haven’t been myself lately. I’ve been snapping at everybody.
The religion of pill worshipers have a lot of consumers of the object of worship, what a surprise. not.
___________
(Neurologist) “I’m on Zoloft (sertraline). I’ve taken it for 20 years. Don’t like that? Think that means I suck as a doctor? I don’t give a shit.”
I would like to comment back in the days before science most mental illnesses were in fact physical illnesses such as syphilis.
Back in the days before science, they had no blood tests and no penicillin.
That era and today can not ever be compared from because there was no SCIENCE at that time.
People who went to hospital/asylums at the time and who recovered were known as addicts. Once free to resume their addiction many went back to their addiction.
This is not medicine but morals. Locking people up forced them to be moral or abstain from their addiction.
The author is also confused as to what a hospital is and what a prison is. If you can not leave the room you are in, that is a prison, not a hospital. Those in authority do call it a hospital as there is no one to oppose the statement.
“Why were these hospitals successful?” Who reports the success versus failure? The lobotomy was judged a success by those that gave the operation. and the new technique to control the “ill”, given a Nobel prize.
Locking people up does control them and does stop them from abusing drugs and alcohol and such things. You can call it medicine? Who is paying for the medicinal treatment of steel and concrete walls?
“vitamin D supplementation would seem to be no bad thing”
Emptying a bucket, while filling the bucket , is indeed a bad thing if someone is making a living from doing both actions, claiming to be a doctor and helping by adding and subtracting chemicals.
No one can “feel suicidal”, as the title says, because suicide is a complex action. People can feel hungry and tired and hot and cold.
People can THINK of suicide as a solution to the despare or whatever discomfort/pain they are feeling.
The first step to beating “feeling suicidal” is to know it is not a feeling. There are actions you can take to change your feelings. If you feel too hot , you move to where it is cold. You feel too cold, you move to where it is warmer.
If you feel powerless you do something that makes you feel you have an effect on the/your environment. Thou Sisyphus’s rock always rolled down again.
You do know how a human gets vitamin D don’t you? From the sun. If you are locked up in hospital/jail your levels will be lower , + the authority tells patient NOT to get into the sun for increased chance of sunburning when on psychiatric drugs.
It is an advertisement TAC
They are fighting over who gets to jail the prisoner. or Who gets the money to jail-control the prisoner.
From the article
” In 1955, state mental institutions had about 558,000 beds. There were 337 mental hospital beds per 100,000 people in the United States, according to a 2016 study by the Treatment Advocacy Center.
Far too few smaller community facilities opened to make up the difference. Today, there are roughly 12 beds per 100,000 people.”
When I was first introduced into psychiatry in 1987 I also was deprived of water. Besides being tied to a bed. Besides being poisoned called medicine (by jailor-hospital worker) that made me incredibly thirsty.
Any expression of anger from the “help”was viewed as “sickness” and psychosis because they were giving medicine and help to the unfortunate “patient”.
So you get more poison-medicine from your prison guard- hospital worker.
“If a person reduces carefully ” carefully is subjective. I stopped the drugs suddenly with the knowledge it would be horrible.. The longer on the drugs the more brain shrinkage is occurring.
To ask the SMI to exercise while they are drugging them is like asking your prisoner that you put balls and chains (weights) to exercise. Those in control are just as insane as those that they say are insane.
You take the drugs? No?
Exercise (voluntary) helps anyone and everyone. “Better to wear out than rust out.”Jack LaLanne
To find no evidence of benefit for those that do exercise is bizarre.
“Psychotic” can be a rational fear, if living in a bad neighborhood. When you can not afford to lose a dollar ( for food and rent), yes it makes you jumpy and paranoid.
Eric Coates just wrote
“There are even some people who consider the whole practice of modern biological psychiatry to be a form of political oppression. When your problems are blamed on your brain (PSYCHOTIC), for instance, rather than taking into account an abusive childhood or, say, living in poverty and a dangerous neighborhood, all of which might be caused (as there is more abuse in impoverished environments) by the lack of work opportunities or a decent wage that are not being supplied by the capitalist corporations that control nearly our whole economy — well, when you defocus from someone’s environment and experiences like that, and just blame their brain for their problems (which is what you are essentially doing when you persuade or force them to take chemicals rather than address the actual circumstances of their lives), you are, actually, engaging in a form of social and political oppression. By distracting from the real problems, which we could address if we wanted to — things like abuse, poverty, etc. — you are actually reinforcing the status quo. You are supporting a kind of system of abuse and a kind of system of social oppression, in other words.”
The brain can heal, but the person needs religion to be able to forgive what was done to them and the drugging of millions of others. If a person doesn’t/can’t forgive, the person would likely feel or be angry much of the time.
The second part to this article is “THE PEOPLE THAT WORK FOR PSYCHIATRY, DO THEY THINK IT IS MEDICINE? OR ARE THEY JUST FOLLOWING ORDERS?”
Hitler only had power because he had people behind him. Bad Psychiatrists have the support staff behind them.
After the second world war many of the people working for Nazi’s said the excuse “I was just following orders”. “They would shoot me next had I not complied”
But no one questions those workers that follow and enforce bad psychiatry.
Most notable psychiatry TORTURE since the second world war as Project MKUltra.
” include medication use as a potential confounding factor”
They have the rule that all schizophrenics must be drugged/medicated so they can not find any to study.
Before chained up there has to be a trial, same with “hospitals”. Who is the accuser of madness? Maybe the king and queen are the mad ones? Preventive justice of imprisonment creates the problem that was prophesied.
if it is a magnetic ECT, it looks harmless. no one has complained of memory loss , died from the heart going into Asystole no one went into a continuous seizure.
Then we also have voluntary seekers of medical attention (1) and the IN-voluntary (2), the difference of the two types of “patients” is never spoken of because psychiatry is supposed to be a science.
Making a different language (insults the common man can not understand) to make it seem like science. http://www.blameitonthevoices.com/2009/10/fatness-of-ye-arse.html
Man: “M’lord, you have a fatness of ye arse.” [ The man is in a guillotine ] Header: Modern doctors: Doctor: “Mr. Prime Minister, you have acute steatopygia.”
Again , it is who is in power who gets to define illness. If your loved one is using crack cocaine to excess, or alcohol to excess, and now computer/video games to excess you can hire a doctor to say they are ill. Does the person think they are ill? is part of the equation. What physical evidence of illness do you have? Does the person have an income? Does the person have their teeth? Too fat or too thin? too much sugar and salt in their diet…. whoops I went too far…
Mark L. Ruffalo, LCSW July 1, 2018 at 5:02 am “people would still be dying of heart failure.”
No one dies from schizophrenia, if they did there would be pathology reports saying so.
“For if you suffer your people to be ill-educated, and their manners to be corrupted from their infancy, and then punish them for those crimes to which their first education disposed them, what else is to be concluded from this, but that you first make thieves and then punish them.” Thomas More
Everyone believes psychiatry’s lies of schizophrenia (Thomas More’s make thieves) and then psychiatry punishes ( you call help) the schizophrenic with drugs-chemicals, with societies blessing.
Mark L. Ruffalo, LCSW June 30, 2018 at 10:43 am WROTE even the purest Szaszians would admit that there has been an abundance of research in the past few decades linking what is called “mental illness” with certain biological changes.
Researchers making lots of money. “A federal report calls for $4.5 billion in funding for brain research over the next 12 years”
Szasz thought people were moral beings with the ability to chose. Psychiatry transforms morals (sins) into medical problems.
Again , if the illness is physical in nature ( can be measured unbiased) , then it is no long mental, as in mental illness.
Szasz” The result of such discoveries is that the illness ceases to be a form of psychopathology and is classified and treated as a form of neuropathology. If all the conditions now called mental illnesses proved to be brain diseases, there would be no need for the notion of mental illness and the term would become devoid of meaning.”
I would tell them you have to keep your thoughts secret unless you want to be jailed.
I remember when in hospital-jail, a co-patient woman was so upset she lost her privileges when she said (out-loud) that she was thinking suicidal. ” I am just expressing my feelings, what do you want me to do? Isn’t it healthy to talk about my feelings?”
It is a drug war. Use the correct drugs. We tell you what the correct drugs are. from the article ” people with mental conditions often self-medicate with drugs and alcohol, “
When I was in school we were taught “Morals and Religion” educated mildly about all the different religions in the world. I hope they treat psychiatry as just another religion rather than a science.
People make choices rather than brain chemical imbalances make their choices for them.
You wrote “…harms of medications? Yes. Should the decision be left up to the patient in distress? No.”
Wrong.
You can not prove what ever chemicals, are medications, they are just drugs. You would have to prove a physical aberration to justify applying a physical solution.
A piece of rope controls someone the same a chemical that stops someone from movement/action or thinking of action and movement.
Otherwise authority can lock people up and wait to see if they start to get better, or communicate better. Whats the problem in the first place?
I was literally tortured by psychiatry at the age of 19 on my first breakdown,( now 50). I was given drugs/forced drugs that made me unspeakably thirsty and tied into a bed/gurney. No lawyer. No court. No one to appeal to , to get freedom.
A twisting of justice.
“It is better ten innocent Persons should be found sick-guilty and “helped” (tortured by psychiatric drugs and psychiatric prison), than that one sick-guilty Person should escape.” says Psychiatry.
the original
Sir William Blackstone, who lived from 1723 to 1780, “It is better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer.”
Second Rosenhan Experiment
“Rosenhan used a well-known research and teaching hospital, whose staff had heard of the results of the initial study but claimed that similar errors could not be made at their institution. Rosenhan arranged with them that during a three-month period, one or more pseudopatients would attempt to gain admission and the staff would rate every incoming patient as to the likelihood they were an impostor. Out of 193 patients, 41 were considered to be impostors and a further 42 were considered suspect. In reality, Rosenhan had sent no pseudopatients.
It doesn’t matter what color your skin is. Too many officers are too angry.
I think the police have to be screened for their psychological likelihood to be too angry.
Everyone hears voices but lie and say they do not.
Voice of hunger. Voice of thirst. Voice of needing to use the toilet. Voice of too cold/ too hot.
Voice of gluttony. Voice of lust. Voice of anger. Voice of greed.
You have the voice of compassion don’t you? Don’t you care for the children? The children need medicine for their mental illness don’t they? Making money selling drugs to the gullible.
Greg wrote the “(medication)” . The drugs are not medication . There is no physical illness. The drugs are to subdue the person like a straitjacket would control them.
Just before nine one one or nine eleven George Carlin asked for some excitement. He starts talking of it at 4 minutes 20 seconds in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKboodmEHTQ his dream of collapse is not happening.
Visible horrors of Willowbrook took 20 years to end . The invisible horror of psychiatric drugs will not stop until the planet kick humans ass. More Floods, Fires, Famines and Pestilence.
The elderly in Nursing Homes have no voting power , no financial power etc etc.
“Revisiting the atrocities that once consumed the halls of Willowbrook State School in Staten Island – WARNING GRAPHIC CONTENT”
Sen. Robert Kennedy toured the grounds in 1965. Afterward, he described the horror he’d witnessed.Kennedy referred to Willowbrook as a “snake pit”
“if that violence was drug free.” People can be drug free, but they just quit psychiatric drugs, so are in withdrawal. No one blames the withdrawal from the psychiatric drugs a causative factor in crimes done when psychotic. A famous case in Canada is a man named Vince Li who had had previous experience with psychiatry and their drugs. He could not distinguish reality from imagination and killed – decapitated a person with a knife . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Tim_McLean
The holy psychiatric drug can not do anything bad to a human beings brain and thoughts, when going on , or going off of them. Psychiatry is the worship of magical chemicals and all must worship their God.
How about the criminals that prescribe/force the legal drugs “that contribute to a psychotic episode”? Shouldn’t they go to jail? They made the decision to make the “patient” take drugs.
To measure damage you need a before electroshock testing, to gauge the after effects, and who does this pre testing? ( to show evidence of harm, it is against the interest of those making money from electroshock) The court is rigged in favour of the defendants.
Regarding “Delusions”, I know who the delusional people are. The delusional are those that call a prison a hospital. The delusional think they are helping the “ill” who are being continually drugged (medicated).
No government or society should put people in prison BEFORE a crime has occurred.
That psychiatry has gotten away with, and continues to get away with calling drugs “medicine” is criminal.
You want a direct answer?
3 breakdowns, why did you have breakdowns? too much stress in the rat race? you MUST make money.
depression yes many people have depression and need to find a treatment.
see psychiatrist , should/shouldn’t do? I don’t see that anywhere
take drug, whatever is working for you , you do it
psychologist help , who said it was wrong?
Valium use on a continual basis is bad for the physical brain , like any drug used on a continual basis.
Cocaine alcohol Valium are drugs, you can take them if you wish.
cause of depression, are you kidding me? depression has been around since the dawn of time.
comment at the article THAT IS A LIE
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Kim Murphy Upper Arlington, Ohio
Why would someone with depression stop taking antidepressants? Are they cured? Of course not.
Medications such as Zoloft, in short, regulate seratonin. A shortage of seratonin causes depression. If you’ve not magically started regulating your seratonin production and reuptake on your own, your mood is going to be precisely what it was when you were prescribed the medication, if it was appropriately prescribed to start.
We don’t expect diabetics to wean themselves from insulin. This is no different. Self-tweaking meds is irresponsible and harmful.
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They say the drug is a medicine. I could say cocaine is a medicine and I need a bit every day for my brain chemical imbalance.
They are justifying their drug use by believing and claiming it is science.
RE “why psychiatrist can’t oversee the consequences of their actions”
The psychiatrist believes themselves a HERO, saving the patient from the future. The psychiatrist also gets paid money.
RE”don’t want the pill because they are poison” The patient has to be smart enough to lie, which the drugs may prevent the ability to do so.
Rosenhan said the only thing he could say was ” i am sick and getting better”, as it was what his captors/jailers wanted to hear.
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The SECOND non-existent impostor experiment
For this experiment, Rosenhan used a well-known research and teaching hospital, whose staff had heard of the results of the initial study but claimed that similar errors could not be made at their institution.
Rosenhan arranged with them that during a three month period, one or more pseudopatients would attempt to gain admission and the staff would rate every incoming patient as to the likelihood they were an impostor.
Out of 193 patients, 41 were considered to be impostors and a further 42 were considered suspect. In reality, Rosenhan had sent no pseudopatients and all patients suspected as impostors by the hospital staff were ordinary patients.
Another factor, choice with the success VS failure statistics .
In politics you have an electoral map for each government representative. Depending on how you cut the map up, you can get vastly different results.
Gerrymandering https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerrymandering
In this study of first-episode psychiatry patients, the start of the population was “out of a pool of 1,606 first-episode patients” , then they kept cutting the successful outcomes down to support their point of view. Then called the manipulation science.
“28 patients who couldn’t be found or refused to be interviewed” Dead patients and if the “patient” does not participate, the researcher takes them out of the science, for not being in the army(following orders) or worshiping those that issue the treatments. This is obviously bias. Another example is http://www.progressnp.com/article/patients-experiences-attitudes-towards-ect/
“Sixty patients, who had completed at least one course of ECT during the study period, were identified, of which eight people were deceased (not related to ECT: either due to old age or physical ailments), 11 refused to take part, six could not be traced and five could not take part due to significant cognitive impairment. At the end, our final study sample constituted 30 patients.”
In genuine medicine, if the patient has cancer , the doctor has the real statistics on survivor rates. The doctor gives the patient the choice of going for a treatment for say a 50/50 odds of success.
But in psychiatry the “patient” is usually not given the choice in what ever the supposed ” science” they have to back up the efficacy of the drugs.
“How safe is your medical device? Even regulators don’t really know”
Dennis Fegan had a Vagus Nerve Stimulator (VNS) implanted in 2000.
“…. by 2006, he was repeatedly collapsing and losing consciousness. In July of that year he ended up in an ER after his parents found him passed out in his home.
According to Lenzer, doctors discovered that the VNS wasn’t stopping Fegan’s seizures: it was stopping his heart.
Doctors deactivated his VNS, but Fegan was never able to sue the manufacturer, Cyberonics, because a U.S Supreme Court ruling prevents patients from taking device-makers to court over FDA-approved devices.”
“They hurt you at home and they hit you at school
They hate you if you’re clever and they despise a fool
Till you’re so fucking crazy you can’t follow their rules
A working class hero is something to be”― John Lennon
As bad behaviours used to be choices and by that reasoning sins. If the public did not like a specific sinner they stoned them( threw rocks) at the person . Then about 2000 years ago Jesus taught forgiveness.
Today , as bad behaviours may be resulting from the psychiatric drugs affecting the mind (paradox of drugging the present moment to prevent a possible bad future), the confidence trick is perfect. You learn from your mistakes, you do not take a magical pill to correct them. It is inherit in mankind to make mistakes.
RE” oil slick down the hill I’d been successfully climbing.”
How much is too much or too little? What impartial evidence do you have of disease? Like photographic proof?
You can’t put too much gas on a fire.
Yo can’t put too much cheese in a sandwich.
You can’t put too much water in a nuclear reactor. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JrIYR8jArk
You can’t give too much medication/drugs to a patient.
RE: Rename it “therapy”
Yes that is happening here. Where the precrime of psychiatric drugging and jail-hospital and freedom of thought collide.
Is it religion or is it mental illness?
You can’t see the paradox in your writing can you? If you are not sick you can not seek help(so you must be sick), you can not get attention you want ( who is paying?) Nightmares come from the unconscious mind , not a medical-physical illness, nightmare come froma fear or a guilty conscious that needs to be confronted, not drugged away.
RE”How to make psychiatry illegal”
The only way a psychiatrist can torture someone is if the psychiatrist has them in a prison, otherwise the person who does not like the “treatment” would run away.
Regarding ““Less Psychiatry Means Less Shootings.”
In the article ” He was regularly taking medication for A.D.H.D. ”
What would they do for his ADHD without medication? Would he be responsible for his inattention? Could a doctor say ” No that’s not a medical issue, sorry” No the doctors would not, the doctors HAVE to treat their patients complaint.
Vince Li was probably made crazy by psychiatry before the crime. “The psychiatrist Stanley Yaren, who later examined Li, said Li was hospitalized in 2003 or 2004” crime date July 30, 2008.
RE:abolishing psychiatry: you cant abolish a religion. People willingly follow the religion of psychiatry for fear of themselves, their possible future actions. Removing psychiatry from the law is possible. No more insanity defenses.
Bible , because psychiatry IS a religion. You must believe the drugs are medicine , and that you need medicine. There are no psychotic molecules, virus or bacteria for an antipsychotic to affect.
The numbers of mentally ill conflict with the idea the psych drugs are working.”from 1987 to 2007, the number of adults on federal disability due to mental illness rose from 1.25 million to 4 million, begging this question: Could our drug-based paradigm of care be fueling this epidemic?” https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/mad-in-america/201102/disability-in-the-age-prozac
Those working for psychiatry will also have an inability to see the problem due to Cognitive dissonance. They say things like brain damage from psychiatric treatment is a GOOD thing for the patient.
“Needless annual heart tests” the amount of finding disease VS no disease has to be weighed. If it is you as the 1 in 1000 that is helped you do not think the test was needless.
They got you either way. You don’t hear voices=you are an unfeeling sociopath /psychopath who is overconfident ( no imagination for empathy of others feelings), you do hear voices = you have some kind of mental illness that makes you dangerous, what if he/she listens to the voices?
With the success of deep brain implants for depression they want to try other illnesses.
“From December 2014, seven patients (57 percent women) underwent surgery (in four cases the target was the nucleus accumbens and in three the subgenual area). The most remarkable changes included a progressive improvement in all patients of the social isolation type symptoms and auditory hallucinations. Two patients were dropped off the randomization phase because they presented a noticeable worsening of the symptoms when the generator was switched off. One patient presented complications related to the surgery. The study is currently under analysis and collection of patient outcomes and will be finished in 2017 after one more case is recruited. “
Was there a trial to weight the evidence of a crime? Then you get a punishment. In psychiatry jail/treatment if you get a trial the court takes the psychiatrist opinion as fact. The mentally ill don’t get a lawyer because they say it isn’t a prison, it is medicinal treatment. The prisoners/patients are receiving medicinal treatment.
Julia wrote “become a waste of time to read or comment on articles here” It is as if flies , butterflies, and grasshoppers are caught in a spiders web and are complaining about the web. To break free of the web is most wanted. Some want to transform into a spider like the one that caught them. Some assist the spiders in catching and keeping the various life forms in subservience to the spider.
You know what all the other living creatures are doing on the planet are doing? They are having offspring. Ducks are making baby ducks, geese making baby geese, beaver making baby beaver etc. Who is having offspring?
Psychiatry is a slow motion “euthanasia” instead of a fast and quick death.
Regarding “it is ridiculous to say that the Nazis would not have exterminated Jews without psychiatry.”
You will have to tell several authors who think differently.
Alessandra Colaianni,” A long shadow: Nazi doctors, moral vulnerability and contemporary medical culture” http://jme.bmj.com/content/38/7/435.full
Rael D. Strous, M.D. “Psychiatric euthanasia institutions served as training centers for the Schutzstaffel (SS) who used the experience to construct larger killing centers (Auschwitz, Treblinka, etc.). The psychiatrist Dr. Imfried Eberl, Treblinka’s first commandant and the only physician to command a death camp, established the facility following his experience as superintendent of Brandenburg Psychiatry Hospital (2).” https://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/full/10.1176/appi.ajp.163.1.27
The death of psychiatry starts with number 4 on the list.
4. State laws would be changed to eliminate all references to psychiatrists or their current legally defined functions.
All court cases would be judged on facts that have happened first, not the reason WHY they (what crime? ) happened first.
No one should be sentenced BEFORE they commit their crime they will do in the future.
“He is just selling a book” the elite stand on a pyramid of power, so the base (that supports false science) must be removed . As the wizards/doctors fight amongst themselves, where do they get their power from? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramid_of_Capitalist_System
“The United States invests a sizable amount of money on treatments for mental health and substance abuse: $135 billion in 2005, or 1.07 percent of the gross domestic product.” https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21289350
Positive symptoms in schizophrenia refer to an excess or distortion or normal function. Positive symptoms are the ones most typically associated with schizophrenia or psychosis.
From the article “I didn’t know who to turn to.”
What religion to turn to? The “Hare Krishna movement” or the religion of magical chemicals ( chem. lobotomies)?
In adolescence , in males there is a 30 times increase of testosterone. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25151053
Like all animals that compete for females to have offspring, the male is supposed to show how smart, strong or skilled they are with this increase.
If the King(father) and Queen(mother) believe the (lies of the) quacks they will drug their child into following orders with horrible results.
Can’t overtly physically punish the children for wrong behavior, we have to invisibly punish with drugs (drugs called medicine).
If the drug dealer is not selling his drugs to persons A, B, and C , what is his incentive to find and report on the A, B, and C persons? The drug dealer has persons D to Z to sell his drugs to.
If the drug dealer finds people are not enjoying his drugs he will be disheartened and sad.
It is a conflict of interest to find out how people/patients recover, when you are selling drugs(medications for mental illness) for life.
“empower patients” this is a lie. The whole point of the drugs is to dis-empower the patient, to make the person compliant and malleable. They are selling a religion of magical chemicals and do not want to find out the truth, that there are no brain chemical imbalances for drugs to correct.
Sorry Dr. Scott Shannon, another critical comment, as mostly the angry will be motivated to respond, not the happy.
If everyone (adult) is a willing participant in a MDMA treatment, caveat emptor, obviously that is fine.
However , Psychiatry is known to jail people and force them against their will to be treated. Though forced MDMA would likely be better for a persons brain function and memories than a session of ten or so Electroshocks prescribed-forced on the severely saddened.
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You write ” a chemical molecule will finally bury the chemical imbalance theory” and “we have growing evidence that antipsychotic medication damages the frontal lobes of the brain”
Without the chemical imbalance theory for schizophrenia the psychiatrist has no justification for “medicating”(poisoning) their ill patients with antipsychotics, so psychiatry can not bury the imbalance theory.
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There is no police force, no internal affairs for psychiatry.
With no body of oversight to enforce rules , like the Nuremberg code “Required is the voluntary, well-informed, understanding consent of the human subject in a full legal capacity.” what person has ever been charged? Psychiatry will do whatever it wants as it answers to no one.
From Wikipedia article on Lieberman.
“Methylphenidate challenge as a predictor of relapse in schizophrenia.” Authors Jeffrey Lieberman, Kane JM, Gadaleta D, Brenner R, Lesser MS, Kinon B. Am J Psychiatry. 1984 May,141(5):633-8
“Prediction of relapse in schizophrenia.” Authors Jeffrey Lieberman,Kane JM, Sarantakos S, Gadaleta D, Woerner M, Alvir J, Ramos-Lorenzi J. Arch Gen Psychiatry. 1987 Jul 44(7):597-603
“Behavioral response to methylphenidate and treatment outcome in first episode schizophrenia”. Authors Jody D, Jeffrey Lieberman, Geisler S, Szymanski S, Alvir JM. Psychopharmacol Bull. 1990;26(2):224-30
Mood responses of remitted schizophrenics to methylphenidate infusion”]. Authors Robinson D, Mayerhoff D, Alvir J, Cooper T, Jeffrey Lieberman. Psychopharmacology 1991;105(2):247-52
“Methylphenidate response, psychopathology and tardive dyskinesia as predictors of relapse in schizophrenia.”Authors Jeffrey Lieberman,Alvir J, Geisler S, Ramos-Lorenzi J, Woerner M, Novacenko H, Cooper T, Kane JM. Neuropsychopharmacology. 1994 Oct,11
The behavioral effect of m-chlorophenylpiperazine (mCPP) and methylphenidate in first-episode schizophrenia and normal controls.” Authors Koreen , Jeffrey Lieberman, Alvir J, Chakos M. Neuropsychopharmacology. 1997 Jan;16(1):61-8
No way will schizophrenics make past 65 years old with the 20 year average shorter life span. I hope to make it to 60 years old at best/ most optimistic.
And the global map is screwy because north of the Canadian-American border there are fewer cities and fewer people which would make “psychosis” zero persons per square mile.
“psychosis,” as defined by the ICD-10 diagnostic criteria,
I wish there was a real test for psychosis.
George Carlin said he was angry , the rich and the elite call the poor persons anger “psychosis” for not accepting the shick they are forced to eat, smell and handle. Not following orders? you are psychotic.
Higher the human density, the higher the rate of anger? You are driving me crazy!
“The owners of this country don’t want that. They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed well educated people capable of critical thinking. That doesn’t help them. What they want are “Obedient Workers” People who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paper work and just dumb enough to passively accept the low paying chitter jobs with the reduced pension and reduced benefits.” ADULT LANGUAGE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RhIxxvYtRE
Regarding “I knew a man in a group home who kept yelling at his voices, “F___ you, XXXXs!”
The question you have to ask is “Was he like this before psychiatry, before psychiatric drugs had affected his brain?” more and more drugs is not the solution.
From living in the noisy city I too can yell “F___ you, XXXXs!” but if I am in the silence and serenity of land that is outside the city I feel much better.
If I had a disease like cancer that was aggravated and stimulated to grow when living in the city , doctors would recommend leaving the city. But in psychiatry the living situation (environment) of the “patient” is ignored.
What is aggravating and stimulating some ones “mental illness”? I would say noise pollution of the industrialized city.
Patient 09 stated: “I felt I was 15 years younger after the operation … I felt so strong and confident … I could do anything … I felt so good I tried to move the pool table and I ruptured the disc in my back … I blame DBS for that because I felt so good, I did something that I couldn’t have done when I was 21 and I don’t know why I thought I could do it when I was 54 … I was in a wheel chair for 2 months.”
“as I said before, I would probably be dead years ago.”
Whose hand would have done it?
“In psychiatry, however, one set of rules is used to explain sane behavior and another set of rules is used to explain insane behavior: sane behavior is attributed to reasons (choices), insane behavior to causes (diseases).” http://www.academyanalyticarts.org/szasz-mental-illness
Medicine is for legitimate disease. You take a drug that damages the higher brain functions, where a persons subconscious mind lives. Bad thoughts and bad feelings used to be attributed to sins, as in the choice to think bad thoughts of suicide. If you don’t control your thoughts who does?
You obviously have never experienced torture from mental health professionals, like I have for the fictional illness of “schizophrenia”.
Have you been tied to a gurney? Been poisoned to feel an insatiable thirst, then been denied water for your third? Jailed without trial on the presumption of guilt of future crime?
schizophrenia is an iatrogenic illness. I am a perfect example of it.
Brainwashing is what happens when they first hospitalize/jail the mentally ill patient, for the several months of ” treatment”.
When given the stigma of a “serious mental illness” hope is lost. With no hope the person does not look after themselves for a potential mate ( wife/husband) and the psychiatric drugs make and keep the ” patient” stupid. Stupid enough to follow orders.
” psychiatric medications adversely affect one or more of the three phases of normal sexual response: desire, arousal, and orgasm.” https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20668442
I don’t know if you remember the Nazi’s.
The cost and the time to stop your enemy from reproduction.
“Radiation
The usual surgical methods, according to Brack, were “out of the question because it takes too long and is too expensive.” But Brack had a preferred suggestion for performing the sterilizations using “castration by X-rays.” For obvious reasons, Himmler had a preference for sterilization methods that would be least apparent to the victims.http://large.stanford.edu/courses/2017/ph241/payzer2/
“All participants with schizophrenia were currently prescribed psychiatric medication”, no schizophrenic patients undrugged?
Those in authority call the drugs medicine, then the patients can not be deprived of a medicine. My third reference at the bottom of this comment “Ho acknowledges that his study is marred by the lack of a placebo control group — for ethical reasons, patients cannot be deprived of the medications they need”
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“Many large studies comparing participants with schizophrenia to control subjects have confirmed significant neurocognitive deficits, with individuals diagnosed with schizophrenia performing about one standard deviation below the norm.”
All the schizophrenics must be geniuses because of only a one point drop in IQ from the psychiatric drugs.
1) Using Imaging to Look at Changes in the Brain. The big finding is that people with schizophrenia are losing brain tissue at a more rapid rate than healthy people of comparable age. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/16/health/research/16conv.html
“the public has a right to be safe.” Yes , if a person is a proven criminal perhaps the current sentencing time is too short?
Otherwise society should not put people in jail BEFORE they commit their crime.
society should not put people on drugs (called medicine) BEFORE they commit their crime, as the drugs usually increase the odds of crime occurring. The drugs damage the brain, they do not “help” it.
As the people believe the drugs are medicine and not drugs, I think more medicine will be prescribed or forcefully issued.
Only when everyone knows psychiatry prescribes drugs, not medicines, might some kind of sanity occur.
A mathematician is taking his written exam to become a firefighter.
The second to last question is: you come to a burning building, what do you do?
Put the fire out, he answers.
The last question is,”You come to a building you’ve been called to, but it’s not on fire, what do you do?”
Set it on fire, he answers.
Later, the examiner calls him in to ask about that last answer. Why would you set it on fire?
Because, says the mathematician, then it’s reduced to a problem I know how to solve.
I think you are smart enough to carry the analogy over to psychiatry and a patient they have to treat.
Setting the building/patient on fire/ forcing drugs on them ( a physically healthy person), because then the situation is reduced to a problem they have been trained to solve.
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Tyrants never give up their power voluntarily.
Today they directly “stimulate” the brain with electricity (instead of stimulating the genitals, nerves in genitals give sensation to the brain) , and then the “medicinal” treatment can be applied to both male and female “patients” in the guise of science.
The foundation is that people believe the psychiatric drugs are medicine, and they do. Bad behaviour is not a choice but something to be “corrected” by magical chemicals.
Who ever has the gold/money makes the rules. If you have a source of gold/money from providing a service, both the provider and the person/company paying want the deal to continue.
If you are not causing trouble then those in authority will/would have no reason to force a court ordered depot injection or use these new smart pills that tell if the criminal-who-isnt-acriminal has consumed them.
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In the big picture of humans on the planet.
Once women have the knowledge and access to inexpensive birth control they tend not to have children. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_fertility_rate#United_States
As psychiatry has successfully converted the act of sinning ( all humans are imperfect/ make mistakes/ basically animals: as in: we need to breath, eat, and sleep like any animal) into psychiatric disease, psychiatry will never run out of new clients to treat.
IMO the only solution to forced drugging is that psychiatry has to be exposed as a religion. There are no brain chemical imbalances . There is no psychotic molecule, virus or bacteria for an antipsychotic to affect.
It is all about following orders from those who have the gold/money.
Psychiatry’s diagnostic criteria is the same as religions diagnostic criteria, where religion has vices and virtues defined. Psychiatry sells drugs for its judgements of disease, in religion the sinner/patient might give money to the church to try to find forgiveness/atonement.
Psychiatry writes your sins down on paper never to be forgotten, while in religion it is up to the individual to remember or not remember their failings . Patients have to make a request for their psychiatry files, not given information, they have to figure out what is “wrong” on their own while the “doctor” watches and laughs.
“…a family member or friend has a more “objective” understanding of the effects of psychotropic drugs.” they (family/friend) don’t have to take the drugs/ do not know the effects of the drugs, so would rather have the angry person drugged.
Psychiatrists like to call people paranoid, when in fact people can be out to get your money (if you have any). Myself I carry a camera when ever in public, If someone starts messing with you , you can take still photos or a video. These photos or videos are for your own peace of mind . To know what you experience was real or not.
Thank you for continuing the debate on the efficacy of the psychiatric drug “antipsychotics”.
Myself I was tortured by psychiatry on my first admission to psychiatry with the use of “antipsychotics”. I endured the sensation of extreme thirst and did not have access to water or a bathroom. I was tied to a bed/gurney.
Today thirty years later , I do not take psychiatric drugs and I am relatively stable . “Stable” meaning out of psychiatric hospital for several years. The relapses in “mental health” I have had , have reasons , not brain chemical imbalances ( to be corrected by a magical chemical-antipsychotic).
Myself , as a supposed schizophrenic, I enjoy the information of that biological psychiatry’s days are numbered at time index 17:08 of the audio.
Another highlight for me is at time 19:16 the ideas of Thomas Szasz is mentioned. If they find proof in the genes then its neurological disease not mental illness.
yes i second stay away. and yes secretly taper or go cold turkey as others beliefs of relapse/belief in false Gods ( the magical holy molecules of science that can only do GOOD) can influence you the “patient”. Pretend everything is normal and fine until it becomes true.
A large part of human interaction is subconscious, visual and vocal aspects. If you think fearful, your face will show fearful and the person observing will be affected. Same goes with anger, if you feel angry your face will show it and people will respond to it.
There is a chance of relapse but as long as I monitor myself, my stability and take action if something is wrong, there is no need to drug the present moment in time out of fear of a possible bad future.
Taking drugs continually came from the discovery and application of penicillin.
“The best available treatment, sulpha drugs, had been administered to little effect. His left eye became infected and was removed on Feb. 3, 1941. The infection then spread to his lungs and shoulder. He was in great pain, with his scalp, face, arms and eye suppurating. Heatley’s diary puts it starkly: he was “oozing pus everywhere.”
On Feb. 12, 1941, he was given 200 milligrams of penicillin intravenously – the largest dose yet – followed by 100 mg every three hours for a total of four injections. Within 24 hours there was dramatic improvement. After a further four injections, his temperature was normal and his appetite returned. He was on the way to recovery. Tragically, the supply of penicillin was exhausted. Ten days later, Const. Alexander began a slow decline, which ended in his death from septicemia three weeks later.
REM sleep is affected by “antipsychotics”.https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18840034
People with a hammer justifying their use of a hammer.
My worst nightmare is being in the prison-that-isnt-a-prison called a hospital. and in prison they don’t or cant force you to take poison for a figurative illness.
Maybe nightmares of previous “treatment” and possible future “treatment” are keeping people from sleeping well.
For if you suffer your people to be ill-educated, and their manners to be corrupted from their infancy, and then punish them for those crimes to which their first education disposed them, what else is to be concluded from this, but that you first make thieves and then punish them.
Sir Thomas More, Utopia, Book 1
English author, courtier, humanist, & saint (1478 – 1535)
If you believe in something, it can come true. The nocebo effect is when you believe you are ill from an authority telling you , “You are ill”.
You can see, type and write intelligently, so therefore you are intelligent. Do not not let worry affect your logical mind of reason. Stay physically active, as in get out of the apartment/house every day. If you appear to to functional and stable, you ARE functional and stable. One day at a time I declare victory.
In the report its written “The suicide rate in schizophrenia between 1875 and 1924” D. HEALY, M. HARRIS, R. TRANTER, P. GUTTING, R. AUSTIN, G. JONES-EDWARDS, A. P. ROBERTS
The British Journal of Psychiatry Feb 2006, 188 (3) 223-228; DOI: 10.1192/bjp.188.3.223
In the time before medical science had microscopes and the four blood types identified, I expect at least half of the mentally ill of that time had physical diseases affecting the mind/brain/feelings/thoughts ( as a reason for their misbehavior).
“…by June 1918, Bruce Robertson (19) had observed three cases of fatal hemoglobinuria in 100 transfusions. Later in the war, preliminary blood grouping became the rule, but, when there were no facilities for laboratory work, his suggestion of a test injection was generally used, particularly in emergencies. If no symptoms occurred within 1 or 2 minutes after the injection of 15 to 20 cc. of donor blood, it was thought safe to proceed with the transfusion.”
How many SMI seriously mentally ill have children? No one talks of this.
That IS what animals do. Eat food , and reproduce.
With the label and psychiatric drugs the person can not find employment and does not have a reason to work without a family.
It IS a jungle out there and almost everyone is working for their own interests.
The most surprising is when your own family wants you drugged out the the fear of the unknown future/fear of mental illness. The King and Queen want to stay in power and will do anything to keep it.
It is like locking people with chains and heavy balls then complaining the person-patient can’t run and jump, when they the “DOCTOR” have applied the restraints.
Before psychiatric drugs-medication I was a reader of books. I have a fair sized collection of books from that time. Today I don’t read ( I find the world too noisy) and I wonder if the drugs affected my brain.
A reading test is one that no animal study can duplicate.
Are you following orders? Good. Then you do not get “keeping people against their will in jailswards which are often unpleasant and sometimes frightening, and where often the only help on offer is drugsmedication “.
Electroshock IS evidence based. In the evidence they remove anyone who does not like the treatment, was injured by the treatment or was killed by the treatment. Then they can call it a success.
maybe those in power DO know it is a scam. putting people in jail before they do crime(psychiatry) and after they do crime. All the white collar jobs and paper pushers are employed, and the people subjugated.
Money can not solve the problem, just like if-when we humans destroy the ecosystem of the planet. Temperature extremes being so severe that life can’t exist, or we humans can’t grow food cheaply any more.
I like evidence based medicine as the proof is in the outcome. When we had Lobotomies the proof was in the outcomes. How the promoters of Lobotomies got the Nobel prize I don’t know.
“Moniz reported that the patient seemed less anxious and paranoid afterwards, and pronounced the operation a success. ”
What about the patient? What did they think of the operation? Can they form the words or the thoughts necessary to complain?
If the evidence is arraigned to favour the treatment, which is done with electroshock , of course evidence based medicine DOES NOT WORK IF THE EVIDENCE IS FALSIFIED and there is no one with the power to question the foundation.
If the supposed doctor removes the patients ability (thought and action) to complain, that is not a successful treatment.
Feelings (unlike thoughts) can’t be argued with , yes. Coming off of anti-anxiety drugs is a very tough feeling that can take days for minor improvement.
I agree that “psychotic” is mostly fictional. The exception is when people are drugged with a mistaken thought in their head, and since drugged can not be reasoned with or self reflect on their chain of logic that lead to their error in thinking.
Thank you for the article! I do not believe psychiatric drugs are medicines. My mind is not diseased.
Rational thought comes from a fully functioning brain.
Szasz says that neither the pro-drug psychiatrists or the anti-drug psychiatrists treats the patient as a responsible moral agent.
Once a doctor starts drugging someone ( two kinds of patients, one wants “help”, the second type of patient does NOT want help). the doctor takes the freewill away from the patient as the drugs have physically altered the brain.
When a doctor declares someone unable to control themselves, then gives the person drugs that physically makes the person unable to control themselves, the doctor is making the future (predictions) come true.
A doctor has to have proof of physical disease first before they apply a physical treatment. Otherwise yes I do agree with locking up ( with due process) people who make serious threats of violence ( out of control people).
Two of my mentally ill friends ( we spent time in hospital-prison together) are happy to be indentured to psychiatry or too stupid to realize they are indentured to psychiatry. The drugs called medicine may inhibit the cognition necessary to perceive and understand their indenturement.
Their cognitive liberty was crushed years ago.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQJb9PivYRU
Psychiatry is a perfect system but not to the government who has to pay all the bills without receiving genuine service/labour.
Podcast 16 forum does not exist yet on the internet, so no one can comment at that location.
Regarding “Please feel free to email us with topic suggestions or post them in our forum.”
What is mental illness? It means different things to different people.
If you (the person) can ask the question “Am I mentally ill?”, weigh the pros and cons for a few moments, it means you probably are not.
stuttering can be recorded with todays technology and anyone listening to the recording would agree it is a problem in speaking. involuntary action. Mental illness? What?
Tourette’s syndrome I believe can be found by neurology, a physical defect of/in the brain. involuntary action. Mental illness? What?
sleep apnea, again measurable with scientific instruments that anyone looking at the documented evidence could perceive the problem in sleeping. involuntary action. Mental illness? What?
Judgement of sanity through the sight, the sound and the smell of the accused is quackery and will always be quackery.
Applying a permanent label is quackery and will always be quackery because people are continually changing from day to day, month to month, year to year. No injury goes unchanged. The injury either gets worse or gets better. https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81YZ7vdbNuL._SY550_.jpg
“Paternalism is at work here.” No, I say it is the matriarchy. All punishment can not appear to be punishment. Hospital not a jail, Medicines not drugs are given. No specific fault or problem is confronted to avoid the possibility of violence.
When the pro electroshock people write their scientific papers they leave out the dead and injured, the dead and injuries that may have come from the electroshock treatment.
The message has to be kept as simple as possible so “we” do not appear crazy in our description of what is wrong.
For instance Torrey is a human brain hoarder , he collects hundreds or brains and can find nothing wrong with them. Except for the consequences to long term drugging.
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There is no psychotic molecule, virus or bacteria. Short and simple.
Yes David, sorry for my first post being so negative.
In hindsight we the “mentally ill” should form demonstrations and educate the public we are friendly and do not deserve punishment. We do not deserve poison those in power call medicine.
We should ask the general public how they would feel if they were forced to take drugs/poison in the demonstration. but this fractures the mentally ill group, as some do, or have to take the drugs to stay “healthy”/mentally stable.
Exposure to sunlight as in exposing the truth is the way to go.
The general public dislikes the mentally ill so much that they removed “so-called incurables” from the original “First they came for…”
1946 version “Dann hat man die Kranken, die sogenannten Unheilbaren beseitigt.”
Als Pastor Niemöller ins Konzentrationslager kam, schrieben wir 1937, als das Konzentrationslager aufgemacht wurde, da schrieben wir 1933, und die damals in die Konzentrationslager kamen, waren Kommunisten. Wer hat sich darum gekümmert? Wir haben es gewußt, es stand in den Zeitungen. Wer hat die Stimme erhoben, etwa die Bekennende Kirche? Wir haben gedacht: Kommunisten, diese Religionsgegner, diese Christenfeinde – “soll ich meines Bruders Hüter sein?” Dann hat man die Kranken, die sogenannten Unheilbaren beseitigt. –
otherwise in English
When Pastor Niemöller was put in a concentration camp we wrote the year 1937; when the concentration camp was opened we wrote the year 1933, and the people who were put in the camps then were Communists. Who cared about them? We knew it, it was printed in the newspapers. Who raised their voice, maybe the Confessing Church? We thought: Communists, those opponents of religion, those enemies of Christians – “should I be my brother’s keeper?” Then they got rid of the sick, the so-called incurables. –
“gives society further justification for manufacturing more and more such ‘losers’.”
This goes to people loving to judge and label others. 2000 years ago it used to be judging sins like adulterer , but back in that time they did not have inexpensive PAPER to write the sins down on. Today with technology, everyone’s mistakes (or alleged sins) are recorded forever on paper.
They priests/psychiatrist do their job mostly for the power , not the money. Otherwise doping people senseless and claiming it is medicine is an easy job with no one in power to critic the doping.
The drugs sold as medicines to prevent further mistakes, make tones of money. But people will always make mistakes. Worse mistakes when on drugs that affect rational thought, but this will lead to calls for more-better magical medicines.
The foundation of the “what amounts to a medical curse” is where the curse/labeling takes place.
Does it take place in a hospital or in a prison?
Why was the person forced to hear/listen to the curse/labeling? In most cases they were in a prison called a hospital. Most cases “helped” by medicinal cement to prevent the performance of the wrong actions or behaviour. A punishment BEFORE the crime has occurred.
If a crime has not happened, then society can not imprison and drug physically healthy people ( no brain chemical imbalance), and give the subjects/”patient” (temporary and current) actions a permanent label/curse. Curse written down on paper so it can not be forgotten or forgiven.
Psychiatric survivors have to keep the duality of the hospital/prison in their mind their entire lives. When speaking to others who do not know psychiatry, must use the word hospital, but with other survivors might use the word prison.
Once you can logically question the legitimacy of where and who placed the curse, you can dampen its power.
In the Christian bible Jesus is reported to have said ” A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit”.
What kind of work do you do?
Psychiatrist’s poison people with drugs and give electroshock to make the victim/patient apathetic and indifferent.
“Apathy and indifference is the final result of all of the most potent psychiatric treatments.” Peter R. Breggin, MD
Papers written for science, for the efficacy of electroshock are junk science when they leave 50% of the source patient/starting number out of the calculations. There is no Internal Affairs division in psychiatry like the police have to keep bad police in check.
I know Robert Jay Lipton from the book “The nazi doctors: Medical killing and the psychology of genocide”
Bandy X. Lee, M.D. is the author of “The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump”
Judging someones actions is a judgement of morals, which is religious and not medicine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_reasoning
If they were police judging his actions it would be criminal or legal actions they are trying to determine.
I was given the description/diagnosis of severe mental illness at age 19 and I did try to suicide to escape from the feelings of pain/horror/despair. The psychiatric diagnosis gave me a final reason to end my life (no hope of a future) and the psychiatric drugs gave me a means of how to do it.
Obviously I survived.
In fear of the (unknown) future people poison themselves (with psychiatric drugs) in the present moment by choice or from the intimidation of their psychiatrist( pseudo mother/father authority).
Many people can have a much more productive life off of the psychiatric drugs that inhibit cognition and physical activity.
Doctors want their patients to be, to think smart and then poison the brain? That is crazy.
If genetic defects become commonly repaired then that is another reason to end coercive psychiatry.
There is no physical defect in the human being (brain) to justify forced treatment.
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Oh the poisoning works, it stops the patient/slabe from exhibiting any unwanted behaviour. The outside person such as the family is happy for the control. Who pays the psychiatrist? The schizophrenic is not paying the supposed doctor.
“People labelled by institutional psychiatrists as mentally ill are concurrently defined by the courts as less than human, in much the same way ‘Negroes’ in America were once defined as three-fifths persons. This is how Black people were, and people with mental illnesses are, deprived of liberty and justice by the state. Labelling of anyone as less than human is legal fiction, something false that is asserted as true, that the courts will not allow to be disproved. Just as defining Negroes as three-fifths persons served to maintain the institution of slavery, defining people as mentally ill serves to maintain the institution of psychiatry.
A person has a right to refuse treatment for cancer. A person does not have a right to refuse treatment for mental illness. If institutional psychiatrists are deprived of their power by the state to deprive mentally ill persons of their liberty, that is, if the state did not allow psychiatrists to enslave their patients in the name of liberating them, institutional psychiatry would go the way of slavery, as well it should.” wrote J. A. Schaler.
Regarding “individuals using antipsychotic drugs had no documented psychiatric diagnosis.”
If I had a broken leg twenty years ago and I go to see the doctor, will he/she put a new cast on my healed leg? No, because too much time has passed. Similarly the application of psychiatric drugs on to people who had a history of taking psychiatric drugs is insane.
Age 18 and not responsible for your actions ?
“In physics, we use the same laws to explain why airplanes fly, and why they crash. In psychiatry, we use one set of laws to explain sane behaviour, which we attribute to reasons (choices), and another set of laws to explain insane behaviour, which we attribute to causes (diseases).” Szasz
I looked quickly through it, and may have missed it, but I saw nothing on cause and effect of the drugs/medications. For example the patient gets a diagnosis then is forced or willingly takes drugs/medications for the non-physical illness. These drugs/medications then do make a person unwell.
Similar to the chicken and egg paradox, when withdrawing from the drugs is it mental illness returning or simply drug withdrawal?
Only a robot might have a perfectly even temperament.
Confidence trick. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confidence_trick
Exploiting the person and/or the families fear of madness ( madness returning).
Regarding “Abolish forced treatment”
Forced treatment = Jail or putting people in jail BEFORE they commit crime.
As long as the insanity defense is valid in the legal system…
“Involuntary mental hospitalization and the insanity defense should be seen for what they are: symmetrical symbols of psychiatric power. In the one case, the psychiatrist “accuses” the innocent; in the other, he “excuses” the guilty.” (Szasz, 1982)
If you can’t feed, cloth and have a home what do you do? Szasz said something like. Can you walk up to a prison and say “Let me in?” I need food and shelter.
As a patient/inmate I had to do “Art therapy/occupational therapy” while poisoned ( can’t see, can’t talk, little hand control), or you don’t get our of prison/hospital. So I got no love for Art.
In 1993 Richard Bentall went a bit mad.
He voluntarily took an antipsychotic drug and at first thought he’d get through unscathed.
“For the first hour I didn’t feel too bad. I thought maybe this is okay. I can get away with this. I felt a bit lightheaded”Then somebody asked him to fill in a form. “I looked at this test and I couldn’t have filled it in to save my life. It would have been easier to climb Mt Everest.”
That was the least of his troubles. https://davidhealy.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Richard-B-goes-Mad.pdf
Opiated – The Tragically Hip
Well, the medicine man started seeing red
You think the snake just dreams up the poison in his head
Well, addicted to approval, addicted to the air
It was see if you like it or see you on up there
The Luxury-The Tragically Hip
Prison yard stares and fleur-de-lis tattoos
Cannibals are saving all their bones for soup
Eating with my fingers and sucking hulls of ships
My parasite don’t deserve no better than this
yes that is the correct answer, stay away from psychiatry. Only you can leave the equation, the “doctor” is compelled to keep helping. My two hands drawing each other icon image.
Psychiatry is the new form of slavery.
Euripides, in “The Phoenician Women” wrote “Who dares not speak his free thoughts is a slave.”
Today’s slave owners do not even allow the slave a mind to think with.
Normal people work a job for their family, house and car. The mentally ill generally do not have any children, do not have a house, do not have a car. What are they working for?
And without the rights of a normal person. Get sectioned for not obeying orders.
its not a prison its a hospital, we are not drugging people we are giving people medicine, as its a hospital the prisoner-who-isnt-a-prisoner needs no rights, needs no Miranda rights. The system is perfect if it wasnt it wouldnt exist.
And not bullshit cause of death reports like ” I’m going to say he died of natural causes and I’m satisfied he was well looked after.”” https://www.madinamerica.com/2014/02/uk-mans-death-medication-side-effects-ruled-natural-causes/
This coroner should lose his license to practice , but no one mentions lying on a report is ? criminal because he is being “kind” to the family. “Only lacking compassion (kindness) is still a sin.” wrote Thomas Szasz in his book Cruel Compassion.
Legal drugs of alcohol and tobacco are used , so I have no problem with people taking prescription drugs to cope with life. Power and control of the dope dealer is the problem.
Like quitting smoking, I support cold turkey quitting , though I do not think it is easy at all.
The longer on the drug the more damage is occurring to the brain. A person usually heals from injury, electroshock included.
“The main outcome of interest will be social functioning along with relapse, side effects, employment, and costs”
Regarding employment, F U ! What does a SMI person want with employment? I will work for those that tortured and jailed me unjustly? You got to be kidding me.
You going to remove the SMI status from my medical files? Give me years of my life back that were lost to your worship of magical molecules? F U.
Yes kindredspirit, people make choices to use drugs or not. Unless the drug is forced on them by a psychiatrist. Psychiatry is addicted to prescribing and can not stop.
Children can not BE mentally ill. As mental illness is defined by behavior and children can not control their behavior as is why they are named children.
“Because the mental diseases that supposedly afflict children are undeniably misbehaviors, and because the child mental patient is in an even more helpless position than the adult mental patient, child psychiatry is a doubly problematic enterprise.” “Child psychology and child psychiatry cannot be reformed. They must be abolished.” Szasz
Yes the psychiatrists are stupid to put people in jail BEFORE they have committed a crime. “In the one case, the psychiatrist “accuses” the innocent; in the other, he “excuses” the guilty.” Szasz
In short, with the passage of time in jail and drugs, psychiatry can make people sick, as they have claimed the person is.
What would the world do with (unchained) undrugged psychiatric patients? Properly conditioned, most patients like their chains.
Thank you for the article Philip Hickey.
If you compare the psychiatric drugs to chains, the persons that chains the slave will of course say the chains are helpful in controlling the behavior of the slave.
I found one error ” But psychiatry can’t turn non-illnesses into illnesses. ” under the heading “BUT… IS PSYCHIATRY REFORMABLE?”
I was diagnosed schizophrenic at age 19 I am now 49 and have rejected the psychiatric drugs as much as I can because I like my brain and think it functions fine.
Friends I have known since we were in hospital(jail) together when we were 19 (we made friends there) think that I am (now) a genius. In fact, I have average intelligence but I do accept their compliment.
They tell me I am smart because otherwise (if I was average) then they would be stupid, and no one wants to think of themselves as stupid. I wonder what their brain volumes would look like in a MRI scan after the thirty years of drugs they have consumed.
The long term use of psychiatric drugs does make illness in its subjects. The long term use of psychiatric drugs damage the brain, and when it does so it fulfills the prophesy of the psychiatrist that the person is ill.
If or when my friends discontinued the drugs over the thirty years they would have withdrawal symptoms. Symptoms like insomnia and “strange” thoughts. In addition they were never given/taught skills to handle their emotions of anger and such, so they always went back on the drugs. They were successfully taught to fear their emotions, that their emotions were diseases.
Very few understand that the psychiatric drugs affect the brain like the drug alcohol affects the brain to think/work.
Only God knows how responsible she was for her actions. With alcohol they do have a known limit of 0.05 grams (50 milligrams) of alcohol in every 100 millilitres of blood.
The pharmaceutical company drugs can only do “good” things to a persons brain according to the brainwashed public, and there is no one making billions in profits to be able to publish contrary information about the drugs.
“ensure that foster children’s informed consent is obtained and documented.”
It is the crazy world of “it’s got electrolytes”/idiocracy 2006 film.
Children can not give ” informed consent “. They have no choice for one thing, for a second, children can not enter into legal agreements as they are under the age OF consent.
“in the end we ALL have the right to decide whether or not we want to live or die.”
That IS correct.
If a person is STUPID enough to talk about suicide ( they don’t know “we ALL have the right to decide”) they should be locked up.
Flip your statement around.
“People need to openly talk about such thoughts without judgement or threat of incarceration in a hospital.”
to
“People need to openly talk about their thoughts about killing others without judgement or threat of incarceration.”
Does it make any sense? http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/04/middleeast/al-qaeda-branch-yemen-united-states/index.html
“Mark…. I hope you will reconsider your position.”
I can see no alternative. If person “A” threatens to kill person “B”, person “B” can complain to the police. If the police find sufficient evidence for the complaint, they can charge person “A”. Person “A” gets some kind of punishment.
If person “A” and person “B” are the same person , a person threatening suicide, bystanders and authority can not just watch and wait for the person to kill themselves.
Talk of suicide has to be put back in the closet where it belongs. If you talk of suicide you should get locked up. Jail-hospital interchangeable.
People have confused the feeling of despair with the action of suicide.
Thank you Lauren Andersen, for trying to police the psychiatry system.
Myself , I think the worst part of being jailed (before I committed any crime) was the psychiatric drugs they call medicine.
Everyone in the system is being paid, whether they do good or bad, if they follow the rules or don’t follow the rules.
I, unlike others at MIA do believe in involuntary commitment, but with just cause , involving a genuine court hearing of evidence.
Those held in prison-hospital have to be given a reasonable method to get out of the prison ( imagine it was YOU mistakenly imprisoned!), and/or the punishment/treatment must fit the crime ( with the crime having occurred first, not after psychiatry).
schizophrenia is not a disease. How do you catch it? How do you die from it?
“schizophrenia” is the modern day equivalent of calling someone a witch . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salem_witch_trials
No way to scientifically prove (blood test, X-ray et cetera) you are, or are not a witch/schizophrenic.
Regarding “….Allen Frances. Frances was the chair of the DSM-IV taskforce and has written extensively about ADHD overdiagnosis and overmedication of children.”
I disagree that the psychiatric drugs are medication. The children are not being over-medicated, but over-drugged.
In my generations time we obeyed authority out of fear due to the Patriarchy. Today fear can not be induced in the child due to the Matriarchy being in power. Most coercion today is done with drugs renamed as “medicine”.
Your (bad) choices are not your fault “We are helping you with medicine!”
What will be the outcome? http://eastloshigh.com/thesiren/sagging-pants/
To protect the patient from hurting or killing themselves the obvious solution is to keep the patient/prisoner in hospital/jail .
The helpers now have scientific evidence now to support unlimited hospitalization/detention. http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2879#comic
In the animal kingdom, the rule is, eat or be eaten; in the human kingdom, define or be defined. – Thomas Szasz
If the defined person does not stay ill, they were misdiagnosed, a circular logic explanation of a fraudster.
A typical person does stay ill when poisoned on a daily basis. Poison voluntarily taken on the belief that it is medicine. How did the belief take place? Several months of being conditioned in a jail , the jailer calls a hospital.
If I don’t take my medicine I can’t sleep at night. If I don’t take my medicine I start having some strange thoughts.
To Richard D. Lewis, you wrote “by forcibly incarcerating and drugging”. The mass population believes in the mistake of a “brain chemical imbalance” and that the psychiatric drugs are medicine ( not drugs). This has to be changed.
Forcible incarceration can be justified as a mercy on someone whose emotions are larger than their rational logical mind.
An example of mercy is someone who proclaims (to many witnesses) they plan to kill themselves, the bystanders can not stand by and do nothing. If a person instead of suicide threats, threatens to kill someone else the can be charged with a crime. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offences_against_the_Person_Act_1861#Threats_to_kill
In the case of threatening someone else’s life, they do not give or force “medicine” on to this person, similarly they should not give or force “medicine” on to the person threatening suicide.
Regarding a similar chart. I imagine NOT drugging the patient with poisons and waiting for “psychosis” to end naturally/ discussion of problem rationally/ physical problems discovered ( example. chronic lack of full sleep, B12 deficiency) and corrected.
Once the victim gets a “diagnosis” the sadists/demons get to torture the victim… and they get PAID to perform the torture service.
Dr. Thomas Story Kirkbride and any other doctor at the time were genuine quacks as medicine still had not found the four blood types and had not discovered penicillin.
Regarding “sowing seeds of untruth”. It is they, the psychiatrists who are sowing the seed of fear (of the future). A fear of life without an antipsychotic/a magic pill. A life without a psychiatrist. But reason and logic come from a fully functioning brain not a drugged/medicated one.
Bible “A farmer went out to sow his seed. As he was sowing, some seeds fell along the path, and the birds came and devoured them. Some fell on rocky ground, where they did not have much soil. They sprang up quickly, because the soil was shallow. But when the sun rose, the seedlings were scorched, and they withered because they had no root. Other seeds fell among the thorns, which grew up and choked the seedlings. Still other seeds fell on good soil and produced a crop—a hundredfold, sixtyfold, or thirtyfold.”
How many successful psychiatric patients on antipsychotics VS psychiatric patients off of drugs?
Success being defined as employed and having children. All the other living creatures on the planet have offspring to be considered a success.
I am now age 49. I was diagnosed seriously mentally ill at age 19. If I had taken the psychiatric drugs continuously I would be worse off today from the brain damage. Numerous studies show brain damage from psychiatric drugs. I and all mentally ill people need a fully functioning brain for reason, to be able to reason and communicate.
Any sane person knows you should not punish people before they commit a crime (those in authority image will happen), only after a crime. I never committed any crime to justify my drugging at age 19.
Thank you for criticizing the system Robert Whitaker.
Hopefully, in the future many peoples lives will be extended and they will become better functioning people. Not just slabs of living meat.
“But the problem with them is that they still make the substance the enemy.”
Is the Devil/Satan a real physical object? as an enemy.
Or as a ally , was God really a burning bush appearing to Moses?
For people to have successful lives I think they can blame the physical substance. (correctly)
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“You make choices. Your genes don’t”
Sometime people make the wrong or bad choices. As no one is perfect.
During physical and mental withdrawal people hear the “devil” temp them to drink/use drugs again, and people naturally do fall to temptation.
How do you forgive yourself for your mistakes? Some can’t forgive so keep using the drug to cope, to feel better. (with their physical health declining from the poisonous effects of a foreign substance)
Blaming a substance is legitimate , as the person is not their true selves when their mind has been altered by the substance, or the damage to their cognitive ability.
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If a licensed doctor prescribed to a patient a substance that alters the patients mind in a wrong way (instead of the intended “right” way), who is responsible?
When I asked my psychiatrist this question-idea she called me “dangerous”.
Roger Griggs, …. said, “There’s no way on God’s green earth we would ever promote stimulants directly to consumers”
The doctor and the pharmaceutical Co. accuse each other of doing the damage.
No God to lay judgement.
Will society self implode from all the children being harmed?
Regarding “Allowing writers to turn off comments”
This would go with the supply and demand for new material for the website. If there is a lack of material for the website, yes I agree with allowing writers to turn off comments.
If comments are disabled on a post it is a reflection on the writer and no big deal in my opinion.
Keeping the website healthy is the most important thing as it is a place for disseminating alternate opinions and facts on the success of psychiatric treatments.
Yes firstly it may be some kind of colorblindness or physical difference. Secondly, myself as a child wondered what those in authority would do when I told a harmless lie.
One time as a child I told a lie of the sink drain backing up and this bunch of dirt coming out. My mother went along with my fictional story , while my father got angry at the lie and said it was impossible for the dirt to back up. So I knew at that point who was going to confront a lie.
Perhaps these children who report red for green colors are not psychotic and are testing the intelligence of the adults?
Unusual Beliefs and Behaviors vs. Objective Realities and Truths.
Who is crazy is relative. Who has the power to define reality?
The disenfranchised has to be able, and have the skill to repeat the lies of the powerful back to them.
A prison that is called a hospital because those in authority want it called a hospital, and for the family of the imprisoned to believe the loved one is getting medicinal treatment and not punishment.
Poisons voluntarily and involuntarily given/taken called medicine because otherwise psychiatry would be just a talking experience akin to a religion. And we can’t have a forced religion.
Morons at the website to have such an unflattering photo of Dr. Catherine Sarkisian January 6, 2016 on display. It looks like she is about to have a seizure in the (still) photo.
“acute need for medication” wrote Vlado C. May 1, 2017 at 6:32 pm
WTF? You purposely stayed awake to bring on a mania.
That is not something a responsible adult would do.
You are not a “patient” but a drug (ab) user and need a legitimate source for drugs. That is not medicine.
Prove you have some physical defect ( that you did not cause yourself) , then a doctor would be issuing medicine, otherwise it is legal drugs.
You write of wanting over the counter Ativan in anther post. If you do not know the withdrawal consequences from Ativan, then you are truly inexperienced in the mental health world.
Asking doctors to find evidence of harm from electroshock in their patients is like asking the Tobacco industry to look for various cancers in people that use/buy their product. They do not want to stop selling a product/service.
“Psychosis” is a bullshit word. What is psychosis? A conflicted inner dialogue? Written of in the bible.
Matthew 19:22 Jesus told him, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow Me.” When the young man heard this, he went away in sorrow, because he had great wealth.
re”so what I get what 6 months in jail”
You will not be judged a criminal for violence but instead a dangerous mentally ill patient and poisoned ( they call medicine) for the rest of your life.
A previous post on the end of psychiatry https://www.madinamerica.com/2017/04/what-if-the-folly-is-in-us-too
” And if we stop calling them patients, are we ready to treat them as full citizens, make them face the consequences of their behavior like everyone else, including being hauled before a court if they break the law?”
You got it backwards. We first stop calling the psychiatric medicines , medicines. The chemicals psychiatry prescribes are just drugs, for there is no physical illness in the patient.
Then with no “medicines” to issue to your patient, who are you doctor? Are you a doctor? How do you differentiate yourself from a religious leader who also uses words to treat his congregation?
Normal people want to kill and such , as it is reflected in the number of video game sales of Grand Theft Auto. “Mass shootings” is what many wish do to one day when they “snap”.
” And if we stop calling them patients, are we ready to treat them as full citizens, make them face the consequences of their behavior like everyone else, including being hauled before a court if they break the law?”
You got it backwards. We first stop calling the psychiatric medicines , medicines. The chemicals psychiatry prescribes are just drugs, for there is no physical illness in the patient.
Then with no “medicines” to issue to your patient, who are you doctor? Are you a doctor? How do you differentiate yourself from a religious leader who also uses words to treat his congregation?
A Piano Lesson
“Under my tutelage, you will play the piano better than Rachmaninov himself.”
“But you have cut off my hands.”
“This is a very good quality piano, and I would like you to play it now.”
“I can’t play it because you have cut off my hands.”
Cutting the legs off a frog, then surprised when the frog doesn’t jump any more, or reattaching the legs then wondering why the frog doesn’t jump like it did .
Those in power are insane.
They have to prove a deficit or imbalance in brain chemicals to justify the addition of a drug to a healthy patient, and they can not.
I’m feeling hungry so I’m going to jump off a cliff. I’m feeling my colon is full so I’m going to jump off a cliff.
NO I prepare some food if I feel hungry. NO , I go to the toilet if my colon is full.
No one can feel suicidal.
People feel hopeless/lonely and think of the complex action of suicide as a solution. Who taught them this?
There is a STEP between feeling, and the action of suicide. They are NOT one and the same thing. http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/one-and-the-same
How many of these people “feeling suicidal” are having pleasurable sex?
One of the signs “They’re sleeping too much or too little.”
This is a joke right? Tell me this is a joke.
“This porridge is too hot!” she exclaimed. So, she tasted the porridge from the second bowl.
“This porridge is too cold,” she said. So, she tasted the last bowl of porridge.
“Ahhh, this porridge is just right,” she said happily and she ate it all up.” The Story of Goldilocks and the Three Bears
You do know both the boys and girls are becoming capable of reproduction from a massive increase of hormones.
Making the boys girls? and vice versa making the girls boys, so everyone is equal. Everyone has to be equal.
“What’s the point of treatment and going through years of agony and finally getting vastly better only to be told that there is no goal line I can possibly cross that will lead to me being undiagnosed?”
Regarding “drug, drug, drug mentality of so many of the people in the mental health services business” it is a religious belief in magical chemicals to make people “good” instead of “bad”. Doing something bad? He/she must be off their medication.
Constipation can make anyone feel badly, lead to a short temper, depression, and impact appetite/enjoyment of food . The psychiatric drugs that are designed to interfere with brain biochemistry also interfere with the stomach/colon biochemistry.
“Most of my patients have a very good understanding that there is a close connection between their emotions and their guts. But there are still very few neuroscientists who understand the complexity of this enteric nervous system and its links to the brain.” https://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/201111/your-backup-brain
I request the date and those responsible for the study of gluten and 36 mentally ill persons. I have heard this story many times but do not have the documented proof to reference to others who disbelieve.
Psychs are not insane in that they get paid for their actions, actions of drugging people and calling it medicine. The money in which the charlatans get paid in to do their work, does not really exist.
Well a 50 % chance at least, which is pretty good odds. Proof here “The percentages of antipsychotic-treated older adults with long-term use were 53.7% (70–74 years), 49.2% (75–79 years), and 46.2% (80–84 years). ” http://www.psychiatrist.com/jcp/article/Pages/2015/v76n10/v76n1021.aspx
Regarding “dissolving psychiatry as a profession”. The profession of psychiatry can never be dissolved as long as the law requires the accused to be “sane” at the time of the incident, presently and understand the charges against them. If both the prosecutor and defense attorney agree before a trial that the defendant is insane ( found not to be criminally responsible), the accused goes to a psychiatric prison rather than a criminal prison.
I would say until the law changes , until court cases are based on the facts of evidence first Who, What, Where, How, then the reasons WHY the crime occurred are asked second, the profession of psychiatry is secure.
Great news!
Regarding “unless it can take on more difficult patients too” is it a prison or a hospital? Is the patient/prisoner angry or psychotic? Those in authority call the persons behaviour psychosis instead of anger and drug them silent in their prison they call a hospital.
what are they laughing at us for? the specific reason? they are making money from the diploma or whatever credentials they have. With this job they have in mental health they have money to spend, spend as they wish.
What are you fighting against? Forced drugging? You are not following orders?
The only function of a psychiatrist is to drug the patient.
Anger at psychiatry can be converted to comedy/humor with imagination.
Voluntarily taking a poison/medicine every day makes some one humble. If a person consciously stays humble (every day) by remembering the mistakes they performed in the past they do not need the symbolic act of taking a poison.
Psychiatry never forgives, they write the mistakes all down on paper, where a broken leg diagnosis is a broken leg diagnosis forever.
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” Szasz.
Regarding the drugs/meds, you will get better , in the same way as a weightlifter gets better when lifting weights. Through repetition you will become better.
I say this as I , at age 19, was forced/given powerful antipsychotic drugs for several years (off and on) and today at 49 am doing okay. I have the gift of sight , the ability to hear, the ability to walk and talk.
If you keep looking at the negative, the negative will be apparent , so look for the good things. Similarly to the advice of when you drive, look at the road you want to take, not the tree on the side of the road you fear you will hit.
Thanks for writing this piece, sharing the information you have.
Regarding “What do I tell a family whose child comes to see me…”
Myself, I do not believe in giving/forcing drugs (others call medicine) to children, as in “no behaviour or misbehaviour is a disease” . T. Szasz.
I don’t know how anesthesiologists can justify their actions on a patient before electroshock, but they have some rational.
Do whatever your conscious lets you live with, but you shouldn’t take advice from an un-“medicated” schizophrenic.
Those that survive psychiatry often have emotional defects as well as intellectual defects that prevent them from both employment and organizing against those that damaged them.
“You know how many books and websites are promoted on mad in America.”
So its bad if someone is trying to sell a book against selling drugs-for-life, but it is okay that the drugs make billions in revenue for Pharma company. Right.
Dr. Allen Frances stated 39 Billion dollars being made a year by Pharma Companies.
Mad in America Film Festival Panel. Running time 48:04. The time of speaking is at 5:55. Date (video) Published on Oct 24, 2014 . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcqWa2r6bOA&feature=youtu.be&t=5m55s
If the drug comes from a doctor(prescription+pharmacist) it magically becomes a medicine.
I as a “schizophrenic” must take a fictional cure, (a medicine to the doctor, a poison from my perspective) , for my fictional illness if authority deems it necessary.
“Formerly, when religion was strong and science weak, men mistook magic for medicine; now, when science is strong and religion weak, men mistake medicine for magic. Thomas Szasz”
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A drug is a luxury you don’t truly need to live.
A medicine is a necessary treatment for a real (physical) disease.
A medicine has a start and finish date, a drug does not have a finish date.
A good clue that it is a drug , is if they give free samples.
Just like the old dope peddler.
“He gives the kids free samples
Because he knows full well
That today’s young innocent faces
Will be tomorrow’s clientele”
” a guy who ha experienced severe mental health sickness.”
I got that also. But, Where did it/does it come from? and do drugs make it worse?
Alcohol or crack do help people for a time, but the person was not lacking in alcohol or crack in their brain.
what is the “biological component ” in plain English?
” This (DeepBrainStimulation) worked for a month or two but soon the suicidal thoughts returned.
In February 2010, Mrs Cook was asked if she would trial an even newer form of treatment – Anterior Cingulotomy (GTAC) that involved burning out connections in the brain that were too active. ”
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Sorry you got needled/stuck(?) and administered a mind altering drug. The psych drugs could kill some one, but the person/patient/prisoner officially would not die from the drug, as the magical drugs can only do “good” things to a human being.
“neuroleptic malignant syndrome (NMS)” is one of the official descriptions.
My advice in such a situation where the police show up to the inconsequential action of taking down of a flyer, is to LIE to the police and say “No I did not take down the flyer. What are you talking about?” The onus( the burden) is then on the accuser to prove you did something wrong or criminal.
One of the signs of “sanity” is the ability to lie, if you can not lie it means you are insane.
And the drugged mentally ill have, on average a 25 year shorter life, AND brain shrinkage from the “medicine”. BUT the brain shrinkage is a GOOD thing. “decreasing brain volume could also be responsible for the beneficial effects of the drugs” http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110207/full/news.2011.75.html
Who is the mad one?
They put people in prisons that they say are not prisons.
Mary Barnes” she painted the walls with her own faeces until they gave her paint to use instead.”
“locked in a strange room. What if halfway through their trip they were given drugs that numb the mind and make it difficult to think or move clearly?”
This would make any sane person angry. Then they call the anger in the person “psychosis” and re-drug the “patient” for life for not liking the medical help, as the drugs stop ANGER in the patient.
Also the family of the patient/victim will not know or understand the experience of imprisonment and drugging, so will believe the allegations of insanity in the patient/victim, for the amount of anger in their loved one. And ANGER in the mentally ill must be drugged silent, don’t you know mentally ill people are dangerous?
A sweet system and set up of money for life for the Pharma Co. and fraudulent doctors.
Before chronicity there is no evidence of a brain disease in addiction, but after some time of use, the brain changes and the changes can be seen on today’s technology.
Whose problem is the addiction? Those who have to pay the cost.
Those addicts who want to quit should be helped to quit, not punished further. Only in forgiveness can an addict reform. Giving addiction a disease designation can stop the guilt that addicts feel for succumbing to their bodies urges for drugs, as the bad feeling of guilt leads to MORE drug use.
After the addicts brain changes back to “normal” after it heals, they would no longer have the disease, and it would be up to freewill once again.
To recover after psychiatric drugs, the person has to look after themselves and (self) moderate their mood from the inside, unlike the moderation that came/comes from the outside in the form of drugs (by force or willingly).
You wrote “When seroquel was prescribed she got better”
You conveniently leave out the details.
What was wrong with her that seroquel was prescribed? How do you define “got better”? Would she define herself as “got better”? I think not. That was not medicine.
The seroquel medicating/drugging is equivalent to hiding the problem( unresolved emotions-thoughts). Like hiding dirt, by sweeping it under a rug. After a time, you can no long hide dirt under the rug due to the quantity of dirt.
“After quitting the medication,”The slave has revolted, took off the chains. If the slave is disobedient to authority , those in power will force the chains back on.
Cognitive decline will happen to all of us, given enough time.
Senility and physical disability will occur, making the person dependent on those around them for support/help until the person dies.
Regarding “can it last for months?” yes. You are telling us from age 52 to 62 your mom took seroquel?
If your mother can not look after herself, as in pay the bills, get groceries and feed herself, keep herself, clothing and living area clean, then some one must be in charge of her. The person in charge wants the person under them to follow orders, and sometimes psychiatric drugs can dampen the subordinates/slaves fight or disobedience.
Aggression can come from feeling pain, as in anger usually has a reason. Where can pain come from? The feeling of hunger and the opposite , the feeling of constipation.
If a person displays anger from either feeling, they get more psychiatric medication/drugs for their bad behaviour. ( but the drugs affect the nerves in the intestine/colon/stomach the same as they affect the brain, so it is an endless cycle of drugging)
P.S. The psychiatrists are crazy themselves when they say a prison is not a prison, it is a hospital ( people can’t leave), the drugs they issue are not drugs, they are medicine( there is nothing physically wrong in the patient for the drugs to affect).
You wrote “Lobotomies were still being performed in Ms. Reynolds’ time but are unthinkable now.”
In hundreds of thousands , lobotomies still go on every day with the slow brain shrinkage from psychiatric drugs. http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110207/full/news.2011.75.html
In a few hundred, quick lobotomies are still performed, and we still have electroshock brain damage. “Gamma Knife at Rhode Island Hospital ” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwoMvc_CNBE
“Like most who have been though the mill and exited the other side,”
Keeping ones “Mental health” is never over, you never know what is around the corner.
A Working Brain computer interface for the paralyzed was on 60 minutes tonight March 26, 2023.
Ugly and bulky as F though . And they did tell the body-brain tends to cover the contact points in a year or two.
I missed WHO was working on it.
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The FDA has approved brain interfaces for (DBS) Parkinson’s, and cochlear implants (year 1990), so I would say one branch of the FDA doesn’t know what an other branch is doing?
“The FDA approves VIM-DBS for essential tremor and severe tremor in PD.”year 1996
“The FDA expands indications for DBS, approving its use in the subthalamic nucleus and globus pallidus” year 2001″
Elon Musk should say he is working on improving Parkinson’s, and cochlear implants, and “accidentally” find other uses.
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without corporal punishment all they have is magical psychiatric medicines to control the elderly who are not obeying orders.
See “over-medicating of seniors in long-term care facilities”.
or “Thousands of patients with dementia in nursing facilities are being overmedicated with psychotropic drugs,”
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Bruce Levine says by the pharmaceutic industry numbers alone a certain percentage of the population will go crazy from psychiatry drugs-medicine effects on the brain.
So from day to day we will have dramatic episodes on the news of people losing their minds.
On the slow news we have people who do not have the will or discipline to keep their homes clean (called hoarders), and in both cases the general public calls for MORE psychiatry and their magical medicine to make “bad” people “good”.
IMO the (real) doctors have to tell the psychiatric medicine are just drugs, and people need a fully working brain to think and act correctly. (There is no magic pill.)
Act correctly with discipline, patience, sobriety, kindness, and other good things that an un-drugged brain might chose to do. A drugged brain will have difficulty acting disciplined (cleaning / personal hygiene), being patient, and being kind.
If you want to go to Evil, some evil people want those down and out, to stay down and out (on drugs called medicine) so not to challenge their authority. Those with the gold rule, so maybe without corporal punishment all they have is magical psychiatric medicines to control the (unruly) poor.
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You wrote “we do not have a right to die”
We do so have a right to die.
What depends is how fast the suicide is. A slow suicide IS allowed, while a quick one is not.
Slow suicide.
You can eat yourself to overweight and if you have someone to feed you keep eating. Right to keep eating
Drink (alcohol) to excess and keep going. Right to keep drinking
Smoke to excess and keep smoking. Right to keep smoking.
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“My sentence wasn’t grammatically correct,”
I do a Double negative also on occasion.
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Double negative to make a positive in the sentence.”it’s not uncommon for manipulative people to be working as mental health professionals.”
Translates to “It is common for manipulative people to be working as mental health professionals”
Who else would enjoy the job? What motivates people?
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Threatening to kill someone is against the law. I did not make the rules.
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If a person makes a (credible) threat to kill someone, what happens?
from internet….
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What Is a Criminal Threat?
A criminal threat involves one person threatening someone else with physical harm or death. To be convicted, the prosecution must prove:
the defendant communicated a threat of harm to another
the defendant intended that the communication be taken as a threat, and
the threat was credible and specific so as to place a person in fear of harm.
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So threatening to kill oneself has similar consequences and should first go through the legal system to establish the facts of the case.
A person can’t be free to threaten others or threaten to kill themselves without serious consequence.
This is in conflict with the “please talk about your feelings” advice on thinking suicidal. It puts the person who hears the threat in a difficult position.
Do the crime , do the time. Thinking suicidal should be put back in the closet, no sane being would consider it. Do any animals commit suicide?
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I also enjoy this song and it reminds me of the artist
John Lennon’s quote ” Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we’re being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I’m liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That’s what’s insane about it.”
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“But I don’t want to go among mad people,” Alice remarked.
“Oh, you can’t help that,” said the Cat: “we’re all mad here. I’m mad. You’re mad.”
“How do you know I’m mad?” said Alice.
“You must be,” said the Cat, “or you wouldn’t have come here.”
― Lewis Carroll, Alice in Wonderland
Do big brained animals know they are going to die one day? How do they handle that information?
Everything we do will turn into dirt/burn/dissolve shortly after we are dead.
The only thing we can leave behind ( in the stream of time) are our children, and I have no children.
What is crazy?
“It’s not crazy if it works!”
So take that, if someone/something is working, it is not crazy.
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What is stupid?
“It’s not stupid if it works!”
So take that, if someone/something is working, it is not stupid.
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“Formerly, when religion was strong and science weak, men mistook magic for medicine; now, when science is strong and religion weak, men mistake medicine for magic.” ~ Thomas Szasz, M.D.
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Steve wrote “It is baffling to me that they continue to get away with it.”
Pastor Martin Niemöller
“Then they got rid of the sick, the so-called incurables” The second group written in Niemöller’s source text.
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
When Pastor Niemöller was put in a concentration camp we wrote the year 1937; when the concentration camp was opened we wrote the year 1933, and the people who were put in the camps then were Communists. Who cared about them? We knew it, it was printed in the newspapers. Who raised their voice, maybe the Confessing Church? We thought: Communists, those opponents of religion, those enemies of Christians – “should I be my brother’s keeper?”
Then they got rid of the sick, the so-called incurables. – I remember a conversation I had with a person who claimed to be a Christian. He said: Perhaps it’s right, these incurably sick people just cost the state money, they are just a burden to themselves and to others. Isn’t it best for all concerned if they are taken out of the middle [of society]? — Only then did the church as such take note. Then we started talking, until our voices were again silenced in public. Can we say, we aren’t guilty/responsible? The persecution of the Jews, the way we treated the occupied countries, or the things in Greece, in Poland, in Czechoslovakia or in Holland, that were written in the newspapers. … I believe, we Confessing-Church-Christians have every reason to say: mea culpa, mea culpa!
We can talk ourselves out of it with the excuse that it would have cost me my head if I had spoken out.
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There used to be walls on every city to keep the barbarians out.
Today there are no walls.
Everyone must follow orders. The barbarians are inside the city.
This person hears ideas? He/she might not follow orders.
Twelve Monkeys film in my head.
James Cole:
“So now it’s not about the virus at all. It’s about following orders, doing what you’re told.”
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I have had “psychotic” delusions, but all is not black and white, you might not be entirely wrong…. or right.
Only when psychotic does a person have certainty. Any educated intelligent person has room in their mind for doubt.
That is the (my) fun and thrill of psychosis , full certainty of truth, of being right.
The delusion of that one is in a reality like the Truman Show movie, is not black and white.
The famous director Alfred Hitchcock said “What is drama, after all, but life with the dull bits cut out.”
Day by day we are producing our own film in our minds. No boring parts? That is a good film.
If you take/make dangerous decisions because you believe you ARE in a film (with no consequences), yes that is ???? stupid maybe?
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Ya, I know what SMI is. SMI is a 25 year shorter average lifespan from all the poisons (called medications) given (or forced on) to the mentally ill.
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“lots of psychiatric diagnoses”
Psychiatry destroys BOTH male and female, I don’t know why you think male patients do any better than female. That they JUST destroy the female patients is bull.
So there goes your misogyny, if they hate males just as well as female?
I would say psychiatry is a matriarchy not a patriarchy for they do not put people in prison but in a hospital. People are not guilty or responsible for their actions (something a mother would say) because they do not know any better and are not in their right mind.
“The insanity defense, also known as the mental disorder defense, is an affirmative defense by excuse in a criminal case, arguing that the defendant is not responsible for their actions due to an episodic or persistent psychiatric disease at the time of the criminal act.” While a patriarchy would put someone in prison and call it a prison.
“that you can only access welfare if you’ll take a psychiatric diagnosis and take the medication.”
in psychiatry people get help with psychiatry medicine, they’re not controlled or coerced with (no visible violence) poisons.<matriarchy
"He whips out his prescription pad, and he writes out a prescription for Prozac."
It is about selling legal drugs as "medicine" to a willing public. (on the voluntary side of psychiatry)
Billions and billions of dollars.
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That is hilarious , that he thinks lithium poisoning is a good thing. I’ve know so many people with failed organs from taking that poison.
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in the article
“Haldol was supplanted by a new generation of ‘antipsychotics,’ though it remains a drug of choice in emergency rooms”
I used to read the thoughts of emergency room workers on the blog world, and they believe you can NOT give an overdose of Haldol, as no science has reported it to them as being possible. While anecdotally you can read of them giving uncooperative prisoner/patients dose after dose. If the patient dies, they blame it on the patients illegal drug use. Was it the illegal drug? No one will ever know.
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You can not write your argument for “feeling suicidal” coherently . First there is a feeling which we both agree. Second is the action. If feeling hungry you can find/ make some food. If feeling thirsty you can find and drink some water. You can not feel the future action of “finding/making some food” you can not feel the future action of “finding/drinking some water” . There IS a step between a feeling and an action.
Suicide is an action, not a feeling.
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Sorry I do not believe feelings can be suicidal. Suicide is an complex action. You are misnaming a feeling.
Some feelings are hunger and tired and thirsty. There are possible actions to take if you feel hungry, tired or thirsty.
To say you or other people are feeling suicidal is a lie and a mistake that makes people think there is no way out.
If you listen carefully to professionals talk/write about suicide, they know this truth and say “if you are thinking suicidal” not feeling.
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I’m not catholic but I believe the priests can forgive your mistakes or sins (some times you can bribe them with money in the case of a divorce), while psychiatry writes your mistakes or sins down on paper, never to be forgotten. Humans did not have cheap paper until mass production so I don’t know if the Catholic church would have used this device given the chance. In psychiatry Sins/mistakes are forgiven if you take/worship the holy molecules of science, but they are still written down and you may sin again just like you did in the past. Look its written down, so its proof. Squiggly black marks on a white substance…What isn’t fallible?
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If you know anything about the metal lead, you know millions have been poisoned by leaded gasoline. So it would have been interesting to know if anyone had the information of the blood lead levels in all these children. As if you have lead in you, your brain, it reduces your intelligence.
Toxic legacy of leaded gasoline https://youtu.be/YmJLPuNFjmA
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I don’t understand why so many people use the word “medications” when it is just drugs. Please write the word “psychiatric “, if you are going to write medications. “Psychiatric medications” to be specific because they are not medicines in the traditional penicillin and insulin kind of medicine.
Drugs vs medicine
Whats the correct dose? arbitrary with no measurement tools.
When does it end? never, with no measurement tools.
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Do not throw all brain imaging out, as some can prove brain damage and the worsening of brain function. (From WHAT?) Autopsy can prove brain changes to the dopamine transmit-receive functions.
A worsening of brain function would likely mean a stupider “patient” which is the opposite of what the psychiatrist claims they want.
The psychiatrist claims they want the patient to have an insight into their illness.
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Found one video of Szasz “Albert Ellis and Thomas Szasz Debate Mental Illness: Primal Scream Therapy” https://youtu.be/l4AwFIVsPE8?t=73
Freedom to worship what you want to worship, but most everyone , lawyers and judges believe the psychiatric drugs are in FACT, medicines.
I blame all the other legitimate (physical science) doctors who go along with psychiatry, but many doctors have severe sadness themselves and seek/take the magical pills of psychiatry.
The planets destruction by the hands of mankind will sort it out one day.
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Thank you for the work you have done Phil.
I am just a survivor of psychiatry.
3) “Thirdly, we need to use every opportunity to educate”
Disagree
They have all the answers, all the power and should not be spoken to.
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I second this comment that psychiatry is a religion. Thomas Szasz has said as much if you read between the lines of the writings. Why Szasz did not like “antipsychiatry” the same way you can be anti-christian or anti-jewish. People can choose to worship the holy molecules of psychiatry or not.
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I remember the death of Else Tindle madinamerica.com/2016/03/73830/
An application for an SOAD was submitted on February 23, 2015, by psychiatrist Dr Eugene van Rheede van Oudtshoorn.
However, no SOAD had been appointed by the time Dr van Rheede referred Miss Tindle for ECT,
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Informed consent starts with facts like the brain uses 0.000001 volts and they administer up to 400 volts to get a seizure. The professionals call the voltage small and get away with the lie. Why do other professionals not call them on the lie of small?
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We live in different universes.
In my prison for the last twenty years or so they have had drugs that melt on contact with the patients tongue and saliva , so you can not cheek them. Before the newer delivery system they would put the drugs in a drink in the size of a small shot glass, with a liquid drink so the “patient” could not cheek the drug.
And the food was never drugged because one patient could give their food to another patient, or the food could be taken/stolen by another patient.
The only antidote to the drugs I know of is water. Drinking huge amounts of water. An action/behaviour which they also have named a mental illness.
The water fountain only gave out a tiny trickle of water and was useless and disgusting. The number one thing you need is a container that can hold a large amount of water, so you know how much you have drunk. You do not want to over consume water, you can die from that as well.
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I found the link of millions killed, go to about 2:30 to hear/see the discussion.
RW says maybe 20 million at 4:30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vkRt46QMms
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In this thread the comment “The Control Drug Fluphenazine killed (kills) more ‘Psychiatric Patients’ than Hitler” is disputed by Joanna Badura.
The increased mortality rate/shorter life of the mentally ill is known and yet is ignored, does back this claim up.
The math of millions of people on the drugs (all psychiatric drugs) does prove that the slow euthanasia has a higher death toll(total) than the five years of Hitlers rule. There was a YouTube video of professionals discussing the math of millions killed, but I can’t find it at the moment. (and this comment might not be printed if I put the link in.)
“Formerly, when religion was strong and science weak, men mistook magic for medicine; now, when science is strong and religion weak, men mistake medicine for magic.” Szasz.
Billion dollars a year are being made by Pharma company and the deaths are written off as natural causes, because both doctors prescribe the drugs and doctors analyze the cause of deaths.
Planned VS unplanned doesn’t matter does it?
The planet warming too fast for species to cope and world ecosystem failing will shortly bring an end to the matter.
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On YouTube there are some videos on the the anatomy of the brain and a few point out where “schizophrenia” is located in the brain. The neurologist doctors do not respond to comments, and continue teaching falsehoods.
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Besides brain damage from a voltage thousands of times of what a “normal” brain runs on.
The heart can stop from ECT.
Imagine you as a doctor want to administer medicine after the heart stops, how will it travel through the body? The medicine can not leave the site you injected it into, such as the arm because there is no pulse.
Google “asystole in ECT”, they treat it like it is nothing. “In all, 65.8% of patients experienced asystole at some time during their course of ECT. “
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The reporter wrote
“Perhaps I’m looking at this wrong. Maybe the anguished screams that once rang through these buildings will be exorcized by the delighted shrieks of Halloween revelers. Maybe the joy and laughter will wipe the walls clean of the agony that still clings to them.
But as someone who heard the screams when they were real, I just can’t get there. ”
The patients had the luxury of screaming? They were lucky to be able and allowed to scream in my opinion/experience.
It is far worse to be not allowed or to be unable to scream by the psychiatric “medications” that make the observer happy. What crime did I commit again? (to deserve such treatment) There was a trial?
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A psychiatrist saying “You will get sick again.” ( you need me because you need legal drugs)
Is like saying you are going to break your leg again, so you have to wear a cast for the rest of your life. It is bullsh$t. I will not break my leg, though I admit the possibility exists.
In degrees of sickness, how sick will I get? There won’t only be good days ahead, but bad days? What makes me sick? How do psychiatric drugs help?
The feeling of Fear make me sick and the fear of being hospitalized-jailed, and drugged-poisoned can be a feedback loop.
As I now have no fear of being hospitalized-jailed, and drugged-poisoned there is no feedback loop.
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There is some hope of the fraud getting caught.
https://www.madinamerica.com/2021/06/stanford-psychiatrist-questions-use-neuroimaging-drug-development/
Stanford Psychiatrist Questions Use of Neuroimaging in Drug Development
Psychiatrist Alan Schatzberg claims that current neuroimaging techniques for assessing psychiatric drug effectiveness may be inadequate.
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I will miss Don Weitz.
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You wrote “nothing is going to stop this train.”
There is some hope of genuine science (neurology) stopping the prescribing of psychiatric drugs.
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If the psychiatrist do not have medicines to give to (or force onto) their patients, then they are not doctors are they?
To dmschlom
Everyone is for psychiatry for the fear of the future. The patient is continually drugged for fear of the future. Everyone knows there is no chemical imbalance, virus or bacteria. Controlling the other person but how?
Insane actions have been with mankind since the start of time and psychiatry and its drugs is the panacea.
Historical events
Kill your son because of voices . Binding of Isaac https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binding_of_Isaac
Kill your wife in anger . Labours of Hercules https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labours_of_Hercules
Kill your brother .Cain https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cain
Today all taken care of by magical pills that make people “good” instead of “bad”.
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More drugs…
Using Imaging to Look at Changes in the Brain
Interview of Dr. Nancy C. Andreasen
Q. WHAT ARE THE POLICY IMPLICATIONS OF THIS FINDING?
A. ….Implication 2: we need to find other drugs that work on other systems and parts of the brain.
https://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/16/health/research/16conv.html
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I do not have the technical expertise to put this data into program that can extrapolate the results of the drugging in a few years.
More drugs only lead to more drugs, but that IS what drug dealers sell.
The people not making money from not selling drugs need to show the governments (that is paying for a lot of the drugs) the stats on the increasing rates of mental illness and that the drugs are not working as claimed. But who has the money to lobby the government?
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take a “urine test”.
Numerous people have lost their kidney, as in the kidney dies, from the lithium “medicine”. If a real doctor wants to see if your kidneys are functioning properly, you should let them and give them a urine sample if they request it.
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I wonder if he did , or was forced to do a cold turkey withdrawal from the psych drugs? As those that issue the drugs delusionally think there are no withdrawal effects.
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Kendra wrote in the article “He had gained 30 pounds and could barely speak.” on the drugs.
With little ability to behave psychotic, the patient isn’t psychotic, thinks the quack doctor.
Frog goes deaf story
A scientist is working in the lab with a frog. He has trained it to respond to simple verbal commands and wants to observe its ability to jump after it has lost one or more of its limbs. He starts by saying, “ok frog, jump.” The frog quickly does a small hop. The scientist notes, “frog jumps easily.”
The scientist then cuts off one of its legs and says “ok frog, jump.” The frog again hops, but with a bit of difficulty. The scientist notes, “frog with 3 legs still able to jump.”
The scientist cuts off another leg and says “ok frog, jump.” The frog stumbles awkwardly but is still able to do a small hop. The scientist notes, “frog with 2 legs able to hop a bit.”
Then he cuts off the third leg and repeats the command. The frog pushes with its remaining leg, trying to hop, and finally propels itself forward a bit. The scientist notes, “frog with one leg unable to jump fully, but can move forward.”
The scientist then cuts off its last leg and says “ok frog, jump.” The frog does nothing. The scientist repeats his command but the frog still does nothing. “Jump frog, jump!” But the frog doesn’t move.
The scientist notes, “frog with no legs goes deaf.”
Patient on anti-psychotics , without symptoms has been successfully treated.
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You wrote “Everybody needs to “walk out” of psychiatry.”
I ask the SMI patients entertaining the thought, to not forget where the money comes from to pay the rent and food bills. BEFORE you walk out.
You do not want to be homeless.
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“There are no US national laws on ECT leaving individual state governments to regulate treatment. Whereas some states have detailed restrictions on use, other states have no regulation at all. This variation applies to multiple areas of ECT practice, including who can receive ECT, who can provide informed consent, who can prescribe or perform ECT, and what administrative requirements (eg, fees, reporting) must be met by ECT practitioners. Knowledge of these state laws will help providers not only to be aware of their own state’s regulations, but also to have a general awareness of what other states mandate for better patient care and utilization of ECT. ” https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28991068/
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here in Canada Ativan given/forced on patients.
quote from article “”That was my first question when I got to the hot zone,” she said. “Where is the oxygen?”
Instead, she said, nurses were given a protocol to follow, which involved administering morphine and lorazepam — commonly known as Ativan — to calm the patient down.
Title “No oxygen or running water in hot zone at worst-hit long-term care home in Quebec, inquest hears”
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/chsld-sainte-dorothee-coroners-inquest-1.6068266
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Alternate title “Quack doctor does not want science to put him out of a job”
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Today in my news-feed regarding adding rather than subtracting.
“Less is more: Why our brains struggle to subtract” https://youtu.be/1y32OpI2_LM
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Right Steve. That day I was thinking specifically of city employee’s who do not perform there job. The public is paying the city workers when they pay their taxes, the public has the problem ( of no services).
Then I carried it over to psychiatry. What is a psychiatrists, or psychiatries motivation to change? When their (shrinks) common belief in the example of when someone is ill , the patients needs more psychiatric drugs, not less.
from https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/aurora_shooting
“He did tell Fenton the medication hadn’t helped his obsessive thoughts. She doubled the dose of sertraline from 50mg to 100mg. “
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I was just thinking the other day “What is their motivation to change?”
Who has the problem? Who is paying for all this failure?
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Remember to question who is giving you advice.
How is their withdrawal going? Why take their advice?
Keep a notebook/logbook written in your own hand of your journey like a sea fairing captain would. This is the only way to learn from your mistakes and what works.
If you successfully withdraw, I am / you are , a threat to their ( the mass population of taking drugs) religion, and they don’t like it.
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They can not hide the bodies they are responsible for. https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/map/euthanasia-centers-germany-1940-1945
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https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/9150190-if-you-can-convince-the-lowest-white-man-he-s-better
“If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.”― Lyndon B. Johnson
If you(the psychiatrist) can convince the lowest man he’s better than the best schizo/bipolar/whatever, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.
Looking down on the mental patient is enjoyed by all “normal” people, maybe the last prejudice.
Szasz video https://youtu.be/5xstBU83rbI?t=41
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truth793 wrote “I have no sympathy for someone who thinks treatment consists solely in prescribing drugs”
Without drugs (renamed medicines) you can no longer claim psychiatry is a medicinal treatment , it is a religious/moral treatment if it only uses words/talking/ communication.
People usually get to chose what religion to follow/worship.
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Who would listen to this call for more money to study behaviours?
Szasz “Confusing behaviours…. with diseases” https://www.dailymotion.com/video/xpiph6
“funding to research a fairly homogeneous population with a common ancestry” looking for biological evidence, when we know there is no evidence in the DNA or whatever. The second there is evidence of “mental illness” it is no longer mental illness but physical illness.
People who are poor have bad nutrition, bad physical effects on their brain, body and soul.
The guy is talking about poverty not mental illness. Poverty needs to be studied? What BS.
“argues that mental health research is inequitably distributed across the globe.” You can only look after your own country. People need clean water and food more than mental health services. He is asking for a WHO or NATO and the United Nations mental health police?
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okay, it is fixed now.
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A typo on the HTML links, “Letters to the editor from Joanne Moncrieff, and David Taylor/Mark Horowitz.” are reversed, as in each hotlink goes to the other.
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I had a broken computer and stuck a broken post it note on it to remind me to fix it. Fixed the computer but forgot to remove the note. The next person observing the computer thought it was broken because of the old label on it. The computer worked fine, but the person thought it was broken because of a label.
Then you get to the human factor , if the person believes they are broken/defective from the past judgement. Léolo – fight scene https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMgWZ7PUrRY
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You should not support The Onion, by this extra publicity, for the articles/video on schizophrenia it has published.
https://politics.theonion.com/in-the-know-is-the-government-spying-on-paranoid-schiz-1819594659
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In the religion of psychiatry they write down the persons confession, so it can never be forgotten. Will the confession be forgiven? If you worship and consume the holy molecules of science, (medication compliant) you will be forgiven.
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“Why does asking for emotional support”
The person is not asking for emotional support , the person is threatening to hurt or kill someone. If the police are aware of someone threatening to hurt or kill someone their job is to intervene.
The dark comedy is when the police arrive to help, very often the kill the person they are supposed to protect/serve/save.
Don’t threaten to hurt or kill anyone and you wont get into trouble.
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I write with a pen, then when/if you re-read the words you know for certain they are yours.
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TD brain damage produces involuntary movements and behavior that makes a person look crazy to “normal” people. The charlatans want to promote the belief the crazy person is a real thing, a thing that would exist without a psychiatrist and people jerking around does sell the need for a doctor. but the doctor created the problem shhh shhh now.
Narcissism was recently invented and it does describe psychiatry
4 traits
1. They will never apologize. I am helping you! Don’t you want help?
2. They will never assume responsibility of their faults. This article on psych drugs effects , etc
3. They will never be introspective. Is the patient really ill? Am I helping the patient? Am I a doctor?
4. They will never be forgiving. The patient will always be mentally ill or temporarily in remission.
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I am surprised this comment was allowed by the censors. I will attempt to back it up with online articles
Nazis increased the likelihood of death and decreased the likelihood to have children in their enemies.
Death: increased chance of
“By Marilyn Elias, USA TODAY
Adults with serious mental illness treated in public systems die about 25 years earlier than Americans overall, a gap that’s widened since the early ’90s when major mental disorders cut life spans by 10 to 15 years, according to a report due Monday. ”
https://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/health/2007-05-03-mental-illness_N.htm
Reproduction: having children
Sexual side effects of pharmacological treatment of psychiatric diseases
“there is consistent evidence to suggest that a large number of psychiatric medications adversely affect one or more of the three phases of normal sexual response: desire, arousal, and orgasm. ”
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20668442/
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Human behaviour ( like animal behaviour) is driven by genes in a way, the urge to reproduce. If the animal or human doesn’t have the behaviour, you know the results, they don’t have offspring.
“The Contest” is the 51st episode of the NBC sitcom Seinfeld.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGhg-htVnJ0
seinfeldscripts.com/TheContest.htm
GEORGE: Oh boy..
JERRY: What are we doing here..?
GEORGE: ..Oh boy.
JERRY: This is ridiculous.
GEORGE: Do you believe this? We’re fighting. We’re fighting.
JERRY: I haven’t been myself lately. I’ve been snapping at everybody.
GEORGE: Me too. I’ve been yelling at strangers on the street.
REMEMBERING MASTURBATORY INSANITY
http://www.szasz.com/iol8.html
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Szasz said and wrote that choices are not in the DNA. People make choices to behave good or badly.
https://youtu.be/Qj7GmeSAxXo?t=102
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I LOL’ed at the beginning.
“Do you know how you got here?” I had no idea how any of us got here. Big Bang? Evolution? I shrugged again.
Because it was true for myself as well. They are speaking literally , and you are thinking in another way like figuratively, or too deep.
Movie Phenomenon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHDSNs9wBpU
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alcohol for alcohol addiction
“Participants also significantly reduce their alcohol consumption and learn a sense of community.” https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/managed-alcohol-programs-canada-australia-1.3921655
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“Don’t the Iranians have enough misery” you are writing like there is someone watching out for the people, there isn’t. Just like there is no one watching out for the planet.
Selling legal drugs is expanding is all. People want the drugs( named medicine) and those that don’t want or approve of medicine are Neanderthals. it is a perfect system, if it wasn’t perfect it would/could not continue to exist.
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I agree with you streetphotobeing, another reference source
Murderous Science: Elimination by Scientific Selection of Jews, Gypsies, and Others, Germany 1933-1945 https://books.google.ca/books/about/Murderous_science.html?id=pH9uAAAAIAAJ&redir_esc=y&hl=en
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I too can ” look back on what I’ve been through with anger.”
and this anger at the injustice can be named “psychosis” by those who claim to be helping with “medicine”.
So I must forgive , but not forget, and be grateful for what I still have.
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Thank you Robert Whitaker for continuing to fight to show the evidence of the effectiveness of the psychiatric drugs over time.
Yes the psychiatric medications used to be called neuroleptics, and they should be continued to called neuroleptics because if you personally have not been forced to, coerced to, or willingly have taken the drugs, you do not know the effects. The term “Anti-psychotic” medicine makes the “chemical lobotomy” palatable to the person who has not taken the drug.
Advice to the recovering schizophrenic in regards to the chart “Psychotic symptoms in schizophrenia” 23% VS 79%. What is psychotic? It means different things to different people. Today we have digital cameras. Get one and photograph your psychotic symptoms.
It is not surprising to me that being tied up for 15 years makes it unlikely to recover. A person needs a fully operating brain for a mind to work.
And they want the frog to work after they cut off its legs? https://lowres.cartooncollections.com/animals-amphibians-frogs-frog_s_legs-restaurants-animals-NL700109_low.jpg
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You wrote “no one knows that the damages are from chemicals do they. “?
Yes the invisible beating that can not be proven as a violent act. When they change the name of chemical/drug to “medicine” , then no one can question the treatment. What was/is the illness the medicines are prescribed for again? What proof is there of an illness? Who is being disturbed?
You want to deprive a child of medicine? You must be ill.
You also wrote “I do hope that eventually psychiatry becomes part of an ugly history”
The trouble is those that drug children ( both parent and psychiatrist), and those that have invested a lifetime into a chemical solution to “wrong” behaviour will not want to admit they are wrong about the drugs.
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Thanks Sam
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At the end of the article, the comments of the prison workers, pretending to work in a hospital is something to see.
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You wrote “By measuring that some neurotransmitter levels were lowered, or raised by the drugs, it was concluded that everything the people taking these drugs had been going through was caused by too much, or too little of the neurotransmitter.”
This “measuring” has never occurred. Those in power designated the drugs as medication. Robert Whitaker has reported the cadaver studies on the brain of those who took/were forced to take the drugs. https://robertwhitakerbooks.com/anatomy-of-an-epidemic/antipsychoticsschizophrenia/
Secondly you wrote “why is it important to believe in a mental illness?”
People used to sin before “mental illness” was invented. You do not have to believe or not believe in sin for the behavior to exist.
Change it to “why is it important to believe in a sin?”
Szasz wrote “In our fervor to medicalize morals, we have transformed every sin but
one into sickness. Anger(5), gluttony(2), lust(1), pride(7), sloth(4) are all the symptoms
of mental diseases. Only lacking compassion (kindness) is still a sin.”
Vice and Virtue
1 Lust Chastity
2 Gluttony Temperance
3 Greed Charity
4 Sloth Diligence
5 Wrath Patience
6 Envy Kindness
7 Pride Humility
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If your forest is on fire, you should wait as long as possible before putting the fire out, right? The forest will grow back? It might not.
In coffee withdrawal , similar brain receptors “caffeine withdrawal usually lasts at least two to nine days”
and in the brain shrinking study https://www.nature.com/news/2010/100606/full/news.2010.281.html
“Within a day, volunteers’ brains returned to almost their original size as the effects of the single haloperidol dose subsided. ”
I must concede alcohol addiction might have to be a slow withdrawal. https://www.healthline.com/health/alcoholism/withdrawal#symptoms (they prescribe more drugs, different drugs for the absence of the drug alcohol)
“The symptoms may worsen over two to three days, and some milder symptoms may persist for weeks in some people. “
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I am glad for the scientific evidence, the more the better. But it is like stating the sky is the color blue usually, taking drugs that shrink the brain and a infection of COVID19 at the same time is bad. https://www.nature.com/news/2011/110207/full/news.2011.75.html
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I LOL’ed at “Kolker doesn’t get around to dropping this bombshell until page 239 of his book,”
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Philip, Thanks for the criticism . Thanks for the (imaginary) conversation of the first meeting.
“Patient”: Why am I here?
Psychiatrist: Because you are experiencing auditory hallucinations, paranoid delusions, and disordered thinking.
It is a prison.
“Patient”: The only distress I’m feeling is because you’re keeping me locked up in this place.
If you, the patient gets angry ( the normal response) then you, the patient, need more drugs they call medication.
The system is perfect, if it wasn’t perfect it wouldn’t exist.
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The DEVIL made me do it or THE CHEMICALS made me do it.
a brain misfiring? what is its idle speed? bad gas? what about the transmission?
NSFW ? Photos of chemicals affecting the brain in animals, but magically this chemical reaction doesn’t happen in humans. http://amazingworldofpics.blogspot.com/2010/03/animals-humping-wrong-animal.html
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Sorry the link doesn’t work. It works for me. Just a joke.
Half of the joke is the delivery , so you have to know how Carlin did his stand up.
Carlin was saying “I don’t have pet peeves ( pause) , I have major psychotic **** hatreds!” audience laughs. another link https://www.quotes.net/mquote/35860
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George Carlin on the word “psychotic” image/quote https://9gag.com/gag/aV3AgB2
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Here is a story for you on a blind person.
“One explanation, that B.T. was “malingering,” or lying about her disability, was disproved by an EEG test. When B.T. was in her two blind states, her brain showed none of the electrical responses to visual stimuli that sighted people would display — even though B.T.’s eyes were open and she was looking right at them.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/11/24/the-blind-woman-who-switched-personalities-and-could-suddenly-see/
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To MSIDHU who wrote”down-side to medications we have today, like in other aspects of medicine treating cancer, end stage renal disease”
Choices versus diseases….
Dr. Thomas Szasz (1920-2012) wrote
“In physics the same laws are used to explain why airplanes fly and why they crash. In medicine the same principles are used to explain why people live and why they die. In psychiatry, however, one set of rules is used to explain sane behavior and another set of rules is used to explain insane behavior: sane behavior is attributed to reasons (choices), insane behavior to causes (diseases).”
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Great response Steve McCrea, thanks for responding to “theloniusmonk”.
Those afraid that some one will take their drugs away, or afraid the chemical restraints placed on a family member might be removed , will defend the drugs as “medicine”.
For a brain shrinkage positive web link , where a lobotomy is good for your brain “But decreasing brain volume could also be responsible for the beneficial effects of the drugs.” https://www.nature.com/news/2011/110207/full/news.2011.75.html
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UPDATE CBS News has retracted their story that they knew each other. IF they had known each other and had grievances between them, those grievances could have been a factor for motivation. I’m sorry I trusted CBS news.
Who judges who? I don’t know. In the past it was whoever had the best gun and army to enforce the King/Queens law. http://www.laborarts.org/collections/item.cfm?itemid=428
If precious metals are no longer precious metals, as in, they have no value or power , then the pyramid has no top, no way to pay or motivate those under them.
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On the CBS news tonight it was reveled the police officer Derek Chauvin knew George Floyd , so that changes the murder from blind racism to something else. IMO obviously all officers should pass some kind of psychology test to indicate that they are not racist. That this test does not exist, or that the existing test let police officer Derek Chauvin become an officer is wrong.
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Depending on the amount of psychiatric drugs , saying patients-prisoners should exercise, is like telling a person with visible physical restraint of chains and shackles to jump and exercise. They are the insane ones , but they have the power. https://books.google.ca/books?id=YK7CBQAAQBAJ&lpg=PA147&ots=YAAe9Fr0P1&dq=chemical%20straitjacket&pg=PA147#v=onepage&q=chemical%20straitjacket&f=false
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Dr. Jeffrey Steinberg in a video at time index 03:18 of 04:10 schizophrenia is about to be found in the genome . LOL. What are they going to do when it can not be found?
Fictional word of psychotic is used in the video. People are mistaken, people are stupid, people are angry.
They are never going to admit schizophrenia doesn’t exist as a disease. Behaviour is not a disease. “In psychiatry, we use one set of laws to explain sane behaviour, which we attribute to reasons (choices), and another set of laws to explain insane behaviour, which we attribute to causes (diseases).” Szasz
https://www.thedoctorstv.com/videos/downsides-to-genetic-screening-traits-unborn-babies
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Another factor is the persons teeth. Chewing food lets you get nutrition. My teeth are in bad shape, how about yours?
“Many psychoactive medications cause dry mouth, which makes teeth much more prone to decay,”
If you can’t get out of bed from the psychiatric medication, you also will be unlikely to take care of your teeth.
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From the article NIMH Director Joshua Gordon ” Imagine if you had schizophrenia—that concern or suspicion could turn into frank paranoia.”
So many people believe schizophrenia is a real disease.
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You apparently do not know the Catch 22. If you are sane enough to seek help it means you are too sane and do NOT need help. Only those who have lack of insight and can not believe/conceive themselves as wrong(ill) need “help”. You were merely neurotic and they can only treat the psychotic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catch-22_(logic)
Szasz “Doubt is to certainty as neurosis is to psychosis. The neurotic is in doubt and has fears about persons and things; the psychotic has convictions and makes claims about them. In short, the neurotic has problems, the psychotic has solutions.
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selective breeding of the population for 50 years.
“D. K. Belyaev in Novosibirik, Siberia….selection for specific behaviours such as tameness … after relatively few generations, the foxes were increasingly tame and docile,”
They put “I dream of jeannie” reruns back on TV here, and the psychiatrist is portrayed as an idiot. Was this a PR stunt to get people to trust shrinks again after WW2?
Like the TV show Hogans Heroes is supposed to make us forget the nazis ?
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asylums are proven not to work when the patient can not complain. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPBhuaxpL90
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Children by definition can not be mentally ill, only adults are expected to be able to control themselves ( in the battle between emotions VS intellect).
Dr. Szasz “the child mental patient is doubly disfranchised ”
said page 68 https://books.google.ca/books?id=2pduB22E43oC&lpg=PA68&dq=szasz%20psychiatric%20rape&pg=PA68#v=onepage&q=szasz%20psychiatric%20age%20of%20consent&f=false
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I knew this song as a young teen.
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The drugs are just non-visible ropes and straitjackets. Everyone has forgotten how the mentally ill were treated before drugs.
Are you following orders? Then you wont get drugged.
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Regarding ” I have not had to reveal my psychiatric condition to my employers.”
Do not ever reveal your psychiatric history or whatever.
The “normal” person fears the future and fears the “mentally ill” that is why they have so much faith ( religion) in the drugs they call medicine.
If confronted on their understanding of “mental illness” it is soon obvious they have cognitive dissonance on the subject, and NO ONE wants this pointed out.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance
If you are rich as Howard Hughes was, then you can talk openly about mental illness.
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To Robert Whitaker: Thanks for the remarks of the quality of the NYT obituary of Bonnie Burstow.
Totally bizarre to quote an opponent of someone in their obit.
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Thanks Slayer for the reminder that the label is an opinion.
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Thank you Robert for this analysis.
I would add the drugs sexual effects on the brains D2 receptors has not been reported/studied. Numerous rat brain studies show haloperidol and clozapine stop male sexual behaviour.
Modulation of Dopaminergic Pathways to Treat Erectile Dysfunction.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27541930
switched to
Modulation of Dopaminergic Pathways to Create Erectile Dysfunction.
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Two films with fathers who might not have been the best, 1 (fiction) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shine_(film)
and 2 the real https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crumb_(film) with 2 out of 3 “schizophrenic” brothers.
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There is no antipsychotic drug because there is no psychotic molecule, virus bacteria. This is a con game with acronyms to make it seem legitimate. When will the house of cards collapse? Pretty soon I think.
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Thanks for responding Rachel. I would add that my parents are invested in the description of schizophrenia, as if it is wrong it means they have betrayed me (their child) for the years past, and they could not have done that could they? Who would betray their child? It is not possible….
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Once labelled , you can not be unlabelled . I challenge you to find people who have had their mental illness diagnosis removed. Your/their illness may be in remission and at the present time, you/they may be “stable”.
Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall,
Humpty Dumpty had a great fall;
All the King’s horses
And all the King’s men,
Couldn’t put Humpty together again.
What is important is functionality, how well you can function.
What is functional? If you don’t know, then that is half the problem. Magic pills are not going to educate anyone magically. Psychiatrists who complain of lack of insight (in their patient) while making their patients stupid are the the insane ones.
A psychiatric diagnosis is a blessing or a curse.
From the movie “Office Space” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_Space
Looking at the office…
PETER “What if we’re still doing this when we’re 50?” (said in horror)
SAMIR “It could be nice to have that kind of job security.”
With severe Mental Illness you can’t get fired from your “job” as a patient, so you do have income security.
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oldhead, Psychiatry can not be abolished, like the religious group of Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism can not be abolished. People willingly worship psychiatry and this worship can not be stopped.
oldhead people want and need drugs. Drugs are the number one reason for psychiatry in my opinion. People need a legal way of getting drugs for themselves, or for forcing the drugs on others to control them. Only psychiatry can legitimize the consumption of drugs.
license to get alcohol during prohibition. https://images.app.goo.gl/dPVe14WqHzyPtPsP6
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If you are looking for more HORROR, you can look at a medical paper from 1961 on targeting the deep brain.
While today the neurosurgeon / psychiatrist is looking at the reptilian brain in the human brain or the root core of the brain, where the emotions are thought to be, back in 1961 they were destroying/ stimulating the thinking part of the brain the frontal lobe.
I did not know when lobotomy was abandoned, but from Wikipedia “Doctors in the Soviet Union concluded that the procedure was “contrary to the principles of humanity” and “‘through lobotomy’ an insane person is changed into an idiot.” By the 1970s, numerous countries had banned the procedure as had several US states.”
The medical paper of horror, https://jnnp.bmj.com/content/jnnp/24/4/353.full.pdf
or if they erase it
https://web.archive.org/web/20191115155138/https://jnnp.bmj.com/content/jnnp/24/4/353.full.pdf
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The con game of naming drugs as “medicine” is evident in this report of Whitaker and Blumke.
Thank you for the work of accumulating all the evidence and putting it together.
Hopefully the science will not be overlooked by those paying the bills. Not getting what they are paying for.
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Meds you write. The drugs are not medications. There is no measurable illness the drugs are affecting. Should the dose be 4mg or 100 mg? The decision is totally arbitrary. There is no science to back up the claim the drugs are medicine as there are no brain chemical (imbalance) tests. A comparison is the thickness of the rope binding the person like a 4 piece stranded rope or a 100 stranded rope or the different types of metal that can be used in handcuffs. And people willingly go along with this idea of drugs as medicine.
When is the stop date to the medicine? When is the stop day of the drug? Human behavior, a human’s choice to do/perform evil or good is not a medical problem.
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As the scientists are not reporting the DBS failures, we have to list and publish them.
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1) Deep Brain stimulation on two anorexia women https://ca.news.yahoo.com/twin-sisters-debilitating-ocd-dead-apparent-suicide-pact-194855023.html
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2) Chantal Remeny alive in 2006 given DBS
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/the-on-switch/article18161067/
Chantal Remeny dead in 2009
http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/thestar/obituary.aspx?n=chantal-remeny&pid=125450309
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3) A woman named Sheila Cook was claimed to have had successful DBS, but in the long term it did not work. When the DBS failed she willingly(?) received a precise Lobotomy /Anterior Cingulotomy . http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/8279576/British-woman-cured-of-deep-depression-by-pioneering-surgery.html
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“who is helping people to understand that the drugs they take may be too many?”
Drugs? They are not drugs they are (magical) medications that can only do good because a doctor prescribed them.
Too many(much)? People can not take too much of the God they worship. Don’t you want to be more like a perfect God?
“shouldn’t she have figured out” What the FORK??? how do you figure something out without the thing that does the figuring?
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“But if you don’t take the psychiatric drugs you will be-come mentally ill ” they say.The Paradox power of psychiatry , my icon of one hand drawing the other (M.C. Escher). The only person who can leave the equation is the “patient”. The physical drug addiction AND society belief in magical psychiatric drugs makes it extremely difficult.
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The original “first they came for” by Martin Niemöller January 1946 does have the mentally ill named “Then they got rid of the sick, the so-called incurables.” http://marcuse.faculty.history.ucsb.edu/niem.htm
I am sorry your mother Gail Susan Harris only made it to the age of 46. With those in power assigning her death to natural causes, like https://www.madinamerica.com/2014/02/uk-mans-death-medication-side-effects-ruled-natural-causes/
The only difference between the sane and the insane is that the sane have the power to lock up the insane.
Hunter S. Thompson
The “long term recovery rates for the schizophrenic patient” can be translated to “long term recovery rates for the Communist” why would a communist work for the authority that would jail , poison or kill him/her?
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I am sorry for the misunderstanding . No I did not mean that people in distress are evil. I was looking at the end of your writing when you wrote
“those who commit mass shooting or any other hideous crime, do suffer from a sick mind. ”
The ability to leave a relationship or location would relieve the distress in many people. Most are bound by lack of money/income.
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I do not like the idea or term “sick mind” as it implies a medical problem that a doctor might attempt a remedy.
People can’t say the word “evil”, can’t say people chose to be evil, they have to be “sick”.
It can’t be a choice to do Evil, that’s not possible. Everyone is good!
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It is a placebo device. As a placebo device , I think it is better than the psychiatric drugs that do damage to the brain.
The amount of voltage/current electricity used in these devices can not reach the brain. https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/04/cadaver-study-casts-doubts-how-zapping-brain-may-boost-mood-relieve-pain
If you do have a high enough voltage/current to reach the brain, it becomes painful and you have to use anesthesia.
It is all quackery to say people and children’s choices are not their choices.
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There are people who defend the religion (that isn’t a religion. HOW DARE YOU SAY IT IS A RELIGION) of the worship of the holy molecules of science that can only do good things to people.
When in fact the molecules, the drugs can hurt people as well as “help” people.
“Cooper … there’s a stigma for people actually seeking medical help for something that could save their life.”
This person can not conceive that the psychiatric drugs ( renamed medications) could END and damage peoples lives.
Magic chemicals https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twhvtzd6gXA
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Found a much better video recording put a y outube.com/watch?v=55JVdN1kRBY
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From the article “When I was suicidal, content about suicide was soothing for me. ”
In music
Just Want To See – Cowboy Junkies outube.com/watch?v=a4jq5qbLgAg
I don’t want to be no patch on no quilt
(I just want to see . . . )
Tear-stained stitching linking memories to guilt
(I just want to see . . . )
I don’t want to be no hair on no wall
(I just want to see . . . )
Blood-stained note saying ***k you all
(I just want to see what kills me)
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You wrote “I think the majority of “mental health” workers may actually suffer from doublethink”
No they do NOT suffer from it, they make a living from the trick. They are fully functional. No one is going to stop them. They pay their bills with the paycheck they receive.
A person is either nonfunctional or functional , there is no mental illness.
If some one is too anxious , yes you can give them drugs to make them function.
Stopping the drugs, who want to do that? its medicine! Cant stop giving medicine to a patient.
https://keepcalms.com/p/i-don-t-have-an-alcohol-problem-i-ve-got-plenty-of-alcohol/
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I googled teeth and mental illness and found bacteria linked to it https://www.colgate.com/en-us/oral-health/life-stages/adult-oral-care/ada-09-throat-and-mouth-bacteria-linked-to-schizophrenia
“lactic acid bacteria was at least 400 times more abundant in schizophrenic patients than control subjects”
They don’t say if the patients were drugged/medicated BEFORE the change in bacteria.
Dry mouth and effects of the drugs/medications may be causing the physical differences and then the bacteria etc is not a clue to the causes of “mental illness”.
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“all he was doing was being naked, howling at the moon” If someone wants to be naked, and clearly non violent, and howl at the moon, what’s really the problem?
The location.
I bet people who scream and get naked want to do it around people to get a reaction from them, otherwise they should have gone away from civilization first.
Those with the gold make the rules. Money ( a collective fiction/insanity) is not going to disappear any time soon. Humans still have plenty of food and water. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plagues_of_Egypt got to come back to teach man some humility.
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Better yet get a TV show. Actor or writer?
Ghost_Whisperer Five year running TV show
The series follows the life of Melinda Gordon (Jennifer Love Hewitt), who has the ability to see and communicate with ghosts
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_Whisperer
Medium Seven year running TV show
The series stars Patricia Arquette as Allison DuBois, a medium employed as a consultant for the Phoenix, Arizona, district attorney’s office,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medium_(TV_series)
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I am happy to support this website for quality articles like this one. Thanks!!!!
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As there is no such thing as a psychotic molecule , bacteria or virus, anyone with common sense knows an Anti-psychotic is a fictional medicine.
Imagine a (illegal ) drug dealer that wanted to reduce their (drug addicted) clients use of drugs. Not gonna happen. What is the drug dealers incentive? Who is the drug dealer working for?
Peace, there must be peace at all costs.
http://docsontheweb.blogspot.com/2007/08/allergic-to-haldol.html
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The number one reason for psychiatry is for people to get drugs. The people can not call them drugs. They can not be taking or forcing others to consume drugs, they must be taking medicine. The necessity of psychiatry is to rename drugs as medicine. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/during-prohibition-your-doctor-could-write-you-prescription-booze-180947940/
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With today’s technology we could define someone with a physical brain defect found in a MRI as a patient due to the scientific evidence. The brain damage has to be evident BEFORE psychiatry intervened with its treatments.
As I am sure you know, psychiatry can predict a horrible future and then makes the horror come true.
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I like the cartoon. Szasz said there is a time to laugh at the powerful,“When a person can no longer laugh at himself, it is time for others to laugh at him..” and John Lennon also advocated for nonviolence, as once they have you (visibly) angry , they know how to handle you.
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Jailing someone and calling the jail a hospital will also make people crazy.
From the article “Amit’s belief that we were conspiring against him could be described as a delusion. It might also be described as an understandable response to what was happening to him.”
Guy in the article is selling a book. Getting paid to look after and write about the mentally ill. ehn.
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Regarding the electricity overnight on children’s brains.
The electricity is DC or direct current so does not cause a seizure. At best , the treatment is an active placebo.
At worst, chemical reactions will occur in the blood and potentially poison the child. To separate hydrogen and oxygen H2O in water you can apply a DC voltage to water that has conductors. At the positive and negative contact points gas and chemical reactions will take place.
The odds of electricity reaching the brain is very unlikely, as proven by a cadaver study of DC electrical stimulation. Medical article https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29396478
For DC to work they have to use higher voltages/power, which then makes it too painful to use on conscious people.
Layman article. “Buzsáki, who still hopes to use such techniques to enhance memory, is more restrained than some critics. The tDCS field is “a sea of bullshit and bad science” https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/04/cadaver-study-casts-doubts-how-zapping-brain-may-boost-mood-relieve-pain
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Congratulations on your work to follow where the money goes .
I hope you are aware of the trap seriously mentally ill persons are in. If they are not taking psychiatric medications then they are not following medical advice and can be forcefully medicated, or if they are not taking medication it means they are well and will no longer receive Government money to have food and shelter.
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I think it is hilarious that those who believe in the religion of psychiatry criticize the legitimacy of another religion.
“The only way out was to tell the psychiatrists that they were correct. I am insane but getting better.” Rosenhan experiment.
Psychiatrist predict a bad future then make the bad future happen by drugging their patient. Drug withdrawal is judged as the mental illness returning and the necessity for drug resumption.
They accuse the schizophrenic “Positive symptoms of schizophrenia may be related to distortions in time perception.” When it is they themselves who have a distorted perception of time. The future has not happened yet and there is nothing to fear, yet they fear the future and must medicate the present moment to prevent the “bad”.
The “medicines” one ingests do not have the ability to distinguish between “good” sane thought and “bad” insane thought and attack ONLY the “bad” thoughts. The person decides what is rational or not.
You can not fix stupid.
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“You cannot tell me that I do not have a physical illness” double negatives? Converts to “you can tell me i do have a physical illness”
This is a bizarre statement when the illness is called mental illness, and a whole different set of rules are applied to mental illness.
In physical illness the patient can leave against medical advice AMA.
People do have the potential to make wrong or bad decisions ( or the right one) , if they do not have the choice they do not have their freedom.
Yes indeed the medication or drugs can inhibit cognition, keeping the patient in a trap of lack of insight into their problem(s). Indeed the doctor/psychiatrist can enjoy their position of power too much.
Bad Medicine, A Psychiatrist’s Control Over Patient’s Mind https://youtu.be/ha9vnLMrXeQ
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ha ha!
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Schizophrenia Bulletin 38(4):661-71 · March 2012 Childhood Adversities Increase the Risk of Psychosis: A Meta-analysis of Patient-Control, Prospective- and Cross-sectional Cohort Studies https://www.researchgate.net/publication/223990226_Childhood_Adversities_Increase_the_Risk_of_Psychosis_A_Meta-analysis_of_Patient-Control_Prospective-_and_Cross-sectional_Cohort_Studies
Schizophrenia Research Available online 22 May 2019 Linking Childhood Adversities with schizophrenia: A mediating role of the balanced time perspective
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The religion of magical pills is in power. This era started with the first antibiotic (penicillin) and the birth control pill.
“Formerly, when religion was strong and science weak, men mistook magic for medicine; now, when science is strong and religion weak, men mistake medicine for magic. “Thomas Szasz
https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/thomas_szasz_106710
Anger at the system will not help me/you sleep at night.
“The establishment will irritate you… to make you fight. Because once they’ve got you violent, then they know how to handle you.” John Lennon.
It must be a cold anger, not hot.
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You mean people have reasons for their problems? That can not be! http://www.collectmedicalantiques.com/sites/default/files/gallery-images/robertburger-villingenplastometerneedhighresberlinphrenologist.1410027341.jpg
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You wrote “my poor parents decades ago that I could “relapse” at any given moment”.
This is an exploitation of fear ( of the future) in the parents, that psychiatry is happy to use. Your child is sick and must be helped. A parents love and need to keep the child safe. How does the child escape the parents and the psychiatrists fear of the future?
The psychiatrist can play the hero by drugging the patient so they can not perform any action, good or bad.
You causing any trouble?
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“People assume I, and others, can’t handle these emotions. This is projection indeed.” you wrote.
Yes they can call the anger “psychotic” instead of that the person is angry. With the person suitably diagnosed, antipsychotics can be medically administered.
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“people can become afraid to leave their home” you wrote. I wonder about this.
Go back in time and how many homes had heating , running water to drink and a toilet to use? Before modern times you had to go out to chop wood for the fire or get coal for the furnace. You had to go outside to the well to get drinking water. You had to go outside to use the outhouse.
Change your “tribe” and how many humans were nomadic? living in tents.
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cancer survivor pride movement yes
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right on
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I will never support “mad pride” , like I would never support “cancer pride”. Psychiatric survivor pride, yes.
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bad link to official article
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I read this quickly and did not see and slavery. “so long as the idea of mental illness imparts legitimacy to the exercise of psychiatric power, psychiatric slavery cannot be abolished.” Szasz https://selfdefinition.org/psychology/Thomas-Szasz-Psychiatric-Slavery.pdf#page=12&zoom=auto,-61,690
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The children are on legal drugs, but they can not fault the legal drugs in influencing children to make bad decisions.
Like the (alcohol) drunk driver is not responsible for crashing the car, the other cars and obstacles ( the bullies) around the car are to blame.
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“…the cause of major psychiatric disorders, and how, in fact, they were finding instead that the drugs, over time, induce the very chemical abnormalities hypothesized to cause the disorders in the first place. ”
Yes, I have a major psychiatric disorder diagnosis of schizophrenia. Schizophrenia is know for Affective flattening, Akathisia, Alogia , Apathy, Asociality, Avolition, …..
and Anhedonia: The inability to experience pleasure from activities usually found enjoyable.
The psychiatric medicines given to the mentally ill known as antipsychotics disable the dopamine and serotonin receptors in the brain.
the-scientist-and-the-frog http://jokes.cc.com/funny-doctor/fj9nmq/the-scientist-and-the-frog
Who is insane?
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According to the bible, the story of the first humans, Adam and Eve, Eve heard temptation from the devil to eat of the tree of knowledge.
Abraham hearing https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+22&version=NIV
Jesus hearing Satans temptations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temptation_of_Christ
From the movie “Trading Places”
What do they want me to do here?
– I’m sure they’ll tell you.
– What if I can’t do it?
Just be yourself, sir.
Whatever happens, they can’t take that away from you.
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” quit riding it.” yes stop looking for a chemical to fix you.
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The drugs are not medications.
This is what the psychiatric profession is hinged on. If there are no psychiatric medications ( there are not) , then they are not doctors.
So the drugs have to BE medications or they are out of a profession.
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hey , you know they can vote it IN, or OUT of the DSM, you know that’s objective science. SARC
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https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/high-blood-cholesterol/expert-answers/niacin-overdose/faq-20058075
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Sleep ah? You think it is a pleasant sleep? You obviously have not been forced to consume the drug, or brainwashed to consume the drug. And it is not sleep.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10565099
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The diagnoses might be a description of behaviour like” too fast” or “too slow”, but the trouble with giving such a description-diagnosis to a child or anyone under the age of 18, is that the diagnosis is self fulfilling.
The doctor says I have a low attention span due to a disease? That’s a great excuse for not taking responsibility for my actions, for not trying to get better. I got a disease! My actions and inaction are a result of a disease. The doctor says so!
This is the TRUE danger of psychiatric diagnosis, the nocebo effect.
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Thanks for the science!
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Thanks for the article Dr. Moncrieff.
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The current medication for Postpartum Depression killed a women.
“While they were waiting for the antidepressant Zoloft to “kick in” after their son was born, she took her own life.”
Elephant in the room and no one sees it, myself included. The article had me overlooking it until I read the first comment here by “Truth” who wrote ” I wonder if..?”
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wrong placement for comment
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This paper discusses and analyses three articles appearing in a 1942 issue of the
American Journal of Psychiatry.
JAY JOSEPH
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/c10d/3408c200077d9123f802a92408859c37d90c.pdf
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“By about 1960, widespread consumption had begun to make amphetamine’s negative health consequences more evident. Amphetamine psychosis had already been observed in the 1930s among long-term narcoleptic users of the drug, and individual case reports mounted during the 1940s and early 1950s.41 Initially, psychotic episodes were attributed to latent schizophrenia “unmasked” by the drug or to some other preexisting psychiatric pathology in the user.42 In Philip Connell’s definitive 1958 study of 40 cases, however, the British psychiatrist persuasively showed that amphetamine psychosis could happen to anyone, and eventually would, given enough of the drug” https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2377281/
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“We all have a bit of a Nazi inside us,”
it is in the NT bible as well. kill and burn the useless (tree)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_barren_fig_tree
If you are being given shit in your life (dung in the story), maybe it is Jesus trying to fertilize you so you produce something. (joke)
Psychiatry does the opposite of dung-fertilizer for a plant, it poisons people while calling it medicine, and those around the mental patient for some reason still believe the confidence trick, urge their loved one to take the medicine.
YOU TAKE THE MEDICINE!
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No, the facts, the information, the science comes from the top down. A PBS show on breast cancer said everyone was in favour for radical mastectomy to cure cancer. The doctor who proposed lumpectomy is just as good, was derided by his fellow brainwashed doctors. Only when the patients heard of a scientific trial, and got the science to prove the survival rates are the same for both radical mastectomy and lumpectomy did things change.
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I saw a study of people given a placebo, explicitly told they are taking a placebo and the placebo effect still worked on a majority of the subjects. So you don’t even need the “active” placebo (some kind of noticeable physical effect) to get a response.
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“why do you suppose mainstream religions have embraced psychiatry”
It is about where the drugs are coming from.
because the elite in the church still sin, still suffer from “depression” and need someone to turn to for excuses and the solution of legal drugs coming from read doctors, not drug dealers.
and also the children of the elite have problems , so they need psychiatry to drug(called medicine) the children.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-25682368
Living in an urban area with green spaces has a long-lasting positive impact on people’s mental well-being, a study has suggested.
UK researchers found moving to a green space had a sustained positive effect, unlike pay rises or promotions, which only provided a short-term boost.
The authors said the results indicated that access to good quality urban parks was beneficial to public health.
The findings appear in the journal Environmental Science and Technology.
Co-author Mathew White, from the European Centre for Environment and Human Health at the University of Exeter, UK, explained the study built on the findings of a study that showed people living in greener urban areas were displaying fewer signs of depression or anxiety.
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great find! thanks for the link
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A bartender can be charged for giving too much alcohol .
“Bartenders who serve intoxicated patrons may be at risk for legal and civil charges as a result of these actions. Many states have enacted legislation to allow for prosecution and civil suits of commercial establishments that serve alcohol to visibly intoxicated individuals or to minors.”
And the doctor was on a mind altering substance like alcohol.
Heads I win, tails you lose. Win- Win for psychiatry
With no science to measure good thoughts to bad thoughts from being chemically altered it still is a win-win position for psychiatry.
If the patient does well after given-forced medicines, psychiatry helped.
If the patient does poorly after given-forced medication, psychiatry says we told you he/she was ill. We are trying to help.
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Depression used to be a sin, as in a choice people make. If you can not sin ( you do not have the DNA that they are looking for) you are not a human being. The sin is ingratitude to not appreciate and enjoy the gifts that God has given us, like the sight, sound, smell of things.
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The fish, the client wants to stay on the hook of drug addiction. Right. Not. There are no brain chemical imbalances. The legal drugs are just drugs, not medicine.
The psychiatrist can switch up the drugs, for the patient. If the patient goes nuts from the change, it is a win for psychiatry (Patient back in psychiatry’s hospital-jail or worse). If the patient adjusts to the new drugs (with an illusion of choice or freewill) it is a win for psychiatry as they kept their “patient”.
Remember the hero needs to be a hero by issuing helpful medications to a sick patient.
You are sick aren’t you?
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“I do not ever believe it shrunk my brain”
The drugs do shrink the brain, wither you believe it or don’t believe it.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/article-abstract/493628
https://www.nature.com/news/2011/110207/full/news.2011.75.html
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What is psychosis? Just another made up word. No measurable chemical , blood test, Xray, MRI or whatever.
If there is no psychosis then they can’t push there fictional cure, the anti-psychosis drugs, that they call medicine.
If they can’t administer medicine, are they doctors?
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The Simpsons cartoon made fun of the phenomenon of teenagers being depressed. Leaving childhood has its pros and cons. “Making teenagers depressed is like shooting fish in a barrel” 0:27 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cELOaM-wRUY
The say psychiatry went too far with naming bereavement a mental disorder, maybe teenage angst is also not a mental disorder?
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The problem will solve itself when the children of today grow up and don’t/can’t/won’t have children or will not have a profession that earns income to pay for their children.
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Makes you ask “Who watches the watchers?” Was the authority the one with the mental illness (obsession with medically assisted death) , not the “patient”?
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“A slave is he who cannot speak his thoughts.” Euripides (484-406 B.C.)
Today the slave is not allowed to have thoughts, he might speak of them, or act on them.
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I don’t know how religion is doing where you live, but the churches that were full in the 1940’s are now empty. People used to pray to God before the holy molecules of science started working , like molecules of penicillin.
Formerly, when religion was strong and science weak, men mistook magic for medicine; now, when science is strong and religion weak, men mistake medicine for magic. Thomas Szasz
Read more at: https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/thomas_szasz_106710
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for Rachel777
first the general public does not want psychiatry banned
second organized religion uses psychiatry for the sin of sloth, known today as depression, so they don’t want it gone
third psychiatry is part of the law, the accused must be sane to go to court. too obvious,too much proof of a killing from anger and the person is automatically “insane”
How does it get banned?
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” no more psychiatry” you have to be realistic and recognize some people like and want psychiatry. People want to play patient and doctor.
To ban psychiatry would be like to ban a religion.You can’t do it.
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To clarify, a drug only becomes a medicine when it is prescribed by a (mortal) doctor. You the doctor are preforming the magical transformation of drug to medicine. You must bear the responsibility, if you can not, find another profession.
What responsibility you ask? The actions of your patient that they take while under the influence of mind altering drugs, like a person who voluntarily drinks alcohol and drives home. Did he drink too much?
So the default is obvious , drug your patient so much that they can take NO action, and then call the lack of action a successful treatment.
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As a critic of psychiatry I have to write the drugs are not medications. It is self fulfilling to write “Who decides?” when it has already been decided the drugs are medicines by the authority.
The doctors are issuing legal drugs not medicines, as there is no physical disease in the patient for the drug-chemical to affect.
The prescribing doctor does not go through physical withdrawal, or the ups and downs as the drugs are absorbed into the patients body. There is no WE in the legal drug dealing.
“He recently asked me if I thought he could ever stop — I said I didn’t know, but certainly we could work on it.”
“we’d keep on making these decisions together”
The drug dealer does not want to see pain in their client so will continue to prescribe drugs.
“My biggest fear is that people who need the drugs will stop taking them.” Dr. Andreasen
http://www.psychodyssey.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Inteview-iwth-Nancy-Andreasen.pdf
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old blog on same problem
http://diffthoughts.blogspot.com/2009/03/murder-of-torben-martin-bdker-bosnia.html
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Then you got the catch 22. If you are looking for help, it means you don’t need help (to those in authority).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catch-22_(logic)
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“Help” is locking the patient up so they can not hurt themselves.
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poising people and giving them drugs. “used as an adjunct to antipsychotic medications.”
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Everyone believes in psychiatry, so it has power. Believing in magical medication. https://www.google.com/search?q=can%2527t%2Bfix%2Bstupid%2Bmedicate&num=50&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved
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from the movie “Departed” What can I use you for? https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/64df23fd-8cb6-429e-b596-6e8af9fdb9d0
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It is more profitable to poison them slowly over 20 years than to outright kill them.
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That is why Peter C. Gotzsche got into trouble, for pointing out the elephant in the room.
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with facebook, who is going to use their real name?
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I am sorry for your loss. Sorry that the cause of death report was simply ‘respiratory failure’.
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Another aspect is military deaths on psych drugs. In the U.S., one suicide (successfully) completed a day, with many on the psychiatric medicines. They estimate 22 or 20 suicide attempts a day. Do they blame the drug, the access to the drug, the drugs effects on cognition that predisposes someone to perform more foolish actions? Suicide is attributed to mental illness, not the drug. And those that who accidentally take an overdose, is it suicide or an overdose? What is written on the death certificate?
Canada “Suicide toll reveals how system failed Canada’s soldiers and veterans”
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/investigations/number-of-soldiers-vets-who-died-by-suicide-after-afghanistan-on-rise/article32673192/
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I ask the doctors who read this website to consider writing the paper.
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Someone could write a book on the problem of falsifying the death certificates, or at least document it, and put it in the medical literature so it can be cited as a “real” problem.
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Doctors and scientists that believe the lie that the drugs are medicines usually write” natural causes” to the death of psych patients, or like in this article “died from a hereditary heart condition”. They falsify the science and still claim it is science . The Nazi’s did something similar.
https://www.britannica.com/event/T4-Program
“The relatives then received condolence letters, falsified death certificates signed by physicians, and urns containing ashes.”
other story
Death From Meds’ Side Effects Ruled “Natural Causes”
https://www.madinamerica.com/2014/02/uk-mans-death-medication-side-effects-ruled-natural-causes/
and the 25 twenty five earlier death rate of the mentally ill , they do attribute it to “cardiovascular, respiratory
and infectious diseases, diabetes and hypertension” https://www.who.int/mental_health/management/info_sheet.pdf.
If they are faking the cause of death, any attempts to fix the problem will obviously not work. And they will not be caught until another fifty years of evidence builds up to prove they are lying.
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Is the brain broken or not? Today we know the brain is NOT broken, so then what is psychiatry? Is it a medical treatment? No. Will I worship the holy molecule as instructed? No, not if I have my freedom.
no chemical imbalance to be fixed by medicine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell's_teapot
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At the SMBC comic link, click on the red button for a second example of a failed suicide thanks to a vaccine.
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Well to stop suicide, they could test tying people up and compare that to people who are not tied up and see which one has a higher suicide rate. You know I am joking, but you can extrapolate the drug that inhibits someone from moving (same as a physical rope) would lessen the chances of suicide. Doesn’t really make it anti-suicide medicine.
dark humor on SMBC on suicide. Imagine a day, a pill, a vaccine for suicide! http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=1210#comic
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“record it on video ”
If you can record abuse (1) on video and get it out (2), I am sorry but most everyone will not care, so don’t go to the trouble.
Many “normal” people hate the mentally ill. They actually believe there is a difference between people because someone (professional) told them so.
But there are assholes https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/539495/dwarf-neighbours-misery-asbo
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The psychiatrist wants to be a (real) doctor, a hero that removes disease.
The disease is a non-physical idea.
“It became necessary to destroy the town to save it.” http://www.thisdayinquotes.com/2010/02/it-became-necessary-to-destroy-town-to.html
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any justifiable outrage is medicated into submission.
Everybody runs. Guilty before the crime? https://youtu.be/6tQgODygWXE?t=99
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“I hire couple of thugs to break them for $5,000”. You are going to end up in jail unless/until you learn to forgive. Most everyone is just trying to make it through the day.
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You wrote “Nazi Aktion T4 program … sterilization of “defectives” … can’t happen again.”
It is happening right now. The psych drugs mess with both the pleasure perception in the brain and the sexuality of males/females.
Post-SSRI sexual dysfunction https://rxisk.org/post-ssri-sexual-dysfunction-pssd/
Drugs commonly used to treat schizophrenia https://www.cochrane.org/CD003546/SCHIZ_management-of-sexual-problems-due-to-antipsychotic-drug-therapy
Males growing breasts https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5385759/
https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-adhd-drug-that-gives-boys-breasts
The Effects of Antipsychotics on Prolactin Levels and Women’s Menstruation https://www.researchgate.net/publication/260063403_The_Effects_of_Antipsychotics_on_Prolactin_Levels_and_Women's_Menstruation
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“those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.” Voltaire, the French author, (1694 – 1778) https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/voltaire_118641
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what is the difference between the “inpatient psychiatric unit” and a prison?
in “hospital” I had to say I was a smoker when I am not, to get any amount of daylight/outdoor time. In hospital I asked ” When am I getting out?” the response was “Soon, soon” unlike a fixed date for a crime. What was I guilty of? Where was my lawyer?
You start off your story with the story of a psychotic woman,
[The new patient was a severely psychotic woman who looked into the air like it was teeming with ghosts. She called us witches and warlocks and vampires.]
but you don’t speak of her history. Was she born psychotic? or was she made that way perhaps?
More drugs. More Drugs. More drugs. Rather than rational thought, rather than “This is a sever drug withdrawal”. Magical drugs that can only do good. It all starts from a lie that the drugs are fixing something.
“It is better one hundred innocent Persons should be found guilty and suffer (psychiatric drugs and psychiatric prison), than that one guilty Person should escape.” says Psychiatry.
This is the reverse of ” it is better one hundred guilty Persons should escape than that one innocent Person should suffer”said by Benjamin Franklin
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Get out of the game of being defined and defining others. If you look at my icon it is one hand drawing the other hand. A symbolism of the behaviour. Founded in hate. https://www.mcescher.com/gallery/back-in-holland/drawing-hands/
The only person who can leave the endless battle/equation is you, as the psychiatrist is paid, and also compelled to continue to define you.
In order to leave you must find forgiveness for yourself and for others. You must not identify too closely with the master or the slave.
If you like the fight, you keep doing what you are doing.
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LOL great one!
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” NO OTHER justice worthy conclusion than to *abolish* psychiatry. ” wrote Richard D. Lewis .
You know this can’t happen. Szasz explained psychiatry is too enmeshed into society to be able to remove it, even if some power was able to. at 2 :37 in the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tY78qJNLoQ0
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from my old blog
“We are helping people!” they exclaim.
If a person rejects forced psychiatric help then its “Catch 22”. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catch-22_(logic)
If you want help , then you are not sick,
If you don’t want help , then it means you are sick.
“We are helping people!”
Maybe , maybe not. How many are being harmed by psychiatry? Many obedient patients develop Diabetes and other disease from psychiatric drug treatment.
Being in a prison without a crime, makes madness. Take for example a tortured animal. It behaves badly from the abuse it has received. Do you help it by confining it, and beating it more?
Call it medicine. Right. You try the medicine out for its medicinal properties.
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PART B) Then you have all the people who need/want to help the poor unfortunate with medicine. They can NOT be issuing drugs, they must be giving out medicine. They are HERO’s! for helping the unfortunate with medicine, not hurting people with drugs.
https://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2012/12/funeral.html
“They do not know how to stand in the presence of grief because they can’t help but make it immediately a judgment of themselves– how can you see a woman crying and not do anything? Purposeless hyperactivity to cover up one’s impotence and lack of empathy.”
Converted to
“They (psychiatrists) do not know how to stand in the presence of crazy because they can’t help but make it immediately a judgment of themselves– how can you (as a doctor) see a crazy person and not do anything?”
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“a need for a public education campaign to correct the record”
Who is going to pay for that? And the people who are happy to eat their God , need to, or want to believe in a magical pill (their God).
Regarding the children. Yes the children believe they are defective and need medicine for not being a perfect robot , instead of the past times when humans were imperfect sinners, who inevitably sinned or made mistakes.
If the children take on the responsibility for their actions , then they might feel guilty for their “bad” behavior( then need MORE drugs for feeling bad). It is better and easier to blame your problems on unbalanced brain chemicals. Those who do believe in magical chemicals have NO reason to change their belief system.
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I hope they count this in the Shorter life span for the mentally ill. Do they say if the two KILLED were locked up in handcuffs or posey belt? Did they have a chance to escape like their guards?
While saving the patient they killed him/her. is common in psychiatry.
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A person has to pay the bills (for an excuse/reason to work in the prison. And the prison is not disappearing any time soon).
You do know the only difference between the mad and the eccentric is just a matter of the amount of money that they have?
No money and you are on the street and presumed mentally ill….
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The first image “The Ship of Fools” with global warming, plastic waste in the water/ocean, nuclear (cancer causing radiation) power and such things , we are still on THE ship of Fools. But maybe nearer the end.
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The image of people chained and being UN-chained Philippe_Pinel_à_la_Salpêtrière_.jpg is the same as today.
People want the irresponsible in chains otherwise-known-as “medication” or psychiatric drugs. An invisible chain. And there are doctors today who want to reduce the chains, reduce the number of drugs/medicines patients are on so they can recover and become a “healthy” individual.
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In the third image mystery-of-madness-3-1024×648.jpg, a room full of people looking at the patient, WOW what a thrill to be the center of attention to all these learn-ed people. https://twentytwowords.com/will-janet-jackson-haunt-justin-timberlakes-rumored-super-bowl-performance/
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When neuroleptics became popular it was also the same time antibiotics worked for the first time. When given enough antibiotic to a diseased person it cured them. The first experiment was a semi-failure because they ran out of antibiotic.
Albert Alexander https://io9.gizmodo.com/here-s-why-the-first-patient-to-receive-penicillin-didn-1733727092
I think this is how they came up with the drugs for life ( for mental illness) , back in the days of witchcraft-religion> everyone went to a church of some kind in the 1950’s. How does the drug-medicine work? I don’t know, but keep giving it to them as they are improving.
Worship of the holy molecule, you must worship! and one day you will be cured! ( sarcastic joke)
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“Gay liberation had ACT UP. ” the shocking of genitals (http://theconversation.com/gay-conversion-therapy-proposed-ban-is-a-positive-step-but-the-battle-remains-to-be-won-98492 ) is mostly banned but the shocking of the brain is acceptable. If only the brain was considered more important than the genitals.
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dont reinstate I say. they are not doctors.
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With brain damage “I emerge from my three-week-long ECT treatment to discover that I am not only this Princess Leia creature but also several-sized dolls, various T-shirts and posters, some cleansing items, and a bunch of other merchandise. It turns out I was even a kind of pin-up—a fantasy that geeky teenage boys across the globe jerked off to me with some frequency. How’s that for a newborn-how-do-you-do damsel in very little cinematic distress?”
To wit, one afternoon in Berkeley I found myself walking into a shop that sold rocks and gems.
“Oh my God, aren’t you…the salesman behind the counter exclaimed.
And before he could go any further, I modestly said,
“Yes, I am.”
“Oh my God! I thought about you every day from when I was twelve to when I was twenty-two.”
And instead of asking what happened at twenty-two, I said, “Every day?”
He shrugged and said, “Well, four times a day.”
Welcome to the land of too much information.
http://www.oprah.com/oprahshow/carrie-fisher-wishful-drinking-excerpt/
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Some people say that back-in-the-day doctors gave “sick” women orgasms.https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog/all-about-sex/201303/hysteria-and-the-strange-history-vibrators
A pro ECT article and other articles on electroshock mention the toes curling.
“When we have taken their shoes and socks off, we would look at their feet and normally what you would see is their toes might twitch or curl up rhythmically,” from https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/apr/17/what-is-ect-and-how-does-it-work
and in the movies how do they show people had sex?”Give Her A Toe-Curling Climax In 15 Minutes”
“We know orgasms can make your toes curl, ” http://www.nbcnews.com/id/31213362/ns/health-sexual_health/t/ah-ah-ah-choo-orgasms-make-her-nose-stuffy
To bypass the touching of the genitals, they go directly to the brain , and “stimulate” the brain.
Are the people getting ECT/electroshocked having pleasurable sex? Should that problem not be treated first?
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‘Video Designed To Make You Experience Schizophrenia Is The Scariest Thing You’ll See All Day ” goes with the above link
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purple guy in the article https://www.ranker.com/list/schizophrenia-inducing-videos/brandon-michaels
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I think the schizophrenic artwork should be banned as well. ” Look at that crazy art that crazy person made!” Further convincing “normal” people how crazy , the person named crazy is. We do not know the circumstances the artist was under when they use all purple for skin color. M.I.A. uses this art as well. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophrenia
Another example is the writing on the wall some mad people do.
https://imgix.ranker.com/user_node_img/50071/1001406724/original/teaching-empathy-through-schizophrenia-simulators-photo-u1?w=650&q=50&fm=jpg&fit=crop&crop=faces
“Look at that mad rambling” people say. Did he/she have anything to write on, like paper? No ? So what can a person write on when they feel the need to write/do art? Besides does anyone like looking at a blank white (jail-that-isn’t-a-jail) wall? https://www.123rf.com/photo_6339633_an-image-of-a-depressed-prisoner-sitting-in-his-prison-cell-marking-days-on-the-wall.html
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“Have others found that writing about these experiences”
Too much anger or too much sadness-depression might get you back into the hands of psychiatry, so I have to watch my levels of anger and sadness, or any other feeling, to make sure it is not in excess. Writing in public or in private can help purge the excess of emotion. The excesses may be justified or not, maybe a result of previous psychiatric treatment ( too many dopamine receptors).
https://books.google.ca/books?id=mDqxay6-51oC&lpg=PA198&ots=kv1q0Jd0Hz&dq=too%20many%20dopamine%20receptors%20whitaker&pg=PA198#v=onepage&q=too%20many%20dopamine%20receptors%20whitaker&f=false
The bottom line is how functional am I today? I have my self defined standards that I try to follow every day and it has worked for me for several years.
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Thanks for your work , Dr Moncrieff, and Dr Steingard. Coming from a now 50 year old , who was diagnosed/given the label of schizophrenia at age 19 and does not take “meds” or drugs. Intelligence and “good” behavior come from a fully functioning mind, not a drugged one.
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“I don’t believe that genes have nothing to do with it” is a double negative statement .
Alcoholics like to say alcoholism is a disease , so that they do not feel guilt, so they do not feel the responsibility for their bad choices. This belief in disease is good for the feeling of guilt a person can have can make people go back to drinking in order to try to feel better.
In the religion of Christianity, Jesus died on the cross to provide the way for people to receive forgiveness from their sins.
In the religion of psychiatry. people like to blame DNA and unbalanced brain chemicals for their sins, to remove feelings of guilt and responsibility for bad behaviour, and it works! How do you find forgiveness? You find a scapegoat. Those bad molecules and genes are responsible, not me/not my loving father/not my loving mother!
I find it far more easy to forgive someone if I think they are mentally ill. I am no longer angry at their bad choices and bad behavior because they are not responsible, they did not do it on purpose. Finding forgiveness….
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Thank you for your work Jay Joseph.
T. Szasz wrote psychiatry is the medicalization of morals. Where “bad” behaviours were previously called “sins”, behaviours made by choice , made by freewill , are now considered a disease.
Most obvious is the childhood disease of short attention span/playing games renamed “ADHD”, where in the past, fear of corporal punishment kept most in line, but today, corporal punishment no longer socially acceptable, authority switched to using drugs , drugging children obedient.
The child now believes they are a disease( for not being a orderly robot), have disease inside them because authority tells them so. This is far worse than a physical punishment( like from a spanking), as they feel/think their diseased soul needs medication. Authority is lying to them and they have no other option but to believe the lie, from the evidence of their own hands/minds playing when they are not supposed to.
Vice and Virtue
1 Lust Chastity
2 Gluttony Temperance
3 Greed Charity
4 Sloth Diligence
5 Wrath Patience
6 Envy Kindness
7 Pride Humility
“In our fervor to medicalize morals, we have transformed every sin but one into sickness.
Anger(5), gluttony(2), lust(1), pride(7), sloth(4) are all the symptoms of mental diseases.
Only lacking compassion (kindness) is still a sin.”
All humans might choose to sin, or be forced to, so all must have the same “defective” DNA.
Who/what would humans be without our “defective” DNA? We would be robots.
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Great article! Great to ask who is paying for the electroshock.
“It is disturbing to learn that public funds in Oregon are paying for ECT for Medicaid-eligible people.”
great story “the staff came to Dean and told him that the drug had worked a miracle”+ “I’ve been cheeking them the whole time.”
Regarding “push these kinds of inquiries”
A quote from the movie the Matrix
“You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system that they will fight to protect it.”
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redux wrote “It would be interesting to see how many Anne Franks there are currently, as well as an accurate number of Jesuses.”
The difference is obvious, as Anne Frank is a mortal without magical powers, and Jesus can raise the dead and do other miracles.
I met a guy who believes he is Jesus, but I did not ask him to show me any of his magical powers. Would he have become angry if asked?
A person who believes they are Anne Frank should be less dangerous than someone who believes they are Jesus.
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Thomas Szasz did not like the term antipsychiatry, and wrote a book Antipsychiatry-Quackery Squared. https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41fTJhNxPkL._SX328_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg
People can seek the religion and/or the help they want. When the religion (magical pills) is forced on you by your government , that is when things go wrong.
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“Why did the authors not control for medication?” because everyone is supposed to be on the drugs/medication, they can not find a sample group to study.
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I second the “get exercise” comment.
Mathematically if you convert all the food we eat into energy, we have a lot of potential energy to burn up.
Seeking one drug in place of another drug is an endless battle to go to sleep. Stop worshiping molecules. https://biblehub.com/commentaries/exodus/32-20.htm
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If the sound-voice is real it can be recorded or amplified. If the sound-voice is real there is a direction to it like a left or a right direction. If the sound is real you CAN get away from it, its only a matter of time and distance. The voice can help and/or trick, you never know which it is going to be. You can wear ear plugs in both ears or just one ear. You can play music (louder than the voice) , you can go to outdoor places that are quiet and only have sounds of nature (too quiet for the voice to manifest).
Take photos take notes as in the passage of time we can and do forget the past.
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I don’t know if this is applicable, as it is asking the public questions, their opinion/opinion pole . But asking the question to get the answer you want still might work. Comedy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wySaC_z12GY
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the episode https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repentance_(Star_Trek:_Voyager)
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Otherwise instead of measuring an erection status when (visually) exposed to different material https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penile_plethysmograph,
they look directly at the brain with fMRI.
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They did this on Star Trek Voyager. A criminal in transport was on the ship. The doctor looked at him and found defects in his brain. The doctor fixed the brain defects and then the prisoner suddenly could reflect on the wrongness of his crime and offered an apology. Those that were harmed by the criminal actions did not accept the apology.
This story of the future is the reverse of modern psychiatry, which drugs and changes a healthy brain into a damaged one.
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if Budda or Jesus were back, would they not have magical powers?
Psychiatry IS a religion. Worship and consume the magical medication that will make you magically “good” instead of “bad” . What kind of sinner are you? schizophrenic and/or bipolar ? There is a medicine for every type of sinner
If things are going badly they increase the drugs instead of reducing them. Maybe the drugs are making the patient worse? so reduce them? You want people to be smarter to see the error of their ways? Then you drug and inhibit their ability to think?
“I expect her to laugh, but instead the psychiatrist looks very serious.” never expect a shrink to laugh, they are trying to be heroes. saving people from themselves. drugging the present moment for fear of the future. the future never arrives, prophesy fulfilled.
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Who ever is paying with yellow metal/gold/money gets to make the rules.
Sins existed before psychiatry and have been renamed . Sins like sloth gluttony and so on , do exist and must be recognized for some kind of balance to occur.
Hearing voices. Voice of Pride, “I am all powerful!”(grandiosity) or taking pride in a job well done.
Too proud: In Dante’s Divine Comedy, the penitents were forced to walk with stone slabs bearing down on their backs to induce feelings of humility.
Voice of despair.”I have no power” and sadness versus accepting the things you can not change and feeling serenity.
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The researchers are insane and refuse to admit they are insane. Who is to tell them differently? Who has the power?
The next step in the case where someone is wrong , is a higher authority is supposed to judge what is going on, such as the police. But in this world there is no police , there is no higher authority.
Specifically “telling off the researcher” just makes more (false) scientific evidence . When people don’t participate (as can be expected) they remove them from the evidence base.
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When does a person become “autistic”, on a spectrum https://www.ted.com/talks/temple_grandin_the_world_needs_all_kinds_of_minds
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Researchers claim Autism is in the infant brain. https://www.mcgill.ca/neuro/channels/news/pinpointing-origins-autism-269888
Though they could be fudging the numbers, like they do in other “science” when they cherry pick numbers, or influence the outcome by removing unwanted material.
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Great article!
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Similar person, similar circumstance in Canada killed themselves in prison in order to escape the torture. She was guilty of throwing crab apples as far as I know , what her crime was. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashley_Smith_inquest
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bruce levine says a higher number https://youtu.be/d-NXULCzhAg?t=539
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The religion that isn’t a religion, psychiatry.
“The country is paying bundles on treating people who are not sick”
You are mistaken
The country is paying bundles on treating people who are made sick by drugs called medicines.
The last sin is lack of compassion wrote Szasz, won’t you help the people that are suffering with medicines(not drugs)? https://books.google.ca/books?id=2pduB22E43oC&lpg=PA3&ots=EQpUS8Md5L&dq=Szasz%20last%20sin%20lack%20of%20compassion&pg=PA3#v=onepage&q=Szasz%20last%20sin%20lack%20of%20compassion&f=false
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Children can not be mentally ill.
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“that’s what the staff told her to do”, forced worship? the religion that isn’t a religion because they say it is medicine.
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regarding “why he made such an abrupt change”.
I would say to keep his (and his relatives of similar) DNA to continuing living in spite of the plans for the master race. His sister is supposedly seriously mentally ill.
Psychiatric Genocide: Nazi Attempts to Eradicate Schizophrenia
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2800142/
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A comic for Frank . This guy should just work harder to escape the hole! http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?id=3444#comic
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Frank How do you differentiate between malingering and “illness”?
You apparently do not consider the treatment that I and others have had from psychiatry have damaged us. I was involuntary, others are voluntary to psychiatry, believing that the doctors heal people. Are both groups worthy of mercy and compassion?
To start the list of damages, in the scientific literature they do note the psychiatric drugs/chemicals/medicines have altered the brain. “You can’t fix stupid” is a well known saying, and I do not think the changes are beneficial.
Today plaintiffs can not easily prove the obvious damages from electroshock, and the documented brain shrinkage is not attributed to the medicines. https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog/mad-in-america/201102/andreasen-drops-bombshell-antipsychotics-shrink-the-brain
Other people who have been unjustly imprisoned can get financial compensation for damages.
Tell me Frank do these people who spend years in prison, do they deserve compensation? or should they get back to work washing dishes in the local restaurant?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-the-wrongfully-convicted-are-compensated/
Frank you are arguing for taxpayers pocket are you not? the same taxpayers that finance and support the psychiatrists? Tell me Frank, who is going to stop the false science of psychiatry? ( as its pocket-book/finances are infinite).
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I have a diagnosis of serious mental illness and I do not take psychiatric medications. I do not know if the treatments I have received have made me worse or better, of if the chemicals/drugs/medicines have a permanent (negative) effect on my brain-body.
If magically I was declared healthy I would then have no income and shortly be homeless, so it is in my interest to keep the psychiatric diagnosis of SMI, until a universal basic income becomes standard.
From the article
He wrote “Ten Myths About Psychiatric Drugs.” this is the article https://www.madinamerica.com/2014/01/psychiatry-gone-astray/
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No more sins from the sinners?
Szasz
“Fifty years ago, the question “What is mental illness?” was of interest to physicians,
philosophers, sociologists as well as the general public. This is no longer the case. The
question has been settled by the holders of politic
al power: they have decreed that “mental illness is a disease like any other.” https://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/pdf/Szasz%20update.pdf
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I do appreciate the question of “effectiveness of these drugs”, questioning the science.
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Why is that guy yelling at strangers on the street?
“The Contest” was the 51st episode of the NBC sitcom, Seinfeld. The eleventh episode of the fourth season, it aired on November 18, 1992.[1] In the episode, George Costanza tells Jerry Seinfeld, Elaine Benes and Cosmo Kramer that his mother caught him unaware while he was masturbating. The conversation results in George, Jerry, Elaine and Kramer entering into a contest to determine who can go for the longest period of time without masturbating.
….
The contest affects their sleep, and the remaining contestants suffer insomnia, while only the people who were eliminated can sleep peacefully.
(Jerry and George. They’re bickering at each other due to the lack of sex)
GEORGE: All you got is instant coffee? Why don’t you get some real coffee?
JERRY: I don’t keep real coffee in here, I get my coffee on the outside! (Intercom buzzes. He answers it) Yeah?!
ELAINE: (Through intercom) It’s Elaine.
JERRY: (Shouting) Come on up! (Opens his door for Elaine)
GEORGE: Where did you get those socks?
JERRY: I don’t know.
GEORGE: I think those are my socks!
JERRY: How are these your socks?!
GEORGE: I don’t know, but those are my socks! I had a pair just like that with the blue stripe, and now I don’t have them anymore!
JERRY: (Sarcastic) Oh, yeah, that’s right, well, you fell asleep one day on the sofa and I took them off your stinkin’ feet. They looked so good to me, I just had to
have them!
GEORGE: Yeah, well, they’re my socks!
JERRY: They’re my socks!
(A brief moment passes as they look at each other)
GEORGE: Oh boy..
JERRY: What are we doing here..
GEORGE: ..Oh boy.
JERRY: This is ridiculous.
GEORGE: Do you believe this? We’re fighting. We’re fighting.
JERRY: I haven’t been myself lately. I’ve been snapping at everybody.
GEORGE: Me too. I’ve been yelling at strangers on the street.
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testosterone in the male over time http://www.mhhe.com/socscience/sex/common/ibank/ibank/0088.jpg
schizophrenia age of diagnosis, http://www.schizophrenia.com/photos/szage.onset.gif
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from the article “They joined the Nazi party at a far greater rate than any other profession”
They still are dictators like in the 1940’s, they believe the drugs renamed as medicine work for “mental illness”.
https://www.thedoctorstv.com/videos/can-a-pill-track-if-you-are-taking-your-meds
People who are in withdrawal will likely be illogical and unreasonable from their physical chemical imbalance, they the doctors created.
People who want drugs https://www.keepcalm-o-matic.co.uk/p/i-don-t-have-an-alcohol-problem-i-ve-got-plenty-of-alcohol/
I don’t want your drugs. If the drugs are medicine, explain to me how it is medicine, how do they work?
Otherwise the drugs are just an invisible rope and chains.
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The religion of pill worshipers have a lot of consumers of the object of worship, what a surprise. not.
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(Neurologist) “I’m on Zoloft (sertraline). I’ve taken it for 20 years. Don’t like that? Think that means I suck as a doctor? I don’t give a shit.”
http://drgrumpyinthehouse.blogspot.ca/2014/11/happy-pills.html
“I’ve been off my Lexapro for a month and it turns out that’s bad.”
http://apotential.wordpress.com/2014/09/20/you-could-cut-the-irony-with-a-knife/
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I would like to comment back in the days before science most mental illnesses were in fact physical illnesses such as syphilis.
Back in the days before science, they had no blood tests and no penicillin.
That era and today can not ever be compared from because there was no SCIENCE at that time.
People who went to hospital/asylums at the time and who recovered were known as addicts. Once free to resume their addiction many went back to their addiction.
This is not medicine but morals. Locking people up forced them to be moral or abstain from their addiction.
The author is also confused as to what a hospital is and what a prison is. If you can not leave the room you are in, that is a prison, not a hospital. Those in authority do call it a hospital as there is no one to oppose the statement.
“Why were these hospitals successful?” Who reports the success versus failure? The lobotomy was judged a success by those that gave the operation. and the new technique to control the “ill”, given a Nobel prize.
Locking people up does control them and does stop them from abusing drugs and alcohol and such things. You can call it medicine? Who is paying for the medicinal treatment of steel and concrete walls?
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Monkeys don’t like the cement cage they are in. no duh.
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There was a story on buttons that don’t work. https://www.cnn.com/style/article/placebo-buttons-design/index.html
“Doing something typically feels better than doing nothing.”
Where doing nothing is the correct thing medically if there is no chemical imbalance to start off with.
These fake doctors giving fake medicine and fake treatments, who holds them accountable?
A critic back in the year 2010 http://clinpsyc.blogspot.com/
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“vitamin D supplementation would seem to be no bad thing”
Emptying a bucket, while filling the bucket , is indeed a bad thing if someone is making a living from doing both actions, claiming to be a doctor and helping by adding and subtracting chemicals.
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No one can “feel suicidal”, as the title says, because suicide is a complex action. People can feel hungry and tired and hot and cold.
People can THINK of suicide as a solution to the despare or whatever discomfort/pain they are feeling.
The first step to beating “feeling suicidal” is to know it is not a feeling. There are actions you can take to change your feelings. If you feel too hot , you move to where it is cold. You feel too cold, you move to where it is warmer.
If you feel powerless you do something that makes you feel you have an effect on the/your environment. Thou Sisyphus’s rock always rolled down again.
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You do know how a human gets vitamin D don’t you? From the sun. If you are locked up in hospital/jail your levels will be lower , + the authority tells patient NOT to get into the sun for increased chance of sunburning when on psychiatric drugs.
“Photosensitivity associated with antipsychotics, antidepressants and anxiolytics.”
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8713693
“Vitamin D deficiency and inadequacy in a correctional population”
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25837209
They got you coming and going.
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what? the medical record?
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It is an advertisement TAC
They are fighting over who gets to jail the prisoner. or Who gets the money to jail-control the prisoner.
From the article
” In 1955, state mental institutions had about 558,000 beds. There were 337 mental hospital beds per 100,000 people in the United States, according to a 2016 study by the Treatment Advocacy Center.
Far too few smaller community facilities opened to make up the difference. Today, there are roughly 12 beds per 100,000 people.”
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When I was first introduced into psychiatry in 1987 I also was deprived of water. Besides being tied to a bed. Besides being poisoned called medicine (by jailor-hospital worker) that made me incredibly thirsty.
Any expression of anger from the “help”was viewed as “sickness” and psychosis because they were giving medicine and help to the unfortunate “patient”.
So you get more poison-medicine from your prison guard- hospital worker.
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A lie from the start “Psychiatric drugs …are designed to make people feel better quickly.” There are different kinds of drugs.
The drugs (called medicine, called antipsychotics) are an invisible rope or straitjacket for those who are not obeying orders.
Not designed but accidentally found. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlorpromazine#History
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“If a person reduces carefully ” carefully is subjective. I stopped the drugs suddenly with the knowledge it would be horrible.. The longer on the drugs the more brain shrinkage is occurring.
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So how many public failures do the proponents of DBS have?
Chantal Remeny
DBS operation in 2006 “Ms. Remeny, a 40-year-old physiotherapist from Toronto” https://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/the-on-switch/article18161067/
2009, at the age of 43 , obituary https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/thestar/obituary.aspx?n=chantal-remeny&pid=125450309
Sheila Cook, age 62. Jan 2011
DBS operation (failure) to selective lobotomy https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/8279576/British-woman-cured-of-deep-depression-by-pioneering-surgery.html
“It was at this time she was referred by her doctors to the University of Bristol who together with colleagues at Frenchay Hospital, were pioneering a new style of deep brain stimulation.
This worked for a month or two but soon the suicidal thoughts returned. “
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As long as you call it medication you are screwed.
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“get the staff upset ” Yes , the cognitive dissonance in the mind of the jailer who thinks himself/herself a hero.
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To ask the SMI to exercise while they are drugging them is like asking your prisoner that you put balls and chains (weights) to exercise. Those in control are just as insane as those that they say are insane.
You take the drugs? No?
Exercise (voluntary) helps anyone and everyone. “Better to wear out than rust out.”Jack LaLanne
To find no evidence of benefit for those that do exercise is bizarre.
I walk every day, without chains.
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Deep Brain stimulation on two anorexia women was in the wrong spot or wrong voltage, or wrong frequency, or wrong method of stimulus ( reactive vs continuous vs when by choice) .https://ca.news.yahoo.com/twin-sisters-debilitating-ocd-dead-apparent-suicide-pact-194855023.html
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Like in war , the only wining move is not to play. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DGNZnfKYnU
When young I tried suicide as the solution to my psychiatric diagnosis. Get out and away from psychiatry if you want to live.
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poisons to control people , right
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“Psychotic” can be a rational fear, if living in a bad neighborhood. When you can not afford to lose a dollar ( for food and rent), yes it makes you jumpy and paranoid.
Eric Coates just wrote
“There are even some people who consider the whole practice of modern biological psychiatry to be a form of political oppression. When your problems are blamed on your brain (PSYCHOTIC), for instance, rather than taking into account an abusive childhood or, say, living in poverty and a dangerous neighborhood, all of which might be caused (as there is more abuse in impoverished environments) by the lack of work opportunities or a decent wage that are not being supplied by the capitalist corporations that control nearly our whole economy — well, when you defocus from someone’s environment and experiences like that, and just blame their brain for their problems (which is what you are essentially doing when you persuade or force them to take chemicals rather than address the actual circumstances of their lives), you are, actually, engaging in a form of social and political oppression. By distracting from the real problems, which we could address if we wanted to — things like abuse, poverty, etc. — you are actually reinforcing the status quo. You are supporting a kind of system of abuse and a kind of system of social oppression, in other words.”
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The brain can heal, but the person needs religion to be able to forgive what was done to them and the drugging of millions of others. If a person doesn’t/can’t forgive, the person would likely feel or be angry much of the time.
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I am not astounded by the need for invisible chains, since corporal punishment (visible damage) is no longer accepted. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporal_punishment
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The second part to this article is “THE PEOPLE THAT WORK FOR PSYCHIATRY, DO THEY THINK IT IS MEDICINE? OR ARE THEY JUST FOLLOWING ORDERS?”
Hitler only had power because he had people behind him. Bad Psychiatrists have the support staff behind them.
After the second world war many of the people working for Nazi’s said the excuse “I was just following orders”. “They would shoot me next had I not complied”
But no one questions those workers that follow and enforce bad psychiatry.
Most notable psychiatry TORTURE since the second world war as Project MKUltra.
“Victims of alleged LSD brainwashing experiments in Montreal plan to file lawsuit”
Dr. Ewan Cameron, a former psychiatrist at McGill University’s Alan Memorial Institute, conducted CIA-funded experiments in the 1950s and 1960s involving sleeping drugs, electroshock therapy and the powerful hallucinogenic LSD to see if the brain could be reprogrammed.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/victims-of-alleged-lsd-brainwashing-experiments-in-montreal-plan-to-file-lawsuit-1.3938614
I wonder about all the nurses and hospital workers that went along with following doctors orders.
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” include medication use as a potential confounding factor”
They have the rule that all schizophrenics must be drugged/medicated so they can not find any to study.
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This “brain changes in response to experience”can not be true or else they would have to ban Male genital mutilation (MGM) of infants.
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Before chained up there has to be a trial, same with “hospitals”. Who is the accuser of madness? Maybe the king and queen are the mad ones? Preventive justice of imprisonment creates the problem that was prophesied.
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if it is a magnetic ECT, it looks harmless. no one has complained of memory loss , died from the heart going into Asystole no one went into a continuous seizure.
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Get that machine off of me! 1:24 in Happy Happy Joy Joy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyJibB4cwec
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They convert sins into medical illness, then they don’t want the sinner shunned? Go to page 3 for the medicalize morals https://books.google.ca/books?id=2pduB22E43oC&lpg=PP1&pg=PP1#v=onepage&q&f=false
Like making water not-wet.
Then we also have voluntary seekers of medical attention (1) and the IN-voluntary (2), the difference of the two types of “patients” is never spoken of because psychiatry is supposed to be a science.
Making a different language (insults the common man can not understand) to make it seem like science.
http://www.blameitonthevoices.com/2009/10/fatness-of-ye-arse.html
Man: “M’lord, you have a fatness of ye arse.” [ The man is in a guillotine ] Header: Modern doctors: Doctor: “Mr. Prime Minister, you have acute steatopygia.”
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you are in the army!
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Again , it is who is in power who gets to define illness. If your loved one is using crack cocaine to excess, or alcohol to excess, and now computer/video games to excess you can hire a doctor to say they are ill. Does the person think they are ill? is part of the equation. What physical evidence of illness do you have? Does the person have an income? Does the person have their teeth? Too fat or too thin? too much sugar and salt in their diet…. whoops I went too far…
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kumininexile I am sorry you have difficulty reading the article and are so vain as to be able to post such a criticism as the first comment.
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Mark L. Ruffalo, LCSW July 1, 2018 at 5:02 am “people would still be dying of heart failure.”
No one dies from schizophrenia, if they did there would be pathology reports saying so.
“For if you suffer your people to be ill-educated, and their manners to be corrupted from their infancy, and then punish them for those crimes to which their first education disposed them, what else is to be concluded from this, but that you first make thieves and then punish them.” Thomas More
Everyone believes psychiatry’s lies of schizophrenia (Thomas More’s make thieves) and then psychiatry punishes ( you call help) the schizophrenic with drugs-chemicals, with societies blessing.
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Mark L. Ruffalo, LCSW June 30, 2018 at 10:43 am WROTE even the purest Szaszians would admit that there has been an abundance of research in the past few decades linking what is called “mental illness” with certain biological changes.
Researchers making lots of money. “A federal report calls for $4.5 billion in funding for brain research over the next 12 years”
Szasz thought people were moral beings with the ability to chose. Psychiatry transforms morals (sins) into medical problems.
Again , if the illness is physical in nature ( can be measured unbiased) , then it is no long mental, as in mental illness.
Szasz” The result of such discoveries is that the illness ceases to be a form of psychopathology and is classified and treated as a form of neuropathology. If all the conditions now called mental illnesses proved to be brain diseases, there would be no need for the notion of mental illness and the term would become devoid of meaning.”
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I would tell them you have to keep your thoughts secret unless you want to be jailed.
I remember when in hospital-jail, a co-patient woman was so upset she lost her privileges when she said (out-loud) that she was thinking suicidal. ” I am just expressing my feelings, what do you want me to do? Isn’t it healthy to talk about my feelings?”
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Don’t warn the schizophrenics.
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Do not forget the “antipsychotic”s.
The psychiatrists says the patient has anhedonia. They don’t feel pleasure.
This is after they medicated the patient with drugs designed to create dopamine problems in the brain.
After the persons/patient knows he/she is going to have a horrible life. You don’t feel happy with that knowledge? You don’t have hope? You don’t say…
Maybe the patient has the symptoms BECAUSE of the diagnosis and the drugs? No?
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It is a drug war. Use the correct drugs. We tell you what the correct drugs are. from the article ” people with mental conditions often self-medicate with drugs and alcohol, “
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When I was in school we were taught “Morals and Religion” educated mildly about all the different religions in the world. I hope they treat psychiatry as just another religion rather than a science.
People make choices rather than brain chemical imbalances make their choices for them.
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You wrote “…harms of medications? Yes. Should the decision be left up to the patient in distress? No.”
Wrong.
You can not prove what ever chemicals, are medications, they are just drugs. You would have to prove a physical aberration to justify applying a physical solution.
A piece of rope controls someone the same a chemical that stops someone from movement/action or thinking of action and movement.
Otherwise authority can lock people up and wait to see if they start to get better, or communicate better. Whats the problem in the first place?
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I was literally tortured by psychiatry at the age of 19 on my first breakdown,( now 50). I was given drugs/forced drugs that made me unspeakably thirsty and tied into a bed/gurney. No lawyer. No court. No one to appeal to , to get freedom.
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How do you make your money Sylvain?
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A twisting of justice.
“It is better ten innocent Persons should be found sick-guilty and “helped” (tortured by psychiatric drugs and psychiatric prison), than that one sick-guilty Person should escape.” says Psychiatry.
the original
Sir William Blackstone, who lived from 1723 to 1780, “It is better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer.”
Second Rosenhan Experiment
“Rosenhan used a well-known research and teaching hospital, whose staff had heard of the results of the initial study but claimed that similar errors could not be made at their institution. Rosenhan arranged with them that during a three-month period, one or more pseudopatients would attempt to gain admission and the staff would rate every incoming patient as to the likelihood they were an impostor. Out of 193 patients, 41 were considered to be impostors and a further 42 were considered suspect. In reality, Rosenhan had sent no pseudopatients.
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“Related Articles” is missing . Psychosis= antipsychotic given or forced.
https://www.madinamerica.com/2015/04/antipsychotic-induced-sexual-dysfunction-reported/
https://www.madinamerica.com/2017/11/side-effects-stories-sexual-dysfunction/
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“Better to reign in Hell than to serve in Heaven.“wrote English poet John Milton of the devil. Is this true?
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250,000 to 440,000 https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/22/medical-errors-third-leading-cause-of-death-in-america.html
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The problem is no other country is calling in USA’s trillion dollars loans/debts, so there is unlimited money to spend.
Supposed to cost $1000.00 a day in a hospital for all the people working and infrastructure.
Google gave me this story today
“…hundreds of children in the care of DCFS who are held each year inside psychiatric hospitals for weeks or months, even though they have been cleared to leave.” https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2018/06/kids-psychiatric-hospital-illinois/561572/
Cheaper to give a $1000.00 monthly cheque to people then to jail/hospitalize them at a cost of$1000 a day. With outpatient forced drugging of course.
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If the neuropsychiatrist is going to place electrodes in the brain, where is he/she to place them (without brain imaging)? https://www.mdedge.com/psychiatry/article/126694/anxiety-disorders/whats-next-deep-brain-stimulation-ocd
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It doesn’t matter what color your skin is. Too many officers are too angry.
I think the police have to be screened for their psychological likelihood to be too angry.
Pinkish looking colored skin deaths
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Dzieka%C5%84ski_Taser_incident
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Sammy_Yatim
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/news/andreas-will-never-be-forgotten-chinnery-family-reflects-after-inquest-1.3487771
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left out the Drapetomania http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aia/part4/4h3106t.html
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Everyone hears voices but lie and say they do not.
Voice of hunger. Voice of thirst. Voice of needing to use the toilet. Voice of too cold/ too hot.
Voice of gluttony. Voice of lust. Voice of anger. Voice of greed.
Vices people hear https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_deadly_sins
Virtues people hear https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_virtues
You have the voice of compassion don’t you? Don’t you care for the children? The children need medicine for their mental illness don’t they? Making money selling drugs to the gullible.
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Greg wrote the “(medication)” . The drugs are not medication . There is no physical illness. The drugs are to subdue the person like a straitjacket would control them.
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If someone has the gold, someone has the cure/treatment. We would have to eliminate money as well.
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3 in 10 ? what? drop the zeros out of “a rate of around 30,000 per 100,000 people. “
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but that is Kitty’s only possible response, to like ECT. Can’t face the reasons for depression.
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Sounds like a treatment with better outcome possibilities than electroshock-seizures. Kitty Dukakis likes ECT.
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“…there are no more photos to be taken, the prison is chemical now.” a similar article https://www.magnumphotos.com/arts-culture/society-arts-culture/raymond-depardon-end-italys-asylums/
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Is the rat too thin or too fat? Is the rat sleeping and exercising ?
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Just before nine one one or nine eleven George Carlin asked for some excitement. He starts talking of it at 4 minutes 20 seconds in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKboodmEHTQ his dream of collapse is not happening.
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Visible horrors of Willowbrook took 20 years to end . The invisible horror of psychiatric drugs will not stop until the planet kick humans ass. More Floods, Fires, Famines and Pestilence.
The elderly in Nursing Homes have no voting power , no financial power etc etc.
“Revisiting the atrocities that once consumed the halls of Willowbrook State School in Staten Island – WARNING GRAPHIC CONTENT”
Sen. Robert Kennedy toured the grounds in 1965. Afterward, he described the horror he’d witnessed.Kennedy referred to Willowbrook as a “snake pit”
By 1986, only 250 residents still lived there; by September 1987, the last patients left the facility.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/atrocities-consumed-halls-willowbrook-school-article-1.3030716
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“if that violence was drug free.” People can be drug free, but they just quit psychiatric drugs, so are in withdrawal. No one blames the withdrawal from the psychiatric drugs a causative factor in crimes done when psychotic. A famous case in Canada is a man named Vince Li who had had previous experience with psychiatry and their drugs. He could not distinguish reality from imagination and killed – decapitated a person with a knife . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Tim_McLean
The holy psychiatric drug can not do anything bad to a human beings brain and thoughts, when going on , or going off of them. Psychiatry is the worship of magical chemicals and all must worship their God.
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How about the criminals that prescribe/force the legal drugs “that contribute to a psychotic episode”? Shouldn’t they go to jail? They made the decision to make the “patient” take drugs.
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To measure damage you need a before electroshock testing, to gauge the after effects, and who does this pre testing? ( to show evidence of harm, it is against the interest of those making money from electroshock) The court is rigged in favour of the defendants.
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The alcohol crashed the car, it wasn’t my fault. I can’t use that excuse? But i can say alcohol saved my life?
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Regarding “Delusions”, I know who the delusional people are. The delusional are those that call a prison a hospital. The delusional think they are helping the “ill” who are being continually drugged (medicated).
No government or society should put people in prison BEFORE a crime has occurred.
That psychiatry has gotten away with, and continues to get away with calling drugs “medicine” is criminal.
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You want a direct answer?
3 breakdowns, why did you have breakdowns? too much stress in the rat race? you MUST make money.
depression yes many people have depression and need to find a treatment.
see psychiatrist , should/shouldn’t do? I don’t see that anywhere
take drug, whatever is working for you , you do it
psychologist help , who said it was wrong?
Valium use on a continual basis is bad for the physical brain , like any drug used on a continual basis.
Cocaine alcohol Valium are drugs, you can take them if you wish.
cause of depression, are you kidding me? depression has been around since the dawn of time.
Giving to the poor, or poorer than you, used to make people feel good, otherwise known as charity. Giving people what they want https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charity_(practice)
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comment at the article THAT IS A LIE
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Kim Murphy Upper Arlington, Ohio
Why would someone with depression stop taking antidepressants? Are they cured? Of course not.
Medications such as Zoloft, in short, regulate seratonin. A shortage of seratonin causes depression. If you’ve not magically started regulating your seratonin production and reuptake on your own, your mood is going to be precisely what it was when you were prescribed the medication, if it was appropriately prescribed to start.
We don’t expect diabetics to wean themselves from insulin. This is no different. Self-tweaking meds is irresponsible and harmful.
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They say the drug is a medicine. I could say cocaine is a medicine and I need a bit every day for my brain chemical imbalance.
They are justifying their drug use by believing and claiming it is science.
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This is about drugs, not medicines. People have the right to like or dislike a drug.
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One day they will be able to make a image of you naked , from your DNA. What will people do then? LOL
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From the article “depends on infinite growth on a finite planet”. maybe the point.
You wrote ” So many take the meds ” . They are not meds. So many take the DRUGS and end up lobotomized.
What are the other animals on the planet doing? Choking on plastic and radioactive poison.
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RE “why psychiatrist can’t oversee the consequences of their actions”
The psychiatrist believes themselves a HERO, saving the patient from the future. The psychiatrist also gets paid money.
RE”don’t want the pill because they are poison” The patient has to be smart enough to lie, which the drugs may prevent the ability to do so.
Rosenhan said the only thing he could say was ” i am sick and getting better”, as it was what his captors/jailers wanted to hear.
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The SECOND non-existent impostor experiment
For this experiment, Rosenhan used a well-known research and teaching hospital, whose staff had heard of the results of the initial study but claimed that similar errors could not be made at their institution.
Rosenhan arranged with them that during a three month period, one or more pseudopatients would attempt to gain admission and the staff would rate every incoming patient as to the likelihood they were an impostor.
Out of 193 patients, 41 were considered to be impostors and a further 42 were considered suspect. In reality, Rosenhan had sent no pseudopatients and all patients suspected as impostors by the hospital staff were ordinary patients.
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Ditto “The problem is, the drugs DO have adverse effects on the brain.” No one knows if or when the brain can heal from the drugs.
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Arguing about the best drug is like asking which type of chain work best to control the prisoner? Plastic, Aluminum, copper , steel?
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Great article and great effort to get the information out, that the psychiatric drugs can make people worse.
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Another factor, choice with the success VS failure statistics .
In politics you have an electoral map for each government representative. Depending on how you cut the map up, you can get vastly different results.
Gerrymandering https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerrymandering
In this study of first-episode psychiatry patients, the start of the population was “out of a pool of 1,606 first-episode patients” , then they kept cutting the successful outcomes down to support their point of view. Then called the manipulation science.
“28 patients who couldn’t be found or refused to be interviewed” Dead patients and if the “patient” does not participate, the researcher takes them out of the science, for not being in the army(following orders) or worshiping those that issue the treatments. This is obviously bias. Another example is http://www.progressnp.com/article/patients-experiences-attitudes-towards-ect/
“Sixty patients, who had completed at least one course of ECT during the study period, were identified, of which eight people were deceased (not related to ECT: either due to old age or physical ailments), 11 refused to take part, six could not be traced and five could not take part due to significant cognitive impairment. At the end, our final study sample constituted 30 patients.”
In genuine medicine, if the patient has cancer , the doctor has the real statistics on survivor rates. The doctor gives the patient the choice of going for a treatment for say a 50/50 odds of success.
But in psychiatry the “patient” is usually not given the choice in what ever the supposed ” science” they have to back up the efficacy of the drugs.
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“we don’t know enough yet. ”
Right, not
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Medical-device-regulators
VNS similar to DBS
“How safe is your medical device? Even regulators don’t really know”
Dennis Fegan had a Vagus Nerve Stimulator (VNS) implanted in 2000.
“…. by 2006, he was repeatedly collapsing and losing consciousness. In July of that year he ended up in an ER after his parents found him passed out in his home.
According to Lenzer, doctors discovered that the VNS wasn’t stopping Fegan’s seizures: it was stopping his heart.
Doctors deactivated his VNS, but Fegan was never able to sue the manufacturer, Cyberonics, because a U.S Supreme Court ruling prevents patients from taking device-makers to court over FDA-approved devices.”
http://www.cbc.ca/radio/whitecoat/how-safe-is-your-medical-device-even-regulators-don-t-really-know-1.4577995
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“They hurt you at home and they hit you at school
They hate you if you’re clever and they despise a fool
Till you’re so fucking crazy you can’t follow their rules
A working class hero is something to be”― John Lennon
As bad behaviours used to be choices and by that reasoning sins. If the public did not like a specific sinner they stoned them( threw rocks) at the person . Then about 2000 years ago Jesus taught forgiveness.
Today , as bad behaviours may be resulting from the psychiatric drugs affecting the mind (paradox of drugging the present moment to prevent a possible bad future), the confidence trick is perfect. You learn from your mistakes, you do not take a magical pill to correct them. It is inherit in mankind to make mistakes.
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benzo, as no such thing as psychotic molecule.
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The trick is to not upset the naturally – normal balance in the first place. Prove there is a disease first.
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RE” oil slick down the hill I’d been successfully climbing.”
How much is too much or too little? What impartial evidence do you have of disease? Like photographic proof?
You can’t put too much gas on a fire.
Yo can’t put too much cheese in a sandwich.
You can’t put too much water in a nuclear reactor. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JrIYR8jArk
You can’t give too much medication/drugs to a patient.
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RE: Rename it “therapy”
Yes that is happening here. Where the precrime of psychiatric drugging and jail-hospital and freedom of thought collide.
Is it religion or is it mental illness?
(spoiler: he performed criminal actions)
Staff and a psychiatrist at l’Éclusier talked about his case. They decided Couture-Rouleau did not need to see a psychiatrist because the 24-year-old refused to believe he was sick. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/family-of-slain-quebec-soldier-condemns-incompetence-of-mental-health-workers-who-saw-killer-before-attack-1.4185158
In his report, Coroner André-H. Dandavino highlighted how Couture-Rouleau’s father tried in vain to get treatment for his 25-year-old son as he descended into mental illness. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/martin-couture-rouleau-psychiatrists-respond-1.4118498
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You can’t see the paradox in your writing can you? If you are not sick you can not seek help(so you must be sick), you can not get attention you want ( who is paying?) Nightmares come from the unconscious mind , not a medical-physical illness, nightmare come froma fear or a guilty conscious that needs to be confronted, not drugged away.
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RE”How to make psychiatry illegal”
The only way a psychiatrist can torture someone is if the psychiatrist has them in a prison, otherwise the person who does not like the “treatment” would run away.
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“Is it to keep them quiet? Is it to keep them compliant? Is it a doctor who doesn’t know better? I think it is all of these reasons.’’
“Doesn’t know better?” To force or give so much drugs to some one to cause them to die is murder.
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Shrinks can not prescribe any “medicine” then if they can not participate in torture.
Why the anesthesia before electroshock? Could the seizure and electricity be harmful to the body?
and anyone remember this
Treatment at Ontario mental health facility was ‘torture,’ judge rules
https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2017/06/08/treatment-at-ontario-mental-health-facility-was-torture-judge-rules.html
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Trying to sell more drugs or trying to sell less drugs?
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I love the camel cartoon with the multiple factors weighing down!
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Regarding ““Less Psychiatry Means Less Shootings.”
In the article ” He was regularly taking medication for A.D.H.D. ”
What would they do for his ADHD without medication? Would he be responsible for his inattention? Could a doctor say ” No that’s not a medical issue, sorry” No the doctors would not, the doctors HAVE to treat their patients complaint.
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As long as the public believes the psychiatric drugs are medicine , everything will continue. In God we trust. In drugs we trust.
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Vince Li was probably made crazy by psychiatry before the crime. “The psychiatrist Stanley Yaren, who later examined Li, said Li was hospitalized in 2003 or 2004” crime date July 30, 2008.
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RE:abolishing psychiatry: you cant abolish a religion. People willingly follow the religion of psychiatry for fear of themselves, their possible future actions. Removing psychiatry from the law is possible. No more insanity defenses.
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Withdrawing from benzos I have had panic attacks.
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How do you explain a first severe panic attack . A bad experience in the past No.1 , No.2 not enough gradual increase in training difficulty.
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“….You must believe you are mentally ill or we can’t help you.” http://www.successfulschizophrenia.org/articles/dblbinds.html
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Bible , because psychiatry IS a religion. You must believe the drugs are medicine , and that you need medicine. There are no psychotic molecules, virus or bacteria for an antipsychotic to affect.
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The science they claim is falsified. No https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=VIIQVll7DYY
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De-mystify psychiatry?, never mind the man behind the curtain. https://i.ytimg.com/vi/xHaJKKugoqw/maxresdefault.jpg
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another image of the vampire in mirror https://s3.amazonaws.com/lowres.cartoonstock.com/entertainment-count_dracula-vain-mirror-entertainment-entertainers-amc0079_low.jpg
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Like a vampire, so vain they can not see themselves in a mirror.
https://www.cartoonstock.com/cartoonview.asp?catref=mcan1657
The numbers of mentally ill conflict with the idea the psych drugs are working.”from 1987 to 2007, the number of adults on federal disability due to mental illness rose from 1.25 million to 4 million, begging this question: Could our drug-based paradigm of care be fueling this epidemic?” https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/mad-in-america/201102/disability-in-the-age-prozac
Those working for psychiatry will also have an inability to see the problem due to Cognitive dissonance. They say things like brain damage from psychiatric treatment is a GOOD thing for the patient.
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“Needless annual heart tests” the amount of finding disease VS no disease has to be weighed. If it is you as the 1 in 1000 that is helped you do not think the test was needless.
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Yes, Metallica a cure for depression. Get angry!
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They got you either way. You don’t hear voices=you are an unfeeling sociopath /psychopath who is overconfident ( no imagination for empathy of others feelings), you do hear voices = you have some kind of mental illness that makes you dangerous, what if he/she listens to the voices?
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A prescription for heavy metal ha ha ha. I love it! I was into Metal music when I was younger.
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I loved the article.
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With the success of deep brain implants for depression they want to try other illnesses.
“From December 2014, seven patients (57 percent women) underwent surgery (in four cases the target was the nucleus accumbens and in three the subgenual area). The most remarkable changes included a progressive improvement in all patients of the social isolation type symptoms and auditory hallucinations. Two patients were dropped off the randomization phase because they presented a noticeable worsening of the symptoms when the generator was switched off. One patient presented complications related to the surgery. The study is currently under analysis and collection of patient outcomes and will be finished in 2017 after one more case is recruited. “
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the Simpsons clip has an image nearly identical to the cover photo of the depressed teen.
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Was there a trial to weight the evidence of a crime? Then you get a punishment. In psychiatry jail/treatment if you get a trial the court takes the psychiatrist opinion as fact. The mentally ill don’t get a lawyer because they say it isn’t a prison, it is medicinal treatment. The prisoners/patients are receiving medicinal treatment.
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The Simpsons Bart: Making teenagers depressed is like shooting fish in a barrel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWHoMyn0fXY
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That’s some really bad news. “Brain plasticity” was saying people can get better or recover back to their previous self.
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Julia wrote “become a waste of time to read or comment on articles here” It is as if flies , butterflies, and grasshoppers are caught in a spiders web and are complaining about the web. To break free of the web is most wanted. Some want to transform into a spider like the one that caught them. Some assist the spiders in catching and keeping the various life forms in subservience to the spider.
You know what all the other living creatures are doing on the planet are doing? They are having offspring. Ducks are making baby ducks, geese making baby geese, beaver making baby beaver etc. Who is having offspring?
Psychiatry is a slow motion “euthanasia” instead of a fast and quick death.
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Regarding “it is ridiculous to say that the Nazis would not have exterminated Jews without psychiatry.”
You will have to tell several authors who think differently.
Alessandra Colaianni,” A long shadow: Nazi doctors, moral vulnerability and contemporary medical culture”
http://jme.bmj.com/content/38/7/435.full
“No one wanted to admit to what extent they profited under the system and how none of this could have happened without the direct complicity of the German medical establishment,” Dr. Pross said in a telephone interview. http://www.nytimes.com/1992/11/10/technology/exhibition-examines-scientists-complicity-in-nazi-era-atrocities.html?pagewanted=all
Rael D. Strous, M.D. “Psychiatric euthanasia institutions served as training centers for the Schutzstaffel (SS) who used the experience to construct larger killing centers (Auschwitz, Treblinka, etc.). The psychiatrist Dr. Imfried Eberl, Treblinka’s first commandant and the only physician to command a death camp, established the facility following his experience as superintendent of Brandenburg Psychiatry Hospital (2).” https://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/full/10.1176/appi.ajp.163.1.27
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You will commit a crime! So we must help you before you do.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ta1HBizg0Yk&feature=youtu.be&t=1m36s
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The death of psychiatry starts with number 4 on the list.
4. State laws would be changed to eliminate all references to psychiatrists or their current legally defined functions.
All court cases would be judged on facts that have happened first, not the reason WHY they (what crime? ) happened first.
No one should be sentenced BEFORE they commit their crime they will do in the future.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEVQ2oOOofE
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“He is just selling a book” the elite stand on a pyramid of power, so the base (that supports false science) must be removed . As the wizards/doctors fight amongst themselves, where do they get their power from? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramid_of_Capitalist_System
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“The United States invests a sizable amount of money on treatments for mental health and substance abuse: $135 billion in 2005, or 1.07 percent of the gross domestic product.” https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21289350
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“if you’re only whispering, you’re not an ally.”
If you are only whispering, you are smart enough to know who has the power and the money.
Money
$18 Billion dollars a year in antipsychotics. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/25/health/a-call-for-caution-in-the-use-of-antipsychotic-drugs.html
$11 Billion dollars a year in antidepressants. http://www.apa.org/monitor/2012/06/prescribing.aspx
$10 Billion dollars a year in stimulant drugs. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/15/health/the-selling-of-attention-deficit-disorder.html?pagewanted=all
“In the 1970’s it was barely a 1 Billion dollar market.” https://books.google.ca/books?id=2DFLI2ib-1oC&lpg=PA43&ots=HEQREreIFM&dq=sales%20of%20tranquilizer%20drugs&pg=PA43#v=onepage&q=sales%20of%20tranquilizer%20drugs&f=false
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Thank you Dr Breggin for the article.
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This was on “the doctors” TV show today. As these doctors believe in the lie , that the psych drugs are in fact medicine, they are behind the tracking pill and support its use in the mentally ill. https://www.thedoctorstv.com/videos/can-a-pill-track-if-you-are-taking-your-meds
How do we psychiatric survivors speak-respond to such brain washing?
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They have a religious zeal for “medication adherence”. What if it is not medication the doctor is prescribing?
“positive outcomes”? Schizophrenia Positive Symptoms
Positive symptoms in schizophrenia refer to an excess or distortion or normal function. Positive symptoms are the ones most typically associated with schizophrenia or psychosis.
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From the article “I didn’t know who to turn to.”
What religion to turn to? The “Hare Krishna movement” or the religion of magical chemicals ( chem. lobotomies)?
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Thank you for your efforts at introducing science to psychiatry.
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My favorite drug. Any adult should not have to get a prescription from a doctor, like the drug alcohol.
But no one can grow this or brew this drug on their property, so those that manufacture it can control it.
War on Drugs vs The Medical Monopolization of Drugs – Psychiatrist Thomas Szasz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6spu2-Pwxc
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In adolescence , in males there is a 30 times increase of testosterone. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25151053
Like all animals that compete for females to have offspring, the male is supposed to show how smart, strong or skilled they are with this increase.
If the King(father) and Queen(mother) believe the (lies of the) quacks they will drug their child into following orders with horrible results.
Can’t overtly physically punish the children for wrong behavior, we have to invisibly punish with drugs (drugs called medicine).
http://nationalpost.com/health/canadian-children-now-take-far-more-mood-altering-drugs
253 prescriptions filled for every 1,000 youth under 18.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/mental-health-services-youth-1.4466903
In 2017, CHEO experienced a jump of 69 per cent in the number of young people needing mental health services, according to Pajer. The actual numbers will soon be released in CHEO’s year-end update.
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That is great!
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Seconded. stop calling the drugs ” medicine”.
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Unless they want to come to a consensus on which chains are best for the dog. Are aluminum chains better or steel chains better for the dog?
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If the drug dealer is not selling his drugs to persons A, B, and C , what is his incentive to find and report on the A, B, and C persons? The drug dealer has persons D to Z to sell his drugs to.
If the drug dealer finds people are not enjoying his drugs he will be disheartened and sad.
It is a conflict of interest to find out how people/patients recover, when you are selling drugs(medications for mental illness) for life.
“empower patients” this is a lie. The whole point of the drugs is to dis-empower the patient, to make the person compliant and malleable. They are selling a religion of magical chemicals and do not want to find out the truth, that there are no brain chemical imbalances for drugs to correct.
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Sorry Dr. Scott Shannon, another critical comment, as mostly the angry will be motivated to respond, not the happy.
If everyone (adult) is a willing participant in a MDMA treatment, caveat emptor, obviously that is fine.
However , Psychiatry is known to jail people and force them against their will to be treated. Though forced MDMA would likely be better for a persons brain function and memories than a session of ten or so Electroshocks prescribed-forced on the severely saddened.
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You write ” a chemical molecule will finally bury the chemical imbalance theory” and “we have growing evidence that antipsychotic medication damages the frontal lobes of the brain”
Without the chemical imbalance theory for schizophrenia the psychiatrist has no justification for “medicating”(poisoning) their ill patients with antipsychotics, so psychiatry can not bury the imbalance theory.
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There is no police force, no internal affairs for psychiatry.
With no body of oversight to enforce rules , like the Nuremberg code “Required is the voluntary, well-informed, understanding consent of the human subject in a full legal capacity.” what person has ever been charged? Psychiatry will do whatever it wants as it answers to no one.
Dr. Jeffrey Lieberman broke the Nuremberg code and no one charges him, just like when Bernard Madoff was allowed to continue his scheme with Harry Markopolos’s criticism. http://content.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1877181,00.html
From Wikipedia article on Lieberman.
“Methylphenidate challenge as a predictor of relapse in schizophrenia.” Authors Jeffrey Lieberman, Kane JM, Gadaleta D, Brenner R, Lesser MS, Kinon B. Am J Psychiatry. 1984 May,141(5):633-8
“Prediction of relapse in schizophrenia.” Authors Jeffrey Lieberman,Kane JM, Sarantakos S, Gadaleta D, Woerner M, Alvir J, Ramos-Lorenzi J. Arch Gen Psychiatry. 1987 Jul 44(7):597-603
“Behavioral response to methylphenidate and treatment outcome in first episode schizophrenia”. Authors Jody D, Jeffrey Lieberman, Geisler S, Szymanski S, Alvir JM. Psychopharmacol Bull. 1990;26(2):224-30
Mood responses of remitted schizophrenics to methylphenidate infusion”]. Authors Robinson D, Mayerhoff D, Alvir J, Cooper T, Jeffrey Lieberman. Psychopharmacology 1991;105(2):247-52
“Methylphenidate response, psychopathology and tardive dyskinesia as predictors of relapse in schizophrenia.”Authors Jeffrey Lieberman,Alvir J, Geisler S, Ramos-Lorenzi J, Woerner M, Novacenko H, Cooper T, Kane JM. Neuropsychopharmacology. 1994 Oct,11
The behavioral effect of m-chlorophenylpiperazine (mCPP) and methylphenidate in first-episode schizophrenia and normal controls.” Authors Koreen , Jeffrey Lieberman, Alvir J, Chakos M. Neuropsychopharmacology. 1997 Jan;16(1):61-8
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Regarding cause of death, they cook the books to start with, to cover their asses. Like few police would bust/accuse a fellow officer of crime, few doctors bust other doctors. https://www.madinamerica.com/2014/02/uk-mans-death-medication-side-effects-ruled-natural-causes/
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No way will schizophrenics make past 65 years old with the 20 year average shorter life span. I hope to make it to 60 years old at best/ most optimistic.
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And the global map is screwy because north of the Canadian-American border there are fewer cities and fewer people which would make “psychosis” zero persons per square mile.
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They are making money, which is what it is all about.
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“psychosis,” as defined by the ICD-10 diagnostic criteria,
I wish there was a real test for psychosis.
George Carlin said he was angry , the rich and the elite call the poor persons anger “psychosis” for not accepting the shick they are forced to eat, smell and handle. Not following orders? you are psychotic.
Higher the human density, the higher the rate of anger? You are driving me crazy!
“The owners of this country don’t want that. They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed well educated people capable of critical thinking. That doesn’t help them. What they want are “Obedient Workers” People who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paper work and just dumb enough to passively accept the low paying chitter jobs with the reduced pension and reduced benefits.” ADULT LANGUAGE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RhIxxvYtRE
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Regarding “I knew a man in a group home who kept yelling at his voices, “F___ you, XXXXs!”
The question you have to ask is “Was he like this before psychiatry, before psychiatric drugs had affected his brain?” more and more drugs is not the solution.
From living in the noisy city I too can yell “F___ you, XXXXs!” but if I am in the silence and serenity of land that is outside the city I feel much better.
If I had a disease like cancer that was aggravated and stimulated to grow when living in the city , doctors would recommend leaving the city. But in psychiatry the living situation (environment) of the “patient” is ignored.
What is aggravating and stimulating some ones “mental illness”? I would say noise pollution of the industrialized city.
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Excellent article everyone should print out and keep with them for times of confrontation.
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A new study on the effects on the patients thoughts and feelings. http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/21507740.2017.1320319
Patient 09 stated: “I felt I was 15 years younger after the operation … I felt so strong and confident … I could do anything … I felt so good I tried to move the pool table and I ruptured the disc in my back … I blame DBS for that because I felt so good, I did something that I couldn’t have done when I was 21 and I don’t know why I thought I could do it when I was 54 … I was in a wheel chair for 2 months.”
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I am sorry you lost your daughter. The distinction between drug and medicine(medication) must be known.
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I don’t know what this comment is doing here Fiachra. There needs to be more of an explanation.
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“as I said before, I would probably be dead years ago.”
Whose hand would have done it?
“In psychiatry, however, one set of rules is used to explain sane behavior and another set of rules is used to explain insane behavior: sane behavior is attributed to reasons (choices), insane behavior to causes (diseases).” http://www.academyanalyticarts.org/szasz-mental-illness
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Medicine is for legitimate disease. You take a drug that damages the higher brain functions, where a persons subconscious mind lives. Bad thoughts and bad feelings used to be attributed to sins, as in the choice to think bad thoughts of suicide. If you don’t control your thoughts who does?
You obviously have never experienced torture from mental health professionals, like I have for the fictional illness of “schizophrenia”.
Have you been tied to a gurney? Been poisoned to feel an insatiable thirst, then been denied water for your third? Jailed without trial on the presumption of guilt of future crime?
schizophrenia is an iatrogenic illness. I am a perfect example of it.
Brainwashing is what happens when they first hospitalize/jail the mentally ill patient, for the several months of ” treatment”.
When given the stigma of a “serious mental illness” hope is lost. With no hope the person does not look after themselves for a potential mate ( wife/husband) and the psychiatric drugs make and keep the ” patient” stupid. Stupid enough to follow orders.
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Thank you for writing “It is misleading and damaging to have patients believe that something is genetically wrong with their brains. “
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What is it about? Evolving a race of sociopaths http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/2009-10-23
By 2050, there will be more plastic than fish in the world’s oceans, study says https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/01/20/by-2050-there-will-be-more-plastic-than-fish-in-the-worlds-oceans-study-says/
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” psychiatric medications adversely affect one or more of the three phases of normal sexual response: desire, arousal, and orgasm.” https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20668442
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I don’t know if you remember the Nazi’s.
The cost and the time to stop your enemy from reproduction.
“Radiation
The usual surgical methods, according to Brack, were “out of the question because it takes too long and is too expensive.” But Brack had a preferred suggestion for performing the sterilizations using “castration by X-rays.” For obvious reasons, Himmler had a preference for sterilization methods that would be least apparent to the victims. http://large.stanford.edu/courses/2017/ph241/payzer2/
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Q “How long will it take ?” When they admit the psychiatric drugs are not medicine, which is never.
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“All participants with schizophrenia were currently prescribed psychiatric medication”, no schizophrenic patients undrugged?
Those in authority call the drugs medicine, then the patients can not be deprived of a medicine. My third reference at the bottom of this comment “Ho acknowledges that his study is marred by the lack of a placebo control group — for ethical reasons, patients cannot be deprived of the medications they need”
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“Many large studies comparing participants with schizophrenia to control subjects have confirmed significant neurocognitive deficits, with individuals diagnosed with schizophrenia performing about one standard deviation below the norm.”
All the schizophrenics must be geniuses because of only a one point drop in IQ from the psychiatric drugs.
1) Using Imaging to Look at Changes in the Brain. The big finding is that people with schizophrenia are losing brain tissue at a more rapid rate than healthy people of comparable age. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/16/health/research/16conv.html
2) “”I looked at this test and I couldn’t have filled it in to save my life. It would have been easier to climb Mt Everest.” http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10565099
3) Antipsychotic drugs could shrink patients’ brains. the(brain) reduction is greatest in patients who stay on the drugs the longest . http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110207/full/news.2011.75.html
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Trying to force people to respond the “correct” way, instead of reasoning with people and asking what they think. Since 1946 trying to force the brain. http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.3181/00379727-63-15650
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“the public has a right to be safe.” Yes , if a person is a proven criminal perhaps the current sentencing time is too short?
Otherwise society should not put people in jail BEFORE they commit their crime.
society should not put people on drugs (called medicine) BEFORE they commit their crime, as the drugs usually increase the odds of crime occurring. The drugs damage the brain, they do not “help” it.
As the people believe the drugs are medicine and not drugs, I think more medicine will be prescribed or forcefully issued.
Only when everyone knows psychiatry prescribes drugs, not medicines, might some kind of sanity occur.
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https://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/news/uc-scientists-awarded-more-9-million-federal-brain-initiative
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Math joke.
A mathematician is taking his written exam to become a firefighter.
The second to last question is: you come to a burning building, what do you do?
Put the fire out, he answers.
The last question is,”You come to a building you’ve been called to, but it’s not on fire, what do you do?”
Set it on fire, he answers.
Later, the examiner calls him in to ask about that last answer. Why would you set it on fire?
Because, says the mathematician, then it’s reduced to a problem I know how to solve.
I think you are smart enough to carry the analogy over to psychiatry and a patient they have to treat.
Setting the building/patient on fire/ forcing drugs on them ( a physically healthy person), because then the situation is reduced to a problem they have been trained to solve.
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otherwise
Tyrants never give up their power voluntarily.
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From a book of the year 2010 on the seizure in electroshock.
https://books.google.ca/books?id=mdZgigRi2OUC&lpg=PA184&ots=qtgst9-i_I&dq=electroconvulsive%20therapy%20how%20to%20tell%20seizure%20occured&pg=PA184#v=onepage&q=electroconvulsive%20therapy%20how%20to%20tell%20seizure%20occured&f=false
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I will just state the violation of someones mind-brain with involuntary electroshock is wrong.
Supposed doctors induce a seizure on the brain.
Voluntary VS involuntary electroshock patient is the critical point here, as patients did seek “paroxysms” .
From 1953 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/13179226
https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/paeb9k/doctors-created-vibrators-after-growing-tired-of-masturbating-hysterical-women.
Today they directly “stimulate” the brain with electricity (instead of stimulating the genitals, nerves in genitals give sensation to the brain) , and then the “medicinal” treatment can be applied to both male and female “patients” in the guise of science.
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The foundation is that people believe the psychiatric drugs are medicine, and they do. Bad behaviour is not a choice but something to be “corrected” by magical chemicals.
Who ever has the gold/money makes the rules. If you have a source of gold/money from providing a service, both the provider and the person/company paying want the deal to continue.
If you are not causing trouble then those in authority will/would have no reason to force a court ordered depot injection or use these new smart pills that tell if the criminal-who-isnt-acriminal has consumed them.
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In the big picture of humans on the planet.
Once women have the knowledge and access to inexpensive birth control they tend not to have children. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_fertility_rate#United_States
In Canada , my country, we have a 1.6 rate birth rate , where we would need a number closer 2 to equal out births and deaths . https://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/11-630-x/11-630-x2014002-eng.htm
As psychiatry has successfully converted the act of sinning ( all humans are imperfect/ make mistakes/ basically animals: as in: we need to breath, eat, and sleep like any animal) into psychiatric disease, psychiatry will never run out of new clients to treat.
IMO the only solution to forced drugging is that psychiatry has to be exposed as a religion. There are no brain chemical imbalances . There is no psychotic molecule, virus or bacteria for an antipsychotic to affect.
It is all about following orders from those who have the gold/money.
Make them prove you are not following orders.
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Psychiatry’s diagnostic criteria is the same as religions diagnostic criteria, where religion has vices and virtues defined. Psychiatry sells drugs for its judgements of disease, in religion the sinner/patient might give money to the church to try to find forgiveness/atonement.
Psychiatry writes your sins down on paper never to be forgotten, while in religion it is up to the individual to remember or not remember their failings . Patients have to make a request for their psychiatry files, not given information, they have to figure out what is “wrong” on their own while the “doctor” watches and laughs.
That 70’s Show – Eric and Donna’s Revenge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udlCddXffeo
Transcript.
Eric and Donna are still in the basement
KELSO (coming down the stairs): Okay, you guys. That was a wicked burn. It had all the elements: You didn’t see it coming, parts of it really hurt…
ERIC: Well, Kelso, I’m glad you enjoyed it.
KELSO: Oh, I did (2:34 EATS ANOTHER DRUGGED BROWNIE) I got my eye on you two. You’re not gonna burn me like that again.
DONNA: I love our friends.
ERIC: Me too.
The character Kelso at the end of this is the average patient on psychiatric drugs. The doctor keeps prescribing the drugs and laughing.
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“…a family member or friend has a more “objective” understanding of the effects of psychotropic drugs.” they (family/friend) don’t have to take the drugs/ do not know the effects of the drugs, so would rather have the angry person drugged.
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Silicon Valley is engineering your phone, apps and social media to get you hooked,
Anderson Cooper: Is Silicon Valley programming apps or are they programming people?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/brain-hacking-tech-insiders-60-minutes/
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Psychiatrists like to call people paranoid, when in fact people can be out to get your money (if you have any). Myself I carry a camera when ever in public, If someone starts messing with you , you can take still photos or a video. These photos or videos are for your own peace of mind . To know what you experience was real or not.
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The drugs are not medication.
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Thank you for continuing the debate on the efficacy of the psychiatric drug “antipsychotics”.
Myself I was tortured by psychiatry on my first admission to psychiatry with the use of “antipsychotics”. I endured the sensation of extreme thirst and did not have access to water or a bathroom. I was tied to a bed/gurney.
Today thirty years later , I do not take psychiatric drugs and I am relatively stable . “Stable” meaning out of psychiatric hospital for several years. The relapses in “mental health” I have had , have reasons , not brain chemical imbalances ( to be corrected by a magical chemical-antipsychotic).
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If there is nothing physically wrong, then there is nothing physical to give or to force onto someone.
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Myself , as a supposed schizophrenic, I enjoy the information of that biological psychiatry’s days are numbered at time index 17:08 of the audio.
Another highlight for me is at time 19:16 the ideas of Thomas Szasz is mentioned. If they find proof in the genes then its neurological disease not mental illness.
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yes i second stay away. and yes secretly taper or go cold turkey as others beliefs of relapse/belief in false Gods ( the magical holy molecules of science that can only do GOOD) can influence you the “patient”. Pretend everything is normal and fine until it becomes true.
A large part of human interaction is subconscious, visual and vocal aspects. If you think fearful, your face will show fearful and the person observing will be affected. Same goes with anger, if you feel angry your face will show it and people will respond to it.
There is a chance of relapse but as long as I monitor myself, my stability and take action if something is wrong, there is no need to drug the present moment in time out of fear of a possible bad future.
Taking drugs continually came from the discovery and application of penicillin.
“The best available treatment, sulpha drugs, had been administered to little effect. His left eye became infected and was removed on Feb. 3, 1941. The infection then spread to his lungs and shoulder. He was in great pain, with his scalp, face, arms and eye suppurating. Heatley’s diary puts it starkly: he was “oozing pus everywhere.”
On Feb. 12, 1941, he was given 200 milligrams of penicillin intravenously – the largest dose yet – followed by 100 mg every three hours for a total of four injections. Within 24 hours there was dramatic improvement. After a further four injections, his temperature was normal and his appetite returned. He was on the way to recovery. Tragically, the supply of penicillin was exhausted. Ten days later, Const. Alexander began a slow decline, which ended in his death from septicemia three weeks later.
The lessons, for those who watched helplessly, were clear. Continue treatment until the infection is eliminated. Accumulate enough penicillin so that you can do so.” https://www.thestar.com/news/insight/2007/05/06/penicillins_discovery.html
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REM sleep is affected by “antipsychotics”.https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18840034
People with a hammer justifying their use of a hammer.
My worst nightmare is being in the prison-that-isnt-a-prison called a hospital. and in prison they don’t or cant force you to take poison for a figurative illness.
Maybe nightmares of previous “treatment” and possible future “treatment” are keeping people from sleeping well.
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Teaching that genes cause ‘mental illness’
you first make thieves and then punish them.
For if you suffer your people to be ill-educated, and their manners to be corrupted from their infancy, and then punish them for those crimes to which their first education disposed them, what else is to be concluded from this, but that you first make thieves and then punish them.
Sir Thomas More, Utopia, Book 1
English author, courtier, humanist, & saint (1478 – 1535)
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no profit in it to drug manufacturers to fund such a study.
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I love your work Jay Joseph.
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There are no studies that prove antipsychotic-neurolyptics are better than Benzodiazepines’s for “crisis”.
I remember the torture.
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“…we don’t research drugs for mental illness anymore.”
Psychiatry would have to get its story (lies) straight.
Applying a physical treatment for a non-physical illness is crazy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_psychiatry#Criticism
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No one knows you have a SMI label, so pretend you do not, unless in court under oath.
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http://content.time.com/time/covers/0,16641,19300324,00.html
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If you believe in something, it can come true. The nocebo effect is when you believe you are ill from an authority telling you , “You are ill”.
You can see, type and write intelligently, so therefore you are intelligent. Do not not let worry affect your logical mind of reason. Stay physically active, as in get out of the apartment/house every day. If you appear to to functional and stable, you ARE functional and stable. One day at a time I declare victory.
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In the report its written “The suicide rate in schizophrenia between 1875 and 1924” D. HEALY, M. HARRIS, R. TRANTER, P. GUTTING, R. AUSTIN, G. JONES-EDWARDS, A. P. ROBERTS
The British Journal of Psychiatry Feb 2006, 188 (3) 223-228; DOI: 10.1192/bjp.188.3.223
In the time before medical science had microscopes and the four blood types identified, I expect at least half of the mentally ill of that time had physical diseases affecting the mind/brain/feelings/thoughts ( as a reason for their misbehavior).
“…by June 1918, Bruce Robertson (19) had observed three cases of fatal hemoglobinuria in 100 transfusions. Later in the war, preliminary blood grouping became the rule, but, when there were no facilities for laboratory work, his suggestion of a test injection was generally used, particularly in emergencies. If no symptoms occurred within 1 or 2 minutes after the injection of 15 to 20 cc. of donor blood, it was thought safe to proceed with the transfusion.”
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How many SMI seriously mentally ill have children? No one talks of this.
That IS what animals do. Eat food , and reproduce.
With the label and psychiatric drugs the person can not find employment and does not have a reason to work without a family.
It IS a jungle out there and almost everyone is working for their own interests.
The most surprising is when your own family wants you drugged out the the fear of the unknown future/fear of mental illness. The King and Queen want to stay in power and will do anything to keep it.
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It is like locking people with chains and heavy balls then complaining the person-patient can’t run and jump, when they the “DOCTOR” have applied the restraints.
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Before psychiatric drugs-medication I was a reader of books. I have a fair sized collection of books from that time. Today I don’t read ( I find the world too noisy) and I wonder if the drugs affected my brain.
A reading test is one that no animal study can duplicate.
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Do they test for lead? “Children suffer from lead poisoning in 3,000 U.S. neighborhoods” https://www.cbsnews.com/news/lead-poisoning-children-neighborhoods-us-flint-michigan/
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Are you following orders? Good. Then you do not get “keeping people against their will in jailswards which are often unpleasant and sometimes frightening, and where often the only help on offer is drugsmedication “.
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Electroshock IS evidence based. In the evidence they remove anyone who does not like the treatment, was injured by the treatment or was killed by the treatment. Then they can call it a success.
By their own statistics 16 (11+5) out of 60 have a terrible experience with electroshock. “11 refused to take part” + “five could not take part due to significant cognitive impairment” http://www.progressnp.com/article/patients-experiences-attitudes-towards-ect/
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Great work!
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I am not against suing companies for damages, just saying even if money is recovered, money can’t fix it.
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maybe those in power DO know it is a scam. putting people in jail before they do crime(psychiatry) and after they do crime. All the white collar jobs and paper pushers are employed, and the people subjugated.
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Can not solve, as in once some one knows the power of the drug, they can not forget it.
Philip Seymour Hoffman: Oscar for Capote at the 78th Academy Awards
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Seymour_Hoffman#Death_and_legacy
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Money can not solve the problem, just like if-when we humans destroy the ecosystem of the planet. Temperature extremes being so severe that life can’t exist, or we humans can’t grow food cheaply any more.
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I like evidence based medicine as the proof is in the outcome. When we had Lobotomies the proof was in the outcomes. How the promoters of Lobotomies got the Nobel prize I don’t know.
“Moniz reported that the patient seemed less anxious and paranoid afterwards, and pronounced the operation a success. ”
What about the patient? What did they think of the operation? Can they form the words or the thoughts necessary to complain?
If the evidence is arraigned to favour the treatment, which is done with electroshock , of course evidence based medicine DOES NOT WORK IF THE EVIDENCE IS FALSIFIED and there is no one with the power to question the foundation.
If the supposed doctor removes the patients ability (thought and action) to complain, that is not a successful treatment.
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Feelings (unlike thoughts) can’t be argued with , yes. Coming off of anti-anxiety drugs is a very tough feeling that can take days for minor improvement.
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I agree that “psychotic” is mostly fictional. The exception is when people are drugged with a mistaken thought in their head, and since drugged can not be reasoned with or self reflect on their chain of logic that lead to their error in thinking.
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Frank, I would not use Wikipedia as a reference.
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He/she is a witch! All a set up to make money. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrzMhU_4m-g
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Thank you for the article! I do not believe psychiatric drugs are medicines. My mind is not diseased.
Rational thought comes from a fully functioning brain.
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Dr. Moncrieff you quoted Szasz’s writing “We include many persons unable to control themselves”.
Medicalisation of morals https://fee.org/media/5232/0712szasz.pdf
Why are people unable to control themselves?
Szasz says that neither the pro-drug psychiatrists or the anti-drug psychiatrists treats the patient as a responsible moral agent.
Once a doctor starts drugging someone ( two kinds of patients, one wants “help”, the second type of patient does NOT want help). the doctor takes the freewill away from the patient as the drugs have physically altered the brain.
When a doctor declares someone unable to control themselves, then gives the person drugs that physically makes the person unable to control themselves, the doctor is making the future (predictions) come true.
A doctor has to have proof of physical disease first before they apply a physical treatment. Otherwise yes I do agree with locking up ( with due process) people who make serious threats of violence ( out of control people).
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Two of my mentally ill friends ( we spent time in hospital-prison together) are happy to be indentured to psychiatry or too stupid to realize they are indentured to psychiatry. The drugs called medicine may inhibit the cognition necessary to perceive and understand their indenturement.
Their cognitive liberty was crushed years ago.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQJb9PivYRU
Psychiatry is a perfect system but not to the government who has to pay all the bills without receiving genuine service/labour.
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Podcast 16 forum does not exist yet on the internet, so no one can comment at that location.
Regarding “Please feel free to email us with topic suggestions or post them in our forum.”
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Yes I had a troubled childhood.
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Dead from infection it is reported.
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Congratulations!
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it is neither male or female
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What is mental illness? It means different things to different people.
If you (the person) can ask the question “Am I mentally ill?”, weigh the pros and cons for a few moments, it means you probably are not.
stuttering can be recorded with todays technology and anyone listening to the recording would agree it is a problem in speaking. involuntary action. Mental illness? What?
Tourette’s syndrome I believe can be found by neurology, a physical defect of/in the brain. involuntary action. Mental illness? What?
sleep apnea, again measurable with scientific instruments that anyone looking at the documented evidence could perceive the problem in sleeping. involuntary action. Mental illness? What?
Judgement of sanity through the sight, the sound and the smell of the accused is quackery and will always be quackery.
Applying a permanent label is quackery and will always be quackery because people are continually changing from day to day, month to month, year to year. No injury goes unchanged. The injury either gets worse or gets better.
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“Paternalism is at work here.” No, I say it is the matriarchy. All punishment can not appear to be punishment. Hospital not a jail, Medicines not drugs are given. No specific fault or problem is confronted to avoid the possibility of violence.
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When the pro electroshock people write their scientific papers they leave out the dead and injured, the dead and injuries that may have come from the electroshock treatment.
“…eight people were deceased, 11 refused to take part, six could not be traced and five could not take part due to significant cognitive impairment.”
8+11+6+5= 30 out of 60 removed.http://www.progressnp.com/article/patients-experiences-attitudes-towards-ect/
149 total eligible patients, and missing 80 people, https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3336851/
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Did I need a comma? after “involuntary” ?
Put “voluntary seeking” in quotes?
Doctors give “help” according to the law and science so I use the term.
Overeating, a choice, was defined as a sin.
If atheist, who are you offending when you overeat?
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It is none of anyone business what others behaviours are.
Again involuntary and voluntary seeking help is overlooked.
Peoples sins are their own. If people choose to be depressed ( old sin of sloth) that is there choice. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_deadly_sins
Today gluttony is fast becoming a true medical condition. http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/health-hospital-obesity-bariatric-michaelgarronhospital-uofalberta-1.4305767
addiction to food http://www.cbc.ca/listen/shows/white-coat-black-art/episode/13982189
People go to a medical doctor for problems with their sins, the Fing doctor can’t tell them the truth.
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The message has to be kept as simple as possible so “we” do not appear crazy in our description of what is wrong.
For instance Torrey is a human brain hoarder , he collects hundreds or brains and can find nothing wrong with them. Except for the consequences to long term drugging.
Another
There is no psychotic molecule, virus or bacteria. Short and simple.
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Yes David, sorry for my first post being so negative.
In hindsight we the “mentally ill” should form demonstrations and educate the public we are friendly and do not deserve punishment. We do not deserve poison those in power call medicine.
We should ask the general public how they would feel if they were forced to take drugs/poison in the demonstration. but this fractures the mentally ill group, as some do, or have to take the drugs to stay “healthy”/mentally stable.
Exposure to sunlight as in exposing the truth is the way to go.
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The general public dislikes the mentally ill so much that they removed “so-called incurables” from the original “First they came for…”
1946 version “Dann hat man die Kranken, die sogenannten Unheilbaren beseitigt.”
Als Pastor Niemöller ins Konzentrationslager kam, schrieben wir 1937, als das Konzentrationslager aufgemacht wurde, da schrieben wir 1933, und die damals in die Konzentrationslager kamen, waren Kommunisten. Wer hat sich darum gekümmert? Wir haben es gewußt, es stand in den Zeitungen. Wer hat die Stimme erhoben, etwa die Bekennende Kirche? Wir haben gedacht: Kommunisten, diese Religionsgegner, diese Christenfeinde – “soll ich meines Bruders Hüter sein?” Dann hat man die Kranken, die sogenannten Unheilbaren beseitigt. –
otherwise in English
When Pastor Niemöller was put in a concentration camp we wrote the year 1937; when the concentration camp was opened we wrote the year 1933, and the people who were put in the camps then were Communists. Who cared about them? We knew it, it was printed in the newspapers. Who raised their voice, maybe the Confessing Church? We thought: Communists, those opponents of religion, those enemies of Christians – “should I be my brother’s keeper?” Then they got rid of the sick, the so-called incurables. –
http://www.history.ucsb.edu/faculty/marcuse/niem.htm#order
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I am taking the sidelines , thanks. There is no way of stopping their idiocy. Drugging people stupid then blaming them for being stupid, then continuing the drugging. https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=c0swAAAAIBAJ&sjid=bagFAAAAIBAJ&pg=6205%2C1412744
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“gives society further justification for manufacturing more and more such ‘losers’.”
This goes to people loving to judge and label others. 2000 years ago it used to be judging sins like adulterer , but back in that time they did not have inexpensive PAPER to write the sins down on. Today with technology, everyone’s mistakes (or alleged sins) are recorded forever on paper.
They priests/psychiatrist do their job mostly for the power , not the money. Otherwise doping people senseless and claiming it is medicine is an easy job with no one in power to critic the doping.
The drugs sold as medicines to prevent further mistakes, make tones of money. But people will always make mistakes. Worse mistakes when on drugs that affect rational thought, but this will lead to calls for more-better magical medicines.
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The foundation of the “what amounts to a medical curse” is where the curse/labeling takes place.
Does it take place in a hospital or in a prison?
Why was the person forced to hear/listen to the curse/labeling? In most cases they were in a prison called a hospital. Most cases “helped” by medicinal cement to prevent the performance of the wrong actions or behaviour. A punishment BEFORE the crime has occurred.
If a crime has not happened, then society can not imprison and drug physically healthy people ( no brain chemical imbalance), and give the subjects/”patient” (temporary and current) actions a permanent label/curse. Curse written down on paper so it can not be forgotten or forgiven.
Psychiatric survivors have to keep the duality of the hospital/prison in their mind their entire lives. When speaking to others who do not know psychiatry, must use the word hospital, but with other survivors might use the word prison.
Once you can logically question the legitimacy of where and who placed the curse, you can dampen its power.
In the Christian bible Jesus is reported to have said ” A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit”.
What kind of work do you do?
Psychiatrist’s poison people with drugs and give electroshock to make the victim/patient apathetic and indifferent.
“Apathy and indifference is the final result of all of the most potent psychiatric treatments.” Peter R. Breggin, MD
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Papers written for science, for the efficacy of electroshock are junk science when they leave 50% of the source patient/starting number out of the calculations. There is no Internal Affairs division in psychiatry like the police have to keep bad police in check.
“Sixty patients, who had completed at least one course of ECT”
+ “At the end, our final study sample constituted 30 patients.”
Leaving out 50% of the source. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/pnp.466/epdf
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“In 2015, there were an estimated 9.8 million adults aged 18 or older in the United States with SMI within the past year. This number represented 4.0% of all U.S. adults.” https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/statistics/prevalence/serious-mental-illness-smi-among-us-adults.shtml
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I know Robert Jay Lipton from the book “The nazi doctors: Medical killing and the psychology of genocide”
Bandy X. Lee, M.D. is the author of “The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump”
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Judging someones actions is a judgement of morals, which is religious and not medicine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_reasoning
If they were police judging his actions it would be criminal or legal actions they are trying to determine.
Morality (arbitrary judgement) pretending to be science.https://fee.org/media/5232/0712szasz.pdf
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I was given the description/diagnosis of severe mental illness at age 19 and I did try to suicide to escape from the feelings of pain/horror/despair. The psychiatric diagnosis gave me a final reason to end my life (no hope of a future) and the psychiatric drugs gave me a means of how to do it.
Obviously I survived.
In fear of the (unknown) future people poison themselves (with psychiatric drugs) in the present moment by choice or from the intimidation of their psychiatrist( pseudo mother/father authority).
Many people can have a much more productive life off of the psychiatric drugs that inhibit cognition and physical activity.
Doctors want their patients to be, to think smart and then poison the brain? That is crazy.
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A report of success. “Teenager’s sickle cell (disease) reversed with world-first therapy”
http://www.bbc.com/news/health-39142971
If genetic defects become commonly repaired then that is another reason to end coercive psychiatry.
There is no physical defect in the human being (brain) to justify forced treatment.
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How do you stop such idiots?
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Oh the poisoning works, it stops the patient/slabe from exhibiting any unwanted behaviour. The outside person such as the family is happy for the control. Who pays the psychiatrist? The schizophrenic is not paying the supposed doctor.
“People labelled by institutional psychiatrists as mentally ill are concurrently defined by the courts as less than human, in much the same way ‘Negroes’ in America were once defined as three-fifths persons. This is how Black people were, and people with mental illnesses are, deprived of liberty and justice by the state. Labelling of anyone as less than human is legal fiction, something false that is asserted as true, that the courts will not allow to be disproved. Just as defining Negroes as three-fifths persons served to maintain the institution of slavery, defining people as mentally ill serves to maintain the institution of psychiatry.
A person has a right to refuse treatment for cancer. A person does not have a right to refuse treatment for mental illness. If institutional psychiatrists are deprived of their power by the state to deprive mentally ill persons of their liberty, that is, if the state did not allow psychiatrists to enslave their patients in the name of liberating them, institutional psychiatry would go the way of slavery, as well it should.” wrote J. A. Schaler.
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Regarding “individuals using antipsychotic drugs had no documented psychiatric diagnosis.”
If I had a broken leg twenty years ago and I go to see the doctor, will he/she put a new cast on my healed leg? No, because too much time has passed. Similarly the application of psychiatric drugs on to people who had a history of taking psychiatric drugs is insane.
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And the science they report is falsified.
Imagine a dentist who treated 60 patients then only interviewed the 30 that survived his method of fixing teeth.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/pnp.466/epdf
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The public does not learn about the deaths and brain damage from electroshock for the foxs do not document them. Elsie Tindle, from Sunderland
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Age 18 and not responsible for your actions ?
“In physics, we use the same laws to explain why airplanes fly, and why they crash. In psychiatry, we use one set of laws to explain sane behaviour, which we attribute to reasons (choices), and another set of laws to explain insane behaviour, which we attribute to causes (diseases).” Szasz
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I looked quickly through it, and may have missed it, but I saw nothing on cause and effect of the drugs/medications. For example the patient gets a diagnosis then is forced or willingly takes drugs/medications for the non-physical illness. These drugs/medications then do make a person unwell.
Similar to the chicken and egg paradox, when withdrawing from the drugs is it mental illness returning or simply drug withdrawal?
Only a robot might have a perfectly even temperament.
Confidence trick. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confidence_trick
Exploiting the person and/or the families fear of madness ( madness returning).
The “wrong” thought or feeling stopped by drugs. http://momastery.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/whack-a-mole2.jpg
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“punishment rather than treatment”, you are kidding me right?
Losing your freedom without being accused of a crime is medicinal treatment?
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Regarding “Abolish forced treatment”
Forced treatment = Jail or putting people in jail BEFORE they commit crime.
As long as the insanity defense is valid in the legal system…
“Involuntary mental hospitalization and the insanity defense should be seen for what they are: symmetrical symbols of psychiatric power. In the one case, the psychiatrist “accuses” the innocent; in the other, he “excuses” the guilty.” (Szasz, 1982)
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The same happens to a mental patient if you lock them up in a rubber room, which is standard. People adjust to the environment they are in. https://www.wired.com/2015/05/big-question-can-silence-make-hear-things-arent/
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I wonder if this “psychological issues” belief correlates with the male/female sex of the doctor?
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If you can’t feed, cloth and have a home what do you do? Szasz said something like. Can you walk up to a prison and say “Let me in?” I need food and shelter.
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Thank you for the article. It makes me happy to support the MIA website for this publishing.
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a bad reaction to medication for the treatment of schizophrenia
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As a patient/inmate I had to do “Art therapy/occupational therapy” while poisoned ( can’t see, can’t talk, little hand control), or you don’t get our of prison/hospital. So I got no love for Art.
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Found it http://retractionwatch.com/2017/04/06/hello-newman-yet-another-sting-pranks-a-predatory-journal-seinfeld-style/
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I remember vandelay industries published a paper as well.
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The brain “working” during a MRI. https://www.wired.com/2004/04/brain-scans-arouse-researchers/
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In 1993 Richard Bentall went a bit mad.
He voluntarily took an antipsychotic drug and at first thought he’d get through unscathed.
“For the first hour I didn’t feel too bad. I thought maybe this is okay. I can get away with this. I felt a bit lightheaded”Then somebody asked him to fill in a form. “I looked at this test and I couldn’t have filled it in to save my life. It would have been easier to climb Mt Everest.”
That was the least of his troubles. https://davidhealy.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Richard-B-goes-Mad.pdf
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Opiated – The Tragically Hip
Well, the medicine man started seeing red
You think the snake just dreams up the poison in his head
Well, addicted to approval, addicted to the air
It was see if you like it or see you on up there
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1NNfBVCc10
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The Luxury-The Tragically Hip
Prison yard stares and fleur-de-lis tattoos
Cannibals are saving all their bones for soup
Eating with my fingers and sucking hulls of ships
My parasite don’t deserve no better than this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uc2bU0NECmc
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yes that is the correct answer, stay away from psychiatry. Only you can leave the equation, the “doctor” is compelled to keep helping. My two hands drawing each other icon image.
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https://www.google.com/search?q=%22fix+crazy%22+%2B+%22medicate%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
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Psychiatry is the new form of slavery.
Euripides, in “The Phoenician Women” wrote “Who dares not speak his free thoughts is a slave.”
Today’s slave owners do not even allow the slave a mind to think with.
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Normal people work a job for their family, house and car. The mentally ill generally do not have any children, do not have a house, do not have a car. What are they working for?
And without the rights of a normal person. Get sectioned for not obeying orders.
“The government envisaged that between 350-450 CTOs would be issued in England and Wales in the first year…. five months in which professionals were able to issue them, November 2008 to March 2009, there were 2,134 issued in England alone.” http://www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2014/10/07/community-treatment-orders-politics-and-psychiatry-in-a-cult
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This is a sarcastic comment, it is a prison.
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Great writing Alishia!
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its not a prison its a hospital, we are not drugging people we are giving people medicine, as its a hospital the prisoner-who-isnt-a-prisoner needs no rights, needs no Miranda rights. The system is perfect if it wasnt it wouldnt exist.
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And not bullshit cause of death reports like ” I’m going to say he died of natural causes and I’m satisfied he was well looked after.”” https://www.madinamerica.com/2014/02/uk-mans-death-medication-side-effects-ruled-natural-causes/
This coroner should lose his license to practice , but no one mentions lying on a report is ? criminal because he is being “kind” to the family. “Only lacking compassion (kindness) is still a sin.” wrote Thomas Szasz in his book Cruel Compassion.
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Every mentally ill patients causes of death has to be documented to stop the much shorter life span. From this articles act of violence to the bowel strangulation (passive aggressive killing). http://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/news/inquest-told-there-was-a-lost-opportunity-to-treat-mental-health-patient-who-died-following-severe-constipation-1-5244246
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Keep on the dope buddy! Look, I’m getting paid to sell the dope! You can get paid also. The whole world should be on dope!
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Q “What kind of society would permit this assault on its children? ”
The “help” for the children is done one by one individually, so it is not perceived as an assault.
All doctors are guilty for allowing the drugs to be called medicine. The medicine has to be declassified as medicine.
It is a society of sheep following orders. If a person gets angry, they are mentally ill and need medication.
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drug, not medicate “drug the emotions out “
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There is no counter voice to say “No, this child does not have ADHD.”
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Legal drugs of alcohol and tobacco are used , so I have no problem with people taking prescription drugs to cope with life. Power and control of the dope dealer is the problem.
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Like quitting smoking, I support cold turkey quitting , though I do not think it is easy at all.
The longer on the drug the more damage is occurring to the brain. A person usually heals from injury, electroshock included.
“The main outcome of interest will be social functioning along with relapse, side effects, employment, and costs”
Regarding employment, F U ! What does a SMI person want with employment? I will work for those that tortured and jailed me unjustly? You got to be kidding me.
You going to remove the SMI status from my medical files? Give me years of my life back that were lost to your worship of magical molecules? F U.
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Yes kindredspirit, people make choices to use drugs or not. Unless the drug is forced on them by a psychiatrist. Psychiatry is addicted to prescribing and can not stop.
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Thanks Steve, for clarifying the disease definition.
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2007 article http://www.medsafe.govt.nz/profs/puarticles/clozgi.htm
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Monsters.
a better link to MIA https://www.madinamerica.com/2014/02/uk-mans-death-medication-side-effects-ruled-natural-causes/
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If with a MRI a scientist can prove damage to the brain, from constant or long term drug use, then it is a brain disease.
If the brain can not be distinguished from another brain, they are not “sick” enough. Pretty simple.https://d14rmgtrwzf5a.cloudfront.net/sites/default/files/images/colorbox/cocrrenabuser.jpg
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Children can not BE mentally ill. As mental illness is defined by behavior and children can not control their behavior as is why they are named children.
“Because the mental diseases that supposedly afflict children are undeniably misbehaviors, and because the child mental patient is in an even more helpless position than the adult mental patient, child psychiatry is a doubly problematic enterprise.” “Child psychology and child psychiatry cannot be reformed. They must be abolished.” Szasz
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ditto They Can’t Figure Out How To Poison
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And anyone locked up by psychiatry and helped/brainwashed/drugged ….
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Yes the psychiatrists are stupid to put people in jail BEFORE they have committed a crime. “In the one case, the psychiatrist “accuses” the innocent; in the other, he “excuses” the guilty.” Szasz
Then the psychiatrist expect insight in their “patient” or victim when they have just robbed the victim of their brain function with poisons-drugs. The patient can not speak from the poison.
http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110207/full/news.2011.75.html
https://davidhealy.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Richard-B-goes-Mad.pdf
You are not allowed to be stupid https://medicalhumour.wordpress.com/2012/09/07/you-cant-fix-stupid-but-you-can-sedate-it/
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I remember the insatiable thirst while being tied to the hospital bed. What do you remember of your psychiatric treatment?
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There is the start of a Schizophrenia list on Wikipedia. Most successful people do not want to be associated with witchcraft/schizophrenia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:People_with_schizophrenia
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65 MB download? How long a time duration is the audio? One hour?
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RE ” short term use of neuroleptics makes people ill” I agree but this is hard to prove. David Healy hosts the article “Unravelling madness” https://davidhealy.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Richard-B-goes-Mad.pdf
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In short, with the passage of time in jail and drugs, psychiatry can make people sick, as they have claimed the person is.
What would the world do with (unchained) undrugged psychiatric patients? Properly conditioned, most patients like their chains.
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Thank you for the article Philip Hickey.
If you compare the psychiatric drugs to chains, the persons that chains the slave will of course say the chains are helpful in controlling the behavior of the slave.
I found one error ” But psychiatry can’t turn non-illnesses into illnesses. ” under the heading “BUT… IS PSYCHIATRY REFORMABLE?”
I was diagnosed schizophrenic at age 19 I am now 49 and have rejected the psychiatric drugs as much as I can because I like my brain and think it functions fine.
Friends I have known since we were in hospital(jail) together when we were 19 (we made friends there) think that I am (now) a genius. In fact, I have average intelligence but I do accept their compliment.
They tell me I am smart because otherwise (if I was average) then they would be stupid, and no one wants to think of themselves as stupid. I wonder what their brain volumes would look like in a MRI scan after the thirty years of drugs they have consumed.
The long term use of psychiatric drugs does make illness in its subjects. The long term use of psychiatric drugs damage the brain, and when it does so it fulfills the prophesy of the psychiatrist that the person is ill.
If or when my friends discontinued the drugs over the thirty years they would have withdrawal symptoms. Symptoms like insomnia and “strange” thoughts. In addition they were never given/taught skills to handle their emotions of anger and such, so they always went back on the drugs. They were successfully taught to fear their emotions, that their emotions were diseases.
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thanks for the joke
“America has the best politicians money can buy.”
http://www.willrogerstoday.com/will_rogers_quotes/quotes.cfm?qID=4
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Very few understand that the psychiatric drugs affect the brain like the drug alcohol affects the brain to think/work.
Only God knows how responsible she was for her actions. With alcohol they do have a known limit of 0.05 grams (50 milligrams) of alcohol in every 100 millilitres of blood.
The pharmaceutical company drugs can only do “good” things to a persons brain according to the brainwashed public, and there is no one making billions in profits to be able to publish contrary information about the drugs.
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“ensure that foster children’s informed consent is obtained and documented.”
It is the crazy world of “it’s got electrolytes”/idiocracy 2006 film.
Children can not give ” informed consent “. They have no choice for one thing, for a second, children can not enter into legal agreements as they are under the age OF consent.
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Regarding samruck2
This is no longer medicine, but religion.
Bible Verses on Judging
http://www.biblestudytools.com/topical-verses/bible-verses-on-judging/
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“in the end we ALL have the right to decide whether or not we want to live or die.”
That IS correct.
If a person is STUPID enough to talk about suicide ( they don’t know “we ALL have the right to decide”) they should be locked up.
Flip your statement around.
“People need to openly talk about such thoughts without judgement or threat of incarceration in a hospital.”
to
“People need to openly talk about their thoughts about killing others without judgement or threat of incarceration.”
Does it make any sense?
http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/04/middleeast/al-qaeda-branch-yemen-united-states/index.html
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“Mark…. I hope you will reconsider your position.”
I can see no alternative. If person “A” threatens to kill person “B”, person “B” can complain to the police. If the police find sufficient evidence for the complaint, they can charge person “A”. Person “A” gets some kind of punishment.
If person “A” and person “B” are the same person , a person threatening suicide, bystanders and authority can not just watch and wait for the person to kill themselves.
Talk of suicide has to be put back in the closet where it belongs. If you talk of suicide you should get locked up. Jail-hospital interchangeable.
People have confused the feeling of despair with the action of suicide.
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Thank you Lauren Andersen, for trying to police the psychiatry system.
Myself , I think the worst part of being jailed (before I committed any crime) was the psychiatric drugs they call medicine.
Everyone in the system is being paid, whether they do good or bad, if they follow the rules or don’t follow the rules.
I, unlike others at MIA do believe in involuntary commitment, but with just cause , involving a genuine court hearing of evidence.
Those held in prison-hospital have to be given a reasonable method to get out of the prison ( imagine it was YOU mistakenly imprisoned!), and/or the punishment/treatment must fit the crime ( with the crime having occurred first, not after psychiatry).
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Uh what?
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schizophrenia is not a disease. How do you catch it? How do you die from it?
“schizophrenia” is the modern day equivalent of calling someone a witch . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salem_witch_trials
No way to scientifically prove (blood test, X-ray et cetera) you are, or are not a witch/schizophrenic.
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Regarding “….Allen Frances. Frances was the chair of the DSM-IV taskforce and has written extensively about ADHD overdiagnosis and overmedication of children.”
I disagree that the psychiatric drugs are medication. The children are not being over-medicated, but over-drugged.
In my generations time we obeyed authority out of fear due to the Patriarchy. Today fear can not be induced in the child due to the Matriarchy being in power. Most coercion today is done with drugs renamed as “medicine”.
Your (bad) choices are not your fault “We are helping you with medicine!”
What will be the outcome? http://eastloshigh.com/thesiren/sagging-pants/
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To protect the patient from hurting or killing themselves the obvious solution is to keep the patient/prisoner in hospital/jail .
The helpers now have scientific evidence now to support unlimited hospitalization/detention.
http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2879#comic
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In the animal kingdom, the rule is, eat or be eaten; in the human kingdom, define or be defined. – Thomas Szasz
If the defined person does not stay ill, they were misdiagnosed, a circular logic explanation of a fraudster.
A typical person does stay ill when poisoned on a daily basis. Poison voluntarily taken on the belief that it is medicine. How did the belief take place? Several months of being conditioned in a jail , the jailer calls a hospital.
If I don’t take my medicine I can’t sleep at night. If I don’t take my medicine I start having some strange thoughts.
http://psychrights.org/research/Digest/Effective/APAMonV31No2.htm
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To Richard D. Lewis, you wrote “by forcibly incarcerating and drugging”. The mass population believes in the mistake of a “brain chemical imbalance” and that the psychiatric drugs are medicine ( not drugs). This has to be changed.
Forcible incarceration can be justified as a mercy on someone whose emotions are larger than their rational logical mind.
An example of mercy is someone who proclaims (to many witnesses) they plan to kill themselves, the bystanders can not stand by and do nothing. If a person instead of suicide threats, threatens to kill someone else the can be charged with a crime.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offences_against_the_Person_Act_1861#Threats_to_kill
In the case of threatening someone else’s life, they do not give or force “medicine” on to this person, similarly they should not give or force “medicine” on to the person threatening suicide.
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Right the Quakers and such, but before mankind had cities(24 hour light), we did not have mental illness.
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Regarding a similar chart. I imagine NOT drugging the patient with poisons and waiting for “psychosis” to end naturally/ discussion of problem rationally/ physical problems discovered ( example. chronic lack of full sleep, B12 deficiency) and corrected.
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Even better evidence of quackery, the mortality rate was lower before medicine came to “help” in the year 1823. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignaz_Semmelweis#/media/File:Yearly_mortality_rates_1784-1849.png
Started washing hands in 1847, then seemed magicians with a new lower mortality rate, when they were causing the 20 years of disease in the first place.
I predict a similar chart would reflect the invention/ treatment of mental illness.
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Once the victim gets a “diagnosis” the sadists/demons get to torture the victim… and they get PAID to perform the torture service.
Dr. Thomas Story Kirkbride and any other doctor at the time were genuine quacks as medicine still had not found the four blood types and had not discovered penicillin.
“The germ theory of disease had not yet been accepted in Vienna.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignaz_Semmelweis
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When prisoners no longer worked for free , you mean.
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Regarding “sowing seeds of untruth”. It is they, the psychiatrists who are sowing the seed of fear (of the future). A fear of life without an antipsychotic/a magic pill. A life without a psychiatrist. But reason and logic come from a fully functioning brain not a drugged/medicated one.
Bible “A farmer went out to sow his seed. As he was sowing, some seeds fell along the path, and the birds came and devoured them. Some fell on rocky ground, where they did not have much soil. They sprang up quickly, because the soil was shallow. But when the sun rose, the seedlings were scorched, and they withered because they had no root. Other seeds fell among the thorns, which grew up and choked the seedlings. Still other seeds fell on good soil and produced a crop—a hundredfold, sixtyfold, or thirtyfold.”
How many successful psychiatric patients on antipsychotics VS psychiatric patients off of drugs?
Success being defined as employed and having children. All the other living creatures on the planet have offspring to be considered a success.
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I am now age 49. I was diagnosed seriously mentally ill at age 19. If I had taken the psychiatric drugs continuously I would be worse off today from the brain damage. Numerous studies show brain damage from psychiatric drugs. I and all mentally ill people need a fully functioning brain for reason, to be able to reason and communicate.
Any sane person knows you should not punish people before they commit a crime (those in authority image will happen), only after a crime. I never committed any crime to justify my drugging at age 19.
Thank you for criticizing the system Robert Whitaker.
Hopefully, in the future many peoples lives will be extended and they will become better functioning people. Not just slabs of living meat.
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“But the problem with them is that they still make the substance the enemy.”
Is the Devil/Satan a real physical object? as an enemy.
Or as a ally , was God really a burning bush appearing to Moses?
For people to have successful lives I think they can blame the physical substance. (correctly)
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“You make choices. Your genes don’t”
Sometime people make the wrong or bad choices. As no one is perfect.
During physical and mental withdrawal people hear the “devil” temp them to drink/use drugs again, and people naturally do fall to temptation.
How do you forgive yourself for your mistakes? Some can’t forgive so keep using the drug to cope, to feel better. (with their physical health declining from the poisonous effects of a foreign substance)
Blaming a substance is legitimate , as the person is not their true selves when their mind has been altered by the substance, or the damage to their cognitive ability.
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If a licensed doctor prescribed to a patient a substance that alters the patients mind in a wrong way (instead of the intended “right” way), who is responsible?
When I asked my psychiatrist this question-idea she called me “dangerous”.
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Roger Griggs, …. said, “There’s no way on God’s green earth we would ever promote stimulants directly to consumers”
The doctor and the pharmaceutical Co. accuse each other of doing the damage.
No God to lay judgement.
Will society self implode from all the children being harmed?
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Regarding “Allowing writers to turn off comments”
This would go with the supply and demand for new material for the website. If there is a lack of material for the website, yes I agree with allowing writers to turn off comments.
If comments are disabled on a post it is a reflection on the writer and no big deal in my opinion.
Keeping the website healthy is the most important thing as it is a place for disseminating alternate opinions and facts on the success of psychiatric treatments.
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Bruce Levine video. https://youtu.be/d-NXULCzhAg?t=42s
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Great article Joanna Moncrieff, thank you for the criticism of the May 5th paper by Donald Goff and others.
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Yes firstly it may be some kind of colorblindness or physical difference. Secondly, myself as a child wondered what those in authority would do when I told a harmless lie.
One time as a child I told a lie of the sink drain backing up and this bunch of dirt coming out. My mother went along with my fictional story , while my father got angry at the lie and said it was impossible for the dirt to back up. So I knew at that point who was going to confront a lie.
Perhaps these children who report red for green colors are not psychotic and are testing the intelligence of the adults?
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Unusual Beliefs and Behaviors vs. Objective Realities and Truths.
Who is crazy is relative. Who has the power to define reality?
The disenfranchised has to be able, and have the skill to repeat the lies of the powerful back to them.
A prison that is called a hospital because those in authority want it called a hospital, and for the family of the imprisoned to believe the loved one is getting medicinal treatment and not punishment.
Poisons voluntarily and involuntarily given/taken called medicine because otherwise psychiatry would be just a talking experience akin to a religion. And we can’t have a forced religion.
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The Big Pharma can milk the population for more money the longer they live, so it is in their interests to promote exercise.
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no no, it will be exercise WITH magical medication, and all the benefits coming from the exercise will be attributed to the magical medicine.
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A 1983 newspaper article http://fultonhistory.com/highlighter/highlight-for-xml?altUrl=http%3A%2F%2Ffultonhistory.com%2FNewspaper%252011%2FGeneva%2520NY%2520Finger%2520Lake%2520Times%2FGeneva%2520NY%2520Finger%2520Lake%2520Times%25201983%2520Nov%25201983%2FGeneva%2520NY%2520Finger%2520Lake%2520Times%25201983%2520Nov%25201983%2520-%25201220.pdf%23xml%3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Ffultonhistory.com%2FdtSearch%2Fdtisapi6.dll%3Fcmd%3Dgetpdfhits%26u%3D6166642c%26DocId%3D6407579%26Index%3DZ%253a%255cIndex%2520U%252dF%252dP%26HitCount%3D10%26hits%3D35%2Bad%2B260%2B2ba%2B331%2B348%2B37b%2B3bd%2B683%2B86c%2B%26SearchForm%3D%252fFulton%255fNew%255fform%252ehtml%26.pdf&uri=http%3A%2F%2Ffultonhistory.com%2FNewspaper%252011%2FGeneva%2520NY%2520Finger%2520Lake%2520Times%2FGeneva%2520NY%2520Finger%2520Lake%2520Times%25201983%2520Nov%25201983%2FGeneva%2520NY%2520Finger%2520Lake%2520Times%25201983%2520Nov%25201983%2520-%25201220.pdf&xml=http%3A%2F%2Ffultonhistory.com%2FdtSearch%2Fdtisapi6.dll%3Fcmd%3Dgetpdfhits%26u%3D6166642c%26DocId%3D6407579%26Index%3DZ%253a%255cIndex%2520U%252dF%252dP%26HitCount%3D10%26hits%3D35%2Bad%2B260%2B2ba%2B331%2B348%2B37b%2B3bd%2B683%2B86c%2B%26SearchForm%3D%252fFulton%255fNew%255fform%252ehtml%26.pdf&openFirstHlPage=false
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Morons at the website to have such an unflattering photo of Dr. Catherine Sarkisian January 6, 2016 on display. It looks like she is about to have a seizure in the (still) photo.
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You are not a scientist performing a legitimate experiment.
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Only your mommy and daddy might care. What do you want from a doctor? You want a drug dealer that will give you what you want.
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“acute need for medication” wrote Vlado C. May 1, 2017 at 6:32 pm
WTF? You purposely stayed awake to bring on a mania.
That is not something a responsible adult would do.
You are not a “patient” but a drug (ab) user and need a legitimate source for drugs. That is not medicine.
Prove you have some physical defect ( that you did not cause yourself) , then a doctor would be issuing medicine, otherwise it is legal drugs.
You write of wanting over the counter Ativan in anther post. If you do not know the withdrawal consequences from Ativan, then you are truly inexperienced in the mental health world.
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Poor response to electroshock https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16958303
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Asking doctors to find evidence of harm from electroshock in their patients is like asking the Tobacco industry to look for various cancers in people that use/buy their product. They do not want to stop selling a product/service.
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seizures don’t stop , no one writes of it. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/woman-died-after-nhs-electric-7540901
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heart stops often during electroshock. no one writes of it. http://www.ajgponline.org/article/S1064-7481(12)61031-8/abstract
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“Psychosis” is a bullshit word. What is psychosis? A conflicted inner dialogue? Written of in the bible.
Matthew 19:22 Jesus told him, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow Me.” When the young man heard this, he went away in sorrow, because he had great wealth.
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Psychotic dogs here. https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/animal-emotions/201209/why-dogs-hump
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A psychotic moose right here. http://www.snopes.com/photos/animals/moosemount.asp
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re”so what I get what 6 months in jail”
You will not be judged a criminal for violence but instead a dangerous mentally ill patient and poisoned ( they call medicine) for the rest of your life.
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A previous post on the end of psychiatry
https://www.madinamerica.com/2017/04/what-if-the-folly-is-in-us-too
” And if we stop calling them patients, are we ready to treat them as full citizens, make them face the consequences of their behavior like everyone else, including being hauled before a court if they break the law?”
You got it backwards. We first stop calling the psychiatric medicines , medicines. The chemicals psychiatry prescribes are just drugs, for there is no physical illness in the patient.
Then with no “medicines” to issue to your patient, who are you doctor? Are you a doctor? How do you differentiate yourself from a religious leader who also uses words to treat his congregation?
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I am sorry, I think you mistakenly posted your response in the wrong location. I do not know of Don Rinsley.
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Not a word on “medication” compliance in the writing. Where the slave/patient disagrees with the master/psychiatrist on what are poisons or medicines.
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Like asking police to police themselves, asking doctors to police other doctors, there is no one to enforce the Nuremberg code.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Lieberman#Criticism
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Normal people want to kill and such , as it is reflected in the number of video game sales of Grand Theft Auto. “Mass shootings” is what many wish do to one day when they “snap”.
Grand Theft Auto https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4jQ4lBwLkE
Grand Theft Auto 5 tops 75 million units shipped http://www.polygon.com/2017/2/7/14541254/gta-5-sales-75-million
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” And if we stop calling them patients, are we ready to treat them as full citizens, make them face the consequences of their behavior like everyone else, including being hauled before a court if they break the law?”
You got it backwards. We first stop calling the psychiatric medicines , medicines. The chemicals psychiatry prescribes are just drugs, for there is no physical illness in the patient.
Then with no “medicines” to issue to your patient, who are you doctor? Are you a doctor? How do you differentiate yourself from a religious leader who also uses words to treat his congregation?
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It is only now with science that it is proven there is nothing wrong with the “mad”. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Jansk%C3%BD
The insanity defense has to be removed from the law books everywhere.
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A Piano Lesson
“Under my tutelage, you will play the piano better than Rachmaninov himself.”
“But you have cut off my hands.”
“This is a very good quality piano, and I would like you to play it now.”
“I can’t play it because you have cut off my hands.”
More at
http://web.archive.org/web/20070819163127/http://trick-cyclingforbeginners.blogspot.com:80/2007/04/piano-lesson.html
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Or “Study Explores Cognitive Effects of a lobotomy”
“the more antipsychotics patients receive, the more likely they are to have a decreased amount of grey matter.” http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110207/full/news.2011.75.html
Cutting the legs off a frog, then surprised when the frog doesn’t jump any more, or reattaching the legs then wondering why the frog doesn’t jump like it did .
Those in power are insane.
They have to prove a deficit or imbalance in brain chemicals to justify the addition of a drug to a healthy patient, and they can not.
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I’m feeling hungry so I’m going to jump off a cliff. I’m feeling my colon is full so I’m going to jump off a cliff.
NO I prepare some food if I feel hungry. NO , I go to the toilet if my colon is full.
No one can feel suicidal.
People feel hopeless/lonely and think of the complex action of suicide as a solution. Who taught them this?
There is a STEP between feeling, and the action of suicide. They are NOT one and the same thing. http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/one-and-the-same
How many of these people “feeling suicidal” are having pleasurable sex?
I know many are eating too much food as a solution to feeling bad. https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/adult.html
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One of the signs “They’re sleeping too much or too little.”
This is a joke right? Tell me this is a joke.
“This porridge is too hot!” she exclaimed. So, she tasted the porridge from the second bowl.
“This porridge is too cold,” she said. So, she tasted the last bowl of porridge.
“Ahhh, this porridge is just right,” she said happily and she ate it all up.” The Story of Goldilocks and the Three Bears
You do know both the boys and girls are becoming capable of reproduction from a massive increase of hormones.
Making the boys girls? and vice versa making the girls boys, so everyone is equal. Everyone has to be equal.
testosterone production in male http://www.mhhe.com/socscience/sex/common/ibank/ibank/0088.jpg
Becoming an adult is now a disease.
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Big brain vs small brain as an illness is stupid, because the description of big or small does not specify which brain works better.
How tiny is a fruit fly’s brain and look at what it can do. http://www.futurity.org/fruit-flys-tiny-brain-finds-food-well/
In the case of a heart, an enlarged heart is a bad thing. Where metaphorically to have a big heart is a good thing.
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/big-hearted
VS
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardiomegaly
No behavior or misbehavior is a disease. http://biologicaldentalhealth.com/video-no-behavior-or-misbehavior-is-a-disease-or-can-be-a-disease/
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At the article there are comments , and the top comment is that Scientologists are a reference source.
People really hate the Scientologists.
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Reading in dim light hurts your eyes.
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Masturbation will make you go blind!
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A better link
“Once diagnosed, never undiagnosed. But once diagnosed, not always symptomatic.”
https://web.archive.org/web/20120626011756/http://www.furiousseasons.com/archives/2007/12/once_diagnosed_never_undiagnosed.html
“What’s the point of treatment and going through years of agony and finally getting vastly better only to be told that there is no goal line I can possibly cross that will lead to me being undiagnosed?”
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Dead beat club song by B52 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KyhesAa-DA
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As a schizophrenic, what do I want a job for? whats the point? F that sht
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Regarding “drug, drug, drug mentality of so many of the people in the mental health services business” it is a religious belief in magical chemicals to make people “good” instead of “bad”. Doing something bad? He/she must be off their medication.
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Constipation can make anyone feel badly, lead to a short temper, depression, and impact appetite/enjoyment of food . The psychiatric drugs that are designed to interfere with brain biochemistry also interfere with the stomach/colon biochemistry.
“Most of my patients have a very good understanding that there is a close connection between their emotions and their guts. But there are still very few neuroscientists who understand the complexity of this enteric nervous system and its links to the brain.” https://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/201111/your-backup-brain
“20 reports of serious gastrointestinal adverse effects resembling obstruction, three of which were fatal.”/”Death from clozapine-induced constipation prompts warning” http://www.pharmaceutical-journal.com/news-and-analysis/news/death-from-clozapine-induced-constipation-prompts-warning/11100557.article
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I request the date and those responsible for the study of gluten and 36 mentally ill persons. I have heard this story many times but do not have the documented proof to reference to others who disbelieve.
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Psychs are not insane in that they get paid for their actions, actions of drugging people and calling it medicine. The money in which the charlatans get paid in to do their work, does not really exist.
Mankind for inventing and believing in money is insane.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfGMYdalClU
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Well a 50 % chance at least, which is pretty good odds. Proof here “The percentages of antipsychotic-treated older adults with long-term use were 53.7% (70–74 years), 49.2% (75–79 years), and 46.2% (80–84 years). ” http://www.psychiatrist.com/jcp/article/Pages/2015/v76n10/v76n1021.aspx
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The torturers will be tortured themselves one day.
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A cartoon on attacking the Dragon of Psychiatry. http://www.boredpanda.com/inktober-dragons-brian-kesinger/?media_id=734982
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Thanks for commenting on my comment , so I know I am not alone.
“would not disagree” is much better as “wouldn’t disagree”
“Ek stem nie nié met jou saam nie. (“I don’t not agree with you,” i.e., I agree with you.)”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_negative#Germanic_languages
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Regarding “dissolving psychiatry as a profession”. The profession of psychiatry can never be dissolved as long as the law requires the accused to be “sane” at the time of the incident, presently and understand the charges against them. If both the prosecutor and defense attorney agree before a trial that the defendant is insane ( found not to be criminally responsible), the accused goes to a psychiatric prison rather than a criminal prison.
I would say until the law changes , until court cases are based on the facts of evidence first Who, What, Where, How, then the reasons WHY the crime occurred are asked second, the profession of psychiatry is secure.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Tim_McLean
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Great news!
Regarding “unless it can take on more difficult patients too” is it a prison or a hospital? Is the patient/prisoner angry or psychotic? Those in authority call the persons behaviour psychosis instead of anger and drug them silent in their prison they call a hospital.
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what are they laughing at us for? the specific reason? they are making money from the diploma or whatever credentials they have. With this job they have in mental health they have money to spend, spend as they wish.
What are you fighting against? Forced drugging? You are not following orders?
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That is a hilarious picture, the wig on top of the MRI brain scan.
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The only function of a psychiatrist is to drug the patient.
Anger at psychiatry can be converted to comedy/humor with imagination.
Voluntarily taking a poison/medicine every day makes some one humble. If a person consciously stays humble (every day) by remembering the mistakes they performed in the past they do not need the symbolic act of taking a poison.
Psychiatry never forgives, they write the mistakes all down on paper, where a broken leg diagnosis is a broken leg diagnosis forever.
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” Szasz.
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Regarding the drugs/meds, you will get better , in the same way as a weightlifter gets better when lifting weights. Through repetition you will become better.
I say this as I , at age 19, was forced/given powerful antipsychotic drugs for several years (off and on) and today at 49 am doing okay. I have the gift of sight , the ability to hear, the ability to walk and talk.
If you keep looking at the negative, the negative will be apparent , so look for the good things. Similarly to the advice of when you drive, look at the road you want to take, not the tree on the side of the road you fear you will hit.
Or looking for the problem , can make the problem happen.
The character Neo knocks over the vase. https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-8254c23366b3a6827beb96a1f19f9368
Looking for the solution , can make the solution happen. http://www.nbcnews.com/id/9576387/ns/health-health_care/t/two-australians-win-nobel-prize-medicine/#.WNEZcme1t0g
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Thanks for writing this piece, sharing the information you have.
Regarding “What do I tell a family whose child comes to see me…”
Myself, I do not believe in giving/forcing drugs (others call medicine) to children, as in “no behaviour or misbehaviour is a disease” . T. Szasz.
I don’t know how anesthesiologists can justify their actions on a patient before electroshock, but they have some rational.
Do whatever your conscious lets you live with, but you shouldn’t take advice from an un-“medicated” schizophrenic.
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Asking those damaged by psychiatry to fight psychiatry is like asking landmine victims to walk in a march/protest against landmines.
Landmine victims march
http://www.baltimoresun.com/bal-reu-nicaragua-20100818184955-photo.html
Those that survive psychiatry often have emotional defects as well as intellectual defects that prevent them from both employment and organizing against those that damaged them.
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“You know how many books and websites are promoted on mad in America.”
So its bad if someone is trying to sell a book against selling drugs-for-life, but it is okay that the drugs make billions in revenue for Pharma company. Right.
Dr. Allen Frances stated 39 Billion dollars being made a year by Pharma Companies.
Mad in America Film Festival Panel. Running time 48:04. The time of speaking is at 5:55. Date (video) Published on Oct 24, 2014 . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcqWa2r6bOA&feature=youtu.be&t=5m55s
$18 Billion dollars a year in antipsychotics. Source (I disagree with forcing physically healthy people to consume drugs, but the link states billion dollar numbers) http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/25/health/a-call-for-caution-in-the-use-of-antipsychotic-drugs.html
$11 Billion dollars a year in antidepressants. http://www.apa.org/monitor/2012/06/prescribing.aspx
$10 Billion dollars a year in stimulant drugs. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/15/health/the-selling-of-attention-deficit-disorder.html?pagewanted=all
Including tranquilizer drugs benzodiazepines/klonopin/diazepam/Valium/Xanax, its higher.
In the 1970’s it was barely a 1 Billion dollar market. https://books.google.ca/books?id=2DFLI2ib-1oC&lpg=PA43&ots=HEQREreIFM&dq=sales%20of%20tranquilizer%20drugs&pg=PA43#v=onepage&q=sales%20of%20tranquilizer%20drugs&f=false
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If the drug comes from a doctor(prescription+pharmacist) it magically becomes a medicine.
I as a “schizophrenic” must take a fictional cure, (a medicine to the doctor, a poison from my perspective) , for my fictional illness if authority deems it necessary.
“Formerly, when religion was strong and science weak, men mistook magic for medicine; now, when science is strong and religion weak, men mistake medicine for magic. Thomas Szasz”
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A drug is a luxury you don’t truly need to live.
A medicine is a necessary treatment for a real (physical) disease.
A medicine has a start and finish date, a drug does not have a finish date.
A good clue that it is a drug , is if they give free samples.
Just like the old dope peddler.
“He gives the kids free samples
Because he knows full well
That today’s young innocent faces
Will be tomorrow’s clientele”
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whats the difference between a drug and a medicine?
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” a guy who ha experienced severe mental health sickness.”
I got that also. But, Where did it/does it come from? and do drugs make it worse?
Alcohol or crack do help people for a time, but the person was not lacking in alcohol or crack in their brain.
what is the “biological component ” in plain English?
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giving someone depression http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199905133401905?ck=nck#t=article
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First a success , Then a failure.
Sheila Cook, 62, http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/8279576/British-woman-cured-of-deep-depression-by-pioneering-surgery.html
” This (DeepBrainStimulation) worked for a month or two but soon the suicidal thoughts returned.
In February 2010, Mrs Cook was asked if she would trial an even newer form of treatment – Anterior Cingulotomy (GTAC) that involved burning out connections in the brain that were too active. ”
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First a success , Then a failure.
Chantal Remeny alive in 2006 thanks to successful DBS.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/the-on-switch/article18161067/
Chantal Remeny dead in 2009
http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/thestar/obituary.aspx?n=chantal-remeny&pid=125450309
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“Rob Matte had to have the procedure (DBS) done a second time after the first caused such a severe infection that doctors put him on an antibiotic drip for eight months. ” http://www.newsweek.com/health-corners-mind-114671
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and of course Mad in Americas article by Danielle Egan
https://www.madinamerica.com/2015/09/adverse-effects-perils-deep-brain-stimulation-depression/
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The photo of the rat with wires coming out of its head could have been from 1950.
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Sorry you got needled/stuck(?) and administered a mind altering drug. The psych drugs could kill some one, but the person/patient/prisoner officially would not die from the drug, as the magical drugs can only do “good” things to a human being.
“neuroleptic malignant syndrome (NMS)” is one of the official descriptions.
My advice in such a situation where the police show up to the inconsequential action of taking down of a flyer, is to LIE to the police and say “No I did not take down the flyer. What are you talking about?” The onus( the burden) is then on the accuser to prove you did something wrong or criminal.
One of the signs of “sanity” is the ability to lie, if you can not lie it means you are insane.
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re”why is there no concerted effort to stop their(drugs) use? ”
Those in power do not want to hear their victims screaming, and do not want their victims to have the ability to fight back.
“Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.” wrote George Orwell.
This comic below is WRONG in that “health advocates” AKA psychiatrists DO have legislative powers.
http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2879#comic
And the drugged mentally ill have, on average a 25 year shorter life, AND brain shrinkage from the “medicine”. BUT the brain shrinkage is a GOOD thing. “decreasing brain volume could also be responsible for the beneficial effects of the drugs” http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110207/full/news.2011.75.html
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Who is the mad one?
They put people in prisons that they say are not prisons.
Mary Barnes” she painted the walls with her own faeces until they gave her paint to use instead.”
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Dr David Healy, when you write of the history of psychiatry why do you not include hysteria (female) and the treatment for it?
“In medical journals of the early 1800’s, doctors lamented that treating hysterics taxed their physical endurance.” https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/all-about-sex/201303/hysteria-and-the-strange-history-vibrators
Then paroxysms produced by electricity instead of vibration, an even quicker method.
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“locked in a strange room. What if halfway through their trip they were given drugs that numb the mind and make it difficult to think or move clearly?”
This would make any sane person angry. Then they call the anger in the person “psychosis” and re-drug the “patient” for life for not liking the medical help, as the drugs stop ANGER in the patient.
Also the family of the patient/victim will not know or understand the experience of imprisonment and drugging, so will believe the allegations of insanity in the patient/victim, for the amount of anger in their loved one. And ANGER in the mentally ill must be drugged silent, don’t you know mentally ill people are dangerous?
A sweet system and set up of money for life for the Pharma Co. and fraudulent doctors.
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I have suffered the same effects of Haldol as your father. I’m sorry for your loss.
That the drug gets to be called a “medicine” is criminal. In time , people can recover from the drugs.
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Selling and buying, who is selling and who is buying?
Looking at the research, Iceland has the largest consumption of antidepressants , nearly 1 in to 10 people.
Figure 10.11 http://www.keepeek.com/Digital-Asset-Management/oecd/social-issues-migration-health/health-at-a-glance-2015_health_glance-2015-en#page186
Exploiting peoples hope for a cure, just like when they sold https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snake_oil
“quacks had fake cures for real diseases; now, they claim…” Szasz
https://books.google.ca/books?id=KfU7AQAAQBAJ&lpg=PA98&ots=iO_0jEPPeH&dq=szasz%20fake%20cures%20for%20real%20diseases&pg=PA98#v=onepage&q=szasz%20fake%20cures%20for%20real%20diseases&f=false
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Before chronicity there is no evidence of a brain disease in addiction, but after some time of use, the brain changes and the changes can be seen on today’s technology.
The sin of gluttony has been treated with success , with 7 Types of Weight Loss Surgery http://www.bariatric-surgery-source.com/types-of-bariatric-surgery.html
Whose problem is the addiction? Those who have to pay the cost.
Those addicts who want to quit should be helped to quit, not punished further. Only in forgiveness can an addict reform. Giving addiction a disease designation can stop the guilt that addicts feel for succumbing to their bodies urges for drugs, as the bad feeling of guilt leads to MORE drug use.
After the addicts brain changes back to “normal” after it heals, they would no longer have the disease, and it would be up to freewill once again.
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“not very rare ” = often
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Double negative “would not disagree”. ? = would agree
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To recover after psychiatric drugs, the person has to look after themselves and (self) moderate their mood from the inside, unlike the moderation that came/comes from the outside in the form of drugs (by force or willingly).
You wrote “When seroquel was prescribed she got better”
You conveniently leave out the details.
What was wrong with her that seroquel was prescribed? How do you define “got better”? Would she define herself as “got better”? I think not. That was not medicine.
The seroquel medicating/drugging is equivalent to hiding the problem( unresolved emotions-thoughts). Like hiding dirt, by sweeping it under a rug. After a time, you can no long hide dirt under the rug due to the quantity of dirt.
“After quitting the medication,”The slave has revolted, took off the chains. If the slave is disobedient to authority , those in power will force the chains back on.
Cognitive decline will happen to all of us, given enough time.
Senility and physical disability will occur, making the person dependent on those around them for support/help until the person dies.
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Treatment? What is treatment? “medication adherence”
You do want poison, or you don’t want poison? You do? Oh that makes you a “good” patient.
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Regarding “can it last for months?” yes. You are telling us from age 52 to 62 your mom took seroquel?
If your mother can not look after herself, as in pay the bills, get groceries and feed herself, keep herself, clothing and living area clean, then some one must be in charge of her. The person in charge wants the person under them to follow orders, and sometimes psychiatric drugs can dampen the subordinates/slaves fight or disobedience.
Aggression can come from feeling pain, as in anger usually has a reason. Where can pain come from? The feeling of hunger and the opposite , the feeling of constipation.
If a person displays anger from either feeling, they get more psychiatric medication/drugs for their bad behaviour. ( but the drugs affect the nerves in the intestine/colon/stomach the same as they affect the brain, so it is an endless cycle of drugging)
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A person has to get caught in their bad behaviour apparently, if their own consciousness lets them live with themselves.
You are not an alcoholic if you do not suffer from the distress and impairment required to diagnose mental disorder.?
You are not a Kleptomanic if you do not suffer from the distress and impairment required to diagnose mental disorder.?
Not a pyromanic if you do not suffer from the distress and impairment required to diagnose mental disorder.?
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There used to be this thing called religion. People would pray to their God, or Gods for their worries and problems.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greek_religion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_ancient_Rome
Worry is a modern luxury as before penicillin , death from disease was a common event.
P.S. I got an irritating pop up with a near invisible “close” option on the link in the article.
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Monica , I wish you a belated Happy Birthday. I knew it was coming but I had no way to give you a Happy Birthday wish . Thanks for posting.
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People believe psychiatry is a science, not just another way to judge people. Mixing up moral and criminal behaviour ““He who is without sin among you, let him throw a stone at her first.” https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+8&version=NKJV
Trumps action are either legal or illegal. This is what people should focus on. Do you not remember Trumps accusation of Hillary? https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/politics/100000004701741/trump-to-clinton-youd-be-in-jail.html
Three fingers pointing back https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/8f/71/b5/8f71b596d70d8e9fe26cdc17eb19aee7.jpg
P.S. The psychiatrists are crazy themselves when they say a prison is not a prison, it is a hospital ( people can’t leave), the drugs they issue are not drugs, they are medicine( there is nothing physically wrong in the patient for the drugs to affect).
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You wrote “Lobotomies were still being performed in Ms. Reynolds’ time but are unthinkable now.”
In hundreds of thousands , lobotomies still go on every day with the slow brain shrinkage from psychiatric drugs. http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110207/full/news.2011.75.html
In a few hundred, quick lobotomies are still performed, and we still have electroshock brain damage. “Gamma Knife at Rhode Island Hospital ” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwoMvc_CNBE
“the eradication of stigma.”
Stigma? What is a person most precious thing? Their freedom. What does/can a psychiatrist do? Lock someone up for their diseased mind. “My terrifying – and valuable – time in a psychiatric ward” https://www.timeshighereducation.com/features/my-terrifying-and-valuable-time-in-a-psychiatric-ward . Is stigma justifiable?
“Like most who have been though the mill and exited the other side,”
Keeping ones “Mental health” is never over, you never know what is around the corner.
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